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By *ackformore100 OP   Man
over a year ago

Tin town

OK, a virus thread with a difference please. Positive. Solutions. Suggestions to make it better. We moan a lot about how crap other people are and policies. So let's have some ideas of how we can wake this gimp up and make 2021 better than 2020.

Now as a thought provoker...we test 500k per day and 90% are negative. In 10 days that's 5m.. In a month 15m tests.... 13.5m are negative. Can't we find a way to get the 13.5m testing negative out of restrictions?

Try and keep it positive

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

Ensure everyone who has tested negative wears a tag of the type worn by offenders. Anyone without one must stay inside their home. Everyone with one may continue their lives with pre covid freedoms.

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By *entleman JackMan
over a year ago

Loughborough

Stop testing perfectly healthy fit happy people every few days with tests that are proven to be inaccurate. I.E Universities etc.......

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By *abbey newMan
over a year ago

Newtownabbey


"Ensure everyone who has tested negative wears a tag of the type worn by offenders. Anyone without one must stay inside their home. Everyone with one may continue their lives with pre covid freedoms. "
lunatic you are

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By *lam rockerMan
over a year ago

Tain

testing negative today does not mean you are not positive tomorrow. Test, test, test - wait till the vaccine rolls out though - if 55 million people need it and they do one million vaccines a week (that's two million jabs a week after week two or three), then it will take over a year to vaccinate everyone sensible enough to be vaccinated. Expect restrictions for at least that period of time.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"OK, a virus thread with a difference please. Positive. Solutions. Suggestions to make it better. We moan a lot about how crap other people are and policies. So let's have some ideas of how we can wake this gimp up and make 2021 better than 2020.

Now as a thought provoker...we test 500k per day and 90% are negative. In 10 days that's 5m.. In a month 15m tests.... 13.5m are negative. Can't we find a way to get the 13.5m testing negative out of restrictions?

Try and keep it positive "

There are several issues. Firstly, there is a delay in testing. You can take a test now and put it in the post. By the time you get back from the post box, you could have touched something or someone and collected the virus. The test comes back negative tommorow but you have been infected.

Secondly you would need to ensure that there is no mingling of those who tested negative with those who haven't been tested.

Another issue is how do you isolate the infected ones from the others. Newzealand posed the idea of moving anyone who tests positive into a secure hotel until they're clean, but this was likened to "Nazi Internment camps".

You also have the issue of ensuring that none of the "key workers" that need to deal with those infected get contaminated themselves.

On top of all that, you have to some how deal with all the people who refuse to stick to the rules because they believe it's all a conspiracy to enslave them.

It "could" be done, but we've seen how good our government have been so far, do you think they're upto a much more complicated task like this?

Cal

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

Vaccinate everyone ASAP

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford


"Stop testing perfectly healthy fit happy people every few days with tests that are proven to be inaccurate. I.E Universities etc....... "

Just how inaccurate do you believe tests to be, what is the false positive rate? I know care workers who have been tested weekly all year. From 100 tests between them there has been 1 false positive proves negative on a retest. Yes there are false positives but from a daily 30,000 positives less than 500 are false positives I am sure.

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By *ackformore100 OP   Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Ensure everyone who has tested negative wears a tag of the type worn by offenders. Anyone without one must stay inside their home. Everyone with one may continue their lives with pre covid freedoms. "

We've pretty much all got "wearable tags" haven't we? In our mobile phones... I wonder if there's some kind of app that can help. Technology can tell us all kinds of useless crap.... Hopefully it can tell us something useful to enable a level of normality... Techies?

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings


"testing negative today does not mean you are not positive tomorrow. Test, test, test - wait till the vaccine rolls out though - if 55 million people need it and they do one million vaccines a week (that's two million jabs a week after week two or three), then it will take over a year to vaccinate everyone sensible enough to be vaccinated. Expect restrictions for at least that period of time.

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You think we can get to 400,000 a day on a five day week.

There has to be some sort of way to let negative people do more but the positive don't know they are positive. So we would need much more testing.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings


"OK, a virus thread with a difference please. Positive. Solutions. Suggestions to make it better. We moan a lot about how crap other people are and policies. So let's have some ideas of how we can wake this gimp up and make 2021 better than 2020.

Now as a thought provoker...we test 500k per day and 90% are negative. In 10 days that's 5m.. In a month 15m tests.... 13.5m are negative. Can't we find a way to get the 13.5m testing negative out of restrictions?

Try and keep it positive "

Now if we stoped testing and vaccinated 500k a day that would be a turning point.

But can the rest of the world follow?

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"Ensure everyone who has tested negative wears a tag of the type worn by offenders. Anyone without one must stay inside their home. Everyone with one may continue their lives with pre covid freedoms.

We've pretty much all got "wearable tags" haven't we? In our mobile phones... I wonder if there's some kind of app that can help. Technology can tell us all kinds of useless crap.... Hopefully it can tell us something useful to enable a level of normality... Techies? "

Ah, I see where you're going with this. Yes, we do have wearable tags. Maybe the idea of "the app" will be resurrected. What happened to track and trace and the app? It's all gone very quiet

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

But even at 500,000/day with 2 lots it will be a year.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"OK, a virus thread with a difference please. Positive. Solutions. Suggestions to make it better. We moan a lot about how crap other people are and policies. So let's have some ideas of how we can wake this gimp up and make 2021 better than 2020.

Now as a thought provoker...we test 500k per day and 90% are negative. In 10 days that's 5m.. In a month 15m tests.... 13.5m are negative. Can't we find a way to get the 13.5m testing negative out of restrictions?

Try and keep it positive

Now if we stoped testing and vaccinated 500k a day that would be a turning point.

But can the rest of the world follow?"

i think once we have enough stock of the vaccine and the personnel to do the injections/ observations we should 100% cut back testing to focus on vaccinations , it means test sites can be repurposed as vaccination sites, student nurses who are helping at test sites can be used at vaccine sites instead etc etc

i know testing is important but its monitoring, the vaccine is prevention... testing can be picked back up again following a push for vaccines and at that point you would hope he tearing is really just proving to us the vaccines worked and numbers are now way down

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ensure everyone who has tested negative wears a tag of the type worn by offenders. Anyone without one must stay inside their home. Everyone with one may continue their lives with pre covid freedoms.

We've pretty much all got "wearable tags" haven't we? In our mobile phones... I wonder if there's some kind of app that can help. Technology can tell us all kinds of useless crap.... Hopefully it can tell us something useful to enable a level of normality... Techies? "

We have the app in the states to let us know if we near someone who had it or has it

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By *atnip make me purrWoman
over a year ago

Reading

Mass testing and effective track and trace. Let's look at the countries who have done this well.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Testing negative today may mean you are positive and presymptomatic or will become asymptomatic, once it's fully infected you.

Many of the tests are sent in the post, so don't involve lots of physical work, except in for lab.

We need to isolate the infected as quickly as possible after their infection, which means that we should pay them, for our benefit, to stay away from others.

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire


"Ensure everyone who has tested negative wears a tag of the type worn by offenders. Anyone without one must stay inside their home. Everyone with one may continue their lives with pre covid freedoms.

We've pretty much all got "wearable tags" haven't we? In our mobile phones... I wonder if there's some kind of app that can help. Technology can tell us all kinds of useless crap.... Hopefully it can tell us something useful to enable a level of normality... Techies? "

Off the top of my head, a tech solution would be not to rely on just handsets.

Use the networks to triangulate locations of handsets and then use the handsets themselves to do the last bit - proximity and duration.

Throw some AI into the equation to differentiate false positives (like sat in a car in traffic or being less than 2m away but in two different buildings).

Get the handset OS manufacturers to design the software and don't let any government employee anywhere near the design or implementation phase.

One tech drawback is that the accuracy in towns and cities would be far higher than rural and suburban areas.

Probably not ideal as this is a 'back of a fag packet' idea, but as what we have as a 'world leading' product is absolutely awful....

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings


"OK, a virus thread with a difference please. Positive. Solutions. Suggestions to make it better. We moan a lot about how crap other people are and policies. So let's have some ideas of how we can wake this gimp up and make 2021 better than 2020.

Now as a thought provoker...we test 500k per day and 90% are negative. In 10 days that's 5m.. In a month 15m tests.... 13.5m are negative. Can't we find a way to get the 13.5m testing negative out of restrictions?

Try and keep it positive

Now if we stoped testing and vaccinated 500k a day that would be a turning point.

But can the rest of the world follow?

i think once we have enough stock of the vaccine and the personnel to do the injections/ observations we should 100% cut back testing to focus on vaccinations , it means test sites can be repurposed as vaccination sites, student nurses who are helping at test sites can be used at vaccine sites instead etc etc

i know testing is important but its monitoring, the vaccine is prevention... testing can be picked back up again following a push for vaccines and at that point you would hope he tearing is really just proving to us the vaccines worked and numbers are now way down "

I also wonder how meny retired would help with vaccination it's not a physical job like working in a hospitals?

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple
over a year ago

Broadstairs


"Ensure everyone who has tested negative wears a tag of the type worn by offenders. Anyone without one must stay inside their home. Everyone with one may continue their lives with pre covid freedoms. "
Lets all sign in at a police station everyday , and have cameras in our homes so they can observe us

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

Well the answer is actually 42.

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke


"Ensure everyone who has tested negative wears a tag of the type worn by offenders. Anyone without one must stay inside their home. Everyone with one may continue their lives with pre covid freedoms. Lets all sign in at a police station everyday , and have cameras in our homes so they can observe us "

Looking out of the window to remind myself that it's a full-moon.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings


"Ensure everyone who has tested negative wears a tag of the type worn by offenders. Anyone without one must stay inside their home. Everyone with one may continue their lives with pre covid freedoms. Lets all sign in at a police station everyday , and have cameras in our homes so they can observe us

Looking out of the window to remind myself that it's a full-moon."
and a cold one at that

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke


"Ensure everyone who has tested negative wears a tag of the type worn by offenders. Anyone without one must stay inside their home. Everyone with one may continue their lives with pre covid freedoms. Lets all sign in at a police station everyday , and have cameras in our homes so they can observe us

Looking out of the window to remind myself that it's a full-moon. and a cold one at that "

And deep in snow here.

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By *ackformore100 OP   Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Ensure everyone who has tested negative wears a tag of the type worn by offenders. Anyone without one must stay inside their home. Everyone with one may continue their lives with pre covid freedoms. Lets all sign in at a police station everyday , and have cameras in our homes so they can observe us "

Some people find it extremely difficult to say anything constructive. Let's try and keep it positive folks. There's more than enough virus threads to maintain your daily dose of sarcasm and hostility

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple
over a year ago

Broadstairs

Tier 5 lock your doors hide under your bed, no looking people directly in the eye , eat only steamed cabbage and leave the house only to check your bins have been emptied- which they won’t because the dustman is hiding under his bed with a cabbage, only fully come out when the Bank repossess your house

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By *ackformore100 OP   Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Tier 5 lock your doors hide under your bed, no looking people directly in the eye , eat only steamed cabbage and leave the house only to check your bins have been emptied- which they won’t because the dustman is hiding under his bed with a cabbage, only fully come out when the Bank repossess your house "

Great thanks for your awesome input.

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple
over a year ago

Broadstairs


"Tier 5 lock your doors hide under your bed, no looking people directly in the eye , eat only steamed cabbage and leave the house only to check your bins have been emptied- which they won’t because the dustman is hiding under his bed with a cabbage, only fully come out when the Bank repossess your house

Great thanks for your awesome input. "
And thank you for yours

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By *ye-spyMan
over a year ago

London

Have a centralised set of covid data and publish it for all to see.

The government has put together the SAGE group so they should put together a similar group of sceptics who are trained in specializations related to Covid.

Every week they should have a debate streamed online.

Government should use the debate to inform their decisions.

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By *al-TeaserCouple
over a year ago

Stoke-on-Trent


"Stop testing perfectly healthy fit happy people every few days with tests that are proven to be inaccurate. I.E Universities etc....... "

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By *al-TeaserCouple
over a year ago

Stoke-on-Trent


"Have a centralised set of covid data and publish it for all to see.

The government has put together the SAGE group so they should put together a similar group of sceptics who are trained in specializations related to Covid.

Every week they should have a debate streamed online.

Government should use the debate to inform their decisions."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oxford Vaccine will be approved sooner rahter than later

Vaccines will be pushed out at a minimum of 100,000 a day .

Anyone who refuses the vaccine without medical reasoning, but because of free choice or thinking they are being chipped

Should be shot at dawn or fed to the lions at Longleat Zoo .

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire


"Have a centralised set of covid data and publish it for all to see.

The government has put together the SAGE group so they should put together a similar group of sceptics who are trained in specializations related to Covid.

Every week they should have a debate streamed online.

Government should use the debate to inform their decisions."

But sceptics and experts will never agree so that's a lot of work for no result.

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By *exy Pretty FeetCouple
over a year ago

Live in Scotland Play in England

What about evaluating a persons immune status so people who look after themselves well and feel healthy have some reassurance that they have a pretty robust immune system... just knowing this is surely better than being made to live in fear of one another?

I'm not saying this is a protective measure but it's surely a proactive one?

I would happily take immune system profiling over shoddy covid testing any day

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford


"Have a centralised set of covid data and publish it for all to see.

The government has put together the SAGE group so they should put together a similar group of sceptics who are trained in specializations related to Covid.

Every week they should have a debate streamed online.

Government should use the debate to inform their decisions."

Anyone still sceptical about the existence of this pandemic is not bright enough to offer any useful light on the subject... debating different points of view regards the best way through is a different matter. I don’t believe there is a right way only a least wrong way!

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings


"What about evaluating a persons immune status so people who look after themselves well and feel healthy have some reassurance that they have a pretty robust immune system... just knowing this is surely better than being made to live in fear of one another?

I'm not saying this is a protective measure but it's surely a proactive one?

I would happily take immune system profiling over shoddy covid testing any day"

This sounds grate can i have my T cells tested at the same time.

they cant keep up with testing as it is but it would work if there was a Lab in every Big town.

Again by now i think there should be a lab in each town but i guess its down to staff.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings


"Have a centralised set of covid data and publish it for all to see.

The government has put together the SAGE group so they should put together a similar group of sceptics who are trained in specializations related to Covid.

Every week they should have a debate streamed online.

Government should use the debate to inform their decisions.

Anyone still sceptical about the existence of this pandemic is not bright enough to offer any useful light on the subject... debating different points of view regards the best way through is a different matter. I don’t believe there is a right way only a least wrong way!"

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford


"Stop testing perfectly healthy fit happy people every few days with tests that are proven to be inaccurate. I.E Universities etc.......

"

Will people stop propagating this bollox! What is the false positive rate of PCR test? I will keep repeating myself. I know people who are tested weekly, between them they have had over 100 tests and only 1 positive result. Explain why recently we are seeing nearly twice as many positives from a similar number of tests. If you believe there is a high proportion of false positives in the test results you are very very mistaken.

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By *ackformore100 OP   Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Have a centralised set of covid data and publish it for all to see.

The government has put together the SAGE group so they should put together a similar group of sceptics who are trained in specializations related to Covid.

Every week they should have a debate streamed online.

Government should use the debate to inform their decisions."

I like that. If nothing else it would hopefully debunk a lot of misinformation. Kind of like. A covid question time...

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I would keep shopping to 1 person from any household maximum. As the new variant is much more infectious, having a group of people, if 1 is infected, they likely all will be. Several people together will release a substantial volume of the virus, which will be densely associated around them. It may take just a few minutes to acquire enough of the virus to infect someone. As we get to to move restrictive tiers, the social congregation and virus exchange will be largely in shops.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings


"I would keep shopping to 1 person from any household maximum. As the new variant is much more infectious, having a group of people, if 1 is infected, they likely all will be. Several people together will release a substantial volume of the virus, which will be densely associated around them. It may take just a few minutes to acquire enough of the virus to infect someone. As we get to to move restrictive tiers, the social congregation and virus exchange will be largely in shops. "

So you don't think schools will be a problem at all

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By *m389Man
over a year ago

Bromley

We should put some emphasis on things like ventilation. Social distancing is good but if everyone breathes that same air then chances of infection increases.

Open windows to allow good circulation. In commercial buildings, proper filters should be installed. When in public transport, open the windows.

Read about far UVC light a while ago. Could we potentially have light bulbs that kill the virus while being safe for us?

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL


"I would keep shopping to 1 person from any household maximum. As the new variant is much more infectious, having a group of people, if 1 is infected, they likely all will be. Several people together will release a substantial volume of the virus, which will be densely associated around them. It may take just a few minutes to acquire enough of the virus to infect someone. As we get to to move restrictive tiers, the social congregation and virus exchange will be largely in shops. "

Some people need help with their shopping for physical or mental health reasons. They may also not be able to do this online or even get a delivery slot.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Have a centralised set of covid data and publish it for all to see.

The government has put together the SAGE group so they should put together a similar group of sceptics who are trained in specializations related to Covid.

Every week they should have a debate streamed online.

Government should use the debate to inform their decisions."

Good entertainment if nothing else, watching sceptics get blown out of the water by people who know what they're talking about

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"I would keep shopping to 1 person from any household maximum. As the new variant is much more infectious, having a group of people, if 1 is infected, they likely all will be. Several people together will release a substantial volume of the virus, which will be densely associated around them. It may take just a few minutes to acquire enough of the virus to infect someone. As we get to to move restrictive tiers, the social congregation and virus exchange will be largely in shops.

So you don't think schools will be a problem at all "

I added in 1 thing that I thought may be useful m. It was not proposed to be exhaustive.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"I would keep shopping to 1 person from any household maximum. As the new variant is much more infectious, having a group of people, if 1 is infected, they likely all will be. Several people together will release a substantial volume of the virus, which will be densely associated around them. It may take just a few minutes to acquire enough of the virus to infect someone. As we get to to move restrictive tiers, the social congregation and virus exchange will be largely in shops.

Some people need help with their shopping for physical or mental health reasons. They may also not be able to do this online or even get a delivery slot. "

I would support them being able to continue to shop with support companions.

Initially shops were encouraging people to shop alone where possible but the current trend has been for groups to shop together, which may now be bringing increased risks, due to the increased infectivity of the new variant.

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