FabSwingers.com forum: Concerts in 2021?

By *.D.I.D.A.S OP Man
over a year ago

London/Essex... ish... Romford to be exact

I am surprised some artists and promoters are scheduling tours for as early as March in the UK if my emails are anything to go by. Even this summer seems optimistic for a return. I imagine that any performances would have to be in front of reduced capacities, especially indoor events. Presumably masks will be mandatory as will social distancing not to mention the prohibition of singing in the audience. Would they even turn a profit in this scenario? Personally, I don't feel that passionate about any particular artists to attend for a diluted experience. For me the experience is not simply about the act but also the experience of being in a full crowd. I would love to enjoy a gig and support some artists but I just can't see it happening this year. Are you guys expectant of gigs returning for 2021? Has anyone bought any tickets already? My take on it is that promoters just want to hold onto some cash from their customers similar to what some football clubs have done.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Dream on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can't stand the pessimism.

If all of the vulnerable are vaccinated by mid February then why not.

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire

"Personally, I don't feel that passionate about any particular artists to attend for a diluted experience. For me the experience is not simply about the act but also the experience of being in a full crowd. "

Speaking as a musician, that works both ways - I wouldn't feel excited at playing to a small audience.

However, I'm lucky insofar as its been a few ywars since I relied on just music to pay the bills.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can't stand the pessimism.

If all of the vulnerable are vaccinated by mid February then why not."

Half the vulnerable will be vaccinated by mid February. It's OK to be optimistic but I think it is unrealistic to think we are gonna see anything close to "normal" until at least April.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Dont we have to get at least 60% of the population vaccinated before “ normal “ returns ? It ain’t just the over 80s who catch and die from covid

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

I have tickets for a concert in October but that was rearranged from 2020 and bought in 2019. I doubt it will go ahead as planned

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There wont be any concerts or festivals in 2021 . Promoters , organisers ,artists and road crew need to wake up and stop selling tickets and giving people false hope . As if Glastonbury is going to go ahead this yr, dream on.

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By *oubleswing2019Man
over a year ago

Colchester

Large 5K+ people events ? Highly unlikely.

Smaller events, perhaps 0-200 people who have submitted their vaccination certifications at point of ticket ordering ? More likely.

Ticketmaster and a number of other online ticketing businesses have been exploring the latter option for a while now.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It's perhaps like the budget airlines selling flight tickets in the new year, presumably because it inflates their bank balance, rather than there being a realistic probability of us flocking en masse to countries welcoming us with open arms.

The event industry has fared really badly and I have much sympathy for those working in it who've had minimal support.

I can't see many concerts being practical until next year

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can't stand the pessimism.

If all of the vulnerable are vaccinated by mid February then why not."

Even if that were likely, which it's not, the vunerable are unlikely to be the ones attending these events.

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By *he Mac LassWoman
over a year ago

Hefty Hideaway

I’m still dreaming and have hopes of rescheduled gigs!

Live events are one of my greatest pleasures and I support them where I can. I hope we get to see them this summer.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

The country is in lockdown until March at least. I can't imagine they'll be encouraging mass gatherings any time soon.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"I can't stand the pessimism.

If all of the vulnerable are vaccinated by mid February then why not."

It won't be done by mid February. Also, vaccination does not stop transmission or catching it. It only will lessen symptoms. It is not a miracle cure that will instantly get things back to how they were. We could well be in lockdown until mid March this time. I would think any concerts would be virtual ones for the foreseeable future.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hopeful but not looking likely. I've got 2 rearranged gigs scheduled in oct and sept this year and one thats been bounced to March 2022. One venue cancelled so I left my money with them. One of the rearranged gigs was moved from Gorrila to Albert Halls in Manchester after Gorilla went bust and unfortunately I see a few more following suit this year.

NME ran an article on 2 October 2020 - How you can do your bit to help save the future of live music. Its worth looking at, and donating to one of the charities if you can.

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By *umslaveTV/TS
over a year ago

Sheffield

I am missing live music beyond all reason. I normally perform at several festivals a year and did nothing at all last year. It's killing me and I'm really missing that life. When this all finishes I'm going to shitloads of gigs.

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire

Thinking about it, this is my first year in the last 40 that I've not played a single live gig.

Still doing some odd remote recording stuff but I really miss not being able to take the piss out of drummers face to face (or elbow to face as they often struggle with body part recognition).

I've got 6 gigs tentatively booked for the latter part of this year but they're more 'just in case' placeholders and I fully expect them to be caled off.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can't stand the pessimism.

If all of the vulnerable are vaccinated by mid February then why not.

Even if that were likely, which it's not, the vunerable are unlikely to be the ones attending these events.

That's not true, im vunerable but go to loads of live events. This is where people have misunderstood from the beginning because they assume that if you are vulnerable to this virus somehow you normally live quite a diminished life where actually quite often that is not the case.

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By *uliaChrisCouple
over a year ago

westerham

"There wont be any concerts or festivals in 2021 . Promoters , organisers ,artists and road crew need to wake up and stop selling tickets and giving people false hope . As if Glastonbury is going to go ahead this yr, dream on."

This ^^^^be very surprised if anything large scale happens until at least Autumn

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This ^^^^be very surprised if anything large scale happens until at least Autumn "

I agree. I hope and expect that some live music events will be able to go ahead by late summer but it won't be on the scale we are used to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can't stand the pessimism.

If all of the vulnerable are vaccinated by mid February then why not.

Even if that were likely, which it's not, the vunerable are unlikely to be the ones attending these events.

Absolutely! I'm shielding again but before this week I was open water swimming, doing lengthy hikes, etc. I go to live music events and theatre regularly. "Vulnerable" does NOT mean aged or terminally ill.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can't stand the pessimism.

If all of the vulnerable are vaccinated by mid February then why not.

Even if that were likely, which it's not, the vunerable are unlikely to be the ones attending these events.

Same for us and this has been the problem from the very beginning it is an assumption the anybody that is vulnerable to this virus is at death's door anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can't stand the pessimism.

If all of the vulnerable are vaccinated by mid February then why not.

Even if that were likely, which it's not, the vunerable are unlikely to be the ones attending these events.

Out of interest and you don't have to answer this but do you still go for walks if you feel it safe? We do but we don't go far from home and go at the quietest possible times.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can't stand the pessimism.

If all of the vulnerable are vaccinated by mid February then why not.

Even if that were likely, which it's not, the vunerable are unlikely to be the ones attending these events.

Out of interest and you don't have to answer this but do you still go for walks if you feel it safe? We do but we don't go far from home and go at the quietest possible times."

I do. Walking keeps me sane and it's easy to avoid people in the hills. Swimming is trickier as you can't wild swim on your own; it's too risky, especially in these temperatures.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can't stand the pessimism.

If all of the vulnerable are vaccinated by mid February then why not.

Even if that were likely, which it's not, the vunerable are unlikely to be the ones attending these events.

Out of interest and you don't have to answer this but do you still go for walks if you feel it safe? We do but we don't go far from home and go at the quietest possible times.

I do. Walking keeps me sane and it's easy to avoid people in the hills. Swimming is trickier as you can't wild swim on your own; it's too risky, especially in these temperatures. "

I'm glad you are able to get out.

Yes its tricky but I hope you can start swimming again soon.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

id like to hope the virgin outdoor arena in newcastle would get the green light to go ahead again this year (maybe as early as spring) as it was all social distanced pods for i think 2 household no more than 6 and was purpose designed with covid in mind

i am sure i heard they were going to try roll it out in other cities too

but normal gigs in normal venues i think are a while off yet

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By *ax777Man
over a year ago

Not here

"id like to hope the virgin outdoor arena in newcastle would get the green light to go ahead again this year (maybe as early as spring) as it was all social distanced pods for i think 2 household no more than 6 and was purpose designed with covid in mind

i am sure i heard they were going to try roll it out in other cities too

but normal gigs in normal venues i think are a while off yet "

The Virgin outdoor arena was very well organised.

There were pods for 2, 4 and 6 people. The only downside was the night we went it was bloody freezing. I think the last couple of gigs had to be cancelled due to further restrictions being implemented.

Only gig in my calendar this year is for December so I’m hopeful that we will have some semblance of normality by then.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This morning are new local health officer was on radio sheffield he recons summer at earliest but still restrictions till after next Christmas so can't see much going on.

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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

I have gigs & races held over from last year, some moved twice already. I am reluctant to book new ones as at some point there pretty much has to be a clash of dates & then what , so hopefully soon, but realistically.. not confident. Can’t see me doing the live stream thing...buy a dvd instead, same thing..

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By *lansmanMan
over a year ago

Sheffield

"This morning are new local health officer was on radio sheffield he recons summer at earliest but still restrictions till after next Christmas so can't see much going on."

Like last year , 2021 is a busted flush.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There won't be any concerts in 2021

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By *osebud6688Woman
over a year ago

Northampton

I have tickets for a gig which was moved from 2020 to summer 2021 which I can’t see happening but I have tickets to see an orchestra in October which I’m really hoping goes ahead.

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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

I have tickets for Green Day with Fall Out Boy and Weezer as support at the London Stadium rolled over to this June from last and I am not expecting it to happen - 70,000 people in one stadium (many of whom will be from overseas) without guarantees of vaccinations etc just isn't feasible yet.

Question is will they roll it over for another year or cancel and refund? And if they do refund will they, as I have heard some agencies have been doing, retain the booking fee?

Someone has also done very nicely in interest from all these gigs - just that one Green Day gig with ticket prices at around £80 plus booking fees times 70,000 is around £6m in revenues earning interest for someone.

OK there's also lost revenues to account for I know but makes you think.

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By *orthern StarsCouple
over a year ago

Durham

We have tickets for a large music concert that I bought the tickets for in 2019. It was moved to June this year from June last year, but can't see it happening.

We also have quite a few tickets for other gigs and events that we bought this time last year.

Its depressing to think none of them will probably go ahead.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have tickets for Green Day with Fall Out Boy and Weezer as support at the London Stadium rolled over to this June from last and I am not expecting it to happen - 70,000 people in one stadium (many of whom will be from overseas) without guarantees of vaccinations etc just isn't feasible yet.

Question is will they roll it over for another year or cancel and refund? And if they do refund will they, as I have heard some agencies have been doing, retain the booking fee?

OK there's also lost revenues to account for I know but makes you think."

have you seen interest rates? doubt very much they will have made anything above what the have to pay out after the delay taking inflation into account

besides these companies most likely run much tighter liquidity than you imagine, money coming in wont be stuck in the bank for 2 years til an event happens, it will pay current bills then the income from next event will pay the original event costs when it happens etc etc and when the music stops .... uh oh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a sound engineer in the music industry I'm naturally keen to get back to work. Of course it needs to be safe. We are speaking with the Government closely as the vast majority of people who would attend live concerts should be able to do safely as low risk and the idea is the high risk are all vaccinated.

The Government seem to be keen to get concerts back asap as they really don't want us all unemployed (think of all that tax they'd miss) so the prognosis is good.

But be warned: the likes of Witty are already preparing a late Autumn lockdown we hear.

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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

Question is will they roll it over for another year or cancel and refund? And if they do refund will they, as I have heard some agencies have been doing, retain the booking fee?

OK there's also lost revenues to account for I know but makes you think.

have you seen interest rates? doubt very much they will have made anything above what the have to pay out after the delay taking inflation into account

Oh I know it's not quite as simple as that and there are operating costs and more to be taken into account, but even so if you multiply the revenues from all those gigs that have been held over, even the application of lower interest rates for a limited period adds up to quite a tidy sum - certainly more than enough to justify repaying booking fees rather than retaining them, as some agencies are doing, in the event they are ultimately cancelled, which I suspect many will be.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Question is will they roll it over for another year or cancel and refund? And if they do refund will they, as I have heard some agencies have been doing, retain the booking fee?

OK there's also lost revenues to account for I know but makes you think.

have you seen interest rates? doubt very much they will have made anything above what the have to pay out after the delay taking inflation into account

my point is its highly unlikely that “revenue” is even sitting in a bank

booking fees don’t pay for the event, they pay for the booking infrastructure ... at this point you’ve had 2 bookings for the price of 1 ... yes i appreciate it wasn’t your fault it was rescheduled, but it also wasn’t the gig promoters and they still had to cover the admin cost of both those bookings... if companies like that go bust so people can get back booking fees that i imagine are between £3-£6 per person it would be a sad day

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"As a sound engineer in the music industry I'm naturally keen to get back to work. Of course it needs to be safe. We are speaking with the Government closely as the vast majority of people who would attend live concerts should be able to do safely as low risk and the idea is the high risk are all vaccinated.

The Government seem to be keen to get concerts back asap as they really don't want us all unemployed (think of all that tax they'd miss) so the prognosis is good.

But be warned: the likes of Witty are already preparing a late Autumn lockdown we hear. "

Sounds like 2021 is going to be worse than 2020.

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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

my point is its highly unlikely that “revenue” is even sitting in a bank

It's going to be sitting in someone's bank ultimately, which was the original point I was making - might not be the ticket promoter admittedly but will be someone or a group of someones.

I disagree that I've had effectively two bookings also - ALL that has happened is I've been told in one email that my original tickets (which hadn't been despatched yet anyway) would be valid for the rescheduled date - so the additional admin cost would have been minimal (and probably no more than the click of a mouse to send one mail en masse to anyone with a ticket).

Whilst it would be very sad for the staff impacted should those companies go bust - I really can't see the like of TicketShafter going under, and if they did, being totally honest (and admittedly selfish, not to mention going off at a tangent) I wouldn't shed much of a tear for the "company" given some of their practices down the years - the staff and customers impacted yes, but not the company.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

my point is its highly unlikely that “revenue” is even sitting in a bank

It's going to be sitting in someone's bank ultimately, which was the original point I was making - might not be the ticket promoter admittedly but will be someone or a group of someones.

its the staff, customers and artists that would suffer... so cutting all of their nose off to spite

also that rescheduled date had to be negotiated with artists, venues, sound, light, transport accommodation, and stage crew and set builders, security, catering, worked into a schedule of the full tour also going through the same renegotiations etc etc ... all of that takes work before they can send one en masse email as you suggest

if you have never organised an event its easy to imagine most of it just miraculously happens itself

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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

if you have never organised an event its easy to imagine most of it just miraculously happens itself "

Yes but as you pointed out further up "booking fees don’t pay for the event, they pay for the booking infrastructure" so have nothing to do with all of those things you have listed there - the ticket agencies will be told after the promoter, artist etc have re-negotiated and agreed everything what the re-scheduled date is and ALL the booking agencies have to do is inform the paying customers of the revised arrangements.

I'm aware that it's not quite as simple as it may sound and acknowledged that further up, certainly don't think gigs miraculously happen on their own, have been to enough to know that

The point still stands though that there have been large sums of money handed out by paying customers for events that have not gone ahead - much of the costs of putting them on will have been deferred until they do, so the money is sitting waiting to be spent somewhere and accruing interest until it is called upon - not all of it of course, but a sizeable chunk.

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By *.D.I.D.A.S OP Man
over a year ago

London/Essex... ish... Romford to be exact

Question is will they roll it over for another year or cancel and refund? And if they do refund will they, as I have heard some agencies have been doing, retain the booking fee?

OK there's also lost revenues to account for I know but makes you think."

I also have tickets. Neither the promoters nor the London Stadium operators wanted to cancel the event hence no announcement was made until the eleventh hour. If I recollect, the other tour dates managed to make announcements quite early on. Both sides were in dispute regarding taking responsibility for making the call to cancel/postpone the concert. I've no idea how it was resolved in the end. I read this in a West Ham forum in a thread about the stadium and revenues.

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By *heLaserGuyMan
over a year ago

Coventry

Ive been asked to run lasers at a bands first gig in March, its in Kent.

But with national lockdown not being lifted till March I very much doubt pubs will be open let alone venues for a large gig.

Id say your looking at 6 months at least before anything like a normal gig takes place - probably longer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Gigs, sporting crowds and nightclubs at full capacity returned in 2020 in New Zealand, China. Taiwan and South Korea to name a few, all without a vaccine. So need look no further to say there is hope. Anyone suggestion “no chance” is being overally pessimistic I think

Can’t see March Happening right enough, June seems possible in my opinion

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