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"Lack of staff rather beds, perhaps many staff have decided to self isolate with their family over the Christmas/New Year period." What a vile comment to make! These people have worked tirelessly all year and I doubt any of them would do a bunk at such a critical time | |||
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"Same in social care, our staffing levels are now dangerously low day in day out It's all shit" Thank goodness for people like you who do such a great job. Hope things improve for you sooner rather than later. Happy New year x | |||
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"A sad turning point, nightingale being prepped to be used. Feel for all the staff, patients & families. " I do too Nhs staff are under so much pressure. What a dreadful situation | |||
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"And on top of that domestic violence has gone through the roof , knocking six bells out of each other & children involved ( hospital admissions) " This is so sad The assumption that everyone is safe at home is so often misplaced | |||
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"And on top of that domestic violence has gone through the roof , knocking six bells out of each other & children involved ( hospital admissions) This is so sad The assumption that everyone is safe at home is so often misplaced " I’m afraid so | |||
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"A sad turning point, nightingale being prepped to be used. Feel for all the staff, patients & families. I do too Nhs staff are under so much pressure. What a dreadful situation" It is. I have a paramedic friend currently with a patient in their home, been there 3 hours waiting for an ambulance and she’ll stay there until one arrives. | |||
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"This is exactly the scenario that the government has been trying to avoid, sadly now it seems that we are on the road to a national crisis. Yet I guarantee people will STILL be claiming it's all nonsense and posting ridiculous statistics about the age of the dying. Yet I can 100% guarantee all these people denouncing the pandemic and claiming that their freedom has been curtailed in some elaborate conspiracy will be the first shouting and complaining if they or their loved ones can't get treated from the overwhelmed hospitals. It's not a case of people saying we told you so and sitting back and looking smug and patting ourselves on the back. It's exactly the opposite,no one wants this to happen. I am totally lost as to how many deaths is enough for some people to actually give a crap and start to take notice? Yet even today a group of activists staging a march in Brighton against the government and the lockdown and restrictions. I hate to use the word moron's but nothing else seems appropriate!" So true. Regardless of anyone's opinion, we can all have a great argument after this is over... Right now we have to stop spreading it. We are the ones spreading it. Stay home. Stay home stay home. | |||
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"This is exactly the scenario that the government has been trying to avoid, sadly now it seems that we are on the road to a national crisis. Yet I guarantee people will STILL be claiming it's all nonsense and posting ridiculous statistics about the age of the dying. Yet I can 100% guarantee all these people denouncing the pandemic and claiming that their freedom has been curtailed in some elaborate conspiracy will be the first shouting and complaining if they or their loved ones can't get treated from the overwhelmed hospitals. It's not a case of people saying we told you so and sitting back and looking smug and patting ourselves on the back. It's exactly the opposite,no one wants this to happen. I am totally lost as to how many deaths is enough for some people to actually give a crap and start to take notice? Yet even today a group of activists staging a march in Brighton against the government and the lockdown and restrictions. I hate to use the word moron's but nothing else seems appropriate!" Only today I had something pop up on Facebook that there are supposed to be mass rallies in London & Manchester tonight. I also saw some footage from a week or two ago when Piers Corbyn held a rally in my local town going on about loss of rights etc. Thankfully not that many people there listening to it | |||
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"Lack of staff rather beds, perhaps many staff have decided to self isolate with their family over the Christmas/New Year period." What a Nasty thing to say. My family friend is like a zombie, woringk her heart out treating people, an now has 3 member of staff who she works with in ICU. In beds on the wards being treated. Not one of have taken time off all year an she hasnt had time off over christmas. | |||
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"Meanwhile it seems there's plenty of space at Gloucester Royal..... A woman in the UK was arrested by police after she filmed a video inside an almost completely empty hospital and posted it online, the daily mail calls her an anti lockdown protester who's friends with Jeremy Corbyn's brother you know to make her look like a nut case. Don't get me wrong the virus is real very real I know this first hand but this has to be explained. I'm sure the experts on here will be say people are scared to go or the doctors and nurses are treating the covid patients, who knows they probably are. Interesting tho " Correct me if I’m wrong but it looked like she took footage of empty hospital corridors not empty hospital wards? | |||
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"Meanwhile it seems there's plenty of space at Gloucester Royal..... A woman in the UK was arrested by police after she filmed a video inside an almost completely empty hospital and posted it online, the daily mail calls her an anti lockdown protester who's friends with Jeremy Corbyn's brother you know to make her look like a nut case. Don't get me wrong the virus is real very real I know this first hand but this has to be explained. I'm sure the experts on here will be say people are scared to go or the doctors and nurses are treating the covid patients, who knows they probably are. Interesting tho " It would appear she filmed in the outpatients and main atrium area and adjoining corridors. On a Sunday. Even before Covid, you wouldn't find many people in outpatients on a Sunday. Hospitals are closed to all visitors, almost all outpatient clinics are suspended or being run online/over the phone and she wonders why the hospital seemed empty? She presumably didn't gain access to an actual treatment ward, which is where she'd have found the patients and staff. Covid patients have this nasty habit of staying put in their bed for long periods, rather than roaming the corridors. Apparently she was challenged by staff that she came across for not wearing a mask - she (falsely) claimed exemption. What a paragon of investigate journalism she is... | |||
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"Meanwhile it seems there's plenty of space at Gloucester Royal..... A woman in the UK was arrested by police after she filmed a video inside an almost completely empty hospital and posted it online, the daily mail calls her an anti lockdown protester who's friends with Jeremy Corbyn's brother you know to make her look like a nut case. Don't get me wrong the virus is real very real I know this first hand but this has to be explained. I'm sure the experts on here will be say people are scared to go or the doctors and nurses are treating the covid patients, who knows they probably are. Interesting tho Correct me if I’m wrong but it looked like she took footage of empty hospital corridors not empty hospital wards? " Correct. | |||
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"annually we are told that beds are full due to flu. its not surprising that people become immune to this propoganda. either you were lying every other time or its business as usual. " In the really cold winter of 2016, I called an ambulance because my asthma kicked off ( its usually not life limiting at all. Very mild) The paramedic told me that alot of the nhs staff were poorly themselves. But had been told they werent allowed to take time off This woman was clearly unwell. But still working to help people like me I felt for her | |||
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"This is exactly the scenario that the government has been trying to avoid, sadly now it seems that we are on the road to a national crisis. Yet I guarantee people will STILL be claiming it's all nonsense and posting ridiculous statistics about the age of the dying. Yet I can 100% guarantee all these people denouncing the pandemic and claiming that their freedom has been curtailed in some elaborate conspiracy will be the first shouting and complaining if they or their loved ones can't get treated from the overwhelmed hospitals. It's not a case of people saying we told you so and sitting back and looking smug and patting ourselves on the back. It's exactly the opposite,no one wants this to happen. I am totally lost as to how many deaths is enough for some people to actually give a crap and start to take notice? Yet even today a group of activists staging a march in Brighton against the government and the lockdown and restrictions. I hate to use the word moron's but nothing else seems appropriate!"    | |||
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"A government that was incompetent and inept in its ability to handle this disaster. Every decision was made 3-4 weeks too late, airports and ports still open, people still travelling out with their home town/location. But hey - Schools are extremely safe! " Possibly but riddle me this... Who spreads the virus? | |||
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"Meanwhile it seems there's plenty of space at Gloucester Royal..... A woman in the UK was arrested by police after she filmed a video inside an almost completely empty hospital and posted it online, the daily mail calls her an anti lockdown protester who's friends with Jeremy Corbyn's brother you know to make her look like a nut case. Don't get me wrong the virus is real very real I know this first hand but this has to be explained. I'm sure the experts on here will be say people are scared to go or the doctors and nurses are treating the covid patients, who knows they probably are. Interesting tho It would appear she filmed in the outpatients and main atrium area and adjoining corridors. On a Sunday. Even before Covid, you wouldn't find many people in outpatients on a Sunday. Hospitals are closed to all visitors, almost all outpatient clinics are suspended or being run online/over the phone and she wonders why the hospital seemed empty? She presumably didn't gain access to an actual treatment ward, which is where she'd have found the patients and staff. Covid patients have this nasty habit of staying put in their bed for long periods, rather than roaming the corridors. Apparently she was challenged by staff that she came across for not wearing a mask - she (falsely) claimed exemption. What a paragon of investigate journalism she is... " Cheers I was wondering but that would make sense, TBF in my defense I only read one article. | |||
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"annually we are told that beds are full due to flu. its not surprising that people become immune to this propoganda. either you were lying every other time or its business as usual. " Last winter, our local hospital called a black alert (one above a red alert), due to respiratory illness. My Dad was admitted to hospital with pneumonia on 6th Jan also with pneumonia and the wards were absolutely rammed with lots of people in the same boat. Staff were absolutely overrun, they were treating patients needing admission in consultation rooms (including my Dad for the first 7hrs after he arrived). He was in need of IV antibiotics, oxygen and other treatment but could only be provided with a hard examination couch upon which to lie down/prop up. This was the situation before Covid. | |||
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"Meanwhile it seems there's plenty of space at Gloucester Royal..... A woman in the UK was arrested by police after she filmed a video inside an almost completely empty hospital and posted it online, the daily mail calls her an anti lockdown protester who's friends with Jeremy Corbyn's brother you know to make her look like a nut case. Don't get me wrong the virus is real very real I know this first hand but this has to be explained. I'm sure the experts on here will be say people are scared to go or the doctors and nurses are treating the covid patients, who knows they probably are. Interesting tho It would appear she filmed in the outpatients and main atrium area and adjoining corridors. On a Sunday. Even before Covid, you wouldn't find many people in outpatients on a Sunday. Hospitals are closed to all visitors, almost all outpatient clinics are suspended or being run online/over the phone and she wonders why the hospital seemed empty? She presumably didn't gain access to an actual treatment ward, which is where she'd have found the patients and staff. Covid patients have this nasty habit of staying put in their bed for long periods, rather than roaming the corridors. Apparently she was challenged by staff that she came across for not wearing a mask - she (falsely) claimed exemption. What a paragon of investigate journalism she is... Cheers I was wondering but that would make sense, TBF in my defense I only read one article. "But this is the problem. It took me two minutes to read around and find that info. The post you've written towards the top of the thread will catch the attention of the anti-Covid crowd, who won't bother scrolling down for any replies and who will seize upon the post as fuel for the fire of their conspiracy. I would suggest reading a bit more about something like that before you decide to post. Apparently innocuous posts can be dangerous - remember that anyone who is not a Fab member can read forum posts (which don't have poster's names included), so your post will come up when Gloucester is searched for (esp. alongside other keywords). | |||
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"Lack of staff rather beds, perhaps many staff have decided to self isolate with their family over the Christmas/New Year period." Classy. I think they have in fact been told to come in,if they had time off. | |||
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"Meanwhile it seems there's plenty of space at Gloucester Royal..... A woman in the UK was arrested by police after she filmed a video inside an almost completely empty hospital and posted it online, the daily mail calls her an anti lockdown protester who's friends with Jeremy Corbyn's brother you know to make her look like a nut case. Don't get me wrong the virus is real very real I know this first hand but this has to be explained. I'm sure the experts on here will be say people are scared to go or the doctors and nurses are treating the covid patients, who knows they probably are. Interesting tho It would appear she filmed in the outpatients and main atrium area and adjoining corridors. On a Sunday. Even before Covid, you wouldn't find many people in outpatients on a Sunday. Hospitals are closed to all visitors, almost all outpatient clinics are suspended or being run online/over the phone and she wonders why the hospital seemed empty? She presumably didn't gain access to an actual treatment ward, which is where she'd have found the patients and staff. Covid patients have this nasty habit of staying put in their bed for long periods, rather than roaming the corridors. Apparently she was challenged by staff that she came across for not wearing a mask - she (falsely) claimed exemption. What a paragon of investigate journalism she is... " If you can get over the pain to click on the Daily Mails site her video is on there... A quick review of her laughable journalism and subsequent arrest video confirm she is 100% a woman who needs to go buy herself a Doxy! When you are citing the fact a paramedic is surface cleaning the back of their ambulance after drop off as clear evidence they have nothing to do you just have to shake your head and walk away. | |||
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"Meanwhile it seems there's plenty of space at Gloucester Royal..... A woman in the UK was arrested by police after she filmed a video inside an almost completely empty hospital and posted it online, the daily mail calls her an anti lockdown protester who's friends with Jeremy Corbyn's brother you know to make her look like a nut case. Don't get me wrong the virus is real very real I know this first hand but this has to be explained. I'm sure the experts on here will be say people are scared to go or the doctors and nurses are treating the covid patients, who knows they probably are. Interesting tho " How are your grazed knuckles - Sir? Might they need attention? Good luck with that. Also, may I educationally superior to you in every way, further, more subject savvy suggest. Please know when the Daily Fail are playing you. (too much to ask, I know) That idiot shooting Covid abandoned corridors (as people work in busy wards, (unfilmed), should either go to a covid ward (but the coward was not plucky enough to do so), go back to school, (but they would not let her attend - as she's a loose cannon). Or.. we all educate and vaccine against this utter bull coming from her cloud (they need help, not jail). Yourself keyboard warrior. Engage Brain before you engage mouth / Keyboard. Go to bed, stay away from any other humans. Consider help as an unaware simpleton, inform self before posting (d*unk again)? Nah, thought not, moderator, I'm blocking this rubbish (simpleton) that should not be able to be aired here, spouting consequential nonsense. Please might you look at your policy of misinformation (as twitter do with trump?). Thank you, I'll follow up in the New Year. | |||
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"Meanwhile it seems there's plenty of space at Gloucester Royal..... A woman in the UK was arrested by police after she filmed a video inside an almost completely empty hospital and posted it online, the daily mail calls her an anti lockdown protester who's friends with Jeremy Corbyn's brother you know to make her look like a nut case. Don't get me wrong the virus is real very real I know this first hand but this has to be explained. I'm sure the experts on here will be say people are scared to go or the doctors and nurses are treating the covid patients, who knows they probably are. Interesting tho It would appear she filmed in the outpatients and main atrium area and adjoining corridors. On a Sunday. Even before Covid, you wouldn't find many people in outpatients on a Sunday. Hospitals are closed to all visitors, almost all outpatient clinics are suspended or being run online/over the phone and she wonders why the hospital seemed empty? She presumably didn't gain access to an actual treatment ward, which is where she'd have found the patients and staff. Covid patients have this nasty habit of staying put in their bed for long periods, rather than roaming the corridors. Apparently she was challenged by staff that she came across for not wearing a mask - she (falsely) claimed exemption. What a paragon of investigate journalism she is... Cheers I was wondering but that would make sense, TBF in my defense I only read one article.
But this is the problem. It took me two minutes to read around and find that info. The post you've written towards the top of the thread will catch the attention of the anti-Covid crowd, who won't bother scrolling down for any replies and who will seize upon the post as fuel for the fire of their conspiracy. I would suggest reading a bit more about something like that before you decide to post. Apparently innocuous posts can be dangerous - remember that anyone who is not a Fab member can read forum posts (which don't have poster's names included), so your post will come up when Gloucester is searched for (esp. alongside other keywords)."Didn't know that thanks for the heads up, however I've just watched the video again and it can not of been as you suggested before covid and Sunday because in the video she shows that it's Monday and she mentions tier 3. I'm sure that there's definitely more to it than is being led on. I'm not which post you're referring too at the top of the post. But cheers anyway | |||
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"A government that was incompetent and inept in its ability to handle this disaster. Every decision was made 3-4 weeks too late, airports and ports still open, people still travelling out with their home town/location. But hey - Schools are extremely safe! " And opening again in a few weeks. | |||
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"Meanwhile it seems there's plenty of space at Gloucester Royal..... A woman in the UK was arrested by police after she filmed a video inside an almost completely empty hospital and posted it online, the daily mail calls her an anti lockdown protester who's friends with Jeremy Corbyn's brother you know to make her look like a nut case. Don't get me wrong the virus is real very real I know this first hand but this has to be explained. I'm sure the experts on here will be say people are scared to go or the doctors and nurses are treating the covid patients, who knows they probably are. Interesting tho How are your grazed knuckles - Sir? Might they need attention? Good luck with that. Also, may I educationally superior to you in every way, further, more subject savvy suggest. Please know when the Daily Fail are playing you. (too much to ask, I know) That idiot shooting Covid abandoned corridors (as people work in busy wards, (unfilmed), should either go to a covid ward (but the coward was not plucky enough to do so), go back to school, (but they would not let her attend - as she's a loose cannon). Or.. we all educate and vaccine against this utter bull coming from her cloud (they need help, not jail). Yourself keyboard warrior. Engage Brain before you engage mouth / Keyboard. Go to bed, stay away from any other humans. Consider help as an unaware simpleton, inform self before posting (d*unk again)? Nah, thought not, moderator, I'm blocking this rubbish (simpleton) that should not be able to be aired here, spouting consequential nonsense. Please might you look at your policy of misinformation (as twitter do with trump?). Thank you, I'll follow up in the New Year. " What's with the abuse pal. | |||
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"Meanwhile it seems there's plenty of space at Gloucester Royal..... A woman in the UK was arrested by police after she filmed a video inside an almost completely empty hospital and posted it online, the daily mail calls her an anti lockdown protester who's friends with Jeremy Corbyn's brother you know to make her look like a nut case. Don't get me wrong the virus is real very real I know this first hand but this has to be explained. I'm sure the experts on here will be say people are scared to go or the doctors and nurses are treating the covid patients, who knows they probably are. Interesting tho It would appear she filmed in the outpatients and main atrium area and adjoining corridors. On a Sunday. Even before Covid, you wouldn't find many people in outpatients on a Sunday. Hospitals are closed to all visitors, almost all outpatient clinics are suspended or being run online/over the phone and she wonders why the hospital seemed empty? She presumably didn't gain access to an actual treatment ward, which is where she'd have found the patients and staff. Covid patients have this nasty habit of staying put in their bed for long periods, rather than roaming the corridors. Apparently she was challenged by staff that she came across for not wearing a mask - she (falsely) claimed exemption. What a paragon of investigate journalism she is... If you can get over the pain to click on the Daily Mails site her video is on there... A quick review of her laughable journalism and subsequent arrest video confirm she is 100% a woman who needs to go buy herself a Doxy! When you are citing the fact a paramedic is surface cleaning the back of their ambulance after drop off as clear evidence they have nothing to do you just have to shake your head and walk away." What does that say about the 'newspaper 'who ran the story? | |||
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"Lack of staff rather beds, perhaps many staff have decided to self isolate with their family over the Christmas/New Year period." I’m sorry mental health provisions are so reduced currently, I hope 2021 brings about an upturn in fortune and you can gain access to the help you obviously need. Stay strong, happy new year x | |||
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"Meanwhile it seems there's plenty of space at Gloucester Royal..... A woman in the UK was arrested by police after she filmed a video inside an almost completely empty hospital and posted it online, the daily mail calls her an anti lockdown protester who's friends with Jeremy Corbyn's brother you know to make her look like a nut case. Don't get me wrong the virus is real very real I know this first hand but this has to be explained. I'm sure the experts on here will be say people are scared to go or the doctors and nurses are treating the covid patients, who knows they probably are. Interesting tho It would appear she filmed in the outpatients and main atrium area and adjoining corridors. On a Sunday. Even before Covid, you wouldn't find many people in outpatients on a Sunday. Hospitals are closed to all visitors, almost all outpatient clinics are suspended or being run online/over the phone and she wonders why the hospital seemed empty? She presumably didn't gain access to an actual treatment ward, which is where she'd have found the patients and staff. Covid patients have this nasty habit of staying put in their bed for long periods, rather than roaming the corridors. Apparently she was challenged by staff that she came across for not wearing a mask - she (falsely) claimed exemption. What a paragon of investigate journalism she is... Cheers I was wondering but that would make sense, TBF in my defense I only read one article.
But this is the problem. It took me two minutes to read around and find that info. The post you've written towards the top of the thread will catch the attention of the anti-Covid crowd, who won't bother scrolling down for any replies and who will seize upon the post as fuel for the fire of their conspiracy. I would suggest reading a bit more about something like that before you decide to post. Apparently innocuous posts can be dangerous - remember that anyone who is not a Fab member can read forum posts (which don't have poster's names included), so your post will come up when Gloucester is searched for (esp. alongside other keywords).
Didn't know that thanks for the heads up, however I've just watched the video again and it can not of been as you suggested before covid and Sunday because in the video she shows that it's Monday and she mentions tier 3. I'm sure that there's definitely more to it than is being led on.
I'm not which post you're referring too at the top of the post. But cheers anyway
1) I didn't say anything about being before Covid
2) She filmed on a Sunday night and posted it online on Monday morning.
I don't mean to be rude, but are you able to think critically?"Hang on a second I was asking for an opinion I got it back and I thanked you for it you did say before covid so forgive me for quoting you..I see your point on Sunday filming post it Monday. | |||
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"Meanwhile it seems there's plenty of space at Gloucester Royal..... A woman in the UK was arrested by police after she filmed a video inside an almost completely empty hospital and posted it online, the daily mail calls her an anti lockdown protester who's friends with Jeremy Corbyn's brother you know to make her look like a nut case. Don't get me wrong the virus is real very real I know this first hand but this has to be explained. I'm sure the experts on here will be say people are scared to go or the doctors and nurses are treating the covid patients, who knows they probably are. Interesting tho It would appear she filmed in the outpatients and main atrium area and adjoining corridors. On a Sunday. Even before Covid, you wouldn't find many people in outpatients on a Sunday. Hospitals are closed to all visitors, almost all outpatient clinics are suspended or being run online/over the phone and she wonders why the hospital seemed empty? She presumably didn't gain access to an actual treatment ward, which is where she'd have found the patients and staff. Covid patients have this nasty habit of staying put in their bed for long periods, rather than roaming the corridors. Apparently she was challenged by staff that she came across for not wearing a mask - she (falsely) claimed exemption. What a paragon of investigate journalism she is... Cheers I was wondering but that would make sense, TBF in my defense I only read one article.
But this is the problem. It took me two minutes to read around and find that info. The post you've written towards the top of the thread will catch the attention of the anti-Covid crowd, who won't bother scrolling down for any replies and who will seize upon the post as fuel for the fire of their conspiracy. I would suggest reading a bit more about something like that before you decide to post. Apparently innocuous posts can be dangerous - remember that anyone who is not a Fab member can read forum posts (which don't have poster's names included), so your post will come up when Gloucester is searched for (esp. alongside other keywords).
Didn't know that thanks for the heads up, however I've just watched the video again and it can not of been as you suggested before covid and Sunday because in the video she shows that it's Monday and she mentions tier 3. I'm sure that there's definitely more to it than is being led on.
I'm not which post you're referring too at the top of the post. But cheers anyway "1) I said EVEN BEFORE Covid. Aka, in the era before Covid became an issue, you wouldn't find anyone in outpatients on a Sunday. How is that so hard to read? 2) She filmed on a Sunday night and posted the video on Monday morning. I don't wish to be rude, but are you capable of critical thinking? | |||
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"Meanwhile it seems there's plenty of space at Gloucester Royal..... A woman in the UK was arrested by police after she filmed a video inside an almost completely empty hospital and posted it online, the daily mail calls her an anti lockdown protester who's friends with Jeremy Corbyn's brother you know to make her look like a nut case. Don't get me wrong the virus is real very real I know this first hand but this has to be explained. I'm sure the experts on here will be say people are scared to go or the doctors and nurses are treating the covid patients, who knows they probably are. Interesting tho It would appear she filmed in the outpatients and main atrium area and adjoining corridors. On a Sunday. Even before Covid, you wouldn't find many people in outpatients on a Sunday. Hospitals are closed to all visitors, almost all outpatient clinics are suspended or being run online/over the phone and she wonders why the hospital seemed empty? She presumably didn't gain access to an actual treatment ward, which is where she'd have found the patients and staff. Covid patients have this nasty habit of staying put in their bed for long periods, rather than roaming the corridors. Apparently she was challenged by staff that she came across for not wearing a mask - she (falsely) claimed exemption. What a paragon of investigate journalism she is... Cheers I was wondering but that would make sense, TBF in my defense I only read one article.
But this is the problem. It took me two minutes to read around and find that info. The post you've written towards the top of the thread will catch the attention of the anti-Covid crowd, who won't bother scrolling down for any replies and who will seize upon the post as fuel for the fire of their conspiracy. I would suggest reading a bit more about something like that before you decide to post. Apparently innocuous posts can be dangerous - remember that anyone who is not a Fab member can read forum posts (which don't have poster's names included), so your post will come up when Gloucester is searched for (esp. alongside other keywords).
Didn't know that thanks for the heads up, however I've just watched the video again and it can not of been as you suggested before covid and Sunday because in the video she shows that it's Monday and she mentions tier 3. I'm sure that there's definitely more to it than is being led on.
I'm not which post you're referring too at the top of the post. But cheers anyway
1) I didn't say anything about being before Covid
2) She filmed on a Sunday night and posted it online on Monday morning.
I don't mean to be rude, but are you able to think critically?
Hang on a second I was asking for an opinion I got it back and I thanked you for it you did say before covid so forgive me for quoting you..I see your point on Sunday filming post it Monday.
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"Meanwhile it seems there's plenty of space at Gloucester Royal..... A woman in the UK was arrested by police after she filmed a video inside an almost completely empty hospital and posted it online, the daily mail calls her an anti lockdown protester who's friends with Jeremy Corbyn's brother you know to make her look like a nut case. Don't get me wrong the virus is real very real I know this first hand but this has to be explained. I'm sure the experts on here will be say people are scared to go or the doctors and nurses are treating the covid patients, who knows they probably are. Interesting tho How are your grazed knuckles - Sir? Might they need attention? Good luck with that. Also, may I educationally superior to you in every way, further, more subject savvy suggest. Please know when the Daily Fail are playing you. (too much to ask, I know) That idiot shooting Covid abandoned corridors (as people work in busy wards, (unfilmed), should either go to a covid ward (but the coward was not plucky enough to do so), go back to school, (but they would not let her attend - as she's a loose cannon). Or.. we all educate and vaccine against this utter bull coming from her cloud (they need help, not jail). Yourself keyboard warrior. Engage Brain before you engage mouth / Keyboard. Go to bed, stay away from any other humans. Consider help as an unaware simpleton, inform self before posting (d*unk again)? Nah, thought not, moderator, I'm blocking this rubbish (simpleton) that should not be able to be aired here, spouting consequential nonsense. Please might you look at your policy of misinformation (as twitter do with trump?). Thank you, I'll follow up in the New Year. What's with the abuse pal. " It's a different point of view, not abuse. Please don't call me 'pal' - I am not and will never be so | |||
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"annually we are told that beds are full due to flu. its not surprising that people become immune to this propoganda. either you were lying every other time or its business as usual. " It's nowhere near as usual, East Surrey near Redhill have been taking patients from north Kent hospitals for over two weeks.. | |||
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"Meanwhile it seems there's plenty of space at Gloucester Royal..... A woman in the UK was arrested by police after she filmed a video inside an almost completely empty hospital and posted it online, the daily mail calls her an anti lockdown protester who's friends with Jeremy Corbyn's brother you know to make her look like a nut case. Don't get me wrong the virus is real very real I know this first hand but this has to be explained. I'm sure the experts on here will be say people are scared to go or the doctors and nurses are treating the covid patients, who knows they probably are. Interesting tho It would appear she filmed in the outpatients and main atrium area and adjoining corridors. On a Sunday. Even before Covid, you wouldn't find many people in outpatients on a Sunday. Hospitals are closed to all visitors, almost all outpatient clinics are suspended or being run online/over the phone and she wonders why the hospital seemed empty? She presumably didn't gain access to an actual treatment ward, which is where she'd have found the patients and staff. Covid patients have this nasty habit of staying put in their bed for long periods, rather than roaming the corridors. Apparently she was challenged by staff that she came across for not wearing a mask - she (falsely) claimed exemption. What a paragon of investigate journalism she is... Cheers I was wondering but that would make sense, TBF in my defense I only read one article.
But this is the problem. It took me two minutes to read around and find that info. The post you've written towards the top of the thread will catch the attention of the anti-Covid crowd, who won't bother scrolling down for any replies and who will seize upon the post as fuel for the fire of their conspiracy. I would suggest reading a bit more about something like that before you decide to post. Apparently innocuous posts can be dangerous - remember that anyone who is not a Fab member can read forum posts (which don't have poster's names included), so your post will come up when Gloucester is searched for (esp. alongside other keywords).
Didn't know that thanks for the heads up, however I've just watched the video again and it can not of been as you suggested before covid and Sunday because in the video she shows that it's Monday and she mentions tier 3. I'm sure that there's definitely more to it than is being led on.
I'm not which post you're referring too at the top of the post. But cheers anyway
1) I didn't say anything about being before Covid
2) She filmed on a Sunday night and posted it online on Monday morning.
I don't mean to be rude, but are you able to think critically?
Hang on a second I was asking for an opinion I got it back and I thanked you for it you did say before covid so forgive me for quoting you..I see your point on Sunday filming post it Monday.
See edited reply above."It was Monday. But it was bank holiday Monday so you are right there were no clinics and of course it was quiet in the main public areas. | |||
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"Meanwhile it seems there's plenty of space at Gloucester Royal..... A woman in the UK was arrested by police after she filmed a video inside an almost completely empty hospital and posted it online, the daily mail calls her an anti lockdown protester who's friends with Jeremy Corbyn's brother you know to make her look like a nut case. Don't get me wrong the virus is real very real I know this first hand but this has to be explained. I'm sure the experts on here will be say people are scared to go or the doctors and nurses are treating the covid patients, who knows they probably are. Interesting tho It would appear she filmed in the outpatients and main atrium area and adjoining corridors. On a Sunday. Even before Covid, you wouldn't find many people in outpatients on a Sunday. Hospitals are closed to all visitors, almost all outpatient clinics are suspended or being run online/over the phone and she wonders why the hospital seemed empty? She presumably didn't gain access to an actual treatment ward, which is where she'd have found the patients and staff. Covid patients have this nasty habit of staying put in their bed for long periods, rather than roaming the corridors. Apparently she was challenged by staff that she came across for not wearing a mask - she (falsely) claimed exemption. What a paragon of investigate journalism she is... Cheers I was wondering but that would make sense, TBF in my defense I only read one article.
But this is the problem. It took me two minutes to read around and find that info. The post you've written towards the top of the thread will catch the attention of the anti-Covid crowd, who won't bother scrolling down for any replies and who will seize upon the post as fuel for the fire of their conspiracy. I would suggest reading a bit more about something like that before you decide to post. Apparently innocuous posts can be dangerous - remember that anyone who is not a Fab member can read forum posts (which don't have poster's names included), so your post will come up when Gloucester is searched for (esp. alongside other keywords).
Didn't know that thanks for the heads up, however I've just watched the video again and it can not of been as you suggested before covid and Sunday because in the video she shows that it's Monday and she mentions tier 3. I'm sure that there's definitely more to it than is being led on.
I'm not which post you're referring too at the top of the post. But cheers anyway
1) I didn't say anything about being before Covid
2) She filmed on a Sunday night and posted it online on Monday morning.
I don't mean to be rude, but are you able to think critically?
Hang on a second I was asking for an opinion I got it back and I thanked you for it you did say before covid so forgive me for quoting you..I see your point on Sunday filming post it Monday.
See edited reply above.
It was Monday. But it was bank holiday Monday so you are right there were no clinics and of course it was quiet in the main public areas."To be honest, you could go into any outpatients department on any day of the week at the moment and you'd see the same thing. Because most outpatient clinics aren't open to see physical patients. | |||
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"And despite the opening post, it's mere seconds for people to pop along and blame the government. And lo and behold it's the usual suspects. People. It's the people who are spreading this, while the government desperately adapt the guidance due to the selfish, ignorant actions of the absolute fuckwits who ignore everything they're told to do. And meanwhile our wonderful NHS desperately try to keep ahead of the need. Every government of any party, in every country in the world has a population full of people saying "This government fucked it up, this government are useless, blah blah blah" When the truth is, they're all trying to deal with a global pandemic for which no-one has any experience of, for which there's no cure, for which we're learning something new every day. Meanwhile, people keep ignoring the advice, the statistics and the guidelines, whilst moaning about how the Government are screwing it up, cases are rising and the restrictions are tightening. People and their stinking, selfish, stupid, ignorant attitudes. Them's the problem. Love you Charli, you and your colleagues are absolutely, totally and completely, fucking superstars. E " Totally agree The government is fighting a losing battle if the minority keep whining about their civil liberties beijg taken away, and doing as they damn well please | |||
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"Meanwhile it seems there's plenty of space at Gloucester Royal..... A woman in the UK was arrested by police after she filmed a video inside an almost completely empty hospital and posted it online, the daily mail calls her an anti lockdown protester who's friends with Jeremy Corbyn's brother you know to make her look like a nut case. Don't get me wrong the virus is real very real I know this first hand but this has to be explained. I'm sure the experts on here will be say people are scared to go or the doctors and nurses are treating the covid patients, who knows they probably are. Interesting tho It would appear she filmed in the outpatients and main atrium area and adjoining corridors. On a Sunday. Even before Covid, you wouldn't find many people in outpatients on a Sunday. Hospitals are closed to all visitors, almost all outpatient clinics are suspended or being run online/over the phone and she wonders why the hospital seemed empty? She presumably didn't gain access to an actual treatment ward, which is where she'd have found the patients and staff. Covid patients have this nasty habit of staying put in their bed for long periods, rather than roaming the corridors. Apparently she was challenged by staff that she came across for not wearing a mask - she (falsely) claimed exemption. What a paragon of investigate journalism she is... Cheers I was wondering but that would make sense, TBF in my defense I only read one article.
But this is the problem. It took me two minutes to read around and find that info. The post you've written towards the top of the thread will catch the attention of the anti-Covid crowd, who won't bother scrolling down for any replies and who will seize upon the post as fuel for the fire of their conspiracy. I would suggest reading a bit more about something like that before you decide to post. Apparently innocuous posts can be dangerous - remember that anyone who is not a Fab member can read forum posts (which don't have poster's names included), so your post will come up when Gloucester is searched for (esp. alongside other keywords).
Didn't know that thanks for the heads up, however I've just watched the video again and it can not of been as you suggested before covid and Sunday because in the video she shows that it's Monday and she mentions tier 3. I'm sure that there's definitely more to it than is being led on.
I'm not which post you're referring too at the top of the post. But cheers anyway
1) I didn't say anything about being before Covid
2) She filmed on a Sunday night and posted it online on Monday morning.
I don't mean to be rude, but are you able to think critically?
Hang on a second I was asking for an opinion I got it back and I thanked you for it you did say before covid so forgive me for quoting you..I see your point on Sunday filming post it Monday.
See edited reply above.
It was Monday. But it was bank holiday Monday so you are right there were no clinics and of course it was quiet in the main public areas.
To be honest, you could go into any outpatients department on any day of the week at the moment and you'd see the same thing. Because most outpatient clinics aren't open to see physical patients."I've just watched the video, That woman is disgusting and the way she spoke to those 2 ladies was horrific. I'm so annoyed that wish I hadn't watched it now. People like her seem to know all of their rights and none of their responsibility. | |||
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"And despite the opening post, it's mere seconds for people to pop along and blame the government. And lo and behold it's the usual suspects. People. It's the people who are spreading this, while the government desperately adapt the guidance due to the selfish, ignorant actions of the absolute fuckwits who ignore everything they're told to do. And meanwhile our wonderful NHS desperately try to keep ahead of the need. Every government of any party, in every country in the world has a population full of people saying "This government fucked it up, this government are useless, blah blah blah" When the truth is, they're all trying to deal with a global pandemic for which no-one has any experience of, for which there's no cure, for which we're learning something new every day. Meanwhile, people keep ignoring the advice, the statistics and the guidelines, whilst moaning about how the Government are screwing it up, cases are rising and the restrictions are tightening. People and their stinking, selfish, stupid, ignorant attitudes. Them's the problem. Love you Charli, you and your colleagues are absolutely, totally and completely, fucking superstars. E Totally agree The government is fighting a losing battle if the minority keep whining about their civil liberties beijg taken away, and doing as they damn well please" I’m not saying that people aren’t to blame - but the government are not blameless by any stretch of the imagination. | |||
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"Meanwhile it seems there's plenty of space at Gloucester Royal..... A woman in the UK was arrested by police after she filmed a video inside an almost completely empty hospital and posted it online, the daily mail calls her an anti lockdown protester who's friends with Jeremy Corbyn's brother you know to make her look like a nut case. Don't get me wrong the virus is real very real I know this first hand but this has to be explained. I'm sure the experts on here will be say people are scared to go or the doctors and nurses are treating the covid patients, who knows they probably are. Interesting tho It would appear she filmed in the outpatients and main atrium area and adjoining corridors. On a Sunday. Even before Covid, you wouldn't find many people in outpatients on a Sunday. Hospitals are closed to all visitors, almost all outpatient clinics are suspended or being run online/over the phone and she wonders why the hospital seemed empty? She presumably didn't gain access to an actual treatment ward, which is where she'd have found the patients and staff. Covid patients have this nasty habit of staying put in their bed for long periods, rather than roaming the corridors. Apparently she was challenged by staff that she came across for not wearing a mask - she (falsely) claimed exemption. What a paragon of investigate journalism she is... Cheers I was wondering but that would make sense, TBF in my defense I only read one article.
But this is the problem. It took me two minutes to read around and find that info. The post you've written towards the top of the thread will catch the attention of the anti-Covid crowd, who won't bother scrolling down for any replies and who will seize upon the post as fuel for the fire of their conspiracy. I would suggest reading a bit more about something like that before you decide to post. Apparently innocuous posts can be dangerous - remember that anyone who is not a Fab member can read forum posts (which don't have poster's names included), so your post will come up when Gloucester is searched for (esp. alongside other keywords).
Didn't know that thanks for the heads up, however I've just watched the video again and it can not of been as you suggested before covid and Sunday because in the video she shows that it's Monday and she mentions tier 3. I'm sure that there's definitely more to it than is being led on.
I'm not which post you're referring too at the top of the post. But cheers anyway
1) I didn't say anything about being before Covid
2) She filmed on a Sunday night and posted it online on Monday morning.
I don't mean to be rude, but are you able to think critically?
Hang on a second I was asking for an opinion I got it back and I thanked you for it you did say before covid so forgive me for quoting you..I see your point on Sunday filming post it Monday.
See edited reply above.
It was Monday. But it was bank holiday Monday so you are right there were no clinics and of course it was quiet in the main public areas.
To be honest, you could go into any outpatients department on any day of the week at the moment and you'd see the same thing. Because most outpatient clinics aren't open to see physical patients.
I've just watched the video, That woman is disgusting and the way she spoke to those 2 ladies was horrific. I'm so annoyed that wish I hadn't watched it now.
People like her seem to know all of their rights and none of their responsibility."Also the video title I was able to find contains the date 27 December. Which is Sunday. Yes, she is clearly a complete and utter moron | |||
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"Meanwhile it seems there's plenty of space at Gloucester Royal..... A woman in the UK was arrested by police after she filmed a video inside an almost completely empty hospital and posted it online, the daily mail calls her an anti lockdown protester who's friends with Jeremy Corbyn's brother you know to make her look like a nut case. Don't get me wrong the virus is real very real I know this first hand but this has to be explained. I'm sure the experts on here will be say people are scared to go or the doctors and nurses are treating the covid patients, who knows they probably are. Interesting tho How are your grazed knuckles - Sir? Might they need attention? Good luck with that. Also, may I educationally superior to you in every way, further, more subject savvy suggest. Please know when the Daily Fail are playing you. (too much to ask, I know) That idiot shooting Covid abandoned corridors (as people work in busy wards, (unfilmed), should either go to a covid ward (but the coward was not plucky enough to do so), go back to school, (but they would not let her attend - as she's a loose cannon). Or.. we all educate and vaccine against this utter bull coming from her cloud (they need help, not jail). Yourself keyboard warrior. Engage Brain before you engage mouth / Keyboard. Go to bed, stay away from any other humans. Consider help as an unaware simpleton, inform self before posting (d*unk again)? Nah, thought not, moderator, I'm blocking this rubbish (simpleton) that should not be able to be aired here, spouting consequential nonsense. Please might you look at your policy of misinformation (as twitter do with trump?). Thank you, I'll follow up in the New Year. What's with the abuse pal. It's a different point of view, not abuse. Please don't call me 'pal' - I am not and will never be so
Calling me a knuckle dragger.
Calling me a simpleton
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"Except the nightingales where purely for show. There was never any way that they could be staffed safely, if at all. "Actually, the nightingales are effectively field hospitals, you may still see them in use as basic nursing, oxygen and a bed is better than no bed. The staffing hopes where always floored but I don’t believe they didn’t have the best intentions behind them at a time where we knew virtually nothing about this virus. | |||
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"If only the NHS wasnt vastly underfunded." Assume for a moment you're right. And assume that we've been told day after day after day for 9 months to stop spreading the virus. There's one thing which we can Control. And that is whether we choose to spread the infection. Or whether we try not to. We have control over that. We all know the nhs has finite resources. We all have brains in our heads. We really need to stop blaming other people for what we are doing to eachother. Nobody is forcing us to do that. | |||
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"Except the nightingales where purely for show. There was never any way that they could be staffed safely, if at all. "And you know this how? Why don't you try and offer a solution rather than just throwing baseless accusations around.? | |||
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"Except the nightingales where purely for show. There was never any way that they could be staffed safely, if at all.
And you know this how? Why don't you try and offer a solution rather than just throwing baseless accusations around.? "I’m not convinced it’s a baseless accusation to be honest. They struggle to recruit enough people into the NHS as it is - is it wild to suggest that the government built the nightingales as a knee jerk reaction to the virus without considering the actual logistics of staffing them? | |||
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"If only the NHS wasnt vastly underfunded. Assume for a moment you're right. " Assume? I don't think I need to assume that. | |||
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"Except the nightingales where purely for show. There was never any way that they could be staffed safely, if at all.
And you know this how? Why don't you try and offer a solution rather than just throwing baseless accusations around.? "The solution is there are not enough staff in the NHS, that's pre covid fact.. They were possibly a good idea from a let's look proactive like China and it's a bit of a morale boost etc to the public but there never was enough people to staff them in April and there's less now.. | |||
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"If only the NHS wasnt vastly underfunded. Assume for a moment you're right. Assume? I don't think I need to assume that." 8 years of austerity had a massive impact..there can be little doubt about that.We were massively under prepared. As for people being solely responsible..I don't get why cases are rocketing..when 90%of the country is in lockdown. | |||
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"A government that was incompetent and inept in its ability to handle this disaster. Every decision was made 3-4 weeks too late, airports and ports still open, people still travelling out with their home town/location. But hey - Schools are extremely safe! " As are supermarkets. | |||
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"If only the NHS wasnt vastly underfunded. Assume for a moment you're right. Assume? I don't think I need to assume that. 8 years of austerity had a massive impact..there can be little doubt about that.We were massively under prepared. As for people being solely responsible..I don't get why cases are rocketing..when 90%of the country is in lockdown." Even though we are in lockdown and have now moved to tier 4 people aren’t doing what they should and staying at home, I work in food retail and if someone can tell me why 6 people need to go into a shop to buy 2 pasties? Even working today with reduced trading hours we still took as much as we would before any lockdown!! People sitting around the town centre drinking coffee on benches, queuing to get into the food hall in M & S and most retailers having to have staff on the front doors for crowd control now that’s why it’s rising | |||
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"Except the nightingales where purely for show. There was never any way that they could be staffed safely, if at all.
And you know this how? Why don't you try and offer a solution rather than just throwing baseless accusations around.?
I’m not convinced it’s a baseless accusation to be honest. They struggle to recruit enough people into the NHS as it is - is it wild to suggest that the government built the nightingales as a knee jerk reaction to the virus without considering the actual logistics of staffing them? "The Nightingale hospitals are on 72hr readiness, how they will be used has been a topic of discussion since they started, but staffing is an issue part of the intention was for retired or staff who had left the service to return and be fast tracked to get their pins back, that surge hasn’t happens, it shouldn’t have been a surprise that people who have left largely because of poor pay and T&C’s left for a reason and don’t want to come back, I understand that the nightingales will come on stream if needed but will effectively be for basic support though to recover for less complex cases or palliative. In the last week we have seen at my works a rise of around 50 inpatients so well over another ward and a half, when you think that most hospitals add another winter pressures ward into service for winter and those people are also being treated and the issue with hospital acquired Covid it all adds up to not a great time. It would be nice if the keyboard warriors and arsehole press realised what life is actually like in a hospital right now, instead of point scoring. | |||
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"Lack of staff rather beds, perhaps many staff have decided to self isolate with their family over the Christmas/New Year period." No there is just not the staff. The care industry care about each other and work as teams you don't just let them down.. Thanks from me to all in the NHS and care industry. Hope you get some time out x | |||
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"If only the NHS wasnt vastly underfunded. Assume for a moment you're right. Assume? I don't think I need to assume that. 8 years of austerity had a massive impact..there can be little doubt about that.We were massively under prepared. As for people being solely responsible..I don't get why cases are rocketing..when 90%of the country is in lockdown. Even though we are in lockdown and have now moved to tier 4 people aren’t doing what they should and staying at home, I work in food retail and if someone can tell me why 6 people need to go into a shop to buy 2 pasties? Even working today with reduced trading hours we still took as much as we would before any lockdown!! People sitting around the town centre drinking coffee on benches, queuing to get into the food hall in M & S and most retailers having to have staff on the front doors for crowd control now that’s why it’s rising" | |||
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"If only the NHS wasnt vastly underfunded. Assume for a moment you're right. Assume? I don't think I need to assume that. 8 years of austerity had a massive impact..there can be little doubt about that.We were massively under prepared. As for people being solely responsible..I don't get why cases are rocketing..when 90%of the country is in lockdown." Cos they went 14 days ago. Like German measles once the spots are out it's to late. It will take 14 to 28 days for the lockdown to have an impact. | |||
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"Meanwhile it seems there's plenty of space at Gloucester Royal..... A woman in the UK was arrested by police after she filmed a video inside an almost completely empty hospital and posted it online, the daily mail calls her an anti lockdown protester who's friends with Jeremy Corbyn's brother you know to make her look like a nut case. Don't get me wrong the virus is real very real I know this first hand but this has to be explained. I'm sure the experts on here will be say people are scared to go or the doctors and nurses are treating the covid patients, who knows they probably are. Interesting tho How are your grazed knuckles - Sir? Might they need attention? Good luck with that. Also, may I educationally superior to you in every way, further, more subject savvy suggest. Please know when the Daily Fail are playing you. (too much to ask, I know) That idiot shooting Covid abandoned corridors (as people work in busy wards, (unfilmed), should either go to a covid ward (but the coward was not plucky enough to do so), go back to school, (but they would not let her attend - as she's a loose cannon). Or.. we all educate and vaccine against this utter bull coming from her cloud (they need help, not jail). Yourself keyboard warrior. Engage Brain before you engage mouth / Keyboard. Go to bed, stay away from any other humans. Consider help as an unaware simpleton, inform self before posting (d*unk again)? Nah, thought not, moderator, I'm blocking this rubbish (simpleton) that should not be able to be aired here, spouting consequential nonsense. Please might you look at your policy of misinformation (as twitter do with trump?). Thank you, I'll follow up in the New Year. " Educationally superior? Not with that grammar. Just saying. Not saying either way but if you're having a go at someone for their grammar, please ensure yours is unapproachable. Just saying | |||
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"Meanwhile it seems there's plenty of space at Gloucester Royal..... A woman in the UK was arrested by police after she filmed a video inside an almost completely empty hospital and posted it online, the daily mail calls her an anti lockdown protester who's friends with Jeremy Corbyn's brother you know to make her look like a nut case. Don't get me wrong the virus is real very real I know this first hand but this has to be explained. I'm sure the experts on here will be say people are scared to go or the doctors and nurses are treating the covid patients, who knows they probably are. Interesting tho It would appear she filmed in the outpatients and main atrium area and adjoining corridors. On a Sunday. Even before Covid, you wouldn't find many people in outpatients on a Sunday. Hospitals are closed to all visitors, almost all outpatient clinics are suspended or being run online/over the phone and she wonders why the hospital seemed empty? She presumably didn't gain access to an actual treatment ward, which is where she'd have found the patients and staff. Covid patients have this nasty habit of staying put in their bed for long periods, rather than roaming the corridors. Apparently she was challenged by staff that she came across for not wearing a mask - she (falsely) claimed exemption. What a paragon of investigate journalism she is... Cheers I was wondering but that would make sense, TBF in my defense I only read one article.
But this is the problem. It took me two minutes to read around and find that info. The post you've written towards the top of the thread will catch the attention of the anti-Covid crowd, who won't bother scrolling down for any replies and who will seize upon the post as fuel for the fire of their conspiracy. I would suggest reading a bit more about something like that before you decide to post. Apparently innocuous posts can be dangerous - remember that anyone who is not a Fab member can read forum posts (which don't have poster's names included), so your post will come up when Gloucester is searched for (esp. alongside other keywords).
Didn't know that thanks for the heads up, however I've just watched the video again and it can not of been as you suggested before covid and Sunday because in the video she shows that it's Monday and she mentions tier 3. I'm sure that there's definitely more to it than is being led on.
I'm not which post you're referring too at the top of the post. But cheers anyway
1) I said EVEN BEFORE Covid. Aka, in the era before Covid became an issue, you wouldn't find anyone in outpatients on a Sunday. How is that so hard to read?
2) She filmed on a Sunday night and posted the video on Monday morning.
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"And despite the opening post, it's mere seconds for people to pop along and blame the government. And lo and behold it's the usual suspects. People. It's the people who are spreading this, while the government desperately adapt the guidance due to the selfish, ignorant actions of the absolute fuckwits who ignore everything they're told to do. And meanwhile our wonderful NHS desperately try to keep ahead of the need. Every government of any party, in every country in the world has a population full of people saying "This government fucked it up, this government are useless, blah blah blah" When the truth is, they're all trying to deal with a global pandemic for which no-one has any experience of, for which there's no cure, for which we're learning something new every day. Meanwhile, people keep ignoring the advice, the statistics and the guidelines, whilst moaning about how the Government are screwing it up, cases are rising and the restrictions are tightening. People and their stinking, selfish, stupid, ignorant attitudes. Them's the problem. Love you Charli, you and your colleagues are absolutely, totally and completely, fucking superstars. E Totally agree The government is fighting a losing battle if the minority keep whining about their civil liberties beijg taken away, and doing as they damn well please I’m not saying that people aren’t to blame - but the government are not blameless by any stretch of the imagination. " That's obvious in hindsight | |||
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"A government that was incompetent and inept in its ability to handle this disaster. Every decision was made 3-4 weeks too late, airports and ports still open, people still travelling out with their home town/location. But hey - Schools are extremely safe! As are supermarkets. " As are pubs. They're closed | |||
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"Except the nightingales where purely for show. There was never any way that they could be staffed safely, if at all.
And you know this how? Why don't you try and offer a solution rather than just throwing baseless accusations around.? "Maybe do your homework before you comment then. Any staff expected to transfer a patient was then expected to stay with them there. Also the legal levels of care where completely thrown out the window.
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"If only the NHS wasnt vastly underfunded. Assume for a moment you're right. Assume? I don't think I need to assume that. 8 years of austerity had a massive impact..there can be little doubt about that.We were massively under prepared. As for people being solely responsible..I don't get why cases are rocketing..when 90%of the country is in lockdown. Even though we are in lockdown and have now moved to tier 4 people aren’t doing what they should and staying at home, I work in food retail and if someone can tell me why 6 people need to go into a shop to buy 2 pasties? Even working today with reduced trading hours we still took as much as we would before any lockdown!! People sitting around the town centre drinking coffee on benches, queuing to get into the food hall in M & S and most retailers having to have staff on the front doors for crowd control now that’s why it’s rising I'll.be honest I rarely see anyone without a mask in a shop and never in big groups You’re not in Burnley though where it’s under their chin, in their hand, or even better they’re exempt cos they’ve got asthma, it’s an absolute joke and on the news every damn night as cases just keep rising, I’ll be mass testing within 2 weeks so we’ll see an even bigger increase in cases" True but most places only have 5 fingers. If they've got asthma, they could well be exempt plus a lot of exemptions are unseen | |||
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"If only the NHS wasnt vastly underfunded. Assume for a moment you're right. Assume? I don't think I need to assume that. 8 years of austerity had a massive impact..there can be little doubt about that.We were massively under prepared. As for people being solely responsible..I don't get why cases are rocketing..when 90%of the country is in lockdown. Even though we are in lockdown and have now moved to tier 4 people aren’t doing what they should and staying at home, I work in food retail and if someone can tell me why 6 people need to go into a shop to buy 2 pasties? Even working today with reduced trading hours we still took as much as we would before any lockdown!! People sitting around the town centre drinking coffee on benches, queuing to get into the food hall in M & S and most retailers having to have staff on the front doors for crowd control now that’s why it’s rising I'll.be honest I rarely see anyone without a mask in a shop and never in big groups You’re not in Burnley though where it’s under their chin, in their hand, or even better they’re exempt cos they’ve got asthma, it’s an absolute joke and on the news every damn night as cases just keep rising, I’ll be mass testing within 2 weeks so we’ll see an even bigger increase in cases True but most places only have 5 fingers. If they've got asthma, they could well be exempt plus a lot of exemptions are unseen" My sons autistic so doesn’t have to wear a mask but he insists on wearing 1 to protect him and me and most of the 1st who say they’ve asthma are students who just don’t want to wear them | |||
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"Except the nightingales where purely for show. There was never any way that they could be staffed safely, if at all.
And you know this how? Why don't you try and offer a solution rather than just throwing baseless accusations around.?
I’m not convinced it’s a baseless accusation to be honest. They struggle to recruit enough people into the NHS as it is - is it wild to suggest that the government built the nightingales as a knee jerk reaction to the virus without considering the actual logistics of staffing them? "Well we shall see over the coming days and weeks who is correct as they were there as a contingency, but weren't needed as yet, as hospital capacity wasn't exceeded, however, it is now. | |||
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"And despite the opening post, it's mere seconds for people to pop along and blame the government. And lo and behold it's the usual suspects. People. It's the people who are spreading this, while the government desperately adapt the guidance due to the selfish, ignorant actions of the absolute fuckwits who ignore everything they're told to do. And meanwhile our wonderful NHS desperately try to keep ahead of the need. Every government of any party, in every country in the world has a population full of people saying "This government fucked it up, this government are useless, blah blah blah" When the truth is, they're all trying to deal with a global pandemic for which no-one has any experience of, for which there's no cure, for which we're learning something new every day. Meanwhile, people keep ignoring the advice, the statistics and the guidelines, whilst moaning about how the Government are screwing it up, cases are rising and the restrictions are tightening. People and their stinking, selfish, stupid, ignorant attitudes. Them's the problem. Love you Charli, you and your colleagues are absolutely, totally and completely, fucking superstars. E Totally agree The government is fighting a losing battle if the minority keep whining about their civil liberties beijg taken away, and doing as they damn well please I’m not saying that people aren’t to blame - but the government are not blameless by any stretch of the imagination. That's obvious in hindsight " What is obvious in hindsight? That the government aren’t blameless? Can you explain your point please? | |||
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"If only the NHS wasnt vastly underfunded. Assume for a moment you're right. Assume? I don't think I need to assume that. 8 years of austerity had a massive impact..there can be little doubt about that.We were massively under prepared. As for people being solely responsible..I don't get why cases are rocketing..when 90%of the country is in lockdown." I'd suggest every country in the world was massively unprepared for this, regardless of whether their healthcare was underfunded or not. 90% of the country is supposed to be in lockdown. 100% of the country isn't observing lockdown, social distancing, wearing masks, or even washing their bloody hands. What don't you get about it? The government is responsible for imposing the lockdown and guideance. We the people are responsible for not following the guidelines. To constantly blame the government when it's the people who are not following the rules is bloody stupid. You're a Labour man, so let's swap it around. The Labour party are in power, the conservatives are in opposition. The country is in exactly the same position we are in today. How many of your posts would be anti labour? Back to the OP, bravo the NHS, who are doing their very best in the face of huge adversity. E | |||
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"And despite the opening post, it's mere seconds for people to pop along and blame the government. And lo and behold it's the usual suspects. People. It's the people who are spreading this, while the government desperately adapt the guidance due to the selfish, ignorant actions of the absolute fuckwits who ignore everything they're told to do. And meanwhile our wonderful NHS desperately try to keep ahead of the need. Every government of any party, in every country in the world has a population full of people saying "This government fucked it up, this government are useless, blah blah blah" When the truth is, they're all trying to deal with a global pandemic for which no-one has any experience of, for which there's no cure, for which we're learning something new every day. Meanwhile, people keep ignoring the advice, the statistics and the guidelines, whilst moaning about how the Government are screwing it up, cases are rising and the restrictions are tightening. People and their stinking, selfish, stupid, ignorant attitudes. Them's the problem. Love you Charli, you and your colleagues are absolutely, totally and completely, fucking superstars. E Totally agree The government is fighting a losing battle if the minority keep whining about their civil liberties beijg taken away, and doing as they damn well please I’m not saying that people aren’t to blame - but the government are not blameless by any stretch of the imagination. The government tell you to stay at home. You go out. Who is to blame? E" The government tell you to stay at home. Dominic Cummings checks his eyesight. The government tell you to stay at home. The people ignore the government. Simple point. If the government want people to obey by the rules they need to command the respect of the people. | |||
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"Lack of staff rather beds, perhaps many staff have decided to self isolate with their family over the Christmas/New Year period." I have seen a number of replies to this comment, mostly using words like ‘vile’ and ‘nasty.’ When the hell did people start thinking it is okay to demonise people for having a contradictory opinion? That’s a slippery slope, and in its extremes throughout recent history, has killed many, many more people than Covid has. This poster’s point of view is extremely cynical, but valid. Our local hospital has had a huge downturn in staff between Christmas and New Year, inconsistent with local infection rates, keeping in mind that when we talk about ‘the NHS’ it is not just front line nurses. There are janitors, office workers, supply chain managers, logistics personnel, administrators. These people are human, and as with any walk of life some may use the circumstances to their advantage. As another example, one of our nearby neighbours, who is a carer in the NHS, and has been to and from work, had her busy house party interrupted by police last night, who I’m sure could have been attending more important things. Before anybody wants to personally attack me for this view, and I’m a big girl (literally) so I can take it, understand that my mum is a senior nurse in the NHS and contracted Covid at work from a patient and almost died this year. My 2 aunts are both senior and mid level midwives. My mother in law is a frontline care worker who also contracted Covid, and has had to self isolate, unpaid, many times, and we have friends in every emergency service. Even my dad, who is frail, has volunteered to Marshall parking at a vaccine centre. They are all exhausted. As are many. I am human. I read Candi’s post about Manchester yesterday, and cried (like I suspected many did). I thank all those people from the bottom of my heart for doing the things that they are. Does that mean that everybody in the NHS is a Saint? Sadly, no it doesn’t; there will always be a bad minority as with all walks of life, and those who are affected by them, who might think differently to you. Give each other a break x | |||
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"At least the government spent 100s of thousands of pounds on a fucking pointless fireworks display at midnight for people to watch on tv. Rather than use the money on extra nurses or preparing vaccines or anything actually useful. Cunts" The Mayor of London organises the NY celebrations in London, not the Goverment! | |||
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"And despite the opening post, it's mere seconds for people to pop along and blame the government. And lo and behold it's the usual suspects. People. It's the people who are spreading this, while the government desperately adapt the guidance due to the selfish, ignorant actions of the absolute fuckwits who ignore everything they're told to do. And meanwhile our wonderful NHS desperately try to keep ahead of the need. Every government of any party, in every country in the world has a population full of people saying "This government fucked it up, this government are useless, blah blah blah" When the truth is, they're all trying to deal with a global pandemic for which no-one has any experience of, for which there's no cure, for which we're learning something new every day. Meanwhile, people keep ignoring the advice, the statistics and the guidelines, whilst moaning about how the Government are screwing it up, cases are rising and the restrictions are tightening. People and their stinking, selfish, stupid, ignorant attitudes. Them's the problem. Love you Charli, you and your colleagues are absolutely, totally and completely, fucking superstars. E Totally agree The government is fighting a losing battle if the minority keep whining about their civil liberties beijg taken away, and doing as they damn well please I’m not saying that people aren’t to blame - but the government are not blameless by any stretch of the imagination. The government tell you to stay at home. You go out. Who is to blame? E The government tell you to stay at home. Dominic Cummings checks his eyesight. The government tell you to stay at home. The people ignore the government. Simple point. If the government want people to obey by the rules they need to command the respect of the people. " No. No. No. So much no. It's not about respecting the government it's about respecting the rules. It's. Really. Really. Simple. E | |||
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"At least the government spent 100s of thousands of pounds on a fucking pointless fireworks display at midnight for people to watch on tv. Rather than use the money on extra nurses or preparing vaccines or anything actually useful. Cunts The Mayor of London organises the NY celebrations in London, not the Goverment! " What he ^^^ said. E | |||
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"Lack of staff rather beds, perhaps many staff have decided to self isolate with their family over the Christmas/New Year period. I have seen a number of replies to this comment, mostly using words like ‘vile’ and ‘nasty.’ When the hell did people start thinking it is okay to demonise people for having a contradictory opinion? That’s a slippery slope, and in its extremes throughout recent history, has killed many, many more people than Covid has. This poster’s point of view is extremely cynical, but valid. Our local hospital has had a huge downturn in staff between Christmas and New Year, inconsistent with local infection rates, keeping in mind that when we talk about ‘the NHS’ it is not just front line nurses. There are janitors, office workers, supply chain managers, logistics personnel, administrators. These people are human, and as with any walk of life some may use the circumstances to their advantage. As another example, one of our nearby neighbours, who is a carer in the NHS, and has been to and from work, had her busy house party interrupted by police last night, who I’m sure could have been attending more important things. Before anybody wants to personally attack me for this view, and I’m a big girl (literally) so I can take it, understand that my mum is a senior nurse in the NHS and contracted Covid at work from a patient and almost died this year. My 2 aunts are both senior and mid level midwives. My mother in law is a frontline care worker who also contracted Covid, and has had to self isolate, unpaid, many times, and we have friends in every emergency service. Even my dad, who is frail, has volunteered to Marshall parking at a vaccine centre. They are all exhausted. As are many. I am human. I read Candi’s post about Manchester yesterday, and cried (like I suspected many did). I thank all those people from the bottom of my heart for doing the things that they are. Does that mean that everybody in the NHS is a Saint? Sadly, no it doesn’t; there will always be a bad minority as with all walks of life, and those who are affected by them, who might think differently to you. Give each other a break x" The poster you're defending has been a persistent covid denier since the outbreak began. Masks, lockdowns, testing......they have questioned them all. They have consistently offered what I can only call 'alternative facts' with regard to coronavirus. This latest theory he has offered is just another attempt to diminish the gravity of the current situation. | |||
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"The poster you're defending has been a persistent covid denier since the outbreak began. Masks, lockdowns, testing......they have questioned them all. They have consistently offered what I can only call 'alternative facts' with regard to coronavirus. This latest theory he has offered is just another attempt to diminish the gravity of the current situation." If that’s true, which I don’t know, I would either attempt to engage with and educate them or ignore/report them for being deliberately inflammatory. People who dismiss and/or become abusive in response don’t look any better in that situation. | |||
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"I'm not sure on the logistics or how it would work but would the army not step in if hospitals are so full most of the army Have a decent level of first aid so could assist with very very basic medical needs but there is also a large number of highly skilled medics who could take the strain of the nhs and at least give basic care in these nightingale hospitals or even there own military hospitals." they are already doing a lot behind the scenes but like most, they are under resourced and lack numbers | |||
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"And despite the opening post, it's mere seconds for people to pop along and blame the government. And lo and behold it's the usual suspects. People. It's the people who are spreading this, while the government desperately adapt the guidance due to the selfish, ignorant actions of the absolute fuckwits who ignore everything they're told to do. And meanwhile our wonderful NHS desperately try to keep ahead of the need. Every government of any party, in every country in the world has a population full of people saying "This government fucked it up, this government are useless, blah blah blah" When the truth is, they're all trying to deal with a global pandemic for which no-one has any experience of, for which there's no cure, for which we're learning something new every day. Meanwhile, people keep ignoring the advice, the statistics and the guidelines, whilst moaning about how the Government are screwing it up, cases are rising and the restrictions are tightening. People and their stinking, selfish, stupid, ignorant attitudes. Them's the problem. Love you Charli, you and your colleagues are absolutely, totally and completely, fucking superstars. E Totally agree The government is fighting a losing battle if the minority keep whining about their civil liberties beijg taken away, and doing as they damn well please I’m not saying that people aren’t to blame - but the government are not blameless by any stretch of the imagination. The government tell you to stay at home. You go out. Who is to blame? E The government tell you to stay at home. Dominic Cummings checks his eyesight. The government tell you to stay at home. The people ignore the government. Simple point. If the government want people to obey by the rules they need to command the respect of the people. No. No. No. So much no. It's not about respecting the government it's about respecting the rules. It's. Really. Really. Simple. E" It is too simplistic a view. It is not solely the general publics fault for the situation we are in. It’s nonsensical. The government failures which have led to this situation have been widely reported on. | |||
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"Lack of staff rather beds, perhaps many staff have decided to self isolate with their family over the Christmas/New Year period." Great support for all of us NHS staff there - what a crass statement to make! In actual fact those off in isolation are are prob off because of others that don't follow guidance not because they choose too ( & the guilt because you're not there with your colleagues is massive) The rest of us then plug the staffing gaps which is why we are literally on our knees - 10 months in & we continue to fight for our fellow humans. We won't give up - just a shame that people like you never fought in the first place | |||
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"At least the government spent 100s of thousands of pounds on a fucking pointless fireworks display at midnight for people to watch on tv. Rather than use the money on extra nurses or preparing vaccines or anything actually useful. Cunts" As someone already said, the Mayor organises the NY fireworks and the parade, neither of which has happened this year........ | |||
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"Lack of staff rather beds, perhaps many staff have decided to self isolate with their family over the Christmas/New Year period. Great support for all of us NHS staff there - what a crass statement to make! In actual fact those off in isolation are are prob off because of others that don't follow guidance not because they choose too ( & the guilt because you're not there with your colleagues is massive) The rest of us then plug the staffing gaps which is why we are literally on our knees - 10 months in & we continue to fight for our fellow humans. We won't give up - just a shame that people like you never fought in the first place " | |||
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"Someone drove round colchester hospital as well ,A/E was empty, no ambulances queuing back to back and even the corridors were empty..." Fantastic a full A&E is the last thing that anyone wants, at least at the start of all this the time wasters and regulars kept away, but they soon started coming back sadly. At the moment most hospitals look like a ghost town, movements around the sites should be limited and the activities are on the wards. | |||
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"And despite the opening post, it's mere seconds for people to pop along and blame the government. And lo and behold it's the usual suspects. People. It's the people who are spreading this, while the government desperately adapt the guidance due to the selfish, ignorant actions of the absolute fuckwits who ignore everything they're told to do. And meanwhile our wonderful NHS desperately try to keep ahead of the need. Every government of any party, in every country in the world has a population full of people saying "This government fucked it up, this government are useless, blah blah blah" When the truth is, they're all trying to deal with a global pandemic for which no-one has any experience of, for which there's no cure, for which we're learning something new every day. Meanwhile, people keep ignoring the advice, the statistics and the guidelines, whilst moaning about how the Government are screwing it up, cases are rising and the restrictions are tightening. People and their stinking, selfish, stupid, ignorant attitudes. Them's the problem. Love you Charli, you and your colleagues are absolutely, totally and completely, fucking superstars. E Totally agree The government is fighting a losing battle if the minority keep whining about their civil liberties beijg taken away, and doing as they damn well please I’m not saying that people aren’t to blame - but the government are not blameless by any stretch of the imagination. The government tell you to stay at home. You go out. Who is to blame? E The government tell you to stay at home. Dominic Cummings checks his eyesight. The government tell you to stay at home. The people ignore the government. Simple point. If the government want people to obey by the rules they need to command the respect of the people. No. No. No. So much no. It's not about respecting the government it's about respecting the rules. It's. Really. Really. Simple. E It is too simplistic a view. It is not solely the general publics fault for the situation we are in. It’s nonsensical. The government failures which have led to this situation have been widely reported on. " I'll ask the question again; The government tell you to stay at home. You go out. Who is to blame? Because it really really is that simple. E | |||
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"And despite the opening post, it's mere seconds for people to pop along and blame the government. And lo and behold it's the usual suspects. People. It's the people who are spreading this, while the government desperately adapt the guidance due to the selfish, ignorant actions of the absolute fuckwits who ignore everything they're told to do. And meanwhile our wonderful NHS desperately try to keep ahead of the need. Every government of any party, in every country in the world has a population full of people saying "This government fucked it up, this government are useless, blah blah blah" When the truth is, they're all trying to deal with a global pandemic for which no-one has any experience of, for which there's no cure, for which we're learning something new every day. Meanwhile, people keep ignoring the advice, the statistics and the guidelines, whilst moaning about how the Government are screwing it up, cases are rising and the restrictions are tightening. People and their stinking, selfish, stupid, ignorant attitudes. Them's the problem. Love you Charli, you and your colleagues are absolutely, totally and completely, fucking superstars. E " Were it so clear cut.... So many issues raised in this thread. It is complicated, but I'm afraid the Government are ultimately responsible. Whichever way you read it, the NHS, year in year out reaches breaking point during this time of year. Maybe the solution in the future is to have a 'Flu' lockdown to try and reduce the average number of Flu deaths (around 15000 year)? This is of course on a different scale. The government has now been spending money on an unprecedented scale for some time. We have Nightingale hospitals that have been erected and then taken down again in some cases. Have we ever had enough staff to man these? And who's fault is it that Covid is spreading so rapidly? Is it really that simple to blame everyone else? Should I be going to work on Monday. I'm self employed. Not had any financial support through the pandemic. Can't work from home. Not had the 'government' paying me 80% to sit around on furlough. No business grants, no loans. Still have rent to pay, bills to pay and rates for council services which are not being provided in many cases. What is your advice. Should I go to work on Monday? It seems we are only capable of seeing extremes on either sides of the argument at times. Either way, it does seem to me that ultimately it is government that dictates policy. I don't for a moment think it's all easy decisions, but it does seem this government have blundered from one positiin to another with very little direction, the only real consideration being public opinion, and in the blind hope that someone else (ostensibly the Scientists, NHS and Care workers) will dig them out. Lets hope that happens soon for all our sakes. | |||
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"Except the nightingales where purely for show. There was never any way that they could be staffed safely, if at all.
And you know this how? Why don't you try and offer a solution rather than just throwing baseless accusations around.?
Maybe do your homework before you comment then.
Any staff expected to transfer a patient was then expected to stay with them there.
Also the legal levels of care where completely thrown out the window.
"As someone who started off working his pandemic in the Manchester Nightingale I can assure you that is completely false. We where under staffed but had dedicated staff, nobody transferring patients was told to stay with their patient. We completed transfer orders and took over their care. We where also under the charge of University of Manchester NHS trust and as such where audited to the same levels as the trust. We had to comply with every regulation any trust in the U.K. operates. The entire reason for such limited wards in use across the nightingale network was due to failing to meet legal criteria to have more open. | |||
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"If only the NHS wasnt vastly underfunded. Assume for a moment you're right. Assume? I don't think I need to assume that. 8 years of austerity had a massive impact..there can be little doubt about that.We were massively under prepared. As for people being solely responsible..I don't get why cases are rocketing..when 90%of the country is in lockdown. I'd suggest every country in the world was massively unprepared for this, regardless of whether their healthcare was underfunded or not. 90% of the country is supposed to be in lockdown. 100% of the country isn't observing lockdown, social distancing, wearing masks, or even washing their bloody hands. What don't you get about it? The government is responsible for imposing the lockdown and guideance. We the people are responsible for not following the guidelines. To constantly blame the government when it's the people who are not following the rules is bloody stupid. You're a Labour man, so let's swap it around. The Labour party are in power, the conservatives are in opposition. The country is in exactly the same position we are in today. How many of your posts would be anti labour? Back to the OP, bravo the NHS, who are doing their very best in the face of huge adversity. E " If the labour party had imposed 8 years of austerity I'd say exactly the same thing. Quite how you cut services to the bone and then be surprised when we struggle to cope,is quite bewildering. People take responsibility for their own actions,and I dont see anyone blaming the gmnt completely, but if anyone thinks this whole mess has been handled well,they need their heads testing. There were teachers on the radio yesterday saying the instructions they were getting were contradictory and unfeasible. And other countries have handled it much better than us. That's a fact. | |||
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"Someone drove round colchester hospital as well ,A/E was empty, no ambulances queuing back to back and even the corridors were empty..." I love posts like this... who is someone? What insight do they have into changes to hospital policy during this pandemic? What exactly does drive around entail? We currently have a practically empty atrium in our trust... the seating area is limited, the Costa and subway are closed as they are effectively eat in establishments. Reception is replaced with a touchscreen reception which directs patients straight to their department to limit infection risk. Our icu now occupies 6 times it’s usual space due to patient numbers but also the additional distance needed between beds to try to limit viral load. We avoid bringing covid patients through the usual ambulance drop off for a number of reasons: the patient requires the entire team in hard PPE so it saves the ED team from having to Don, they will have to sanitised the interior post drop so we don’t want them blocking the bay. If you want a true picture of a covid hospital, you need to come inside the red zone... if you aren’t in there, you might as well be doing football commentary from outside the stadium. | |||
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"My mum was bluelighted to hospital this morning by a crew who were under huge stress. This is the second time in two weeks. Her experience has been awful due to the conditions in the hospital and the stresses the staff are working under. When she was in just before Christmas the only place they could find to put her was on a reclining chair in a side room. It saddens me to see people say that hospitals are empty." xx | |||
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"My mum was bluelighted to hospital this morning by a crew who were under huge stress. This is the second time in two weeks. Her experience has been awful due to the conditions in the hospital and the stresses the staff are working under. When she was in just before Christmas the only place they could find to put her was on a reclining chair in a side room. It saddens me to see people say that hospitals are empty." I’m sorry to hear that, I really feel for a lot of patients and their families currently, on some many levels it’s tremendously difficult. I hope she’s ok X | |||
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"If only the NHS wasnt vastly underfunded. Assume for a moment you're right. Assume? I don't think I need to assume that. Ooh I don’t know, our local hospital is still advertising for a “social media manager” lol. " Well given the amount of bullshit that gets posted in social media as 'FACT', I'm not in the least bit surprised that Trusts are investing in staff to combat it. | |||
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"My mum was bluelighted to hospital this morning by a crew who were under huge stress. This is the second time in two weeks. Her experience has been awful due to the conditions in the hospital and the stresses the staff are working under. When she was in just before Christmas the only place they could find to put her was on a reclining chair in a side room. It saddens me to see people say that hospitals are empty. xx"Xx | |||
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"My mum was bluelighted to hospital this morning by a crew who were under huge stress. This is the second time in two weeks. Her experience has been awful due to the conditions in the hospital and the stresses the staff are working under. When she was in just before Christmas the only place they could find to put her was on a reclining chair in a side room. It saddens me to see people say that hospitals are empty. I’m sorry to hear that, I really feel for a lot of patients and their families currently, on some many levels it’s tremendously difficult. I hope she’s ok X" Thank you | |||
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"Lack of staff rather beds, perhaps many staff have decided to self isolate with their family over the Christmas/New Year period." People like you are the reason the country is in such a state. There is always an excuse to blame the people at the front line. Rather than those responsible for making this mess arise. | |||
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"Lack of staff rather beds, perhaps many staff have decided to self isolate with their family over the Christmas/New Year period. People like you are the reason the country is in such a state. There is always an excuse to blame the people at the front line. Rather than those responsible for making this mess arise. " Just read that police in London broke up an illegal rave with hundreds of people in attendance !!! WTAF is wrong with people ??? | |||
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"My mum was bluelighted to hospital this morning by a crew who were under huge stress. This is the second time in two weeks. Her experience has been awful due to the conditions in the hospital and the stresses the staff are working under. When she was in just before Christmas the only place they could find to put her was on a reclining chair in a side room. It saddens me to see people say that hospitals are empty." Hope your mum is ok Nicecouple  | |||
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"If only the NHS wasnt vastly underfunded. Assume for a moment you're right. Assume? I don't think I need to assume that. 8 years of austerity had a massive impact..there can be little doubt about that.We were massively under prepared. As for people being solely responsible..I don't get why cases are rocketing..when 90%of the country is in lockdown. Even though we are in lockdown and have now moved to tier 4 people aren’t doing what they should and staying at home, I work in food retail and if someone can tell me why 6 people need to go into a shop to buy 2 pasties? Even working today with reduced trading hours we still took as much as we would before any lockdown!! People sitting around the town centre drinking coffee on benches, queuing to get into the food hall in M & S and most retailers having to have staff on the front doors for crowd control now that’s why it’s rising I'll.be honest I rarely see anyone without a mask in a shop and never in big groups You’re not in Burnley though where it’s under their chin, in their hand, or even better they’re exempt cos they’ve got asthma, it’s an absolute joke and on the news every damn night as cases just keep rising, I’ll be mass testing within 2 weeks so we’ll see an even bigger increase in cases True but most places only have 5 fingers. If they've got asthma, they could well be exempt plus a lot of exemptions are unseen If someone considers themselves to be exempt from wearing a mask as they have a respiratory disease, then surely, that is even more of a reason to wear one so they don't get any extra complications ??? and anyway ... those ridiculous landyards with flowers on that say you're exempt ... they're 3 quid each on ebay .... anyone can buy one " Once upon a time, they were not ridiculous. They were used by people with hidden disabilities so they could be prioritised at places like airport security. For example, a child with autism who might find waiting in a long queue difficult. They were very useful for things like that. Now they've been utterly devalued by the wankers who buy/sell them on eBay. | |||
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"My mum was bluelighted to hospital this morning by a crew who were under huge stress. This is the second time in two weeks. Her experience has been awful due to the conditions in the hospital and the stresses the staff are working under. When she was in just before Christmas the only place they could find to put her was on a reclining chair in a side room. It saddens me to see people say that hospitals are empty." Fingers crossed for you, worrying times.. | |||
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"My mum was bluelighted to hospital this morning by a crew who were under huge stress. This is the second time in two weeks. Her experience has been awful due to the conditions in the hospital and the stresses the staff are working under. When she was in just before Christmas the only place they could find to put her was on a reclining chair in a side room. It saddens me to see people say that hospitals are empty. Hope your mum is ok Nicecouple " thank you | |||
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"My mum was bluelighted to hospital this morning by a crew who were under huge stress. This is the second time in two weeks. Her experience has been awful due to the conditions in the hospital and the stresses the staff are working under. When she was in just before Christmas the only place they could find to put her was on a reclining chair in a side room. It saddens me to see people say that hospitals are empty. Fingers crossed for you, worrying times.." Yes it is. Thank you | |||
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"If only the NHS wasnt vastly underfunded. Assume for a moment you're right. Assume? I don't think I need to assume that. 8 years of austerity had a massive impact..there can be little doubt about that.We were massively under prepared. As for people being solely responsible..I don't get why cases are rocketing..when 90%of the country is in lockdown. Even though we are in lockdown and have now moved to tier 4 people aren’t doing what they should and staying at home, I work in food retail and if someone can tell me why 6 people need to go into a shop to buy 2 pasties? Even working today with reduced trading hours we still took as much as we would before any lockdown!! People sitting around the town centre drinking coffee on benches, queuing to get into the food hall in M & S and most retailers having to have staff on the front doors for crowd control now that’s why it’s rising I'll.be honest I rarely see anyone without a mask in a shop and never in big groups You’re not in Burnley though where it’s under their chin, in their hand, or even better they’re exempt cos they’ve got asthma, it’s an absolute joke and on the news every damn night as cases just keep rising, I’ll be mass testing within 2 weeks so we’ll see an even bigger increase in cases True but most places only have 5 fingers. If they've got asthma, they could well be exempt plus a lot of exemptions are unseen My sons autistic so doesn’t have to wear a mask but he insists on wearing 1 to protect him and me and most of the 1st who say they’ve asthma are students who just don’t want to wear them" But you are aware that the masks don't actually protect anyone from getting it? | |||
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"And despite the opening post, it's mere seconds for people to pop along and blame the government. And lo and behold it's the usual suspects. People. It's the people who are spreading this, while the government desperately adapt the guidance due to the selfish, ignorant actions of the absolute fuckwits who ignore everything they're told to do. And meanwhile our wonderful NHS desperately try to keep ahead of the need. Every government of any party, in every country in the world has a population full of people saying "This government fucked it up, this government are useless, blah blah blah" When the truth is, they're all trying to deal with a global pandemic for which no-one has any experience of, for which there's no cure, for which we're learning something new every day. Meanwhile, people keep ignoring the advice, the statistics and the guidelines, whilst moaning about how the Government are screwing it up, cases are rising and the restrictions are tightening. People and their stinking, selfish, stupid, ignorant attitudes. Them's the problem. Love you Charli, you and your colleagues are absolutely, totally and completely, fucking superstars. E Totally agree The government is fighting a losing battle if the minority keep whining about their civil liberties beijg taken away, and doing as they damn well please I’m not saying that people aren’t to blame - but the government are not blameless by any stretch of the imagination. That's obvious in hindsight What is obvious in hindsight? That the government aren’t blameless? Can you explain your point please? " Nobody can say what they should do without the benefits of hindsight. They were led, in the main by the scientists, so blame them if anything was wrong | |||
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"And despite the opening post, it's mere seconds for people to pop along and blame the government. And lo and behold it's the usual suspects. People. It's the people who are spreading this, while the government desperately adapt the guidance due to the selfish, ignorant actions of the absolute fuckwits who ignore everything they're told to do. And meanwhile our wonderful NHS desperately try to keep ahead of the need. Every government of any party, in every country in the world has a population full of people saying "This government fucked it up, this government are useless, blah blah blah" When the truth is, they're all trying to deal with a global pandemic for which no-one has any experience of, for which there's no cure, for which we're learning something new every day. Meanwhile, people keep ignoring the advice, the statistics and the guidelines, whilst moaning about how the Government are screwing it up, cases are rising and the restrictions are tightening. People and their stinking, selfish, stupid, ignorant attitudes. Them's the problem. Love you Charli, you and your colleagues are absolutely, totally and completely, fucking superstars. E Totally agree The government is fighting a losing battle if the minority keep whining about their civil liberties beijg taken away, and doing as they damn well please I’m not saying that people aren’t to blame - but the government are not blameless by any stretch of the imagination. The government tell you to stay at home. You go out. Who is to blame? E The government tell you to stay at home. Dominic Cummings checks his eyesight. The government tell you to stay at home. The people ignore the government. Simple point. If the government want people to obey by the rules they need to command the respect of the people. " Wow, still dragging that old chestnut up Btw, FYI Cummins has gone. | |||
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"And despite the opening post, it's mere seconds for people to pop along and blame the government. And lo and behold it's the usual suspects. People. It's the people who are spreading this, while the government desperately adapt the guidance due to the selfish, ignorant actions of the absolute fuckwits who ignore everything they're told to do. And meanwhile our wonderful NHS desperately try to keep ahead of the need. Every government of any party, in every country in the world has a population full of people saying "This government fucked it up, this government are useless, blah blah blah" When the truth is, they're all trying to deal with a global pandemic for which no-one has any experience of, for which there's no cure, for which we're learning something new every day. Meanwhile, people keep ignoring the advice, the statistics and the guidelines, whilst moaning about how the Government are screwing it up, cases are rising and the restrictions are tightening. People and their stinking, selfish, stupid, ignorant attitudes. Them's the problem. Love you Charli, you and your colleagues are absolutely, totally and completely, fucking superstars. E Totally agree The government is fighting a losing battle if the minority keep whining about their civil liberties beijg taken away, and doing as they damn well please I’m not saying that people aren’t to blame - but the government are not blameless by any stretch of the imagination. That's obvious in hindsight What is obvious in hindsight? That the government aren’t blameless? Can you explain your point please? Nobody can say what they should do without the benefits of hindsight. They were led, in the main by the scientists, so blame them if anything was wrong " They often ignore the scientists..despite what they say. | |||
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"At least the government spent 100s of thousands of pounds on a fucking pointless fireworks display at midnight for people to watch on tv. Rather than use the money on extra nurses or preparing vaccines or anything actually useful. Cunts The Mayor of London organises the NY celebrations in London, not the Goverment! " So have a go at Khan | |||
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"And despite the opening post, it's mere seconds for people to pop along and blame the government. And lo and behold it's the usual suspects. People. It's the people who are spreading this, while the government desperately adapt the guidance due to the selfish, ignorant actions of the absolute fuckwits who ignore everything they're told to do. And meanwhile our wonderful NHS desperately try to keep ahead of the need. Every government of any party, in every country in the world has a population full of people saying "This government fucked it up, this government are useless, blah blah blah" When the truth is, they're all trying to deal with a global pandemic for which no-one has any experience of, for which there's no cure, for which we're learning something new every day. Meanwhile, people keep ignoring the advice, the statistics and the guidelines, whilst moaning about how the Government are screwing it up, cases are rising and the restrictions are tightening. People and their stinking, selfish, stupid, ignorant attitudes. Them's the problem. Love you Charli, you and your colleagues are absolutely, totally and completely, fucking superstars. E Totally agree The government is fighting a losing battle if the minority keep whining about their civil liberties beijg taken away, and doing as they damn well please I’m not saying that people aren’t to blame - but the government are not blameless by any stretch of the imagination. The government tell you to stay at home. You go out. Who is to blame? E The government tell you to stay at home. Dominic Cummings checks his eyesight. The government tell you to stay at home. The people ignore the government. Simple point. If the government want people to obey by the rules they need to command the respect of the people. Wow, still dragging that old chestnut up Btw, FYI Cummins has gone. " Princess nut nuts is in charge now | |||
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"The poster you're defending has been a persistent covid denier since the outbreak began. Masks, lockdowns, testing......they have questioned them all. They have consistently offered what I can only call 'alternative facts' with regard to coronavirus. This latest theory he has offered is just another attempt to diminish the gravity of the current situation. If that’s true, which I don’t know, I would either attempt to engage with and educate them or ignore/report them for being deliberately inflammatory. People who dismiss and/or become abusive in response don’t look any better in that situation." Well said | |||
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"Sage advised a short firebreak in September, Boris ignored it and we had to have four weeks as the numbers dragged his ears open to the scientific advice.. This has been common throughout, the dithering and unwillingness to take hard decisions in time when needed only to be playing catch up with a virus that naturally thrives in such circumstances.." He was also told 2 weeks before to close it down over Christmas which he blatantly ignored. They take the advice when it suits them. | |||
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"If only the NHS wasnt vastly underfunded. Assume for a moment you're right. Assume? I don't think I need to assume that. 8 years of austerity had a massive impact..there can be little doubt about that.We were massively under prepared. As for people being solely responsible..I don't get why cases are rocketing..when 90%of the country is in lockdown. I'd suggest every country in the world was massively unprepared for this, regardless of whether their healthcare was underfunded or not. 90% of the country is supposed to be in lockdown. 100% of the country isn't observing lockdown, social distancing, wearing masks, or even washing their bloody hands. What don't you get about it? The government is responsible for imposing the lockdown and guideance. We the people are responsible for not following the guidelines. To constantly blame the government when it's the people who are not following the rules is bloody stupid. You're a Labour man, so let's swap it around. The Labour party are in power, the conservatives are in opposition. The country is in exactly the same position we are in today. How many of your posts would be anti labour? Back to the OP, bravo the NHS, who are doing their very best in the face of huge adversity. E If the labour party had imposed 8 years of austerity I'd say exactly the same thing. Quite how you cut services to the bone and then be surprised when we struggle to cope,is quite bewildering. People take responsibility for their own actions,and I dont see anyone blaming the gmnt completely, but if anyone thinks this whole mess has been handled well,they need their heads testing. There were teachers on the radio yesterday saying the instructions they were getting were contradictory and unfeasible. And other countries have handled it much better than us. That's a fact." Oh ok, like which ones? | |||
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"And despite the opening post, it's mere seconds for people to pop along and blame the government. And lo and behold it's the usual suspects. People. It's the people who are spreading this, while the government desperately adapt the guidance due to the selfish, ignorant actions of the absolute fuckwits who ignore everything they're told to do. And meanwhile our wonderful NHS desperately try to keep ahead of the need. Every government of any party, in every country in the world has a population full of people saying "This government fucked it up, this government are useless, blah blah blah" When the truth is, they're all trying to deal with a global pandemic for which no-one has any experience of, for which there's no cure, for which we're learning something new every day. Meanwhile, people keep ignoring the advice, the statistics and the guidelines, whilst moaning about how the Government are screwing it up, cases are rising and the restrictions are tightening. People and their stinking, selfish, stupid, ignorant attitudes. Them's the problem. Love you Charli, you and your colleagues are absolutely, totally and completely, fucking superstars. E Totally agree The government is fighting a losing battle if the minority keep whining about their civil liberties beijg taken away, and doing as they damn well please I’m not saying that people aren’t to blame - but the government are not blameless by any stretch of the imagination. The government tell you to stay at home. You go out. Who is to blame? E The government tell you to stay at home. Dominic Cummings checks his eyesight. The government tell you to stay at home. The people ignore the government. Simple point. If the government want people to obey by the rules they need to command the respect of the people. Wow, still dragging that old chestnut up Btw, FYI Cummins has gone. Princess nut nuts is in charge now" Are you? | |||
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"Sage advised a short firebreak in September, Boris ignored it and we had to have four weeks as the numbers dragged his ears open to the scientific advice.. This has been common throughout, the dithering and unwillingness to take hard decisions in time when needed only to be playing catch up with a virus that naturally thrives in such circumstances.. He was also told 2 weeks before to close it down over Christmas which he blatantly ignored. They take the advice when it suits them." The same as the general public then The government hasn’t spread this virus , the population has by not doing what it’s told aswell | |||
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"And despite the opening post, it's mere seconds for people to pop along and blame the government. And lo and behold it's the usual suspects. People. It's the people who are spreading this, while the government desperately adapt the guidance due to the selfish, ignorant actions of the absolute fuckwits who ignore everything they're told to do. And meanwhile our wonderful NHS desperately try to keep ahead of the need. Every government of any party, in every country in the world has a population full of people saying "This government fucked it up, this government are useless, blah blah blah" When the truth is, they're all trying to deal with a global pandemic for which no-one has any experience of, for which there's no cure, for which we're learning something new every day. Meanwhile, people keep ignoring the advice, the statistics and the guidelines, whilst moaning about how the Government are screwing it up, cases are rising and the restrictions are tightening. People and their stinking, selfish, stupid, ignorant attitudes. Them's the problem. Love you Charli, you and your colleagues are absolutely, totally and completely, fucking superstars. E Totally agree The government is fighting a losing battle if the minority keep whining about their civil liberties beijg taken away, and doing as they damn well please I’m not saying that people aren’t to blame - but the government are not blameless by any stretch of the imagination. The government tell you to stay at home. You go out. Who is to blame? E The government tell you to stay at home. Dominic Cummings checks his eyesight. The government tell you to stay at home. The people ignore the government. Simple point. If the government want people to obey by the rules they need to command the respect of the people. Wow, still dragging that old chestnut up Btw, FYI Cummins has gone. Princess nut nuts is in charge now Are you? " Oooff. | |||
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"Sage advised a short firebreak in September, Boris ignored it and we had to have four weeks as the numbers dragged his ears open to the scientific advice.. This has been common throughout, the dithering and unwillingness to take hard decisions in time when needed only to be playing catch up with a virus that naturally thrives in such circumstances.. He was also told 2 weeks before to close it down over Christmas which he blatantly ignored. They take the advice when it suits them. The same as the general public then The government hasn’t spread this virus , the population has by not doing what it’s told aswell " No one said the gmnt has spread the virus | |||
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"If only the NHS wasnt vastly underfunded. Assume for a moment you're right. Assume? I don't think I need to assume that. 8 years of austerity had a massive impact..there can be little doubt about that.We were massively under prepared. As for people being solely responsible..I don't get why cases are rocketing..when 90%of the country is in lockdown. I'd suggest every country in the world was massively unprepared for this, regardless of whether their healthcare was underfunded or not. 90% of the country is supposed to be in lockdown. 100% of the country isn't observing lockdown, social distancing, wearing masks, or even washing their bloody hands. What don't you get about it? The government is responsible for imposing the lockdown and guideance. We the people are responsible for not following the guidelines. To constantly blame the government when it's the people who are not following the rules is bloody stupid. You're a Labour man, so let's swap it around. The Labour party are in power, the conservatives are in opposition. The country is in exactly the same position we are in today. How many of your posts would be anti labour? Back to the OP, bravo the NHS, who are doing their very best in the face of huge adversity. E If the labour party had imposed 8 years of austerity I'd say exactly the same thing. Quite how you cut services to the bone and then be surprised when we struggle to cope,is quite bewildering. People take responsibility for their own actions,and I dont see anyone blaming the gmnt completely, but if anyone thinks this whole mess has been handled well,they need their heads testing. There were teachers on the radio yesterday saying the instructions they were getting were contradictory and unfeasible. And other countries have handled it much better than us. That's a fact. Oh ok, like which ones? " Taiwan New zeeland Iceland Singapore Vietnam Germany Poland Turkey Ukraine | |||
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"But you are aware that the masks don't actually protect anyone from getting it? " Please god... tell me you’re joking? My life is PPE in a clinical setting, the only evidence out there strongly supports the wearing of face coverings. | |||
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"But you are aware that the masks don't actually protect anyone from getting it? Please god... tell me you’re joking? My life is PPE in a clinical setting, the only evidence out there strongly supports the wearing of face coverings. " Well let’s be clear on this FP3 masks will when used correctly, the use of Fluid resistant surgical masks ‘FRSM’ will reduce the risk if they are used correctly not my use of correctly, the so called “face coverings” that some use are a joke, no form of infection control procedure at all at the most they might reduce the risk of people spreading it to others. | |||
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"But you are aware that the masks don't actually protect anyone from getting it? Please god... tell me you’re joking? My life is PPE in a clinical setting, the only evidence out there strongly supports the wearing of face coverings. Well let’s be clear on this FP3 masks will when used correctly, the use of Fluid resistant surgical masks ‘FRSM’ will reduce the risk if they are used correctly not my use of correctly, the so called “face coverings” that some use are a joke, no form of infection control procedure at all at the most they might reduce the risk of people spreading it to others. " So all wear a mask...if it covers the gob and sneck they stop the spread. I'll take that | |||
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"But you are aware that the masks don't actually protect anyone from getting it? Please god... tell me you’re joking? My life is PPE in a clinical setting, the only evidence out there strongly supports the wearing of face coverings. Well let’s be clear on this FP3 masks will when used correctly, the use of Fluid resistant surgical masks ‘FRSM’ will reduce the risk if they are used correctly not my use of correctly, the so called “face coverings” that some use are a joke, no form of infection control procedure at all at the most they might reduce the risk of people spreading it to others. " Non clinical masks are designed entirely to reduce risk of spreading the virus... sneezes, coughs, breathing etc all disperse significantly less particles if even a simple cotton barrier is in place... It’s a % reduction... to borrow “team sky” thinking, it’s marginal gains which when applied across the population has the opportunity to make a significant difference. | |||
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"But you are aware that the masks don't actually protect anyone from getting it? Please god... tell me you’re joking? My life is PPE in a clinical setting, the only evidence out there strongly supports the wearing of face coverings. Well let’s be clear on this FP3 masks will when used correctly, the use of Fluid resistant surgical masks ‘FRSM’ will reduce the risk if they are used correctly not my use of correctly, the so called “face coverings” that some use are a joke, no form of infection control procedure at all at the most they might reduce the risk of people spreading it to others. " The entire reason for wanting everybody to wear one when in public places is to prevent them spreading their germs to others. Let's be clear here, i personally do not give a flying fuck if you catch covid, if you want to cough your lungs up and die, that's your choice. What i do very much care about is that i don't want your stinking germs spreading everywhere you go. There are now, and have been for months, hundreds of people dying in agony every day because of a horrendous disease. Even if you don't give a shit about people, maybe you should care that the spread of this has paralysed the country and cost hundreds of billions of pounds to the economy, money that you will be paying back for the rest of your life. Anybody that cannot even make the token effort to wear a bit of cloth over their face when they are in a supermarket, but instead makes specious arguments about the exact percentage of their efficiency, should not be allowed out in a public place. Nobody is perfect, most people make minor mistakes, but at least they are trying to do their bit. Those who deliberately look for loopholes in the rules, who are actively refusing any responsibility towards their fellow people - fuck them, fuck them sideways, fuck them into the sea. | |||
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"But you are aware that the masks don't actually protect anyone from getting it? Please god... tell me you’re joking? My life is PPE in a clinical setting, the only evidence out there strongly supports the wearing of face coverings. Well let’s be clear on this FP3 masks will when used correctly, the use of Fluid resistant surgical masks ‘FRSM’ will reduce the risk if they are used correctly not my use of correctly, the so called “face coverings” that some use are a joke, no form of infection control procedure at all at the most they might reduce the risk of people spreading it to others. Non clinical masks are designed entirely to reduce risk of spreading the virus... sneezes, coughs, breathing etc all disperse significantly less particles if even a simple cotton barrier is in place... It’s a % reduction... to borrow “team sky” thinking, it’s marginal gains which when applied across the population has the opportunity to make a significant difference." Yes but a little more attention to following the right procedures wouldn’t go amis, simple things like not crossing the straps with FRSM’s which appears to have become a thing, but makes the sides of the mask gape, I am getting fed up with pulling staff up for things like that.... I should say I work closely with IPC and it’s amazes me how people don’t get the basics. As for the public.... simply they don’t get in unless they have one of our FRSM and sanitised with 24 hr security at all entrances preventing access unless with an appointment, there is a flip side, something I never want to see of relatives at the door of the hospital not allowed in on a phone sharing the last moments with loved ones distressed and in tears, that is hard on staff as well, but no one cares anymore, talk to our porters who have to deal with the volume of deaths, I work in a hospital dating from the 1880’s and we have had the highest daily death rates ever recorded including as a work house, and two world wars. Sobering isn’t it. | |||
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"Yes but a little more attention to following the right procedures wouldn’t go amis, simple things like not crossing the straps with FRSM’s which appears to have become a thing, but makes the sides of the mask gape, I am getting fed up with pulling staff up for things like that.... I should say I work closely with IPC and it’s amazes me how people don’t get the basics. As for the public.... simply they don’t get in unless they have one of our FRSM and sanitised with 24 hr security at all entrances preventing access unless with an appointment, there is a flip side, something I never want to see of relatives at the door of the hospital not allowed in on a phone sharing the last moments with loved ones distressed and in tears, that is hard on staff as well, but no one cares anymore, talk to our porters who have to deal with the volume of deaths, I work in a hospital dating from the 1880’s and we have had the highest daily death rates ever recorded including as a work house, and two world wars. Sobering isn’t it. " I only see my team but we are pretty flawless with all our PPE, if your staff are crossing the ear supports because the masks are too small perhaps enlist the help of some old dears to knit some button bands... they help no end. I’m surprised you aren’t letting relatives in for the final moments, I didn’t think any trust was still doing that tbh | |||
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"Yes but a little more attention to following the right procedures wouldn’t go amis, simple things like not crossing the straps with FRSM’s which appears to have become a thing, but makes the sides of the mask gape, I am getting fed up with pulling staff up for things like that.... I should say I work closely with IPC and it’s amazes me how people don’t get the basics. As for the public.... simply they don’t get in unless they have one of our FRSM and sanitised with 24 hr security at all entrances preventing access unless with an appointment, there is a flip side, something I never want to see of relatives at the door of the hospital not allowed in on a phone sharing the last moments with loved ones distressed and in tears, that is hard on staff as well, but no one cares anymore, talk to our porters who have to deal with the volume of deaths, I work in a hospital dating from the 1880’s and we have had the highest daily death rates ever recorded including as a work house, and two world wars. Sobering isn’t it. I only see my team but we are pretty flawless with all our PPE, if your staff are crossing the ear supports because the masks are too small perhaps enlist the help of some old dears to knit some button bands... they help no end. I’m surprised you aren’t letting relatives in for the final moments, I didn’t think any trust was still doing that tbh" Sadly you can’t let a whole family in, I’ve never seen a FRSM as anything other than one size not likes a FFP3 face fitted | |||
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"Yes but a little more attention to following the right procedures wouldn’t go amis, simple things like not crossing the straps with FRSM’s which appears to have become a thing, but makes the sides of the mask gape, I am getting fed up with pulling staff up for things like that.... I should say I work closely with IPC and it’s amazes me how people don’t get the basics. As for the public.... simply they don’t get in unless they have one of our FRSM and sanitised with 24 hr security at all entrances preventing access unless with an appointment, there is a flip side, something I never want to see of relatives at the door of the hospital not allowed in on a phone sharing the last moments with loved ones distressed and in tears, that is hard on staff as well, but no one cares anymore, talk to our porters who have to deal with the volume of deaths, I work in a hospital dating from the 1880’s and we have had the highest daily death rates ever recorded including as a work house, and two world wars. Sobering isn’t it. I only see my team but we are pretty flawless with all our PPE, if your staff are crossing the ear supports because the masks are too small perhaps enlist the help of some old dears to knit some button bands... they help no end. I’m surprised you aren’t letting relatives in for the final moments, I didn’t think any trust was still doing that tbh Sadly you can’t let a whole family in, I’ve never seen a FRSM as anything other than one size not likes a FFP3 face fitted " Every mask that's been provided to me when attending hospital appointments in this pandemic have been universally useless. Far too big for my face and impossible to create a seal over my nose with the wire. Obviously I wore what I was given, but it had more gaps at the sides and bridge of the nose than a bombed out building. One size fits all (if you're a bloke with a broad face). | |||
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"And despite the opening post, it's mere seconds for people to pop along and blame the government. And lo and behold it's the usual suspects. People. It's the people who are spreading this, while the government desperately adapt the guidance due to the selfish, ignorant actions of the absolute fuckwits who ignore everything they're told to do. And meanwhile our wonderful NHS desperately try to keep ahead of the need. Every government of any party, in every country in the world has a population full of people saying "This government fucked it up, this government are useless, blah blah blah" When the truth is, they're all trying to deal with a global pandemic for which no-one has any experience of, for which there's no cure, for which we're learning something new every day. Meanwhile, people keep ignoring the advice, the statistics and the guidelines, whilst moaning about how the Government are screwing it up, cases are rising and the restrictions are tightening. People and their stinking, selfish, stupid, ignorant attitudes. Them's the problem. Love you Charli, you and your colleagues are absolutely, totally and completely, fucking superstars. E Totally agree The government is fighting a losing battle if the minority keep whining about their civil liberties beijg taken away, and doing as they damn well please I’m not saying that people aren’t to blame - but the government are not blameless by any stretch of the imagination. That's obvious in hindsight What is obvious in hindsight? That the government aren’t blameless? Can you explain your point please? Nobody can say what they should do without the benefits of hindsight. They were led, in the main by the scientists, so blame them if anything was wrong They often ignore the scientists..despite what they say." The government decided to ‘follow its own path’ by going down the herd immunity route instead of following WHO advice and learning from other countries. I am not exactly relying on hindsight with this, this was widely reported at the time. | |||
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"Yes but a little more attention to following the right procedures wouldn’t go amis, simple things like not crossing the straps with FRSM’s which appears to have become a thing, but makes the sides of the mask gape, I am getting fed up with pulling staff up for things like that.... I should say I work closely with IPC and it’s amazes me how people don’t get the basics. As for the public.... simply they don’t get in unless they have one of our FRSM and sanitised with 24 hr security at all entrances preventing access unless with an appointment, there is a flip side, something I never want to see of relatives at the door of the hospital not allowed in on a phone sharing the last moments with loved ones distressed and in tears, that is hard on staff as well, but no one cares anymore, talk to our porters who have to deal with the volume of deaths, I work in a hospital dating from the 1880’s and we have had the highest daily death rates ever recorded including as a work house, and two world wars. Sobering isn’t it. I only see my team but we are pretty flawless with all our PPE, if your staff are crossing the ear supports because the masks are too small perhaps enlist the help of some old dears to knit some button bands... they help no end. I’m surprised you aren’t letting relatives in for the final moments, I didn’t think any trust was still doing that tbh Sadly you can’t let a whole family in, I’ve never seen a FRSM as anything other than one size not likes a FFP3 face fitted " It’s the heads that differ in size from my experience. 
I’m amazed you get family liaison officers to link with ventilated patients. We will try and get any direct link relatives in, wives, husbands, children etc... it’s very limited time but placing or holding a hand is pretty important in my view. We ‘may’ have done that in certain cases even before it was allowed. | |||
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" ... The attitude was get them out, get them out. This increased with closure of community hospital beds. I couldn't stand it in the end. All this crap about save the nhs !! It's been underfunded and damaged for years." Agreed. The NHS manages to do the job it does because of the dedication of its staff, not as a result of government support. "Have you not considered that by constantly reporting how bad the situation with the NHS is, the pitch for privatising it will appeal to many, many more people when it comes around...a bit like telling folk how bad it was being in the EU." Will it really? Do people really believe private health care is the way forward? You only have to look at the US to see how many people fall between the cracks under that system. Obamacare? But you are right in that it's a massive political hot potato. For years we have been told tax cuts are the way forward...and they've won the vote. You get what you pay for. Sadly I suspect spending and government borrowing relating to Covid will make austerity look like the good times for some years to come, meaning there will be a dearth of government money for a long time. | |||
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" ... The attitude was get them out, get them out. This increased with closure of community hospital beds. I couldn't stand it in the end. All this crap about save the nhs !! It's been underfunded and damaged for years. Agreed. The NHS manages to do the job it does because of the dedication of its staff, not as a result of government support. Have you not considered that by constantly reporting how bad the situation with the NHS is, the pitch for privatising it will appeal to many, many more people when it comes around...a bit like telling folk how bad it was being in the EU. Will it really? Do people really believe private health care is the way forward? You only have to look at the US to see how many people fall between the cracks under that system. Obamacare? But you are right in that it's a massive political hot potato. For years we have been told tax cuts are the way forward...and they've won the vote. You get what you pay for. Sadly I suspect spending and government borrowing relating to Covid will make austerity look like the good times for some years to come, meaning there will be a dearth of government money for a long time. " I find it interesting whenever it comes to health and spending that lots of untruths are pushed and believed. Take a look at the facts about spending on the nhs. I'm not suggesting it's well funded or pooy funded. But it is funded and its funded a lot. When it comes to private health care.... People kneejerk and say but America is shut. Firstly is it? Have you experience of it or just trotting out second hand lazy stereotypes. Secondly, nobody at any point has said America is the model we should aspire to. However many EU countries have good health systems and they are provided privately and paid for privately. Ask someone in the UK to pay an additional 2k in tax for the nhs and most will run for the his. But give them and annual 2k bill for their bupa subscription and they are OK with it. Our health and our NHS are important. But we can only really have a reasonable debate if we use facts rather than politicised tagines, some of which are patently incorrect. | |||
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