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By *ntrepid Explorers OP   Couple
over a year ago

Birmingham

I've not seen anything covering what sort of vaccine roll-out percentage would be required before looking at changing restrictions.

I have seen various things about timescales. Easter etc. But obviously that would need to be supported by various actual criteria, which to me seems more interesting.

Could it be something like 90% of over 60's vaccinated? Falling below a level of hospital admissions? Deaths?

It feels like at *some* point we have to revert back to the logic of winter flu and say "that'll have to do", before we literally think a full herd immunity is reached, right?

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

Personally as the vaccine doesn’t stop you catching the virus, it should reduce the effects on your body if you should, but how effective that is you won’t know until you catch it.

The measures are around for some time yet

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights

Bbc news had a Interview with Ugur Sahin in September and he recommended vaccinating until Easter, take a break and then mass vaccinating as many as possible in September ready for the autumn/winter season

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By *litterbabeWoman
over a year ago

hiding from cock pics.

I'm currently under the impression that it will reduce your symptoms and need for admission to hospital, and therefore the burden on the NHS.

At the moment I don't think there is any lessening of restrictions as you can still catch and transmit the virus.

I guess almost if we thought of people who have been been double vaccinated as being assymptomatic, as they are even more likely to be than those who are unvaccinated.

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By *ntrepid Explorers OP   Couple
over a year ago

Birmingham


"I'm currently under the impression that it will reduce your symptoms and need for admission to hospital, and therefore the burden on the NHS.

At the moment I don't think there is any lessening of restrictions as you can still catch and transmit the virus.

I guess almost if we thought of people who have been been double vaccinated as being assymptomatic, as they are even more likely to be than those who are unvaccinated."

But with vaccination of "vulnerable" people, at some point you need to say that transmitting it is a risk that is worth taking. Obviously hospitals being too busy is an unavoidable barrier, but with capacity we need to ... one day ... allow it to spread if it still exists, at a point where it's judged the consequences are justifiable.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch


"I'm currently under the impression that it will reduce your symptoms and need for admission to hospital, and therefore the burden on the NHS.

At the moment I don't think there is any lessening of restrictions as you can still catch and transmit the virus.

I guess almost if we thought of people who have been been double vaccinated as being assymptomatic, as they are even more likely to be than those who are unvaccinated.

But with vaccination of "vulnerable" people, at some point you need to say that transmitting it is a risk that is worth taking. Obviously hospitals being too busy is an unavoidable barrier, but with capacity we need to ... one day ... allow it to spread if it still exists, at a point where it's judged the consequences are justifiable."

I don’t think you can justify the spread or reduce restrictions until everyone has been vaccinated. It is a virus that keeps mutating, this new strain they think has the ability to infect children which before they seemed not too. To many unanswered to just let it spread and oh hell to the consequences of who catches it, their bad luck their body couldn’t cope with it.

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By *litterbabeWoman
over a year ago

hiding from cock pics.

I wonder if you could make a vaccinated bubble, so for example if if there was for example a group of older people who have been vaccinated could they be able to mix amongst themselves. They may transmit to each other but possibly with very few consequences, if they are not mixing with others who are unvaccinated.

Potentially allowing a few people who don't have a lot of company to meet for a cup of tea etc

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By *ntrepid Explorers OP   Couple
over a year ago

Birmingham


"I wonder if you could make a vaccinated bubble, so for example if if there was for example a group of older people who have been vaccinated could they be able to mix amongst themselves. They may transmit to each other but possibly with very few consequences, if they are not mixing with others who are unvaccinated.

Potentially allowing a few people who don't have a lot of company to meet for a cup of tea etc

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I suppose logistics is the biggest issue here. Proof, tracking etc. Without a very very clear and agreed way of doing it (and even then?) enough people will object / copy without vaccination and things could really go to shit again.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I think OP has 2 questions -

1. What the criteria are for herd immunity?

2. Is there a specific, quantifued point where we relax things?

Herd immunity - the specific % with immunity to create herd immunity has been and continues to be evaluated. It does depend on how infectious it is, so can be subject to variation. The UK variant throws some uncertainty into the bag. The answer remains open still. 2 million vaccinated a week is the near target but without a date for it. Within 12 months would achieve the majority of the adult population, at 2 doses. 3 months could get 26 million adults with 1 dose, which seems closer to the broadened vaccine plans they're discussing. Obviously some of the 2 million pay week will need to be the 2nd shot, of those vaccinated earlier, getting 2nd within 12 weeks (almost 3 months).

2. Has the government released a plan for how/when they will relax restrictions?

No, they don't appear to have given a quantified, defined point when specific measures will be relaxed. They may or may not have a tightly defined plan, of course. I think they would help to build public comfort and confidence if they did. Otherwise people are just living with even more uncertainty, which raises stress and anxiety levels, thus isn't good for health.

They've been fairly consistent and good at being somewhat vague. About the clearest goal was for the Christmas relaxation, allowing X people and Y households to mix, over Z days. That plan was shelved at the last minute of course and many would say it was a foolish plan.

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up


"I'm currently under the impression that it will reduce your symptoms and need for admission to hospital, and therefore the burden on the NHS.

At the moment I don't think there is any lessening of restrictions as you can still catch and transmit the virus.

I guess almost if we thought of people who have been been double vaccinated as being assymptomatic, as they are even more likely to be than those who are unvaccinated.

But with vaccination of "vulnerable" people, at some point you need to say that transmitting it is a risk that is worth taking. Obviously hospitals being too busy is an unavoidable barrier, but with capacity we need to ... one day ... allow it to spread if it still exists, at a point where it's judged the consequences are justifiable.

I don’t think you can justify the spread or reduce restrictions until everyone has been vaccinated. It is a virus that keeps mutating, this new strain they think has the ability to infect children which before they seemed not too. To many unanswered to just let it spread and oh hell to the consequences of who catches it, their bad luck their body couldn’t cope with it. "
its always been able to infect children. Just till recently we weren't testing the asymptomatic and children tend to be asymptomatic x

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch


"I'm currently under the impression that it will reduce your symptoms and need for admission to hospital, and therefore the burden on the NHS.

At the moment I don't think there is any lessening of restrictions as you can still catch and transmit the virus.

I guess almost if we thought of people who have been been double vaccinated as being assymptomatic, as they are even more likely to be than those who are unvaccinated.

But with vaccination of "vulnerable" people, at some point you need to say that transmitting it is a risk that is worth taking. Obviously hospitals being too busy is an unavoidable barrier, but with capacity we need to ... one day ... allow it to spread if it still exists, at a point where it's judged the consequences are justifiable.

I don’t think you can justify the spread or reduce restrictions until everyone has been vaccinated. It is a virus that keeps mutating, this new strain they think has the ability to infect children which before they seemed not too. To many unanswered to just let it spread and oh hell to the consequences of who catches it, their bad luck their body couldn’t cope with it. its always been able to infect children. Just till recently we weren't testing the asymptomatic and children tend to be asymptomatic x"

Apologies I missed out the words ‘more likely’ to infect children and something they are investigating

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up


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Apologies I missed out the words ‘more likely’ to infect children and something they are investigating "
I dont think it does. The media has been reporting it as such but according to 3 reports I read this morning it doesnt seem to be the case... I found information easily enough just searching for children with covid

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch


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Apologies I missed out the words ‘more likely’ to infect children and something they are investigating I dont think it does. The media has been reporting it as such but according to 3 reports I read this morning it doesnt seem to be the case... I found information easily enough just searching for children with covid"

I’ve been waiting for the reports to follow, I will go have a read. Thank you

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