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With now 3 different vaccines I suggest it will now also only be time before a person is given a first shot of vaccine a and then a second of vaccine b
Would it be more sensible for countries or even regions within countries to only administer one type
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"Apparently we now have 3 types of vaccine Apparently they all require 2 doses Historically mistakes are made with drug administration Wrong doses , wrong drug , drugs that should not be given if another has been prescribed All of these mistakes are sadly inevitable simply with the numbers game and I point no fingers
However
With now 3 different vaccines I suggest it will now also only be time before a person is given a first shot of vaccine a and then a second of vaccine b
Would it be more sensible for countries or even regions within countries to only administer one type
"The 3rd one isnt available to the spring. The most vulnerable will get the Pfizer one I expect. | |||
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"Apparently we now have 3 types of vaccine Apparently they all require 2 doses Historically mistakes are made with drug administration Wrong doses , wrong drug , drugs that should not be given if another has been prescribed All of these mistakes are sadly inevitable simply with the numbers game and I point no fingers
However
With now 3 different vaccines I suggest it will now also only be time before a person is given a first shot of vaccine a and then a second of vaccine b
Would it be more sensible for countries or even regions within countries to only administer one type
The 3rd one isnt available to the spring.
The most vulnerable will get the Pfizer one I expect."Did not really address my suggestion | |||
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"Apparently we now have 3 types of vaccine Apparently they all require 2 doses Historically mistakes are made with drug administration Wrong doses , wrong drug , drugs that should not be given if another has been prescribed All of these mistakes are sadly inevitable simply with the numbers game and I point no fingers
However
With now 3 different vaccines I suggest it will now also only be time before a person is given a first shot of vaccine a and then a second of vaccine b
Would it be more sensible for countries or even regions within countries to only administer one type
The 3rd one isnt available to the spring.
The most vulnerable will get the Pfizer one I expect.
Did not really address my suggestion
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"Apparently we now have 3 types of vaccine Apparently they all require 2 doses Historically mistakes are made with drug administration Wrong doses , wrong drug , drugs that should not be given if another has been prescribed All of these mistakes are sadly inevitable simply with the numbers game and I point no fingers
However
With now 3 different vaccines I suggest it will now also only be time before a person is given a first shot of vaccine a and then a second of vaccine b
Would it be more sensible for countries or even regions within countries to only administer one type
"You dont know that mistakes will be made . The vaccine is a good thing dont look at the doom and gloom aspect of it . | |||
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"Apparently we now have 3 types of vaccine Apparently they all require 2 doses Historically mistakes are made with drug administration Wrong doses , wrong drug , drugs that should not be given if another has been prescribed All of these mistakes are sadly inevitable simply with the numbers game and I point no fingers
However
With now 3 different vaccines I suggest it will now also only be time before a person is given a first shot of vaccine a and then a second of vaccine b
Would it be more sensible for countries or even regions within countries to only administer one type
The 3rd one isnt available to the spring.
The most vulnerable will get the Pfizer one I expect.
Did not really address my suggestion
I don't know..maybe the eu are doing that?"Now I'm confused In the UK come spring allegedly there will be 3 types of vaccine If a human in the UK has their first jab mid Feb when their second is due in the UK 6 weeks or more later there will be a stock cupboard with a choice of three I have zero idea what the EU has to do with this potential hazard ? As a remain voter I would have more faith in the EU administration than the often shambolic UK headed by our boris But this is about should we just have one to rationality mitigate a pitention mis administration of the wrong drug | |||
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"Apparently we now have 3 types of vaccine Apparently they all require 2 doses Historically mistakes are made with drug administration Wrong doses , wrong drug , drugs that should not be given if another has been prescribed All of these mistakes are sadly inevitable simply with the numbers game and I point no fingers
However
With now 3 different vaccines I suggest it will now also only be time before a person is given a first shot of vaccine a and then a second of vaccine b
Would it be more sensible for countries or even regions within countries to only administer one type
The 3rd one isnt available to the spring.
The most vulnerable will get the Pfizer one I expect.
Did not really address my suggestion
I don't know..maybe the eu are doing that?
Now I'm confused
In the UK come spring allegedly there will be 3 types of vaccine
If a human in the UK has their first jab mid Feb when their second is due in the UK 6 weeks or more later there will be a stock cupboard with a choice of three
I have zero idea what the EU has to do with this potential hazard ? As a remain voter I would have more faith in the EU administration than the often shambolic UK headed by our boris
But this is about should we just have one to rationality mitigate a pitention mis administration of the wrong drug
"You asked should countries administer 1 vaccine? This would require some sort of cross country cooperation which was I mentioned The eu? I truly dont know.. it appears at the moment everything country is doing their own thing. As for keeping track on the vaccines.. surely that is to be expected? | |||
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"Apparently we now have 3 types of vaccine Apparently they all require 2 doses Historically mistakes are made with drug administration Wrong doses , wrong drug , drugs that should not be given if another has been prescribed All of these mistakes are sadly inevitable simply with the numbers game and I point no fingers
However
With now 3 different vaccines I suggest it will now also only be time before a person is given a first shot of vaccine a and then a second of vaccine b
Would it be more sensible for countries or even regions within countries to only administer one type
You dont know that mistakes will be made .
The vaccine is a good thing dont look at the doom and gloom aspect of it .
"I dont know my man will fall of a ladder or that x y or a will happen but in health and safety I mitigate risk 
We do however know drug mis matches sadly happen
Its statistically inevitable and the chance increases with volume (50 million) and drug options 3
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"Apparently we now have 3 types of vaccine Apparently they all require 2 doses Historically mistakes are made with drug administration Wrong doses , wrong drug , drugs that should not be given if another has been prescribed All of these mistakes are sadly inevitable simply with the numbers game and I point no fingers
However
With now 3 different vaccines I suggest it will now also only be time before a person is given a first shot of vaccine a and then a second of vaccine b
Would it be more sensible for countries or even regions within countries to only administer one type
The 3rd one isnt available to the spring.
The most vulnerable will get the Pfizer one I expect.
Did not really address my suggestion
I don't know..maybe the eu are doing that?
Now I'm confused
In the UK come spring allegedly there will be 3 types of vaccine
If a human in the UK has their first jab mid Feb when their second is due in the UK 6 weeks or more later there will be a stock cupboard with a choice of three
I have zero idea what the EU has to do with this potential hazard ? As a remain voter I would have more faith in the EU administration than the often shambolic UK headed by our boris
But this is about should we just have one to rationality mitigate a pitention mis administration of the wrong drug
"The vaccine distribution or treatment isnt down to Boris ...ffs! | |||
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"Apparently we now have 3 types of vaccine Apparently they all require 2 doses Historically mistakes are made with drug administration Wrong doses , wrong drug , drugs that should not be given if another has been prescribed All of these mistakes are sadly inevitable simply with the numbers game and I point no fingers
However
With now 3 different vaccines I suggest it will now also only be time before a person is given a first shot of vaccine a and then a second of vaccine b
Would it be more sensible for countries or even regions within countries to only administer one type
The 3rd one isnt available to the spring.
The most vulnerable will get the Pfizer one I expect.
Did not really address my suggestion
I don't know..maybe the eu are doing that?
Now I'm confused
In the UK come spring allegedly there will be 3 types of vaccine
If a human in the UK has their first jab mid Feb when their second is due in the UK 6 weeks or more later there will be a stock cupboard with a choice of three
I have zero idea what the EU has to do with this potential hazard ? As a remain voter I would have more faith in the EU administration than the often shambolic UK headed by our boris
But this is about should we just have one to rationality mitigate a pitention mis administration of the wrong drug
You asked should countries administer 1 vaccine?
This would require some sort of cross country cooperation which was I mentioned The eu?
I truly dont know.. it appears at the moment everything country is doing their own thing.
As for keeping track on the vaccines.. surely that is to be expected?"Expected it is just as mistakes are to be expected I can quote 3 drug errors I know about within the last 3 months 2 near deaths But it happens . Mitigation is all I query | |||
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"Apparently we now have 3 types of vaccine Apparently they all require 2 doses Historically mistakes are made with drug administration Wrong doses , wrong drug , drugs that should not be given if another has been prescribed All of these mistakes are sadly inevitable simply with the numbers game and I point no fingers
However
With now 3 different vaccines I suggest it will now also only be time before a person is given a first shot of vaccine a and then a second of vaccine b
Would it be more sensible for countries or even regions within countries to only administer one type
The 3rd one isnt available to the spring.
The most vulnerable will get the Pfizer one I expect.
Did not really address my suggestion
I don't know..maybe the eu are doing that?
Now I'm confused
In the UK come spring allegedly there will be 3 types of vaccine
If a human in the UK has their first jab mid Feb when their second is due in the UK 6 weeks or more later there will be a stock cupboard with a choice of three
I have zero idea what the EU has to do with this potential hazard ? As a remain voter I would have more faith in the EU administration than the often shambolic UK headed by our boris
But this is about should we just have one to rationality mitigate a pitention mis administration of the wrong drug
The vaccine distribution or treatment isnt down to Boris ...ffs!
"Very good I look forward to no one suggesting boris has control over how the NHS is run in future debates His funding of it or anything else a government may impact upon it | |||
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"Apparently we now have 3 types of vaccine Apparently they all require 2 doses Historically mistakes are made with drug administration Wrong doses , wrong drug , drugs that should not be given if another has been prescribed All of these mistakes are sadly inevitable simply with the numbers game and I point no fingers
However
With now 3 different vaccines I suggest it will now also only be time before a person is given a first shot of vaccine a and then a second of vaccine b
Would it be more sensible for countries or even regions within countries to only administer one type
"No. If one vaccine hit a supply problem wouldn't that suggest that they then can't have a vaccine until the one assigned to their area has a supply of it? People need the vaccine. People should get the vaccine - of whichever type no matter where they are, no matter which vaccine it is. | |||
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"Apparently we now have 3 types of vaccine Apparently they all require 2 doses Historically mistakes are made with drug administration Wrong doses , wrong drug , drugs that should not be given if another has been prescribed All of these mistakes are sadly inevitable simply with the numbers game and I point no fingers
However
With now 3 different vaccines I suggest it will now also only be time before a person is given a first shot of vaccine a and then a second of vaccine b
Would it be more sensible for countries or even regions within countries to only administer one type
The 3rd one isnt available to the spring.
The most vulnerable will get the Pfizer one I expect.
Did not really address my suggestion
I don't know..maybe the eu are doing that?
Now I'm confused
In the UK come spring allegedly there will be 3 types of vaccine
If a human in the UK has their first jab mid Feb when their second is due in the UK 6 weeks or more later there will be a stock cupboard with a choice of three
I have zero idea what the EU has to do with this potential hazard ? As a remain voter I would have more faith in the EU administration than the often shambolic UK headed by our boris
But this is about should we just have one to rationality mitigate a pitention mis administration of the wrong drug
The vaccine distribution or treatment isnt down to Boris ...ffs!
Very good I look forward to no one suggesting boris has control over how the NHS is run in future debates
His funding of it or anything else a government may impact upon it "Sarcasm isnt attractive | |||
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"Apparently we now have 3 types of vaccine Apparently they all require 2 doses Historically mistakes are made with drug administration Wrong doses , wrong drug , drugs that should not be given if another has been prescribed All of these mistakes are sadly inevitable simply with the numbers game and I point no fingers
However
With now 3 different vaccines I suggest it will now also only be time before a person is given a first shot of vaccine a and then a second of vaccine b
Would it be more sensible for countries or even regions within countries to only administer one type
The 3rd one isnt available to the spring.
The most vulnerable will get the Pfizer one I expect.
Did not really address my suggestion
I don't know..maybe the eu are doing that?
Now I'm confused
In the UK come spring allegedly there will be 3 types of vaccine
If a human in the UK has their first jab mid Feb when their second is due in the UK 6 weeks or more later there will be a stock cupboard with a choice of three
I have zero idea what the EU has to do with this potential hazard ? As a remain voter I would have more faith in the EU administration than the often shambolic UK headed by our boris
But this is about should we just have one to rationality mitigate a pitention mis administration of the wrong drug
The vaccine distribution or treatment isnt down to Boris ...ffs!
Very good I look forward to no one suggesting boris has control over how the NHS is run in future debates
His funding of it or anything else a government may impact upon it
Sarcasm isnt attractive "Nor was an obtuse misunderstanding of my reference to boris | |||
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"Apparently we now have 3 types of vaccine Apparently they all require 2 doses Historically mistakes are made with drug administration Wrong doses , wrong drug , drugs that should not be given if another has been prescribed All of these mistakes are sadly inevitable simply with the numbers game and I point no fingers
However
With now 3 different vaccines I suggest it will now also only be time before a person is given a first shot of vaccine a and then a second of vaccine b
Would it be more sensible for countries or even regions within countries to only administer one type
The 3rd one isnt available to the spring.
The most vulnerable will get the Pfizer one I expect.
Did not really address my suggestion
I don't know..maybe the eu are doing that?
Now I'm confused
In the UK come spring allegedly there will be 3 types of vaccine
If a human in the UK has their first jab mid Feb when their second is due in the UK 6 weeks or more later there will be a stock cupboard with a choice of three
I have zero idea what the EU has to do with this potential hazard ? As a remain voter I would have more faith in the EU administration than the often shambolic UK headed by our boris
But this is about should we just have one to rationality mitigate a pitention mis administration of the wrong drug
The vaccine distribution or treatment isnt down to Boris ...ffs!
Very good I look forward to no one suggesting boris has control over how the NHS is run in future debates
His funding of it or anything else a government may impact upon it
Sarcasm isnt attractive
Nor was an obtuse misunderstanding of my reference to boris
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"Apparently we now have 3 types of vaccine Apparently they all require 2 doses Historically mistakes are made with drug administration Wrong doses , wrong drug , drugs that should not be given if another has been prescribed All of these mistakes are sadly inevitable simply with the numbers game and I point no fingers
However
With now 3 different vaccines I suggest it will now also only be time before a person is given a first shot of vaccine a and then a second of vaccine b
Would it be more sensible for countries or even regions within countries to only administer one type
No.
If one vaccine hit a supply problem wouldn't that suggest that they then can't have a vaccine until the one assigned to their area has a supply of it?
People need the vaccine. People should get the vaccine - of whichever type no matter where they are, no matter which vaccine it is. "This is of course a valid point Yet if vaccine a is given And supply of vaccine a stops we must not surely give vaccine b or c ? Thus ensuring a supply of one is still required and running out still would mean people as you say could not have the second they need Good point though Joined up thinking required to prevent problems I'd suggest | |||
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"This rests upon a potential supposed risk from having 2 different vaccines. The experts have decided that it is not their plan to give 2 alternative vaccines but that it may acceptably happen, in exceptional circumstances, having considered the potential risks. They haven't just thrown caution into the wind and not considered it. Each of them appears to have very low risk levels and their method of action on the body is widely understood. They don't appear to have any potential conflicts in how they affect our body. They broadly stimulate an immune response that should be strengthened by subsequent immune response stimulation. It's feasible that the immune response may be better from 2 different vaccines, which is why there is current research to investigate the reality of this possibility. Vaccines are different in their efforts on the body, than medicinal drugs, which work biochemically. The latter may have far more extensive interaction with other substances also taken as medicines and occasionally other things which may be ingested etc, including foods. " I'm not actually suggesting harm per se However maybe not effective as the correct second dose False security can be more dangerous than knowing the risk | |||
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"Its not really a lottery as your title suggested is it? "No youre correct Poor title Obviously I considered it a small but statistically inevitable chance for an error to occur and suggest the more vaccine choices available the chance of error could plausibly increase | |||
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"Apparently we now have 3 types of vaccine Apparently they all require 2 doses Historically mistakes are made with drug administration Wrong doses , wrong drug , drugs that should not be given if another has been prescribed All of these mistakes are sadly inevitable simply with the numbers game and I point no fingers
However
With now 3 different vaccines I suggest it will now also only be time before a person is given a first shot of vaccine a and then a second of vaccine b
Would it be more sensible for countries or even regions within countries to only administer one type
You dont know that mistakes will be made .
The vaccine is a good thing dont look at the doom and gloom aspect of it .
"where there is a human element the risk of human error is always relatively high ... it just takes someone having an off day, maybe the toddler kept them up all night etc ... pretending we wont make mistakes and are perfect is niave and the OP is just suggesting a mitigation to the risk i dont think we could get countries to agree to just buy up stock of one though, particularly since availability , cost and storage requirements etc wont be consistent so countries wont want to agree to buy only the one the determined to be the worst in those senses its more likely the mitigations will need to be paperwork related which yea still has risk but should help maybe different colours of appointment card for each vaccine, calling the clinics pfizer clinic and oxford clinic etc and holding each type on set days of the week would help the person receiving the vaccine to also keep an eye out for what one they had first time round too ... all small thing in the scheme of things that can slightly help organisation to remove error | |||
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" maybe different colours of appointment card for each vaccine, calling the clinics pfizer clinic and oxford clinic etc and holding each type on set days of the week would help the person receiving the vaccine to also keep an eye out for what one they had first time round too ... all small thing in the scheme of things that can slightly help organisation to remove error " Just for info' I just messaged someone I know who's had the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine, and he says that is what is written on his card "Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine". | |||
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"Apparently we now have 3 types of vaccine Apparently they all require 2 doses Historically mistakes are made with drug administration Wrong doses , wrong drug , drugs that should not be given if another has been prescribed All of these mistakes are sadly inevitable simply with the numbers game and I point no fingers
However
With now 3 different vaccines I suggest it will now also only be time before a person is given a first shot of vaccine a and then a second of vaccine b
Would it be more sensible for countries or even regions within countries to only administer one type
"A lot of sense I have worried about the same thing.I guess you should refuse second jab if not the same vaccine I know I will | |||
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"Apparently we now have 3 types of vaccine Apparently they all require 2 doses Historically mistakes are made with drug administration Wrong doses , wrong drug , drugs that should not be given if another has been prescribed All of these mistakes are sadly inevitable simply with the numbers game and I point no fingers
However
With now 3 different vaccines I suggest it will now also only be time before a person is given a first shot of vaccine a and then a second of vaccine b
Would it be more sensible for countries or even regions within countries to only administer one type
The 3rd one isnt available to the spring.
The most vulnerable will get the Pfizer one I expect.
Did not really address my suggestion
I don't know..maybe the eu are doing that?
Now I'm confused
In the UK come spring allegedly there will be 3 types of vaccine
If a human in the UK has their first jab mid Feb when their second is due in the UK 6 weeks or more later there will be a stock cupboard with a choice of three
I have zero idea what the EU has to do with this potential hazard ? As a remain voter I would have more faith in the EU administration than the often shambolic UK headed by our boris
But this is about should we just have one to rationality mitigate a pitention mis administration of the wrong drug
"Shambolic or not. The UK has vaccinated around 1.3 million. France was at 7,000 at the last count. The EU has decided (unsurprisingly) to procure it's vaccine centrally and allocate supplies to member states. So far it has been such a disaster that Germany is now trying to find parallel supplies, sidestepping the EU. Needless to say Brussels isn't happy. Meanwhile another 3000+ have died today in the EU. However I'll bet than "Flinten Ushi" (Van der Leyen's nickname in Germany from her disastrous time as defence minister) has a nice dinner tonight. | |||
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" maybe different colours of appointment card for each vaccine, calling the clinics pfizer clinic and oxford clinic etc and holding each type on set days of the week would help the person receiving the vaccine to also keep an eye out for what one they had first time round too ... all small thing in the scheme of things that can slightly help organisation to remove error Just for info' I just messaged someone I know who's had the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine, and he says that is what is written on his card "Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine". " Correct, the vaccine cards are identical in printing regardless of vaccine manufacturer. The cards are then annotated with the vaccine that you received personally and the date received, there is a space for the second vaccination with date of admin also. Furthermore the dose administered will be put on the National Immunisation Vaccination System (NIVS) by the vaccinator, this will be selected from a drop down menu against the type and manufacturer of vaccine and will be issued with your details and the batch number you received. | |||
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" maybe different colours of appointment card for each vaccine, calling the clinics pfizer clinic and oxford clinic etc and holding each type on set days of the week would help the person receiving the vaccine to also keep an eye out for what one they had first time round too ... all small thing in the scheme of things that can slightly help organisation to remove error Just for info' I just messaged someone I know who's had the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine, and he says that is what is written on his card "Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine". Correct, the vaccine cards are identical in printing regardless of vaccine manufacturer. The cards are then annotated with the vaccine that you received personally and the date received, there is a space for the second vaccination with date of admin also. Furthermore the dose administered will be put on the National Immunisation Vaccination System (NIVS) by the vaccinator, this will be selected from a drop down menu against the type and manufacturer of vaccine and will be issued with your details and the batch number you received. " if anything id say a drop down menu is the worst idea... so easy to click the wrong thing when rushing  | |||
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" maybe different colours of appointment card for each vaccine, calling the clinics pfizer clinic and oxford clinic etc and holding each type on set days of the week would help the person receiving the vaccine to also keep an eye out for what one they had first time round too ... all small thing in the scheme of things that can slightly help organisation to remove error Just for info' I just messaged someone I know who's had the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine, and he says that is what is written on his card "Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine". Correct, the vaccine cards are identical in printing regardless of vaccine manufacturer. The cards are then annotated with the vaccine that you received personally and the date received, there is a space for the second vaccination with date of admin also. Furthermore the dose administered will be put on the National Immunisation Vaccination System (NIVS) by the vaccinator, this will be selected from a drop down menu against the type and manufacturer of vaccine and will be issued with your details and the batch number you received. if anything id say a drop down menu is the worst idea... so easy to click the wrong thing when rushing "Hence the provision of a card with the type of vaccine administered. This will mitigate the chances of different vaccines being administered. Also I know many hubs don’t administer both Pfizer and Oxford/Az at the same hub. This is in part due to storage and prep differences but also encompasses safety issues. I wouldn’t worry, we do think of these things believe it or not. | |||
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" maybe different colours of appointment card for each vaccine, calling the clinics pfizer clinic and oxford clinic etc and holding each type on set days of the week would help the person receiving the vaccine to also keep an eye out for what one they had first time round too ... all small thing in the scheme of things that can slightly help organisation to remove error Just for info' I just messaged someone I know who's had the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine, and he says that is what is written on his card "Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine". Correct, the vaccine cards are identical in printing regardless of vaccine manufacturer. The cards are then annotated with the vaccine that you received personally and the date received, there is a space for the second vaccination with date of admin also. Furthermore the dose administered will be put on the National Immunisation Vaccination System (NIVS) by the vaccinator, this will be selected from a drop down menu against the type and manufacturer of vaccine and will be issued with your details and the batch number you received. if anything id say a drop down menu is the worst idea... so easy to click the wrong thing when rushing
Hence the provision of a card with the type of vaccine administered. This will mitigate the chances of different vaccines being administered.
Also I know many hubs don’t administer both Pfizer and Oxford/Az at the same hub. This is in part due to storage and prep differences but also encompasses safety issues.
I wouldn’t worry, we do think of these things believe it or not."I'm fully aware that you think of these things thats why no one has ever heard or experienced an avoidable drug mismatch ever Complacency can be deadly Its fantastic to hear that so far the vaccines will be separated at locations might even be a suggestion in the op sounds sensible and rational great news x  | |||
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