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By *errys OP   Man
over a year ago

milton keynes and kent

Is this true.

Are some hospitals telling patients that they will not be resuscitated if they go into cardiac arrest.

I heard this about a hospital in kent a friend of a friends father in law was apparently told this so could be false info but does anyone know if this is a thing.

I am asking.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ive heard the same , this is aweful

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By *errys OP   Man
over a year ago

milton keynes and kent


"Is this true.

Are some hospitals telling patients that they will not be resuscitated if they go into cardiac arrest.

I heard this about a hospital in kent a friend of a friends father in law was apparently told this so could be false info but does anyone know if this is a thing.

I am asking."

I should have said covid patients

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By *hickennchipsWoman
over a year ago

up above the streets and houses

There was earlier on in the pandemic, not sure about recently, but it’s being investigated as doctors said no DNR without even an examination and not on an individual basis. This was for older covid patients I believe

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

If thing continues as they are at some point there will simply not be any capacity to provide resuscitation, DNR notices or not!

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol

Probably taken out of context as usual, there comes a time when resuscitation is just not practical or fair on the patient because they would not have any real chance of survival and sometime the actual procedure would cause more damage than good to the patient.

Reality is sometimes cruel but has to be faced.

Sorry if that offends

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Probably taken out of context as usual, there comes a time when resuscitation is just not practical or fair on the patient because they would not have any real chance of survival and sometime the actual procedure would cause more damage than good to the patient.

Reality is sometimes cruel but has to be faced.

Sorry if that offends "

My sister aged 59 was told no resus and no ventilation needing intervention as she waited to be blue lighted for covid in March..

She has COPD so the latter we know and understand given the issue's with trying to wean off a person who has respiratory issues..

Have now told her to have a formal letter with her with her express wish to receive resus if hospitalised again..

The father in law who is 83 was told the same by the consultant who phoned him to tell him he was positive hours after being discharged, he has long standing respiratory issues but the news really knocked him mentally at the time we were trying to keep his spirits up in fighting the virus..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Probably taken out of context as usual, there comes a time when resuscitation is just not practical or fair on the patient because they would not have any real chance of survival and sometime the actual procedure would cause more damage than good to the patient.

Reality is sometimes cruel but has to be faced.

Sorry if that offends "

No offence, its a very good comment

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Probably taken out of context as usual, there comes a time when resuscitation is just not practical or fair on the patient because they would not have any real chance of survival and sometime the actual procedure would cause more damage than good to the patient.

Reality is sometimes cruel but has to be faced.

Sorry if that offends

No offence, its a very good comment"

In the context of a clinic decision taken where the patient is in the hospital and the various procedures and possible treatments have been considered then yes there is that time when no further medical intervention apart from pain relief is the best option, been there with parents etc..

But for a person to be told you will not be resuscitated even before we have actually seen you is nowhere near normal nor I would say ethical practice..

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By *ookMan
over a year ago

london

A close friend ( icu front line doctor) simply told me that he now has to make choices that he never signed up for on a daily basis. Take that how you will but I know what he is actually saying.

He’s not a bullshitter and doesn’t really talk about the job but it’s pretty grim.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

I'd like to know where people have "heard" things from. Facebook, no doubt, that well known source of totally accurate information.

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke.

I think the NHS issued a statement quite a while ago saying that DNR's would not be issued outside of three Doctor oversight and patient (where possible) and relatives agreement.

Wales health apologized quite a while ago too I think.

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By *oved Up 2Couple
over a year ago

nottingham


"Probably taken out of context as usual, there comes a time when resuscitation is just not practical or fair on the patient because they would not have any real chance of survival and sometime the actual procedure would cause more damage than good to the patient.

Reality is sometimes cruel but has to be faced.

Sorry if that offends "

Sadly this is true. Ventilation isn't suitable for everyone. It's so aggressive that it could do more harm than good for some.

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke.

Can't post the article: Re board rules but . . .

NHS England has asked GPs and other healthcare professionals to avoid any ‘blanket’ policies on clinical decisions during the coronavirus (Covid-19) epidemic, especially with regards to do-not-resuscitate forms.

GPs should ‘encourage’ the ‘most vulnerable’ patients to ‘discuss their individual wishes and concerns regarding their treatment preferences should they develop Covid-19 symptoms and record those preferences in an advance care plan’, it said.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I'd leave it to individuals and families to discuss this in situ. This prevents hearsay. Old details etc, being different to the reality on the ground.

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By *ensual massagerMan
over a year ago

Bolton

Only yesterday I was told by a front line person (trying to be vague) and the premises were issued with DNR's for all residents issued by the Government back in March. Didn't require patients signatures or doctors. They had to inform the patients next of kin..

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke.


"Only yesterday I was told by a front line person (trying to be vague) and the premises were issued with DNR's for all residents issued by the Government back in March. Didn't require patients signatures or doctors. They had to inform the patients next of kin.. "

The Government DO NOT issue DNR notices.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Only yesterday I was told by a front line person (trying to be vague) and the premises were issued with DNR's for all residents issued by the Government back in March. Didn't require patients signatures or doctors. They had to inform the patients next of kin.. "

You were informed incorrectly!

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By *eard-lincolnMan
over a year ago

near lincoln

Patients can’t decide before hand if they want to be resuscitated. It’s a clinical decision that is made when required. They can however request not to receive it.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"Patients can’t decide before hand if they want to be resuscitated. It’s a clinical decision that is made when required. They can however request not to receive it. "

This. My Grandad has signed an advance DNR. He's 89 with heart failure, he doesn't want someone jumping on his chest. We support his choice, as does his GP and cardiac nurse.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

My mother has been asked to sign what they are now calling a "respect form" (or something along those lines). It's the old DNR but you can also state that you don't want to be hospitalised. She already has a DNR in place anyway.

I have to say that the medical profession is quite aggressive in its attempts to get elderly people to sign one of these things. A paramedic paid a specific visit to their home to ask about it and when mum said she already had one he tried to persuade my father to sign one. He's 94 but fitter than many people much younger than him.

I don't know if they're telling patients they won't resuscitate them regardless. Mum's in hospital at the moment and they haven't said that.

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By *ensual massagerMan
over a year ago

Bolton


"Only yesterday I was told by a front line person (trying to be vague) and the premises were issued with DNR's for all residents issued by the Government back in March. Didn't require patients signatures or doctors. They had to inform the patients next of kin..

The Government DO NOT issue DNR notices."

They did in March to local authorities to distribute to the homes

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By *ensual massagerMan
over a year ago

Bolton


"Only yesterday I was told by a front line person (trying to be vague) and the premises were issued with DNR's for all residents issued by the Government back in March. Didn't require patients signatures or doctors. They had to inform the patients next of kin..

You were informed incorrectly! "

Oh I didn't see the 47 forms with the residents name on them then? Ok

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By *achel SmythTV/TS
over a year ago

Farnborough

Not exactly COVID related ....

My mum passed away a couple of years ago after a few years in a Residential Home with Dementia ... get passing was not unexpected in the end.

A couple of years previously she had a Cardiac arrest with no DNR in place, we had Power of Attorney at that time. We discussed with the clinical staff about wanted to keep her alive which they did a couple of times ... she then ‘recovered’ only to them deteriorate slowly with a decreasing poor quality of life. Soooo many times after her heart attack we (the family) discussed how we wish we had let her go in the first instance and spared us all what was a sad end.

This altered my view significantly on this subject, having lived it .... we wouldn’t put our pets through it - but we would put loved ones!!

Quality of life v quantity of life following anything like this (including COVID) should be considered.

R xx

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

I'm under no illusions, someone, somewhere has decided that it's better economically if older patients who go into cardiac arrest are not resuscitated.

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke.


"Only yesterday I was told by a front line person (trying to be vague) and the premises were issued with DNR's for all residents issued by the Government back in March. Didn't require patients signatures or doctors. They had to inform the patients next of kin..

The Government DO NOT issue DNR notices.

They did in March to local authorities to distribute to the homes "

Can you show me where they did that?

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

I find this thread very tasteless.

Trying to start a tabloid ESC thread on something as personal as this very poor form.

I know that people are going to say we have a right to talk about this but unless it's actual factual 100% correct information gossip about such a sensitive subject is really poor.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Probably taken out of context as usual, there comes a time when resuscitation is just not practical or fair on the patient because they would not have any real chance of survival and sometime the actual procedure would cause more damage than good to the patient.

Reality is sometimes cruel but has to be faced.

Sorry if that offends

No offence, its a very good comment"

One of the best comments I’ve seen on the threads.

I have recently been a guest of the nhs for a week, I have also previously worked for the nhs and thought I was un shockable however this isn’t the case at all.

I did not have covid but I did ha s a life threatening infection for which I was barrier nursed. After 4 days I was moved to a ward and I was warned prior they had covid patients on the ward but I would still be isolated.

I had my own room and staff barrier nursed me prior to nursing covid patients, I was tested every other day for covid and thank fully I was ok.

The lady in the next room was covid positive the drs had to make that choice for her (the medical desk was outside my room I wasn’t deliberately rubber necking).

They called relatives and said they felt it wouldn’t be proactive in her care for her to go on life support, I also heard the call my last night informing the same family she had passed away.

It’s heartbreaking and Drs are having to make calls on who to save it’s a sad reality.

That’s why I get so angry with people on here ignoring advise and still meeting it takes one virus sporn to kill another people need to remember that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Probably taken out of context as usual, there comes a time when resuscitation is just not practical or fair on the patient because they would not have any real chance of survival and sometime the actual procedure would cause more damage than good to the patient.

Reality is sometimes cruel but has to be faced.

Sorry if that offends

My sister aged 59 was told no resus and no ventilation needing intervention as she waited to be blue lighted for covid in March..

She has COPD so the latter we know and understand given the issue's with trying to wean off a person who has respiratory issues..

Have now told her to have a formal letter with her with her express wish to receive resus if hospitalised again..

The father in law who is 83 was told the same by the consultant who phoned him to tell him he was positive hours after being discharged, he has long standing respiratory issues but the news really knocked him mentally at the time we were trying to keep his spirits up in fighting the virus..

"
did your sister survive?.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Probably taken out of context as usual, there comes a time when resuscitation is just not practical or fair on the patient because they would not have any real chance of survival and sometime the actual procedure would cause more damage than good to the patient.

Reality is sometimes cruel but has to be faced.

Sorry if that offends

My sister aged 59 was told no resus and no ventilation needing intervention as she waited to be blue lighted for covid in March..

She has COPD so the latter we know and understand given the issue's with trying to wean off a person who has respiratory issues..

Have now told her to have a formal letter with her with her express wish to receive resus if hospitalised again..

The father in law who is 83 was told the same by the consultant who phoned him to tell him he was positive hours after being discharged, he has long standing respiratory issues but the news really knocked him mentally at the time we were trying to keep his spirits up in fighting the virus..

did your sister survive?."

Yes, she was fortunate to have been on steroids for three weeks prior to contracting it which the consultant told her without which it would have been a different outcome..

Still has long covid and further complications with that but she's getting on with things..

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By *errys OP   Man
over a year ago

milton keynes and kent

Well nothing actually confirming it thankfully.

The scenario i was relayed did not involve a dnr form he was just told its way it is.

Pretty sure it is a case of word of mouth changing reality.

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