FabSwingers.com forum: No more learner drivers in Englands lockdown

By *litterbabe OP Woman
over a year ago

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As from yesterday there are no learner drivers allowed on the road, it is ok in Wales or Scotland if a learner drives an essential journey with his supervising passenger, but in England now it is not allowed.

It is is understandable in some ways (learning to drive is not an essential use of the road) but disappointing for me personally, my son manages an essential food business and he has been driving me to the supermarket where he would do his food shop separately to my home shop.

We still will do the shopping, I will drive instead of him getting practice for whenever his practical test can be booked.

I presume we would no longer be insured for him to drive, and anyone showing l plates will be pulled over and questioned.

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By *onguesandpunsMan
over a year ago

East Midlands

"As from yesterday there are no learner drivers allowed on the road, it is ok in Wales or Scotland if a learner drives an essential journey with his supervising passenger, but in England now it is not allowed.

We still will do the shopping, I will drive instead of him getting practice for whenever his practical test can be booked.

I presume we would no longer be insured for him to drive, and anyone showing l plates will be pulled over and questioned."

Sorry to hear that. You should deffo check with your insurers.

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By *atnip make me purrWoman
over a year ago

Reading

It seems it depends where you live.

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By *litterbabe OP Woman
over a year ago

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"It seems it depends where you live. "

Yes that is correct, it only covers England. In Wales and Scotland you can still drive with supervision on a central journeys.

I wonder how people will find out, there is really not much about it in the news although it is on the government website where to explains how to get a driving licence.

If people didn't know they could break the law without intention..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Definatley speak to the insurance but he will be at far higher risk of an accident than you and as such the police will view the heightened risk of requiring emergency service assistance as an unnecessary one. Its about removing risk of burden from the NHS, the police will probably take a dim view.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

That's ridiculous. You're still making the same journey. When did they sneak that one in?!

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By *litterbabe OP Woman
over a year ago

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"That's ridiculous. You're still making the same journey. When did they sneak that one in?! "

Yesterday

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It seems rather odd on the face of it - have any reasons been given?

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By *ecretlyASoftieWoman
over a year ago

Hull but travel regularly

If this is actual legislation then the law is an ass and reaching too far. What if people for whatever reason rely on family/bubble who drive them for essential things?

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By *ip_brumMan
over a year ago

Solihull

Where the source for this ? I can’t find it anywhere.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

https://www.gov.uk/driving-lessons-learning-to-drive/practising-with-family-or-friends

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By *litterbabe OP Woman
over a year ago

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I'm never sure what links are allowed so I am posting this, copied from the official UK paid for obtaining a driving licence.

It is the very last sentence that is the one I'm referring to.

"Check how the new rules affect you

Part of

Learn to drive a car: step by step

Driving lessons and learning to drive

Skip to contents of guide

Contents

Overview

Taking driving lessons

Practising with family or friends

Using 'L' and 'P' plates

Overview

You can apply for a provisional driving licence when you’re 15 years and 9 months old.

You can start driving a car when you’re 17.

You can drive a car when you are 16 if you get, or have applied for, the enhanced rate of the mobility component of Personal Independence Payment (PIP).

Check which vehicles you can learn to drive.

Learning to drive during coronavirus (COVID-19)

You cannot take driving lessons in England, Scotland or Wales.

You can only practise driving with members of your household or support bubble in Scotland and Wales. It must be travel for work, education or other essential journeys.

You cannot practise driving in England"

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By *ch WellMan
over a year ago

Scotland

"If this is actual legislation then the law is an ass and reaching too far. What if people for whatever reason rely on family/bubble who drive them for essential things? "

Then they shouldn't be relying on a learner driver to get them about. They're supposed to be learning, a lesson. It shouldn't be a mode of transport.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it makes sense tbh

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke.

Are you sure? I can only find . . .

"Because of coronavirus (COVID-19), you can only practise driving with members of your household or support bubble in Scotland and Wales. It must be travel for work, education or other essential journeys. You cannot practise driving in England."

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By *litterbabe OP Woman
over a year ago

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I just don't know how people will know so that they don't inadvertently break the law.

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke.

Also pretty sure that if anyone is learner driving for any other reason than learning to drive your insurance would be null.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If this is actual legislation then the law is an ass and reaching too far. What if people for whatever reason rely on family/bubble who drive them for essential things? "

well since a learner driver needs to be supervised in the car by a driver with a license anyway and are not allowed to have additional passengers, that scenario wont exist

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I just don't know how people will know so that they don't inadvertently break the law."

yes this is poor, but then i guess maybe they think that telling people you should not travel for non essential journeys they think people will add 2+2 to get driving practice is non essential so now banned ... however in the case that your son was doing the driving on the existing essential journeys it wouldn’t cross your mind ... unfair really... maybe the dvla or insurers should be sending out communications

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke.

I have just found that:

https://www.driving.co.uk/car-clinic/can-still-get-driving-lessons-lockdown/

"The DVSA told Driving.co.uk that it is currently in the process of updating its guidance in relation to the rules about driving with supervision. A spokesperson said: “Government guidance during the lockdown is to stay at home so private driving practise in England is not advised until the restrictions are lifted.”

In Scotland and Wales, however, the current advice says that you may practice driving as long as you are on an essential journey and accompanied by a full licence holder from your household or support bubble. Be aware that if you are caught driving without a reason for being out of your house, you may be fined.

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By *ye-spyMan
over a year ago

London

This is what the GOV.uk we bsite says.

Learning to drive during coronavirus (COVID-19)

You cannot take driving lessons in England, Scotland or Wales.

You can only practise driving with members of your household or support bubble in Scotland and Wales. It must be travel for work, education or other essential journeys.

You cannot practise driving in England.

Someone hasn't proofread it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

well since a learner driver needs to be supervised in the car by a driver with a license anyway and are not allowed to have additional passengers, that scenario wont exist "

No restriction on passengers. Can carry as many at the car is registered for.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

Well, my son will have to wait a wee bit longer again. He had lessons lined up for just after the first lockdown (obviously cancelled) and then he moved for uni so is no longer wanting lessons here. He phoned instructors local to him between lockdowns but they were full with people who'd been waiting since before the lockdowns but it looked like he might finally get somewhere after Christmas. But now, obviously not.

He's trying to get a PT job but mainly the jobs available are delivery type things, for which he needs a driving license.

Oh well.

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By *litterbabe OP Woman
over a year ago

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I just had a chat with the insurance company, and crazily enough they said he was absolutely fine to keep driving, until I pointed out to them that the policy has changed on the government website.

They were completely unaware.

Needless to say we agreed he won't be driving anymore until guidance is once again updated to allow it.

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By * Your PleasureMan
over a year ago

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It kind of makes sense as due to experience they are more likely to be involved in an accident possibly leading to an additional hospital bed being taken up worst case scenerio! Plus a driving instructor would be putting themself and learners at a greater risk of covid.

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By *ornishMGpixieWoman
over a year ago

looe

I'm a key worker and learner driver living in cornwall and I've been driving to and from work with police cars everywhere and I haven't been stopped

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By *litterbabe OP Woman
over a year ago

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"I'm a key worker and learner driver living in cornwall and I've been driving to and from work with police cars everywhere and I haven't been stopped "

Just be careful because learner drivers are not insured right now in England to drive any car regardless of who owns it etc.

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By *ornishMGpixieWoman
over a year ago

looe

"I'm a key worker and learner driver living in cornwall and I've been driving to and from work with police cars everywhere and I haven't been stopped

Just be careful because learner drivers are not insured right now in England to drive any car regardless of who owns it etc."

I've had no problems getting 2 hours insurance from a learner driver company

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"It seems it depends where you live.

Yes that is correct, it only covers England. In Wales and Scotland you can still drive with supervision on a central journeys.

I wonder how people will find out, there is really not much about it in the news although it is on the government website where to explains how to get a driving licence.

If people didn't know they could break the law without intention.."

The laws in England have been changed, on average, every 4.5 days since the epidemic lockdown of last March, so it's not surprising that many of us are not fully briefed. Some things like this, which could have meant a learner driving without insurance and potential disqualification, should have been given greater prominence

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By *litterbabe OP Woman
over a year ago

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"It seems it depends where you live.

Yes that is correct, it only covers England. In Wales and Scotland you can still drive with supervision on a central journeys.

I wonder how people will find out, there is really not much about it in the news although it is on the government website where to explains how to get a driving licence.

If people didn't know they could break the law without intention..

I totally agree, even the insurance company were not aware that the law had changed over 24-hours after it had happened.

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