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"Yes school should close till Easter then the summer holidays they can work through to catch up home schooling now " You mean actually go into schools in what would normally be school holidays in July / August ? If so, don’t you think the teachers deserve a break, I do. Just because it is home schooling it doesn’t mean they aren’t working | |||
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"Do you think they should be closed until Easter though or just a short while ? Is that all schools or primary or secondary ? " All schools should close. Internally I know managing children in primary is harder than secondary. Till Easter? No. That’s way too long. The problem is if the government keep being uncertain we will have a repeat of last year. I’d rather the kids do a month online, get more people vaccinated and then bring them back. Gives the kids and parents time to get over anything illnesses they got over the last two weeks and come in when it’s safer | |||
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"Yes school should close till Easter then the summer holidays they can work through to catch up home schooling now You mean actually go into schools in what would normally be school holidays in July / August ? If so, don’t you think the teachers deserve a break, I do. Just because it is home schooling it doesn’t mean they aren’t working " Home learning was more work. We had to do the normal school stuff, call families, teach kids in school who needed to be there, mark work by email and give feedback. We also did courses and management work. In the same time | |||
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"Yes school should close till Easter then the summer holidays they can work through to catch up home schooling now You mean actually go into schools in what would normally be school holidays in July / August ? If so, don’t you think the teachers deserve a break, I do. Just because it is home schooling it doesn’t mean they aren’t working Home learning was more work. We had to do the normal school stuff, call families, teach kids in school who needed to be there, mark work by email and give feedback. We also did courses and management work. In the same time " I can imagine, we had a full school day set online, questions fired off or phone calls to teachers if didn’t understand the work, submit all by end of the day and then it’s returned marked the following day. We had calls twice a week, one to the parents and another to the child. You could hear the exhaustion in their voices. I was pleased to see this holiday no work was set so the teachers got a break | |||
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"Do you think they should be closed until Easter though or just a short while ? Is that all schools or primary or secondary ? All schools should close. Internally I know managing children in primary is harder than secondary. Till Easter? No. That’s way too long. The problem is if the government keep being uncertain we will have a repeat of last year. I’d rather the kids do a month online, get more people vaccinated and then bring them back. Gives the kids and parents time to get over anything illnesses they got over the last two weeks and come in when it’s safer " Agree, Easter to long. I think realistically it may be until end of January for primary. Secondary may return in staggered days from 18th with testing in place. | |||
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"I would say till the end of jan and see how the results are going then decide if longer is needed" Would agree, that would make it nearly six weeks since the pre Christmas break up.. | |||
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"I would say till the end of jan and see how the results are going then decide if longer is needed Would agree, that would make it nearly six weeks since the pre Christmas break up.. " Yet all schools closed till 1st of Feb apart from. Exam years if a school can't distance with only a 5th in it I would be surprised and give schools more say thay know the community and resources they have. It no longer one size fits all. | |||
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"i understand ur frustration OP but i personally think the routine and structure for kids at school is important. my eldest will be returning to school from the 4th jan and they are doing lateral covid swabs on entrance to school and if positive a full pcp test will be performed and children sent home. To say it’s different for Nhs staff may i ask how? we work hard in an environment where we sometimes don’t get a break on a 12.5 hour shift, have to wear masks and visors ect all shift. we face covid head on. i had covid myself in november and was admitted to resus really poorly. Through the 1st lockdown my 13 year old suffered terribly with her mental health and had to have 1-1 counselling. I tried to home school both my children as well as work up2 60 hours a week as a nurse on a covid ward. It’s hard for everyone atm. I may get bashed for saying schools should stay open but personally i think the children need it. " By different I meant that the nhs face challenges with COVID in a different way to school staff. I wasn’t saying it was to any sort of diminished degree at all. I agree that children should be in school. I’d much rather teach how we used to but it’s honestly not been working. Secondary schools are testing but the had what 2 weeks to get that sorted? And even then they need volunteers to actually run or administer it. I imagine that the numbers will sky rocket in the next few weeks when they test hundreds of positive asymptomatic cases all who would potentially pass on to other children or staff. I’m not trying to make this a battle of who works harder than who and my job is better than yours. I hate to oversensationalise it to this but with the rapidly rising cases and potential new strain would you not rather curb it than have all the children go back and risk it. For the sake of 1-4 weeks? | |||
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"i understand ur frustration OP but i personally think the routine and structure for kids at school is important. my eldest will be returning to school from the 4th jan and they are doing lateral covid swabs on entrance to school and if positive a full pcp test will be performed and children sent home. To say it’s different for Nhs staff may i ask how? we work hard in an environment where we sometimes don’t get a break on a 12.5 hour shift, have to wear masks and visors ect all shift. we face covid head on. i had covid myself in november and was admitted to resus really poorly. Through the 1st lockdown my 13 year old suffered terribly with her mental health and had to have 1-1 counselling. I tried to home school both my children as well as work up2 60 hours a week as a nurse on a covid ward. It’s hard for everyone atm. I may get bashed for saying schools should stay open but personally i think the children need it. " They need it. They need the structure of school. There’s at least 2 young women I know who have attempted suicide at least twice since last March. My son is depressed. He was a lovely young man full of joy before the first lockdown. I am awake now at 3:31am keeping an ear open for any strange sounds that could suggest he is harming himself. This has been every night for a few months now. I don’t want to lose my son to suicide any more than I want to lose him to covid or anything else. | |||
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"i understand ur frustration OP but i personally think the routine and structure for kids at school is important. my eldest will be returning to school from the 4th jan and they are doing lateral covid swabs on entrance to school and if positive a full pcp test will be performed and children sent home. To say it’s different for Nhs staff may i ask how? we work hard in an environment where we sometimes don’t get a break on a 12.5 hour shift, have to wear masks and visors ect all shift. we face covid head on. i had covid myself in november and was admitted to resus really poorly. Through the 1st lockdown my 13 year old suffered terribly with her mental health and had to have 1-1 counselling. I tried to home school both my children as well as work up2 60 hours a week as a nurse on a covid ward. It’s hard for everyone atm. I may get bashed for saying schools should stay open but personally i think the children need it. By different I meant that the nhs face challenges with COVID in a different way to school staff. I wasn’t saying it was to any sort of diminished degree at all. I agree that children should be in school. I’d much rather teach how we used to but it’s honestly not been working. Secondary schools are testing but the had what 2 weeks to get that sorted? And even then they need volunteers to actually run or administer it. I imagine that the numbers will sky rocket in the next few weeks when they test hundreds of positive asymptomatic cases all who would potentially pass on to other children or staff. I’m not trying to make this a battle of who works harder than who and my job is better than yours. I hate to oversensationalise it to this but with the rapidly rising cases and potential new strain would you not rather curb it than have all the children go back and risk it. For the sake of 1-4 weeks?" No matter what we do it will continue to mutate and spread. My daughters school is having a staggered start to year groups so they are not all in from day 1. I have already volunteered to do the swabs for the school (after ive done a night shift, b4 i go home to bed). We have had guidance telling us to expect at least another 6-12 months of “tougher measures”. It is something we all have to live with now but be sensible too | |||
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"i understand ur frustration OP but i personally think the routine and structure for kids at school is important. my eldest will be returning to school from the 4th jan and they are doing lateral covid swabs on entrance to school and if positive a full pcp test will be performed and children sent home. To say it’s different for Nhs staff may i ask how? we work hard in an environment where we sometimes don’t get a break on a 12.5 hour shift, have to wear masks and visors ect all shift. we face covid head on. i had covid myself in november and was admitted to resus really poorly. Through the 1st lockdown my 13 year old suffered terribly with her mental health and had to have 1-1 counselling. I tried to home school both my children as well as work up2 60 hours a week as a nurse on a covid ward. It’s hard for everyone atm. I may get bashed for saying schools should stay open but personally i think the children need it. They need it. They need the structure of school. There’s at least 2 young women I know who have attempted suicide at least twice since last March. My son is depressed. He was a lovely young man full of joy before the first lockdown. I am awake now at 3:31am keeping an ear open for any strange sounds that could suggest he is harming himself. This has been every night for a few months now. I don’t want to lose my son to suicide any more than I want to lose him to covid or anything else. " I agree. My daughter is the same. Big hugs to you | |||
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"I can't see how the government can justify opening schools saying it's perfectly safe but IMPOSE a lock down on the rest of the country saying there's a deadly killer out there it's not safe." Yet thousands of people are still going to work and mixing with people from all tiers. I certainly have not stopped working during any of the lockdowns so why are schools the hot topic? And if my local parks are anything to go by a lit of parents don't give a shit as they allow their kids to go meet up with their mates anyway. Was it not parents who created a fuss when the school closed first time round because it meant they had to parent full time?! | |||
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"All schools and colleges should be closed permanently until this virus has gone as it's just spreading it back and forth it's not controlling it and Boris Johnson knows that but doesn't care enough more concerned about the economy the whole nation needs to do a stand off " In that vein ensure you keep the pubs, restaurants, cinemas, gyms, non food shops and everything else closed (except essential work) until it’s gone | |||
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"All schools and colleges should be closed permanently until this virus has gone as it's just spreading it back and forth it's not controlling it and Boris Johnson knows that but doesn't care enough more concerned about the economy the whole nation needs to do a stand off In that vein ensure you keep the pubs, restaurants, cinemas, gyms, non food shops and everything else closed (except essential work) until it’s gone " Correct ! They should ..and I think that is the part of all of this that people are just not fully getting maybe ? | |||
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"All schools and colleges should be closed permanently until this virus has gone as it's just spreading it back and forth it's not controlling it and Boris Johnson knows that but doesn't care enough more concerned about the economy the whole nation needs to do a stand off In that vein ensure you keep the pubs, restaurants, cinemas, gyms, non food shops and everything else closed (except essential work) until it’s gone Correct ! They should ..and I think that is the part of all of this that people are just not fully getting maybe ? " I agree but I wouldn’t agree to schools being closed without all of that. | |||
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"All schools and colleges should be closed permanently until this virus has gone as it's just spreading it back and forth it's not controlling it and Boris Johnson knows that but doesn't care enough more concerned about the economy the whole nation needs to do a stand off In that vein ensure you keep the pubs, restaurants, cinemas, gyms, non food shops and everything else closed (except essential work) until it’s gone Correct ! They should ..and I think that is the part of all of this that people are just not fully getting maybe ? " All of the above are not classified as a necessity and government should support these businesses it's about control and prevention limited access if you figure out amount time children have off from schools with holidays and teachers training days this hasn't affected grades yet the government as I remember did say children couldn't catch this virus but been plenty of cases just like any virus can be caught from a common cold if your immune system is strong enough you still have been a carrier at some point to contain something like this virus is too avoid as much contact as possible people weren't supposed to be leaving their own towns or city's but kept college open people traveling far and wide to get too them did increase amount of cases and why doesn't everyone agree in the house of commons the decisions Boris Johnson makes for him it's well we had to try and see what happens but it's not his loved ones who suffer...... | |||
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"I can see your point But... What about the vulnerable kids that need school, the kids that don't get regular hot meals, clean clothes, DV abuse at home... Teachers and all support staff should get the vaccine now, this is what we need govt to do. Not to shut the schools." Those children still get to go to school. Meals are either cooked at school and they pick them up or they’re offered a voucher every week to purchase food from local supermarkets which cannot be spent on things such as booze or cigarettes etc | |||
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"All schools and colleges should be closed permanently until this virus has gone as it's just spreading it back and forth it's not controlling it and Boris Johnson knows that but doesn't care enough more concerned about the economy the whole nation needs to do a stand off In that vein ensure you keep the pubs, restaurants, cinemas, gyms, non food shops and everything else closed (except essential work) until it’s gone " In the same way haven’t pubs and restaurants only been open for 3/4 months since March anyway? | |||
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"All schools and colleges should be closed permanently until this virus has gone as it's just spreading it back and forth it's not controlling it and Boris Johnson knows that but doesn't care enough more concerned about the economy the whole nation needs to do a stand off In that vein ensure you keep the pubs, restaurants, cinemas, gyms, non food shops and everything else closed (except essential work) until it’s gone In the same way haven’t pubs and restaurants only been open for 3/4 months since March anyway?" Maybe I haven’t kept track. When I mean closure I mean stopping the takeaway element, of pubs especially, as just encourages groups to congregate and drink their pints outside the venues in their refillable pint glasses no matter the rules of T3 or T4 | |||
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"I don’t have kids However I do think that schools are a Petri dish as well as home exchanges. Pubs and Restaurants have been closed but we are still seeing rates go up the only common denominator is that kids are super spreading it and nesting grandparents or other people " Not the adults in the house then just the kids | |||
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"All schools and colleges should be closed permanently until this virus has gone as it's just spreading it back and forth it's not controlling it and Boris Johnson knows that but doesn't care enough more concerned about the economy the whole nation needs to do a stand off In that vein ensure you keep the pubs, restaurants, cinemas, gyms, non food shops and everything else closed (except essential work) until it’s gone In the same way haven’t pubs and restaurants only been open for 3/4 months since March anyway?" Yes I agree but wasn't it also said that the virus has more control in a enclosed environment so would this be right to decide to have them open its cross contamination by air breathing and anything touching which cannot be classified as safe | |||
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"Poor children, for some it’s the only safe environment that they have " Agree | |||
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"Yes school should close till Easter then the summer holidays they can work through to catch up home schooling now " Til Easter?! Are you for real How ridiculous | |||
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"i understand ur frustration OP but i personally think the routine and structure for kids at school is important. my eldest will be returning to school from the 4th jan and they are doing lateral covid swabs on entrance to school and if positive a full pcp test will be performed and children sent home. To say it’s different for Nhs staff may i ask how? we work hard in an environment where we sometimes don’t get a break on a 12.5 hour shift, have to wear masks and visors ect all shift. we face covid head on. i had covid myself in november and was admitted to resus really poorly. Through the 1st lockdown my 13 year old suffered terribly with her mental health and had to have 1-1 counselling. I tried to home school both my children as well as work up2 60 hours a week as a nurse on a covid ward. It’s hard for everyone atm. I may get bashed for saying schools should stay open but personally i think the children need it. " I'd hope that regardless of for others that schools should stay open for key workers....my grandkids stayed at school throughout ... Hats off to you and obviously okay I know you personally but that means I also get to see how much this has affected you.. | |||
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""I'd hope that regardless of for others that schools should stay open for key workers....my grandkids stayed at school throughout ..." Our primary school is closed but here's the change. Critical workers need to email the school, by 11am this morning, stating what their role is and stating what days, this week, they require a place for their child. Without a confirmed place on a day to day basis your child will not be able to attend. We've just moved up to tier 3. It's the unions that have shut our schools this week. " Same at our school they have until 20.00 tonight to state why their kid needs to go to school and must fall under one of the set conditions :- Vulnerable Children • Children who have an allocated Social Worker • Children with an Education Health Care Plan (EHCP) - a legal document that describes a child’s special educational needs and the support they require. The children of Critical Workers - must be employed as one of the stated roles listed. | |||
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"i understand ur frustration OP but i personally think the routine and structure for kids at school is important. my eldest will be returning to school from the 4th jan and they are doing lateral covid swabs on entrance to school and if positive a full pcp test will be performed and children sent home. To say it’s different for Nhs staff may i ask how? we work hard in an environment where we sometimes don’t get a break on a 12.5 hour shift, have to wear masks and visors ect all shift. we face covid head on. i had covid myself in november and was admitted to resus really poorly. Through the 1st lockdown my 13 year old suffered terribly with her mental health and had to have 1-1 counselling. I tried to home school both my children as well as work up2 60 hours a week as a nurse on a covid ward. It’s hard for everyone atm. I may get bashed for saying schools should stay open but personally i think the children need it. I'd hope that regardless of for others that schools should stay open for key workers....my grandkids stayed at school throughout ... Hats off to you and obviously okay I know you personally but that means I also get to see how much this has affected you.. " Thankyou hunni. both my girls have been today and come home happy that they have been in to see their friends even tho they r sat individually at their own desks and can’t mix with other kids they have still had a good day | |||
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"I asked my daughter who is in yr 10 if she'd ever seen any of her teachers cleaning. She said no. Ad before anyone has a go saying it's not in their remit at a time like this it has to be. It's not in mine either but I'm doing it at work." Our teachers clean the teaching area at the front before/after each lesson. We've allocated each group to a homeroom where almost all their lessons take place. Students have to sit in the same chair each lesson, they're dismissed one at a time, starting with closest to the door at the front, so they don't pile on top of each other. Because it's the same group sitting in the same chairs all through a day, they don't need to be cleaned. They're cleaned before the first lessons and after the last. If we do need to move a group into a different room, we have to schedule cleaning beforehand and this is now possible on the timetable. In addition to "Maths" and "Biology" etc, we also have "Cleaning" as a session title | |||
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"I asked my daughter who is in yr 10 if she'd ever seen any of her teachers cleaning. She said no. Ad before anyone has a go saying it's not in their remit at a time like this it has to be. It's not in mine either but I'm doing it at work." I’m the same way why would the teachers clean when all the kids are in? They could be doing it when the class is empty. Which is what I do | |||
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"I asked my daughter who is in yr 10 if she'd ever seen any of her teachers cleaning. She said no. Ad before anyone has a go saying it's not in their remit at a time like this it has to be. It's not in mine either but I'm doing it at work. I’m the same way why would the teachers clean when all the kids are in? They could be doing it when the class is empty. Which is what I do" Me too | |||
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"I asked my daughter who is in yr 10 if she'd ever seen any of her teachers cleaning. She said no. Ad before anyone has a go saying it's not in their remit at a time like this it has to be. It's not in mine either but I'm doing it at work. I’m the same way why would the teachers clean when all the kids are in? They could be doing it when the class is empty. Which is what I do" My lad’s school the kids don’t move the teachers do. He says each teacher wipes down the desk they arrive at before using it, which he laughs at because the teacher who left wiped it down before leaving and thinks they don’t trust each other, told him it is them just doing what they need to do. Just like you have your individual bottle of hand sanitizer and use it between each lesson even though you haven’t moved anywhere | |||
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