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"It would add more value if it had 'refused' and 'medical grounds' as differentiators perhaps.." Yeah, along with 'idiot'. Ha | |||
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"Definitely not must be against Human rights " It's said it won't be public and only shared with other governments. No human rights laws stop it. | |||
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"Definitely not must be against Human rights It's said it won't be public and only shared with other governments. No human rights laws stop it. " And you believe they won’t share it ? | |||
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"Definitely not must be against Human rights It's said it won't be public and only shared with other governments. No human rights laws stop it. And you believe they won’t share it ? " They will share it. With the rest of the EU. They've said that. | |||
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"It would add more value if it had 'refused' and 'medical grounds' as differentiators perhaps.. Yeah, along with 'idiot'. Ha" I was trying to be nice...  | |||
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"That will get some knickers in a twist. " I think everyone knows, it's going to be hard to travel if you don't accept the vaccine | |||
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"Definitely not must be against Human rights It's said it won't be public and only shared with other governments. No human rights laws stop it. And you believe they won’t share it ? They will share it. With the rest of the EU. They've said that. " And there is never ever any data leaks ? | |||
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"Definitely not must be against Human rights It's said it won't be public and only shared with other governments. No human rights laws stop it. And you believe they won’t share it ? They will share it. With the rest of the EU. They've said that. And there is never ever any data leaks ? " Who knows? | |||
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"Definitely not must be against Human rights It's said it won't be public and only shared with other governments. No human rights laws stop it. And you believe they won’t share it ? They will share it. With the rest of the EU. They've said that. " Not us then | |||
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"Definitely not must be against Human rights It's said it won't be public and only shared with other governments. No human rights laws stop it. And you believe they won’t share it ? They will share it. With the rest of the EU. They've said that. Not us then " I don't know if the uk will follow. It might have to, just to make travel possible to the EU. | |||
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"Definitely not must be against Human rights It's said it won't be public and only shared with other governments. No human rights laws stop it. And you believe they won’t share it ? They will share it. With the rest of the EU. They've said that Not us then I don't know if the uk will follow. It might have to, just to make travel possible to the EU. " I meant them sharing it with us, we aren’t in the EU. As for us, as per my post above that all depends on availability of the vaccine for all, an example no under 16 at present is planned to receive it, does their life (and their families) remain on this island ? | |||
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"I wouldn't worry. The chances of dying in a plane crash is 1 in 11 million can't see any anti-vaxers taking that risk anyway." Haha, I heard anti-vaxxers, won't fly in a new plane. Its gotta be 10years old, for some reason  | |||
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"Definitely not must be against Human rights It's said it won't be public and only shared with other governments. No human rights laws stop it. And you believe they won’t share it ? They will share it. With the rest of the EU. They've said that. And there is never ever any data leaks ? " If I was going to spend the time and effort breaching a system to get data then I'd want something more than a worthless list of idiots at the end of it. | |||
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"Definitely not must be against Human rights It's said it won't be public and only shared with other governments. No human rights laws stop it. And you believe they won’t share it ? They will share it. With the rest of the EU. They've said that Not us then I don't know if the uk will follow. It might have to, just to make travel possible to the EU. I meant them sharing it with us, we aren’t in the EU. As for us, as per my post above that all depends on availability of the vaccine for all, an example no under 16 at present is planned to receive it, does their life (and their families) remain on this island ? " I really don't know how it's going to pan out. I just think it's going to be tightened up a lot. | |||
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" Haha, I heard anti-vaxxers, won't fly in a new plane. Its gotta be 10years old, for some reason " | |||
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"I wouldn't worry. The chances of dying in a plane crash is 1 in 11 million can't see any anti-vaxers taking that risk anyway. Haha, I heard anti-vaxxers, won't fly in a new plane. Its gotta be 10years old, for some reason "Thats cos it burns more fule you dont see them in electric cars ether  | |||
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"I wouldn't worry. The chances of dying in a plane crash is 1 in 11 million can't see any anti-vaxers taking that risk anyway. Haha, I heard anti-vaxxers, won't fly in a new plane. Its gotta be 10years old, for some reason "
They have to make sure it doesnt crash in the first 10 years before been prepared to take a seat.
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"I wouldn't worry. The chances of dying in a plane crash is 1 in 11 million can't see any anti-vaxers taking that risk anyway. Haha, I heard anti-vaxxers, won't fly in a new plane. Its gotta be 10years old, for some reason "Good luck on 737 MAX | |||
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"I wouldn't worry. The chances of dying in a plane crash is 1 in 11 million can't see any anti-vaxers taking that risk anyway." Chortle chortle | |||
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"Definitely not must be against Human rights It's said it won't be public and only shared with other governments. No human rights laws stop it. And you believe they won’t share it ? They will share it. With the rest of the EU. They've said that. And there is never ever any data leaks ? If I was going to spend the time and effort breaching a system to get data then I'd want something more than a worthless list of idiots at the end of it." Could be useful to spammers and con artists, a list of those who'll believe anything. | |||
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"You actually only make yourselves look a bit childish with your remarks here honestly, listen to yourselves. Education not ridicule is how to show the way forward. Some people do have genuine fears and anxieties, do you really think these smart remarks help them? Assuming you'd want people to understand better that is or perhaps you don't because who would you have to make fun of and feel superior to? For heavens sake grow up and if you genuinely want to help people understand better then lead by example, not ridicule. " Sorry mum  | |||
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"You actually only make yourselves look a bit childish with your remarks here honestly, listen to yourselves. Education not ridicule is how to show the way forward. Some people do have genuine fears and anxieties, do you really think these smart remarks help them? Assuming you'd want people to understand better that is or perhaps you don't because who would you have to make fun of and feel superior to? For heavens sake grow up and if you genuinely want to help people understand better then lead by example, not ridicule. " Superb | |||
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"You actually only make yourselves look a bit childish with your remarks here honestly, listen to yourselves. Education not ridicule is how to show the way forward. Some people do have genuine fears and anxieties, do you really think these smart remarks help them? Assuming you'd want people to understand better that is or perhaps you don't because who would you have to make fun of and feel superior to? For heavens sake grow up and if you genuinely want to help people understand better then lead by example, not ridicule. "  | |||
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"Spain is settling up a registar of the folk who refuse the vaccine. It has said it will be shared with the rest of the EU. Should the uk follow suit? " This is not so different to the idea that people would need to "prove" they've been vaccinated. I also think that there is a big difference between "Anti Vaxxers" and people who choose not to be vaccinated. It would be a breach of peoples human rights to force them to be vaccinated, and although I am VERY pro vaccine, I also believe that people MUST be allowed to choose for themselves. Cal | |||
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"You actually only make yourselves look a bit childish with your remarks here honestly, listen to yourselves. Education not ridicule is how to show the way forward. Some people do have genuine fears and anxieties, do you really think these smart remarks help them? Assuming you'd want people to understand better that is or perhaps you don't because who would you have to make fun of and feel superior to? For heavens sake grow up and if you genuinely want to help people understand better then lead by example, not ridicule. " Great point. We all need to be a bit nicer to people with different opinions. It's allowed. | |||
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"Spain is settling up a registar of the folk who refuse the vaccine. It has said it will be shared with the rest of the EU. Should the uk follow suit? This is not so different to the idea that people would need to "prove" they've been vaccinated. I also think that there is a big difference between "Anti Vaxxers" and people who choose not to be vaccinated. It would be a breach of peoples human rights to force them to be vaccinated, and although I am VERY pro vaccine, I also believe that people MUST be allowed to choose for themselves. Cal" Totally agree. Nobody should be forced into it. But people need to understand that there are consequences to their decision | |||
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"Spain is settling up a registar of the folk who refuse the vaccine. It has said it will be shared with the rest of the EU. Should the uk follow suit? This is not so different to the idea that people would need to "prove" they've been vaccinated. I also think that there is a big difference between "Anti Vaxxers" and people who choose not to be vaccinated. It would be a breach of peoples human rights to force them to be vaccinated, and although I am VERY pro vaccine, I also believe that people MUST be allowed to choose for themselves. Cal ----- Totally agree. Nobody should be forced into it. But people need to understand that there are consequences to their decision " The ONLY consequence should be "not developing immunity", people should not be penalised for being scared. Are people penalised for not having Flu, Measles, Rubella, Mumps, Polio, Yellow Fever, or any other vaccination? Cal | |||
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"Spain is settling up a registar of the folk who refuse the vaccine. It has said it will be shared with the rest of the EU. Should the uk follow suit? This is not so different to the idea that people would need to "prove" they've been vaccinated. I also think that there is a big difference between "Anti Vaxxers" and people who choose not to be vaccinated. It would be a breach of peoples human rights to force them to be vaccinated, and although I am VERY pro vaccine, I also believe that people MUST be allowed to choose for themselves. Cal ----- Totally agree. Nobody should be forced into it. But people need to understand that there are consequences to their decision The ONLY consequence should be "not developing immunity", people should not be penalised for being scared. Are people penalised for not having Flu, Measles, Rubella, Mumps, Polio, Yellow Fever, or any other vaccination? Cal" It's common to be penalised. Some countries demand vaccinations as a condition of entry. | |||
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"Definitely not must be against Human rights It's said it won't be public and only shared with other governments. No human rights laws stop it. And you believe they won’t share it ? They will share it. With the rest of the EU. They've said that Not us then I don't know if the uk will follow. It might have to, just to make travel possible to the EU. I meant them sharing it with us, we aren’t in the EU. As for us, as per my post above that all depends on availability of the vaccine for all, an example no under 16 at present is planned to receive it, does their life (and their families) remain on this island ? I really don't know how it's going to pan out. I just think it's going to be tightened up a lot. " Likely it will be tightened up in places. As I’ve said, mute conversation for me until it all becomes clear what happens to those that aren’t even offered the vaccine. As with most things things regarding the virus, still so many unanswered questions which will take time to answer, no point surmising until all the facts are known. | |||
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"I think this thread has gone off topic. Should the uk follow suit? " Possibly. Depends what it will be used for. Right now I can't think of a good reason but in 12 months when most have been jabbed.... A reason may develop. | |||
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"Spain is settling up a registar of the folk who refuse the vaccine. It has said it will be shared with the rest of the EU. Should the uk follow suit? This is not so different to the idea that people would need to "prove" they've been vaccinated. I also think that there is a big difference between "Anti Vaxxers" and people who choose not to be vaccinated. It would be a breach of peoples human rights to force them to be vaccinated, and although I am VERY pro vaccine, I also believe that people MUST be allowed to choose for themselves. Cal ----- Totally agree. Nobody should be forced into it. But people need to understand that there are consequences to their decision The ONLY consequence should be "not developing immunity", people should not be penalised for being scared. Are people penalised for not having Flu, Measles, Rubella, Mumps, Polio, Yellow Fever, or any other vaccination? Cal --- It's common to be penalised. Some countries demand vaccinations as a condition of entry. " That's not really a penalty. Some countries may choose to not admit unvaccinated visitors, but I will be surprised, it tends to be a response to a geographic threat. As long as there is a covid issue around the world, a required negative test is more likely... especially when the perceived expectation of the length of immunity could range from "3 months" upwards. Cal | |||
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"I think this thread has gone off topic. Should the uk follow suit? " To be honest, it's not required. There WILL be a record of who has been vaccinated, if they're not on the list then they haven't been vaccinated. Cal | |||
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"Spain is settling up a registar of the folk who refuse the vaccine. It has said it will be shared with the rest of the EU. Should the uk follow suit? " Well I can see where they are going with this we may need to if we want to go for holidays in Europe a very good idea.I know most here will not agree,more room at the pool for me | |||
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"and the chances of you getting killed by medical error is 1 in 300 so maybe us anti vaxxers have a valid point ? If you were admitted to hospital tomorrow in any country... your chances of being subjected to an error in your care would be something like 1 in 10. Your chances of dying due to an error in health care would be 1 in 300,” Liam Donaldson, the WHO’s newly appointed envoy for patient safety, told a news briefing. This compared with a risk of dying in an air crash of about 1 in 10 million passengers, according to Donaldson, formerly England’s chief medical officer. “It shows that health care generally worldwide still has a long way to go,” he said. Hundreds of millions of people suffer infections linked to health care each year. Patients should ask questions and be part of decision-making in hospitals, which must use basic hygiene standards and WHO’s checklist to ensure safe surgical procedures were followed." Except you're not refusing medical care... you're having that whole heartedly. You're refusing vaccines so yeah still nowhere near valid. Ridiculous by any measure. | |||
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"and the chances of you getting killed by medical error is 1 in 300 so maybe us anti vaxxers have a valid point ? If you were admitted to hospital tomorrow in any country... your chances of being subjected to an error in your care would be something like 1 in 10. Your chances of dying due to an error in health care would be 1 in 300,” Liam Donaldson, the WHO’s newly appointed envoy for patient safety, told a news briefing. This compared with a risk of dying in an air crash of about 1 in 10 million passengers, according to Donaldson, formerly England’s chief medical officer. “It shows that health care generally worldwide still has a long way to go,” he said. Hundreds of millions of people suffer infections linked to health care each year. Patients should ask questions and be part of decision-making in hospitals, which must use basic hygiene standards and WHO’s checklist to ensure safe surgical procedures were followed." Hundreds of millions "suffer" injections? Bit dramatic, don't ya think? | |||
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"and the chances of you getting killed by medical error is 1 in 300 so maybe us anti vaxxers have a valid point ? If you were admitted to hospital tomorrow in any country... your chances of being subjected to an error in your care would be something like 1 in 10. Your chances of dying due to an error in health care would be 1 in 300,” Liam Donaldson, the WHO’s newly appointed envoy for patient safety, told a news briefing. This compared with a risk of dying in an air crash of about 1 in 10 million passengers, according to Donaldson, formerly England’s chief medical officer. “It shows that health care generally worldwide still has a long way to go,” he said. Hundreds of millions of people suffer infections linked to health care each year. Patients should ask questions and be part of decision-making in hospitals, which must use basic hygiene standards and WHO’s checklist to ensure safe surgical procedures were followed. Hundreds of millions "suffer" injections? Bit dramatic, don't ya think? " *infections * | |||
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"and the chances of you getting killed by medical error is 1 in 300 so maybe us anti vaxxers have a valid point ? If you were admitted to hospital tomorrow in any country... your chances of being subjected to an error in your care would be something like 1 in 10. Your chances of dying due to an error in health care would be 1 in 300,” Liam Donaldson, the WHO’s newly appointed envoy for patient safety, told a news briefing. This compared with a risk of dying in an air crash of about 1 in 10 million passengers, according to Donaldson, formerly England’s chief medical officer. “It shows that health care generally worldwide still has a long way to go,” he said. Hundreds of millions of people suffer infections linked to health care each year. Patients should ask questions and be part of decision-making in hospitals, which must use basic hygiene standards and WHO’s checklist to ensure safe surgical procedures were followed." It is easy to get on a board of govenors for any hospital I have been invited many times | |||
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"and the chances of you getting killed by medical error is 1 in 300 so maybe us anti vaxxers have a valid point ? If you were admitted to hospital tomorrow in any country... your chances of being subjected to an error in your care would be something like 1 in 10. Your chances of dying due to an error in health care would be 1 in 300,” Liam Donaldson, the WHO’s newly appointed envoy for patient safety, told a news briefing. This compared with a risk of dying in an air crash of about 1 in 10 million passengers, according to Donaldson, formerly England’s chief medical officer. “It shows that health care generally worldwide still has a long way to go,” he said. Hundreds of millions of people suffer infections linked to health care each year. Patients should ask questions and be part of decision-making in hospitals, which must use basic hygiene standards and WHO’s checklist to ensure safe surgical procedures were followed.It is easy to get on a board of govenors for any hospital I have been invited many times" Really  | |||
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"Definitely not must be against Human rights " Can't get into many countries without a yellow fever jab or a malaria jab. Your right to refuse and their right to refuse you. | |||
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"Definitely not must be against Human rights It's said it won't be public and only shared with other governments. No human rights laws stop it. And you believe they won’t share it ? They will share it. With the rest of the EU. They've said that. And there is never ever any data leaks ? " how often is your passport and drivers license leaked? and km sure your medical records are constantly all over the internet | |||
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"Definitely not must be against Human rights It's said it won't be public and only shared with other governments. No human rights laws stop it. And you believe they won’t share it ? They will share it. With the rest of the EU. They've said that. And there is never ever any data leaks ? how often is your passport and drivers license leaked? and km sure your medical records are constantly all over the internet" Your Passport and Drivers details have been shared across europe everytime you reach a border post. This will continue after Brexit too. | |||
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"Definitely not must be against Human rights " What about protecting everyone else's human rights? Why shouldn't there be a register for people who refuse to be vaccinated, due to personal choice. Soon you will need to be vaccinated to travel abroad. | |||
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"The vaccination only last about six months so what's all the fuss by the time the people that have been vacinated first will need another one and the people still waiting wil put more pressure on the system " There is absolutely no proof as to how long the vaccination will protect you for. Where is your evidence of this? | |||
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"Definitely not must be against Human rights It's said it won't be public and only shared with other governments. No human rights laws stop it. And you believe they won’t share it ? They will share it. With the rest of the EU. They've said that. And there is never ever any data leaks ? how often is your passport and drivers license leaked? and km sure your medical records are constantly all over the internet Your Passport and Drivers details have been shared across europe everytime you reach a border post. This will continue after Brexit too." yep , i cant see how this poses a greater risk | |||
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"Definitely not must be against Human rights It's said it won't be public and only shared with other governments. No human rights laws stop it. And you believe they won’t share it ? They will share it. With the rest of the EU. They've said that. And there is never ever any data leaks ? how often is your passport and drivers license leaked? and km sure your medical records are constantly all over the internet Your Passport and Drivers details have been shared across europe everytime you reach a border post. This will continue after Brexit too. yep , i cant see how this poses a greater risk " Neither do I lol. | |||
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"Spain is settling up a registar of the folk who refuse the vaccine. It has said it will be shared with the rest of the EU. Should the uk follow suit? This is not so different to the idea that people would need to "prove" they've been vaccinated. I also think that there is a big difference between "Anti Vaxxers" and people who choose not to be vaccinated. It would be a breach of peoples human rights to force them to be vaccinated, and although I am VERY pro vaccine, I also believe that people MUST be allowed to choose for themselves. Cal Totally agree. Nobody should be forced into it. But people need to understand that there are consequences to their decision " Yeah no one should be forced into it and equally no country should be forced to grant entry to everyone. It's perfectly acceptable for nations who are trying to control Covid in their country to only grant a visa to those who have been vaccinated. Don't think that's unreasonable at all. Those with medical exemptions are different, so a refusal list would be a good workaround for that. I'm sure not all countries would sign up to this, so you might get vaccine refusers going off to places like Tunisia instead of EU destinations. | |||
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"Definitely not must be against Human rights " Nope. The UN say that some human rights can be pushed aside in the case of a national emergency. | |||
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"You actually only make yourselves look a bit childish with your remarks here honestly, listen to yourselves. Education not ridicule is how to show the way forward. Some people do have genuine fears and anxieties, do you really think these smart remarks help them? Assuming you'd want people to understand better that is or perhaps you don't because who would you have to make fun of and feel superior to? For heavens sake grow up and if you genuinely want to help people understand better then lead by example, not ridicule. " Unfortunately most of the anti-vaxxers on here aren't in the "fears and anxieties" camp they're in the "What COVID? It doesn't exist because we want to be fucking everyone" camp. And 8/9 months of people trying to explain to them how serious the pandemic is hasn't made a jot of difference.
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"We won't take the vaccine inside info says don't,, so we won't be flying so we guess its a dinghy xx " Lols @ 'inside info'  | |||
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"It should be used to refuse treatment for covid19 to anyone who refused the vaccine " if thats the case i hope those people will be refunded any money they have payed the nhs over the years.lets go even further.u smoke no treatment for any smoking related illness have health issues because u eat to much sorry piss off.your a junkie whos overdosed sorry mate your own fault | |||
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"Definitely not must be against Human rights It's said it won't be public and only shared with other governments. No human rights laws stop it. And you believe they won’t share it ? They will share it. With the rest of the EU. They've said that. And there is never ever any data leaks ? If I was going to spend the time and effort breaching a system to get data then I'd want something more than a worthless list of idiots at the end of it." | |||
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"It should be used to refuse treatment for covid19 to anyone who refused the vaccine if thats the case i hope those people will be refunded any money they have payed the nhs over the years.lets go even further.u smoke no treatment for any smoking related illness have health issues because u eat to much sorry piss off.your a junkie whos overdosed sorry mate your own fault" Rather extreme but people being "helped" with carrot and stick to take some responsibility for their choices wouldn't be a bad thing. | |||
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"Spain is settling up a registar of the folk who refuse the vaccine. It has said it will be shared with the rest of the EU. Should the uk follow suit? " They are merely registering non uptake so they can monitor how many do not. If there is not enough uptake a vaccine then becomes useless. Spain has a proliferation of the new variant | |||
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"Spain is settling up a registar of the folk who refuse the vaccine. It has said it will be shared with the rest of the EU. Should the uk follow suit? They are merely registering non uptake so they can monitor how many do not. If there is not enough uptake a vaccine then becomes useless. Spain has a proliferation of the new variant" My understanding is that every country will have some sort of register of who has been administered the vaccine, common practice in the administration of medication. Thereby a default list of those who haven't. | |||
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"Spain is settling up a registar of the folk who refuse the vaccine. It has said it will be shared with the rest of the EU. Should the uk follow suit? They are merely registering non uptake so they can monitor how many do not. If there is not enough uptake a vaccine then becomes useless. Spain has a proliferation of the new variant My understanding is that every country will have some sort of register of who has been administered the vaccine, common practice in the administration of medication. Thereby a default list of those who haven't. " I would say you’re probably right and no reason why they shouldn’t. After all, should there be an outbreak after vaccines have been administered they will want to know if you did or didn’t | |||
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" I would say you’re probably right and no reason why they shouldn’t. After all, should there be an outbreak after vaccines have been administered they will want to know if you did or didn’t " This ^ it’s one of those unanswered questions, has it worked and if so how long did the level of protection last | |||
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"The Spanish have used the term "refusal list". I presume medically exempt, would be different? " You would hope so, is that then another list, so three lists in total | |||
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"The Spanish have used the term "refusal list". I presume medically exempt, would be different? You would hope so, is that then another list, so three lists in total " And a list of people to administer the lists, cripes, it's more complex than first meets the eye | |||
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" My understanding is that every country will have some sort of register of who has been administered the vaccine, common practice in the administration of medication. Thereby a default list of those who haven't. " Your GP has a record of all your vaccinations from childhood onwards, so not adding the covid vaccine to it is unlikely. | |||
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"The Spanish have used the term "refusal list". I presume medically exempt, would be different? You would hope so, is that then another list, so three lists in total And a list of people to administer the lists, cripes, it's more complex than first meets the eye "But on the plus side could provide employment opportunities to administer it .... now imagine if it’s not a one stop (well two stop) jab and needs to be completed yearly.... | |||
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"I wish the Brit government would make a law that once you’ve had it, then the data goes into yr British passport or driving licence ... bolox to human rights in this case ... I love travelling and have no prob that the vaccination is registered on a data base and shared to all border agencies.... fuck the revolution "I'm sorry, but if you say "bolox to human rights in this case" then those rights are gone for everything. People really must have the choice. It is completely fine for countries to impose entry requirements (eg vaccines), because people have the choice not to visit those countries. Forcing people to accept a vaccine if they don't want it is just not acceptable, and the sort of behaviour which could be the start of a slippery slope. What's next... mandatory sterilisation of people with genetic disorders, or maybe compulsory contraceptive injections for people with a low IQ. Cal | |||
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"I wish the Brit government would make a law that once you’ve had it, then the data goes into yr British passport or driving licence ... bolox to human rights in this case ... I love travelling and have no prob that the vaccination is registered on a data base and shared to all border agencies.... fuck the revolution
I'm sorry, but if you say "bolox to human rights in this case" then those rights are gone for everything. People really must have the choice.
It is completely fine for countries to impose entry requirements (eg vaccines), because people have the choice not to visit those countries. Forcing people to accept a vaccine if they don't want it is just not acceptable, and the sort of behaviour which could be the start of a slippery slope. What's next... mandatory sterilisation of people with genetic disorders, or maybe compulsory contraceptive injections for people with a low IQ.
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"I wish the Brit government would make a law that once you’ve had it, then the data goes into yr British passport or driving licence ... bolox to human rights in this case ... I love travelling and have no prob that the vaccination is registered on a data base and shared to all border agencies.... fuck the revolution
I'm sorry, but if you say "bolox to human rights in this case" then those rights are gone for everything. People really must have the choice.
It is completely fine for countries to impose entry requirements (eg vaccines), because people have the choice not to visit those countries. Forcing people to accept a vaccine if they don't want it is just not acceptable, and the sort of behaviour which could be the start of a slippery slope. What's next... mandatory sterilisation of people with genetic disorders, or maybe compulsory contraceptive injections for people with a low IQ.
Cal"Agree. Your right to refuse it - and a countries right to refuse you entry. And that's as far as it should go. But I do suspect that an anti-vaxxer would change their minds if say they holiday mostly in Europe and then the whole of Europe decides it's required lol. | |||
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"Spain is settling up a registar of the folk who refuse the vaccine. It has said it will be shared with the rest of the EU. Should the uk follow suit? They are merely registering non uptake so they can monitor how many do not. If there is not enough uptake a vaccine then becomes useless. Spain has a proliferation of the new variant My understanding is that every country will have some sort of register of who has been administered the vaccine, common practice in the administration of medication. Thereby a default list of those who haven't. " Not exactly. You've got all the undocumented unregistered.. Ie you don't know what you don't know as someone famous once said. | |||
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"I wish the Brit government would make a law that once you’ve had it, then the data goes into yr British passport or driving licence ... bolox to human rights in this case ... I love travelling and have no prob that the vaccination is registered on a data base and shared to all border agencies.... fuck the revolution
I'm sorry, but if you say "bolox to human rights in this case" then those rights are gone for everything. People really must have the choice.
It is completely fine for countries to impose entry requirements (eg vaccines), because people have the choice not to visit those countries. Forcing people to accept a vaccine if they don't want it is just not acceptable, and the sort of behaviour which could be the start of a slippery slope. What's next... mandatory sterilisation of people with genetic disorders, or maybe compulsory contraceptive injections for people with a low IQ.
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Agree. Your right to refuse it - and a countries right to refuse you entry. And that's as far as it should go.
But I do suspect that an anti-vaxxer would change their minds if say they holiday mostly in Europe and then the whole of Europe decides it's required lol.
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"I wish the Brit government would make a law that once you’ve had it, then the data goes into yr British passport or driving licence ... bolox to human rights in this case ... I love travelling and have no prob that the vaccination is registered on a data base and shared to all border agencies.... fuck the revolution
I'm sorry, but if you say "bolox to human rights in this case" then those rights are gone for everything. People really must have the choice.
It is completely fine for countries to impose entry requirements (eg vaccines), because people have the choice not to visit those countries. Forcing people to accept a vaccine if they don't want it is just not acceptable, and the sort of behaviour which could be the start of a slippery slope. What's next... mandatory sterilisation of people with genetic disorders, or maybe compulsory contraceptive injections for people with a low IQ.
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Agree. Your right to refuse it - and a countries right to refuse you entry. And that's as far as it should go.
But I do suspect that an anti-vaxxer would change their minds if say they holiday mostly in Europe and then the whole of Europe decides it's required lol.
"I personally totally intend to have the vaccine, I even think that everyone "should" have it, I'm just against making people have it. Cal | |||
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" I personally totally intend to have the vaccine, I even think that everyone "should" have it, I'm just against making people have it. Cal" Me too. And I'm happy for others who don't have it to send me cards thanking me for protecting them from the virus lol. | |||
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"Spain is settling up a registar of the folk who refuse the vaccine. It has said it will be shared with the rest of the EU. Should the uk follow suit? " clever thinking on the behalf of the Spanish government | |||
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"You actually only make yourselves look a bit childish with your remarks here honestly, listen to yourselves. Education not ridicule is how to show the way forward. Some people do have genuine fears and anxieties, do you really think these smart remarks help them? Assuming you'd want people to understand better that is or perhaps you don't because who would you have to make fun of and feel superior to? For heavens sake grow up and if you genuinely want to help people understand better then lead by example, not ridicule. Unfortunately most of the anti-vaxxers on here aren't in the "fears and anxieties" camp they're in the "What COVID? It doesn't exist because we want to be fucking everyone" camp. And 8/9 months of people trying to explain to them how serious the pandemic is hasn't made a jot of difference.
Not sure there are any people trying to feel superior to anyone else either. I think we're all just a little frustrated that some people refuse to listen to experts but they're more than happy to quote loons off YouTube, Facebook or Twitter."Exactly. After all this time and they're still talking about bill gates, wef, great reset blah blah blah. They don't believe anything unless it's their favourite youtuber or a Facebook repost. | |||
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"We won't take the vaccine inside info says don't,, so we won't be flying so we guess its a dinghy xx " I would like to know what reputable information says don’t take the vaccine! We all know that anything we do has some risk associated to it and taking any medication or vaccine is no different but nearly 1 in 1000 in the UK have already died of COVID and thousands more have life changing illnesses and no doubt many more will die. Well over a million people worldwide have already had the Pfizer vaccine, a handful have had serious reactions but no one has died. I know which odds I prefer. | |||
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"Spain is settling up a registar of the folk who refuse the vaccine. It has said it will be shared with the rest of the EU. Should the uk follow suit? They are merely registering non uptake so they can monitor how many do not. If there is not enough uptake a vaccine then becomes useless. Spain has a proliferation of the new variant My understanding is that every country will have some sort of register of who has been administered the vaccine, common practice in the administration of medication. Thereby a default list of those who haven't. Not exactly. You've got all the undocumented unregistered.. Ie you don't know what you don't know as someone famous once said. " True, but they won't have been vaccinated so they won't be on the list. | |||
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"Definitely not must be against Human rights " But its against my Human Rights or anyone else's if they contract and give someone else the virus. Only exception should be medical grounds. | |||
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"Definitely not must be against Human rights " how must it ? | |||
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" Let's call it a ' duty of care' and that being that ' liberties' afforded to everyone else are not included for people who can't prove they are 'safe' .. flying and leaving the country particularly should not be allowed . " Why? If the person who takes vaccine is protected. The person who decides not to take it puts own life in dangoure, and others who decide the same. | |||
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" Let's call it a ' duty of care' and that being that ' liberties' afforded to everyone else are not included for people who can't prove they are 'safe' .. flying and leaving the country particularly should not be allowed . Why? If the person who takes vaccine is protected. The person who decides not to take it puts own life in dangoure, and others who decide the same. " The vaccinated can still act as carriers for the virus and pass it on to others. Also it won't prevent them from catching it either. It will lessen symptoms though. | |||
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" Let's call it a ' duty of care' and that being that ' liberties' afforded to everyone else are not included for people who can't prove they are 'safe' .. flying and leaving the country particularly should not be allowed . Why? If the person who takes vaccine is protected. The person who decides not to take it puts own life in dangoure, and others who decide the same. The vaccinated can still act as carriers for the virus and pass it on to others. Also it won't prevent them from catching it either. It will lessen symptoms though. " So vaccination doesn't make sense. | |||
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" Let's call it a ' duty of care' and that being that ' liberties' afforded to everyone else are not included for people who can't prove they are 'safe' .. flying and leaving the country particularly should not be allowed . Why? If the person who takes vaccine is protected. The person who decides not to take it puts own life in dangoure, and others who decide the same. The vaccinated can still act as carriers for the virus and pass it on to others. Also it won't prevent them from catching it either. It will lessen symptoms though. " actually the science on transmission after vaccination is still not know yet | |||
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" Let's call it a ' duty of care' and that being that ' liberties' afforded to everyone else are not included for people who can't prove they are 'safe' .. flying and leaving the country particularly should not be allowed . Why? If the person who takes vaccine is protected. The person who decides not to take it puts own life in dangoure, and others who decide the same. The vaccinated can still act as carriers for the virus and pass it on to others. Also it won't prevent them from catching it either. It will lessen symptoms though. So vaccination doesn't make sense. " I didn't say that. | |||
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" Let's call it a ' duty of care' and that being that ' liberties' afforded to everyone else are not included for people who can't prove they are 'safe' .. flying and leaving the country particularly should not be allowed . Why? If the person who takes vaccine is protected. The person who decides not to take it puts own life in dangoure, and others who decide the same. The vaccinated can still act as carriers for the virus and pass it on to others. Also it won't prevent them from catching it either. It will lessen symptoms though. actually the science on transmission after vaccination is still not know yet " Neither are the long term effects of covid or the vaccination. | |||
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" Let's call it a ' duty of care' and that being that ' liberties' afforded to everyone else are not included for people who can't prove they are 'safe' .. flying and leaving the country particularly should not be allowed . Why? If the person who takes vaccine is protected. The person who decides not to take it puts own life in dangoure, and others who decide the same. The vaccinated can still act as carriers for the virus and pass it on to others. Also it won't prevent them from catching it either. It will lessen symptoms though. actually the science on transmission after vaccination is still not know yet Neither are the long term effects of covid or the vaccination. " How the long time effects can be known after such a short time? | |||
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" Let's call it a ' duty of care' and that being that ' liberties' afforded to everyone else are not included for people who can't prove they are 'safe' .. flying and leaving the country particularly should not be allowed . Why? If the person who takes vaccine is protected. The person who decides not to take it puts own life in dangoure, and others who decide the same. The vaccinated can still act as carriers for the virus and pass it on to others. Also it won't prevent them from catching it either. It will lessen symptoms though. actually the science on transmission after vaccination is still not know yet Neither are the long term effects of covid or the vaccination. How the long time effects can be known after such a short time? " They can't. I was just pointing it out in response to your post. | |||
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" Let's call it a ' duty of care' and that being that ' liberties' afforded to everyone else are not included for people who can't prove they are 'safe' .. flying and leaving the country particularly should not be allowed . Why? If the person who takes vaccine is protected. The person who decides not to take it puts own life in dangoure, and others who decide the same. The vaccinated can still act as carriers for the virus and pass it on to others. Also it won't prevent them from catching it either. It will lessen symptoms though. actually the science on transmission after vaccination is still not know yet Neither are the long term effects of covid or the vaccination. " well let's hope the vaccine stops putting ppl in hospital and some dying and the lockdowns ending and the economy revives given time  jvt said yesterday it will probably be a couple of months yet before the effect of the vaccine can be more stringently assessed , regarding the long term effects of the vaccine I will take my chances | |||
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" Let's call it a ' duty of care' and that being that ' liberties' afforded to everyone else are not included for people who can't prove they are 'safe' .. flying and leaving the country particularly should not be allowed . Why? If the person who takes vaccine is protected. The person who decides not to take it puts own life in dangoure, and others who decide the same. The vaccinated can still act as carriers for the virus and pass it on to others. Also it won't prevent them from catching it either. It will lessen symptoms though. actually the science on transmission after vaccination is still not know yet Neither are the long term effects of covid or the vaccination. well let's hope the vaccine stops putting ppl in hospital and some dying and the lockdowns ending and the economy revives given time jvt said yesterday it will probably be a couple of months yet before the effect of the vaccine can be more stringently assessed , regarding the long term effects of the vaccine I will take my chances "Agreed. We are learning new things every day. Hopefully 2021 will be a better year. | |||
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" They can't. I was just pointing it out in response to your post. " Hold on, how do you know there are long time effects of covid? Are you just assuming there are any? | |||
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"Definitely not must be against Human rights It's said it won't be public and only shared with other governments. No human rights laws stop it. And you believe they won’t share it ? They will share it. With the rest of the EU. They've said that. And there is never ever any data leaks ? If I was going to spend the time and effort breaching a system to get data then I'd want something more than a worthless list of idiots at the end of it." You now owe me a cup of tea and a keyboard.
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"Definitely not must be against Human rights It's said it won't be public and only shared with other governments. No human rights laws stop it. And you believe they won’t share it ? They will share it. With the rest of the EU. They've said that. And there is never ever any data leaks ? If I was going to spend the time and effort breaching a system to get data then I'd want something more than a worthless list of idiots at the end of it. You now owe me a cup of tea and a keyboard.
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" They can't. I was just pointing it out in response to your post. Hold on, how do you know there are long time effects of covid? Are you just assuming there are any? " I had it a few mths ago, I'm still not right now, so I only know about what it feels like after a few mths. Also depends how long long term is, mths, years, decades? Perhaps you could stop nitpicking my posts now. | |||
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"I would not be surprised if in future you will not able to enter a country unless you have a valid certificate to prove you have been inoculated against Covid or have an exception certificate " Just like the old days then, some countries still insist on certain inoculations. | |||
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"Spain is settling up a registar of the folk who refuse the vaccine. It has said it will be shared with the rest of the EU. Should the uk follow suit? " Franco would be ever so proud | |||
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"Definitely not must be against Human rights It's said it won't be public and only shared with other governments. No human rights laws stop it. And you believe they won’t share it ? They will share it. With the rest of the EU. They've said that. And there is never ever any data leaks ? If I was going to spend the time and effort breaching a system to get data then I'd want something more than a worthless list of idiots at the end of it. You now owe me a cup of tea and a keyboard.
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