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"Obviously we have had many threads started or contributed to by covid sceptic's. Let's not go down the conspiracy theory discussion again. What I would like to know, if anyone is brave enough to come forward and admit that they have changed their minds completely and now understand the danger of covid? Alternatively has anyone gone the other way? " You would have to be blind and wearing eye-patches and dark glasses with a hood over your head to believe this is all fake. | |||
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 I socially distance and wear a mask (uniqlo have highly rated ones) but some situations do leave me puzzled | |||
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"I don’t know if i would consider it brave though to hold an alternative opinion? " I don’t believe covid isn’t a thing for the record | |||
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"A friend of mine is in his 60s and has bad copd,his wife was given a year to live a while ago and they both tested positive for covid 10 days ago. They were both slightly ill for a couple of days and now feel fine. I’m not sure why but one thing I do know is the media and government are blowing this virus out of all proportion! Something is not right. Obviously people are dying but are they dying with covid or from covid? " people are dying with covid not as many are dying from covid as they make you believe. also virus does exist but indeed blown out of proportion by the media and governement. it might sound harsh but we are supposed to die we are creepling the economy, the future and life of young peoples to try and save peoples that have already lived their life. i would be happy to pass if i ever get to 80+ death is part of life and can not be stopped fact. | |||
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"A friend of mine is in his 60s and has bad copd,his wife was given a year to live a while ago and they both tested positive for covid 10 days ago. They were both slightly ill for a couple of days and now feel fine. I’m not sure why but one thing I do know is the media and government are blowing this virus out of all proportion! Something is not right. Obviously people are dying but are they dying with covid or from covid? " I truly pity you hunni, really... that’s the best line you can deliver? You’re right, something is not right... you’re looking at the pandemic for the answer though, try looking at your thinking. | |||
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"A friend of mine is in his 60s and has bad copd,his wife was given a year to live a while ago and they both tested positive for covid 10 days ago. They were both slightly ill for a couple of days and now feel fine. I’m not sure why but one thing I do know is the media and government are blowing this virus out of all proportion! Something is not right. Obviously people are dying but are they dying with covid or from covid? " It’s good your friends pulled through, there is no rhyme or reason why some get it worst than others. I’ll give you an example... last Thursday a family friend felt exhausted, had his usual weekly test at work and it came back positive. Friday at home isolating complete lack of energy, by Saturday he was struggling to breathe, transferred to hospital Saturday evening straight into ICU. Got his blood pressure and breathing under control, 24 hrs later Sunday evening transferred to a ward, talking, eating still feeling tired but everything else under control. He died 4 hours later from a heart attack, early hours of Monday. So in my opinion not blown out of proportion at all, it’s out there, did he he die of covid or because of covid? you don’t know when it is going to strike or how it will effect you so do the one thing being asked and stay home where you have no valid reason to go out. | |||
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"A friend of mine is in his 60s and has bad copd,his wife was given a year to live a while ago and they both tested positive for covid 10 days ago. They were both slightly ill for a couple of days and now feel fine. I’m not sure why but one thing I do know is the media and government are blowing this virus out of all proportion! Something is not right. Obviously people are dying but are they dying with covid or from covid? It’s good your friends pulled through, there is no rhyme or reason why some get it worst than others. I’ll give you an example... last Thursday a family friend felt exhausted, had his usual weekly test at work and it came back positive. Friday at home isolating complete lack of energy, by Saturday he was struggling to breathe, transferred to hospital Saturday evening straight into ICU. Got his blood pressure and breathing under control, 24 hrs later Sunday evening transferred to a ward, talking, eating still feeling tired but everything else under control. He died 4 hours later from a heart attack, early hours of Monday. So in my opinion not blown out of proportion at all, it’s out there, did he he die of covid or because of covid? you don’t know when it is going to strike or how it will effect you so do the one thing being asked and stay home where you have no valid reason to go out. " | |||
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"A friend of mine is in his 60s and has bad copd,his wife was given a year to live a while ago and they both tested positive for covid 10 days ago. They were both slightly ill for a couple of days and now feel fine. I’m not sure why but one thing I do know is the media and government are blowing this virus out of all proportion! Something is not right. Obviously people are dying but are they dying with covid or from covid? " Have never liked this death 28 days after a positive test criteria, and the complete lack of transparency from the government. So you could get run over leaving the test centre does that count in the figure? Who knows Does it exist yes, do I know anyone who has had it and known they had it at the time, no. So personally I have not seen first hand the impact of it. | |||
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"Obviously we have had many threads started or contributed to by covid sceptic's. Let's not go down the conspiracy theory discussion again. What I would like to know, if anyone is brave enough to come forward and admit that they have changed their minds completely and now understand the danger of covid? Alternatively has anyone gone the other way? " The key to this is the narrative... for nearly a year now the “cautious” have been talking about what could happen, the risk, the seriousness of the situation and most importantly the potential for a disastrous outcome. The detractors have played the dumb it down card, rubbishing the science, the risk, the chance of infection etc. But here we are... the worst outcome has started, it’s costing us 1,000 lives plus a day and age etc no longer applies, if you’re in hospital it’s a game of chance if you can get enough treatment to survive. From Covid... with Covid... excuse me but shut the fuck up with that ridiculous line. 28, 34, 42, 44, 45, 47, 58, 62, 67, 72, 72, 75... that’s the ages of those who died on my last ward shift, the virus killed them all, it’s not even a discussion, there’s fkn grey area. I’m glad if one of you is happy to die age 80, I’m not so sure you’d be so happy to see your kids or grandkids pass away though. We have plenty of young, fit and healthy people come into us heading towards death... they have an advantage, they are strong enough to survive through the ordeal we go through to save their lives... they are far from invulnerable, the weeks ahead will have awful outcomes for many of them and their families. | |||
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"Here's my view, you socially distance at an airport but then sit in a crowded aircraft I socially distance and wear a mask (uniqlo have highly rated ones) but some situations do leave me puzzled "Because when you are on a plane you can be traced to those people on your flight should an out break was to appear. | |||
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"A friend of mine is in his 60s and has bad copd,his wife was given a year to live a while ago and they both tested positive for covid 10 days ago. They were both slightly ill for a couple of days and now feel fine. I’m not sure why but one thing I do know is the media and government are blowing this virus out of all proportion! Something is not right. Obviously people are dying but are they dying with covid or from covid? Have never liked this death 28 days after a positive test criteria, and the complete lack of transparency from the government. So you could get run over leaving the test centre does that count in the figure? Who knows Does it exist yes, do I know anyone who has had it and known they had it at the time, no. So personally I have not seen first hand the impact of it." You know they produce stats for those that died between 29-60 days too, all in the numbers not just the 28 days and under | |||
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"I have, I originally thought lock downs had little effect but I think we have enough examples now where lockdown has quickly brought the infection rate down. I now believe they are effective." I can also put my hands up to similar thinking and a change. Even though I work first hand with devastating effects of lockdown I now accept given the last 6 months and the shit state of affairs these last few weeks we have no choice but to lockdown. K also think we have done it far to late sadly. KJ | |||
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"Obviously we have had many threads started or contributed to by covid sceptic's. Let's not go down the conspiracy theory discussion again. What I would like to know, if anyone is brave enough to come forward and admit that they have changed their minds completely and now understand the danger of covid? Alternatively has anyone gone the other way? " No, my opinion is the same, have taken this virus very seriously from the start. Due to a very ill family member. Sadly lost that family member when she caught covid from being in hospital. Died alone without family by her side. Alough she was ill, her life was cut short by covid. | |||
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"Here's my view, you socially distance at an airport but then sit in a crowded aircraft I socially distance and wear a mask (uniqlo have highly rated ones) but some situations do leave me puzzled
Because when you are on a plane you can be traced to those people on your flight should an out break was to appear."My point wasn't to do with an out break on a plane, it was to take a situation and place it into perspective, because going from slowing the spread to increasing the spread could have myself and others wonder is social distancing and wearing a mask worth it. | |||
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"It's difficult to avoid reacting to personal experience but if you shut all that out and look at the vast amounts of available high level data in the public domain from highly reputable sources such as WHO, ONS etc you don't really need to be a professional data analyst to see that it is reasonably serious (as in the 1918 flu epidemic was probably around 250 times more serious (medically speaking and that was really tame compared to black death that killed 60% of the population!) but on the other hand there have been statistically significant changes in death rates), but the response has been inappropriate and in times to come I'm fairly sure this will be textbook stuff on how NOT to respond to a crisis and remembered as a financial and governmental disaster, not a medical one. However, that doesn't count as a reason not to stay within the law! Looking on the bright side our children may not be as wealthy and privileged as we were (on average), but at least they'll be alive and healthy - which is not something you could have said with any certainty in 1918 and you'd have been mad to even hope for that in 1535! " You’re talking about three completely different ages though. Perhaps if you want to compare the three events look at survival rates for the times. The easiest comparison is welfare, we have casualties for medival, ww1 and current conflicts... 1:1 was the ratio of dead to wounded in medieval conflicts, 1:12 for ww1 Tommy’s and 1:250 in modern warfare... medical advances, facilities etc have massively improved and altered likely outcomes. It’s the same for treating pandemic patients in each age. There’s a very strong case that covid-19 is more devastating than the previous two events, it has global reach which the others didn’t, it is far from over and when eventually we have enough data and insight to see it’s impact on the poorest nations in the world we may then understand it’s true scale. Without our medicine... we’d have over 250,000 deaths by now with no sign of the virus easing up. We don’t know how future mutations will affect our fatality rates or indeed vacinne hopes so I think we are wise not to dumb down covid-19 just yet. | |||
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"I thought it was just like flu , that’s until my Mrs got it... OMG she has been poorly. " I'm not disputing that fact but have you ever seen anyone with flu? They are really poorly. Only ever known 2 people with the flu and they couldn't get out of bed. They seriously were very poorly | |||
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"Good points but both those pandemics were global, the entire world population is pretty much immune to both now. re the last para actually 1.9 million have already died with (not necessarily of) it. If you only meant UK then that's a hard number to believe given that there are only 3M confirmed cases and the vast majority never get anywhere near a hospital! Data is pretty poor though, apparently 1.5M of our cases are still active, which cannot possibly be true in reality so you'd have to assume that probably just means that they've not been tested since. Obviously there's also the vast army who have had it but were never tested, pretty sure that includes me." The world population is not immune to either H1N1 influenza (the 1918 pandemic strain) or Yersinia pestis (the causal organism of the Black Death aka bubonic plague). H1N1 flu went pandemic in 2009/10 (remember swine flu?) and the high rate of mutation in influenza viruses mean that once a flu season is over, the next one will involve sufficiently different genetic variants that we are just as susceptible again. That's why the flu vaccine is amended every year. Yersinia pestis is a bacterial infection. It is still prevalent in Central Europe/Eurasia, parts of Africa including Madagascar and in North America. There are two main reasons far fewer people die of it. The first is simple - antibiotics. If we'd had antibiotics in the 1300s and 1600s, there'd have been no global pandemic at all. The second is that ecosystem loss around the world has lead to a decline in the animal species that host the fleas which carry the disease. | |||
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"The thing that now concerns me more is the fact about the Pfizer vaccine. The manufacturer and the uk government hailed it as a breakthrough and gave specific information in it's regard. Storage, delivery and administration. However, the government has gone against the instructions from the manufacturer and against the advice of the WHO and took the 2nd injection from 3 weeks to 12 weeks. If either the manufacturer or the WHO had backed that decision, I'd be content but they definitely haven't. So, no Pfizer jab for me. " Are they actually extending the time bwtween jabs for the Pfizer one though? I know someone who has already had thier seconds dose, 2 more due it on the 21st, already have it confirmed, seems to me although government are saying one thing NHS are sticking to the 3 weeks | |||
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"Good points but both those pandemics were global, the entire world population is pretty much immune to both now. re the last para actually 1.9 million have already died with (not necessarily of) it. If you only meant UK then that's a hard number to believe given that there are only 3M confirmed cases and the vast majority never get anywhere near a hospital! Data is pretty poor though, apparently 1.5M of our cases are still active, which cannot possibly be true in reality so you'd have to assume that probably just means that they've not been tested since. Obviously there's also the vast army who have had it but were never tested, pretty sure that includes me." We’ve had 250k critical care covid admissions in the U.K. during this pandemic. The point I was making is even in 1918 we would have lost the majority of these. Ventilation, steroids, blood therapy etc was not an option then. I think it’s the great failure of any of these posts is the lack of understanding surrounding “those who live”, the effort expended keeping them alive, their long term issues which will be there for the remainder of their lives. It’s the same as say Afghanistan... a mere 400 odd KIA’s for the British army but the conflict created more limbless British soldiers than the entirety of the Battle of the Somme. Using death tolls in isolation tells us nothing of the seriousness of the virus, it also disguises the true potential for disaster should the medical intervention we offer be compromised. | |||
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"I haven't because I like to look at the evidence before making up my mind. I saw the news saying the hospital beds are almost full but if you check the figures from official sources the bed occupancy is at its lowest since 2012, maybe longer but thats how far the numbers went back. I believe there was a virus but it's not as infectious as they say and dangerous to elderly and people with underlying health problems. I also believe Covid has been used to distract people from the economy in particular the Repo market crash in September 2019. " So why have London said it's an emergency and hospitals are saying they are at breaking point? | |||
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"The thing that now concerns me more is the fact about the Pfizer vaccine. The manufacturer and the uk government hailed it as a breakthrough and gave specific information in it's regard. Storage, delivery and administration. However, the government has gone against the instructions from the manufacturer and against the advice of the WHO and took the 2nd injection from 3 weeks to 12 weeks. If either the manufacturer or the WHO had backed that decision, I'd be content but they definitely haven't. So, no Pfizer jab for me. Are they actually extending the time bwtween jabs for the Pfizer one though? I know someone who has already had thier seconds dose, 2 more due it on the 21st, already have it confirmed, seems to me although government are saying one thing NHS are sticking to the 3 weeks" My first and second doses are booked in 11 weeks apart automatically | |||
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"The thing that now concerns me more is the fact about the Pfizer vaccine. The manufacturer and the uk government hailed it as a breakthrough and gave specific information in it's regard. Storage, delivery and administration. However, the government has gone against the instructions from the manufacturer and against the advice of the WHO and took the 2nd injection from 3 weeks to 12 weeks. If either the manufacturer or the WHO had backed that decision, I'd be content but they definitely haven't. So, no Pfizer jab for me. Are they actually extending the time bwtween jabs for the Pfizer one though? I know someone who has already had thier seconds dose, 2 more due it on the 21st, already have it confirmed, seems to me although government are saying one thing NHS are sticking to the 3 weeks My first and second doses are booked in 11 weeks apart automatically " Have you had the Pfizer one? | |||
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"A friend of mine is in his 60s and has bad copd,his wife was given a year to live a while ago and they both tested positive for covid 10 days ago. They were both slightly ill for a couple of days and now feel fine. I’m not sure why but one thing I do know is the media and government are blowing this virus out of all proportion! Something is not right. Obviously people are dying but are they dying with covid or from covid? "   I would say it's actually the complete opposite. It's massively downplayed... there is lots of things not released to keep the public calm. Let's face it look how everyone behaved with the toilet roll.
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" So why have London said it's an emergency and hospitals are saying they are at breaking point?" Well it may be that they're running out of nurses as they've all left to join agencies where they get more money and can control their working hours and avoid being overworked due to the H&S working hours law loophole that allows employers to beast anyone in a job that requires 24hr operation. That's a bit speculative but if it's happened in one hospital as I've been told.... So much smoke and mirrors involved - e.g. statements like "40% of the people in hospital have C19" might mean that the hospital is being overrun with them, or it might mean that they've cancelled every routine admission and the hospital is actually almost empty! You need to look really carefully at the wording of everything the CMO, Govt, etc say these days, almost all of it could be interpreted 2 ways. And if politicians are not being explicit then you can generally be fairly sure that the less obvious interpretation is closer to the truth. | |||
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"I haven't because I like to look at the evidence before making up my mind. I saw the news saying the hospital beds are almost full but if you check the figures from official sources the bed occupancy is at its lowest since 2012, maybe longer but thats how far the numbers went back. I believe there was a virus but it's not as infectious as they say and dangerous to elderly and people with underlying health problems. I also believe Covid has been used to distract people from the economy in particular the Repo market crash in September 2019. So why have London said it's an emergency and hospitals are saying they are at breaking point?" They have said the same thing every year since 2012 go and check the headlines for previous years. Then go and check the official bed occupancy rates. | |||
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"I haven't because I like to look at the evidence before making up my mind. I saw the news saying the hospital beds are almost full but if you check the figures from official sources the bed occupancy is at its lowest since 2012, maybe longer but thats how far the numbers went back. I believe there was a virus but it's not as infectious as they say and dangerous to elderly and people with underlying health problems. I also believe Covid has been used to distract people from the economy in particular the Repo market crash in September 2019. So why have London said it's an emergency and hospitals are saying they are at breaking point? They have said the same thing every year since 2012 go and check the headlines for previous years. Then go and check the official bed occupancy rates." Tbh I'm really not sure what to say I thought the only precedents were the terrorist attacks? | |||
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" So why have London said it's an emergency and hospitals are saying they are at breaking point? Well it may be that they're running out of nurses as they've all left to join agencies where they get more money and can control their working hours and avoid being overworked due to the H&S working hours law loophole that allows employers to beast anyone in a job that requires 24hr operation. That's a bit speculative but if it's happened in one hospital as I've been told.... So much smoke and mirrors involved - e.g. statements like "40% of the people in hospital have C19" might mean that the hospital is being overrun with them, or it might mean that they've cancelled every routine admission and the hospital is actually almost empty! You need to look really carefully at the wording of everything the CMO, Govt, etc say these days, almost all of it could be interpreted 2 ways. And if politicians are not being explicit then you can generally be fairly sure that the less obvious interpretation is closer to the truth." I think the fact that they are shipping patients from London to liverpool would perhaps suggest they arent empty? Though I agree about understaffing | |||
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"I'm sat at home on the fence with it all wife is a nurse and there 14 covid positive patients in icu that's one hospital out of 3 in the city with a population of 550,000 so I struggle to believe the news or the government I think there is a lot more to it than they are letting on " 1) What's was the capacity of that ICU now? 2) What was the capacity of the ICU prior to the pandemic? 3) Do you and your wife believe that sick Covid patients are only to be found on ICU wards? | |||
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"The capacity on that ward is 16 like I said I'm on the fence I believe it exist, is serious just when you look into a lot of the companies involved in the medical supplies,test centres, ect they is always a dirty trail of money, " Someone's got to supply the equipment! Are people really more concerned about who the government is buying mask's from than the fact that our death toll is moving very quickly towards the 100k. How many deaths is required to make people say "Oh shit this is actually quite serious" | |||
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"The capacity on that ward is 16 like I said I'm on the fence I believe it exist, is serious just when you look into a lot of the companies involved in the medical supplies,test centres, ect they is always a dirty trail of money, " People will always make money of a crises..just look at Reece mogg | |||
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"The capacity on that ward is 16 like I said I'm on the fence I believe it exist, is serious just when you look into a lot of the companies involved in the medical supplies,test centres, ect they is always a dirty trail of money, Someone's got to supply the equipment! Are people really more concerned about who the government is buying mask's from than the fact that our death toll is moving very quickly towards the 100k. How many deaths is required to make people say "Oh shit this is actually quite serious" " I think the ppe thing is an utter scandal But it doesnt detract from how serious it is. | |||
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"Dont forget 47 million have survived covid....still dont know any one who has had it ..." Ok two points. The fact people are surviving is good in fact brilliant and hallelujah. But it's still killing many others and making many more seriously ill. Second. Are you saying that because you don't know anyone that has had it,it doesn't exist? If so there's a million and one thing's you can apply that logic too. For example I don't know anyone who can juggle,does this mean juggling is a lie? | |||
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"The capacity on that ward is 16 like I said I'm on the fence I believe it exist, is serious just when you look into a lot of the companies involved in the medical supplies,test centres, ect they is always a dirty trail of money, " So because there's a trail of filthy money (and there may well be) that means that covid isn't running out of control and killing 1000 people a day with some hospitals being overloaded? | |||
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"I'm not denying that it potentially is serious I've just not found any hard facts on the figures to believe so, still no total death rate for 2019 available to Compare to previous years and Considering 40,000 people in the UK die from sepsis every year and no national lockdown for that " Death rates for most european countries can be found at euromomo. | |||
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"I'm not denying that it potentially is serious I've just not found any hard facts on the figures to believe so, still no total death rate for 2019 available to Compare to previous years and Considering 40,000 people in the UK die from sepsis every year and no national lockdown for that " If you look at ons you’ll find the previous years official death stats, reasons etc aren’t released until around June the following year. It takes time for all deaths to be confirmed and the reasons why and then build the analysis, put it in context, you are looking for | |||
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"I'm not denying that it potentially is serious I've just not found any hard facts on the figures to believe so, still no total death rate for 2019 available to Compare to previous years and Considering 40,000 people in the UK die from sepsis every year and no national lockdown for that " Unbelievable | |||
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"The thing that now concerns me more is the fact about the Pfizer vaccine. The manufacturer and the uk government hailed it as a breakthrough and gave specific information in it's regard. Storage, delivery and administration. However, the government has gone against the instructions from the manufacturer and against the advice of the WHO and took the 2nd injection from 3 weeks to 12 weeks. If either the manufacturer or the WHO had backed that decision, I'd be content but they definitely haven't. So, no Pfizer jab for me. Are they actually extending the time bwtween jabs for the Pfizer one though? I know someone who has already had thier seconds dose, 2 more due it on the 21st, already have it confirmed, seems to me although government are saying one thing NHS are sticking to the 3 weeks" Well there's quite a lot of people on here who say it's perfectly ok. But, tbf, they're experts of course. | |||
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"I'm not denying that it potentially is serious I've just not found any hard facts on the figures to believe so, still no total death rate for 2019 available to Compare to previous years and Considering 40,000 people in the UK die from sepsis every year and no national lockdown for that Unbelievable" What is? | |||
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"I'm not denying that it potentially is serious I've just not found any hard facts on the figures to believe so, still no total death rate for 2019 available to Compare to previous years and Considering 40,000 people in the UK die from sepsis every year and no national lockdown for that Unbelievable What is? " You two sound like obvious candidates for the front line. There are some right dickheads about aren't there? | |||
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"I'm not denying that it potentially is serious I've just not found any hard facts on the figures to believe so, still no total death rate for 2019 available to Compare to previous years and Considering 40,000 people in the UK die from sepsis every year and no national lockdown for that " Is sepsis contagious? | |||
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"I'm not denying that it potentially is serious I've just not found any hard facts on the figures to believe so, still no total death rate for 2019 available to Compare to previous years and Considering 40,000 people in the UK die from sepsis every year and no national lockdown for that " You don't believe the Office for National Statistics who publish all the deaths data? And 2019 is all published for you to read. Do you believe in there being oxygen and nitrogen and carbon dioxide etc in the air around you? You can't see that either, but it's damn well there. Just because you cannot see something or you do not observe it with your own eyes, does not mean it does not exist. To choose a favourite animal of a forum user - I've never seen a Great White shark, but I'm very confident that they exist! | |||
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"Obviously we have had many threads started or contributed to by covid sceptic's. Let's not go down the conspiracy theory discussion again. What I would like to know, if anyone is brave enough to come forward and admit that they have changed their minds completely and now understand the danger of covid? Alternatively has anyone gone the other way? You would have to be blind and wearing eye-patches and dark glasses with a hood over your head to believe this is all fake." Whilst riding a motorbike | |||
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"I havnt changed my mind about the virus just doing what I've always done to try to stay safe. But nearly 10 mths down the line the government still havnt got it under control. I dnt think its a case of not getting it but when. So I keep healthy take supplements and hope for the best" I second that in all aspects | |||
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"Obviously we have had many threads started or contributed to by covid sceptic's. Let's not go down the conspiracy theory discussion again. What I would like to know, if anyone is brave enough to come forward and admit that they have changed their minds completely and now understand the danger of covid? Alternatively has anyone gone the other way? " I have not changed my opinion, it still think we have got it all wrong. Let nature take is course. | |||
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"Obviously we have had many threads started or contributed to by covid sceptic's. Let's not go down the conspiracy theory discussion again. What I would like to know, if anyone is brave enough to come forward and admit that they have changed their minds completely and now understand the danger of covid? Alternatively has anyone gone the other way? I have not changed my opinion, it still think we have got it all wrong. Let nature take is course." Let’s remind you of that at what ever point in your life you need any sort of medical intervention be it an antibiotics or a heart bypass, you just say no, let nature take its course fella. | |||
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"I havnt changed my mind about the virus just doing what I've always done to try to stay safe. But nearly 10 mths down the line the government still havnt got it under control. I dnt think its a case of not getting it but when. So I keep healthy take supplements and hope for the best" I think it’s a case that thanks to restrictions we have slowed transmission and given time such some who would otherwise have otherwise died will get the vaccine and be protected.. sadly recent events means this numbers ultimately saved from death or serious injury is now going to be far fewer than it could have been | |||
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"I'm not denying that it potentially is serious I've just not found any hard facts on the figures to believe so, still no total death rate for 2019 available to Compare to previous years and Considering 40,000 people in the UK die from sepsis every year and no national lockdown for that You don't believe the Office for National Statistics who publish all the deaths data? And 2019 is all published for you to read. Do you believe in there being oxygen and nitrogen and carbon dioxide etc in the air around you? You can't see that either, but it's damn well there. Just because you cannot see something or you do not observe it with your own eyes, does not mean it does not exist. To choose a favourite animal of a forum user - I've never seen a Great White shark, but I'm very confident that they exist!" | |||
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"Dont forget 47 million have survived covid....still dont know any one who has had it ..." You were sceptical and remain sceptical, in other words? Likewise flight man, who remains sceptical because people sit near to each other on the flight, despite having to wear masks as they would in public places on the ground and mandatory negative test results needed before flying etc. I thought this thread was about those that were sceptical and changed their mind. | |||
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"It's difficult to avoid reacting to personal experience but if you shut all that out and look at the vast amounts of available high level data in the public domain from highly reputable sources such as WHO, ONS etc you don't really need to be a professional data analyst to see that it is reasonably serious (as in the 1918 flu epidemic was probably around 250 times more serious (medically speaking and that was really tame compared to black death that killed 60% of the population!) but on the other hand there have been statistically significant changes in death rates), but the response has been inappropriate and in times to come I'm fairly sure this will be textbook stuff on how NOT to respond to a crisis and remembered as a financial and governmental disaster, not a medical one. However, that doesn't count as a reason not to stay within the law! Looking on the bright side our children may not be as wealthy and privileged as we were (on average), but at least they'll be alive and healthy - which is not something you could have said with any certainty in 1918 and you'd have been mad to even hope for that in 1535! You’re talking about three completely different ages though. Perhaps if you want to compare the three events look at survival rates for the times. The easiest comparison is welfare, we have casualties for medival, ww1 and current conflicts... 1:1 was the ratio of dead to wounded in medieval conflicts, 1:12 for ww1 Tommy’s and 1:250 in modern warfare... medical advances, facilities etc have massively improved and altered likely outcomes. It’s the same for treating pandemic patients in each age. There’s a very strong case that covid-19 is more devastating than the previous two events, it has global reach which the others didn’t, it is far from over and when eventually we have enough data and insight to see it’s impact on the poorest nations in the world we may then understand it’s true scale. Without our medicine... we’d have over 250,000 deaths by now with no sign of the virus easing up. We don’t know how future mutations will affect our fatality rates or indeed vacinne hopes so I think we are wise not to dumb down covid-19 just yet. " The black death (bubonic plague) that killed 60% population still exists but thanks to modern medicine (antibiotics), deaths would be minimal nowadays. This would back up your warfare survival rates. It is very hard to compare previous outbreaks from history. | |||
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"A friend of mine is in his 60s and has bad copd,his wife was given a year to live a while ago and they both tested positive for covid 10 days ago. They were both slightly ill for a couple of days and now feel fine. I’m not sure why but one thing I do know is the media and government are blowing this virus out of all proportion! Something is not right. Obviously people are dying but are they dying with covid or from covid? It’s good your friends pulled through, there is no rhyme or reason why some get it worst than others. I’ll give you an example... last Thursday a family friend felt exhausted, had his usual weekly test at work and it came back positive. Friday at home isolating complete lack of energy, by Saturday he was struggling to breathe, transferred to hospital Saturday evening straight into ICU. Got his blood pressure and breathing under control, 24 hrs later Sunday evening transferred to a ward, talking, eating still feeling tired but everything else under control. He died 4 hours later from a heart attack, early hours of Monday. So in my opinion not blown out of proportion at all, it’s out there, did he he die of covid or because of covid? you don’t know when it is going to strike or how it will effect you so do the one thing being asked and stay home where you have no valid reason to go out. " But as they will not do an Autopsy you will never know if he had an underlying heart condition also so you cannot attribute hos death to covid either! | |||
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"At 1st I believed Now ,, far to many inconsistencies to be just a virus ( the flu) Rules contradict eachother beyond belief Sorry but im not buying it anymore Im not denying theres a nasty strain of flu But if the government was so concerned about our health Smokin would have been banned long ago And one more thing More have and wiill die BECAUSE of covid Not from it" *Shakes head* | |||
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"I know multiple people that have it and had it. They described it like the flu. Probably atleasy 50 people old and young." I've had it. My personal experience is that it wasn't anything to be bothered about. It was incredibly mild. BUT I'm not everyone. It affects people so differently and so despite my personal experience, I know it's a serious issue. | |||
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"At 1st I believed Now ,, far to many inconsistencies to be just a virus ( the flu) Rules contradict eachother beyond belief Sorry but im not buying it anymore Im not denying theres a nasty strain of flu But if the government was so concerned about our health Smokin would have been banned long ago And one more thing More have and wiill die BECAUSE of covid Not from it *Shakes head* The government doesn't force people to smoke nor drink alcohol even though both are very dangerous at this time they both provide a health warning and eventually will kill but would it stop a person smoking or drinking alcohol some people don't even when they know they have a illness which is killing them " Right, ok. But what's that got to do with Covid? | |||
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"A friend of mine is in his 60s and has bad copd,his wife was given a year to live a while ago and they both tested positive for covid 10 days ago. They were both slightly ill for a couple of days and now feel fine. I’m not sure why but one thing I do know is the media and government are blowing this virus out of all proportion! Something is not right. Obviously people are dying but are they dying with covid or from covid? It’s good your friends pulled through, there is no rhyme or reason why some get it worst than others. I’ll give you an example... last Thursday a family friend felt exhausted, had his usual weekly test at work and it came back positive. Friday at home isolating complete lack of energy, by Saturday he was struggling to breathe, transferred to hospital Saturday evening straight into ICU. Got his blood pressure and breathing under control, 24 hrs later Sunday evening transferred to a ward, talking, eating still feeling tired but everything else under control. He died 4 hours later from a heart attack, early hours of Monday. So in my opinion not blown out of proportion at all, it’s out there, did he he die of covid or because of covid? you don’t know when it is going to strike or how it will effect you so do the one thing being asked and stay home where you have no valid reason to go out. But as they will not do an Autopsy you will never know if he had an underlying heart condition also so you cannot attribute hos death to covid either! " Well that’s where you are wrong, they are doing an autopsy | |||
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"At 1st I believed Now ,, far to many inconsistencies to be just a virus ( the flu) Rules contradict eachother beyond belief Sorry but im not buying it anymore Im not denying theres a nasty strain of flu But if the government was so concerned about our health Smokin would have been banned long ago And one more thing More have and wiill die BECAUSE of covid Not from it *Shakes head* The government doesn't force people to smoke nor drink alcohol even though both are very dangerous at this time they both provide a health warning and eventually will kill but would it stop a person smoking or drinking alcohol some people don't even when they know they have a illness which is killing them Right, ok. But what's that got to do with Covid? It affects the strongest part of the human body the immune system that helps fight off bacteria I myself am very healthy and I can go without any colds or flu for several years but when I do get a cold I get the full package for weeks or months and I still find inner strength to continue this virus began around September 2019 because just like myself and many others we felt very ill flu like symptoms mine lasted a month was ok few days then boom caught again my immune is a healthy one and a lot counts on what you eat rich foods herbs and spices have loads of purpose for the health benefits remember before medication we have now people didn't have that and through generations people are still doing it it's knowledge" Your right that a lot depends on your lifestyle and what you eat and such, but some viruses/diseases don't recognise lifestyle choices, think polio, smallpox, chickenpox among others that attacked all lifestyles and were only all but eradicated by mass immunisation. True covid so far mostly only effects the most vulnerable, but it is mutating at such speed and who knows what it will further bring, that the only answer again I think is mass immunisation | |||
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"At 1st I believed Now ,, far to many inconsistencies to be just a virus ( the flu) Rules contradict eachother beyond belief Sorry but im not buying it anymore Im not denying theres a nasty strain of flu But if the government was so concerned about our health Smokin would have been banned long ago And one more thing More have and wiill die BECAUSE of covid Not from it *Shakes head* The government doesn't force people to smoke nor drink alcohol even though both are very dangerous at this time they both provide a health warning and eventually will kill but would it stop a person smoking or drinking alcohol some people don't even when they know they have a illness which is killing them Right, ok. But what's that got to do with Covid? It affects the strongest part of the human body the immune system that helps fight off bacteria I myself am very healthy and I can go without any colds or flu for several years but when I do get a cold I get the full package for weeks or months and I still find inner strength to continue this virus began around September 2019 because just like myself and many others we felt very ill flu like symptoms mine lasted a month was ok few days then boom caught again my immune is a healthy one and a lot counts on what you eat rich foods herbs and spices have loads of purpose for the health benefits remember before medication we have now people didn't have that and through generations people are still doing it it's knowledge Your right that a lot depends on your lifestyle and what you eat and such, but some viruses/diseases don't recognise lifestyle choices, think polio, smallpox, chickenpox among others that attacked all lifestyles and were only all but eradicated by mass immunisation. True covid so far mostly only effects the most vulnerable, but it is mutating at such speed and who knows what it will further bring, that the only answer again I think is mass immunisation " I understand what you're saying but just like a majority of the population is on medication all these have long term illnesses which also kill so why it's controlling the symptoms of the illness it's creating another illness which can be far greater and eventually the body only relying on medication otherwise the individual dies many serious illnesses were created by medicine and passed on through generations that's why some are born with issues it's a known fact that medication damage the human body some people don't realise they don't need to continue taking them but have they tried without and without doctors permission | |||
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"At 1st I believed Now ,, far to many inconsistencies to be just a virus ( the flu) Rules contradict eachother beyond belief Sorry but im not buying it anymore Im not denying theres a nasty strain of flu But if the government was so concerned about our health Smokin would have been banned long ago And one more thing More have and wiill die BECAUSE of covid Not from it *Shakes head* The government doesn't force people to smoke nor drink alcohol even though both are very dangerous at this time they both provide a health warning and eventually will kill but would it stop a person smoking or drinking alcohol some people don't even when they know they have a illness which is killing them Right, ok. But what's that got to do with Covid? It affects the strongest part of the human body the immune system that helps fight off bacteria I myself am very healthy and I can go without any colds or flu for several years but when I do get a cold I get the full package for weeks or months and I still find inner strength to continue this virus began around September 2019 because just like myself and many others we felt very ill flu like symptoms mine lasted a month was ok few days then boom caught again my immune is a healthy one and a lot counts on what you eat rich foods herbs and spices have loads of purpose for the health benefits remember before medication we have now people didn't have that and through generations people are still doing it it's knowledge Your right that a lot depends on your lifestyle and what you eat and such, but some viruses/diseases don't recognise lifestyle choices, think polio, smallpox, chickenpox among others that attacked all lifestyles and were only all but eradicated by mass immunisation. True covid so far mostly only effects the most vulnerable, but it is mutating at such speed and who knows what it will further bring, that the only answer again I think is mass immunisation I understand what you're saying but just like a majority of the population is on medication all these have long term illnesses which also kill so why it's controlling the symptoms of the illness it's creating another illness which can be far greater and eventually the body only relying on medication otherwise the individual dies many serious illnesses were created by medicine and passed on through generations that's why some are born with issues it's a known fact that medication damage the human body some people don't realise they don't need to continue taking them but have they tried without and without doctors permission " Yeah the avoidance of taking any type of medication would be great but in this day and age not avoidable and I think mass vaccination has protected more lives than it has destroyed. Unfortunately over periods of time in our history, for millenniums peoples immune systems have been destroyed and I don't think this has soley been the cause of medication | |||
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"At 1st I believed Now ,, far to many inconsistencies to be just a virus ( the flu) Rules contradict eachother beyond belief Sorry but im not buying it anymore Im not denying theres a nasty strain of flu But if the government was so concerned about our health Smokin would have been banned long ago And one more thing More have and wiill die BECAUSE of covid Not from it *Shakes head* The government doesn't force people to smoke nor drink alcohol even though both are very dangerous at this time they both provide a health warning and eventually will kill but would it stop a person smoking or drinking alcohol some people don't even when they know they have a illness which is killing them Right, ok. But what's that got to do with Covid? It affects the strongest part of the human body the immune system that helps fight off bacteria I myself am very healthy and I can go without any colds or flu for several years but when I do get a cold I get the full package for weeks or months and I still find inner strength to continue this virus began around September 2019 because just like myself and many others we felt very ill flu like symptoms mine lasted a month was ok few days then boom caught again my immune is a healthy one and a lot counts on what you eat rich foods herbs and spices have loads of purpose for the health benefits remember before medication we have now people didn't have that and through generations people are still doing it it's knowledge Your right that a lot depends on your lifestyle and what you eat and such, but some viruses/diseases don't recognise lifestyle choices, think polio, smallpox, chickenpox among others that attacked all lifestyles and were only all but eradicated by mass immunisation. True covid so far mostly only effects the most vulnerable, but it is mutating at such speed and who knows what it will further bring, that the only answer again I think is mass immunisation I understand what you're saying but just like a majority of the population is on medication all these have long term illnesses which also kill so why it's controlling the symptoms of the illness it's creating another illness which can be far greater and eventually the body only relying on medication otherwise the individual dies many serious illnesses were created by medicine and passed on through generations that's why some are born with issues it's a known fact that medication damage the human body some people don't realise they don't need to continue taking them but have they tried without and without doctors permission Yeah the avoidance of taking any type of medication would be great but in this day and age not avoidable and I think mass vaccination has protected more lives than it has destroyed. Unfortunately over periods of time in our history, for millenniums peoples immune systems have been destroyed and I don't think this has soley been the cause of medication " The pharmaceutical industry is a billion or even trillion pound market if people weren't made to continue taking medication when it was unnecessary without knowing it wouldn't be as huge as it is yet it causes more deaths then those who have an addiction to drugs alcohol or smoking and things like turmeric which has huge medical purposes when found was used by hospitals in surgery on a patient it's not just a anti-inflammatory but a very useful herb that the human body needs as for lifestyle of the human population it's all about balance knowing your balance as just like anything it's going to make you unwell it's having the correct proportion people lack knowledge not all but many and need to look back to understand rather than what's Infront | |||
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"At 1st I believed Now ,, far to many inconsistencies to be just a virus ( the flu) Rules contradict eachother beyond belief Sorry but im not buying it anymore Im not denying theres a nasty strain of flu But if the government was so concerned about our health Smokin would have been banned long ago And one more thing More have and wiill die BECAUSE of covid Not from it *Shakes head* The government doesn't force people to smoke nor drink alcohol even though both are very dangerous at this time they both provide a health warning and eventually will kill but would it stop a person smoking or drinking alcohol some people don't even when they know they have a illness which is killing them Right, ok. But what's that got to do with Covid? It affects the strongest part of the human body the immune system that helps fight off bacteria I myself am very healthy and I can go without any colds or flu for several years but when I do get a cold I get the full package for weeks or months and I still find inner strength to continue this virus began around September 2019 because just like myself and many others we felt very ill flu like symptoms mine lasted a month was ok few days then boom caught again my immune is a healthy one and a lot counts on what you eat rich foods herbs and spices have loads of purpose for the health benefits remember before medication we have now people didn't have that and through generations people are still doing it it's knowledge Your right that a lot depends on your lifestyle and what you eat and such, but some viruses/diseases don't recognise lifestyle choices, think polio, smallpox, chickenpox among others that attacked all lifestyles and were only all but eradicated by mass immunisation. True covid so far mostly only effects the most vulnerable, but it is mutating at such speed and who knows what it will further bring, that the only answer again I think is mass immunisation I understand what you're saying but just like a majority of the population is on medication all these have long term illnesses which also kill so why it's controlling the symptoms of the illness it's creating another illness which can be far greater and eventually the body only relying on medication otherwise the individual dies many serious illnesses were created by medicine and passed on through generations that's why some are born with issues it's a known fact that medication damage the human body some people don't realise they don't need to continue taking them but have they tried without and without doctors permission Yeah the avoidance of taking any type of medication would be great but in this day and age not avoidable and I think mass vaccination has protected more lives than it has destroyed. Unfortunately over periods of time in our history, for millenniums peoples immune systems have been destroyed and I don't think this has soley been the cause of medication The pharmaceutical industry is a billion or even trillion pound market if people weren't made to continue taking medication when it was unnecessary without knowing it wouldn't be as huge as it is yet it causes more deaths then those who have an addiction to drugs alcohol or smoking and things like turmeric which has huge medical purposes when found was used by hospitals in surgery on a patient it's not just a anti-inflammatory but a very useful herb that the human body needs as for lifestyle of the human population it's all about balance knowing your balance as just like anything it's going to make you unwell it's having the correct proportion people lack knowledge not all but many and need to look back to understand rather than what's Infront" Yeah a natural remedy and things like tumeric are great, but some of these natural remedies need to be taken in such huge amounts that the benefits are not always seen. It would be great if everyone could stick to natural remedies other than a doctors medication but in this day and age the doctors remedy is often unavoidable. True pharmaceutical companies are out to make the big buck, but all medication recommendation as viable to doctors are first passed by an independent organisation using stringent tests. It is just part of life nowadays that some have to rely on medication to survive. I don't think this is part of one huge conspiracy | |||
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"I havnt changed my mind about the virus just doing what I've always done to try to stay safe. But nearly 10 mths down the line the government still havnt got it under control. I dnt think its a case of not getting it but when. So I keep healthy take supplements and hope for the best I've been quite critical of government response but does this thread and the comments by some not illustrate just how difficult it would be for any UK government to get it under control?! The mind boggles at some of the responses. " If the government had acted when they first heard about it. All borders should have been closed. No one in . No one out. Then no need for people coming back and self isolating which most never did. That was the first big mistake and start of the spread. I said it then I stand by it. We are not strict enough. Our police have no enforcement. They are not 100% to blame but that would have helped. The rest is found to the idiots who have a mind of their own and refuse to believe its real. Until we all realise it is our lives will continue in lockdowns till we get a grip of this pandemic | |||
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"I've always been sceptical by people like Nostradamus and none that he wrote has ever fazed me to predict the future many years ahead and be so accurate when one of his books were published in year 2000 was limited edition things I read back then surprised me within same week hearing it on the news even now this virus and ongoings with Donald trump at this moment in time it's all listed re the election but it strange to have a movie like contagion that was made few years earlier with this actually virus that we have now as the saying goes stranger then fiction" So because a film was made about a predictable event - an epidemic - you are a sceptic/denier of the Sars-Cov-2 truths? | |||
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" Australia's death count is under 30,000 and that's from a nation with many many more millions than Britain has. The only reason Britain is in this covid position is because of this inept and useless government. But Boris is learning he is at Las bringing in some sort of border control. Only took a year for it to register with him hahahahahaha" Australia has only had 909 deaths from about 28,000 cases of covid. Australia has a population of 25 1/2 million people so is over less of the population of Great Britain. It is also it much larger country in land mass compared to our country. They also contained it in areas by complete lockdown and travel bans between states and enforced it. Also the block of flats where the residents couldn’t leave as they had police outside. They also followed the rules a lot better than we did. It is also a lot further to travel to from other countries so easier for them to police their land borders. Yes we could of handled this a lot better but hard when some people can not follow common sense and basic respect for the health and welfare of other people. | |||
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"The thing that now concerns me more is the fact about the Pfizer vaccine. The manufacturer and the uk government hailed it as a breakthrough and gave specific information in it's regard. Storage, delivery and administration. However, the government has gone against the instructions from the manufacturer and against the advice of the WHO and took the 2nd injection from 3 weeks to 12 weeks. If either the manufacturer or the WHO had backed that decision, I'd be content but they definitely haven't. So, no Pfizer jab for me. Are they actually extending the time bwtween jabs for the Pfizer one though? I know someone who has already had thier seconds dose, 2 more due it on the 21st, already have it confirmed, seems to me although government are saying one thing NHS are sticking to the 3 weeks My first and second doses are booked in 11 weeks apart automatically Have you had the Pfizer one?" I haven't had it yet, I'm not sure which one I will be getting, I would assume with the auto generating of the appointments it's the Oxford one? | |||
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"A friend of mine is in his 60s and has bad copd,his wife was given a year to live a while ago and they both tested positive for covid 10 days ago. They were both slightly ill for a days and now feel fine. I’m not sure why but one thing I do know is the media and government are blowing this virus out of all proportion! Something is not right. Obviously people are dying but are they dying with covid or from covid? people are dying with covid not as many are dying from covid as they make you believe. also virus does exist but indeed blown out of proportion by the media and governement. it might sound harsh but we are supposed to die we are creepling the economy, the future and life of young peoples to try and save peoples that have already lived their life. i would be happy to pass if i ever get to 80+ death is part of life and can not be stopped fact. " Do we stop giving medical care to the elderly now and at what point do we call elderly, 80,70,60,50.All these ages seem old if you are young enough, and why just for covid Will we get to the point of just pushing road victims to the side of the road. My point is we cant just draw a line and say some death are acceptable we must care for everybody because by somebody's definition we will all be on the wrong side of the line at some time | |||
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"I'm not denying that it potentially is serious I've just not found any hard facts on the figures to believe so, still no total death rate for 2019 available to Compare to previous years and Considering 40,000 people in the UK die from sepsis every year and no national lockdown for that You don't believe the Office for National Statistics who publish all the deaths data? And 2019 is all published for you to read. Do you believe in there being oxygen and nitrogen and carbon dioxide etc in the air around you? You can't see that either, but it's damn well there. Just because you cannot see something or you do not observe it with your own eyes, does not mean it does not exist. To choose a favourite animal of a forum user - I've never seen a Great White shark, but I'm very confident that they exist!" Great White Sharks rule! Amazing predators which pre date trees
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"Australia's death count is under 30,000 and that's from a nation with many many more millions than Britain has. The only reason "Britain is in this covid position is because of this inept and useless government. But Boris is learning he is at Las bringing in some sort of border control. Only took a year for it to register with him hahahahaha ha" Can i just ask what you mean by 'from a nation with many many more millions than Britain has' "Australia's death count is under 30,000 and that's from a nation with many many more millions than Britain has" Population of Australia is 25.5 million thats almost a third of the populatin of Britain spread over a far larger land mass, not a good comparison in my opinion and factually incorrect Just saying " Thank you.. I asked similar in a different way. | |||
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"Is there a way that all over-70s could be put in camps? Beyond the outer limits of towns, cities and villages? Supplies could be dropped in by helicopter. Someone on twitter suggested they could be called 'Olditz'." Perhaps suggest interment centres or concentration camps | |||
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"At 1st I believed Now ,, far to many inconsistencies to be just a virus ( the flu) Rules contradict eachother beyond belief Sorry but im not buying it anymore Im not denying theres a nasty strain of flu But if the government was so concerned about our health Smokin would have been banned long ago And one more thing More have and wiill die BECAUSE of covid Not from it *Shakes head* The government doesn't force people to smoke nor drink alcohol even though both are very dangerous at this time they both provide a health warning and eventually will kill but would it stop a person smoking or drinking alcohol some people don't even when they know they have a illness which is killing them Right, ok. But what's that got to do with Covid? It affects the strongest part of the human body the immune system that helps fight off bacteria I myself am very healthy and I can go without any colds or flu for several years but when I do get a cold I get the full package for weeks or months and I still find inner strength to continue this virus began around September 2019 because just like myself and many others we felt very ill flu like symptoms mine lasted a month was ok few days then boom caught again my immune is a healthy one and a lot counts on what you eat rich foods herbs and spices have loads of purpose for the health benefits remember before medication we have now people didn't have that and through generations people are still doing it it's knowledge Your right that a lot depends on your lifestyle and what you eat and such, but some viruses/diseases don't recognise lifestyle choices, think polio, smallpox, chickenpox among others that attacked all lifestyles and were only all but eradicated by mass immunisation. True covid so far mostly only effects the most vulnerable, but it is mutating at such speed and who knows what it will further bring, that the only answer again I think is mass immunisation I understand what you're saying but just like a majority of the population is on medication all these have long term illnesses which also kill so why it's controlling the symptoms of the illness it's creating another illness which can be far greater and eventually the body only relying on medication otherwise the individual dies many serious illnesses were created by medicine and passed on through generations that's why some are born with issues it's a known fact that medication damage the human body some people don't realise they don't need to continue taking them but have they tried without and without doctors permission Yeah the avoidance of taking any type of medication would be great but in this day and age not avoidable and I think mass vaccination has protected more lives than it has destroyed. Unfortunately over periods of time in our history, for millenniums peoples immune systems have been destroyed and I don't think this has soley been the cause of medication The pharmaceutical industry is a billion or even trillion pound market if people weren't made to continue taking medication when it was unnecessary without knowing it wouldn't be as huge as it is yet it causes more deaths then those who have an addiction to drugs alcohol or smoking and things like turmeric which has huge medical purposes when found was used by hospitals in surgery on a patient it's not just a anti-inflammatory but a very useful herb that the human body needs as for lifestyle of the human population it's all about balance knowing your balance as just like anything it's going to make you unwell it's having the correct proportion people lack knowledge not all but many and need to look back to understand rather than what's Infront Yeah a natural remedy and things like tumeric are great, but some of these natural remedies need to be taken in such huge amounts that the benefits are not always seen. It would be great if everyone could stick to natural remedies other than a doctors medication but in this day and age the doctors remedy is often unavoidable. True pharmaceutical companies are out to make the big buck, but all medication recommendation as viable to doctors are first passed by an independent organisation using stringent tests. It is just part of life nowadays that some have to rely on medication to survive. I don't think this is part of one huge conspiracy " Too be honest with you herbal remedies are more powerful than medication itself but just like medication you have to be careful as you can still overdose plus your body absorbs it much easier most medicine is coated with film to make it easier to swallow which again can be harmful to the health but covid19 is here and it's best to be careful as a lesson learnt | |||
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"Is there a way that all over-70s could be put in camps? Beyond the outer limits of towns, cities and villages? Supplies could be dropped in by helicopter. Someone on twitter suggested they could be called 'Olditz'. I've suggested similar a few times. It's weird how people get offended when it's presented in this way, yet they happily say the old and vulnerable should stay home and shield so everyone else can live normally. Are you guys for real?? These comments must be a piss take? If not and you genuinely believe that then there is something completely wrong with your moral compass. That's like saying errm I dunno... Let's stick all disabled people on an island to fend for themselves that way able bodied people can go on as normal. What the hell is wrong with people, are you trying to wind people up and get a response is that it? Oh for fucks sake of course I was joking. Sweet baby Jesus dial back on your rage. I think there's a time and place for jokes and this isn't the time, place and forum for that sort of joke that's only funny to you " It was a piss take out of those proposing locking up the over 70s. The fact it was called olditz would seem to point to that. But hey oh it was too subtle for the fab forums police. | |||
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"I agree, how can they give a true account of covid deaths when they're counting all deaths testing positive in the last 28 days. I would like to see death count of actual deaths from covid, I think its on ONS but I haven't had time to look Look people need to understand it like this. As I said on a previous thread. If you get shot and a bullet rips through your body causing organ failure and death. You died due to organ failure, but as a result of the bullet. Think of covid as a bullet causing catastrophic damage. It may not be the cause of death but death comes as a result of. In fact it's more like a grenade than a bullet but hopefully you get the point? Yes I get that, I'll say it again I GET THAT,That analogy does not work if a guy hits a wall on a motorbike and dies,it's not a covid death just because he tested positive 3 weeks earlier, he died because he hit a wall FFS Do you have 100% undeniable proof that this has happened or is it just hearsay and Karen on Facebook saying so? Ahhh the old Karen on Facebook bollox, I'm not on Facebook,your anologies are stupid beyond belief, I want to see figures of death from covid become public, not those 28 day bollox figures " OK ok, it's safe to say that somebody somewhere in uk died in a car crash yesterday would you agree? If this person tested positive 3 weeks earlier did they die of covid or the result of the car crash? | |||
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"I agree, how can they give a true account of covid deaths when they're counting all deaths testing positive in the last 28 days. I would like to see death count of actual deaths from covid, I think its on ONS but I haven't had time to look Look people need to understand it like this. As I said on a previous thread. If you get shot and a bullet rips through your body causing organ failure and death. You died due to organ failure, but as a result of the bullet. Think of covid as a bullet causing catastrophic damage. It may not be the cause of death but death comes as a result of. In fact it's more like a grenade than a bullet but hopefully you get the point? Yes I get that, I'll say it again I GET THAT,That analogy does not work if a guy hits a wall on a motorbike and dies,it's not a covid death just because he tested positive 3 weeks earlier, he died because he hit a wall FFS Do you have 100% undeniable proof that this has happened or is it just hearsay and Karen on Facebook saying so? Ahhh the old Karen on Facebook bollox, I'm not on Facebook,your anologies are stupid beyond belief, I want to see figures of death from covid become public, not those 28 day bollox figures " In real terms, what difference do you expect to see in the covid figures should the reporting be changed and why? Is it fair to say that you could die from Covid but if you didn’t have a positive test in the last 28 days - then you wouldn’t be marked as covid death either? | |||
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"I agree, how can they give a true account of covid deaths when they're counting all deaths testing positive in the last 28 days. I would like to see death count of actual deaths from covid, I think its on ONS but I haven't had time to look Look people need to understand it like this. As I said on a previous thread. If you get shot and a bullet rips through your body causing organ failure and death. You died due to organ failure, but as a result of the bullet. Think of covid as a bullet causing catastrophic damage. It may not be the cause of death but death comes as a result of. In fact it's more like a grenade than a bullet but hopefully you get the point? Yes I get that, I'll say it again I GET THAT,That analogy does not work if a guy hits a wall on a motorbike and dies,it's not a covid death just because he tested positive 3 weeks earlier, he died because he hit a wall FFS Do you have 100% undeniable proof that this has happened or is it just hearsay and Karen on Facebook saying so? Ahhh the old Karen on Facebook bollox, I'm not on Facebook,your anologies are stupid beyond belief, I want to see figures of death from covid become public, not those 28 day bollox figures In real terms, what difference do you expect to see in the covid figures should the reporting be changed and why? Is it fair to say that you could die from Covid but if you didn’t have a positive test in the last 28 days - then you wouldn’t be marked as covid death either? " How would you it's covid? Could be anything, it would be marked down a covid death, everything else seems to be | |||
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"I agree, how can they give a true account of covid deaths when they're counting all deaths testing positive in the last 28 days. I would like to see death count of actual deaths from covid, I think its on ONS but I haven't had time to look Look people need to understand it like this. As I said on a previous thread. If you get shot and a bullet rips through your body causing organ failure and death. You died due to organ failure, but as a result of the bullet. Think of covid as a bullet causing catastrophic damage. It may not be the cause of death but death comes as a result of. In fact it's more like a grenade than a bullet but hopefully you get the point? Yes I get that, I'll say it again I GET THAT,That analogy does not work if a guy hits a wall on a motorbike and dies,it's not a covid death just because he tested positive 3 weeks earlier, he died because he hit a wall FFS Do you have 100% undeniable proof that this has happened or is it just hearsay and Karen on Facebook saying so? Ahhh the old Karen on Facebook bollox, I'm not on Facebook,your anologies are stupid beyond belief, I want to see figures of death from covid become public, not those 28 day bollox figures In real terms, what difference do you expect to see in the covid figures should the reporting be changed and why? Is it fair to say that you could die from Covid but if you didn’t have a positive test in the last 28 days - then you wouldn’t be marked as covid death either? How would you it's covid? Could be anything, it would be marked down a covid death, everything else seems to be" And the reason I'm asking for true figures is that it's figures what are dictating the tiers we are in, which makes a big difference to everybody | |||
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"I agree, how can they give a true account of covid deaths when they're counting all deaths testing positive in the last 28 days. I would like to see death count of actual deaths from covid, I think its on ONS but I haven't had time to look Look people need to understand it like this. As I said on a previous thread. If you get shot and a bullet rips through your body causing organ failure and death. You died due to organ failure, but as a result of the bullet. Think of covid as a bullet causing catastrophic damage. It may not be the cause of death but death comes as a result of. In fact it's more like a grenade than a bullet but hopefully you get the point? Yes I get that, I'll say it again I GET THAT,That analogy does not work if a guy hits a wall on a motorbike and dies,it's not a covid death just because he tested positive 3 weeks earlier, he died because he hit a wall FFS Do you have 100% undeniable proof that this has happened or is it just hearsay and Karen on Facebook saying so? Ahhh the old Karen on Facebook bollox, I'm not on Facebook,your anologies are stupid beyond belief, I want to see figures of death from covid become public, not those 28 day bollox figures In real terms, what difference do you expect to see in the covid figures should the reporting be changed and why? Is it fair to say that you could die from Covid but if you didn’t have a positive test in the last 28 days - then you wouldn’t be marked as covid death either? How would you it's covid? Could be anything, it would be marked down a covid death, everything else seems to be And the reason I'm asking for true figures is that it's figures what are dictating the tiers we are in, which makes a big difference to everybody" Exactly my point - so if more deaths are counted as being caused by covid due to having a positive test in the last 28 days, is this not counteracted by the deaths from Covid which didn’t have a positive test in the last 28 days and therefore would not be counted in these figures. | |||
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"I agree, how can they give a true account of covid deaths when they're counting all deaths testing positive in the last 28 days. I would like to see death count of actual deaths from covid, I think its on ONS but I haven't had time to look Look people need to understand it like this. As I said on a previous thread. If you get shot and a bullet rips through your body causing organ failure and death. You died due to organ failure, but as a result of the bullet. Think of covid as a bullet causing catastrophic damage. It may not be the cause of death but death comes as a result of. In fact it's more like a grenade than a bullet but hopefully you get the point? Yes I get that, I'll say it again I GET THAT,That analogy does not work if a guy hits a wall on a motorbike and dies,it's not a covid death just because he tested positive 3 weeks earlier, he died because he hit a wall FFS Do you have 100% undeniable proof that this has happened or is it just hearsay and Karen on Facebook saying so? Ahhh the old Karen on Facebook bollox, I'm not on Facebook,your anologies are stupid beyond belief, I want to see figures of death from covid become public, not those 28 day bollox figures In real terms, what difference do you expect to see in the covid figures should the reporting be changed and why? Is it fair to say that you could die from Covid but if you didn’t have a positive test in the last 28 days - then you wouldn’t be marked as covid death either? How would you it's covid? Could be anything, it would be marked down a covid death, everything else seems to be And the reason I'm asking for true figures is that it's figures what are dictating the tiers we are in, which makes a big difference to everybody Exactly my point - so if more deaths are counted as being caused by covid due to having a positive test in the last 28 days, is this not counteracted by the deaths from Covid which didn’t have a positive test in the last 28 days and therefore would not be counted in these figures. " I'm sorry iv read that 3 times and.......huh? | |||
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"Is there a way that all over-70s could be put in camps? Beyond the outer limits of towns, cities and villages? Supplies could be dropped in by helicopter. Someone on twitter suggested they could be called 'Olditz'. I've suggested similar a few times. It's weird how people get offended when it's presented in this way, yet they happily say the old and vulnerable should stay home and shield so everyone else can live normally. Are you guys for real?? These comments must be a piss take? If not and you genuinely believe that then there is something completely wrong with your moral compass. That's like saying errm I dunno... Let's stick all disabled people on an island to fend for themselves that way able bodied people can go on as normal. What the hell is wrong with people, are you trying to wind people up and get a response is that it? Oh for fucks sake of course I was joking. Sweet baby Jesus dial back on your rage. I think there's a time and place for jokes and this isn't the time, place and forum for that sort of joke that's only funny to you It was a piss take out of those proposing locking up the over 70s. The fact it was called olditz would seem to point to that. But hey oh it was too subtle for the fab forums police." I'm far from the fab forum police but found it crass, inappropriate and uncalled for but hey ho, I'm only human | |||
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"I agree, how can they give a true account of covid deaths when they're counting all deaths testing positive in the last 28 days. I would like to see death count of actual deaths from covid, I think its on ONS but I haven't had time to look Look people need to understand it like this. As I said on a previous thread. If you get shot and a bullet rips through your body causing organ failure and death. You died due to organ failure, but as a result of the bullet. Think of covid as a bullet causing catastrophic damage. It may not be the cause of death but death comes as a result of. In fact it's more like a grenade than a bullet but hopefully you get the point? Yes I get that, I'll say it again I GET THAT,That analogy does not work if a guy hits a wall on a motorbike and dies,it's not a covid death just because he tested positive 3 weeks earlier, he died because he hit a wall FFS Do you have 100% undeniable proof that this has happened or is it just hearsay and Karen on Facebook saying so? Ahhh the old Karen on Facebook bollox, I'm not on Facebook,your anologies are stupid beyond belief, I want to see figures of death from covid become public, not those 28 day bollox figures In real terms, what difference do you expect to see in the covid figures should the reporting be changed and why? Is it fair to say that you could die from Covid but if you didn’t have a positive test in the last 28 days - then you wouldn’t be marked as covid death either? How would you it's covid? Could be anything, it would be marked down a covid death, everything else seems to be And the reason I'm asking for true figures is that it's figures what are dictating the tiers we are in, which makes a big difference to everybody Exactly my point - so if more deaths are counted as being caused by covid due to having a positive test in the last 28 days, is this not counteracted by the deaths from Covid which didn’t have a positive test in the last 28 days and therefore would not be counted in these figures. I'm sorry iv read that 3 times and.......huh?" Thank goodness for that. I struggled understanding it too | |||
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"I agree, how can they give a true account of covid deaths when they're counting all deaths testing positive in the last 28 days. I would like to see death count of actual deaths from covid, I think its on ONS but I haven't had time to look Look people need to understand it like this. As I said on a previous thread. If you get shot and a bullet rips through your body causing organ failure and death. You died due to organ failure, but as a result of the bullet. Think of covid as a bullet causing catastrophic damage. It may not be the cause of death but death comes as a result of. In fact it's more like a grenade than a bullet but hopefully you get the point? Yes I get that, I'll say it again I GET THAT,That analogy does not work if a guy hits a wall on a motorbike and dies,it's not a covid death just because he tested positive 3 weeks earlier, he died because he hit a wall FFS Do you have 100% undeniable proof that this has happened or is it just hearsay and Karen on Facebook saying so? Ahhh the old Karen on Facebook bollox, I'm not on Facebook,your anologies are stupid beyond belief, I want to see figures of death from covid become public, not those 28 day bollox figures In real terms, what difference do you expect to see in the covid figures should the reporting be changed and why? Is it fair to say that you could die from Covid but if you didn’t have a positive test in the last 28 days - then you wouldn’t be marked as covid death either? How would you it's covid? Could be anything, it would be marked down a covid death, everything else seems to be And the reason I'm asking for true figures is that it's figures what are dictating the tiers we are in, which makes a big difference to everybody Exactly my point - so if more deaths are counted as being caused by covid due to having a positive test in the last 28 days, is this not counteracted by the deaths from Covid which didn’t have a positive test in the last 28 days and therefore would not be counted in these figures. I'm sorry iv read that 3 times and.......huh? Errr how to put it - - People who die within 28 days of a positive covid test but not from Covid ARE counted in figures. - People who die from Covid who didn’t have a positive covid test in the past 28 days ARE NOT counted in the figures. If this is true - to a certain degree - would they not cancel each other out? I’m trying to understand your ‘28 day bollox’ theory. I think everyone wants accurate reporting and this conspiracy idea does interest me. What I don’t understand is what you want and how it can be achieved with a virus like this." Plus you forgot that if people die from flu, the everyday common and garden flu that thousands die of every year will also be counted as Covid deaths | |||
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