FabSwingers.com forum: How local is local?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Is it determined in miles, or by the nearest amenities?

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By *homCrownMan
over a year ago

West Fife

Up for debate and called out by BBC Breakfast's retired police officer "expert".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Here we go again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's 10 miles, multiplied by the number of residents in your property, add your age and then divide by the square root of the population of your nearest major town or city.... simple.

Otherwise known as "not a fucking clue"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It just comes down to common sense OP.

People will know within themselves if they are taking the piss or not.

I walk my dog in the big park which is about 10 mins away.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Here we go again. "

Im sorry, I'm not as intelligent ad you, i do apologise

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Around where i live apparently London is local.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Some things are less restricted, such as going to work or for exercise. Probably also, if you have a bubble with someone. Though remember that each nation has its own rules.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's 10 miles, multiplied by the number of residents in your property, add your age and then divide by the square root of the population of your nearest major town or city.... simple.

Otherwise known as "not a fucking clue"

It’s 42

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol

Reality is you can step outside your door and go for a walk around the immediate area and that’s exercise.

But you will always get people who have to drive miles to exercise just because they can

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you need to drive then probably not local...just visit local shops for local people

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

Those women in Derbyshire probably thought 5 miles was local.

I often run 10+ miles so could easily find myself 5 miles from home (yes I could run in circles).

It actually would be better for Govt to provide a definition based on distance. Saying “use common sense” clearly doesn’t work as lots of people lack it. After all 43% of those who voted in Dec 2019 voted for this BJ led shower!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Here we go again.

Im sorry, I'm not as intelligent ad you, i do apologise

You take from that a view on your intelligence if you wish, I'm not responsible for your interpretation. Back to the subject tho, seriously do we have to have every single thing we do in black and white easy read format?

You know what local means as do I. If folk want to find loopholes then claim ooooo the guidelines aren't clear then so be it but take responsibility for using sense.

That's all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Appr 5 miles .

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol

"Those women in Derbyshire probably thought 5 miles was local.

I often run 10+ miles so could easily find myself 5 miles from home (yes I could run in circles).

Running from home on a 10 mile or so run seems like common sense as your using the distance for exercise

Driving 5 miles to go for a walk

Is not really

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"If you need to drive then probably not local...just visit local shops for local people "

But a lot of rural places no longer have them, nor post offices etc..

So it's delivery or drive..

We have two small 'local' type shops and there's 4000 plus in the 'village', if that was the only option they would be chocker and soon run out of the basics..

It's safer to drive the 4.3 miles to the supermarket..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If you need to drive then probably not local...just visit local shops for local people

But a lot of rural places no longer have them, nor post offices etc..

So it's delivery or drive..

We have two small 'local' type shops and there's 4000 plus in the 'village', if that was the only option they would be chocker and soon run out of the basics..

It's safer to drive the 4.3 miles to the supermarket.."

Sorry I was quoting league of gentlemen

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"Those women in Derbyshire probably thought 5 miles was local.

I often run 10+ miles so could easily find myself 5 miles from home (yes I could run in circles).

Running from home on a 10 mile or so run seems like common sense as your using the distance for exercise

Driving 5 miles to go for a walk

Is not really

Well I would like to think I/we had common sense but you never know?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"If you need to drive then probably not local...just visit local shops for local people

But a lot of rural places no longer have them, nor post offices etc..

So it's delivery or drive..

We have two small 'local' type shops and there's 4000 plus in the 'village', if that was the only option they would be chocker and soon run out of the basics..

It's safer to drive the 4.3 miles to the supermarket..

Sorry I was quoting league of gentlemen "

Aha..

I see what you did there..

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By *heHungStudentMan
over a year ago

Kettering

I feel like if your having to ask does somewhere count as local it probably doesnt

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By *oved Up 2Couple
over a year ago

nottingham

For me it's the closest supermarket and the closest park. Both less than a mile away. If you're overthinking it then that suggests to me you're trying to bend/ break the rules

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Here we go again.

Im sorry, I'm not as intelligent ad you, i do apologise

You know what local means as do I. If folk want to find loopholes then claim ooooo the guidelines aren't clear then so be it but take responsibility for using sense.

That's all. "

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By *andy 1Couple
over a year ago

northeast

"Reality is you can step outside your door and go for a walk around the immediate area and that’s exercise.

But you will always get people who have to drive miles to exercise just because they can

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By *ommenhimCouple
over a year ago

wigan

"Reality is you can step outside your door and go for a walk around the immediate area and that’s exercise.

But you will always get people who have to drive miles to exercise just because they can

Ok then .... you can exercise in your home.... stay in!

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"If you need to drive then probably not local...just visit local shops for local people

But a lot of rural places no longer have them, nor post offices etc..

So it's delivery or drive..

We have two small 'local' type shops and there's 4000 plus in the 'village', if that was the only option they would be chocker and soon run out of the basics..

It's safer to drive the 4.3 miles to the supermarket.."

Wools

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Surely one of the issues is the rules are so contradictory?

You can get on a bus with 20 people.

You can go to a shop with potentially 100s of people.

You can sit on an office with dozens of people.

But you cant get in your car and travel for a few minutes,where there could be fuck all people around and you are in the open air?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

That depends on if you think you are above the guidance / don't like being told what to do or if you want to stick with it for the greater good

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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

"It's 10 miles, multiplied by the number of residents in your property, add your age and then divide by the square root of the population of your nearest major town or city.... simple.

Otherwise known as "no ot a fucking clue"

Is that the ‘not a clue’ rule then.

One of many of late..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I feel like if your having to ask does somewhere count as local it probably doesnt"

This

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"Surely one of the issues is the rules are so contradictory?

You can get on a bus with 20 people.

You can go to a shop with potentially 100s of people.

You can sit on an office with dozens of people.

But you cant get in your car and travel for a few minutes,where there could be fuck all people around and you are in the open air?"

A few minutes? Many are travelling miles away. There is no reason to unless you think the rules are not for you or that you just don't like rules

It is a pandemic where we are all meant to be thinking of each other and not potentially spreading it around to other areas that we just fancy visiting

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"For me it's the closest supermarket and the closest park. Both less than a mile away. If you're overthinking it then that suggests to me you're trying to bend/ break the rules"

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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

"Those women in Derbyshire probably thought 5 miles was local.

I often run 10+ miles so could easily find myself 5 miles from home (yes I could run in circles).

I was thinking this when I saw the ladies from Derby on TV. I will run 20k on an out & back route tomorrow, that’s more than some interpretations of common sense at the best of times! Not mine though, rarely run less than 10k...could still be over someone’s interpretation.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"If you need to drive then probably not local...just visit local shops for local people

But a lot of rural places no longer have them, nor post offices etc..

So it's delivery or drive..

We have two small 'local' type shops and there's 4000 plus in the 'village', if that was the only option they would be chocker and soon run out of the basics..

It's safer to drive the 4.3 miles to the supermarket..

Wools

Oi..

Where's the foxtrot Oscar emoji..

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Surely one of the issues is the rules are so contradictory?

You can get on a bus with 20 people.

You can go to a shop with potentially 100s of people.

You can sit on an office with dozens of people.

But you cant get in your car and travel for a few minutes,where there could be fuck all people around and you are in the open air?

A few minutes? Many are travelling miles away. There is no reason to unless you think the rules are not for you or that you just don't like rules

It is a pandemic where we are all meant to be thinking of each other and not potentially spreading it around to other areas that we just fancy visiting"

But surely you are more likely to pick it up in a shop or an office than walking around a park?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How local is local?

Well its times like these we need to ask Edward & Tubbs for clarity

PS - the actual answer is there is no actual answer. Its guidance only and the College of Policing said: "In overall terms police officers across England and Wales will be using their discretion and professional judgement"

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"If you need to drive then probably not local...just visit local shops for local people

But a lot of rural places no longer have them, nor post offices etc..

So it's delivery or drive..

We have two small 'local' type shops and there's 4000 plus in the 'village', if that was the only option they would be chocker and soon run out of the basics..

It's safer to drive the 4.3 miles to the supermarket..

Wools

Oi..

Where's the foxtrot Oscar emoji..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

It's almost like the government are leaving many things open to interpretation rather than be specific on distances etc, which will lead to fingers being pointed..

But not at them..

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"Surely one of the issues is the rules are so contradictory?

You can get on a bus with 20 people.

You can go to a shop with potentially 100s of people.

You can sit on an office with dozens of people.

But you cant get in your car and travel for a few minutes,where there could be fuck all people around and you are in the open air?

A few minutes? Many are travelling miles away. There is no reason to unless you think the rules are not for you or that you just don't like rules

It is a pandemic where we are all meant to be thinking of each other and not potentially spreading it around to other areas that we just fancy visiting

But surely you are more likely to pick it up in a shop or an office than walking around a park?"

The issue isn't about shops or offices, it is about taking the piss with the rules.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"It's almost like the government are leaving many things open to interpretation rather than be specific on distances etc, which will lead to fingers being pointed..

But not at them.."

Sadly yes, this lockdown is nowhere like the first one. When you get people who think it is OK to not use any own common sense or to bend the rule that is there, we have no chance of getting anywhere near back to normal

You can see the people who are not sticking to it just because they hate any type of rule so I would blame them too.

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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

"It's almost like the government are leaving many things open to interpretation rather than be specific on distances etc, which will lead to fingers being pointed..

But not at them.."

Surely....you can’t be suggesting...no...I absolutely....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reality is you can step outside your door and go for a walk around the immediate area and that’s exercise.

But you will always get people who have to drive miles to exercise just because they can

if you live in a rough, run down area full of concrete your not going to have the same mental health release as people who happen to live on the doorstep of beauty spots

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"It's almost like the government are leaving many things open to interpretation rather than be specific on distances etc, which will lead to fingers being pointed..

But not at them..

You can see the people who are not sticking to it just because they hate any type of rule so I would blame them too. "

I'm probably being cynical and can see from the economic side why they may have changed the criteria as to what is essential and what can stay open..

But the current spread is not being checked and they need to stop dithering and listen to the scientific community and the hospitals..

There needs to be some one getting a grip..

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

The messaging is rubbish that's for sure, but if people used their common sense they would see what needs to be done.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

10 people have had it now on our office and we are still open.

That's not down to people being stupid

Business concerns are coming above health.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"Surely one of the issues is the rules are so contradictory?

You can get on a bus with 20 people.

You can go to a shop with potentially 100s of people.

You can sit on an office with dozens of people.

But you cant get in your car and travel for a few minutes,where there could be fuck all people around and you are in the open air?

A few minutes? Many are travelling miles away. There is no reason to unless you think the rules are not for you or that you just don't like rules

It is a pandemic where we are all meant to be thinking of each other and not potentially spreading it around to other areas that we just fancy visiting

But surely you are more likely to pick it up in a shop or an office than walking around a park?"

Can see your reasoning but most when outside don’t bother with masks and still don’t understand what 2m is

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

"Is it determined in miles, or by the nearest amenities? "

If you know you don't need to be there then, that far.

All that is being asked is to play within the spirit of the guidelines.

And to show some modicum of respect for those who are working to deal with it and to those who are seriously ill with it.

And if you believe the whole thing is made up then you are lost to sense anyway.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I feel like if your having to ask does somewhere count as local it probably doesnt

This

Well if you can drive 5 miles and get out where there's no one about and be fined but, go indoors in s big supermarket with potentially 100 people as stated above, the no! It isn't "this"!

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"10 people have had it now on our office and we are still open.

That's not down to people being stupid

Business concerns are coming above health."

I which case you should take your concerns to your boss

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Surely one of the issues is the rules are so contradictory?

You can get on a bus with 20 people.

You can go to a shop with potentially 100s of people.

You can sit on an office with dozens of people.

But you cant get in your car and travel for a few minutes,where there could be fuck all people around and you are in the open air?

A few minutes? Many are travelling miles away. There is no reason to unless you think the rules are not for you or that you just don't like rules

It is a pandemic where we are all meant to be thinking of each other and not potentially spreading it around to other areas that we just fancy visiting

But surely you are more likely to pick it up in a shop or an office than walking around a park?

Can see your reasoning but most when outside don’t bother with masks and still don’t understand what 2m is "

But you dont need a mask outside?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"10 people have had it now on our office and we are still open.

That's not down to people being stupid

Business concerns are coming above health.

I which case you should take your concerns to your boss"

A certain floppy haired gentleman...

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"Surely one of the issues is the rules are so contradictory?

You can get on a bus with 20 people.

You can go to a shop with potentially 100s of people.

You can sit on an office with dozens of people.

But you cant get in your car and travel for a few minutes,where there could be fuck all people around and you are in the open air?

A few minutes? Many are travelling miles away. There is no reason to unless you think the rules are not for you or that you just don't like rules

It is a pandemic where we are all meant to be thinking of each other and not potentially spreading it around to other areas that we just fancy visiting

But surely you are more likely to pick it up in a shop or an office than walking around a park?

Can see your reasoning but most when outside don’t bother with masks and still don’t understand what 2m is

But you dont need a mask outside?"

It’s your choice to wear one, personally I do as it’s quite hard to keep 2m from someone on a pavement

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Is it determined in miles, or by the nearest amenities?

If you know you don't need to be there then, that far.

All that is being asked is to play within the spirit of the guidelines.

And to show some modicum of respect for those who are working to deal with it and to those who are seriously ill with it.

And if you believe the whole thing is made up then you are lost to sense anyway.

Yes, reasonable travel. Ie closest shop that hss what you need would be my gauge. It threw me when those two wonen were outdoors witb no one around and 5 miles isn't really thst far

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People who are unable, either deliberately or through stupidity, to understand the rules need to do three things.

1. Look up, and try to understand the phrase "damage limitation".

2. Telephone your PM and ask for precise instructions pertaining only to your own individual needs/wants.

3. Write them down on a big piece of paper in either red or orange crayon and put it by the front door.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I work on the basis that we are in a National Lockdowm to help prevent the spread of Covid-19.

Stay at home, walk/run etc to excersise from home, visit the closest shop possible for ESSENTIALS, do 1 big shop if you can, instead of "nipping" to a shop every day.

It seems like common sense, unfortunately a lot of people will do anything to bend the rules, then cry when caught out. Of course we are all missing friends and family, but follow the rules

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Surely one of the issues is the rules are so contradictory?

You can get on a bus with 20 people.

You can go to a shop with potentially 100s of people.

You can sit on an office with dozens of people.

But you cant get in your car and travel for a few minutes,where there could be fuck all people around and you are in the open air?

A few minutes? Many are travelling miles away. There is no reason to unless you think the rules are not for you or that you just don't like rules

It is a pandemic where we are all meant to be thinking of each other and not potentially spreading it around to other areas that we just fancy visiting

But surely you are more likely to pick it up in a shop or an office than walking around a park?

Can see your reasoning but most when outside don’t bother with masks and still don’t understand what 2m is

But you dont need a mask outside?

It’s your choice to wear one, personally I do as it’s quite hard to keep 2m from someone on a pavement "

There was some expert on the radio who said the chances if catching it outside were minimal.

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

"10 people have had it now on our office and we are still open.

That's not down to people being stupid

Business concerns are coming above health.

I which case you should take your concerns to your boss

A certain floppy haired gentleman...

Go work in my relatives office, he works for the same man and they sent half home in March to make the office Covid safe ( as they can ) They have had a few cases of covid in the office but turns out it because the people broke covid rules themselves so caught it outside work

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"10 people have had it now on our office and we are still open.

That's not down to people being stupid

Business concerns are coming above health.

I which case you should take your concerns to your boss

A certain floppy haired gentleman...

People are dropping like flies in here

During the 1st one ,1 person had it,and they sent home the entire floor.

They just don't seem to be strict this time for some reason.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Surely one of the issues is the rules are so contradictory?

You can get on a bus with 20 people.

You can go to a shop with potentially 100s of people.

You can sit on an office with dozens of people.

But you cant get in your car and travel for a few minutes,where there could be fuck all people around and you are in the open air?

A few minutes? Many are travelling miles away. There is no reason to unless you think the rules are not for you or that you just don't like rules

It is a pandemic where we are all meant to be thinking of each other and not potentially spreading it around to other areas that we just fancy visiting

But surely you are more likely to pick it up in a shop or an office than walking around a park?

Can see your reasoning but most when outside don’t bother with masks and still don’t understand what 2m is

But you dont need a mask outside?

It’s your choice to wear one, personally I do as it’s quite hard to keep 2m from someone on a pavement

There was some expert on the radio who said the chances if catching it outside were minimal."

Never mind the radio, they're all on here

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

"10 people have had it now on our office and we are still open.

That's not down to people being stupid

Business concerns are coming above health.

I which case you should take your concerns to your boss

A certain floppy haired gentleman...

So are you then saying that businesses shouldn’t be covid secure because people are being idiots outside work?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it determined in miles, or by the nearest amenities? "

If you read between the lines one woman actually lives about 30 miles away in Leicestershire. We don’t know how the pair reacted to the police when questioned, where they entitled, rude etc?

When all’s said and done the police are trying to deter people from coming into the Peak District and creating larger gatherings.

Maybe it was misjudged from one or both sides, yes the guidance is very sketchy but...

The Derbyshire police are obviously taking a stance that says “don’t abuse the lockdown rules”, I applaude that, across the country we’d be in a better position if the policing was lower tolerance.

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

The term local is proportional to how good or bad a day the police officer stopping you is having... I could consider anywhere in my county local but that’s not local under the spirit of the rules I think. Personally I would rather people driving 10 miles to walk somewhere with lots of space than spend a hour walking around the high street outside their home. The mental health benefits outweigh the dangers if done sensibly.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Surely one of the issues is the rules are so contradictory?

You can get on a bus with 20 people.

You can go to a shop with potentially 100s of people.

You can sit on an office with dozens of people.

But you cant get in your car and travel for a few minutes,where there could be fuck all people around and you are in the open air?

A few minutes? Many are travelling miles away. There is no reason to unless you think the rules are not for you or that you just don't like rules

It is a pandemic where we are all meant to be thinking of each other and not potentially spreading it around to other areas that we just fancy visiting

But surely you are more likely to pick it up in a shop or an office than walking around a park?

Can see your reasoning but most when outside don’t bother with masks and still don’t understand what 2m is

But you dont need a mask outside?

It’s your choice to wear one, personally I do as it’s quite hard to keep 2m from someone on a pavement

There was some expert on the radio who said the chances if catching it outside were minimal.

Never mind the radio, they're all on here

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Is it determined in miles, or by the nearest amenities?

If you read between the lines one woman actually lives about 30 miles away in Leicestershire. We don’t know how the pair reacted to the police when questioned, where they entitled, rude etc?

When all’s said and done the police are trying to deter people from coming into the Peak District and creating larger gatherings.

Maybe it was misjudged from one or both sides, yes the guidance is very sketchy but...

The fact the police are backtracking doesnt indicate they were rude?

And it's not often the police backtrack.

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

"10 people have had it now on our office and we are still open.

That's not down to people being stupid

Business concerns are coming above health.

I which case you should take your concerns to your boss

A certain floppy haired gentleman...

So are you then saying that businesses shouldn’t be covid secure because people are being idiots outside work?"

Wow, I am used to people twisting what people are saying on here but this has to be one of the worst

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By *alifaxsuetvcdTV/TS
over a year ago

halifax

"10 people have had it now on our office and we are still open.

That's not down to people being stupid

Business concerns are coming above health.

I which case you should take your concerns to your boss

A certain floppy haired gentleman...

So are you then saying that businesses shouldn’t be covid secure because people are being idiots outside work?"

that's a big leap

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"The term local is proportional to how good or bad a day the police officer stopping you is having... I could consider anywhere in my county local but that’s not local under the spirit of the rules I think. Personally I would rather people driving 10 miles to walk somewhere with lots of space than spend a hour walking around the high street outside their home. The mental health benefits outweigh the dangers if done sensibly."

The spirit of the law is also ridiculously vague.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"Surely one of the issues is the rules are so contradictory?

You can get on a bus with 20 people.

You can go to a shop with potentially 100s of people.

You can sit on an office with dozens of people.

But you cant get in your car and travel for a few minutes,where there could be fuck all people around and you are in the open air?

A few minutes? Many are travelling miles away. There is no reason to unless you think the rules are not for you or that you just don't like rules

It is a pandemic where we are all meant to be thinking of each other and not potentially spreading it around to other areas that we just fancy visiting

But surely you are more likely to pick it up in a shop or an office than walking around a park?

Can see your reasoning but most when outside don’t bother with masks and still don’t understand what 2m is

But you dont need a mask outside?

It’s your choice to wear one, personally I do as it’s quite hard to keep 2m from someone on a pavement

There was some expert on the radio who said the chances if catching it outside were minimal."

I’m sure.... how many droplets are you walking through as you follow someone who is talking away, running etc. Pavements as slimmer than supermarket aisles, so I keep it on until get to true open space

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"10 people have had it now on our office and we are still open.

That's not down to people being stupid

Business concerns are coming above health.

I which case you should take your concerns to your boss

A certain floppy haired gentleman...

People are dropping like flies in here

During the 1st one ,1 person had it,and they sent home the entire floor.

They just don't seem to be strict this time for some reason."

To be honest he thinks it won't be as strict this time either, as when those people got covid they all got sent home like yours were.

It is why you need to kick up a stink, but it needs to be all of you or it might make you a target to be the first one they let go if they need to lose people

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"10 people have had it now on our office and we are still open.

That's not down to people being stupid

Business concerns are coming above health.

I which case you should take your concerns to your boss

A certain floppy haired gentleman...

People are dropping like flies in here

During the 1st one ,1 person had it,and they sent home the entire floor.

They just don't seem to be strict this time for some reason.

To be honest he thinks it won't be as strict this time either, as when those people got covid they all got sent home like yours were.

It is why you need to kick up a stink, but it needs to be all of you or it might make you a target to be the first one they let go if they need to lose people"

I'm sure the union will get on the case.

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By * and M lookingCouple
over a year ago

Worcester

Surely by just saying you must stay within your postcode area (first part obvs).

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"If you need to drive then probably not local...just visit local shops for local people "

There's a lot of people who can't afford local shop prices due to lack of income from not being able to work. Also there's limited choice in many local stores. I can't buy everything I need in mine and I certainly can't afford to do my main shop there. I have to drive to my local tesco.

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By *addyBabygirl2020Couple
over a year ago

norwich

"Is it determined in miles, or by the nearest amenities?

If you know you don't need to be there then, that far.

All that is being asked is to play within the spirit of the guidelines.

And to show some modicum of respect for those who are working to deal with it and to those who are seriously ill with it.

And if you believe the whole thing is made up then you are lost to sense anyway.

Local seems relevant to where you live I feel.

In London it might mean a half hour to 45min drive or the tube to travel a short distance. Out in the sticks i can jump in my car and travel a fair distance in 10 mins which still feels local.

I don't the problem with what the lady in the news was fined about. Where she drove to was not that far and a short drive from home, probably far more able to keep her distance from other peole there than walking out her front door.

Physical health seems to be a factor in recovering well from covid. We should be encouraging people to get outdoors, not fining them.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Is it determined in miles, or by the nearest amenities?

If you know you don't need to be there then, that far.

All that is being asked is to play within the spirit of the guidelines.

And to show some modicum of respect for those who are working to deal with it and to those who are seriously ill with it.

And if you believe the whole thing is made up then you are lost to sense anyway.

Local seems relevant to where you live I feel.

In London it might mean a half hour to 45min drive or the tube to travel a short distance. Out in the sticks i can jump in my car and travel a fair distance in 10 mins which still feels local.

Physical health seems to be a factor in recovering well from covid. We should be encouraging people to get outdoors, not fining them."

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"Surely by just saying you must stay within your postcode area (first part obvs)."

This sounds sensible.

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By *J647Couple
over a year ago

Daventry

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

So anglers can only fish locally?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The fact the police are backtracking doesnt indicate they were rude?

And it's not often the police backtrack."

They had to backtrack during the first lockdown after using a drone to spot walkers too...

As everyone on here is agreeing the guidelines and more importantly the law are really sketchy.

The point I’m making is the police when trying to make a big difference and are being criticised, dragged through the press for their proactive and good intent. In the long run that probably means they will be more cautious and less effective.

Personally I feel we should cut them some slack, if there’s a criticism here it’s the guidance they are given was poor.

Read any of Scotland’s lockdown rules, Sturgeon is so direct, it’s all simply put: what you can do, what you can’t do... politically I’m not sure I like her but her handling of lockdown is something England can learn from.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"The fact the police are backtracking doesnt indicate they were rude?

And it's not often the police backtrack.

They had to backtrack during the first lockdown after using a drone to spot walkers too...

As everyone on here is agreeing the guidelines and more importantly the law are really sketchy.

Personally I feel we should cut them some slack, if there’s a criticism here it’s the guidance they are given was poor.

She is direct and gets her point across well.

I quite like her.

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By * and M lookingCouple
over a year ago

Worcester

"The fact the police are backtracking doesnt indicate they were rude?

And it's not often the police backtrack.

They had to backtrack during the first lockdown after using a drone to spot walkers too...

As everyone on here is agreeing the guidelines and more importantly the law are really sketchy.

Personally I feel we should cut them some slack, if there’s a criticism here it’s the guidance they are given was poor.

She is direct and gets her point across well.

I quite like her."

Shes lost the plot.

Talking of closing takeaways and limiting supermarket opening hours will force people closer together surely.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Those women in Derbyshire probably thought 5 miles was local.

I often run 10+ miles so could easily find myself 5 miles from home (yes I could run in circles).

i think distance doesnt work because in a city 5 miles might be more than necessary but people have posted on here that live more rural and they need to go that far just to get to shops

i think it would be better to advise that exercise or walking your dog etc should be done starting from your home without the use of a vehicle

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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

"The fact the police are backtracking doesnt indicate they were rude?

And it's not often the police backtrack.

They had to backtrack during the first lockdown after using a drone to spot walkers too...

As everyone on here is agreeing the guidelines and more importantly the law are really sketchy.

Personally I feel we should cut them some slack, if there’s a criticism here it’s the guidance they are given was poor.

Got to agree there, whatever your opinion on Derbyshire police & their actions, they have left little room for ambiguity. ‘Sorry officer , I didn’t know..’ oh really!

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

Got to agree there, whatever your opinion on Derbyshire police & their actions, they have left little room for ambiguity. ‘Sorry officer , I didn’t know..’ oh really!"

Well. Not really. Many Police Forces have interoperated the guidelines in their own way. Staffordshire Police said they will ignore the guidelines at one point and do what they wanted to. Then later they said we aren't going to do that much. Derbyshire Police have come under fire at least twice for over zealous covid Policing.

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan
over a year ago

nearby

London 5600 ppl per sq km

Cornwall 160

It’s about population density not just distance.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Is it determined in miles, or by the nearest amenities? "

The situation hasn't been helped by several MPs and othe Officials have made statements saying that "the rules do not specify any restrictions on distance"

Cal

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Is it determined in miles, or by the nearest amenities?

The situation hasn't been helped by several MPs and othe Officials have made statements saying that "the rules do not specify any restrictions on distance"

Cal"

No but one's common sense and intelligence can surely make a determination. Outside my front door... To wherever I can walk to in 30 minutes.

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By *ynonvalleyboyMan
over a year ago

merthyr

Probably 90% of those told by the police to go home, there are always the ones who think how dare they tell me what to do,

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

According to the news, certain people from Leicester and Liverpool, think Snowdonia is local!

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By *ynonvalleyboyMan
over a year ago

merthyr

"According to the news, certain people from Leicester and Liverpool, think Snowdonia is local!

Yes they have closed all car parks there now

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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Got to agree there, whatever your opinion on Derbyshire police & their actions, they have left little room for ambiguity. ‘Sorry officer , I didn’t know..’ oh really!

Like I said Derbyshire...unambiguous, might not be popular, but you know where you are & maybe where you shouldn’t be.

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By *limmatureguyMan
over a year ago

Tonbridge

1km in France during confinement. Further than that and you get a fine

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"According to the news, certain people from Leicester and Liverpool, think Snowdonia is local!

That's home schooling for you

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By *he Ring WraithMan
over a year ago

Bradford

Odd one really; local for me at the moment for a walk is down the canal where i live (I live next to it, not on it).

Local for work is 3 miles (work travel i know does not count anyway).

Local for my main shop is next to work, but local for a small co-op is 100 yards.

Not sure I am doing anything else at the moment so thats my world.

Years ago i lived in a more remote location, walking was just the same, village shop (limited stuff) was 2 miles, small supermarket 10 miles, any other things even further so local depends on where you are.

I have a relative on a sheep farm in Australia, end of their drive is 20 miles, shop 40 and town 90 miles ... glad i dont have that shopping trip.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Here we go again.

Im sorry, I'm not as intelligent ad you, i do apologise

You know what local means as do I. If folk want to find loopholes then claim ooooo the guidelines aren't clear then so be it but take responsibility for using sense.

That's all. "

Definitive instructions is how the law works though, not by vague guidelines. When was the last time you saw a speed limit sign marked " 30ish"?

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Surely one of the issues is the rules are so contradictory?

You can get on a bus with 20 people.

You can go to a shop with potentially 100s of people.

You can sit on an office with dozens of people.

But you cant get in your car and travel for a few minutes,where there could be fuck all people around and you are in the open air?

A few minutes? Many are travelling miles away. There is no reason to unless you think the rules are not for you or that you just don't like rules

It is a pandemic where we are all meant to be thinking of each other and not potentially spreading it around to other areas that we just fancy visiting"

So how exactly is travelling half hour and walking or fishing in solitude SPREADING anything?

Control the virus

Avoid people

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

The women were not fishing, but if they were and were miles away from home then they would be doing what we are asked not to do

I can't keep saying it to people who really want to bend or break the rules that are asked of us...do what you like, it is entirely up to you, but just don't whinge if it gets you a fine like the two women or people call you selfish

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"Surely by just saying you must stay within your postcode area (first part obvs)."

That is probably a good idea, most of us would have somewhere within your own postcode to go for a walk etc

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"The women were not fishing, but if they were and were miles away from home then they would be doing what we are asked not to do

Forget made up rules for a second

I live 8 miles away from there

How am I spreading the virus if I drive half an hour and the walk for 7 avoiding others

Control the virus

Avoid other humans

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The women were not fishing, but if they were and were miles away from home then they would be doing what we are asked not to do

Forget made up rules for a second

I live 8 miles away from there

How am I spreading the virus if I drive half an hour and the walk for 7 avoiding others

Control the virus

Avoid other humans

and if everyone in an 8 mile radius has the same thought ? what then ?

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By *iguy for funMan
over a year ago

CIRENCESTER

Forget made up rules for a second

I live 8 miles away from there

How am I spreading the virus if I drive half an hour and the walk for 7 avoiding others

Control the virus

Avoid other humans

not sure it would constitute as necessary travel though

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"The women were not fishing, but if they were and were miles away from home then they would be doing what we are asked not to do

Forget made up rules for a second

I live 8 miles away from there

How am I spreading the virus if I drive half an hour and the walk for 7 avoiding others

Control the virus

Avoid other humans

and if everyone in an 8 mile radius has the same thought ? what then ?

Well personally then I'd travel further to a quiet spot i don't much like company walking

I've been avoiding people fir decades

But if we are objectively talking about controlling the virus by avoid humans then I'd much prefer everyone in an 8 mile radius get lost in a 500 acre woodland than go to firkin home bargains

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"The women were not fishing, but if they were and were miles away from home then they would be doing what we are asked not to do

Forget made up rules for a second

I live 8 miles away from there

How am I spreading the virus if I drive half an hour and the walk for 7 avoiding others

Control the virus

Avoid other humans

If there were to forget the rules as if there wasn't any the question is irrelevant

It seems beauty spots have had to be closed off because there were so many people going there, if everyone has the same idea then it could be spread further, but I think you know this but just don't want to stick to any rules set

It all helps to spread the virus more when people won't do as asked...as I say, selfish or just people playing a Wolfie Smith act

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

Forget made up rules for a second

I live 8 miles away from there

How am I spreading the virus if I drive half an hour and the walk for 7 avoiding others

Control the virus

Avoid other humans

not sure it would constitute as necessary travel though"

Surely, in some cases, it's better for people to travel (a short diatance) to a less crowded area to exercise than clog up the local park?

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By *he Ring WraithMan
over a year ago

Bradford

Forget made up rules for a second

I live 8 miles away from there

How am I spreading the virus if I drive half an hour and the walk for 7 avoiding others

Control the virus

Avoid other humans

not sure it would constitute as necessary travel though

Surely, in some cases, it's better for people to travel (a short diatance) to a less crowded area to exercise than clog up the local park?"

That is way to sensible !

If you live in a flat in a block of flats in an estate, stay in the block with others, stay in the estate with others, or drive to a park on the edge of town.

Just don't try to apply anything remotely sensible to some of the rules.

Just avoid people !!!!!!

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By *ickychef1Man
over a year ago

Greenford

You dont know what local is....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it determined in miles, or by the nearest amenities?

The situation hasn't been helped by several MPs and othe Officials have made statements saying that "the rules do not specify any restrictions on distance"

Cal

No but one's common sense and intelligence can surely make a determination. Outside my front door... To wherever I can walk to in 30 minutes. "

what about if outside your door is an inner city ghetto...

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

I take the dog to the beach in my car then I walk. I travel alone - 3 miles, I live alone with one dog. If it's ok for me to see hundreds of patients a week I'm going to walk the dog on a beach.

This Government needs to stop blaming the public and look at their own failings.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

The fact that there has been about 3 threads on it clearly indicates there is some confusion.

And I wouldnt be surprised if the police were in the same boat.. hence the backtracking.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"The fact that there has been about 3 threads on it clearly indicates there is some confusion.

And I wouldnt be surprised if the police were in the same boat.. hence the backtracking."

I'm not sure there's confusion. I think it's an opportunity for people to exploit it. Stay at home. Stop spreading the virus. As someone said above... We know what spreads it. So not sure why we all need to argue and be pedantic. I'd encourage everyone to pick up a great big baseball bat and take them with them when they go out. That way people will realise they need to keep their distance.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"The fact that there has been about 3 threads on it clearly indicates there is some confusion.

And I wouldnt be surprised if the police were in the same boat.. hence the backtracking.

3 sepeetate threads on what constitutes "local'would suggest otherwise

How can you stay at home when you have to go to work?

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

Hear, hear. One of the most rational posts I have read so far.

'Sensibly' resonates a lot better with me than the constantly invoked 'Common sense'. I stopped worshipping common sense at roughly the same time I decided to not waste any of my time thinking about God (the chap, by the way, who logic dictates must have created every virus so far for the benefit of the species he allegedly cares so much about).

Common sense nearly always means 'the way I go about doing things, even though I might be a total and utter pillock' and thus can be extremely diverse in its manifestation.

For example, it is hardly 'common sense' to make blanket assumptions that everyone lives somewhere suitable for taking exercise on the doorstep. or to make assumptions that everyone lives in the exact centre of their postcode area.I am two houses away from a completely different one. Should I not cross the boundary as one poster is suggesting?

Sensible behaviour, however, is more likely to stand out as such on its own merits.

If the police don't use sensible behaviour all they will do is undermine their own credibility. Exactly as will families whose interpretation of support bubble includes any of probably 30 or more extended clan members selectable, whenever convenient, as visitable.

I've never found being a cynic a bad idea!

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By *rotic-TouchTV/TS
over a year ago

doncaster

Regarding going outside for your daily exercise I'd say within reasonable walking distance from home

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"The fact that there has been about 3 threads on it clearly indicates there is some confusion.

And I wouldnt be surprised if the police were in the same boat.. hence the backtracking.

3 sepeetate threads on what constitutes "local'would suggest otherwise

How can you stay at home when you have to go to work?"

The discussions not about going to work is it?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"The fact that there has been about 3 threads on it clearly indicates there is some confusion.

And I wouldnt be surprised if the police were in the same boat.. hence the backtracking.

I'm not sure there's confusion. I think it's an opportunity for people to exploit it. Stay at home. Stop spreading the virus.

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"The fact that there has been about 3 threads on it clearly indicates there is some confusion.

And I wouldnt be surprised if the police were in the same boat.. hence the backtracking.

3 sepeetate threads on what constitutes "local'would suggest otherwise

How can you stay at home when you have to go to work?

The discussions not about going to work is it? "

No but you said ..stay at home

Stop the spread..some people cant do this.

I do think some people are taking the piss..I think others are genuinely not.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

"The fact that there has been about 3 threads on it clearly indicates there is some confusion.

And I wouldnt be surprised if the police were in the same boat.. hence the backtracking.

3 sepeetate threads on what constitutes "local'would suggest otherwise

How can you stay at home when you have to go to work?

The discussions not about going to work is it? "

Well our local police station is 7 miles away, so as defined by police, 7 miles it is!

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

I’m a globalist , local Is England

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By *ike676767Man
over a year ago

Near Taunton

Everyone knows what's local and if you don't, then maybe you aren't safe to leave home.

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

They're trying to credit people with a bit of common sense and not have to spell everything out.

But threads like this show there is very little common sense and they need to be more specific, say for instance, you must only exercise within 5 miles of your home.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"The fact that there has been about 3 threads on it clearly indicates there is some confusion.

And I wouldnt be surprised if the police were in the same boat.. hence the backtracking.

3 sepeetate threads on what constitutes "local'would suggest otherwise

How can you stay at home when you have to go to work?

The discussions not about going to work is it?

Well our local police station is 7 miles away, so as defined by police, 7 miles it is!

I live in the metropolitan borough of a huge town and our nearest police station is over 6 miles away. The one nearer was mothballed. I don't think using open police stations as a yardstick is very helpful

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By *revaunanceCouple
over a year ago

Exeter

"Those women in Derbyshire probably thought 5 miles was local.

I often run 10+ miles so could easily find myself 5 miles from home (yes I could run in circles).

Running from home on a 10 mile or so run seems like common sense as your using the distance for exercise

Driving 5 miles to go for a walk

Is not really

Agreed.

Lets be honest they drove to get a hot drink first, so what exercise were they planning. They clearly intended to sit and have a natter.

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By *litterbabeWoman
over a year ago

hiding from cock pics.

"Those women in Derbyshire probably thought 5 miles was local.

I often run 10+ miles so could easily find myself 5 miles from home (yes I could run in circles).

Running from home on a 10 mile or so run seems like common sense as your using the distance for exercise

Driving 5 miles to go for a walk

Is not really

Agreed.

Lets be honest they drove to get a hot drink first, so what exercise were they planning. They clearly intended to sit and have a natter.

I'm not saying that I feel it is ok, or that it should be encouraged, I'm just commenting on the legal aspect of it.

Unless I miss understand the rules they are perfectly in order to both of buy a drink and sit and have a natter. The below is copied from the updated government website.

"Can I meet people outside in a park or garden in England and Scotland?

Official advice states that ‘in general’ you should try and limit the time spent outside your home and ‘you must not meet people socially’.

However, the government has also stated that an exception to this rule is that you can meet one other person, who is not in your household or support bubble, outside in a public space.

This would include parks, commons and other public outdoor spaces but does not include private outdoor spaces such as gardens.

The rules state: ‘You can exercise or meet in a public, outdoors space with people you live with, your support bubble (or as part of a childcare bubble), or with one other person.’

Children under 5, as well as disabled people dependent on round-the-clock care are not counted towards the limit on two people meeting outside.

If you are meeting someone from outside your household in a public space outdoors, you must stay two meters away from them at all times.

These lockdown rules only affect England. Northern Ireland, Wales, and Scotland have implemented their own coronavirus safety restrictions independently."

As I understand it you are permitted to meet one person in a public place outdoors and socially distant. It doesn't say as I understand it it that you are not allowed to sit down, or have a drink during meeting them.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

I'm not an expert on walking anymore, but I believe it's possible to walk and drink a takeaway coffee at the same time. I can drink takeaway coffee and keep on wheelchairing (same with ice creams) so it must be possible whilst walking

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By *revaunanceCouple
over a year ago

Exeter

"I'm not saying that I feel it is ok, or that it should be encouraged, I'm just commenting on the legal aspect of it.