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By *uliaChris OP   Couple
over a year ago

westerham

I think this sums up why this virus is spreading:

Friend at work has been ill since just after Christmas with what they described as just a cold.

When asked maybe they should have a test, shrugged it off saying they know it’s just a cold.

Still wasn’t getting better but said they’d give it a couple more days before testing as it was just a cold.

Haven’t been in work during this time but have been out to the shops etc

Finally had a test their cold and then admitted cough weren’t getting better and has had a positive test returned.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When your friend was ill they should of just got a test I was sick last year and got s test straight away just to be on the safe side same for anyone else

Just get a test if your ill or have symptoms it's easy and very quick to get from nhs online

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

Agree. Part of the problem is also the restricted list of symptoms upon which you can get a test in many places (asymptomatic testing isn't available everywhere). When I had it in late March/early April, loss of taste and smell wasn't on the UK list of symptoms, only temperature and cough. I had neither of those symptoms. I had absolutely zero taste/smell, splitting headache and tiredness. That's it.

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights

Lots of people are presenting with common cold symptoms and have tested positive with none of the main 3 coronavirus symptoms, we can only ride it out until the vaccinations are greatly reducing hospital admissions

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It seems madness to me that more people aren't using the symptom free testing places. Near me they are recommending you go twice a week.

Simple and quick test and results back same day.

Before and during Christmas the place was packed out. Now people don't seem to be bothering.

It's the key to lowering the spread.

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge


"I think this sums up why this virus is spreading:

Friend at work has been ill since just after Christmas with what they described as just a cold.

When asked maybe they should have a test, shrugged it off saying they know it’s just a cold.

Still wasn’t getting better but said they’d give it a couple more days before testing as it was just a cold.

Haven’t been in work during this time but have been out to the shops etc

Finally had a test their cold and then admitted cough weren’t getting better and has had a positive test returned. "
so your aware if you phone the covid line and tell them just checking as you have cold flu like symptoms you will be told your fine just carry on as usual no need for testing.

It's easy to lay blame but that's the guidance from the nhs

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By *eglieanCouple
over a year ago

Torbay

Is spreading because even people who are positive are out and about and arnt bothered about isolating. People are still meeting up, with no regard to who they are meeting and spreading it to. People are not going for a test even though they have symptoms in case they are told to isolate, and carry on as normal.

That's why we are in the shit.

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By *spotpleasurerMan
over a year ago

Norwich

At least your friend wasn't at work. There are many who don't want to be tested simply because they have to work to get paid.

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By *ympho6969Woman
over a year ago

glasgow

Its spreading for many reasons. As someone said, some people are asymptomatic so wouldnt have a clue they have it. These people can only isolate if told they have come in contact with people who have symptoms.

Its not a perfect system but if anyone had any symptoms its better to be safe than sorry and get tested immediately.

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By *ch WellMan
over a year ago

Scotland

Equally though I've had a cough for a while. Hasn't concerned me as I get this cough every year for asling as I can remember. People still back off and say I should get tested. Turns out I had to get tested due to an outbreak at work but I was as I suspected negative.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL


"At least your friend wasn't at work. There are many who don't want to be tested simply because they have to work to get paid."

And this is part of the problem if you are self employed, no work means no pay.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

There isn't just one reason the virus is spreading.

The overarching problem is that there are not the facilities and resources to deal with all the many problems thrown up by the virus. Simply asking us to stay at home, not mix etc is a sticking plaster on a gaping wound. There are too many reasons people need to go somewhere.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There isn't just one reason the virus is spreading.

The overarching problem is that there are not the facilities and resources to deal with all the many problems thrown up by the virus. Simply asking us to stay at home, not mix etc is a sticking plaster on a gaping wound. There are too many reasons people need to go somewhere. "

Yes, this is true.

I live alone and would have to inconvenience several people for help if I had to isolate.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"There isn't just one reason the virus is spreading.

The overarching problem is that there are not the facilities and resources to deal with all the many problems thrown up by the virus. Simply asking us to stay at home, not mix etc is a sticking plaster on a gaping wound. There are too many reasons people need to go somewhere.

Yes, this is true.

I live alone and would have to inconvenience several people for help if I had to isolate."

My mum's in hospital at the moment. It's going to be impossible for her to isolate when she gets home. She's been in a place where 50% of the beds have covid patients in them and a major incident has been declared. When she gets home she will have carers two to three times a day, there are three or four of them and they go to several households in a day. My father will be there obviously. If she's caught covid all those people will be at risk and it will be like throwing a pebble in a pond.

It's time to stop blaming everyone else and realise that we can only do so much to stop this but that those of us who can stay at home absolutely should.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"There isn't just one reason the virus is spreading.

The overarching problem is that there are not the facilities and resources to deal with all the many problems thrown up by the virus. Simply asking us to stay at home, not mix etc is a sticking plaster on a gaping wound. There are too many reasons people need to go somewhere.

Yes, this is true.

I live alone and would have to inconvenience several people for help if I had to isolate.

My mum's in hospital at the moment. It's going to be impossible for her to isolate when she gets home. She's been in a place where 50% of the beds have covid patients in them and a major incident has been declared. When she gets home she will have carers two to three times a day, there are three or four of them and they go to several households in a day. My father will be there obviously. If she's caught covid all those people will be at risk and it will be like throwing a pebble in a pond.

It's time to stop blaming everyone else and realise that we can only do so much to stop this but that those of us who can stay at home absolutely should. "

Spot on.

Everyone is blaming the 'idiots'but only a tiny minority are flouting the rules.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL


"There isn't just one reason the virus is spreading.

The overarching problem is that there are not the facilities and resources to deal with all the many problems thrown up by the virus. Simply asking us to stay at home, not mix etc is a sticking plaster on a gaping wound. There are too many reasons people need to go somewhere.

Yes, this is true.

I live alone and would have to inconvenience several people for help if I had to isolate.

My mum's in hospital at the moment. It's going to be impossible for her to isolate when she gets home. She's been in a place where 50% of the beds have covid patients in them and a major incident has been declared. When she gets home she will have carers two to three times a day, there are three or four of them and they go to several households in a day. My father will be there obviously. If she's caught covid all those people will be at risk and it will be like throwing a pebble in a pond.

It's time to stop blaming everyone else and realise that we can only do so much to stop this but that those of us who can stay at home absolutely should.

Spot on.

Everyone is blaming the 'idiots'but only a tiny minority are flouting the rules.

"

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By *uzz And WoodyCouple
over a year ago

Maidstone

Another issue is those who test positive but feel ok so still go out!! They might feel ok but the people they come into contact with might not survive it. So selfish!!

Lou xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There isn't just one reason the virus is spreading.

The overarching problem is that there are not the facilities and resources to deal with all the many problems thrown up by the virus. Simply asking us to stay at home, not mix etc is a sticking plaster on a gaping wound. There are too many reasons people need to go somewhere.

Yes, this is true.

I live alone and would have to inconvenience several people for help if I had to isolate.

My mum's in hospital at the moment. It's going to be impossible for her to isolate when she gets home. She's been in a place where 50% of the beds have covid patients in them and a major incident has been declared. When she gets home she will have carers two to three times a day, there are three or four of them and they go to several households in a day. My father will be there obviously. If she's caught covid all those people will be at risk and it will be like throwing a pebble in a pond.

It's time to stop blaming everyone else and realise that we can only do so much to stop this but that those of us who can stay at home absolutely should.

Spot on.

Everyone is blaming the 'idiots'but only a tiny minority are flouting the rules.

"

Really? Yet I’ve seen 6 status’s on my feed this morning from people wanting meets or who have meets planned at the weekend. However it only takes 1 of those I mentioned to be a symptomatic they meet and pass it on. So it more than a small minority breaking rules.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"There isn't just one reason the virus is spreading.

The overarching problem is that there are not the facilities and resources to deal with all the many problems thrown up by the virus. Simply asking us to stay at home, not mix etc is a sticking plaster on a gaping wound. There are too many reasons people need to go somewhere.

Yes, this is true.

I live alone and would have to inconvenience several people for help if I had to isolate.

My mum's in hospital at the moment. It's going to be impossible for her to isolate when she gets home. She's been in a place where 50% of the beds have covid patients in them and a major incident has been declared. When she gets home she will have carers two to three times a day, there are three or four of them and they go to several households in a day. My father will be there obviously. If she's caught covid all those people will be at risk and it will be like throwing a pebble in a pond.

It's time to stop blaming everyone else and realise that we can only do so much to stop this but that those of us who can stay at home absolutely should.

Spot on.

Everyone is blaming the 'idiots'but only a tiny minority are flouting the rules.

Really? Yet I’ve seen 6 status’s on my feed this morning from people wanting meets or who have meets planned at the weekend. However it only takes 1 of those I mentioned to be a symptomatic they meet and pass it on. So it more than a small minority breaking rules. "

How many people are on this site?

1000's?

100's of 1000's

6 is hardly a majority

Every single profile I have read has stated not meeting now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There isn't just one reason the virus is spreading.

The overarching problem is that there are not the facilities and resources to deal with all the many problems thrown up by the virus. Simply asking us to stay at home, not mix etc is a sticking plaster on a gaping wound. There are too many reasons people need to go somewhere.

Yes, this is true.

I live alone and would have to inconvenience several people for help if I had to isolate.

My mum's in hospital at the moment. It's going to be impossible for her to isolate when she gets home. She's been in a place where 50% of the beds have covid patients in them and a major incident has been declared. When she gets home she will have carers two to three times a day, there are three or four of them and they go to several households in a day. My father will be there obviously. If she's caught covid all those people will be at risk and it will be like throwing a pebble in a pond.

It's time to stop blaming everyone else and realise that we can only do so much to stop this but that those of us who can stay at home absolutely should.

Spot on.

Everyone is blaming the 'idiots'but only a tiny minority are flouting the rules.

Really? Yet I’ve seen 6 status’s on my feed this morning from people wanting meets or who have meets planned at the weekend. However it only takes 1 of those I mentioned to be a symptomatic they meet and pass it on. So it more than a small minority breaking rules.

How many people are on this site?

1000's?

100's of 1000's

6 is hardly a majority

Every single profile I have read has stated not meeting now."

6 in my local area..... just takes 1 of them to pass it on our local hospital has already been in crisis measures this week.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"At least your friend wasn't at work. There are many who don't want to be tested simply because they have to work to get paid.

And this is part of the problem if you are self employed, no work means no pay. "

Even if you are employed, if your company drops you to statutory sick pay after 3 days then you can lose a huge chunk of a months wages, at a time when things are already nightmarish!

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"There isn't just one reason the virus is spreading.

The overarching problem is that there are not the facilities and resources to deal with all the many problems thrown up by the virus. Simply asking us to stay at home, not mix etc is a sticking plaster on a gaping wound. There are too many reasons people need to go somewhere.

Yes, this is true.

I live alone and would have to inconvenience several people for help if I had to isolate.

My mum's in hospital at the moment. It's going to be impossible for her to isolate when she gets home. She's been in a place where 50% of the beds have covid patients in them and a major incident has been declared. When she gets home she will have carers two to three times a day, there are three or four of them and they go to several households in a day. My father will be there obviously. If she's caught covid all those people will be at risk and it will be like throwing a pebble in a pond.

It's time to stop blaming everyone else and realise that we can only do so much to stop this but that those of us who can stay at home absolutely should.

Spot on.

Everyone is blaming the 'idiots'but only a tiny minority are flouting the rules.

Really? Yet I’ve seen 6 status’s on my feed this morning from people wanting meets or who have meets planned at the weekend. However it only takes 1 of those I mentioned to be a symptomatic they meet and pass it on. So it more than a small minority breaking rules.

How many people are on this site?

1000's?

100's of 1000's

6 is hardly a majority

Every single profile I have read has stated not meeting now.

6 in my local area..... just takes 1 of them to pass it on our local hospital has already been in crisis measures this week.

"

I'm not saying people are breaking the rules.

But even in the most hit areas it's what,1 in 50?

If it was the majority,surely this figure would be much higher?

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By *randmrsc30Couple
over a year ago

East Riding

I was in IC with COVID I had no coughing, no loss of taste and no breathing problems ( until it was too late) all I had was (TMI) diarrhoea. I didn’t get a test until I woke up one morning unable to breathe and was rushed to hospital in an ambulance. They tested me when I got there. One of the main problems is the symptoms it’s so different for everyone. When my husband got it he had a bad cough and loss of taste he got tested immediately. None of our three kids got it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"At least your friend wasn't at work. There are many who don't want to be tested simply because they have to work to get paid.

And this is part of the problem if you are self employed, no work means no pay.

Even if you are employed, if your company drops you to statutory sick pay after 3 days then you can lose a huge chunk of a months wages, at a time when things are already nightmarish!"

If you are actually self employed and not a "director" of your own company then SEISS is there.

I claimed first 80% grant. Was back working for 2nd 70% grant so didn't need to claim. November and current lockdown meant I lost work again so claimed 3rd grant.

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By *lan157Man
over a year ago

a village near Haywards Heath in East Sussex


"Another issue is those who test positive but feel ok so still go out!! They might feel ok but the people they come into contact with might not survive it. So selfish!!

Lou xx"

"the people they come into contact with " should be wearing masks or are staying at home. In that way they will be protecting themselves. We are often to quick to blame "other people " in all circumstances .

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By *uzz And WoodyCouple
over a year ago

Maidstone


"Another issue is those who test positive but feel ok so still go out!! They might feel ok but the people they come into contact with might not survive it. So selfish!!

Lou xx

"the people they come into contact with " should be wearing masks or are staying at home. In that way they will be protecting themselves. We are often to quick to blame "other people " in all circumstances . "

Some of them were going to other people’s homes and not disclosing they had covid! I know a family of 3 who were all positive and went to a friends house for Christmas because they didn’t want to miss out!

And we wear masks to protect others, not ourselves! And some of us don’t have the opportunity to stay at home as we are key workers. Plus we need to go food shopping. It’s the ones with covid that should be staying at home.

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By *uliaChris OP   Couple
over a year ago

westerham


"There isn't just one reason the virus is spreading.

The overarching problem is that there are not the facilities and resources to deal with all the many problems thrown up by the virus. Simply asking us to stay at home, not mix etc is a sticking plaster on a gaping wound. There are too many reasons people need to go somewhere.

Yes, this is true.

I live alone and would have to inconvenience several people for help if I had to isolate.

My mum's in hospital at the moment. It's going to be impossible for her to isolate when she gets home. She's been in a place where 50% of the beds have covid patients in them and a major incident has been declared. When she gets home she will have carers two to three times a day, there are three or four of them and they go to several households in a day. My father will be there obviously. If she's caught covid all those people will be at risk and it will be like throwing a pebble in a pond.

It's time to stop blaming everyone else and realise that we can only do so much to stop this but that those of us who can stay at home absolutely should.

Spot on.

Everyone is blaming the 'idiots'but only a tiny minority are flouting the rules.

"

I’ve been the first to say that there is no such thing as a lockdown, clearly many many people have to move about and work as previously discussed simply to get food on the shelves, water through the pipes, medicines to the sick etc etc etc

BUT saying it’s a “tiny” minority disobeying the rules... not buying it. Even with self reporting 25% of people admitted breaking lockdown rules in December:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-lockdown-rules-broken-b1777592.html

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"There isn't just one reason the virus is spreading.

The overarching problem is that there are not the facilities and resources to deal with all the many problems thrown up by the virus. Simply asking us to stay at home, not mix etc is a sticking plaster on a gaping wound. There are too many reasons people need to go somewhere.

Yes, this is true.

I live alone and would have to inconvenience several people for help if I had to isolate.

My mum's in hospital at the moment. It's going to be impossible for her to isolate when she gets home. She's been in a place where 50% of the beds have covid patients in them and a major incident has been declared. When she gets home she will have carers two to three times a day, there are three or four of them and they go to several households in a day. My father will be there obviously. If she's caught covid all those people will be at risk and it will be like throwing a pebble in a pond.

It's time to stop blaming everyone else and realise that we can only do so much to stop this but that those of us who can stay at home absolutely should.

Spot on.

Everyone is blaming the 'idiots'but only a tiny minority are flouting the rules.

I’ve been the first to say that there is no such thing as a lockdown, clearly many many people have to move about and work as previously discussed simply to get food on the shelves, water through the pipes, medicines to the sick etc etc etc

BUT saying it’s a “tiny” minority disobeying the rules... not buying it. Even with self reporting 25% of people admitted breaking lockdown rules in December:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-lockdown-rules-broken-b1777592.html

"

Even if that is accurate that's a quarter.

If the majority of people were breaking the rules The cases would be much higher.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Personally I'd say the cases are going through the roof ee because of things like the schools staying open or people going to the shops as opposed to people breaking the rules.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham


"At least your friend wasn't at work. There are many who don't want to be tested simply because they have to work to get paid.

And this is part of the problem if you are self employed, no work means no pay.

Even if you are employed, if your company drops you to statutory sick pay after 3 days then you can lose a huge chunk of a months wages, at a time when things are already nightmarish!

If you are actually self employed and not a "director" of your own company then SEISS is there.

I claimed first 80% grant. Was back working for 2nd 70% grant so didn't need to claim. November and current lockdown meant I lost work again so claimed 3rd grant."

The second SEISS grant wasn't conditional on you working. You could have claimed and it wouldn't have been a problem.

The third grant is conditional on loss of profits, although I'm not sure how thats really defined!

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"I think this sums up why this virus is spreading:

Friend at work has been ill since just after Christmas with what they described as just a cold.

When asked maybe they should have a test, shrugged it off saying they know it’s just a cold.

Still wasn’t getting better but said they’d give it a couple more days before testing as it was just a cold.

Haven’t been in work during this time but have been out to the shops etc

Finally had a test their cold and then admitted cough weren’t getting better and has had a positive test returned. "
I think it is that some are scared to get tested maybe

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"Personally I'd say the cases are going through the roof ee because of things like the schools staying open or people going to the shops as opposed to people breaking the rules."
It is all three and more

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

Many reasons why still spreading inc:

1) Idiots ignoring rule/guidance

2) Govt being completely inept

3) Not closing airports or borders (17 flights a day arrived from New York when they had 50k + cases

4) Lack of adequate financial safety net (inc lowest statutory sick pay in Europe + huge gaps in support for self employed or Ltd Company Directors)

5) Eat Out To Help Out now resulting in Rishi’s Rona

6) Transferring untested elderly ppl back into care homes from hospital

7) Multiple ppl catching from hospital (when admitted for other reasons)

Etc

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