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"Hindsight is wonderful isn’t it ? Anyway that criminal should be in jail along with is awful wife" Yes absolutely. How did he swerve justice? | |||
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"Another Mr hindsight " His plans for involving the military to improve the vaccine rollout isn't hindsight  | |||
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"Not a political post, nor is it about his previous time in office. But every time I hear from him he talks sense about Covid and what should be done. If he was PM or involved in the government advisory service would we be in a better position than we current are? "The main issue I think people have with Tony Blair is nothing to do with his record in office. The main issue is he shows how inept the current occupant of 10 Downing Street is. | |||
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"Hindsight is wonderful isn’t it ? Anyway that criminal should be in jail along with is awful wife Yes absolutely. How did he swerve justice? " The same way Trump probably will  | |||
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"Not a political post, nor is it about his previous time in office. But every time I hear from him he talks sense about Covid and what should be done. If he was PM or involved in the government advisory service would we be in a better position than we current are?
The main issue I think people have with Tony Blair is nothing to do with his record in office. The main issue is he shows how inept the current occupant of 10 Downing Street is."Everytime there's an issue he's come on and said what needs to be done. It makes sense. The government then does something else that doesn't work. I just don't get it. | |||
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"Hindsight is wonderful isn’t it ? Anyway that criminal should be in jail along with is awful wife Yes absolutely. How did he swerve justice? The same way Trump probably will "And Trump is responsible for war crimes? | |||
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"Not a political post, nor is it about his previous time in office. But every time I hear from him he talks sense about Covid and what should be done. If he was PM or involved in the government advisory service would we be in a better position than we current are?
The main issue I think people have with Tony Blair is nothing to do with his record in office. The main issue is he shows how inept the current occupant of 10 Downing Street is.
Everytime there's an issue he's come on and said what needs to be done.
It makes sense.
The government then does something else that doesn't work.
I just don't get it."It's pretty telling that nobody is attacking his ideas just his record. | |||
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"Not a political post, nor is it about his previous time in office. But every time I hear from him he talks sense about Covid and what should be done. If he was PM or involved in the government advisory service would we be in a better position than we current are? "Who is he being sponsored by this time. He never says a word without a pay cheque. | |||
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"Are you saying under Mr Blair, things can only get better" We could write a song about that | |||
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"Are you saying under Mr Blair, things can only get better" I'm saying his ideas for handling the crisis and plans for what need to be done make sense, are blindingly obvious, yet our shit show of a government does something else that doesn't work. And I cant understand why | |||
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"Not a political post, nor is it about his previous time in office. But every time I hear from him he talks sense about Covid and what should be done. If he was PM or involved in the government advisory service would we be in a better position than we current are? "On Covid alone. He appears to speak sense. But it's relative. Compared to Boris, anyone else appears to be sensible, coherent and logical. | |||
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"Not a political post, nor is it about his previous time in office. But every time I hear from him he talks sense about Covid and what should be done. If he was PM or involved in the government advisory service would we be in a better position than we current are? " | |||
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"Not a political post, nor is it about his previous time in office. But every time I hear from him he talks sense about Covid and what should be done. If he was PM or involved in the government advisory service would we be in a better position than we current are?
The main issue I think people have with Tony Blair is nothing to do with his record in office. The main issue is he shows how inept the current occupant of 10 Downing Street is.
Everytime there's an issue he's come on and said what needs to be done.
It makes sense.
The government then does something else that doesn't work.
I just don't get it.
It's pretty telling that nobody is attacking his ideas just his record."He fucked up on one thing by being seduced by bush. The current crowd are fucking up on a daily basis. I liked the point that was made on testing on entry to our country...I mentioned on another thread that we need stiffer border control...all other counties are doing it. We have not tested one person on entry into our country since the beginning of this. | |||
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"Are you saying under Mr Blair, things can only get better I'm saying his ideas for handling the crisis and plans for what need to be done make sense, are blindingly obvious, yet our shit show of a government does something else that doesn't work. And I cant understand why "For example. When the crisis first started he said government needs to be restructured so that there's a proper Covid task force, instead of all secretary of state's handling an aspect whilst doing their other duties. Makes sense. His plans for when testing was shit and how to increase capacity. Made sense. His plans now for using the military to massively improve and quicken the vaccine roll out. Makes sense  | |||
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"Not a political post, nor is it about his previous time in office. But every time I hear from him he talks sense about Covid and what should be done. If he was PM or involved in the government advisory service would we be in a better position than we current are?
On Covid alone. He appears to speak sense. But it's relative.
Compared to Boris, anyone else appears to be sensible, coherent and logical."And that is the essence of the issue. Boris lacks substance, he's big on rhetoric about world beating and victory but when it comes to rubber meeting the road.......well | |||
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" It's pretty telling that nobody is attacking his ideas just his record. He fucked up on one thing by being seduced by bush. The current crowd are fucking up on a daily basis. I liked the point that was made on testing on entry to our country...I mentioned on another thread that we need stiffer border control...all other counties are doing it. We have not tested one person on entry into our country since the beginning of this." Did you see the number of penalty notices given to people who are not following arrival quarantine rules? It's less than 50 out of 30 odd million!  | |||
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"anything better than Johnson " Names? | |||
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"Are you saying under Mr Blair, things can only get better I'm saying his ideas for handling the crisis and plans for what need to be done make sense, are blindingly obvious, yet our shit show of a government does something else that doesn't work. And I cant understand why
For example.
When the crisis first started he said government needs to be restructured so that there's a proper Covid task force, instead of all secretary of state's handling an aspect whilst doing their other duties.
Makes sense.
His plans for when testing was shit and how to increase capacity.
Made sense.
His plans now for using the military to massively improve and quicken the vaccine roll out.
Makes sense
"Yes and I think a unity emergency govt is still the best way forward. I think you'll find many ex leaders start spouting sense when they are ex leaders as they are no longer weighed down by political parties and party sponsors who they are beholden to when in power. No longer craving votes. With age and experience comes wisdom. Sometimes you do finding yourself thinking... Why the fuck didn't they do that when they were in power? | |||
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"anything better than Johnson Names? " At this moment, the monster raving looney party | |||
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"Are you saying under Mr Blair, things can only get better I'm saying his ideas for handling the crisis and plans for what need to be done make sense, are blindingly obvious, yet our shit show of a government does something else that doesn't work. And I cant understand why
For example.
When the crisis first started he said government needs to be restructured so that there's a proper Covid task force, instead of all secretary of state's handling an aspect whilst doing their other duties.
Makes sense.
His plans for when testing was shit and how to increase capacity.
Made sense.
His plans now for using the military to massively improve and quicken the vaccine roll out.
Makes sense
Yes and I think a unity emergency govt is still the best way forward. I think you'll find many ex leaders start spouting sense when they are ex leaders as they are no longer weighed down by political parties and party sponsors who they are beholden to when in power. No longer craving votes. With age and experience comes wisdom. Sometimes you do finding yourself thinking... Why the fuck didn't they do that when they were in power?
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" It's pretty telling that nobody is attacking his ideas just his record. He fucked up on one thing by being seduced by bush. The current crowd are fucking up on a daily basis. I liked the point that was made on testing on entry to our country...I mentioned on another thread that we need stiffer border control...all other counties are doing it. We have not tested one person on entry into our country since the beginning of this. Did you see the number of penalty notices given to people who are not following arrival quarantine rules? It's less than 50 out of 30 odd million! "Yep it's a disgrace. We have this virus mutating every couple of months around the world (south African the latest) unless we get a grip on it by tests before they leave...tests on entry and a quarantine time like all other counties are doing, we will never get a grip on this. | |||
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"Hindsight is wonderful isn’t it ? Anyway that criminal should be in jail along with is awful wife Yes absolutely. How did he swerve justice? The same way Trump probably will "I didn't say he was. I responded to "that criminal" | |||
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" It's pretty telling that nobody is attacking his ideas just his record. He fucked up on one thing by being seduced by bush. The current crowd are fucking up on a daily basis. I liked the point that was made on testing on entry to our country...I mentioned on another thread that we need stiffer border control...all other counties are doing it. We have not tested one person on entry into our country since the beginning of this. Did you see the number of penalty notices given to people who are not following arrival quarantine rules? It's less than 50 out of 30 odd million! "People must be being bloody good at quarantining then. | |||
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" It's pretty telling that nobody is attacking his ideas just his record. He fucked up on one thing by being seduced by bush. The current crowd are fucking up on a daily basis. I liked the point that was made on testing on entry to our country...I mentioned on another thread that we need stiffer border control...all other counties are doing it. We have not tested one person on entry into our country since the beginning of this. Did you see the number of penalty notices given to people who are not following arrival quarantine rules? It's less than 50 out of 30 odd million!
Yep it's a disgrace.
We have this virus mutating every couple of months around the world (south African the latest) unless we get a grip on it by tests before they leave...tests on entry and a quarantine time like all other counties are doing, we will never get a grip on this."I understand the point about maybes not testing on arrival as it can take a few days to manifest and thus test negative. But clearly those numbers show our border quarantine system is shit | |||
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" It's pretty telling that nobody is attacking his ideas just his record. He fucked up on one thing by being seduced by bush. The current crowd are fucking up on a daily basis. I liked the point that was made on testing on entry to our country...I mentioned on another thread that we need stiffer border control...all other counties are doing it. We have not tested one person on entry into our country since the beginning of this. Did you see the number of penalty notices given to people who are not following arrival quarantine rules? It's less than 50 out of 30 odd million!
Yep it's a disgrace.
We have this virus mutating every couple of months around the world (south African the latest) unless we get a grip on it by tests before they leave...tests on entry and a quarantine time like all other counties are doing, we will never get a grip on this.
I understand the point about maybes not testing on arrival as it can take a few days to manifest and thus test negative.
But clearly those numbers show our border quarantine system is shit "Meh... Whose fault is it that quarantine is broken.? The person breaking it? Or the police for not catching them? The point I often make is.. This is all on us... Our behaviour, our choice to break the clear guidelines or in some cases laws. Even if we had enough police to enforce quarantine not a cat in bells chance that the fora won't be full of how we've become a police state. We can't have it both ways. Personally for now I wish we were a highly enforced police state for 6 months to get control of this situation. But many others feel differently... And as long as we keep doing that dance we will get the same outcomes. | |||
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" It's pretty telling that nobody is attacking his ideas just his record. He fucked up on one thing by being seduced by bush. The current crowd are fucking up on a daily basis. I liked the point that was made on testing on entry to our country...I mentioned on another thread that we need stiffer border control...all other counties are doing it. We have not tested one person on entry into our country since the beginning of this. Did you see the number of penalty notices given to people who are not following arrival quarantine rules? It's less than 50 out of 30 odd million!
Yep it's a disgrace.
We have this virus mutating every couple of months around the world (south African the latest) unless we get a grip on it by tests before they leave...tests on entry and a quarantine time like all other counties are doing, we will never get a grip on this.
I understand the point about maybes not testing on arrival as it can take a few days to manifest and thus test negative.
But clearly those numbers show our border quarantine system is shit
Meh... Whose fault is it that quarantine is broken.? The person breaking it? Or the police for not catching them?
The point I often make is..
This is all on us... Our behaviour, our choice to break the clear guidelines or in some cases laws.
Even if we had enough police to enforce quarantine not a cat in bells chance that the fora won't be full of how we've become a police state. We can't have it both ways.
Personally for now I wish we were a highly enforced police state for 6 months to get control of this situation. But many others feel differently... And as long as we keep doing that dance we will get the same outcomes. "When lockdown was announced on Monday I called for the Army to hit the streets to enforce the rules. I don't care about being called a police state. The situation is out of control. What's important now is saving lives. Get the Army out. Go hardcore on these Mofos!  | |||
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"No, just No . Worst post PM ever , untold damage to this country And the world . And that’s saying something No just NO" So you are saying his ideas are bad? | |||
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" It's pretty telling that nobody is attacking his ideas just his record. He fucked up on one thing by being seduced by bush. The current crowd are fucking up on a daily basis. I liked the point that was made on testing on entry to our country...I mentioned on another thread that we need stiffer border control...all other counties are doing it. We have not tested one person on entry into our country since the beginning of this. Did you see the number of penalty notices given to people who are not following arrival quarantine rules? It's less than 50 out of 30 odd million!
Yep it's a disgrace.
We have this virus mutating every couple of months around the world (south African the latest) unless we get a grip on it by tests before they leave...tests on entry and a quarantine time like all other counties are doing, we will never get a grip on this.
I understand the point about maybes not testing on arrival as it can take a few days to manifest and thus test negative.
But clearly those numbers show our border quarantine system is shit "The border system went shit on Blair’s watch surely ? | |||
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" It's pretty telling that nobody is attacking his ideas just his record. He fucked up on one thing by being seduced by bush. The current crowd are fucking up on a daily basis. I liked the point that was made on testing on entry to our country...I mentioned on another thread that we need stiffer border control...all other counties are doing it. We have not tested one person on entry into our country since the beginning of this. Did you see the number of penalty notices given to people who are not following arrival quarantine rules? It's less than 50 out of 30 odd million!
Yep it's a disgrace.
We have this virus mutating every couple of months around the world (south African the latest) unless we get a grip on it by tests before they leave...tests on entry and a quarantine time like all other counties are doing, we will never get a grip on this.
I understand the point about maybes not testing on arrival as it can take a few days to manifest and thus test negative.
But clearly those numbers show our border quarantine system is shit
The border system went shit on Blair’s watch surely ?"I think you'll find it's Priti Patel in charge of the border Covid quarantine system | |||
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"No, just No . Worst post PM ever , untold damage to this country And the world . And that’s saying something No just NO So you are saying his ideas are bad?" No offense but I wouldn’t take a single thing that the lying , pocket lining , self aggrandizing , war criminal said . The Nazi leadership were hung st Nuremberg for much the same as Blair and his buddy “ I want a war like my daddy had “ Bush | |||
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" It's pretty telling that nobody is attacking his ideas just his record. He fucked up on one thing by being seduced by bush. The current crowd are fucking up on a daily basis. I liked the point that was made on testing on entry to our country...I mentioned on another thread that we need stiffer border control...all other counties are doing it. We have not tested one person on entry into our country since the beginning of this. Did you see the number of penalty notices given to people who are not following arrival quarantine rules? It's less than 50 out of 30 odd million!
Yep it's a disgrace.
We have this virus mutating every couple of months around the world (south African the latest) unless we get a grip on it by tests before they leave...tests on entry and a quarantine time like all other counties are doing, we will never get a grip on this.
I understand the point about maybes not testing on arrival as it can take a few days to manifest and thus test negative.
But clearly those numbers show our border quarantine system is shit
The border system went shit on Blair’s watch surely ?
I think you'll find it's Priti Patel in charge of the border Covid quarantine system "You missed the point . The porous border really began when Blair was PM . | |||
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"have you ever done a little research onto blair since he left government, what he is involved in and who he is involved with ? did he lie about Iraq ? " That's irrelevant. If his ideas now can help us, how is that a bad thing? | |||
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"I'm amazed at how many are more concerned about his past, than his ideas to help now "He’s got no more right to publicly spout ideas than I have and mine would probably be crap ! Hitler had some good ideas . Doesn’t erase his record. Blair is scum of the first degree . I wouldn’t trust anything he gurgitated without thinking “ what’s in it for him “ | |||
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"For all his faults Blair was evidently more competent and also chose to surround himself with more competent people too. I have no doubt that he would have acted more decisively and sooner than Johnson but pretty much anyone would have. I didn't agree with the war in Iraq but in this comparison it's pretty evident that Johnson would have done the same had be been PM then." Along with the vast majority of the other politicians at the time. Parliament voted for the war in Iraq. | |||
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" It's pretty telling that nobody is attacking his ideas just his record. He fucked up on one thing by being seduced by bush. The current crowd are fucking up on a daily basis. I liked the point that was made on testing on entry to our country...I mentioned on another thread that we need stiffer border control...all other counties are doing it. We have not tested one person on entry into our country since the beginning of this. Did you see the number of penalty notices given to people who are not following arrival quarantine rules? It's less than 50 out of 30 odd million!
Yep it's a disgrace.
We have this virus mutating every couple of months around the world (south African the latest) unless we get a grip on it by tests before they leave...tests on entry and a quarantine time like all other counties are doing, we will never get a grip on this.
I understand the point about maybes not testing on arrival as it can take a few days to manifest and thus test negative.
But clearly those numbers show our border quarantine system is shit
The border system went shit on Blair’s watch surely ?
I think you'll find it's Priti Patel in charge of the border Covid quarantine system
You missed the point . The porous border really began when Blair was PM . "That's a whole different ball game as it was Europe's freedom of movement...we have come out of Europe so isn't it about time Patel got a grip on this? | |||
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"anything better than Johnson Names? " Custard from "Rhubarb and Custard". | |||
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" It's pretty telling that nobody is attacking his ideas just his record. He fucked up on one thing by being seduced by bush. The current crowd are fucking up on a daily basis. I liked the point that was made on testing on entry to our country...I mentioned on another thread that we need stiffer border control...all other counties are doing it. We have not tested one person on entry into our country since the beginning of this. Did you see the number of penalty notices given to people who are not following arrival quarantine rules? It's less than 50 out of 30 odd million!
Yep it's a disgrace.
We have this virus mutating every couple of months around the world (south African the latest) unless we get a grip on it by tests before they leave...tests on entry and a quarantine time like all other counties are doing, we will never get a grip on this.
I understand the point about maybes not testing on arrival as it can take a few days to manifest and thus test negative.
But clearly those numbers show our border quarantine system is shit
The border system went shit on Blair’s watch surely ?
I think you'll find it's Priti Patel in charge of the border Covid quarantine system
You missed the point . The porous border really began when Blair was PM .
That's a whole different ball game as it was Europe's freedom of movement...we have come out of Europe so isn't it about time Patel got a grip on this?"I don’t disagree . I think our open border policy has now been shown up as the farce it truly is and it should be expedited | |||
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" It's pretty telling that nobody is attacking his ideas just his record. He fucked up on one thing by being seduced by bush. The current crowd are fucking up on a daily basis. I liked the point that was made on testing on entry to our country...I mentioned on another thread that we need stiffer border control...all other counties are doing it. We have not tested one person on entry into our country since the beginning of this. Did you see the number of penalty notices given to people who are not following arrival quarantine rules? It's less than 50 out of 30 odd million!
Yep it's a disgrace.
We have this virus mutating every couple of months around the world (south African the latest) unless we get a grip on it by tests before they leave...tests on entry and a quarantine time like all other counties are doing, we will never get a grip on this.
I understand the point about maybes not testing on arrival as it can take a few days to manifest and thus test negative.
But clearly those numbers show our border quarantine system is shit
The border system went shit on Blair’s watch surely ?
I think you'll find it's Priti Patel in charge of the border Covid quarantine system
You missed the point . The porous border really began when Blair was PM .
That's a whole different ball game as it was Europe's freedom of movement...we have come out of Europe so isn't it about time Patel got a grip on this?
I don’t disagree . I think our open border policy has now been shown up as the farce it truly is and it should be expedited " | |||
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"anything better than Johnson Names? Custard from "Rhubarb and Custard"." Brilliant ! Boris’ role model is Churchill . I don’t like Churchill for various reasons but could you just picture Boris in 1940 ?????? | |||
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"Not a political post, nor is it about his previous time in office. But every time I hear from him he talks sense about Covid and what should be done. If he was PM or involved in the government advisory service would we be in a better position than we current are? "What so many here clearly overlook or don't understand is that it's not just one person doing things. There's a team and in that team there are those with knowledge and understanding better than the leader. Most decisions are based up external factors and how they are seen in the light of the current situation presented. Easy for outside Googlists to criticise but the question remains who's better qualified? People have opinions which may be valid but doesn't mean they work. So many criticise another's approach but have no track record themselves. | |||
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"Not a political post, nor is it about his previous time in office. But every time I hear from him he talks sense about Covid and what should be done. If he was PM or involved in the government advisory service would we be in a better position than we current are?
What so many here clearly overlook or don't understand is that it's not just one person doing things. There's a team and in that team there are those with knowledge and understanding better than the leader. Most decisions are based up external factors and how they are seen in the light of the current situation presented.
Easy for outside Googlists to criticise but the question remains who's better qualified? People have opinions which may be valid but doesn't mean they work. So many criticise another's approach but have no track record themselves."You’re not wrong . But the PM is called the OM for a reason and the buck stops somewhere . If a company fails it’s the ultimate responsibility of the MD, not his board of directors | |||
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"Not a political post, nor is it about his previous time in office. But every time I hear from him he talks sense about Covid and what should be done. If he was PM or involved in the government advisory service would we be in a better position than we current are?
What so many here clearly overlook or don't understand is that it's not just one person doing things. There's a team and in that team there are those with knowledge and understanding better than the leader. Most decisions are based up external factors and how they are seen in the light of the current situation presented.
Easy for outside Googlists to criticise but the question remains who's better qualified? People have opinions which may be valid but doesn't mean they work. So many criticise another's approach but have no track record themselves.
You’re not wrong . But the PM is called the OM for a reason and the buck stops somewhere . If a company fails it’s the ultimate responsibility of the MD, not his board of directors "How long would he have lasted as a football manager | |||
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"Not a political post, nor is it about his previous time in office. But every time I hear from him he talks sense about Covid and what should be done. If he was PM or involved in the government advisory service would we be in a better position than we current are?
What so many here clearly overlook or don't understand is that it's not just one person doing things. There's a team and in that team there are those with knowledge and understanding better than the leader. Most decisions are based up external factors and how they are seen in the light of the current situation presented.
Easy for outside Googlists to criticise but the question remains who's better qualified? People have opinions which may be valid but doesn't mean they work. So many criticise another's approach but have no track record themselves.
You’re not wrong . But the PM is called the OM for a reason and the buck stops somewhere . If a company fails it’s the ultimate responsibility of the MD, not his board of directors
How long would he have lasted as a football manager "At least less footballers would have died !! | |||
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"Oh dear. Once a liar? Mr. Tony Bliar " All polititions are the same because it is impossible to run a country with total honesty. Tony Blair had his faults but he is a very clever man and on the virus he talks a lot of sense. I find this slagging of of leaders very sad whatever there political colour.You do not win three elections if useless | |||
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"Not a political post, nor is it about his previous time in office. But every time I hear from him he talks sense about Covid and what should be done. If he was PM or involved in the government advisory service would we be in a better position than we current are?
What so many here clearly overlook or don't understand is that it's not just one person doing things. There's a team and in that team there are those with knowledge and understanding better than the leader. Most decisions are based up external factors and how they are seen in the light of the current situation presented.
Easy for outside Googlists to criticise but the question remains who's better qualified? People have opinions which may be valid but doesn't mean they work. So many criticise another's approach but have no track record themselves."And who selected the team and under what criteria. | |||
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"He'd definitely be much better than a serial failure, who has cleared the cabinet for those who serve him but pose no challenge, falling below his dismal level of competence. Like Trump, he's a narcissist, full of wind to inflate his ego. Blair was the source of the approach to delay 2nd vaccine doses, to get more people having 1 dose much more quickly. It's another of the Me Second tactics that Johnson did, in his painful delays for getting to do the things that others show clearly. If Blair had just been elected a few months before the outbreak, it would definitely have been handled much, much better. His choice of cabinet ministers was also to give competence. He's older and presumably wiser now, albeit with a cloud over him. Definitely more intelligent and competent than this mess of an individual and cronies, who appear unwilling to learn from their experience in government, at huge costs, including tens of thousands of deaths. The latest failure, was the persistent leaking of the lockdown that was to come in November, which caused huge spikes in infections, before it came, as people socialised whilst they could, having been given the luxury of over a weeks notice of it coming. As with Cummings, he's taken no action. These 2 episodes have caused crashes in public trust and increasing infections and losses of lives. Unforgivable. " I totally agree ( on the last bit ) | |||
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"He'd definitely be much better than a serial failure, who has cleared the cabinet for those who serve him but pose no challenge, falling below his dismal level of competence. Like Trump, he's a narcissist, full of wind to inflate his ego. Blair was the source of the approach to delay 2nd vaccine doses, to get more people having 1 dose much more quickly. It's another of the Me Second tactics that Johnson did, in his painful delays for getting to do the things that others show clearly. If Blair had just been elected a few months before the outbreak, it would definitely have been handled much, much better. His choice of cabinet ministers was also to give competence. He's older and presumably wiser now, albeit with a cloud over him. Definitely more intelligent and competent than this mess of an individual and cronies, who appear unwilling to learn from their experience in government, at huge costs, including tens of thousands of deaths. The latest failure, was the persistent leaking of the lockdown that was to come in November, which caused huge spikes in infections, before it came, as people socialised whilst they could, having been given the luxury of over a weeks notice of it coming. As with Cummings, he's taken no action. These 2 episodes have caused crashes in public trust and increasing infections and losses of lives. Unforgivable. " I totally agree with you here. I just wish the govt would take note on his ideas for vaccine rollout. It's how we can get out this mess quicker with less deaths | |||
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"anything better than Johnson Names? At this moment, the monster raving looney party "Ah yes. That's exactly what I expected | |||
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" It's pretty telling that nobody is attacking his ideas just his record. He fucked up on one thing by being seduced by bush. The current crowd are fucking up on a daily basis. I liked the point that was made on testing on entry to our country...I mentioned on another thread that we need stiffer border control...all other counties are doing it. We have not tested one person on entry into our country since the beginning of this. Did you see the number of penalty notices given to people who are not following arrival quarantine rules? It's less than 50 out of 30 odd million!
Yep it's a disgrace.
We have this virus mutating every couple of months around the world (south African the latest) unless we get a grip on it by tests before they leave...tests on entry and a quarantine time like all other counties are doing, we will never get a grip on this.
I understand the point about maybes not testing on arrival as it can take a few days to manifest and thus test negative.
But clearly those numbers show our border quarantine system is shit
Meh... Whose fault is it that quarantine is broken.? The person breaking it? Or the police for not catching them?
The point I often make is..
This is all on us... Our behaviour, our choice to break the clear guidelines or in some cases laws.
Even if we had enough police to enforce quarantine not a cat in bells chance that the fora won't be full of how we've become a police state. We can't have it both ways.
Personally for now I wish we were a highly enforced police state for 6 months to get control of this situation. But many others feel differently... And as long as we keep doing that dance we will get the same outcomes. "Once you make the country a police state, you'll never regain freedom. | |||
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"have you ever done a little research onto blair since he left government, what he is involved in and who he is involved with ? did he lie about Iraq ? That's irrelevant. If his ideas now can help us, how is that a bad thing? "Thought he could be trusted back then.. Why would you believe him now? He's a proven liar. Leopards, spots etc. | |||
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"have you ever done a little research onto blair since he left government, what he is involved in and who he is involved with ? did he lie about Iraq ? That's irrelevant. If his ideas now can help us, how is that a bad thing?
Thought he could be trusted back then.. Why would you believe him now? He's a proven liar. Leopards, spots etc. "Because listening to him his ideas make perfect sense. He's not lying about something. He's giving advice on a situation. | |||
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"Oh dear. Once a liar? Mr. Tony Bliar All polititions are the same because it is impossible to run a country with total honesty. Tony Blair had his faults but he is a very clever man and on the virus he talks a lot of sense. I find this slagging of of leaders very sad whatever there political colour.You do not win three elections if useless" they won them because the press down south was constantly attacking Liebor | |||
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"Not a political post, nor is it about his previous time in office. But every time I hear from him he talks sense about Covid and what should be done. If he was PM or involved in the government advisory service would we be in a better position than we current are?
What so many here clearly overlook or don't understand is that it's not just one person doing things. There's a team and in that team there are those with knowledge and understanding better than the leader. Most decisions are based up external factors and how they are seen in the light of the current situation presented.
Easy for outside Googlists to criticise but the question remains who's better qualified? People have opinions which may be valid but doesn't mean they work. So many criticise another's approach but have no track record themselves.
You’re not wrong . But the PM is called the OM for a reason and the buck stops somewhere . If a company fails it’s the ultimate responsibility of the MD, not his board of directors "Only because we in the west are always looking to hang someone other than ourselves for something that we have inputs into instead of looking at something that didn't work as a failure good thinkers view them as positive learning. It's a failing society that keeps looking to blame. Primary reason is that they themselves don't have an answer and feel they should, resulting in blame. A healthier society will look together, learn and move forward together. There's very few here if any are honest who could do better but there are many who postulate themselves like they could but the reality would be quite different. Give me someone who has failed and keeps trying any day over those who talk but never tried. | |||
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"For all his faults Blair was evidently more competent and also chose to surround himself with more competent people too. I have no doubt that he would have acted more decisively and sooner than Johnson but pretty much anyone would have. I didn't agree with the war in Iraq but in this comparison it's pretty evident that Johnson would have done the same had be been PM then. Along with the vast majority of the other politicians at the time. Parliament voted for the war in Iraq." They did. But on the back of intelligence which Blair had cooked up to suit his agenda. | |||
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"For all his faults Blair was evidently more competent and also chose to surround himself with more competent people too. I have no doubt that he would have acted more decisively and sooner than Johnson but pretty much anyone would have. I didn't agree with the war in Iraq but in this comparison it's pretty evident that Johnson would have done the same had be been PM then. Along with the vast majority of the other politicians at the time. Parliament voted for the war in Iraq. They did. But on the back of intelligence which Blair had cooked up to suit his agenda. " Are you suggesting that Johnson wouldn't have gone along with Bush? You're living in the clouds if you are! | |||
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"Not a political post, nor is it about his previous time in office. But every time I hear from him he talks sense about Covid and what should be done. If he was PM or involved in the government advisory service would we be in a better position than we current are?
What so many here clearly overlook or don't understand is that it's not just one person doing things. There's a team and in that team there are those with knowledge and understanding better than the leader. Most decisions are based up external factors and how they are seen in the light of the current situation presented.
Easy for outside Googlists to criticise but the question remains who's better qualified? People have opinions which may be valid but doesn't mean they work. So many criticise another's approach but have no track record themselves.
You’re not wrong . But the PM is called the OM for a reason and the buck stops somewhere . If a company fails it’s the ultimate responsibility of the MD, not his board of directors "It's absolutely the responsibility of the board of directors. | |||
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"For all his faults Blair was evidently more competent and also chose to surround himself with more competent people too. I have no doubt that he would have acted more decisively and sooner than Johnson but pretty much anyone would have. I didn't agree with the war in Iraq but in this comparison it's pretty evident that Johnson would have done the same had be been PM then. Along with the vast majority of the other politicians at the time. Parliament voted for the war in Iraq. They did. But on the back of intelligence which Blair had cooked up to suit his agenda. Are you suggesting that Johnson wouldn't have gone along with Bush? You're living in the clouds if you are!" I have no idea what Boris would have done and nor do you. | |||
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"For all his faults Blair was evidently more competent and also chose to surround himself with more competent people too. I have no doubt that he would have acted more decisively and sooner than Johnson but pretty much anyone would have. I didn't agree with the war in Iraq but in this comparison it's pretty evident that Johnson would have done the same had be been PM then. Along with the vast majority of the other politicians at the time. Parliament voted for the war in Iraq. They did. But on the back of intelligence which Blair had cooked up to suit his agenda. Are you suggesting that Johnson wouldn't have gone along with Bush? You're living in the clouds if you are! I have no idea what Boris would have done and nor do you. " We do know, the MP for Henley voted in favour of the invasion of Iraq. | |||
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"For all his faults Blair was evidently more competent and also chose to surround himself with more competent people too. I have no doubt that he would have acted more decisively and sooner than Johnson but pretty much anyone would have. I didn't agree with the war in Iraq but in this comparison it's pretty evident that Johnson would have done the same had be been PM then. Along with the vast majority of the other politicians at the time. Parliament voted for the war in Iraq. They did. But on the back of intelligence which Blair had cooked up to suit his agenda. Are you suggesting that Johnson wouldn't have gone along with Bush? You're living in the clouds if you are! I have no idea what Boris would have done and nor do you. " He Voted for it at the time, so we do. | |||
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"For all his faults Blair was evidently more competent and also chose to surround himself with more competent people too. I have no doubt that he would have acted more decisively and sooner than Johnson but pretty much anyone would have. I didn't agree with the war in Iraq but in this comparison it's pretty evident that Johnson would have done the same had be been PM then. Along with the vast majority of the other politicians at the time. Parliament voted for the war in Iraq. They did. But on the back of intelligence which Blair had cooked up to suit his agenda. Are you suggesting that Johnson wouldn't have gone along with Bush? You're living in the clouds if you are! I have no idea what Boris would have done and nor do you. He Voted for it at the time, so we do." OK my apologies. But if you knew I'm not sure of the purpose of the comment. My point was that false, made up intelligence was presented to the house on more than one occasion (was it a free vote or a whipped vote?) and it was that false intelligence that drove mps voting. And it was Blair who pushed the intelligence. | |||
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"For all his faults Blair was evidently more competent and also chose to surround himself with more competent people too. I have no doubt that he would have acted more decisively and sooner than Johnson but pretty much anyone would have. I didn't agree with the war in Iraq but in this comparison it's pretty evident that Johnson would have done the same had be been PM then. Along with the vast majority of the other politicians at the time. Parliament voted for the war in Iraq. They did. But on the back of intelligence which Blair had cooked up to suit his agenda. Are you suggesting that Johnson wouldn't have gone along with Bush? You're living in the clouds if you are! I have no idea what Boris would have done and nor do you. He Voted for it at the time, so we do." MPs voted for war in Iraq based on the information provided by Blair’s government, Blair new he wasn’t providing the full information he lied to parliament | |||
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"For all his faults Blair was evidently more competent and also chose to surround himself with more competent people too. I have no doubt that he would have acted more decisively and sooner than Johnson but pretty much anyone would have. I didn't agree with the war in Iraq but in this comparison it's pretty evident that Johnson would have done the same had be been PM then. Along with the vast majority of the other politicians at the time. Parliament voted for the war in Iraq. They did. But on the back of intelligence which Blair had cooked up to suit his agenda. Are you suggesting that Johnson wouldn't have gone along with Bush? You're living in the clouds if you are! I have no idea what Boris would have done and nor do you. He Voted for it at the time, so we do. OK my apologies. But if you knew I'm not sure of the purpose of the comment. My point was that false, made up intelligence was presented to the house on more than one occasion (was it a free vote or a whipped vote?) and it was that false intelligence that drove mps voting. And it was Blair who pushed the intelligence. " I presume it was free as more Labour voted against it than Conservatives at the time. Do you honestly think Johnson wouldn't have stood with Bush? | |||
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"For all his faults Blair was evidently more competent and also chose to surround himself with more competent people too. I have no doubt that he would have acted more decisively and sooner than Johnson but pretty much anyone would have. I didn't agree with the war in Iraq but in this comparison it's pretty evident that Johnson would have done the same had be been PM then. Along with the vast majority of the other politicians at the time. Parliament voted for the war in Iraq. They did. But on the back of intelligence which Blair had cooked up to suit his agenda. Are you suggesting that Johnson wouldn't have gone along with Bush? You're living in the clouds if you are! I have no idea what Boris would have done and nor do you. He Voted for it at the time, so we do. MPs voted for war in Iraq based on the information provided by Blair’s government, Blair new he wasn’t providing the full information he lied to parliament " "Iraq War While Mr Johnson was one of the 585 MPs absent for the 24 September 2002 vote on Iraq and weapons of mass destruction, since November of the same year he has consistently voted in favour of UK intervention in Iraq. On 25 November 2002, he voted against requiring the support of the UN Security Council and a vote in the Commons before committing the UK to military action in Iraq. Three months later, on 26 February 2003, he voted to endorse the UN Security Council Resolution 1441. Said resolution provided Iraq with a final opportunity to comply with disarmament obligations." 3 different votes, and the one you are talking about Johnson was absent from. | |||
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"Not a political post, nor is it about his previous time in office. But every time I hear from him he talks sense about Covid and what should be done. If he was PM or involved in the government advisory service would we be in a better position than we current are? No, he just knows what to say to get enough influential people on side, he did it with the Iraq war and got the go ahead despite millions protesting against it. He is extremely experienced in politics and how to say the right things. Not too dissimilar from Obama actually. " | |||
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"Hindsight is wonderful isn’t it ? Anyway that criminal should be in jail along with is awful wife Yes absolutely. How did he swerve justice? The same way Trump probably will "Trump is not a fair comparison, Blair is directly responsible for the British side of the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan and the deaths that occurred because of it. War for the profit of the military industrial complex. Trump hasn't invaded anywhere. Which is probably the biggest reason the American establishment want him gone. It will be interesting to see if Biden follows suit or the US end up in some new war just like almost all the presidents before trump | |||
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"We have at the very least another 12 months of this , you dont need to be a scientist to work that one out . Johnson and co are only telling us what they think we want to hear so we fall into line and comply to their bullshit . I personally do not believe a word that comes out of their mouths now. The reason the NHS cant cope is down to government cuts and lack of funding, they have done this, the blame lays at their feet. " And mismanagement and an unfit population and a global pandemic in a country that will not follow guidelines to stop spreading the disease. It's not as simple as saying cuts are the issue. (which is incorrect by the way as spending has increased). If people stopped spreading it, we wouldn't have such a problem. That's on us. And nobody else. | |||
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"For all his faults Blair was evidently more competent and also chose to surround himself with more competent people too. I have no doubt that he would have acted more decisively and sooner than Johnson but pretty much anyone would have. I didn't agree with the war in Iraq but in this comparison it's pretty evident that Johnson would have done the same had be been PM then. Along with the vast majority of the other politicians at the time. Parliament voted for the war in Iraq. They did. But on the back of intelligence which Blair had cooked up to suit his agenda. Are you suggesting that Johnson wouldn't have gone along with Bush? You're living in the clouds if you are! I have no idea what Boris would have done and nor do you. He Voted for it at the time, so we do. OK my apologies. But if you knew I'm not sure of the purpose of the comment. My point was that false, made up intelligence was presented to the house on more than one occasion (was it a free vote or a whipped vote?) and it was that false intelligence that drove mps voting. And it was Blair who pushed the intelligence. I presume it was free as more Labour voted against it than Conservatives at the time. Do you honestly think Johnson wouldn't have stood with Bush? " I've already answered you. I have no idea. If the correct intelligence was provided then I'd like to think he along with many other mps would have said the case for war was not made. Additionally the attorney generals bullshit legal case which Blair forced him to present to falsely inform the house that it was a legal war. | |||
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"Not a political post, nor is it about his previous time in office. But every time I hear from him he talks sense about Covid and what should be done. If he was PM or involved in the government advisory service would we be in a better position than we current are? "NO NO NO As an ex serviceman at the time that BLIAR was in power, the very mention of that cunts name make me want to find him and terminate permanently his ability to waste oxygen. | |||
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"We have at the very least another 12 months of this , you dont need to be a scientist to work that one out . Johnson and co are only telling us what they think we want to hear so we fall into line and comply to their bullshit . I personally do not believe a word that comes out of their mouths now. The reason the NHS cant cope is down to government cuts and lack of funding, they have done this, the blame lays at their feet. And mismanagement and an unfit population and a global pandemic in a country that will not follow guidelines to stop spreading the disease. It's not as simple as saying cuts are the issue. (which is incorrect by the way as spending has increased). If people stopped spreading it, we wouldn't have such a problem. That's on us. And nobody else. " Spending hasn't increased if you take into account population increase and inflation. Blair spent a hell of a lot more on the NHS in percentage terms compared to the last 3 PMs. https://www.health.org.uk/chart/chart-how-funding-for-the-nhs-in-the-uk-has-changed-over-a-rolling-ten-year-period | |||
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"A stopped clock is still right twice a day... just because he's making sense now (and he's far from the only one...) doesn't absolve him from his sins." Agree he wasn't perfect, but he's a lot better than Johnson any day of the week. | |||
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"For all his faults Blair was evidently more competent and also chose to surround himself with more competent people too. I have no doubt that he would have acted more decisively and sooner than Johnson but pretty much anyone would have. I didn't agree with the war in Iraq but in this comparison it's pretty evident that Johnson would have done the same had be been PM then. Along with the vast majority of the other politicians at the time. Parliament voted for the war in Iraq. They did. But on the back of intelligence which Blair had cooked up to suit his agenda. Are you suggesting that Johnson wouldn't have gone along with Bush? You're living in the clouds if you are! I have no idea what Boris would have done and nor do you. He Voted for it at the time, so we do. OK my apologies. But if you knew I'm not sure of the purpose of the comment. My point was that false, made up intelligence was presented to the house on more than one occasion (was it a free vote or a whipped vote?) and it was that false intelligence that drove mps voting. And it was Blair who pushed the intelligence. I presume it was free as more Labour voted against it than Conservatives at the time. Do you honestly think Johnson wouldn't have stood with Bush? I've already answered you. I have no idea. If the correct intelligence was provided then I'd like to think he along with many other mps would have said the case for war was not made. Additionally the attorney generals bullshit legal case which Blair forced him to present to falsely inform the house that it was a legal war. " You're absolutely kidding yourself if you think a Tory government of the time would not have supported Bush. 146 Tory MPs voted for the invasion, 2 against. | |||
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"Hindsight is wonderful isn’t it ? Anyway that criminal should be in jail along with is awful wife Yes absolutely. How did he swerve justice? " You can only be taken to a war crimes court if there's a case to answer to. There can only be a case to answer to if there's a specific crime and predetermined punishment on the law books. That's why Tony Blair has never been brought before an International War Crimes tribunal because there is no case to answer to. Not liking this fact doesn't change the fact that there has to be a specific law with a corresponding punishment in place for a war crime to be committed at that point in time. You could say Mr Blair was very fortunate  | |||
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"A stopped clock is still right twice a day... just because he's making sense now (and he's far from the only one...) doesn't absolve him from his sins. Agree he wasn't perfect, but he's a lot better than Johnson any day of the week." It's a tough comparison. He's a better politician in that he's not a populist, outrageous liar who flirts with racism and misogyny on the regular.. but he did help propel us into a needless war, the legacy of which is still causing enormous amounts of pain globally. Really a rotten choice! | |||
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"For all his faults Blair was evidently more competent and also chose to surround himself with more competent people too. I have no doubt that he would have acted more decisively and sooner than Johnson but pretty much anyone would have. I didn't agree with the war in Iraq but in this comparison it's pretty evident that Johnson would have done the same had be been PM then. Along with the vast majority of the other politicians at the time. Parliament voted for the war in Iraq. They did. But on the back of intelligence which Blair had cooked up to suit his agenda. Are you suggesting that Johnson wouldn't have gone along with Bush? You're living in the clouds if you are! I have no idea what Boris would have done and nor do you. He Voted for it at the time, so we do. OK my apologies. But if you knew I'm not sure of the purpose of the comment. My point was that false, made up intelligence was presented to the house on more than one occasion (was it a free vote or a whipped vote?) and it was that false intelligence that drove mps voting. And it was Blair who pushed the intelligence. I presume it was free as more Labour voted against it than Conservatives at the time. Do you honestly think Johnson wouldn't have stood with Bush? I've already answered you. I have no idea. If the correct intelligence was provided then I'd like to think he along with many other mps would have said the case for war was not made. Additionally the attorney generals bullshit legal case which Blair forced him to present to falsely inform the house that it was a legal war. You're absolutely kidding yourself if you think a Tory government of the time would not have supported Bush. 146 Tory MPs voted for the invasion, 2 against. " And 254 labour mps voted for it. Not really sure what your point is in reliving something that happened 18 years ago and which was predicated on lies to parliament. | |||
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"Not a political post, nor is it about his previous time in office. But every time I hear from him he talks sense about Covid and what should be done. If he was PM or involved in the government advisory service would we be in a better position than we current are? "He’s still looking for those WMD’s  | |||
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"No doubt he and his wife would be looking to line their own pockets. I'm sure all those forces people that lost their lives over an illegal war would live to hear this. He's a leech" They would be in good company. | |||
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"considering what the tory party did in the middle east the moment they regained power in 2010, there is an overwhelming probability that they would've had absolutely no problem whatsoever in following George Dubya into the war on Iraq. " They probably would have, but Blair actually did... | |||
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"Find it strange how in iraq it was morally reprehensible to blow the shit out of a country,but it was perfectly acceptable to do so in Afghanistan." I think both were stupid, but at least Afghanistan had a demonstrable link to the rise in global terrorism and the 9/11 attack. The war there was ill-advised, but had more solid justification. | |||
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"considering what the tory party did in the middle east the moment they regained power in 2010, there is an overwhelming probability that they would've had absolutely no problem whatsoever in following George Dubya into the war on Iraq. They probably would have, but Blair actually did..." ... in reality the torys went along with it anyway | |||
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"Find it strange how in iraq it was morally reprehensible to blow the shit out of a country,but it was perfectly acceptable to do so in Afghanistan. I think both were stupid, but at least Afghanistan had a demonstrable link to the rise in global terrorism and the 9/11 attack. The war there was ill-advised, but had more solid justification." But the terrorists were all from Saudi?why not invade there?(I think we all know to that one) How many times on history has a country been invaded to catch 1 man? | |||
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"Not going to dwell on what he's done in the past, yes I voted for him in 97 etc But on this occasion he's right, no reason why you can't ask the forces to step, give appointments at chemists, schools, village halls, pubs and sporting stadium. At this moment in time over a million have had the vaccine, no doubt over a million are immune through having covid already. This government time scales are completely wrong! " They aren't immune till after the 2nd jab and then only after a week and then not immune but may not get the worst of the symptoms. You CAN still get Covid and pass it on. Time scales are completely wrong as I said when the first jab was given. Certainly at the moment, logistically impossible. However, 1.4 million approx since started is more than I expected | |||
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"considering what the tory party did in the middle east the moment they regained power in 2010, there is an overwhelming probability that they would've had absolutely no problem whatsoever in following George Dubya into the war on Iraq. They probably would have, but Blair actually did... ... in reality the torys went along with it anyway " Torys went along with, Cameron helped in deposing Gadaffi which has had questionable consequences. But the original post was not about wars and were they justified. Yes Blair would be more competent and able than Johnson. Next question. | |||
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"Not going to dwell on what he's done in the past, yes I voted for him in 97 etc But on this occasion he's right, no reason why you can't ask the forces to step, give appointments at chemists, schools, village halls, pubs and sporting stadium. At this moment in time over a million have had the vaccine, no doubt over a million are immune through having covid already. This government time scales are completely wrong! They aren't immune till after the 2nd jab and then only after a week and then not immune but may not get the worst of the symptoms. You CAN still get Covid and pass it on. Time scales are completely wrong as I said when the first jab was given. Certainly at the moment, logistically impossible. However, 1.4 million approx since started is more than I expected " As far as I'm aware vaccine doesn't give immunity only stops the symptoms, might be wrong | |||
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"Find it strange how in iraq it was morally reprehensible to blow the shit out of a country,but it was perfectly acceptable to do so in Afghanistan. I think both were stupid, but at least Afghanistan had a demonstrable link to the rise in global terrorism and the 9/11 attack. The war there was ill-advised, but had more solid justification. But the terrorists were all from Saudi?why not invade there?(I think we all know to that one) How many times on history has a country been invaded to catch 1 man?" Absolutely, the Saudis have propagated all sorts of horrible stuff. They get away with it because they buy our guns. It's disgusting. Fact remains the bombers trained in Afghanistan, and the Afghan government at the time were supporting Al Qaeda. That's a demonstrable link to international terrorism. Iraq had no such link, and no WMDs hence the reason it gets more heat. As I said though, I didn't agree with either war just as I wouldn't have agreed with a war on Saudi Arabia if that had been proposed. | |||
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"Find it strange how in iraq it was morally reprehensible to blow the shit out of a country,but it was perfectly acceptable to do so in Afghanistan. I think both were stupid, but at least Afghanistan had a demonstrable link to the rise in global terrorism and the 9/11 attack. The war there was ill-advised, but had more solid justification. But the terrorists were all from Saudi?why not invade there?(I think we all know to that one) How many times on history has a country been invaded to catch 1 man? Absolutely, the Saudis have propagated all sorts of horrible stuff. They get away with it because they buy our guns. It's disgusting. Fact remains the bombers trained in Afghanistan, and the Afghan government at the time were supporting Al Qaeda. That's a demonstrable link to international terrorism. Iraq had no such link, and no WMDs hence the reason it gets more heat. As I said though, I didn't agree with either war just as I wouldn't have agreed with a war on Saudi Arabia if that had been proposed. " And of course thats without getting into who funded Islamic terrorism in the 1st place debate. I'm certainly not saying Iraq was justified. Like you said they were both wrong. | |||
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"Find it strange how in iraq it was morally reprehensible to blow the shit out of a country,but it was perfectly acceptable to do so in Afghanistan. I think both were stupid, but at least Afghanistan had a demonstrable link to the rise in global terrorism and the 9/11 attack. The war there was ill-advised, but had more solid justification." I think we've danced far to much to Americas tune over the years due to our reliance on them and on them through NATO which is basically an American operation. That's why I thought a more local defence cooperation through a possible future EU defence force could of given us the same if not better protective collective clout while distancing ourselves from future American expansionist actions that we've been subjected to join in with to over the years. | |||
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"Find it strange how in iraq it was morally reprehensible to blow the shit out of a country,but it was perfectly acceptable to do so in Afghanistan. I think both were stupid, but at least Afghanistan had a demonstrable link to the rise in global terrorism and the 9/11 attack. The war there was ill-advised, but had more solid justification. I think we've danced far to much to Americas tune over the years due to our reliance on them and on them through NATO which is basically an American operation. That's why I thought a more local defence cooperation through a possible future EU defence force could of given us the same if not better protective collective clout while distancing ourselves from future American expansionist actions that we've been subjected to join in with to over the years. " There seems to be a hearty dislike for that sort of relationship in this country,for some reason. | |||
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"Not going to dwell on what he's done in the past, yes I voted for him in 97 etc But on this occasion he's right, no reason why you can't ask the forces to step, give appointments at chemists, schools, village halls, pubs and sporting stadium. At this moment in time over a million have had the vaccine, no doubt over a million are immune through having covid already. This government time scales are completely wrong! " Jackpot. It's how we get out of lockdown. 2m tests a week isn't enough. Tony has shown a way to utilise the military, but I'm sure Boris will go his own way and fuck it up | |||
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"considering what the tory party did in the middle east the moment they regained power in 2010, there is an overwhelming probability that they would've had absolutely no problem whatsoever in following George Dubya into the war on Iraq. They probably would have, but Blair actually did... ... in reality the torys went along with it anyway Torys went along with, Cameron helped in deposing Gadaffi which has had questionable consequences. But the original post was not about wars and were they justified. Yes Blair would be more competent and able than Johnson. Next question." He was certainly more right wing than either Cameron or Johnson... But yes I think we do our country a disservice by throwing away all the experience of ex prime ministers.... Major, Blair, even Cameron could all I'm sure help do a better job than the novice currently struggling. | |||
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"Hindsight is wonderful isn’t it ? Anyway that criminal should be in jail along with is awful wife" What crimes do you think he committed? | |||
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"Not going to dwell on what he's done in the past, yes I voted for him in 97 etc But on this occasion he's right, no reason why you can't ask the forces to step, give appointments at chemists, schools, village halls, pubs and sporting stadium. At this moment in time over a million have had the vaccine, no doubt over a million are immune through having covid already. This government time scales are completely wrong! Jackpot. It's how we get out of lockdown. 2m tests a week isn't enough. Tony has shown a way to utilise the military, but I'm sure Boris will go his own way and fuck it up "Traffic wardens are being repurposed now.... Pull up, get a jab in 5 mins or less... Or a parking ticket. | |||
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"considering what the tory party did in the middle east the moment they regained power in 2010, there is an overwhelming probability that they would've had absolutely no problem whatsoever in following George Dubya into the war on Iraq. They probably would have, but Blair actually did... ... in reality the torys went along with it anyway Torys went along with, Cameron helped in deposing Gadaffi which has had questionable consequences. But the original post was not about wars and were they justified. Yes Blair would be more competent and able than Johnson. Next question. He was certainly more right wing than either Cameron or Johnson... But yes I think we do our country a disservice by throwing away all the experience of ex prime ministers.... Major, Blair, even Cameron could all I'm sure help do a better job than the novice currently struggling. " Novice? He was an MP for 13 years, served both as shadow minister under Howard and Foreign Secretary under May. Then 2 terms as mayor of london. He's not a novice, just proven unfit for the office and the dealing with the pandemic. | |||
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"One issue with the quantity of testing required, is getting enough of the vaccine to do them. Even though we have bought hundreds of millions of doses, they are still being delivered in smaller batches. There is also "apparently" a supply issue with the glass vials that the vaccine is shipped in, the manufacturers are struggling to keep up with the demand. Cal" You coudlnt make it up could you? Next one will be we don't have enough needles. Cos who would have predicted we would need 200 million vials and needles and cases to carry them in... Fuck me they've only had 9 months to organise the supply chain. | |||
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"considering what the tory party did in the middle east the moment they regained power in 2010, there is an overwhelming probability that they would've had absolutely no problem whatsoever in following George Dubya into the war on Iraq. They probably would have, but Blair actually did... ... in reality the torys went along with it anyway Torys went along with, Cameron helped in deposing Gadaffi which has had questionable consequences. But the original post was not about wars and were they justified. Yes Blair would be more competent and able than Johnson. Next question. He was certainly more right wing than either Cameron or Johnson... But yes I think we do our country a disservice by throwing away all the experience of ex prime ministers.... Major, Blair, even Cameron could all I'm sure help do a better job than the novice currently struggling. Novice? He was an MP for 13 years, served both as shadow minister under Howard and Foreign Secretary under May. Then 2 terms as mayor of london. He's not a novice, just proven unfit for the office and the dealing with the pandemic." That's a fair point. | |||
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"considering what the tory party did in the middle east the moment they regained power in 2010, there is an overwhelming probability that they would've had absolutely no problem whatsoever in following George Dubya into the war on Iraq. They probably would have, but Blair actually did... ... in reality the torys went along with it anyway Torys went along with, Cameron helped in deposing Gadaffi which has had questionable consequences. But the original post was not about wars and were they justified. Yes Blair would be more competent and able than Johnson. Next question. He was certainly more right wing than either Cameron or Johnson... But yes I think we do our country a disservice by throwing away all the experience of ex prime ministers.... Major, Blair, even Cameron could all I'm sure help do a better job than the novice currently struggling. " Sorry.. Tony blair was more right wing than cameron or johnson? | |||
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"Not going to dwell on what he's done in the past, yes I voted for him in 97 etc But on this occasion he's right, no reason why you can't ask the forces to step, give appointments at chemists, schools, village halls, pubs and sporting stadium. At this moment in time over a million have had the vaccine, no doubt over a million are immune through having covid already. This government time scales are completely wrong! They aren't immune till after the 2nd jab and then only after a week and then not immune but may not get the worst of the symptoms. You CAN still get Covid and pass it on. Time scales are completely wrong as I said when the first jab was given. Certainly at the moment, logistically impossible. However, 1.4 million approx since started is more than I expected As far as I'm aware vaccine doesn't give immunity only stops the symptoms, might be wrong" This I believe is correct from what I've read too. The first Pfizer jab can give up to 70% protection against severe symptoms. This depends on each individual in how their body responds. The second jab increases that by a further 10% to 80%. The Oxford vaccine was around 62% effective, but in those who first received a half dose and then a full dose, the vaccine was 90% effective, according to the statement. However, the actual data is yet to be released and peer-reviewed. The suggested reason for a better Immunity with the lower first dose then full dose is the body is better primed and therefore setting it up to respond better. | |||
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"Not a political post, nor is it about his previous time in office. But every time I hear from him he talks sense about Covid and what should be done. If he was PM or involved in the government advisory service would we be in a better position than we current are? "NOOOOOOO! I've not read any other responses Cindi, but I despise this smug bastard with a passion. X | |||
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