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"Travel is a risk during a pandemic. Different populations pose different risks. " Well millions have fleed the capital.. they will help it spread all over no doubt.. | |||
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"Travel is a risk during a pandemic. Different populations pose different risks. Well millions have fleed the capital.. they will help it spread all over no doubt.. " Well, personal responsibility I suppose. I'm keeping my germs to myself, all I can do. My world is a square mile. Other countries are taking responsibility for their populations by trying to remove the risk of this variant to them. | |||
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"Has anyone noticed that when Essex Tom days that there is a new varient and it's dangerous that he is shouted down.. two days later when Europe's governments say it's dangerous then they are responsible.. WAKE UP PEOPLES ! " I haven't been in the virus forum lately. I've heard what has been said on the news. Personally, it doesn't change anything for me (unless/ until further restrictions hit my area), because I've been taking this seriously all along and can't fathom getting on a plane for any reason bar an extreme emergency right now. | |||
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"Has anyone noticed that when Essex Tom days that there is a new varient and it's dangerous that he is shouted down.. two days later when Europe's governments say it's dangerous then they are responsible.. WAKE UP PEOPLES ! I haven't been in the virus forum lately. I've heard what has been said on the news. Personally, it doesn't change anything for me (unless/ until further restrictions hit my area), because I've been taking this seriously all along and can't fathom getting on a plane for any reason bar an extreme emergency right now." Are you an airline hostess on the sick? | |||
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"Has anyone noticed that when Essex Tom days that there is a new varient and it's dangerous that he is shouted down.. two days later when Europe's governments say it's dangerous then they are responsible.. WAKE UP PEOPLES ! I haven't been in the virus forum lately. I've heard what has been said on the news. Personally, it doesn't change anything for me (unless/ until further restrictions hit my area), because I've been taking this seriously all along and can't fathom getting on a plane for any reason bar an extreme emergency right now. Are you an airline hostess on the sick?" 
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"Has anyone noticed that when Essex Tom days that there is a new varient and it's dangerous that he is shouted down.. two days later when Europe's governments say it's dangerous then they are responsible.. WAKE UP PEOPLES ! I haven't been in the virus forum lately. I've heard what has been said on the news. Personally, it doesn't change anything for me (unless/ until further restrictions hit my area), because I've been taking this seriously all along and can't fathom getting on a plane for any reason bar an extreme emergency right now. Are you an airline hostess on the sick?
If it were my job it might be a different story!"Or should I say.. Are WE an airline hostess on the sick...  | |||
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"This NEW? strain of virus was discovered mid September in London it puzzles me that they are just announcing it now and Hancock on tv this morning saying he has only just heard about it which I very much doubt. " I've seen that.As Ian Duncan Smith said, if this is the case then heads should roll. Strange how it's (alledgedly) been around for so long yet hasn't made it out of the South East and London yet! Maybe it got lost navigating the London Underground? | |||
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"This NEW? strain of virus was discovered mid September in London it puzzles me that they are just announcing it now and Hancock on tv this morning saying he has only just heard about it which I very much doubt. I've seen that.As Ian Duncan Smith said, if this is the case then heads should roll. Strange how it's (alledgedly) been around for so long yet hasn't made it out of the South East and London yet! Maybe it got lost navigating the London Underground? " Beware...mark my words it's spreading to a town near you soon.... | |||
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"This NEW? strain of virus was discovered mid September in London it puzzles me that they are just announcing it now and Hancock on tv this morning saying he has only just heard about it which I very much doubt. " The Goverment were told of the scientist's conclusions of the strength, and how dangerous this strain was, on Friday. | |||
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"What do we need to beware of exactly? If people are following current guidance..." Hahahaha We followed the last guidance.. Has that worked ? | |||
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"What do we need to beware of exactly? If people are following current guidance... Hahahaha We followed the last guidance.. Has that worked ?" Well I think the point is that many didn't follow it...  . | |||
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"Not just the UK BTW . . . Commenting on the strain, Dr Eric Feigl-Ding said: "New more worrisome South Africa strain: the new 501.V2 variant has troubling details as it seems to spread faster, has a higher viral load and possibly more severe among young adults."" Thank you.. At last someone gets it.. | |||
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"How can it spread with everyone wearing facemasks "Well it does and we do.. Does that help | |||
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"This NEW? strain of virus was discovered mid September in London it puzzles me that they are just announcing it now and Hancock on tv this morning saying he has only just heard about it which I very much doubt. " I'm no conspiracy theorist but I agree They have known about this for weeks and there is no evidence it's any more contagious | |||
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"This NEW? strain of virus was discovered mid September in London it puzzles me that they are just announcing it now and Hancock on tv this morning saying he has only just heard about it which I very much doubt. I'm no conspiracy theorist but I agree They have known about this for weeks and there is no evidence it's any more contagious " It's the old cos the south is having a spike let's fuck everyone's crimbo up.. That'll teach them .. | |||
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"This NEW? strain of virus was discovered mid September in London it puzzles me that they are just announcing it now and Hancock on tv this morning saying he has only just heard about it which I very much doubt. I'm no conspiracy theorist but I agree They have known about this for weeks and there is no evidence it's any more contagious " But more people catching so more will die or suffer long covid presumably.. | |||
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"We've got a new virus variant that's highly contagious. I'd have thought that was obvious " You would think. | |||
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"This NEW? strain of virus was discovered mid September in London it puzzles me that they are just announcing it now and Hancock on tv this morning saying he has only just heard about it which I very much doubt. I'm no conspiracy theorist but I agree They have known about this for weeks and there is no evidence it's any more contagious It's the old cos the south is having a spike let's fuck everyone's crimbo up.. That'll teach them .." Remember all them jibes when it spiked up here.? | |||
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"This NEW? strain of virus was discovered mid September in London it puzzles me that they are just announcing it now and Hancock on tv this morning saying he has only just heard about it which I very much doubt. I'm no conspiracy theorist but I agree They have known about this for weeks and there is no evidence it's any more contagious But more people catching so more will die or suffer long covid presumably.." But they have known about it for weeks | |||
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"This NEW? strain of virus was discovered mid September in London it puzzles me that they are just announcing it now and Hancock on tv this morning saying he has only just heard about it which I very much doubt. I'm no conspiracy theorist but I agree They have known about this for weeks and there is no evidence it's any more contagious It's the old cos the south is having a spike let's fuck everyone's crimbo up.. That'll teach them .. Remember all them jibes when it spiked up here.?" All in it together now though...  | |||
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"This NEW? strain of virus was discovered mid September in London it puzzles me that they are just announcing it now and Hancock on tv this morning saying he has only just heard about it which I very much doubt. I'm no conspiracy theorist but I agree They have known about this for weeks and there is no evidence it's any more contagious It's the old cos the south is having a spike let's fuck everyone's crimbo up.. That'll teach them .." Life is tougher up north.. low wages, poor diet, poor housing, mills and pits closed. I would not visit again after the last time but they are resilient.. I actually like northerners.. Salt of the earth ... | |||
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"This NEW? strain of virus was discovered mid September in London it puzzles me that they are just announcing it now and Hancock on tv this morning saying he has only just heard about it which I very much doubt. I'm no conspiracy theorist but I agree They have known about this for weeks and there is no evidence it's any more contagious It's the old cos the south is having a spike let's fuck everyone's crimbo up.. That'll teach them .. Remember all them jibes when it spiked up here.? All in it together now though... " | |||
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"Surely you know the boy who cried wolf. " Yes.. he was eaten by the evil bugger... | |||
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"Holland, Belgium, France and Germany banning flights from the UK.. What's going on here ?" It has been common practice since the virus emerged (and many other viruses in the past), it's an obvious choice to reduce the opportunity of importing a virus. | |||
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"This NEW? strain of virus was discovered mid September in London it puzzles me that they are just announcing it now and Hancock on tv this morning saying he has only just heard about it which I very much doubt. I'm no conspiracy theorist but I agree They have known about this for weeks and there is no evidence it's any more contagious It's the old cos the south is having a spike let's fuck everyone's crimbo up.. That'll teach them .. Life is tougher up north.. low wages, poor diet, poor housing, mills and pits closed. I would not visit again after the last time but they are resilient.. I actually like northerners.. Salt of the earth ..." Dunno Tom spent most of my working life in Surrey.. Some of what you mention are endemic nationwide apart from the pits etc.. We welcome pretty much everyone here, well up till last night..  | |||
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"Sky news reporting that this is now an English Virus.. Trump called it the China virus but fast mutating to be the English virus " There are other notable variations to the virus in other countries too. A virus will mutate once in every seven cell divisions, that is why there are literally thousands of variations around the world. | |||
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"This NEW? strain of virus was discovered mid September in London it puzzles me that they are just announcing it now and Hancock on tv this morning saying he has only just heard about it which I very much doubt. I've seen that.As Ian Duncan Smith said, if this is the case then heads should roll. Strange how it's (alledgedly) been around for so long yet hasn't made it out of the South East and London yet! Maybe it got lost navigating the London Underground? Beware...mark my words it's spreading to a town near you soon...." How about stating something thats blatantly obvious.
There's been a few mutated strains about. When they find them there's no guarantee that's where it originated. Quite likely with the way many here behave towards this virus it's been brought into that area.
When you look at how people decided to travel out of London, it clearly demonstrates their lack of understanding how the virus spreads and the lack of concern for other people's health.
I roll my eyes at how so many 'intelligent' seem to blame the government as if they are the ones who are in control of they are the ones causing the spread.
People need to wake up and it looks like thousands and thousands more will die before people realise they are the spreaders and essentially the killers in all this by their own selfish attitudes.
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"Chip everyone, and if found they're moving outside their lockdown zone, fine them heavily. Instead of spending millions on adverts, surely this could be done?? As in Portugal, every car is chipped to recognise them on the motorways. " Hahaha chip everyone. Like the governments would love that and you're now suggesting it. Classic | |||
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"Agreed.. london travellers amongst the most selfish.. " Not any different from the rest tbh. If people go out for Christmas dinners and are limited to 90 and so instead of that they decide to go for 90 mins starters, then move to another venue for 90 min main course and then 90 main desert clearly demonstrates the don't give a f***. And anyone who thinks the government is to blame and suggest that if the government had done this or had done that instead a blind to the fact that people are the spreaders. Why do people still need to be told to restrict their movements? People are blatantly ignoring the responsibility of restricting their own self ways, you can't blame the government for stupid people. | |||
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"This NEW? strain of virus was discovered mid September in London it puzzles me that they are just announcing it now and Hancock on tv this morning saying he has only just heard about it which I very much doubt. " This is what Sir Kier Airhead said and he was wrong too. It was discovered in October from a sample taken in September. OK, not much difference but fact as opposed to listening to Mr Hindsight | |||
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"Surely you know the boy who cried wolf. " yup and as someone else said he got eaten - my view is that he got it right, just his timing was off!! | |||
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"This NEW? strain of virus was discovered mid September in London it puzzles me that they are just announcing it now and Hancock on tv this morning saying he has only just heard about it which I very much doubt. I'm no conspiracy theorist but I agree They have known about this for weeks and there is no evidence it's any more contagious But more people catching so more will die or suffer long covid presumably.. But they have known about it for weeks" Once again its another appalling failure of leadership from Johnson. | |||
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"Chip everyone, and if found they're moving outside their lockdown zone, fine them heavily. Instead of spending millions on adverts, surely this could be done?? As in Portugal, every car is chipped to recognise them on the motorways. Hahaha chip everyone. Like the governments would love that and you're now suggesting it. Classic " I had a whole bag of chips last night | |||
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"I agree.. why anyone wants to live there is beyond me.. A cesspit of shit now being spread " Because it’s home and personally I love it, my beautiful corner of the world. | |||
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"This NEW? strain of virus was discovered mid September in London it puzzles me that they are just announcing it now and Hancock on tv this morning saying he has only just heard about it which I very much doubt. This is what Sir Kier Airhead said and he was wrong too. It was discovered in October from a sample taken in September. OK, not much difference but fact as opposed to listening to Mr Hindsight " Do you have a point? | |||
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"This NEW? strain of virus was discovered mid September in London it puzzles me that they are just announcing it now and Hancock on tv this morning saying he has only just heard about it which I very much doubt. This is what Sir Kier Airhead said and he was wrong too. It was discovered in October from a sample taken in September. OK, not much difference but fact as opposed to listening to Mr Hindsight " It be sample taken two months ago identified a mutation, did they know the effects of this mutation two months ago, very unlikely. To understand that it takes time to gather and study samples. | |||
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"Chip everyone, and if found they're moving outside their lockdown zone, fine them heavily. Instead of spending millions on adverts, surely this could be done?? As in Portugal, every car is chipped to recognise them on the motorways. Hahaha chip everyone. Like the governments would love that and you're now suggesting it. Classic I had a whole bag of chips last night " curry sauce too u bet, hot and spicy!  | |||
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"This NEW? strain of virus was discovered mid September in London it puzzles me that they are just announcing it now and Hancock on tv this morning saying he has only just heard about it which I very much doubt. This is what Sir Kier Airhead said and he was wrong too. It was discovered in October from a sample taken in September. OK, not much difference but fact as opposed to listening to Mr Hindsight " I have no live for Starmer, however do you really believe that Hancock who just happens to be the health secretary just found out about the new strain the other day? given his past record for telling huge porkies I think they knew but kept it under wraps just to let London carry on as normal, remember they were kept in a lower tier despite having higher rates than cities and areas in higher tiers, even the lockdowns were political. | |||
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"Chip everyone, and if found they're moving outside their lockdown zone, fine them heavily. Instead of spending millions on adverts, surely this could be done?? As in Portugal, every car is chipped to recognise them on the motorways. Hahaha chip everyone. Like the governments would love that and you're now suggesting it. Classic I had a whole bag of chips last night curry sauce too u bet, hot and spicy! "It's nice to have something to dip into  | |||
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"Best thing to do is ignore these stupid posts. The OP is simply after attention." Please may I recommend other threads... | |||
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"This NEW? strain of virus was discovered mid September in London it puzzles me that they are just announcing it now and Hancock on tv this morning saying he has only just heard about it which I very much doubt. This is what Sir Kier Airhead said and he was wrong too. It was discovered in October from a sample taken in September. OK, not much difference but fact as opposed to listening to Mr Hindsight It be sample taken two months ago identified a mutation, did they know the effects of this mutation two months ago, very unlikely. To understand that it takes time to gather and study samples. " Exactly. I'm far from a Tory but don't get why people can't see this. There have been 4000 mutations noted so far but they mostly don't affect how the virus behaves. This one however, after monitoring, does. You can't go from discovering the mutation to seeing how it behaves in a day. | |||
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"What other countries have a new strain as well. Do we know the numbers of the mutation globally yet " Not sure.. I only care about England to be fair | |||
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"This NEW? strain of virus was discovered mid September in London it puzzles me that they are just announcing it now and Hancock on tv this morning saying he has only just heard about it which I very much doubt. This is what Sir Kier Airhead said and he was wrong too. It was discovered in October from a sample taken in September. OK, not much difference but fact as opposed to listening to Mr Hindsight It be sample taken two months ago identified a mutation, did they know the effects of this mutation two months ago, very unlikely. To understand that it takes time to gather and study samples. Exactly. I'm far from a Tory but don't get why people can't see this. There have been 4000 mutations noted so far but they mostly don't affect how the virus behaves. This one however, after monitoring, does. You can't go from discovering the mutation to seeing how it behaves in a day. " We know that, most know that, however they believe what they want to believe in a headline, happens way too much in this country. | |||
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"What other countries have a new strain as well. Do we know the numbers of the mutation globally yet " Italy | |||
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"What other countries have a new strain as well. Do we know the numbers of the mutation globally yet Italy" Netherlands, Denmark and Australia according to WHO and I’m sure more will follow | |||
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"What other countries have a new strain as well. Do we know the numbers of the mutation globally yet Italy Netherlands, Denmark and Australia according to WHO and I’m sure more will follow " And so it unfolds.. stay at home, stay safe, | |||
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"This NEW? strain of virus was discovered mid September in London it puzzles me that they are just announcing it now and Hancock on tv this morning saying he has only just heard about it which I very much doubt. I'm no conspiracy theorist but I agree They have known about this for weeks and there is no evidence it's any more contagious It's the old cos the south is having a spike let's fuck everyone's crimbo up.. That'll teach them .. Remember all them jibes when it spiked up here.? All in it together now though... "what a load of garbage pretty sure the rest of us got to keep christmas day and only london is in immediate full lockdown | |||
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"What other countries have a new strain as well. Do we know the numbers of the mutation globally yet Italy Netherlands, Denmark and Australia according to WHO and I’m sure more will follow " Lots of concern about South Africa as well. | |||
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"What other countries have a new strain as well. Do we know the numbers of the mutation globally yet Italy Netherlands, Denmark and Australia according to WHO and I’m sure more will follow Lots of concern about South Africa as well. " I don't give a rat's arse for South Africa. | |||
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"Cheer up looks like the oxford vaccine will be approved before the new year then mass vaccination can begin in earnest as it can be kept at ambient temperature. "Sod that Oxford shit.. 60% effective.. I want the real one or none at all.. | |||
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"England is not London centric.. Londoners are London centric.. Respect to those staying there but no to the London muck spreaders.." You are so black and white..... believe everything you read, well part read. But you carry on with your slurring if it makes you feel better | |||
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"England is not London centric.. Londoners are London centric.. Respect to those staying there but no to the London muck spreaders.. You are so black and white..... believe everything you read, well part read. But you carry on with your slurring if it makes you feel better " Slurrying you mean.. My last post was about muck spreaders.. | |||
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"England is not London centric.. Londoners are London centric.. Respect to those staying there but no to the London muck spreaders.. You are so black and white..... believe everything you read, well part read. But you carry on with your slurring if it makes you feel better " Seems care in the community is still not working. | |||
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"England is not London centric.. Londoners are London centric.. Respect to those staying there but no to the London muck spreaders.. You are so black and white..... believe everything you read, well part read. But you carry on with your slurring if it makes you feel better Slurrying you mean.. My last post was about muck spreaders.." I knew what I meant | |||
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"England is not London centric.. Londoners are London centric.. Respect to those staying there but no to the London muck spreaders.. You are so black and white..... believe everything you read, well part read. But you carry on with your slurring if it makes you feel better Seems care in the community is still not working. "  | |||
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"England is not London centric.. Londoners are London centric.. Respect to those staying there but no to the London muck spreaders.. You are so black and white..... believe everything you read, well part read. But you carry on with your slurring if it makes you feel better Seems care in the community is still not working. "But a post mocking mental health treatment is funny.. why ? | |||
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"Think guys before you approve of someone making fun of our care in the community...mental health issues are hilarious yes ?" ******************************* Grow up man | |||
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"Think guys before you approve of someone making fun of our care in the community...mental health issues are hilarious yes ? ******************************* Grow up man" You defend it then ? | |||
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"Think guys before you approve of someone making fun of our care in the community...mental health issues are hilarious yes ? ******************************* Grow up man" he's just trolling as usual, best not to take seriously. | |||
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"Think guys before you approve of someone making fun of our care in the community...mental health issues are hilarious yes ? ******************************* Grow up man You defend it then ?" ****************************** I said "Grow up man" | |||
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"Think guys before you approve of someone making fun of our care in the community...mental health issues are hilarious yes ? ******************************* Grow up man You defend it then ? ****************************** I said "Grow up man"" So you know nothing of a posters mental health and show no remorse for making fun of care in the community.. Go on reply with Grow up man | |||
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"Usual high standard of debate Mocking mental health. " Are you saying tom is mental? | |||
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"Usual high standard of debate Mocking mental health. " Not even Essex Tom ever stooped that low.. | |||
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"Usual high standard of debate Mocking mental health. " ************************** Who's "mocking mental health"? | |||
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"Usual high standard of debate Mocking mental health. Are you saying tom is mental?" No but you are continuing to mock mental health victims | |||
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"Usual high standard of debate Mocking mental health. ************************** Who's "mocking mental health"?" You | |||
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"Think guys before you approve of someone making fun of our care in the community...mental health issues are hilarious yes ? ******************************* Grow up man You defend it then ? ****************************** I said "Grow up man" So you know nothing of a posters mental health and show no remorse for making fun of care in the community.. Go on reply with Grow up man" **************************** I'm out of here son. | |||
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"Italy have confirmed they have a patient with the new strain." Watch with interest as to how the rest of the EU respond to Italy as they have announced they will be looking into a coordinated response to the UK. The cynic in me wonders if there's a last ditched whiff of brexit retaliation.
Ireland have put a 48 HR ban on flights and travel. Do they think it's not already there?
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"Sovereign nations of the EU utilise their powers to restrict potential danger from affecting them. Seems rather appropriate and done promptly - a little different from other places, like the UK. " | |||
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"This NEW? strain of virus was discovered mid September in London it puzzles me that they are just announcing it now and Hancock on tv this morning saying he has only just heard about it which I very much doubt. I'm no conspiracy theorist but I agree They have known about this for weeks and there is no evidence it's any more contagious " It seems there is evidence it is more infectious and it is spreading across the UK. This “new” strain has come from a low base to being the dominant strain very quickly. For it to be the dominant strain it must be spreading faster than other strains.. | |||
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"Sovereign nations of the EU utilise their powers to restrict potential danger from affecting them. Seems rather appropriate and done promptly - a little different from other places, like the UK. " Nah its Brexit retaliation obvs | |||
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"Sovereign nations of the EU utilise their powers to restrict potential danger from affecting them. Seems rather appropriate and done promptly - a little different from other places, like the UK. " and hell of a bargaining point for the brexit negotiations EU have basically cut us off for 48 hrs look what we can do now behave and negotiate | |||
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Ireland have put a 48 HR ban on flights and travel. Do they think it's not already there?
The more rational side of me thinks many countries have wanted to close their borders but not one was willing to face the political fallout resulting in the decision, now they have found an excuse."I read somewhere that the 48 hour ban that france has put in place is on freight too.It said it was to work on a new testing plan with eu partners before reopening once one had been agreed. | |||
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"Sovereign nations of the EU utilise their powers to restrict potential danger from affecting them. Seems rather appropriate and done promptly - a little different from other places, like the UK. and hell of a bargaining point for the brexit negotiations EU have basically cut us off for 48 hrs look what we can do now behave and negotiate " Presumably we would do the same if it was found in france? | |||
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"Israel have also stopped us getting in Didnt know they were in the eu the crafty buggers." Duh, Lionel. They're in Eurovision, ergo Europe | |||
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"Israel have also stopped us getting in Didnt know they were in the eu the crafty buggers. Duh, Lionel. They're in Eurovision, ergo Europe "But they arent in the European cup? 
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Ireland have put a 48 HR ban on flights and travel. Do they think it's not already there?
The more rational side of me thinks many countries have wanted to close their borders but not one was willing to face the political fallout resulting in the decision, now they have found an excuse.I read somewhere that the 48 hour ban that france has put in place is on freight too.It said it was to work on a new testing plan with eu partners before reopening once one had been agreed."It’s correct that no traffic by any means will leave UK bound for France (via Dover ferry or tunnel) and that includes freight. | |||
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"Israel have also stopped us getting in Didnt know they were in the eu the crafty buggers." They don’t have to be in the Eu to ban us, Australia isn’t | |||
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Liverpool have never played fC tel Aviv!"what about maccabi haifa playing in the euro cups? mind you australia take part in eurovision so no idea where i am going with this... | |||
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Ireland have put a 48 HR ban on flights and travel. Do they think it's not already there?
The more rational side of me thinks many countries have wanted to close their borders but not one was willing to face the political fallout resulting in the decision, now they have found an excuse."There has been an emergency EU meeting called for tomorrow morning.... as Spain wanted a coordinated response rather than each country going its own way... which sounds responsible.... I am guessing you are going to see a blanket eu travel ban for the next 2 to 3 weeks..... Also johnson has just called a cobra meeting for tomorrow morning..... You are about to get an early example of what “no deal” is going to look like | |||
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"It seems that the latest government idea for frightening the population into cooperating has spectacularly backfired and ended up causing the borders to be closed. Those on here saying we should have closed the borders completely to keep the virus out going to find out how that plays out. Expect the government to say there is no need for panic buying next." There is not but lots of fools about will panic buy | |||
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Ireland have put a 48 HR ban on flights and travel. Do they think it's not already there?
The more rational side of me thinks many countries have wanted to close their borders but not one was willing to face the political fallout resulting in the decision, now they have found an excuse.
There has been an emergency EU meeting called for tomorrow morning.... as Spain wanted a coordinated response rather than each country going its own way... which sounds responsible....
I am guessing you are going to see a blanket eu travel ban for the next 2 to 3 weeks.....
Also johnson has just called a cobra meeting for tomorrow morning.....
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"Israel have also stopped us getting in Didnt know they were in the eu the crafty buggers. Israel have stopped all non nationals coming in from the uk, Denmark and South Africa Turkey’s just done the same..." The list will get longer within the next 24 hours. What the UK should do is show good faith and just close our borders. | |||
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Ireland have put a 48 HR ban on flights and travel. Do they think it's not already there?
The more rational side of me thinks many countries have wanted to close their borders but not one was willing to face the political fallout resulting in the decision, now they have found an excuse.I read somewhere that the 48 hour ban that france has put in place is on freight too.It said it was to work on a new testing plan with eu partners before reopening once one had been agreed.
It’s correct that no traffic by any means will leave UK bound for France (via Dover ferry or tunnel) and that includes freight. "Which then begs the question... what lorry fright companies on the continental side are going to want to send sets to the uk not knowing when they would get them back! | |||
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"Israel have also stopped us getting in Didnt know they were in the eu the crafty buggers. They don’t have to be in the Eu to ban us, Australia isn’t "Ahh I thought it was a ploy by those devious European European buggers | |||
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Ireland have put a 48 HR ban on flights and travel. Do they think it's not already there?
The more rational side of me thinks many countries have wanted to close their borders but not one was willing to face the political fallout resulting in the decision, now they have found an excuse.I read somewhere that the 48 hour ban that france has put in place is on freight too.It said it was to work on a new testing plan with eu partners before reopening once one had been agreed.
It’s correct that no traffic by any means will leave UK bound for France (via Dover ferry or tunnel) and that includes freight.
Which then begs the question... what lorry fright companies on the continental side are going to want to send sets to the uk not knowing when they would get them back! "They don’t and they won’t be coming via France. | |||
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Ireland have put a 48 HR ban on flights and travel. Do they think it's not already there?
The more rational side of me thinks many countries have wanted to close their borders but not one was willing to face the political fallout resulting in the decision, now they have found an excuse.
There has been an emergency EU meeting called for tomorrow morning.... as Spain wanted a coordinated response rather than each country going its own way... which sounds responsible....
I am guessing you are going to see a blanket eu travel ban for the next 2 to 3 weeks.....
Also johnson has just called a cobra meeting for tomorrow morning.....
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Ahh I thought it was a ploy by those devious European European buggers "Hey if we nailed it every year I’d get that but normally nil poi | |||
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"Talk about self victimisation. Travel restrictions and border closures have been used on multiple occasion to stop the spread of corona virus. America, China The EU and others have all implemented measures at their borders in the last 12 months. But pariahs..... get a grip. " Another day in the life of your average brexiteeer | |||
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And Turkey. I'm sensing this is actually a co-ordinated anti-UK attack by the Eurovision Massive. Crafty buggers
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"This NEW? strain of virus was discovered mid September in London it puzzles me that they are just announcing it now and Hancock on tv this morning saying he has only just heard about it which I very much doubt. This is what Sir Kier Airhead said and he was wrong too. It was discovered in October from a sample taken in September. OK, not much difference but fact as opposed to listening to Mr Hindsight Do you have a point?" The point is it wasn't factual | |||
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"This NEW? strain of virus was discovered mid September in London it puzzles me that they are just announcing it now and Hancock on tv this morning saying he has only just heard about it which I very much doubt. This is what Sir Kier Airhead said and he was wrong too. It was discovered in October from a sample taken in September. OK, not much difference but fact as opposed to listening to Mr Hindsight I have no live for Starmer, however do you really believe that Hancock who just happens to be the health secretary just found out about the new strain the other day? given his past record for telling huge porkies I think they knew but kept it under wraps just to let London carry on as normal, remember they were kept in a lower tier despite having higher rates than cities and areas in higher tiers, even the lockdowns were political. " Did I say anywhere that I believe Hancock or did you assume? | |||
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"Italy have confirmed they have a patient with the new strain. Watch with interest as to how the rest of the EU respond to Italy as they have announced they will be looking into a coordinated response to the UK. The cynic in me wonders if there's a last ditched whiff of brexit retaliation.
Ireland have put a 48 HR ban on flights and travel. Do they think it's not already there?
The more rational side of me thinks many countries have wanted to close their borders but not one was willing to face the political fallout resulting in the decision, now they have found an excuse.I read somewhere that the 48 hour ban that france has put in place is on freight too.It said it was to work on a new testing plan with eu partners before reopening once one had been agreed.
It’s correct that no traffic by any means will leave UK bound for France (via Dover ferry or tunnel) and that includes freight.
Which then begs the question... what lorry fright companies on the continental side are going to want to send sets to the uk not knowing when they would get them back! "what about the EU drivers who now cannot get back home for christmas even more camping out in the laybyes of kent | |||
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Ireland have put a 48 HR ban on flights and travel. Do they think it's not already there?
The more rational side of me thinks many countries have wanted to close their borders but not one was willing to face the political fallout resulting in the decision, now they have found an excuse.I read somewhere that the 48 hour ban that france has put in place is on freight too.It said it was to work on a new testing plan with eu partners before reopening once one had been agreed.
It’s correct that no traffic by any means will leave UK bound for France (via Dover ferry or tunnel) and that includes freight.
Which then begs the question... what lorry fright companies on the continental side are going to want to send sets to the uk not knowing when they would get them back! what about the EU drivers who now cannot get back home for christmas even more camping out in the laybyes of kent "Feel for them | |||
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"This NEW? strain of virus was discovered mid September in London it puzzles me that they are just announcing it now and Hancock on tv this morning saying he has only just heard about it which I very much doubt. This is what Sir Kier Airhead said and he was wrong too. It was discovered in October from a sample taken in September. OK, not much difference but fact as opposed to listening to Mr Hindsight Do you have a point? The point is it wasn't factual " So it was discovered in Oct and not September? Potentially a few days difference? | |||
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"Boris and co have well and truly fucked up by not closing down London in November when they knew 25% of all cases were the new variant.. Just what the fuck has gone on since then to today when Hancock says it's out of control..?" He knew if he would have done it then it would have been very unpopular I reckon. The papers have been banging this save Christmas drum for months. He didnt want to be responsible for cancelling chrimbo(which he accused ks of last week) | |||
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"Boris and co have well and truly fucked up by not closing down London in November when they knew 25% of all cases were the new variant.. Just what the fuck has gone on since then to today when Hancock says it's out of control..?" What you don't say is that this new variant was only found this month and it is by backwards tracing using the genetic evidence suggests this variant emerged in September 2020 and then circulated at very low levels in the population until mid-November. So your insinuations are not true and quite misleading. Though it suites your tone of blaming the government. | |||
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"If this backward sequencing is accurate and the variant emerged in September 2020 then you can be sure it's already in most areas of the UK but has yet to be identified. People need to get a grip with what they're saying at times." this. And that what you said above it too. Much sense in both posts | |||
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"There have been several variants pop up in other European countries which have caused no border closures. Because Hancock overdramatized this one to frighten the population into obeying tier 4 he has forced the neighbouring countries to close their borders." Are you suggesting that other developed nations haven't done their own analysis and just taken the word of Matt Hancock? Is it 1st April already? My, how time flies when you're having fun | |||
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"There have been several variants pop up in other European countries which have caused no border closures. Because Hancock overdramatized this one to frighten the population into obeying tier 4 he has forced the neighbouring countries to close their borders. Are you suggesting that other developed nations haven't done their own analysis and just taken the word of Matt Hancock? Is it 1st April already? My, how time flies when you're having fun "They haven't done any analysis yet, that's why they are closing the borders. A bit like when some dickhead sets the fire alarm off and everyone stands outside in their pyjamas until they figure out it was a false alarm. Hancock was that dickhead. | |||
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"There have been several variants pop up in other European countries which have caused no border closures. Because Hancock overdramatized this one to frighten the population into obeying tier 4 he has forced the neighbouring countries to close their borders. Are you suggesting that other developed nations haven't done their own analysis and just taken the word of Matt Hancock? Is it 1st April already? My, how time flies when you're having fun
They haven't done any analysis yet, that's why they are closing the borders. A bit like when some dickhead sets the fire alarm off and everyone stands outside in their pyjamas until they figure out it was a false alarm. Hancock was that dickhead."They've done no analysis, yet Italy has identified at least one example of this variant. Okay, understood Also, you clearly have no idea about the interconnected nature of scientific research, even in this era of Brexit. If we identified something days/weeks ago, we have been collaborating with Europe and worldwide partners on it. | |||
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"There have been several variants pop up in other European countries which have caused no border closures. Because Hancock overdramatized this one to frighten the population into obeying tier 4 he has forced the neighbouring countries to close their borders. Are you suggesting that other developed nations haven't done their own analysis and just taken the word of Matt Hancock? Is it 1st April already? My, how time flies when you're having fun
They haven't done any analysis yet, that's why they are closing the borders. A bit like when some dickhead sets the fire alarm off and everyone stands outside in their pyjamas until they figure out it was a false alarm. Hancock was that dickhead."No analysis, then if not why have Netherlands, Denmark, Italy and Australia already identified the strain. | |||
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They haven't done any analysis yet, that's why they are closing the borders. A bit like when some dickhead sets the fire alarm off and everyone stands outside in their pyjamas until they figure out it was a false alarm. Hancock was that dickhead."Not everyone thinks like that, and to blame others for the way you think doesn't make much sense. Think you need to try harder | |||
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"Some sense to be read here: BBC News - New coronavirus variant: What do we know? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55388846" Good read | |||
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"Holland, Belgium, France and Germany banning flights from the UK.. What's going on here ?" Cockney COVID ! | |||
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"Holland, Belgium, France and Germany banning flights from the UK.. What's going on here ? Cockney COVID !" Being spread countrywide since Saturday when tier 4 was announced. | |||
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"This NEW? strain of virus was discovered mid September in London it puzzles me that they are just announcing it now and Hancock on tv this morning saying he has only just heard about it which I very much doubt. This is what Sir Kier Airhead said and he was wrong too. It was discovered in October from a sample taken in September. OK, not much difference but fact as opposed to listening to Mr Hindsight Do you have a point? The point is it wasn't factual So it was discovered in Oct and not September? Potentially a few days difference?" Yes but facts are facts If others stretched the truth before we know it, it had been there before the first lockdown. All in saying is that it was October not September irrespective if it was 2 days or 60 days. | |||
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"It's an indication that countries realise that you need to respond quickly. Do people still think it was wrong for the government to suddenly change Christmas travel agreements? It's not the government that has caused the spread, but the people who are simply being selfish and ignoring of trying to get around the rules. If people had restricted their movements, minimised their contacts and only done was what's really essential, we most likely wouldn't be were we are now." Well said | |||
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"Boris and co have well and truly fucked up by not closing down London in November when they knew 25% of all cases were the new variant.. Just what the fuck has gone on since then to today when Hancock says it's out of control..? What you don't say is that this new variant was only found this month and it is by backwards tracing using the genetic evidence suggests this variant emerged in September 2020 and then circulated at very low levels in the population until mid-November. So your insinuations are not true and quite misleading. Though it suites your tone of blaming the government." Excellent | |||
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"Dec 2020 bj "it will be inhuman to cancel Christmas' Changes his tune 4 days later March 2020..'we can turn the tide in 12 weeks' July 2020..'we will be back to normal by Christmas July 2020 'we dont need another national lockdown' Oct 2020 'another lockdown would be a disaster" Call me mr cynical but I may start talking his words with a pinch of salt." Surely it could be the change of position of the scientists You missed a few other bits. July 2020 ease lockdown. No spike August 2020 Eat out to help out scheme. No spike September 2020 schools, college and university return. Massive spike Yeah, let's blame someone | |||
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"Dec 2020 bj "it will be inhuman to cancel Christmas' Changes his tune 4 days later March 2020..'we can turn the tide in 12 weeks' July 2020..'we will be back to normal by Christmas July 2020 'we dont need another national lockdown' Oct 2020 'another lockdown would be a disaster" Call me mr cynical but I may start talking his words with a pinch of salt. Surely it could be the change of position of the scientists You missed a few other bits. July 2020 ease lockdown. No spike August 2020 Eat out to help out scheme. No spike September 2020 schools, college and university return. Massive spike Yeah, let's blame someone " Other than those who are spreading it. Could it be that it's their own behaviour that's contributed to the deaths of so many? Easy to say , oh but the scientists said we can do this or do that rather than looking at what causes the mass spread and killed so many and say and change their selfish behaviour and don't do things. We've only ourselves to blame for the deaths of our loved ones, friends and those we've infected. Not the government so get a grip people and change. | |||
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"Dec 2020 bj "it will be inhuman to cancel Christmas' Changes his tune 4 days later March 2020..'we can turn the tide in 12 weeks' July 2020..'we will be back to normal by Christmas July 2020 'we dont need another national lockdown' Oct 2020 'another lockdown would be a disaster" Call me mr cynical but I may start talking his words with a pinch of salt. Surely it could be the change of position of the scientists You missed a few other bits. July 2020 ease lockdown. No spike August 2020 Eat out to help out scheme. No spike September 2020 schools, college and university return. Massive spike Yeah, let's blame someone " I doubt the scientists said..go it and tell everyone it will be over by Christmas I think you will find there was a spike after the eat our scheme | |||
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"Dec 2020 bj "it will be inhuman to cancel Christmas' Changes his tune 4 days later March 2020..'we can turn the tide in 12 weeks' July 2020..'we will be back to normal by Christmas July 2020 'we dont need another national lockdown' Oct 2020 'another lockdown would be a disaster" Call me mr cynical but I may start talking his words with a pinch of salt. Surely it could be the change of position of the scientists You missed a few other bits. July 2020 ease lockdown. No spike August 2020 Eat out to help out scheme. No spike September 2020 schools, college and university return. Massive spike Yeah, let's blame someone Other than those who are spreading it. Could it be that it's their own behaviour that's contributed to the deaths of so many? Easy to say , oh but the scientists said we can do this or do that rather than looking at what causes the mass spread and killed so many and say and change their selfish behaviour and don't do things. We've only ourselves to blame for the deaths of our loved ones, friends and those we've infected. Not the government so get a grip people and change." I didn't realise we decided to move infected people into care homes Or introduce the eat out scheme which made cases go up Or made decisions to late Or ignoted scientific advice. Try "getting a grip'yourself. | |||
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"Dec 2020 bj "it will be inhuman to cancel Christmas' Changes his tune 4 days later March 2020..'we can turn the tide in 12 weeks' July 2020..'we will be back to normal by Christmas July 2020 'we dont need another national lockdown' Oct 2020 'another lockdown would be a disaster" Call me mr cynical but I may start talking his words with a pinch of salt. Surely it could be the change of position of the scientists You missed a few other bits. July 2020 ease lockdown. No spike August 2020 Eat out to help out scheme. No spike September 2020 schools, college and university return. Massive spike Yeah, let's blame someone Other than those who are spreading it. Could it be that it's their own behaviour that's contributed to the deaths of so many? Easy to say , oh but the scientists said we can do this or do that rather than looking at what causes the mass spread and killed so many and say and change their selfish behaviour and don't do things. We've only ourselves to blame for the deaths of our loved ones, friends and those we've infected. Not the government so get a grip people and change. I didn't realise we decided to move infected people into care homes Or introduce the eat out scheme which made cases go up Or made decisions to late Or ignoted scientific advice. Try "getting a grip'yourself." You're a classic case of blame others from beginning to end in 99% of your comments on here and on Brexit. It's all the government. Where did I say..... we decided to move infected people into care homes? .....eat out scheme which made cases go up... So it's the governments fault as people had no choice to eat at home and were forced by the government without choice to go out and eat, knowing that you pass it on to others when socialising. Yeah that's right they we're adult enough to chose what's right or wrong. ....Or made decisions to late. What decisions were made late? Nothing has changed from march when they said the way to control this virus and reduce the spread is if we avoid close contact with others. Wash your hands, wear a mask, keep your distance from others, and reduce your social contacts. It is the same, whatever the variant. Do you really need to be told anything else and have your hand held like a toddler who can't think for themselves? ....Or ignoted scientific advice. Only people who have ignored scientific advice are the idiots who have gone out and ignored what scientists said at the beginning and minimise your social contacts avoid unnecessary travel, avoid unnecessary social activity and do what is essential. So what you're basically saying with your response is that it's the governments fault spreading the virus and it's the governments fault for people acting in their own selfish behaviour and choose to do what isn't the right thing to do? | |||
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"Why in god's name did the idiots in Whitehall allow trains cars etc to leave the capital. Should have been an instant ban on travel to keep the selfish bastsrds locked down ." Sorry? Are you really suggesting marshal law? If that's the case then it needs to be applied everywhere as this virus and dare I say this new strain is mostly likely already in most corners of the UK and Ireland as it's been around since September. | |||
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"Dec 2020 bj "it will be inhuman to cancel Christmas' Changes his tune 4 days later March 2020..'we can turn the tide in 12 weeks' July 2020..'we will be back to normal by Christmas July 2020 'we dont need another national lockdown' Oct 2020 'another lockdown would be a disaster" Call me mr cynical but I may start talking his words with a pinch of salt. Surely it could be the change of position of the scientists You missed a few other bits. July 2020 ease lockdown. No spike August 2020 Eat out to help out scheme. No spike September 2020 schools, college and university return. Massive spike Yeah, let's blame someone Other than those who are spreading it. Could it be that it's their own behaviour that's contributed to the deaths of so many? Easy to say , oh but the scientists said we can do this or do that rather than looking at what causes the mass spread and killed so many and say and change their selfish behaviour and don't do things. We've only ourselves to blame for the deaths of our loved ones, friends and those we've infected. Not the government so get a grip people and change. I didn't realise we decided to move infected people into care homes Or introduce the eat out scheme which made cases go up Or made decisions to late Or ignoted scientific advice. Try "getting a grip'yourself. You're a classic case of blame others from beginning to end in 99% of your comments on here and on Brexit. It's all the government. Where did I say..... we decided to move infected people into care homes? .....eat out scheme which made cases go up... So it's the governments fault as people had no choice to eat at home and were forced by the government without choice to go out and eat, knowing that you pass it on to others when socialising. Yeah that's right they we're adult enough to chose what's right or wrong. ....Or made decisions to late. What decisions were made late? Nothing has changed from march when they said the way to control this virus and reduce the spread is if we avoid close contact with others. Wash your hands, wear a mask, keep your distance from others, and reduce your social contacts. It is the same, whatever the variant. Do you really need to be told anything else and have your hand held like a toddler who can't think for themselves? ....Or ignoted scientific advice. Only people who have ignored scientific advice are the idiots who have gone out and ignored what scientists said at the beginning and minimise your social contacts avoid unnecessary travel, avoid unnecessary social activity and do what is essential. So what you're basically saying with your response is that it's the governments fault spreading the virus and it's the governments fault for people acting in their own selfish behaviour and choose to do what isn't the right thing to do?" The gmnt were advised 2 weeks ago to keep things closed over Christmas (only last week johnson was ripping into ks for wanting to cancel Christmas ) Advice they blatantly ignored. Cases have been rising in the south for weeks and they have decided to act only now. It has been handled appallingly from the start and that is their responsibility | |||
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I have decided I’m too old for this conversation.
Anyone remember a time before Eurotunnel? No?
Our fantastic British weather would regular as clockwork each winter cut us off from our European neighbours for 24/48hr stretches.
I even spent iirc 14hrs on a cross channel ferry a couple of miles outside Dover one year where pretty much half the lorry deck was trashed.
So we are cut off, boo hoo, get over it! Croissants are baked in the U.K. you know
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"Dec 2020 bj "it will be inhuman to cancel Christmas' Changes his tune 4 days later March 2020..'we can turn the tide in 12 weeks' July 2020..'we will be back to normal by Christmas July 2020 'we dont need another national lockdown' Oct 2020 'another lockdown would be a disaster" Call me mr cynical but I may start talking his words with a pinch of salt. Surely it could be the change of position of the scientists You missed a few other bits. July 2020 ease lockdown. No spike August 2020 Eat out to help out scheme. No spike September 2020 schools, college and university return. Massive spike Yeah, let's blame someone Other than those who are spreading it. Could it be that it's their own behaviour that's contributed to the deaths of so many? Easy to say , oh but the scientists said we can do this or do that rather than looking at what causes the mass spread and killed so many and say and change their selfish behaviour and don't do things. We've only ourselves to blame for the deaths of our loved ones, friends and those we've infected. Not the government so get a grip people and change. I didn't realise we decided to move infected people into care homes Or introduce the eat out scheme which made cases go up Or made decisions to late Or ignoted scientific advice. Try "getting a grip'yourself. You're a classic case of blame others from beginning to end in 99% of your comments on here and on Brexit. It's all the government. Where did I say..... we decided to move infected people into care homes? .....eat out scheme which made cases go up... So it's the governments fault as people had no choice to eat at home and were forced by the government without choice to go out and eat, knowing that you pass it on to others when socialising. Yeah that's right they we're adult enough to chose what's right or wrong. ....Or made decisions to late. What decisions were made late? Nothing has changed from march when they said the way to control this virus and reduce the spread is if we avoid close contact with others. Wash your hands, wear a mask, keep your distance from others, and reduce your social contacts. It is the same, whatever the variant. Do you really need to be told anything else and have your hand held like a toddler who can't think for themselves? ....Or ignoted scientific advice. Only people who have ignored scientific advice are the idiots who have gone out and ignored what scientists said at the beginning and minimise your social contacts avoid unnecessary travel, avoid unnecessary social activity and do what is essential. So what you're basically saying with your response is that it's the governments fault spreading the virus and it's the governments fault for people acting in their own selfish behaviour and choose to do what isn't the right thing to do? The gmnt were advised 2 weeks ago to keep things closed over Christmas (only last week johnson was ripping into ks for wanting to cancel Christmas ) Advice they blatantly ignored. Cases have been rising in the south for weeks and they have decided to act only now. It has been handled appallingly from the start and that is their responsibility "  | |||
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"Boris and co have well and truly fucked up by not closing down London in November when they knew 25% of all cases were the new variant.. Just what the fuck has gone on since then to today when Hancock says it's out of control..? What you don't say is that this new variant was only found this month and it is by backwards tracing using the genetic evidence suggests this variant emerged in September 2020 and then circulated at very low levels in the population until mid-November. So your insinuations are not true and quite misleading. Though it suites your tone of blaming the government." Actually that's a very very solid point and my apologies if I've got it wrong on the timing.. I suspect we will know more whichever way this goes.. Whilst I have been very critical of this government where it's justified I have not only been so when they've got things right and that's on here too.. I make no apologies however for being critical of gross incompetence in the issues of conflicts of interest and Tory associates with absolutely no proven track record in providing fit for purpose PPE whilst established companies in the field were ignored in this crisis.. So to reiterate I'm fine with putting my hands up if what you say is correct but if not then I'll leave others to judge.. | |||
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"If this backward sequencing is accurate and the variant emerged in September 2020 then you can be sure it's already in most areas of the UK but has yet to be identified. People need to get a grip with what they're saying at times." If and I'm sure we both know that's the issue in this new aspect, the data is accurate to suggest the new variant was known in September might it not have been in Liverpool when they did the mass testing..? On getting a grip with what people are saying then yes, fair point but when you've had close family writing good bye letters from a hospital bed seen the effects of this on other loved ones and all the time following the advice set to the letter, only seeing ones children once and grandchildren the same and seeing countless idiots on here wanting to meet and the even higher numbers if people ignoring common sense who have helped to spread this virus then frustration with a bit of the anxiety we all seem to have doesn't help.. And in saying all that fully recognising how fortunate one is and grateful for that.. | |||
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