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Consistently as in many successful campaigns is what was required but just as boom and bust let's play the roller coaster
Hands face space
The virus has NOT changed
Its rules have not changed
Simple
Don't touch anything you can't imidiatly clean hands from
Don't go within 3 m of anyone
Treat everyone oneself and every surface as contaminated and know and understand how to function with that assumption
And no family must mix with its elders
Follow those rules it will be controlled don't it won't
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"I don't really think I need to say more It was the month before Xmas It was predictable Hard lock down now is just too late Its more a lip service rabbit headlights hope than actually anything practical or effective But hey how as the daily increases caused 3 vweeks ago occur let's be short sighted and pretend we can halt them
Consistently as in many successful campaigns is what was required but just as boom and bust let's play the roller coaster
Hands face space
The virus has NOT changed
Its rules have not changed
Simple
Don't touch anything you can't imidiatly clean hands from
Don't go within 3 m of anyone
Treat everyone oneself and every surface as contaminated and know and understand how to function with that assumption
And no family must mix with its elders
Follow those rules it will be controlled don't it won't
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"I *have* to mix with my parents. " There's provision for this in the rules and if you're keeping other interactions to a minimum, it's the best you can do. Dad is in our bubble but I'm discouraging him from trying to visit (because it involves trains) and am checking in with online deliveries etc. He cancelled the last Tesco order I selected because "he wanted to go out" so he went on the bloody bus  | |||
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"I *have* to mix with my parents. There's provision for this in the rules and if you're keeping other interactions to a minimum, it's the best you can do. Dad is in our bubble but I'm discouraging him from trying to visit (because it involves trains) and am checking in with online deliveries etc. He cancelled the last Tesco order I selected because "he wanted to go out" so he went on the bloody bus "The tone of the op is that unless all the rules stated are followed by everyone the virus won't be controlled. I'm probably hyper sensitive about to be fair to all concerned  . I know the rules allow for me to see them but it puts enormous pressure on.
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"I *have* to mix with my parents. " Then it will spread sorry | |||
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"I *have* to mix with my parents. There's provision for this in the rules and if you're keeping other interactions to a minimum, it's the best you can do. Dad is in our bubble but I'm discouraging him from trying to visit (because it involves trains) and am checking in with online deliveries etc. He cancelled the last Tesco order I selected because "he wanted to go out" so he went on the bloody bus "No sorry the rules you refer are the human hope and guess and pretend rules The virus has simple rules It seems so many " must " need can't avoid Infact I agree and empathise sadly mr sarrs 2 does not care | |||
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"I *have* to mix with my parents. Then it will spread sorry "What's the alternative? Leave her 90yo parents to die/starve etc?! Sending care workers in is worse because they have to visit multiple individuals and potentially work for multiple employers and so are exposed to a huge range of people. Nicecouple do the right thing. | |||
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"I *have* to mix with my parents. There's provision for this in the rules and if you're keeping other interactions to a minimum, it's the best you can do. Dad is in our bubble but I'm discouraging him from trying to visit (because it involves trains) and am checking in with online deliveries etc. He cancelled the last Tesco order I selected because "he wanted to go out" so he went on the bloody bus "Bubbles are human rules They help the spread Cov sars 2 absolutely loves bubbles | |||
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"I *have* to mix with my parents. Then it will spread sorry "As someone who strictly follows the rules and bubble rules also, it does not always work perfectly. Take the other night for instance. My gran got home from hospital on friday after a shoulder op. That night, she fell out of bed and my mum went down to sort her out, as she is her carer. Due to the recent operation, lifting her was a 2 man job and even then was not easy at all. Certainly couldnt have been done and still maintain a 2m distance and follow bubble rules. Not everything is black and white OP | |||
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"I *have* to mix with my parents. There's provision for this in the rules and if you're keeping other interactions to a minimum, it's the best you can do. Dad is in our bubble but I'm discouraging him from trying to visit (because it involves trains) and am checking in with online deliveries etc. He cancelled the last Tesco order I selected because "he wanted to go out" so he went on the bloody bus
No sorry the rules you refer are the human hope and guess and pretend rules
The virus has simple rules
It seems so many " must " need can't avoid
Infact I agree and empathise sadly mr sarrs 2 does not care
"Sensual, this makes no sense. My 81yo father who lives alone and no longer drives, who lives over 1hr drive from us - I am DISCOURAGING him from visiting us (his bubble). That means he's staying at home alone. His dementia is worsening though. HE has unilaterally decided to go out to Tesco, when he could have had online deliveries. I can't control that and am trying to do the right thing. Unfortunately I cannot prevent my father from doing his own thing. | |||
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"I *have* to mix with my parents. Then it will spread sorry "I know that. I know that the virus isn't sentient, reasonable or logical. I've been realistic about it for some time | |||
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"I *have* to mix with my parents. Then it will spread sorry
What's the alternative? Leave her 90yo parents to die/starve etc?! Sending care workers in is worse because they have to visit multiple individuals and potentially work for multiple employers and so are exposed to a huge range of people. Nicecouple do the right thing."The alternative is to absolutely know that while people meet their parents regardless of justification cov sars 2 will be most happy | |||
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"I *have* to mix with my parents. There's provision for this in the rules and if you're keeping other interactions to a minimum, it's the best you can do. Dad is in our bubble but I'm discouraging him from trying to visit (because it involves trains) and am checking in with online deliveries etc. He cancelled the last Tesco order I selected because "he wanted to go out" so he went on the bloody bus
Bubbles are human rules
They help the spread
Cov sars 2 absolutely loves bubbles
"Which bit of "discouraging him from visiting" isn't clear? I cannot stop him getting on a train (two actually) and turning up on my doorstep, however. | |||
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"I *have* to mix with my parents. Then it will spread sorry
I know that.
I know that the virus isn't sentient, reasonable or logical.
I've been realistic about it for some time"I don't say you should not | |||
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"I *have* to mix with my parents. Then it will spread sorry
What's the alternative? Leave her 90yo parents to die/starve etc?! Sending care workers in is worse because they have to visit multiple individuals and potentially work for multiple employers and so are exposed to a huge range of people. Nicecouple do the right thing.
The alternative is to absolutely know that while people meet their parents regardless of justification cov sars 2 will be most happy
"Ok. Nicecouple - you should leave your ailing mother to just fend for herself, obviously | |||
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"I *have* to mix with my parents. There's provision for this in the rules and if you're keeping other interactions to a minimum, it's the best you can do. Dad is in our bubble but I'm discouraging him from trying to visit (because it involves trains) and am checking in with online deliveries etc. He cancelled the last Tesco order I selected because "he wanted to go out" so he went on the bloody bus
Bubbles are human rules
They help the spread
Cov sars 2 absolutely loves bubbles
Which bit of "discouraging him from visiting" isn't clear? I cannot stop him getting on a train (two actually) and turning up on my doorstep, however."Perfectly clear and understandable Many sadly think bubbles are safe | |||
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"I *have* to mix with my parents. Then it will spread sorry
I know that.
I know that the virus isn't sentient, reasonable or logical.
I've been realistic about it for some time
I don't say you should not
"I know. I understand what you're saying, it's why I say I'm realistic. I know that unless we leave people to die alone in their homes people like me have to accept the grim reality of this. | |||
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"I *have* to mix with my parents. Then it will spread sorry
What's the alternative? Leave her 90yo parents to die/starve etc?! Sending care workers in is worse because they have to visit multiple individuals and potentially work for multiple employers and so are exposed to a huge range of people. Nicecouple do the right thing.
The alternative is to absolutely know that while people meet their parents regardless of justification cov sars 2 will be most happy
Ok. Nicecouple - you should leave your ailing mother to just fend for herself, obviously "Not my opinion x
But it will both perpetuate the virus and kill
I just don't think the forums the media or the government are being brutally honest enough pretending human rules count
Look at the silly local travel thread
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"I *have* to mix with my parents. Then it will spread sorry
What's the alternative? Leave her 90yo parents to die/starve etc?! Sending care workers in is worse because they have to visit multiple individuals and potentially work for multiple employers and so are exposed to a huge range of people. Nicecouple do the right thing.
The alternative is to absolutely know that while people meet their parents regardless of justification cov sars 2 will be most happy
Ok. Nicecouple - you should leave your ailing mother to just fend for herself, obviously ", that'll never happen but I do accept that the virus doesn't know whether I'm making an essential journey or just going to an orgy. | |||
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"I *have* to mix with my parents. Then it will spread sorry
What's the alternative? Leave her 90yo parents to die/starve etc?! Sending care workers in is worse because they have to visit multiple individuals and potentially work for multiple employers and so are exposed to a huge range of people. Nicecouple do the right thing.
The alternative is to absolutely know that while people meet their parents regardless of justification cov sars 2 will be most happy
Ok. Nicecouple - you should leave your ailing mother to just fend for herself, obviously
, that'll never happen but I do accept that the virus doesn't know whether I'm making an essential journey or just going to an orgy. "possibly the best thing written on this subject ever.. you won the Internet today d | |||
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"I *have* to mix with my parents. Then it will spread sorry
What's the alternative? Leave her 90yo parents to die/starve etc?! Sending care workers in is worse because they have to visit multiple individuals and potentially work for multiple employers and so are exposed to a huge range of people. Nicecouple do the right thing.
The alternative is to absolutely know that while people meet their parents regardless of justification cov sars 2 will be most happy
Ok. Nicecouple - you should leave your ailing mother to just fend for herself, obviously
, that'll never happen but I do accept that the virus doesn't know whether I'm making an essential journey or just going to an orgy. "I'd like to think an orgy would involve more people than just going to your parents | |||
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"its this hard line people rebel against and make it even worse. my mum is slowly going insane on her own, missing her grand kids and forgetting their names. So many old people rotting their last days a way with no life to speak of pearing out of cafes like animals in a zoo... at least animals get put down occasionally to put them out of misery d" Yeah, my Dad's dementia has got a lot worse. I had to go and retrieve him from Worcester back in July because he got himself lost. Over 3hrs from home | |||
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"I don't really think I need to say more It was the month before Xmas It was predictable Hard lock down now is just too late Its more a lip service rabbit headlights hope than actually anything practical or effective But hey how as the daily increases caused 3 vweeks ago occur let's be short sighted and pretend we can halt them
Consistently as in many successful campaigns is what was required but just as boom and bust let's play the roller coaster
Hands face space
The virus has NOT changed
Its rules have not changed
Simple
Don't touch anything you can't imidiatly clean hands from
Don't go within 3 m of anyone
Treat everyone oneself and every surface as contaminated and know and understand how to function with that assumption
And no family must mix with its elders
Follow those rules it will be controlled don't it won't
"I take it you dont go to work then. And dont get any thing from a shop. as the people in the shop go to work. and you would not go to hospital as you would not want the staff to travel or mix. | |||
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"I *have* to mix with my parents. Then it will spread sorry
What's the alternative? Leave her 90yo parents to die/starve etc?! Sending care workers in is worse because they have to visit multiple individuals and potentially work for multiple employers and so are exposed to a huge range of people. Nicecouple do the right thing.
The alternative is to absolutely know that while people meet their parents regardless of justification cov sars 2 will be most happy
Ok. Nicecouple - you should leave your ailing mother to just fend for herself, obviously
, that'll never happen but I do accept that the virus doesn't know whether I'm making an essential journey or just going to an orgy.
possibly the best thing written on this subject ever.. you won the Internet today
d"Exactly most poignant
The sad fact is out of the 1000 000 others who all absolutely must look after their mother after the mixing before Xmas hundreds will be a symptomatic pass it onto mum who will either die or traumatise and overwhelm NHS staf
We can pretend having a Costa coffee is the cause and demonise them all we want use all the guilt trip words we want however cov sarrs 2 does not care it knows how it need to kill its victims and how to get there
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"I *have* to mix with my parents. Then it will spread sorry
What's the alternative? Leave her 90yo parents to die/starve etc?! Sending care workers in is worse because they have to visit multiple individuals and potentially work for multiple employers and so are exposed to a huge range of people. Nicecouple do the right thing.
The alternative is to absolutely know that while people meet their parents regardless of justification cov sars 2 will be most happy
Ok. Nicecouple - you should leave your ailing mother to just fend for herself, obviously
, that'll never happen but I do accept that the virus doesn't know whether I'm making an essential journey or just going to an orgy.
possibly the best thing written on this subject ever.. you won the Internet today
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"I don't really think I need to say more It was the month before Xmas It was predictable Hard lock down now is just too late Its more a lip service rabbit headlights hope than actually anything practical or effective But hey how as the daily increases caused 3 vweeks ago occur let's be short sighted and pretend we can halt them
Consistently as in many successful campaigns is what was required but just as boom and bust let's play the roller coaster
Hands face space
The virus has NOT changed
Its rules have not changed
Simple
Don't touch anything you can't imidiatly clean hands from
Don't go within 3 m of anyone
Treat everyone oneself and every surface as contaminated and know and understand how to function with that assumption
And no family must mix with its elders
Follow those rules it will be controlled don't it won't
I take it you dont go to work then.
And dont get any thing from a shop.
as the people in the shop go to work.
and you would not go to hospital as you would not want the staff to travel or mix.
"Part of my job is health and safety I often deal with stuff that dissolves the lungs I have protocols I follow active management and a modulated approach First thing I NEED to do first is know the risk and not side step it Keep space Can't won't don't want to it will spread Touch and clean immediately Can't won't don't want to Fine it will spread | |||
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"I *have* to mix with my parents. Then it will spread sorry
What's the alternative? Leave her 90yo parents to die/starve etc?! Sending care workers in is worse because they have to visit multiple individuals and potentially work for multiple employers and so are exposed to a huge range of people. Nicecouple do the right thing.
The alternative is to absolutely know that while people meet their parents regardless of justification cov sars 2 will be most happy
Ok. Nicecouple - you should leave your ailing mother to just fend for herself, obviously
, that'll never happen but I do accept that the virus doesn't know whether I'm making an essential journey or just going to an orgy.
possibly the best thing written on this subject ever.. you won the Internet today
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Exactly most poignant
The sad fact is out of the 1000 000 others who all absolutely must look after their mother after the mixing before Xmas hundreds will be a symptomatic pass it onto mum who will either die or traumatise and overwhelm NHS staf
We can pretend having a Costa coffee is the cause and demonise them all we want use all the guilt trip words we want however cov sarrs 2 does not care it knows how it need to kill its victims and how to get there
"Yep. That's why I wish all the finger pointing would stop. | |||
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"I *have* to mix with my parents. Then it will spread sorry
What's the alternative? Leave her 90yo parents to die/starve etc?! Sending care workers in is worse because they have to visit multiple individuals and potentially work for multiple employers and so are exposed to a huge range of people. Nicecouple do the right thing.
The alternative is to absolutely know that while people meet their parents regardless of justification cov sars 2 will be most happy
Ok. Nicecouple - you should leave your ailing mother to just fend for herself, obviously
, that'll never happen but I do accept that the virus doesn't know whether I'm making an essential journey or just going to an orgy.
I'd like to think an orgy would involve more people than just going to your parents "Me too | |||
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"Sensual, how do you propose we care for people who cannot care for themselves? Old people, disabled people, people fresh out of hospital etc? Employing external carers is just as risky and arguably more so. Do we leave our elders/disabled/sick to starve and die in their beds? " You misundetand me I don't say you should not I'm saying it needs to be accepted if we do not nothing else done will prevent the deaths
I may also suggest after 9 months
Those who might know could indeed give a slightly more comprehensive and safe protocol for people to interact with their vulnerable
So far we have
Well you can bubble with them
And ........... oh yeah thats it | |||
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"Sensual, how do you propose we care for people who cannot care for themselves? Old people, disabled people, people fresh out of hospital etc? Employing external carers is just as risky and arguably more so. Do we leave our elders/disabled/sick to starve and die in their beds? You misundetand me I don't say you should not I'm saying it needs to be accepted if we do not nothing else done will prevent the deaths
I may also suggest after 9 months
Those who might know could indeed give a slightly more comprehensive and safe protocol for people to interact with their vulnerable
So far we have
Well you can bubble with them
And ........... oh yeah thats it "so you do go to work and encourage others to this it self will let covid 19 spread among us. | |||
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"Sensual, how do you propose we care for people who cannot care for themselves? Old people, disabled people, people fresh out of hospital etc? Employing external carers is just as risky and arguably more so. Do we leave our elders/disabled/sick to starve and die in their beds? You misundetand me I don't say you should not I'm saying it needs to be accepted if we do not nothing else done will prevent the deaths
I may also suggest after 9 months
Those who might know could indeed give a slightly more comprehensive and safe protocol for people to interact with their vulnerable
So far we have
Well you can bubble with them
And ........... oh yeah thats it "If you mean that the Government should issue advice about how to interact with elders in the safest manner (assuming you have to provide care), then I agree. But considering some people on here seem utterly ignorant of incredibly basic science, I'm not sure trying to teach aseptic donning techniques via pamphlet or TV adverts will work. I've been saying for months that there needs to be a series of public information videos of Prof Whitty and friends demonstrating the proper methods for putting on and taking off a mask, how to dispose/transport it etc. People genuinely seem totally ignorant about how to do this safely. | |||
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"Sensual, how do you propose we care for people who cannot care for themselves? Old people, disabled people, people fresh out of hospital etc? Employing external carers is just as risky and arguably more so. Do we leave our elders/disabled/sick to starve and die in their beds? You misundetand me I don't say you should not I'm saying it needs to be accepted if we do not nothing else done will prevent the deaths
I may also suggest after 9 months
Those who might know could indeed give a slightly more comprehensive and safe protocol for people to interact with their vulnerable
So far we have
Well you can bubble with them
And ........... oh yeah thats it
If you mean that the Government should issue advice about how to interact with elders in the safest manner (assuming you have to provide care), then I agree. But considering some people on here seem utterly ignorant of incredibly basic science, I'm not sure trying to teach aseptic donning techniques via pamphlet or TV adverts will work.
I've been saying for months that there needs to be a series of public information videos of Prof Whitty and friends demonstrating the proper methods for putting on and taking off a mask, how to dispose/transport it etc. People genuinely seem totally ignorant about how to do this safely."
Personally I would prefer one of the buzz words to be aware not alert
In my work place
I'm alert to what is happening im aware of what can happen how it can happen and why
The difference may seem subtle however | |||
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"Sensual, how do you propose we care for people who cannot care for themselves? Old people, disabled people, people fresh out of hospital etc? Employing external carers is just as risky and arguably more so. Do we leave our elders/disabled/sick to starve and die in their beds? You misundetand me I don't say you should not I'm saying it needs to be accepted if we do not nothing else done will prevent the deaths
I may also suggest after 9 months
Those who might know could indeed give a slightly more comprehensive and safe protocol for people to interact with their vulnerable
So far we have
Well you can bubble with them
And ........... oh yeah thats it
If you mean that the Government should issue advice about how to interact with elders in the safest manner (assuming you have to provide care), then I agree. But considering some people on here seem utterly ignorant of incredibly basic science, I'm not sure trying to teach aseptic donning techniques via pamphlet or TV adverts will work.
I've been saying for months that there needs to be a series of public information videos of Prof Whitty and friends demonstrating the proper methods for putting on and taking off a mask, how to dispose/transport it etc. People genuinely seem totally ignorant about how to do this safely."Not sure we need Whitty to demonstrate but definitely think public education videos on this are needed...esp for school kids where they are required to wear them all day in school or between classes. Not right for them to be stuffing them in their pockets in between and handling them all wrong in the process. Surely wearing an unclean mask is worse than not wearing one! | |||
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"Sensual, how do you propose we care for people who cannot care for themselves? Old people, disabled people, people fresh out of hospital etc? Employing external carers is just as risky and arguably more so. Do we leave our elders/disabled/sick to starve and die in their beds? You misundetand me I don't say you should not I'm saying it needs to be accepted if we do not nothing else done will prevent the deaths
I may also suggest after 9 months
Those who might know could indeed give a slightly more comprehensive and safe protocol for people to interact with their vulnerable
So far we have
Well you can bubble with them
And ........... oh yeah thats it
If you mean that the Government should issue advice about how to interact with elders in the safest manner (assuming you have to provide care), then I agree. But considering some people on here seem utterly ignorant of incredibly basic science, I'm not sure trying to teach aseptic donning techniques via pamphlet or TV adverts will work.
I've been saying for months that there needs to be a series of public information videos of Prof Whitty and friends demonstrating the proper methods for putting on and taking off a mask, how to dispose/transport it etc. People genuinely seem totally ignorant about how to do this safely.
Not sure we need Whitty to demonstrate but definitely think public education videos on this are needed...esp for school kids where they are required to wear them all day in school or between classes. Not right for them to be stuffing them in their pockets in between and handling them all wrong in the process. Surely wearing an unclean mask is worse than not wearing one!"I mentioned Whitty (and friends) because the good Prof seems to have been taken into the public's heart. I really think him appearing in such videos would have a far greater impact than either an actor or unknown NHS worker. The cult of celebrity strikes again... | |||
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"Sensual, how do you propose we care for people who cannot care for themselves? Old people, disabled people, people fresh out of hospital etc? Employing external carers is just as risky and arguably more so. Do we leave our elders/disabled/sick to starve and die in their beds? You misundetand me I don't say you should not I'm saying it needs to be accepted if we do not nothing else done will prevent the deaths
I may also suggest after 9 months
Those who might know could indeed give a slightly more comprehensive and safe protocol for people to interact with their vulnerable
So far we have
Well you can bubble with them
And ........... oh yeah thats it
If you mean that the Government should issue advice about how to interact with elders in the safest manner (assuming you have to provide care), then I agree. But considering some people on here seem utterly ignorant of incredibly basic science, I'm not sure trying to teach aseptic donning techniques via pamphlet or TV adverts will work.
I've been saying for months that there needs to be a series of public information videos of Prof Whitty and friends demonstrating the proper methods for putting on and taking off a mask, how to dispose/transport it etc. People genuinely seem totally ignorant about how to do this safely.
Not sure we need Whitty to demonstrate but definitely think public education videos on this are needed...esp for school kids where they are required to wear them all day in school or between classes. Not right for them to be stuffing them in their pockets in between and handling them all wrong in the process. Surely wearing an unclean mask is worse than not wearing one!
I mentioned Whitty (and friends) because the good Prof seems to have been taken into the public's heart. I really think him appearing in such videos would have a far greater impact than either an actor or unknown NHS worker. The cult of celebrity strikes again..."I don't think I've ever seen him wearing a mask. I did see our illustrious leader asking Ursula Van Leyen if he could take his mask off and being told "no" like a naughty school boy. | |||
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