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"Sky has just reported ambulances are queuing and hospitals are at bursting point... Twitter people are reporting they've been to said hospitals or drove past and claim it's not the real picture at all... Who can we actually believe without turning in each other. someone's fibbing. Reporting high figures and stats that can't actually be thoroughly challenged at the moment also make it hard too." Wife is working to day at Worthing and they Where put in to a Major Incident today as all ICU beds where full A&E was full and ambulances outside queuing to get people in. | |||
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"Sky has just reported ambulances are queuing and hospitals are at bursting point... Twitter people are reporting they've been to said hospitals or drove past and claim it's not the real picture at all... Who can we actually believe without turning in each other. someone's fibbing. Reporting high figures and stats that can't actually be thoroughly challenged at the moment also make it hard too. Wife is working to day at Worthing and they Where put in to a Major Incident today as all ICU beds where full A&E was full and ambulances outside queuing to get people in." Can i ask then please, as you know first hand, does it happen quite regularly, especially in winter season. A lot of ambulance drivers have tweeted saying it's the "norm" ? | |||
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"Yup.....let's all believe the twitterati " Try not to take that path, Twitter users are probably as reliable as a failing news channel or corrupt government | |||
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"Sky has just reported ambulances are queuing and hospitals are at bursting point... Twitter people are reporting they've been to said hospitals or drove past and claim it's not the real picture at all... Who can we actually believe without turning in each other. someone's fibbing. Reporting high figures and stats that can't actually be thoroughly challenged at the moment also make it hard too. Wife is working to day at Worthing and they Where put in to a Major Incident today as all ICU beds where full A&E was full and ambulances outside queuing to get people in. Can i ask then please, as you know first hand, does it happen quite regularly, especially in winter season. A lot of ambulance drivers have tweeted saying it's the "norm" ?" The winter months are always bad but with the added cases of covid it is far worse than the norm. | |||
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"Yup.....let's all believe the twitterati Try not to take that path, Twitter users are probably as reliable as a failing news channel or corrupt government" Nope. Twitter is a gossip site, with peoples perceptions and views coming from a small window available to them. The "fact" that millions worldwide make it an overall big window doesnt mean the view is clear. Now, I dont say that some (or all) are wrong, just they have a very limited view. Will wait for a more structured report before I say yea or nay if that's ok? | |||
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"From a lovely Fab paramedic a diplomatic answer is it’s very very busy. It wouldn’t surprise me if we are heading for another full lockdown. My opinion based on the record cases today. " I agree Theyve quoted a quarter of a million new cases over the christmas period Obvs we have no way of knowing how accurate those figures are, but even if a tiny percentage of those need hospital treatment and the hospitals are already at capacity... We have a problem | |||
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"Sky has just reported ambulances are queuing and hospitals are at bursting point... Twitter people are reporting they've been to said hospitals or drove past and claim it's not the real picture at all... Who can we actually believe without turning in each other. someone's fibbing. Reporting high figures and stats that can't actually be thoroughly challenged at the moment also make it hard too. Wife is working to day at Worthing and they Where put in to a Major Incident today as all ICU beds where full A&E was full and ambulances outside queuing to get people in. Can i ask then please, as you know first hand, does it happen quite regularly, especially in winter season. A lot of ambulance drivers have tweeted saying it's the "norm" ?" It can do but it’s happening for longer and longer as ICU is now full. She did say Brighton was keeping some space free. So if there is an incident you would have to go there. Each Trust I guess is trying to keep some space or if it is needed it just wont be there. | |||
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"From a lovely Fab paramedic a diplomatic answer is it’s very very busy. It wouldn’t surprise me if we are heading for another full lockdown. My opinion based on the record cases today. I agree Theyve quoted a quarter of a million new cases over the christmas period Obvs we have no way of knowing how accurate those figures are, but even if a tiny percentage of those need hospital treatment and the hospitals are already at capacity... We have a problem" Just 1 percent of reported cases needing hospital treatment and we are over the edge. Not a nice thought is it. | |||
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"From a lovely Fab paramedic a diplomatic answer is it’s very very busy. It wouldn’t surprise me if we are heading for another full lockdown. My opinion based on the record cases today. I agree Theyve quoted a quarter of a million new cases over the christmas period Obvs we have no way of knowing how accurate those figures are, but even if a tiny percentage of those need hospital treatment and the hospitals are already at capacity... We have a problem Just 1 percent of reported cases needing hospital treatment and we are over the edge. Not a nice thought is it." No its not good but 0.5% of the 55,000 is 27,500 people that is like how meany people use to use charing Cross station in one day | |||
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"My partner has worked right at the front for over 20 years up here in God’s own country. Typically at this time of year hospitals run at 98-99% ICU capacity, however if you knew how tight it is in ICU in general (all year) it’s scary. Up here the Covid situation isn’t bad in the hospitals - at the moment, and hasn’t been for quite some time." No you had more restrictions sooner and it is paying off. But if you have space wait for London to ship them your way. | |||
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"Are hospitals and medics in the UK also paid more for covid cases???"  LOL | |||
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"My partner has worked right at the front for over 20 years up here in God’s own country. Typically at this time of year hospitals run at 98-99% ICU capacity, however if you knew how tight it is in ICU in general (all year) it’s scary. Up here the Covid situation isn’t bad in the hospitals - at the moment, and hasn’t been for quite some time. No you had more restrictions sooner and it is paying off. But if you have space wait for London to ship them your way. " Nightingale London has been out in standby to get up and running | |||
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"From a lovely Fab paramedic a diplomatic answer is it’s very very busy. It wouldn’t surprise me if we are heading for another full lockdown. My opinion based on the record cases today. I agree Theyve quoted a quarter of a million new cases over the christmas period Obvs we have no way of knowing how accurate those figures are, but even if a tiny percentage of those need hospital treatment and the hospitals are already at capacity... We have a problem Just 1 percent of reported cases needing hospital treatment and we are over the edge. Not a nice thought is it. No its not good but 0.5% of the 55,000 is 27,500 people that is like how meany people use to use charing Cross station in one day" 275 not 27,500...but 1 percent of 250,000 cases over xmas period SO FAR is 2500 in icu or urgent care....and that's a tipping point. | |||
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"Why dont they use the nightingale hospital to treat those in the ambulances waiting, then the ambulances will not be held up and putting others at risk ." Now that's a semi decent idea. Alas, with the white elephants.....I mean Nightingales....being nothing more than a clearance warehouse in this scenario, then the ambulance service becomes even more overwhelmed just in transferring patients. But it's good to see outside the box thinking, that is what is going to help (and I am honestly NOT being sarcastic). | |||
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"Sky has just reported ambulances are queuing and hospitals are at bursting point... Twitter people are reporting they've been to said hospitals or drove past and claim it's not the real picture at all... Who can we actually believe without turning in each other. someone's fibbing. Reporting high figures and stats that can't actually be thoroughly challenged at the moment also make it hard too." I’d suggest some opinion of Dave the salesman driving past has zero credibility... Generally most hospitals are in dire straights, each trust has its own issues but I know West Yorkshire is in a similar place to ours in Manchester. At absolute capacity. Here’s the thing, the sky or any other news reports are based on trust directors updates... why would we as the NHS claim dire straights when we aren’t in them? More to the point why is some fucktards reaction to challenge that plea... is going to the pub that fucking important? | |||
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"Why dont they use the nightingale hospital to treat those in the ambulances waiting, then the ambulances will not be held up and putting others at risk ." That's exactly what I was thinking especially as they have made them bigger during the lockdown. | |||
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"Why dont they use the nightingale hospital to treat those in the ambulances waiting, then the ambulances will not be held up and putting others at risk ." They haven't got staff to run the Nightingales. Pity that wasn't considered months ago | |||
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"Are hospitals and medics in the UK also paid more for covid cases??? LOL"not having much to say LOLOLOL 
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"Why dont they use the nightingale hospital to treat those in the ambulances waiting, then the ambulances will not be held up and putting others at risk . That's exactly what I was thinking especially as they have made them bigger during the lockdown. " I suspect lack of staff, but have no evidence for that ! They cannot just conjure up doctors and nurses and the ones in the hospitals are already working at full capacity; saying that they could co-opt some GP's who seem to be doing fuck all - try getting an appointment at one round here and you have no chance. As for the record number of infections, maybe this is due to the number of people they are testing, i would love to know what percentage of tests done are positive as opposed to numbers. Comments like 'higher than first peak in April' are meaningless if they are testing 100 times more than in April surely. | |||
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"Why dont they use the nightingale hospital to treat those in the ambulances waiting, then the ambulances will not be held up and putting others at risk . That's exactly what I was thinking especially as they have made them bigger during the lockdown. " So use more ambulance time to transport patients who will then need additional ambulance transport to take them to whatever trust post triage after their trip to a nightingale with zero staff or ED capability. It would be good for these “obvious” answers to have the slightest understanding of medical treatment behind them in truth. | |||
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"A lot of fake news on twitter and seemingly a lot of people in denial who like to peddle that it's just the flu. I'd believe mainstream media on this one even if they might be a bit sensationalist. Good to see those with primary sources confirming. " 10 to 15 times worse than seasonal flu apparently | |||
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"A lot of fake news on twitter and seemingly a lot of people in denial who like to peddle that it's just the flu. I'd believe mainstream media on this one even if they might be a bit sensationalist. Good to see those with primary sources confirming. " WHO with their 0.05% mortality rate 70yo in denial obviously as well. https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fact-check-medicare-hospitals-paid-more-covid-19-patients-coronavirus/3000638001/ | |||
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"Why dont they use the nightingale hospital to treat those in the ambulances waiting, then the ambulances will not be held up and putting others at risk . That's exactly what I was thinking especially as they have made them bigger during the lockdown. So use more ambulance time to transport patients who will then need additional ambulance transport to take them to whatever trust post triage after their trip to a nightingale with zero staff or ED capability. It would be good for these “obvious” answers to have the slightest understanding of medical treatment behind them in truth. " If we arnt in the medical profession then all we can do is surmise | |||
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" Here’s the thing, the sky or any other news reports are based on trust directors updates... why would we as the NHS claim dire straights when we aren’t in them? " Exactly. No Trust is going to want to admit they are struggling as it's almost like saying they're rubbish, which they certainly are not. | |||
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"Why dont they use the nightingale hospital to treat those in the ambulances waiting, then the ambulances will not be held up and putting others at risk . That's exactly what I was thinking especially as they have made them bigger during the lockdown. " My understanding is, the reason they can't do that, is there simply isn't enough staff! Hospitals aren't just about the buildings, they need properly trained personnel to look after these patients. I really, really hope when this is finally over, that every single person in this country demands that we have a properly funded health service. It's been run into the ground for years, we pay for it with our taxes and it is failing us when we need it most ( not by the doctors or nurses, who are doing their v best, but by the politicians) | |||
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"Why dont they use the nightingale hospital to treat those in the ambulances waiting, then the ambulances will not be held up and putting others at risk ." Absolutely 100% .. | |||
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"Pretty quiet at our hospital today .... 2 ambulances parked outside AE no queues and plenty of spaces in the car park .... could take your pick of various car parks when usually they are rammed full .....think someone is telling porkies..... "Yes you, we have taken in transfers from Flintshire in the last week in a vague effort to elevate some pressure, Wrexham and it’s surrounds are probably the most severely hit trust in the U.K. currently. Why you’d make out their HDU staff are having an easy life when in reality they are in the state they are I don’t know. | |||
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"From a lovely Fab paramedic a diplomatic answer is it’s very very busy. It wouldn’t surprise me if we are heading for another full lockdown. My opinion based on the record cases today. I agree Theyve quoted a quarter of a million new cases over the christmas period Obvs we have no way of knowing how accurate those figures are, but even if a tiny percentage of those need hospital treatment and the hospitals are already at capacity... We have a problem Just 1 percent of reported cases needing hospital treatment and we are over the edge. Not a nice thought is it. No its not good but 0.5% of the 55,000 is 27,500 people that is like how meany people use to use charing Cross station in one day 275 not 27,500...but 1 percent of 250,000 cases over xmas period SO FAR is 2500 in icu or urgent care....and that's a tipping point. " Thank you my maths is on the blink or drink | |||
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" Exactly. No Trust is going to want to admit they are struggling as it's almost like saying they're rubbish, which they certainly are not. " Ermm, they are doing so constantly... one welsh trust actually put out an urgent appeal for anyone with clinical knowledge over Xmas due to the fact their care ratio had gone up to 1:5. We all know are trusts aren’t rubbish, it’s shown clearly in the survival rates of our patients... we are totally fine with saying we are being overwhelmed... there’s zero to gain by pretending the issue isn’t there. | |||
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"Why dont they use the nightingale hospital to treat those in the ambulances waiting, then the ambulances will not be held up and putting others at risk ." Can i ask what you do for a living | |||
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"If we arnt in the medical profession then all we can do is surmise " Or heaven forbid... listen to what your regional health service is saying and take it as the reality. | |||
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"Why dont they use the nightingale hospital to treat those in the ambulances waiting, then the ambulances will not be held up and putting others at risk . Can i ask what you do for a living " He doesn’t work on ward admissions or as an ambulance controller... that much is obvious | |||
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"From a lovely Fab paramedic a diplomatic answer is it’s very very busy. It wouldn’t surprise me if we are heading for another full lockdown. My opinion based on the record cases today. I agree Theyve quoted a quarter of a million new cases over the christmas period Obvs we have no way of knowing how accurate those figures are, but even if a tiny percentage of those need hospital treatment and the hospitals are already at capacity... We have a problem Just 1 percent of reported cases needing hospital treatment and we are over the edge. Not a nice thought is it. No its not good but 0.5% of the 55,000 is 27,500 people that is like how meany people use to use charing Cross station in one day 275 not 27,500...but 1 percent of 250,000 cases over xmas period SO FAR is 2500 in icu or urgent care....and that's a tipping point. Thank you my maths is on the blink or drink" Call it the drink...that's when my schpelling goes crazily bonkers...ooppps  | |||
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" Here’s the thing, the sky or any other news reports are based on trust directors updates... why would we as the NHS claim dire straights when we aren’t in them? Exactly. No Trust is going to want to admit they are struggling as it's almost like saying they're rubbish, which they certainly are not. " But they will say :- London Ambulance Service and our local hospitals are extremely busy. Please support our staff by only calling 999 in an emergency. If you feel unwell and it is not an emergency please call your GP. If your GP isn't open and it is urgent please visit nhs.uk/111 online or phone 111. They can guide you to where you can get help or book you in to see a GP. Text received 30 minutes ago, it’s not a sign of struggling but that they are dealing with so much, so think how you use the service. | |||
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"Sky has just reported ambulances are queuing and hospitals are at bursting point... Twitter people are reporting they've been to said hospitals or drove past and claim it's not the real picture at all... Who can we actually believe without turning in each other. someone's fibbing. Reporting high figures and stats that can't actually be thoroughly challenged at the moment also make it hard too." Those who say they aren't are stirrers and lying through their teeth. Have a daughter working in one and she's been on 6 straight nights and said she's back on again tonight as staffing issues are getting to crisis with staff isolating or recovering. She sent photos of ambulances queuing outside with patients being treated inside them as no spare trollies. There's a hospital here that is set aside for covid spill over but problem is no spare staff to run it as they have been moved to other hospitals to cover. Someone put photos and a short video of this hospital on FB saying what you are quoting that hospitals are not full etc etc. They are being prosecuted because they should not have been walking in the hospital and their partner was being filmed talking on camera without a mask on. So my suggestion is don't believe a lot of the conspiracy crap people are trying to push. | |||
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"Why dont they use the nightingale hospital to treat those in the ambulances waiting, then the ambulances will not be held up and putting others at risk . Can i ask what you do for a living He doesn’t work on ward admissions or as an ambulance controller... that much is obvious " No im not the Wife is in A&E Worthing. As for nightingale hospital there is not the staff simple its like any bisness you plan for the norm hope you can cope when its bad. as an Electrical Eng i dont have a guy watining out side in a van for every phone call. | |||
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"Some great answers and responses and sadly one or two angry responses that don't want to accept any other viewpoint and poo poo all other sources completely. I understand people are emotional and scared but if we stop allowing adults to freely challenge what we are told because of fear then we have a worse problem than a virus." Why question NHS trusts at a point where the last thing they need is the general public to not take messaging about covid-19 or the fact their hospitals are close to breaking point absolutely seriously? | |||
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"Why dont they use the nightingale hospital to treat those in the ambulances waiting, then the ambulances will not be held up and putting others at risk . Can i ask what you do for a living He doesn’t work on ward admissions or as an ambulance controller... that much is obvious " I guess What ever you do you allwas are ready for the unexpected. | |||
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"Why dont they use the nightingale hospital to treat those in the ambulances waiting, then the ambulances will not be held up and putting others at risk . Can i ask what you do for a living He doesn’t work on ward admissions or as an ambulance controller... that much is obvious I guess What ever you do you allwas are ready for the unexpected." I work on an ICU ward in central Manchester, and to answer your question pretty much every minute of our day is based about the unexpected. If ready means calm, clear thinking and informed, then yes we are. | |||
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"When all said and done.... We are in the shit again, this time it coincides with flu season - so with a bit of luck, by March we might be out of it." Yep something like that but as someone said earlier we should hit the peak mid Jan so we will see. Personally the south and London did not go to Tier 3 early enough. | |||
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"Some great answers and responses and sadly one or two angry responses that don't want to accept any other viewpoint and poo poo all other sources completely. I understand people are emotional and scared but if we stop allowing adults to freely challenge what we are told because of fear then we have a worse problem than a virus." So stopping people from spouting bullshit is more dangerous than covid? | |||
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"Why dont they use the nightingale hospital to treat those in the ambulances waiting, then the ambulances will not be held up and putting others at risk . Can i ask what you do for a living He doesn’t work on ward admissions or as an ambulance controller... that much is obvious I guess What ever you do you allwas are ready for the unexpected. I work on an ICU ward in central Manchester, and to answer your question pretty much every minute of our day is based about the unexpected. If ready means calm, clear thinking and informed, then yes we are. " I work as an Engineer for East Sussex Healthcare Trust. So I do sort of see it. And i do thank all Hosspital Staff for all the hard work. | |||
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"I think my reply was “bell end” Tell that to my colleagues who are slogging their guys out. But you keep disbelieving! "Keep up the hard work my beautiful friend, those who disbelieve this is real have heads up bum time! | |||
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"Some great answers and responses and sadly one or two angry responses that don't want to accept any other viewpoint and poo poo all other sources completely. I understand people are emotional and scared but if we stop allowing adults to freely challenge what we are told because of fear then we have a worse problem than a virus." You've quoted the 'twitter people' and others who have direct experience in different parts of the country have said how it is.. And you must be aware by now that there are some who throughout this pandemic have been spreading disinformation for whatever reasons, btw I'm not excusing the government for its mistakes although it has done some things ok.. Oh, wife is NHS, one sibling, four other nieces and nephews and one offspring also plus several close friends of the wife from Surrey, Berks, London, Notts and Scotland and all are saying it's worse, far worse than April.. | |||
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"Twitter is full of misinformation, much like a lot of these threads. Like anything, it’s your responsibility to check the credibility of the information and to realise that just because your local hospital is fine, it may not be a reflection of the country as a whole. I personally find that the information I get from twitter tweeted directly from London based ICU doctors is pretty plausible and is confirmed days later by mainstream media. Obviously people are tweeting from all over the world and therefore the views will be different. Use your brain and you can’t go far wrong. " Well you’re obviously as brainwashed as the rest of them. Social media was invented to control the masses. Just like this virus. You have been warned. The krall are coming, hide your children, and stockpile toilet roll, because that is the only way to fight the impeding Armageddon. | |||
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"Twitter is full of misinformation, much like a lot of these threads. Like anything, it’s your responsibility to check the credibility of the information and to realise that just because your local hospital is fine, it may not be a reflection of the country as a whole. I personally find that the information I get from twitter tweeted directly from London based ICU doctors is pretty plausible and is confirmed days later by mainstream media. Obviously people are tweeting from all over the world and therefore the views will be different. Use your brain and you can’t go far wrong. Well you’re obviously as brainwashed as the rest of them. Social media was invented to control the masses. Just like this virus. You have been warned. The krall are coming, hide your children, and stockpile toilet roll, because that is the only way to fight the impeding Armageddon. " Haha the Krall are coming! Go to bed Troll  | |||
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"I think my reply was “bell end” Tell that to my colleagues who are slogging their guys out. But you keep disbelieving! "I wish those who disbelieve could be questioned at admittance on this. I wonder what they'd say? Or maybe have a big L burned on their foreheads so as not to be treated for something that doesn't exist. | |||
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"Why dont they use the nightingale hospital to treat those in the ambulances waiting, then the ambulances will not be held up and putting others at risk ." I heard they closed them down, due to not being able to staff them all. | |||
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"No idea about the capacity of American hospitals but here they are in many areas under critical levels of stress.. Friend got to east Croydon at 16:30 and their ambulance was 12th in the queue to get patients in, at 20:30 they were 7th.. " Yes, the way I see how the 20% would be, would be a packed hospital with beds filling up all the corridors, with all the staff rushing about and it would be alot busier than a busy day at the er. | |||
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"Yup.....let's all believe the twitterati Try not to take that path, Twitter users are probably as reliable as a failing news channel or corrupt government" Bollocks, bollocks and bollocks. It is you that are following the wrong path young man, it is quite sad, I feel sorry for you lad. | |||
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