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By *ent in Black OP Man
over a year ago

Silsden

So I’ve just read a story in the news that two people drove to an area (about 5 miles) in separate cars to exercise together. They also had hot drinks with them.

The police fined them £200 each and said they were breaking rules as it was classed as a picnic.

Do you think this is heavy handed? Or just?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"So I’ve just read a story in the news that two people drove to an area (about 5 miles) in separate cars to exercise together. They also had hot drinks with them.

The police fined them £200 each and said they were breaking rules as it was classed as a picnic.

Do you think this is heavy handed? Or just?

Just saw that.

Well over the top

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

Heavy handed. Lacks common sense.

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By *ent in Black OP Man
over a year ago

Silsden

A warning would have been more appropriate I reckon.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I've not seen the fuller details but it would seem prudent to take hot drinks with you, in very cold weather. Many types of exercise also benefit from swift consumption of nutrition, whether solid or in liquid form.

If these people were legally entitled to exercise in the way they were, then this falls to the definition of a 'picnic'. If picnics are inappropriately defined in the law, then it needs resolution. If it's a poor interpretation of this definition, then it needs action to clarify that and to prevent future misapplication of the law. It would seem appropriate for this charge to be dropped against those who have had it levied.

There were reports of people being charged for sitting down, during intermittent exercise bursts last year and that later being accepted as an approved measure, I think.

Even if sat at a public picnic table, whilst consuming hot drinks, it would not reasonably be classed as a pucnic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thats just ridiculous.

They were remaining local.

Being sensible going in seperate cars.

Meeting 1 person outside is allowed.

And so is daily exercise!

In the Winter I have taken to carrying a flask of hot drink when I drive anywhere in case I break down. It's just common sense to have that to keep you hydrated and warm.

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By *ensual massagerMan
over a year ago

Bolton

Well people are shouting for a police state so this is just the start. Let's see how many ridiculous situations come to light before people understand that they're volunteering for the police to control our movements

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

"I've not seen the fuller details but it would seem prudent to take hot drinks with you, in very cold weather. Many types of exercise also benefit from swift consumption of nutrition, whether solid or in liquid form.

There were reports of people being charged for sitting down, during intermittent exercise bursts last year and that later being accepted as an approved measure, I think.

Even if sat at a public picnic table, whilst consuming hot drinks, it would not reasonably be classed as a pucnic. "

According to Priti Patel, officers could now fine people found sitting on public benches

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

The same force that sent drones up to spy on walkers during the first lockdown!

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By *exy_HornyCouple
over a year ago

Leigh

5 miles from home is not local. It is rarely necessary to drive to exercise.

If they regularly walked or cycled 10 miles a day and the reservoir was on their route then they are justified in complaining.

Their exercise looked more like a social wander drinking a takeaway coffee so they were, quite correctly, fined.

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By *ig9incherforuMan
over a year ago

Welwyn

"5 miles from home is not local. It is rarely necessary to drive to exercise.

If they regularly walked or cycled 10 miles a day and the reservoir was on their route then they are justified in complaining.

Their exercise looked more like a social wander drinking a takeaway coffee so they were, quite correctly, fined."

Shame on them for wanting to see a friend....

Police state coming

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

Totally over the top yes! X

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By *eerobCouple
over a year ago

solihull

I think if they contest these tickets they will get off. There are definately worse breaches....silly to give police bad name in these circs

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-55560814

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"5 miles from home is not local. It is rarely necessary to drive to exercise.

If they regularly walked or cycled 10 miles a day and the reservoir was on their route then they are justified in complaining.

Their exercise looked more like a social wander drinking a takeaway coffee so they were, quite correctly, fined."

What is local?

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

I think it comes down to why do you need to drive to take a walk, you can walk out your front door and walk.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"5 miles from home is not local. It is rarely necessary to drive to exercise.

If they regularly walked or cycled 10 miles a day and the reservoir was on their route then they are justified in complaining.

Their exercise looked more like a social wander drinking a takeaway coffee so they were, quite correctly, fined.

What is local?"

As per the government site

If you need to travel you should stay local – meaning avoiding travelling outside of your village, town or the part of a city where you live

So for me in London that means I can’t leave my borough

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"5 miles from home is not local. It is rarely necessary to drive to exercise.

If they regularly walked or cycled 10 miles a day and the reservoir was on their route then they are justified in complaining.

Their exercise looked more like a social wander drinking a takeaway coffee so they were, quite correctly, fined."

When you have sloppy legislation then it's open to interpretation by Police and others, there is no legally defined limit of what constitutes local so whilst 50 mile would be excessive 5 is not ...

Common sense needs to be applied, and by the comments made about a drink being a picnic it's clearly lacking in the officer who came out with such bollocks..

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"5 miles from home is not local. It is rarely necessary to drive to exercise.

If they regularly walked or cycled 10 miles a day and the reservoir was on their route then they are justified in complaining.

Their exercise looked more like a social wander drinking a takeaway coffee so they were, quite correctly, fined.

What is local?

As per the government site

If you need to travel you should stay local – meaning avoiding travelling outside of your village, town or the part of a city where you live

So for me in London that means I can’t leave my borough

Cant see what they have done wrong tbh and the legal fella seems to agree.

Seems unnecessarily heavy handed

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"5 miles from home is not local. It is rarely necessary to drive to exercise.

If they regularly walked or cycled 10 miles a day and the reservoir was on their route then they are justified in complaining.

Their exercise looked more like a social wander drinking a takeaway coffee so they were, quite correctly, fined.

What is local?

As per the government site

If you need to travel you should stay local – meaning avoiding travelling outside of your village, town or the part of a city where you live

So for me in London that means I can’t leave my borough

Which as you know in some boroughs is a lot more than others, Chelsea and Westminster as opposed to Greenwich or Croydon is much different..

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By *ik MMan
over a year ago

Lancashire

"Well people are shouting for a police state so this is just the start. Let's see how many ridiculous situations come to light before people understand that they're volunteering for the police to control our movements "

GMB this morning debated whether members of the public should be rewarded for snitching on their neighbours. The clamour for this is nothing short of incredulous...

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By *exy_HornyCouple
over a year ago

Leigh

"What is local?"

There is guidance on the gov website, pretty much says your village or your part of town.

We would define it as setting off on foot or by bike from your own house.

We have a nature reserve a few miles away, we sometimes walk or cycle there from our house. We never drive there as we are too tight to pay for parking. Before the latest lockdown it never ceased to amaze us how many people drove there, paid for parking, and then had "exercise" walking from their car to the chip van at the end of the car park. 300m from the car park the crowds thinned out.

Since the lockdown we have walked 2 miles every day in a circle from our house. Very boring, on the road etc. but it is exercise.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If local why drive? It does say avoid travel during lockdown

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"What is local?

There is guidance on the gov website, pretty much says your village or your part of town.

We would define it as setting off on foot or by bike from your own house.

Since the lockdown we have walked 2 miles every day in a circle from our house. Very boring, on the road etc. but it is exercise."

But it's going to vary depending on where you live isnt it?

Like I said,just seems well over the top.

Hope they fight it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Pity the police aren’t as on the ball with drug dealers and grooming gangs.

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By *arkus1812Man
over a year ago

Lifes departure lounge NN9 Northamptonshire East not West MidlandsMidlands

GMB this morning debated whether members of the public should be rewarded for snitching on their neighbours. The clamour for this is nothing short of incredulous... "

Germany in the 1930s comes to mind

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By *exy_HornyCouple
over a year ago

Leigh

"But it's going to vary depending on where you live isnt it?"

No, pretty much everyone can walk from their house to get exercise. It may not be scenic or even particularly pleasant but it fulfills the requirement for exercise.

Our daily walk is neither scenic or pleasant but it is necessary.

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

"So I’ve just read a story in the news that two people drove to an area (about 5 miles) in separate cars to exercise together. They also had hot drinks with them.

The police fined them £200 each and said they were breaking rules as it was classed as a picnic.

Do you think this is heavy handed? Or just?

Think the main issue was driving out of county, they were stopped in Derbyshire, but lived in Leicestershire.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

GMB this morning debated whether members of the public should be rewarded for snitching on their neighbours. The clamour for this is nothing short of incredulous...

Germany in the 1930s comes to mind"

Really??

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

I wonder what the real context is.....

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

"So I’ve just read a story in the news that two people drove to an area (about 5 miles) in separate cars to exercise together. They also had hot drinks with them.

The police fined them £200 each and said they were breaking rules as it was classed as a picnic.

Do you think this is heavy handed? Or just?

Wasn't this Derbyshire constabulary? They have a history of this idiocy. It will be thrown out of court.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Shame on them travelling to have some recreation time, it's ok to travel for work or shopping mixing with hundreds of people. But go 5 miles for yourself and your fined, keep just working and paying taxes and your ok. Are we getting it now a worker bee puts the hive first and doesn't have me time, welcome to the new world order.

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By *ljamMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

The articles I've read make it seem pretty heavy handed, but they've been presented mainly from the two walkers' point of view. They did cross county lines though, so I guess they should have known better...

It's really a pretty insignificant incident though, when you consider we're brushing up against four figure daily deaths... maybe just walk out your front door to get your exercise.

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By *eard-lincolnMan
over a year ago

near lincoln

5 mile radius of where they were is only very small villages , and there are numerous parks and places in the area. I’m guessing the 5 miles is not true. Would be interested to see where they did in fact live. There’s also a picture of them both smiling holding their coffees in hand so can’t have been to distraught.

They also said when they arrived there that there was police vehicles already in the car park , so guessing that loads of people have been visiting there and police were cracking down on everyone.

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By *uck-RogersMan
over a year ago

Tarka trail

Picnic's are nice, But prefer a snickers.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"5 mile radius of where they were is only very small villages , and there are numerous parks and places in the area. I’m guessing the 5 miles is not true. Would be interested to see where they did in fact live. There’s also a picture of them both smiling holding their coffees in hand so can’t have been to distraught.

They also said when they arrived there that there was police vehicles already in the car park , so guessing that loads of people have been visiting there and police were cracking down on everyone. "

Maybe the picture wasnt taken straight after it happened ?

Like the poster says above.. in the scheme of things it very insignificant

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By *ensual massagerMan
over a year ago

Bolton

GMB this morning debated whether members of the public should be rewarded for snitching on their neighbours. The clamour for this is nothing short of incredulous...

Germany in the 1930s comes to mind

Really??"

Yes, let's await for tier nein

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By *ljamMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

GMB this morning debated whether members of the public should be rewarded for snitching on their neighbours. The clamour for this is nothing short of incredulous...

Germany in the 1930s comes to mind

Really??

Yes, let's await for tier nein "

That'd be all reich

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By *uttyandbeeCouple
over a year ago

Leeds

So as regular walkers which we intend to do this weekend are we liable to be fined if we take a pack up and a flask of hot soup?

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

This is odd because all the country parks are selling hot drinks and snacks to people walking , there’s even tables out at some

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By *eard-lincolnMan
over a year ago

near lincoln

Looking at Starbucks locations as well the nearest one is 8 miles away at ashby de la zouch or 10 miles away at burton on Trent .

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By *lirty-CoupleCouple
over a year ago

Bexley

"So as regular walkers which we intend to do this weekend are we liable to be fined if we take a pack up and a flask of hot soup?"

Possibly if some police person decides it's a picnic not exercise...

There's a video going around on twitter showing a guy who politely confronted a group of police all sitting around having a coffee in a cafe somewhere. His question was why are they allowed to do it when ordinary people aren't.

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By *oved Up 2Couple
over a year ago

nottingham

Derbyshire police again. Imagine saying a takeaway coffee is a picnic lol

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By *himp_KittenCouple
over a year ago

Preston

Always ones to offer a different view regardless of the argument..

In our opinion should they be fined.. no.. we're sure a little advice and sending them on their way would suffice.. However...

We don't know if they were offered advice and decided to argue against this resulting in enforcement.

We do know that the latest guidance / rules states :-

"You must not leave, or be outside of your home except where necessary"

Was it really necessary to go to starbucks together, then drive to an area 5 miles from your home to meet up together to go for a walk..

We'd argue not.

We also know :-

"Exercise with your household (or support bubble) or one other person, this should be limited to once per day, and you should not travel outside your local area."

So in this context they went for exercise with one other person, but is crossing the boundaries of your village / town to exercise outside of your "local area"

Well we'd argue it is, what's wrong with walking from your door step and remaining local.

The guidance also states

"If you do leave home for a permitted reason, you should always stay local - unless it is necessary to go further, for example to go to work. Stay local means stay in the village, town, or part of the city where you live."

It clearly states where to stay, not to travel to starbucks then take another journey 5 miles away crossing a boundary to go for a walk..

In our opinion it's just two people breaking the guidance and whining about it.

Was it over the top to fine them, perhaps, however we don't have the full context so a balanced view is hard to reach.

All we know is we've not be fined, but we're not driving to starbucks to get a drink to drive 5 miles from our house for a walk.. we leave our house, walk locally and come home.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

The stuff about the hot drink is pathetic

Who the fuck sits there and makes up this stuff?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The police service droids have overreacted from the get go. There is no law that says that you have to wear a mask. There is no official exemption certificate. Even the governments own website states, that there is no reason to account for yourself. None of the regulations are actually in the coronavirus legislation. So they are as far as i understand subordinate to the act. Government advice is not law. The police can turn up mob handed by the dozens but cant attend a burglary. There are plenty of websites showing the gross over reaction of the police. The law i believe is ultra vires. Which is a legitimate defence in court. If someone is brave enough to take this to its ultimate conclusion then the supreme Court judges the police acted ultra viresly then every arrest and fine would be deemed unlawful. Every fine and arrest would be open for compensation and civil action could be taken against the police for wrongful arrest. What would make this all unlawful, is for the sole purpose of protecting the nhs. The mass incarceration of the nation and defacto removal of the rights of the population. To protect a single government organisation must be at some point unlawful

My son is a covid nurse.

Covid is real but the authorities response verges on the police state

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A warning would have been more appropriate I reckon."

Yep I agree,bit over the top where a warning might have been suffice.

Having said that,why drive 5 miles to exercise?if they live apart,why not walk n meet half way?

What's with the hot drinks to exercise?

Had they been warned before?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I th8nk they can appeal against the fine

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By *olidOak85Couple
over a year ago

Yorkshire

"Always ones to offer a different view regardless of the argument..

In our opinion should they be fined.. no.. we're sure a little advice and sending them on their way would suffice.. However...

We don't know if they were offered advice and decided to argue against this resulting in enforcement.

We do know that the latest guidance / rules states :-

"You must not leave, or be outside of your home except where necessary"

Was it really necessary to go to starbucks together, then drive to an area 5 miles from your home to meet up together to go for a walk..

We'd argue not.

We also know :-

"Exercise with your household (or support bubble) or one other person, this should be limited to once per day, and you should not travel outside your local area."

So in this context they went for exercise with one other person, but is crossing the boundaries of your village / town to exercise outside of your "local area"

Well we'd argue it is, what's wrong with walking from your door step and remaining local.

The guidance also states

It clearly states where to stay, not to travel to starbucks then take another journey 5 miles away crossing a boundary to go for a walk..

In our opinion it's just two people breaking the guidance and whining about it.

Was it over the top to fine them, perhaps, however we don't have the full context so a balanced view is hard to reach.

All we know is we've not be fined, but we're not driving to starbucks to get a drink to drive 5 miles from our house for a walk.. we leave our house, walk locally and come home.

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By *ee And MikeCouple
over a year ago

Cannock

The police are loving this, you try reporting a terrorist bomber or someone breaking into your car or home and they are too busy playing with their cocks !

However break the COVID rules and it’s all out war on the public, thank god they aren’t armed because they’d be shooting people for buying a non-essential item if you let them.

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By *eard-lincolnMan
over a year ago

near lincoln

"The police service droids have overreacted from the get go. There is no law that says that you have to wear a mask. There is no official exemption certificate. Even the governments own website states, that there is no reason to account for yourself. None of the regulations are actually in the coronavirus legislation. So they are as far as i understand subordinate to the act. Government advice is not law. The police can turn up mob handed by the dozens but cant attend a burglary. There are plenty of websites showing the gross over reaction of the police. The law i believe is ultra vires. Which is a legitimate defence in court. If someone is brave enough to take this to its ultimate conclusion then the supreme Court judges the police acted ultra viresly then every arrest and fine would be deemed unlawful. Every fine and arrest would be open for compensation and civil action could be taken against the police for wrongful arrest. What would make this all unlawful, is for the sole purpose of protecting the nhs. The mass incarceration of the nation and defacto removal of the rights of the population. To protect a single government organisation must be at some point unlawful

My son is a covid nurse.

Covid is real but the authorities response verges on the police state"

Police have always attended any burglary I’ve reported. Hate seeing this used in every argument against the police. They are set their tasks like everyone else.

If there wasn’t so many idiots about doing what they wanted regardless then these two people would probably not have a story to tell. That redo our is obviously a hotspot for people flouncing the law.

No One needs to take the police to court to fight them. Just bloody behave .

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By *eard-lincolnMan
over a year ago

near lincoln

"The police are loving this, you try reporting a terrorist bomber or someone breaking into your car or home and they are too busy playing with their cocks !

However break the COVID rules and it’s all out war on the public, thank god they aren’t armed because they’d be shooting people for buying a non-essential item if you let them.

What a load of crap. Of course it’s the polices fault that people still do as they choose without a care .

I rang the police yesterday to report some kids graffitiing a local landmark and they were there in under 5 minutes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The fine is justified on the grounds of taking two cars on a 10 mile round trip without good reason.

Whatever happened to the clean air experienced during the first lockdown?

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By *uietlykinkymeWoman
over a year ago

kinky land

I think Derbyshire police can't win.

Local residents complain about the number of people travelling to their area and when the police are not rescuing visitors stuck in their cars, in snow, and proactively trying to stop visitors getting into difficulty, they are slated for handing out fines

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By *himp_KittenCouple
over a year ago

Preston

"I think Derbyshire police can't win.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

The advice is stay at home you do not need to drive 5 miles to take a walk.

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By *bthreeCouple
over a year ago

Yeovil

Clearly the 2 people involved failed the "attitude test"unless thats been banned too.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

"The fine is justified on the grounds of taking two cars on a 10 mile round trip without good reason.

Whatever happened to the clean air experienced during the first lockdown?"

i should imagine its got something to do with it being sunny and warm the first lock down and below freezing this time round.myself im still on the bike you warm up within ten mins

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"The fine is justified on the grounds of taking two cars on a 10 mile round trip without good reason.

Whatever happened to the clean air experienced during the first lockdown?

i should imagine its got something to do with it being sunny and warm the first lock down and below freezing this time round.myself im still on the bike you warm up within ten mins"

Yes me to even at 3 15 in morn when I leave for work ! When I get there people say did u cycle ? I say I allways do I dont drive lol! It was icy this morn x

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By *ee And MikeCouple
over a year ago

Cannock

"The police are loving this, you try reporting a terrorist bomber or someone breaking into your car or home and they are too busy playing with their cocks !

However break the COVID rules and it’s all out war on the public, thank god they aren’t armed because they’d be shooting people for buying a non-essential item if you let them.

What a load of crap. Of course it’s the polices fault that people still do as they choose without a care .

I rang the police yesterday to report some kids graffitiing a local landmark and they were there in under 5 minutes "

You must live in a quiet place then, because our youngest daughter who lives in Manchester was in bed one Sunday morning (after working a night shift) when an intruder broke into her bedroom after ransacking her flat, he could have assaulted or killed her but luckily he just ran off.

We poke to Greater Manchester Police after they refused to come out to the incident, their attitude was they were far too too busy and gave my daughter a crime number.

Disgraceful to say the least !

We put an official complaint in writing and the reply that came back almost blamed my daughter for living where she did.

The police need to start and remember it’s our taxes that pay to keep them in a job, there’s no gold shower of money from heaven to do that !

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"The police are loving this, you try reporting a terrorist bomber or someone breaking into your car or home and they are too busy playing with their cocks !

However break the COVID rules and it’s all out war on the public, thank god they aren’t armed because they’d be shooting people for buying a non-essential item if you let them.

What a load of crap. Of course it’s the polices fault that people still do as they choose without a care .

I rang the police yesterday to report some kids graffitiing a local landmark and they were there in under 5 minutes

We poke to Greater Manchester Police after they refused to come out to the incident, their attitude was they were far too too busy and gave my daughter a crime number.

Disgraceful to say the least !

We put an official complaint in writing and the reply that came back almost blamed my daughter for living where she did.

The police need to start and remember it’s our taxes that pay to keep them in a job, there’s no gold shower of money from heaven to do that !"

Shocking that.

Werent they supposed to be hiring more plod?

We had to go to a station a while ago..it was 8 at night and we visited 4 until we found one that was open.

They must be cut to the bone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"5 miles from home is not local. It is rarely necessary to drive to exercise.

If they regularly walked or cycled 10 miles a day and the reservoir was on their route then they are justified in complaining.

Their exercise looked more like a social wander drinking a takeaway coffee so they were, quite correctly, fined."

Absolutely

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"5 miles from home is not local. It is rarely necessary to drive to exercise.

If they regularly walked or cycled 10 miles a day and the reservoir was on their route then they are justified in complaining.

Their exercise looked more like a social wander drinking a takeaway coffee so they were, quite correctly, fined.

Absolutely"

What's the difference between taking a walk and a social wander?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What do people really expect when they’re blinding following “rules” and believing all the propaganda they hear? You wanted state control, here it is.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"What do people really expect when they’re blinding following “rules” and believing all the propaganda they hear? You wanted state control, here it is. "
You ran out of tinfoil mate?

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"5 miles from home is not local. It is rarely necessary to drive to exercise.

If they regularly walked or cycled 10 miles a day and the reservoir was on their route then they are justified in complaining.

Their exercise looked more like a social wander drinking a takeaway coffee so they were, quite correctly, fined.

What is local?

As per the government site

If you need to travel you should stay local – meaning avoiding travelling outside of your village, town or the part of a city where you live

So for me in London that means I can’t leave my borough

Cant see what they have done wrong tbh and the legal fella seems to agree.

Seems unnecessarily heavy handed

The exercise they are doing, walking, can be done straight from your front door, you don’t need to get in your car, grab a takeaway tea and drive five miles to then have a walk

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"5 miles from home is not local. It is rarely necessary to drive to exercise.

If they regularly walked or cycled 10 miles a day and the reservoir was on their route then they are justified in complaining.

Their exercise looked more like a social wander drinking a takeaway coffee so they were, quite correctly, fined.

When you have sloppy legislation then it's open to interpretation by Police and others, there is no legally defined limit of what constitutes local so whilst 50 mile would be excessive 5 is not ...

Common sense needs to be applied, and by the comments made about a drink being a picnic it's clearly lacking in the officer who came out with such bollocks..

is the 5 mile limit only in scotland then? we definitely have a defined 5 miles

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"5 miles from home is not local. It is rarely necessary to drive to exercise.

If they regularly walked or cycled 10 miles a day and the reservoir was on their route then they are justified in complaining.

Their exercise looked more like a social wander drinking a takeaway coffee so they were, quite correctly, fined.

What is local?

As per the government site

If you need to travel you should stay local – meaning avoiding travelling outside of your village, town or the part of a city where you live

So for me in London that means I can’t leave my borough

Which as you know in some boroughs is a lot more than others, Chelsea and Westminster as opposed to Greenwich or Croydon is much different.."

Oh totally, some boroughs are huge and some aren’t. I live in a large borough, but I can’t get to the other side of it unless I wanted to walk for 2 hours plus or use public transport. I’ve literally stuck to my 2 sq mile neighbourhood when in T3/T4/lockdown

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By *un guy 30Man
over a year ago

hyde

Unbelievable

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By *eard-lincolnMan
over a year ago

near lincoln

"5 miles from home is not local. It is rarely necessary to drive to exercise.

If they regularly walked or cycled 10 miles a day and the reservoir was on their route then they are justified in complaining.

Their exercise looked more like a social wander drinking a takeaway coffee so they were, quite correctly, fined.

Absolutely

What's the difference between taking a walk and a social wander?"

The guidance says you can meet one other person for exercise but then also says this

Meeting other people

It is against the law to meet socially with family or friends unless they are part of your household or support bubble. You cannot leave home for recreational or leisure purposes (such as for a picnic or a social meeting).

So to meet for a social wander is different to taking a walk for exercise

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What do people really expect when they’re blinding following “rules” and believing all the propaganda they hear? You wanted state control, here it is. "

I don't want state control. I just want an end to the pandemic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Always ones to offer a different view regardless of the argument..

In our opinion should they be fined.. no.. we're sure a little advice and sending them on their way would suffice.. However...

We don't know if they were offered advice and decided to argue against this resulting in enforcement.

We do know that the latest guidance / rules states :-

"You must not leave, or be outside of your home except where necessary"

Was it really necessary to go to starbucks together, then drive to an area 5 miles from your home to meet up together to go for a walk..

We'd argue not.

We also know :-

"Exercise with your household (or support bubble) or one other person, this should be limited to once per day, and you should not travel outside your local area."

So in this context they went for exercise with one other person, but is crossing the boundaries of your village / town to exercise outside of your "local area"

Well we'd argue it is, what's wrong with walking from your door step and remaining local.

The guidance also states

It clearly states where to stay, not to travel to starbucks then take another journey 5 miles away crossing a boundary to go for a walk..

In our opinion it's just two people breaking the guidance and whining about it.

Was it over the top to fine them, perhaps, however we don't have the full context so a balanced view is hard to reach.

All we know is we've not be fined, but we're not driving to starbucks to get a drink to drive 5 miles from our house for a walk.. we leave our house, walk locally and come home.

2 sides to everything

in the grand scheme of things yes maybe heavy handed but a warning wouldn’t likely have made the news and possibly they (rightly or wrongly) have been made an example of to demonstrate that enforcements are actually now happening... after all ho many threads and comments have we seen along the lines of no point having laws if you don’t enforce them as people will just disregard them

the likelihood of them paying it is low but the message that the police are getting tougher on what they believe to be people flouting the rules is now out there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So I’ve just read a story in the news that two people drove to an area (about 5 miles) in separate cars to exercise together. They also had hot drinks with them.

The police fined them £200 each and said they were breaking rules as it was classed as a picnic.

Do you think this is heavy handed? Or just?

I think the police probably have a ridiculously hard job currently, having viewed the response of the woman who filmed the Glostershire hospital when she was arrested you can imagine a scenario where they where quite entitled, rude, offensive etc when questioned.

I wasn’t there, I’m not going to judge the girls or indeed the police, it will be looked at properly in due course I’m sure. X

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

is the 5 mile limit only in scotland then? we definitely have a defined 5 miles "

In England there are currently restrictions on inter county travel.

They were in Derbyshire and the article claims one of them lives in Ashby de la Zouch which is in Leicestershire, I suspect this is the real reason they were fined.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think exercise is supposed to start and end at home, not with the car. And it’s not the fault of the police, there have been multiple queries to all levels about what is deemed local. It is also not law, but guidance, it stated on an article today, that the police then have to interpret and discretionary choice etc on whom would be fined. It appeared heavy handed on paper but without black and white rules to implement and promote, these cases will come up.

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By *ecretpassion100Couple
over a year ago

Walsall

Well i do think this is heavy handed but examples need to be set

People who are moaning about lockdown should adear otherwise we will be in this for a long time to come and thats fact !!

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By *elshcouple18Couple
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Totally over the top yes! X"
would it be over the top if one was covid positive, gave it to the other, then took it back home to their family?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just think it's all gone too far now.

I've heard all sorts of stories about people being stopped going to the supermarket because there's a convenience store closer.

I'm sorry but I'll shop where ever I like. This is hard enough.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Totally over the top yes! X would it be over the top if one was covid positive, gave it to the other, then took it back home to their family? "

Yes because its the risk they take.

It seems the government think we are no longer able to assess that on our own

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

even with a 5 mile radius you can still be mixing in the same place as someone from 10 miles away from you, its not hard stay at home ,i bet these very same people were out clapping for the nhs last night.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To be fair I can see Both sides,Ashby is a very beautiful place and plenty of places to go for a walk out of the way of everyone else and they did cross into another county but giving them a telling off for having a warm drink with them takes the piss a little,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"5 miles from home is not local. It is rarely necessary to drive to exercise.

If they regularly walked or cycled 10 miles a day and the reservoir was on their route then they are justified in complaining.

Their exercise looked more like a social wander drinking a takeaway coffee so they were, quite correctly, fined."

No law to say what local actually means. 5 miles is hardly travelling out of town is it. Some peoples nearest countryside is that far or more. Country has gone crackers. Ok for them to pile into Tesco with 200 other people though.

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

I’m confused. In Wales we are not allowed to drive to take excercise. Is it different in England? If the rules are the same, then people should be fined. We all quote Cumings as a bad example, but this is no better.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The questions we would like answering is what where the police doing in such numbers in a remote location ? Skiving off and worried about being caught ? Also what rules where they observing for social distancing when using enclosed vehicles to travel from the station to that location ? The reporting seems wrong as well. The corona laws are for gatherings. The guidance on staying home, social distancing and keeping to your local area etc are not laws and not enforceable. Unless the persons left there local area which is in a high tier group to enter another area of a lower tier. Plus as there is no set definition or distance for local area within UK law. This would be assessed as possibly be your parish, Town or local council/authority area.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"Totally over the top yes! X would it be over the top if one was covid positive, gave it to the other, then took it back home to their family? "

Soooooo in supermarket mixing with god knows how many????? X

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

Welsh rules - There are no limits on the distance you can travel during exercise, though the nearer you stay to your home, the better. Your exercise should start and finish from your home and you should exercise alone or with a member of your household or support bubble

Basically don’t drive to a place of excercise...

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By *elshcouple18Couple
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Welsh rules - There are no limits on the distance you can travel during exercise, though the nearer you stay to your home, the better. Your exercise should start and finish from your home and you should exercise alone or with a member of your household or support bubble

Basically don’t drive to a place of excercise..."
i see we are roughly 10 miles from eachother, so if we both walk 5 miles, we could meet within the rules, as long as we social distance, Think not!!! That's where there's lack of clarity.

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By *eard-lincolnMan
over a year ago

near lincoln

"The questions we would like answering is what where the police doing in such numbers in a remote location ? Skiving off and worried about being caught ? Also what rules where they observing for social distancing when using enclosed vehicles to travel from the station to that location ? The reporting seems wrong as well. The corona laws are for gatherings. The guidance on staying home, social distancing and keeping to your local area etc are not laws and not enforceable. Unless the persons left there local area which is in a high tier group to enter another area of a lower tier. Plus as there is no set definition or distance for local area within UK law. This would be assessed as possibly be your parish, Town or local council/authority area. "

Police rules have changed since Wednesday I think . They now have the power to fine you . The police were there because there was most likely lots of people going there for the same reason these two were . They would have fined anyone that couldn’t prove they were local.

And if highlighting these two stops others from risking it then I’m all for it .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tbh the police can twist anything to there advantage but if the people new each other and they went to the same place at the same time they its hard to prove it wasn't arranged if it was more local they would have been ok

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Very true I agree 100%

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So I’ve just read a story in the news that two people drove to an area (about 5 miles) in separate cars to exercise together. They also had hot drinks with them.

The police fined them £200 each and said they were breaking rules as it was classed as a picnic.

Do you think this is heavy handed? Or just?

The same force that used drones to try and shame families out walking in the Peak District in the summer isn’t it? Doesn’t surprise me. Massively ott

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I’m confused. In Wales we are not allowed to drive to take excercise. Is it different in England? If the rules are the same, then people should be fined. We all quote Cumings as a bad example, but this is no better."

Apparently you can travel.

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By *elshcouple18Couple
over a year ago

Cardiff

Apparently you can travel. "
but not for exercise, that must start and stop at your house. Luckily for us, we have woodland and beach within walking distance from ours.

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By *ecretpassion100Couple
over a year ago

Walsall

Back in the first lockdown here in pdi people were scared to be on the streets ...the police stopped everyone even looking inside shopping bags to make sure essential items were brought during the shop and could only go to nearest shop to where you were ...fined on the spot if breaking the rules ... that's why it's safer here and infection rates low amongst other things ... fines need to be given and rules adhered to ...otherwise this will never go away ...you can take exercise anywhere without getting in a car to do so ...you can buy food local wherever you are ...easy for us to say as not currently in the uk but if was would be very strict adhering to every rule and regulations but it won't work if not everyone is doing it

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

"So I’ve just read a story in the news that two people drove to an area (about 5 miles) in separate cars to exercise together. They also had hot drinks with them.

The police fined them £200 each and said they were breaking rules as it was classed as a picnic.

Do you think this is heavy handed? Or just?

"
I've read this story and apparently the police were waiting in some numbers for people to turn up at a local reservoir.. as in several police vehicles.. so they were waiting to catch people.

I think they are being very heavy handed.

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By *ye-spyMan
over a year ago

London

The police have become revenue collectors.

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By *litterbabeWoman
over a year ago

hiding from cock pics.

In England you can travel to exercise currently and meet one person from outside of your home or bubble.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"In England you can travel to exercise currently and meet one person from outside of your home or bubble."

That is true but not outside of your local area.

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By *andy 1Couple
over a year ago

northeast

"Always ones to offer a different view regardless of the argument..

In our opinion should they be fined.. no.. we're sure a little advice and sending them on their way would suffice.. However...

We don't know if they were offered advice and decided to argue against this resulting in enforcement.

We do know that the latest guidance / rules states :-

"You must not leave, or be outside of your home except where necessary"

Was it really necessary to go to starbucks together, then drive to an area 5 miles from your home to meet up together to go for a walk..

We'd argue not.

We also know :-

"Exercise with your household (or support bubble) or one other person, this should be limited to once per day, and you should not travel outside your local area."

So in this context they went for exercise with one other person, but is crossing the boundaries of your village / town to exercise outside of your "local area"

Well we'd argue it is, what's wrong with walking from your door step and remaining local.

The guidance also states

It clearly states where to stay, not to travel to starbucks then take another journey 5 miles away crossing a boundary to go for a walk..

In our opinion it's just two people breaking the guidance and whining about it.

Was it over the top to fine them, perhaps, however we don't have the full context so a balanced view is hard to reach.

All we know is we've not be fined, but we're not driving to starbucks to get a drink to drive 5 miles from our house for a walk.. we leave our house, walk locally and come home.

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By *konCouple
over a year ago

cardiff

Totally draconian

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This happened to somebody I know. He was dropping his mom home and both got £300 fine because they wasn't from same house hold

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wonder what the real context is....."

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Apparently you can travel. but not for exercise, that must start and stop at your house. Luckily for us, we have woodland and beach within walking distance from ours. "

That legal expert on the link saying they have done nothing wrong?

Considering over 1000 people are dying a day ,its seems ridiculously trivial.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"Pity the police aren’t as on the ball with drug dealers and grooming gangs. "

They aren't such easy targets.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Apparently you can travel. but not for exercise, that must start and stop at your house. Luckily for us, we have woodland and beach within walking distance from ours.

That legal expert on the link saying they have done nothing wrong?

Considering over 1000 people are dying a day ,its seems ridiculously trivial."

Well maybe we need something like this to stop over 1000 people dying a day.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Apparently you can travel. but not for exercise, that must start and stop at your house. Luckily for us, we have woodland and beach within walking distance from ours.

That legal expert on the link saying they have done nothing wrong?

Considering over 1000 people are dying a day ,its seems ridiculously trivial.

Well maybe we need something like this to stop over 1000 people dying a day.

What someone going for a walk?

But packed schools and shops are fine?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Apparently you can travel. but not for exercise, that must start and stop at your house. Luckily for us, we have woodland and beach within walking distance from ours.

That legal expert on the link saying they have done nothing wrong?

Considering over 1000 people are dying a day ,its seems ridiculously trivial.

Well maybe we need something like this to stop over 1000 people dying a day.

What someone going for a walk?

But packed schools and shops are fine?"

Neither.

There seems to be too much effort put into finding loopholes in "the rules" and not enough put into tring to achieve what the intention is behind the rules.

If everyone had a decent sense of responsibility we wouldn't need rules.

But hey ... we all have "rights", the consequences can go hang.

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By *aintscoupleCouple
over a year ago

st helens

The police seem to be very selective on who they dish out fines to. This lockdown does not seem to have affected our local drug dealers.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Not ridiculous at all.

It sends out a clear message.

"Stop fucking around and bending the rules or else"

Unfortunately the hard work has to start somewhere .

Remember the crazy scenes last year.

Thousands of people at durdle door?

Hundreds of thousands on Brighton beach and other costal resorts.

Traffic queues a mile or two long going to Snowdon.

Unfortunately people HAVE to understand why they can't do certain things.

I am all for exercise and fresh air but why the need to travel miles away?

What a sad time we live in tho, people getting fined for going for a walk and a natter with a mate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the rules need to be binary at this stage in the proceedings.It also makes it easier for the police who generally struggle when it comes to exercising their discretion.

If the rules state that people shouldn't be meeting outside of their household (unless it falls within one of the well documented and understood exceptions) then people shouldn't be meeting outside of their household. Exercise, coffee, sex, whatever - it shouldn't be happening - particularly when we are currently recording more than 1000 deaths a day. One of the reasons we're all still stuck in this mess is that many people can't seem to stick to the rules complicated.

Exercise alone - it's not complicated and it might save someone's life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Apparently you can travel. but not for exercise, that must start and stop at your house. Luckily for us, we have woodland and beach within walking distance from ours.

That legal expert on the link saying they have done nothing wrong?

Considering over 1000 people are dying a day ,its seems ridiculously trivial."

what this fails to take into account is those 1000 people are dying because people are all out and about when they should be in home, not in spite of it... so the message isnt this is trivial the message is this is serious

also police and nhs don’t use the same resource so in that respect its not focus on one or the other

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Exercise up and down your stairs and if you are outside without a valid reason arrested and prison until lockdown is over.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Apparently you can travel. but not for exercise, that must start and stop at your house. Luckily for us, we have woodland and beach within walking distance from ours.

That legal expert on the link saying they have done nothing wrong?

Considering over 1000 people are dying a day ,its seems ridiculously trivial.

Well maybe we need something like this to stop over 1000 people dying a day.

What someone going for a walk?

But packed schools and shops are fine?

Neither.

There seems to be too much effort put into finding loopholes in "the rules" and not enough put into tring to achieve what the intention is behind the rules.

If everyone had a decent sense of responsibility we wouldn't need rules.

But hey ... we all have "rights", the consequences can go hang."

100% agree ... people want to follow the letter also means there are loopholes when principals based approach of what are we trying to achieve here seems much better way to look at it

unfortunately the law has to work on the letter of and not the principal so we will always have places it doesn’t quite fit or seem to make sense but thats why we have judges to set precedent and interpret the law

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Apparently you can travel. but not for exercise, that must start and stop at your house. Luckily for us, we have woodland and beach within walking distance from ours.

That legal expert on the link saying they have done nothing wrong?

Considering over 1000 people are dying a day ,its seems ridiculously trivial.

also police and nhs don’t use the same resource so in that respect its not focus on one or the other "

1000s of people are dying because people are going out for walks?

And not because of schools or shops or most places of businesses that have stayed open?

I meant the actual incident is trivial..the legal expert on the link clearly states they have broke no rules but clearly this is up for debate.

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over a year ago

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By *eard-lincolnMan
over a year ago

near lincoln

Apparently you can travel. but not for exercise, that must start and stop at your house. Luckily for us, we have woodland and beach within walking distance from ours.

That legal expert on the link saying they have done nothing wrong?

Considering over 1000 people are dying a day ,its seems ridiculously trivial.

also police and nhs don’t use the same resource so in that respect its not focus on one or the other

1000s of people are dying because people are going out for walks?

And not because of schools or shops or most places of businesses that have stayed open?

I meant the actual incident is trivial..the legal expert on the link clearly states they have broke no rules but clearly this is up for debate. "

After reading up on what the expert writes, he seems intent on providing people with loopholes to flout the coronavirus guidelines. And has been doing so since March. His Twitter feed is him arguing with other experts that have a different take on the guidelines .

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"So I’ve just read a story in the news that two people drove to an area (about 5 miles) in separate cars to exercise together. They also had hot drinks with them.

The police fined them £200 each and said they were breaking rules as it was classed as a picnic.

Do you think this is heavy handed? Or just?

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Sounds it but there attitude may have been the problem we do not know this

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By *limmatureguyMan
over a year ago

Tonbridge

I France you were allowed to be up to 1km from home. That is far enough for exercise. If you are exercising you don't need a hot drink.

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By *ensual massagerMan
over a year ago

Bolton

My son is a covid nurse.

Covid is real but the authorities response verges on the police state"

Absolutely superb but as I've been saying for months, there's hundreds and hundreds on this site alone running and begging for a police state

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By *ensual massagerMan
over a year ago

Bolton

My son is a covid nurse.

Covid is real but the authorities response verges on the police state

Police have always attended any burglary I’ve reported. Hate seeing this used in every argument against the police. They are set their tasks like everyone else.

No One needs to take the police to court to fight them. Just bloody behave . "

Perhaps living in Greater Manchester you might be different.. Over 80,000 crimes shoved under the carpet

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By *ensual massagerMan
over a year ago

Bolton

"The advice is stay at home you do not need to drive 5 miles to take a walk."

Does it actually say 5 miles?

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By *ensual massagerMan
over a year ago

Bolton

"What do people really expect when they’re blinding following “rules” and believing all the propaganda they hear? You wanted state control, here it is. "

Yep, absolutely. People have been begging for it and now it's started.. Will they relinquish this power?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Apparently you can travel. but not for exercise, that must start and stop at your house. Luckily for us, we have woodland and beach within walking distance from ours.

That legal expert on the link saying they have done nothing wrong?

Considering over 1000 people are dying a day ,its seems ridiculously trivial.

also police and nhs don’t use the same resource so in that respect its not focus on one or the other

1000s of people are dying because people are going out for walks?

And not because of schools or shops or most places of businesses that have stayed open?

I meant the actual incident is trivial..the legal expert on the link clearly states they have broke no rules but clearly this is up for debate. "

1000s of people are dying because people cant just stay at home within their own bubble and therefore are creating additional opportunities for the virus to spread

wether that be pals out walking at reservoirs , people visiting family in houses, swingers having meets or whole households packing into the shops together when one parent could go on their own ... it all adds to the problem

stay at home as much as possible ... thats the message ... bugger the law its the responsible thing to do

have you heard her interview? she sounds smug entitled and loving the media attention around it to me ... hardly an essential trip for her mental health although that is just my opinion so i await the barrage of abuse for it

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By *crumdiddlyumptiousMan
over a year ago

Fined while traveling in separate cars and being out in the open.

I would just ignore/refuse to pay the fine the fine while electricians, Builders, factory workers etc are being told you can go to work

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By *ensual massagerMan
over a year ago

Bolton

"To be fair I can see Both sides,Ashby is a very beautiful place and plenty of places to go for a walk out of the way of everyone else and they did cross into another county but giving them a telling off for having a warm drink with them takes the piss a little,"

Isn't it better, especially in the winter, to take a warm/hot drink with you rather than calling into a cafe for a take away and possibly coming into contact with someone?

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By *ensual massagerMan
over a year ago

Bolton

That's old hat now. So last year. However, you're closer to a police state than England.. Remember, we don't have an assembly..

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By *ecretlyASoftieWoman
over a year ago

Hull but travel regularly

"5 miles from home is not local. It is rarely necessary to drive to exercise.

If they regularly walked or cycled 10 miles a day and the reservoir was on their route then they are justified in complaining.

Their exercise looked more like a social wander drinking a takeaway coffee so they were, quite correctly, fined.

Shame on them for wanting to see a friend....

Police state coming

Coming? It’s here! At least they didn’t have snowballs

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

Isn't it better, especially in the winter, to take a warm/hot drink with you rather than calling into a cafe for a take away and possibly coming into contact with someone? "

You missed the point they were carrying takeaway drinks then from a well known supplier then

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By *ensual massagerMan
over a year ago

Bolton

Apparently you can travel. but not for exercise, that must start and stop at your house. Luckily for us, we have woodland and beach within walking distance from ours.

That legal expert on the link saying they have done nothing wrong?

Considering over 1000 people are dying a day ,its seems ridiculously trivial.

Well maybe we need something like this to stop over 1000 people dying a day.

What someone going for a walk?

But packed schools and shops are fine?

Neither.

There seems to be too much effort put into finding loopholes in "the rules" and not enough put into tring to achieve what the intention is behind the rules.

If everyone had a decent sense of responsibility we wouldn't need rules.

But hey ... we all have "rights", the consequences can go hang."

You vill have no rights left vatsover