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By *hechairman18 OP   Man
over a year ago

Salford Quays , Manchester

It's just been announced 24/12/2020, that 2% of Londoners have Covid.

By definition, this means that 98% of Londoners DON'T have it.

Let's just get on with our lives.

Merry Christmas.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport


"It's just been announced 24/12/2020, that 2% of Londoners have Covid.

By definition, this means that 98% of Londoners DON'T have it.

Let's just get on with our lives.

Merry Christmas."

The big problem with 2% of Londoners having covid, especially the possibility of it being the new faster spreading kind, is that unchecked, 2% is 4% next week. And 8% the week after. 16% by mid January, 32% third week of January, 64% by end of January. That equates to between 50,000 and 100,000 dead by the end of January. In London alone.

So no, probably not a good idea to for everyone to crack on with their lives as if things were normal, because if they do there's going to be a hell of a lot where their life is only another 4 to 6 weeks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

OP I'd listen to Polly if I were you

She knows stuff

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"OP I'd listen to Polly if I were you

She knows stuff"

I agree with that

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry


"It's just been announced 24/12/2020, that 2% of Londoners have Covid.

By definition, this means that 98% of Londoners DON'T have it.

Let's just get on with our lives.

Merry Christmas.

The big problem with 2% of Londoners having covid, especially the possibility of it being the new faster spreading kind, is that unchecked, 2% is 4% next week. And 8% the week after. 16% by mid January, 32% third week of January, 64% by end of January. That equates to between 50,000 and 100,000 dead by the end of January. In London alone.

So no, probably not a good idea to for everyone to crack on with their lives as if things were normal, because if they do there's going to be a hell of a lot where their life is only another 4 to 6 weeks."

Especially if its all new improved covid with added infectiousness. That will spread through an undergound carriage like a dose of salts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"OP I'd listen to Polly if I were you

She knows stuff

I agree with that "

Polly told me back in March " people will need a health certificate to fly"

I laughed

I aint laughing anymore

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's just been announced 24/12/2020, that 2% of Londoners have Covid.

By definition, this means that 98% of Londoners DON'T have it.

Let's just get on with our lives.

Merry Christmas.

The big problem with 2% of Londoners having covid, especially the possibility of it being the new faster spreading kind, is that unchecked, 2% is 4% next week. And 8% the week after. 16% by mid January, 32% third week of January, 64% by end of January. That equates to between 50,000 and 100,000 dead by the end of January. In London alone.

So no, probably not a good idea to for everyone to crack on with their lives as if things were normal, because if they do there's going to be a hell of a lot where their life is only another 4 to 6 weeks.

Especially if its all new improved covid with added infectiousness. That will spread through an undergound carriage like a dose of salts."

I heard on the radio earlier that 2 out of 3 if the infections there were from the new strain...so it look worryingly like it is gathering some momentum

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's just been announced 24/12/2020, that 2% of Londoners have Covid.

By definition, this means that 98% of Londoners DON'T have it.

Let's just get on with our lives.

Merry Christmas."

And the bellend post of 2020 goes to...

2% have it, the R rate is above 1.... give it a week, 5% will have it, 2 weeks, 10%, 3 weeks, 20%, 4 weeks, 40%...

I’m sure anyone working London’s ICU’s will love your flippant and to be blunt fkn selfish view.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"It's just been announced 24/12/2020, that 2% of Londoners have Covid.

By definition, this means that 98% of Londoners DON'T have it.

Let's just get on with our lives.

Merry Christmas."

Let's just get on with our lives appropriately, which will not be as they were for quite some time. As Polly highlights, just having fairly slow growth in infected people in London,, can mean an awful tragedy for too many. If the 2& are actively socially, they may spread it to a greater number of people than the average person. The doubling of numbers can also escalate its rate, so doubling occurs in ever shorter time periods.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

OP are you aware that 2% of Londoners Is 200000 people. That is the equivalent population of many small cities and towns in the UK.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

Oh crikey

That’s 2% that are aware they have it, equate that to UK towns and it’s all residents of Aberdeen or Bolton or Bournemouth.

Our numbers have trebled and not doubled, as predicted, in two weeks. Those mostly affected are 20-50, a switch from earlier in the year, along with significant increases in 15-19 and 20-29.

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By *limmatureguyMan
over a year ago

Tonbridge

We will have herd immunity before we know it at this rate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We will have herd immunity before we know it at this rate."

Read the second post....and you still think the costs of your herd immunity is worth the deaths?...seriously

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We will have herd immunity before we know it at this rate.

Read the second post....and you still think the costs of your herd immunity is worth the deaths?...seriously "

Unfortunately many see the elderly or people with underlying conditions as collateral damage.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We will have herd immunity before we know it at this rate.

Read the second post....and you still think the costs of your herd immunity is worth the deaths?...seriously

Unfortunately many see the elderly or people with underlying conditions as collateral damage."

Yep and it's been the same ones since this started.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's just been announced 24/12/2020, that 2% of Londoners have Covid.

By definition, this means that 98% of Londoners DON'T have it.

Let's just get on with our lives.

Merry Christmas.

The big problem with 2% of Londoners having covid, especially the possibility of it being the new faster spreading kind, is that unchecked, 2% is 4% next week. And 8% the week after. 16% by mid January, 32% third week of January, 64% by end of January. That equates to between 50,000 and 100,000 dead by the end of January. In London alone.

So no, probably not a good idea to for everyone to crack on with their lives as if things were normal, because if they do there's going to be a hell of a lot where their life is only another 4 to 6 weeks."

If the 2% is 200,000 * then at those rates in 6 months time there would be 6,710,886,400,000 people infected.

* far to lazy to check London population.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's just been announced 24/12/2020, that 2% of Londoners have Covid.

By definition, this means that 98% of Londoners DON'T have it.

Let's just get on with our lives.

Merry Christmas.

The big problem with 2% of Londoners having covid, especially the possibility of it being the new faster spreading kind, is that unchecked, 2% is 4% next week. And 8% the week after. 16% by mid January, 32% third week of January, 64% by end of January. That equates to between 50,000 and 100,000 dead by the end of January. In London alone.

So no, probably not a good idea to for everyone to crack on with their lives as if things were normal, because if they do there's going to be a hell of a lot where their life is only another 4 to 6 weeks.

If the 2% is 200,000 * then at those rates in 6 months time there would be 6,710,886,400,000 people infected.

* far to lazy to check London population."

I reckon its about right seeing is the population of London is around 10 million.

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol

I wonder just how many of the 2% have just spread all over the country for Christmas?

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

I dont really believe any of the figures, you can expect it to be alot less, but yes it is hardly anyone, as you have to go by the total population of 9304000 mill and divide it by that, when they say they have it, it could also be a mild symptoms of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wonder just how many of the 2% have just spread all over the country for Christmas? "

Look at it the other way round. How many have contracted it outside london and gone back there with it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I dont really believe any of the figures, you can expect it to be alot less, but yes it is hardly anyone, as you have to go by the total population of 9304000 mill and divide it by that, when they say they have it, it could also be a mild symptoms of it."

Hardly anyone! you being serious?

Seeing as the vast majority of people thet have it are asymptomatic it is likely to far higher than the numbers quoted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wonder just how many of the 2% have just spread all over the country for Christmas?

Look at it the other way round. How many have contracted it outside london and gone back there with it."

Exactly

People travelling anywhere. And mixing with other humans, anywhere

Can spread it

Which is why we are all confined to our homes!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wonder just how many of the 2% have just spread all over the country for Christmas?

Look at it the other way round. How many have contracted it outside london and gone back there with it.

Exactly

People travelling anywhere. And mixing with other humans, anywhere

Can spread it

Which is why we are all confined to our homes!"

However all across the forums people are just saying they should do what they think is right for their family.

People are actively encouraging people to travel even when thay have said they aren't sure if they should.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We will have herd immunity before we know it at this rate."

We have admitted our 3rd double infected patient this week... forget herd immunity

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry


"I dont really believe any of the figures, you can expect it to be alot less, but yes it is hardly anyone, as you have to go by the total population of 9304000 mill and divide it by that, when they say they have it, it could also be a mild symptoms of it."

Every claim above is without any foundation in reality.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We will have herd immunity before we know it at this rate.

We have admitted our 3rd double infected patient this week... forget herd immunity"

Oh crap, thats really bad news.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch


"We will have herd immunity before we know it at this rate.

We have admitted our 3rd double infected patient this week... forget herd immunity"

Poor soul

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"I dont really believe any of the figures, you can expect it to be alot less, but yes it is hardly anyone, as you have to go by the total population of 9304000 mill and divide it by that, when they say they have it, it could also be a mild symptoms of it."

You could have it mildly shag and give it to your mum, grandparent who might have it severely with potentially fatal consequences..

Do the math on what 2% of the population of London is and divide that figure with the number of icu beds in the capital .

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"We will have herd immunity before we know it at this rate.

We have admitted our 3rd double infected patient this week... forget herd immunity"

Really! Oh crap.

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By *uriouslatexTV/TS
over a year ago

Suffolk

Another thing to remember that the ONS statistics are a week behind, i.e. these are upto 18th Dec, and around the time/before London went to Tier 4 nearly.

So if 2% had it then, places were still open before Tier 4, don't be shocked to see this increase with the next batch of ONS statistics.

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By *asIsaCouple
over a year ago

harrow


"It's just been announced 24/12/2020, that 2% of Londoners have Covid.

By definition, this means that 98% of Londoners DON'T have it.

Let's just get on with our lives.

Merry Christmas.

The big problem with 2% of Londoners having covid, especially the possibility of it being the new faster spreading kind, is that unchecked, 2% is 4% next week. And 8% the week after. 16% by mid January, 32% third week of January, 64% by end of January. That equates to between 50,000 and 100,000 dead by the end of January. In London alone.

So no, probably not a good idea to for everyone to crack on with their lives as if things were normal, because if they do there's going to be a hell of a lot where their life is only another 4 to 6 weeks."

Absolutely spot in , well said

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"We will have herd immunity before we know it at this rate.

We have admitted our 3rd double infected patient this week... forget herd immunity

Oh crap, thats really bad news. "

Not good at all..

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By *asIsaCouple
over a year ago

harrow


"It's just been announced 24/12/2020, that 2% of Londoners have Covid.

By definition, this means that 98% of Londoners DON'T have it.

Let's just get on with our lives.

Merry Christmas."

Wow! Thought I'd heard it all but that's the height of it! Are people that ignorant?!

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"We will have herd immunity before we know it at this rate.

We have admitted our 3rd double infected patient this week... forget herd immunity

Really! Oh crap. "

Serious question, Charli - how is CMFT evidencing re-infection, seeing as the overwhelming majority of cases in which first wave were never actually identified by PCR test? My infection included (I had Covid in the last week of March but they were only testing people admitted to hospital. Antibody testing by the NHS in August confirmed antibodies). Very few people before July/August had swab tests done and antibody testing by the NHS limited to certain individuals/situations.

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By *addyBabygirl2020Couple
over a year ago

norwich


"It's just been announced 24/12/2020, that 2% of Londoners have Covid.

By definition, this means that 98% of Londoners DON'T have it.

Let's just get on with our lives.

Merry Christmas.

The big problem with 2% of Londoners having covid, especially the possibility of it being the new faster spreading kind, is that unchecked, 2% is 4% next week. And 8% the week after. 16% by mid January, 32% third week of January, 64% by end of January. That equates to between 50,000 and 100,000 dead by the end of January. In London alone.

So no, probably not a good idea to for everyone to crack on with their lives as if things were normal, because if they do there's going to be a hell of a lot where their life is only another 4 to 6 weeks."

Your numbers are utter nonsense, we have enough experience of Covid to know that 100,000 dead by the end of January is never going to happen, lockdown or not.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"We will have herd immunity before we know it at this rate."

It's not a worthwhile solution, unless from vaccination.

Too many people, in excess of the deaths, get organ damage and failure, others get crippling long covid and many will experience life long invisible damage that they don't even know they have but could predispose them for other fatalities in the future,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

covid nonsense

We should be allowed to get on with our normal lives now

I refuse to wear a mask

Total b sh#t

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"I dont really believe any of the figures, you can expect it to be alot less, but yes it is hardly anyone, as you have to go by the total population of 9304000 mill and divide it by that, when they say they have it, it could also be a mild symptoms of it."

Shag - have you researched how the figures are produced, where they are derived from? We have to have some figures to rely on, so they need to be accurate and guide decisions, for the care and well-being of the population and country.

The official numbers are the ones to use and don't need dividing by anything. Not everyone will be tested, so you also need to allow for this too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We will have herd immunity before we know it at this rate.

We have admitted our 3rd double infected patient this week... forget herd immunity

Really! Oh crap.

Serious question, Charli - how is CMFT evidencing re-infection, seeing as the overwhelming majority of cases in which first wave were never actually identified by PCR test? My infection included (I had Covid in the last week of March but they were only testing people admitted to hospital. Antibody testing by the NHS in August confirmed antibodies). Very few people before July/August had swab tests done and antibody testing by the NHS limited to certain individuals/situations."

There’s two methods of reporting firstly those suspected of previously infected based on the patients own testimony. The second which is the only figures taken as a solid basis (the first just give us a guide) is those who have swabbed positive or have shown positive on the antibody test prior to infection.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"covid nonsense

We should be allowed to get on with our normal lives now

I refuse to wear a mask

Total b sh#t"

How incredibly naive and selfish. Why you’d want to declare that I do not know.

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington


"covid nonsense

We should be allowed to get on with our normal lives now

I refuse to wear a mask

Total b sh#t

How incredibly naive and selfish. Why you’d want to declare that I do not know."
attention probably and I bet he’d be the first to whinge and whine on if he got it

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"We will have herd immunity before we know it at this rate.

We have admitted our 3rd double infected patient this week... forget herd immunity

Really! Oh crap.

Serious question, Charli - how is CMFT evidencing re-infection, seeing as the overwhelming majority of cases in which first wave were never actually identified by PCR test? My infection included (I had Covid in the last week of March but they were only testing people admitted to hospital. Antibody testing by the NHS in August confirmed antibodies). Very few people before July/August had swab tests done and antibody testing by the NHS limited to certain individuals/situations.

There’s two methods of reporting firstly those suspected of previously infected based on the patients own testimony. The second which is the only figures taken as a solid basis (the first just give us a guide) is those who have swabbed positive or have shown positive on the antibody test prior to infection.

"

The reason I ask is that internationally, confirmed cases of re-infection are only being confirmed if genomic sequencing of the two positive tests demonstrates different strains causing each infection.

Relying on patient testimony is, unfortunately, incredibly unreliable. Of the teachers and staff at our college who went for tests, suspecting symptoms (at least 40+ staff), only about 5 actually tested positive. Many of their children also had tests and I'm not aware of any staff with children testing positive at all. The negative ones had some sort of non specific symptom (like a cough), but did not have Covid.

It's a fairly well characterised situation where viral shedding can occur for a long period in some people, including shedding viral RNA material after the patient ceases to be infectious (all published internationally).

If it's all the same, I'd reserve judgement on true re-infection, unless sequencing confirms a patient has had conclusive positive tests from different strains of SARS-CoV-2.

It's fair that re-infections might start happening more frequently, as natural antibody levels wane and the virus mutates, that I am of no doubt.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's just been announced 24/12/2020, that 2% of Londoners have Covid.

By definition, this means that 98% of Londoners DON'T have it.

Let's just get on with our lives.

Merry Christmas."

Yawn.

Yes let's just get on with life. If you didn't read about it you wouldn't notice it. Hyped to hell.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's just been announced 24/12/2020, that 2% of Londoners have Covid.

By definition, this means that 98% of Londoners DON'T have it.

Let's just get on with our lives.

Merry Christmas.

Yawn.

Yes let's just get on with life. If you didn't read about it you wouldn't notice it. Hyped to hell.

"

Unless of course you had to self isolate or had it yourself or lost someone to it.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"It's just been announced 24/12/2020, that 2% of Londoners have Covid.

By definition, this means that 98% of Londoners DON'T have it.

Let's just get on with our lives.

Merry Christmas.

Yawn.

Yes let's just get on with life. If you didn't read about it you wouldn't notice it. Hyped to hell.

"

Yeah mate, my sister writing goodbye letters to us all from hospital in April was something I totally didn't notice..

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"It's just been announced 24/12/2020, that 2% of Londoners have Covid.

By definition, this means that 98% of Londoners DON'T have it.

Let's just get on with our lives.

Merry Christmas.

Yawn.

Yes let's just get on with life. If you didn't read about it you wouldn't notice it. Hyped to hell.

"

If you've not noticed it, you must be going about with blinkers on. Shopping in any shop is different/non existent (depending where you are). Hospitality is different/non existent. My job has changed beyond belief, as have the jobs of many others.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

2% of London is roughly 179,640 people that are currently positive.

Makes you think, would you risk your health if you knew 2% of Fabbers had it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We will have herd immunity before we know it at this rate.

We have admitted our 3rd double infected patient this week... forget herd immunity

Really! Oh crap.

Serious question, Charli - how is CMFT evidencing re-infection, seeing as the overwhelming majority of cases in which first wave were never actually identified by PCR test? My infection included (I had Covid in the last week of March but they were only testing people admitted to hospital. Antibody testing by the NHS in August confirmed antibodies). Very few people before July/August had swab tests done and antibody testing by the NHS limited to certain individuals/situations.

There’s two methods of reporting firstly those suspected of previously infected based on the patients own testimony. The second which is the only figures taken as a solid basis (the first just give us a guide) is those who have swabbed positive or have shown positive on the antibody test prior to infection.

The reason I ask is that internationally, confirmed cases of re-infection are only being confirmed if genomic sequencing of the two positive tests demonstrates different strains causing each infection.

Relying on patient testimony is, unfortunately, incredibly unreliable. Of the teachers and staff at our college who went for tests, suspecting symptoms (at least 40+ staff), only about 5 actually tested positive. Many of their children also had tests and I'm not aware of any staff with children testing positive at all. The negative ones had some sort of non specific symptom (like a cough), but did not have Covid.

It's a fairly well characterised situation where viral shedding can occur for a long period in some people, including shedding viral RNA material after the patient ceases to be infectious (all published internationally).

If it's all the same, I'd reserve judgement on true re-infection, unless sequencing confirms a patient has had conclusive positive tests from different strains of SARS-CoV-2.

It's fair that re-infections might start happening more frequently, as natural antibody levels wane and the virus mutates, that I am of no doubt."

As I stated previously we only look at test confirmed results. As standard we investigate strains as it can influence treatment choices quite dramatically. We collect patient based information as an aside because in this pandemic it still has a value when viewed en masse.

We know through track and trace data the patients mentioned have been positive previously and at a time when the variety they are now carrying wasn’t known.

That’s about as accurate as anyone can get when we are talking about a virus we still do not fully understand.

We have nowhere near enough data nationally or worldwide to draw conclusions surrounding natural immunity or indeed vaccination effectiveness which is quite a terrifying question filling out thoughts currently.

From what you typed, do I assume you work in teaching?

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford


"We will have herd immunity before we know it at this rate."

True, though sadly we will also have very full hospitals and grave yards.

We have been in this long enough that no one should really be as so uneducated about the situation as the OP is

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"We will have herd immunity before we know it at this rate.

We have admitted our 3rd double infected patient this week... forget herd immunity

Really! Oh crap.

Serious question, Charli - how is CMFT evidencing re-infection, seeing as the overwhelming majority of cases in which first wave were never actually identified by PCR test? My infection included (I had Covid in the last week of March but they were only testing people admitted to hospital. Antibody testing by the NHS in August confirmed antibodies). Very few people before July/August had swab tests done and antibody testing by the NHS limited to certain individuals/situations.

There’s two methods of reporting firstly those suspected of previously infected based on the patients own testimony. The second which is the only figures taken as a solid basis (the first just give us a guide) is those who have swabbed positive or have shown positive on the antibody test prior to infection.

The reason I ask is that internationally, confirmed cases of re-infection are only being confirmed if genomic sequencing of the two positive tests demonstrates different strains causing each infection.

Relying on patient testimony is, unfortunately, incredibly unreliable. Of the teachers and staff at our college who went for tests, suspecting symptoms (at least 40+ staff), only about 5 actually tested positive. Many of their children also had tests and I'm not aware of any staff with children testing positive at all. The negative ones had some sort of non specific symptom (like a cough), but did not have Covid.

It's a fairly well characterised situation where viral shedding can occur for a long period in some people, including shedding viral RNA material after the patient ceases to be infectious (all published internationally).

If it's all the same, I'd reserve judgement on true re-infection, unless sequencing confirms a patient has had conclusive positive tests from different strains of SARS-CoV-2.

It's fair that re-infections might start happening more frequently, as natural antibody levels wane and the virus mutates, that I am of no doubt.

As I stated previously we only look at test confirmed results. As standard we investigate strains as it can influence treatment choices quite dramatically. We collect patient based information as an aside because in this pandemic it still has a value when viewed en masse.

We know through track and trace data the patients mentioned have been positive previously and at a time when the variety they are now carrying wasn’t known.

That’s about as accurate as anyone can get when we are talking about a virus we still do not fully understand.

We have nowhere near enough data nationally or worldwide to draw conclusions surrounding natural immunity or indeed vaccination effectiveness which is quite a terrifying question filling out thoughts currently.

From what you typed, do I assume you work in teaching? "

I'm a microbiologist who now works in education, yes. I manage a team of science and engineering teachers but we also have other subjects and courses. Quite a number of staff had various symptoms this term, but few actually tested positive (fortunately).

It's good to know genomic data is being used to confirm re-infections

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By *ittyandtheboyCouple
over a year ago

Back of the bins.


"It's just been announced 24/12/2020, that 2% of Londoners have Covid.

By definition, this means that 98% of Londoners DON'T have it.

Let's just get on with our lives.

Merry Christmas.

The big problem with 2% of Londoners having covid, especially the possibility of it being the new faster spreading kind, is that unchecked, 2% is 4% next week. And 8% the week after. 16% by mid January, 32% third week of January, 64% by end of January. That equates to between 50,000 and 100,000 dead by the end of January. In London alone.

So no, probably not a good idea to for everyone to crack on with their lives as if things were normal, because if they do there's going to be a hell of a lot where their life is only another 4 to 6 weeks."

Yep. Was just coming along to say this. 2% is a massive number of people.

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By *izzabelle and well hungCouple
over a year ago

Edinburgh.

All hyped by the press because they got butt fucked over brexit. If we had a Covexit vote we would be out of lockdown the next day. It’s up to people to look after themselves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What sits weirdly with me, is how these new strains have popped up in England, where we have had lockdowns, masks, social distancing and have world beating research? How is it that they haven't popped up in countries where very little of those measures have been taken? If any. How wasn't it a country with near no measures, and a far higher population density? Where there is a barely functioning health service? It just sits very weirdly that it just happens to be a world leading country.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What sits weirdly with me, is how these new strains have popped up in England, where we have had lockdowns, masks, social distancing and have world beating research? How is it that they haven't popped up in countries where very little of those measures have been taken? If any. How wasn't it a country with near no measures, and a far higher population density? Where there is a barely functioning health service? It just sits very weirdly that it just happens to be a world leading country. "

It's a mutation that could and will happen in probably every country.

As for how it can spread here...just look at a few of the posters on this thread. Your answer is right here...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's just strange how here was the place that it happened not in a place where the virus has far more hosts to pass between

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry


"What sits weirdly with me, is how these new strains have popped up in England, where we have had lockdowns, masks, social distancing and have world beating research? How is it that they haven't popped up in countries where very little of those measures have been taken? If any. How wasn't it a country with near no measures, and a far higher population density? Where there is a barely functioning health service? It just sits very weirdly that it just happens to be a world leading country. "

Genetic variations are going to occur, that's the nature of things. Masks, lockdowns etc doesn't stop the virus from existing, they just hinder the spread of it. As to a health service, well the covid 19 virus doesn't give a fiddlers about that. I think we know already the UK isn't unique in reporting new strains, although I understand it is ahead of the pack when it comes to genomic fingerprinting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think I remember reading somewhere that the who has had hundreds of strains reported to them, I guess this is just the first one that has taken hold of a population. Guess it was just sods law that it would be us. Hopefully there aren't too many more iterations either here or elsewhere...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What sits weirdly with me, is how these new strains have popped up in England, where we have had lockdowns, masks, social distancing and have world beating research? How is it that they haven't popped up in countries where very little of those measures have been taken? If any. How wasn't it a country with near no measures, and a far higher population density? Where there is a barely functioning health service? It just sits very weirdly that it just happens to be a world leading country. "

If the other countries aren't testing for different virus strains they won't be detected.

We are testing so.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"All hyped by the press because they got butt fucked over brexit. If we had a Covexit vote we would be out of lockdown the next day. It’s up to people to look after themselves. "

Do you have an ICU in your house?

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By *lamourpussyCouple
over a year ago

Warwick


"covid nonsense

We should be allowed to get on with our normal lives now

I refuse to wear a mask

Total b sh#t

How incredibly naive and selfish. Why you’d want to declare that I do not know."

Attention seeker with nothing interesting or sensible to say probably

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"I think I remember reading somewhere that the who has had hundreds of strains reported to them, I guess this is just the first one that has taken hold of a population. Guess it was just sods law that it would be us. Hopefully there aren't too many more iterations either here or elsewhere... "

There's thousands of mutations. The original Wuhan SARS-CoV-2 isn't circulating really anywhere, all the strains around the world now are genetically slightly different to the original (and are therefore mutants). This is very normal in single stranded RNA viruses. Single stranded genomes acquire mutations more frequently as there isn't a template strand like there is in double stranded genomes (like our double stranded DNA). However, all coronaviruses have an in-built genome proof reading mechanism, so many mistakes in the RNA replication get picked up and edited out. For comparison, single stranded RNA influenza viruses do not have the proof reading mechanism. Therefore the rate of mutation in coronaviruses is much lower than flu viruses.

The UK has particular expertise in genomic sequencing and so we are characterising the mutations more quickly than many countries. Plenty of mutations ARE arising in other countries, they just aren't sequencing and identifying them as frequently/quickly.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"It's just been announced 24/12/2020, that 2% of Londoners have Covid.

By definition, this means that 98% of Londoners DON'T have it.

Let's just get on with our lives.

Merry Christmas."
Think of things your way going to be a sad new year for many get real

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By *inkerbell67Woman
over a year ago

Clacton on sea essex

Lets hope it gets weaker as it mutates and dies so we can get back to normal.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"Lets hope it gets weaker as it mutates and dies so we can get back to normal.

"

It's unlikely to become more lethal. More likely to become more transmissible, because that's what makes evolutionary sense.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"Lets hope it gets weaker as it mutates and dies so we can get back to normal.

"
Had a few to many have you?

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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago

harrow

Well the London issue is interesting. I am a Londoner and I don’t get why it is rising so bad. My local council has nearly gone up by 400% in a month which is crazy

Possibly driven by the following

1) a month lockdown before Xmas - means that non essential shops were busy after with people getting presents etc

2) continual lack of young people refraining from mixing and not wearing masks

3) people mixing in homes and at places of worship.

4) over populated housing. Example of you have a 2 bed terrace that has 14 people rather than 4 or so your not helping

5) grey population of people that are not recognised in the country and they can’t register with a doctor or go for tests. I include the people that don’t want to in this

6) more transmitable strain

7) London has a working population taht easily travel with an hours train travel of the m25 so it doesn’t get spread around more

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By *ommenhimCouple
over a year ago

wigan


"covid nonsense

We should be allowed to get on with our normal lives now

I refuse to wear a mask

Total b sh#t

How incredibly naive and selfish. Why you’d want to declare that I do not know."

Saves having to hide his hypocrisy

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By *litterbabeWoman
over a year ago

hiding from cock pics.

If 2% of Londoners currently have covid that is a huge amount.

If it includes secondary school age children in London boroughs that means 36 active cases just in my daughter's school, potentially 5 just in her year group bubble.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

0.01% is too many if that's your relative or friend

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By *armandwet50Couple
over a year ago

Far far away


"It's just been announced 24/12/2020, that 2% of Londoners have Covid.

By definition, this means that 98% of Londoners DON'T have it.

Let's just get on with our lives.

Merry Christmas.

And the bellend post of 2020 goes to...

2% have it, the R rate is above 1.... give it a week, 5% will have it, 2 weeks, 10%, 3 weeks, 20%, 4 weeks, 40%...

I’m sure anyone working London’s ICU’s will love your flippant and to be blunt fkn selfish view."

I am certain your figures are correct however, if the Christmas party the OP is suggesting happened, the figures don't matter. Why? Because the starting 2% should be isolated and not passing the virus on ... Simples

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's just been announced 24/12/2020, that 2% of Londoners have Covid.

By definition, this means that 98% of Londoners DON'T have it.

Let's just get on with our lives.

Merry Christmas.

And the bellend post of 2020 goes to...

2% have it, the R rate is above 1.... give it a week, 5% will have it, 2 weeks, 10%, 3 weeks, 20%, 4 weeks, 40%...

I’m sure anyone working London’s ICU’s will love your flippant and to be blunt fkn selfish view.

I am certain your figures are correct however, if the Christmas party the OP is suggesting happened, the figures don't matter. Why? Because the starting 2% should be isolated and not passing the virus on ... Simples "

But alot of people dont know they have it

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By *oredbrummieMan
over a year ago

Birmingham


"It's just been announced 24/12/2020, that 2% of Londoners have Covid.

By definition, this means that 98% of Londoners DON'T have it.

Let's just get on with our lives.

Merry Christmas.

The big problem with 2% of Londoners having covid, especially the possibility of it being the new faster spreading kind, is that unchecked, 2% is 4% next week. And 8% the week after. 16% by mid January, 32% third week of January, 64% by end of January. That equates to between 50,000 and 100,000 dead by the end of January. In London alone.

So no, probably not a good idea to for everyone to crack on with their lives as if things were normal, because if they do there's going to be a hell of a lot where their life is only another 4 to 6 weeks."

But will they??? To self isolate you have to stay off work for 14 days (since been dropped to 10 days) so on that basis if you have 2% in week one, 4%in week two then by week three it’s drops back to 2% as week one are over and out of isolation?

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By *armandwet50Couple
over a year ago

Far far away


"It's just been announced 24/12/2020, that 2% of Londoners have Covid.

By definition, this means that 98% of Londoners DON'T have it.

Let's just get on with our lives.

Merry Christmas.

And the bellend post of 2020 goes to...

2% have it, the R rate is above 1.... give it a week, 5% will have it, 2 weeks, 10%, 3 weeks, 20%, 4 weeks, 40%...

I’m sure anyone working London’s ICU’s will love your flippant and to be blunt fkn selfish view.

I am certain your figures are correct however, if the Christmas party the OP is suggesting happened, the figures don't matter. Why? Because the starting 2% should be isolated and not passing the virus on ... Simples

But alot of people dont know they have it "

How do the boffins no the people have it but the people don't

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's just been announced 24/12/2020, that 2% of Londoners have Covid.

By definition, this means that 98% of Londoners DON'T have it.

Let's just get on with our lives.

Merry Christmas.

And the bellend post of 2020 goes to...

2% have it, the R rate is above 1.... give it a week, 5% will have it, 2 weeks, 10%, 3 weeks, 20%, 4 weeks, 40%...

I’m sure anyone working London’s ICU’s will love your flippant and to be blunt fkn selfish view.

I am certain your figures are correct however, if the Christmas party the OP is suggesting happened, the figures don't matter. Why? Because the starting 2% should be isolated and not passing the virus on ... Simples

But alot of people dont know they have it

How do the boffins no the people have it but the people don't "

Michael Caine told them

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By *armandwet50Couple
over a year ago

Far far away


"It's just been announced 24/12/2020, that 2% of Londoners have Covid.

By definition, this means that 98% of Londoners DON'T have it.

Let's just get on with our lives.

Merry Christmas.

And the bellend post of 2020 goes to...

2% have it, the R rate is above 1.... give it a week, 5% will have it, 2 weeks, 10%, 3 weeks, 20%, 4 weeks, 40%...

I’m sure anyone working London’s ICU’s will love your flippant and to be blunt fkn selfish view.

I am certain your figures are correct however, if the Christmas party the OP is suggesting happened, the figures don't matter. Why? Because the starting 2% should be isolated and not passing the virus on ... Simples

But alot of people dont know they have it

How do the boffins no the people have it but the people don't

Michael Caine told them "

He da man

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South


"covid nonsense

We should be allowed to get on with our normal lives now

I refuse to wear a mask

Total b sh#t"

Then you are;

a) a major part of the problem

b) selfish

c) fucking stupid

E

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"It's just been announced 24/12/2020, that 2% of Londoners have Covid.

By definition, this means that 98% of Londoners DON'T have it.

Let's just get on with our lives.

Merry Christmas."

That's 180,000 people. Considering most Londoners have second homes, large communities that don't social distance, wear masks even though high risk, and the situation just gets worse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So lockdown again oh no only places you have fun or enjoyment in , you can still mix in schools, shops, work, transport. You couldn't make it up, its a joke.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport


"It's just been announced 24/12/2020, that 2% of Londoners have Covid.

By definition, this means that 98% of Londoners DON'T have it.

Let's just get on with our lives.

Merry Christmas.

The big problem with 2% of Londoners having covid, especially the possibility of it being the new faster spreading kind, is that unchecked, 2% is 4% next week. And 8% the week after. 16% by mid January, 32% third week of January, 64% by end of January. That equates to between 50,000 and 100,000 dead by the end of January. In London alone.

So no, probably not a good idea to for everyone to crack on with their lives as if things were normal, because if they do there's going to be a hell of a lot where their life is only another 4 to 6 weeks.

But will they??? To self isolate you have to stay off work for 14 days (since been dropped to 10 days) so on that basis if you have 2% in week one, 4%in week two then by week three it’s drops back to 2% as week one are over and out of isolation?"

IF everyone who was infected did self isolate for the whole period, then it would have died out last March or April, no more than three or four weeks after it first came into the country. But people keep refusing to self isolate, keep refusing to social distance, keep refusing to wear masks, keep refusing to practice appropriate infection control measures. No everyone, many many people have done their absolute best. But sufficient will not, and here we are now... Fact is that over the last couple of months, even with a lot of people totally sacrificing their personal life for the greater good, because of the actions of those that don't care and who think it won't matter if they catch it or just think it's everybody elses problem, the number of confirmed cases has been doubling and doubling and doubling and doubling. So now, it is only six doubles away from every single person in the country being exposed.

At least then it will stop doubling. And there will be no need for vaccinations. It's christmas day though, so I'll refrain from pointing out the downside...

Merry Christmas all, and wishing you a covid free New Year.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"It's just been announced 24/12/2020, that 2% of Londoners have Covid.

By definition, this means that 98% of Londoners DON'T have it.

Let's just get on with our lives.

Merry Christmas.

The big problem with 2% of Londoners having covid, especially the possibility of it being the new faster spreading kind, is that unchecked, 2% is 4% next week. And 8% the week after. 16% by mid January, 32% third week of January, 64% by end of January. That equates to between 50,000 and 100,000 dead by the end of January. In London alone.

So no, probably not a good idea to for everyone to crack on with their lives as if things were normal, because if they do there's going to be a hell of a lot where their life is only another 4 to 6 weeks.

But will they??? To self isolate you have to stay off work for 14 days (since been dropped to 10 days) so on that basis if you have 2% in week one, 4%in week two then by week three it’s drops back to 2% as week one are over and out of isolation?

IF everyone who was infected did self isolate for the whole period, then it would have died out last March or April, no more than three or four weeks after it first came into the country. But people keep refusing to self isolate, keep refusing to social distance, keep refusing to wear masks, keep refusing to practice appropriate infection control measures. No everyone, many many people have done their absolute best. But sufficient will not, and here we are now... Fact is that over the last couple of months, even with a lot of people totally sacrificing their personal life for the greater good, because of the actions of those that don't care and who think it won't matter if they catch it or just think it's everybody elses problem, the number of confirmed cases has been doubling and doubling and doubling and doubling. So now, it is only six doubles away from every single person in the country being exposed.

At least then it will stop doubling. And there will be no need for vaccinations. It's christmas day though, so I'll refrain from pointing out the downside...

Merry Christmas all, and wishing you a covid free New Year. "

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