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"So from my understanding certain areas can now only meet for Christmas Day only. Surely you can still pass or catch it in that period from the person you’re mixing with. So whether it’s one day or the original five, what’s the difference? " No one said one day is safe, however it is safer than five days. | |||
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"I’ll summarise it all for you. Utter bollocks, borderline propaganda to control the masses " Oh do shut up with your ridiculous conspiracy theory bollocks. Getting so sick of people coming out with this shit. | |||
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"It's just simply reducing the risk. If you are with people for 5 days I guess you are 5 times more likely to have a chance of infecting them." Only if you’ve got it surely? | |||
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"I’ll summarise it all for you. Utter bollocks, borderline propaganda to control the masses " Totally agree , the Bed wetters need to comply Comrade | |||
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"And it’s not conspiracy theory My partner gets the Covid statistics from the NHS The truth is very different to what you see on BBC news" Good for you, if you have access to the statistics, then I suggest you learn to interpret them. Because I'm pretty sure the NHS aren't telling you it's a plan to control the masses. | |||
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"And it’s not conspiracy theory My partner gets the Covid statistics from the NHS The truth is very different to what you see on BBC news" You have got a point You cant see grandparents on Boxing day But they can look after your kids the day after Its all getting a tad ridiculous I predict a riot | |||
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"New variant my arse 70% more spreadable - we could call it Covid lighter then. New variant not medically confirmed or peer reviewed, yet they know the vaccination still works tho. Utter bollocks" So they are exaggerating it then? | |||
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"It will stop people travelling, not so many will get up Christmas morning travel to relatives or friends, not drink and then drive home. Kind of think it gives those with elderly or vulnerable friends and relatives chance to see them on Christmas Day but not full on party’s." Someone made that point the other day The amount of people who live in London but have family around the uk must be massive | |||
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"And it’s not conspiracy theory My partner gets the Covid statistics from the NHS The truth is very different to what you see on BBC news You have got a point You cant see grandparents on Boxing day But they can look after your kids the day after Its all getting a tad ridiculous I predict a riot" I feel sure there will eventually be one and think the lockdowns will be this government’s Poll Tax millstone | |||
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"Do you really believe there is a new variant that is 70% more spreadable than the original Lurpak? We’ve got 2m distancing, face masks, face screens, Perspex screens, alcohol gel - yet this bad-boy gets through it all. Come on, pull the other one" Yes I do, because that's exactly what the figures are showing. It's also showing how the new strain is very rapidly becoming the dominant one, which means any further variations are likely to also benefit from the enhanced traits for infection this one has. At the moment it is seemingly no more lethal, I am seriously hoping this continues as a further mutation leading to a more severe outcome would be horrific. | |||
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"Do you really believe there is a new variant that is 70% more spreadable than the original Lurpak? We’ve got 2m distancing, face masks, face screens, Perspex screens, alcohol gel - yet this bad-boy gets through it all. Come on, pull the other one" 1 question Why? | |||
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"does anyone realy spend five days with there extended family? i usualy at aunts for xmas with my cousins and all there kids to be honest by about 6 30 xmas day nite ive had enough of a dozen hyper kids and get off home" Nope, I normally spend Xmas day and boxing day with family, then a chunk of the rest catching up with various friends. Absolutely not doing that this year. | |||
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"I’ll summarise it all for you. Utter bollocks, borderline propaganda to control the masses "Yep | |||
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"I’ll summarise it all for you. Utter bollocks, borderline propaganda to control the masses " everybodys controlled anyway in normal times.. nothing and nobody is free.. | |||
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"The amount of people who live in London but have family around the uk must be massive " Some of us even live outside London and have family that don’t live next door  | |||
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"It will stop people travelling, not so many will get up Christmas morning travel to relatives or friends, not drink and then drive home. Kind of think it gives those with elderly or vulnerable friends and relatives chance to see them on Christmas Day but not full on party’s. Someone made that point the other day The amount of people who live in London but have family around the uk must be massive " I said that from day one of the first lockdown in spring, there’s a lot of people work in London but family or family homes outside of London, soon as they did lockdown and work from home came in there was mass exodus spreading the virus across the country, then when a lot of areas hit tier 3 people returned to London as less restrictive, erm now look at London, we should do like Spain and stop movement between county’s to stop the spread. | |||
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"And it’s not conspiracy theory My partner gets the Covid statistics from the NHS The truth is very different to what you see on BBC news You have got a point You cant see grandparents on Boxing day But they can look after your kids the day after Its all getting a tad ridiculous I predict a riot" I think the riot part is a bit far fetched. I think if we can have a proper Christmas next year, a little bit of restraint now would be good. Think of it like edging | |||
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"So from my understanding certain areas can now only meet for Christmas Day only. Surely you can still pass or catch it in that period from the person you’re mixing with. So whether it’s one day or the original five, what’s the difference? " Yes you are missing something. Any of the measures... Masks, distancing, reduced contact times, hand sanitising, etc... Are only about reducing risk of catching, risk of glancing blows, reducing viral load. A few percentage points at a time. Reduce the spread, reduce the viral load, that's all we've been trying to do. | |||
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"Less than 200 in hospital with Covid in Leeds, with less than 20 in ICU - but Xmas is cancelled cos it’s bad below the Watford Gap after 2 weeks in Tier 2. Nuff said really" So how many need to be on life support before you give up your Turkey? | |||
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"The amount of people who live in London but have family around the uk must be massive Some of us even live outside London and have family that don’t live next door " | |||
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"Less than 200 in hospital with Covid in Leeds, with less than 20 in ICU - but Xmas is cancelled cos it’s bad below the Watford Gap after 2 weeks in Tier 2. Nuff said really" You still havent said why? | |||
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"Less than 200 in hospital with Covid in Leeds, with less than 20 in ICU - but Xmas is cancelled cos it’s bad below the Watford Gap after 2 weeks in Tier 2. Nuff said really" Not sure what you are saying really apart from the huge chip on your shoulder. It's a bloody awful situation for everyone. Stay safe. | |||
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"Do you really believe there is a new variant that is 70% more spreadable than the original Lurpak? We’ve got 2m distancing, face masks, face screens, Perspex screens, alcohol gel - yet this bad-boy gets through it all. Come on, pull the other one 1 question Why?" I'll answer that one lionel North..all in tier 3 and london in tier 2 ...cos boris likes his cake and eat it. London is bound to explode with the pubs open. But boris does not want to shut london down...it explodes. Now cynical me might think a good way out of that is to blame it on a new variant rather then let it be blamed on dithering again. I could be wrong of course... | |||
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"I’ll summarise it all for you. Utter bollocks, borderline propaganda to control the masses Totally agree , the Bed wetters need to comply Comrade " Is that necessary? Not very friendly is it? | |||
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"I’ll summarise it all for you. Utter bollocks, borderline propaganda to control the masses " I'll tell you what's utter bollocks. Everything you type. I've not read such ridiculous drivel in a long time. E | |||
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"And it’s not conspiracy theory My partner gets the Covid statistics from the NHS The truth is very different to what you see on BBC news You have got a point You cant see grandparents on Boxing day But they can look after your kids the day after Its all getting a tad ridiculous I predict a riot I feel sure there will eventually be one and think the lockdowns will be this government’s Poll Tax millstone " Fucking bizarre. So people will make the effort to riot.... But won't make the effort to stop spreading the infection... | |||
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"And it’s not conspiracy theory My partner gets the Covid statistics from the NHS The truth is very different to what you see on BBC news You have got a point You cant see grandparents on Boxing day But they can look after your kids the day after Its all getting a tad ridiculous I predict a riot I feel sure there will eventually be one and think the lockdowns will be this government’s Poll Tax millstone Fucking bizarre. So people will make the effort to riot.... But won't make the effort to stop spreading the infection... " Rioting gets people out-and-about. Stopping the spread takes effort 
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"Do you really believe there is a new variant that is 70% more spreadable than the original Lurpak? We’ve got 2m distancing, face masks, face screens, Perspex screens, alcohol gel - yet this bad-boy gets through it all. Come on, pull the other one 1 question Why? I'll answer that one lionel North..all in tier 3 and london in tier 2 ...cos boris likes his cake and eat it. London is bound to explode with the pubs open. But boris does not want to shut london down...it explodes. Now cynical me might think a good way out of that is to blame it on a new variant rather then let it be blamed on dithering again. I could be wrong of course..." Cynic | |||
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"And it’s not conspiracy theory My partner gets the Covid statistics from the NHS The truth is very different to what you see on BBC news You have got a point You cant see grandparents on Boxing day But they can look after your kids the day after Its all getting a tad ridiculous I predict a riot I feel sure there will eventually be one and think the lockdowns will be this government’s Poll Tax millstone Fucking bizarre. So people will make the effort to riot.... But won't make the effort to stop spreading the infection... " What’s more bizarre is the lack of scrutiny of these decisions and the mainly unknown impact they will have in years to come. We’ve reached a point where the cure is now worse than the disease and the collateral damage of lockdown will eventually lead to civil unrest | |||
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"And it’s not conspiracy theory My partner gets the Covid statistics from the NHS The truth is very different to what you see on BBC news You have got a point You cant see grandparents on Boxing day But they can look after your kids the day after Its all getting a tad ridiculous I predict a riot I feel sure there will eventually be one and think the lockdowns will be this government’s Poll Tax millstone Fucking bizarre. So people will make the effort to riot.... But won't make the effort to stop spreading the infection... Rioting gets people out-and-about. Stopping the spread takes effort
Anything but me syndrome."I can get that there are differences of opinion. I can get that this is frightening or annoying or frustrating, I get that the impact on finances is mostly crushing, and I get that British human nature is generally to rail against people telling us what to do, but what I don't get at all is that, this is being spread and perpetuated by us. We have the power to stop spreading it. We choose not to. And then we moan when the consequences of increased infections rates, deaths, and post infection consequences. | |||
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"And it’s not conspiracy theory My partner gets the Covid statistics from the NHS The truth is very different to what you see on BBC news You have got a point You cant see grandparents on Boxing day But they can look after your kids the day after Its all getting a tad ridiculous I predict a riot I feel sure there will eventually be one and think the lockdowns will be this government’s Poll Tax millstone Fucking bizarre. So people will make the effort to riot.... But won't make the effort to stop spreading the infection... Rioting gets people out-and-about. Stopping the spread takes effort
Anything but me syndrome.
I can get that there are differences of opinion. I can get that this is frightening or annoying or frustrating, I get that the impact on finances is mostly crushing, and I get that British human nature is generally to rail against people telling us what to do, but what I don't get at all is that, this is being spread and perpetuated by us. We have the power to stop spreading it. We choose not to. And then we moan when the consequences of increased infections rates, deaths, and post infection consequences.
"And we see this refusal to follow the guidance over and over every day on the forums. "I'm not doing that" they defiantly proclaim. "Waaaaaa waaaaa waaaaa waaaaa why me" they cry. You reap what you sow fuckwits. E | |||
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"It's to stop people travelling really. Most people wouldn't go too far just for the day whereas for 5 days its worth travelling. " So obvious isn't it. E | |||
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"And it’s not conspiracy theory My partner gets the Covid statistics from the NHS The truth is very different to what you see on BBC news You have got a point You cant see grandparents on Boxing day But they can look after your kids the day after Its all getting a tad ridiculous I predict a riot I feel sure there will eventually be one and think the lockdowns will be this government’s Poll Tax millstone Fucking bizarre. So people will make the effort to riot.... But won't make the effort to stop spreading the infection... Rioting gets people out-and-about. Stopping the spread takes effort
Anything but me syndrome.
I can get that there are differences of opinion. I can get that this is frightening or annoying or frustrating, I get that the impact on finances is mostly crushing, and I get that British human nature is generally to rail against people telling us what to do, but what I don't get at all is that, this is being spread and perpetuated by us. We have the power to stop spreading it. We choose not to. And then we moan when the consequences of increased infections rates, deaths, and post infection consequences.
"But do you think there comes a point where people do what is asked over and over and it doesnt seem to make much difference. You cant keep asking people to believe in something that so obviously isnt working and the lockdowns dont work in the sense that as soon as they are relaxed we are back to square one. Im not suggesting an answer but people need to see results for their sacrifices rather than everything still falling to shit. | |||
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"And it’s not conspiracy theory My partner gets the Covid statistics from the NHS The truth is very different to what you see on BBC news You have got a point You cant see grandparents on Boxing day But they can look after your kids the day after Its all getting a tad ridiculous I predict a riot" Wouldn’t they then be your support bubble? If so then that is allowed. As with all these announcements the nitty gritty clarification normally comes the following day | |||
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"It will stop people travelling, not so many will get up Christmas morning travel to relatives or friends, not drink and then drive home. Kind of think it gives those with elderly or vulnerable friends and relatives chance to see them on Christmas Day but not full on party’s. Someone made that point the other day The amount of people who live in London but have family around the uk must be massive " Hence why lock us down, don’t want a quicker spreading strain passed around the country. A possible 10 million people on the move, not a great idea | |||
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"And it’s not conspiracy theory My partner gets the Covid statistics from the NHS The truth is very different to what you see on BBC news You have got a point You cant see grandparents on Boxing day But they can look after your kids the day after Its all getting a tad ridiculous I predict a riot I feel sure there will eventually be one and think the lockdowns will be this government’s Poll Tax millstone Fucking bizarre. So people will make the effort to riot.... But won't make the effort to stop spreading the infection... " Yes And they will cite " having their civil liberties taken away" | |||
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"And it’s not conspiracy theory My partner gets the Covid statistics from the NHS The truth is very different to what you see on BBC news You have got a point You cant see grandparents on Boxing day But they can look after your kids the day after Its all getting a tad ridiculous I predict a riot Wouldn’t they then be your support bubble? If so then that is allowed. As with all these announcements the nitty gritty clarification normally comes the following day " I thought that but child care bubble and a support bubble are actually very different. So you can have a child care bubble but they must not enter each other's houses it is only to hand over children. Not everyone that is entitled to a child care bubble is entitled to a support bubble. | |||
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"It's just simply reducing the risk. If you are with people for 5 days I guess you are 5 times more likely to have a chance of infecting them." I suspect that some would also have several "three household" get-togethers over the five day period, possibly without disclosing that they'd already met with others. Restricting to one day would reduce this... it will however ruin Christmas for others who maybe couldn't get together on Christmas day and planned to meet on a different day instead. Cal | |||
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"And it’s not conspiracy theory My partner gets the Covid statistics from the NHS The truth is very different to what you see on BBC news You have got a point You cant see grandparents on Boxing day But they can look after your kids the day after Its all getting a tad ridiculous I predict a riot Wouldn’t they then be your support bubble? If so then that is allowed. As with all these announcements the nitty gritty clarification normally comes the following day " It's almost like people deliberately look for the line they can moan about, rather than reading and understanding the broader intention. E | |||
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"Whatever The government is clearly losing its grip, compliance is dropping. I’ve followed the guidance genuinely the best I can - until now. I’ve worked through as a key worker, as has my partner, but I’ve had enough, and so have many others up here in the north. Bojo lost a large percentage of the working class West Yorkshire public on Thursday by not dropping us to Tier 2. This is the final straw for many. " Am I missing something T1-3 can still have their Christmas Day bubble, so what have you lost out on ? | |||
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"Whatever The government is clearly losing its grip, compliance is dropping. I’ve followed the guidance genuinely the best I can - until now. I’ve worked through as a key worker, as has my partner, but I’ve had enough, and so have many others up here in the north. Bojo lost a large percentage of the working class West Yorkshire public on Thursday by not dropping us to Tier 2. This is the final straw for many. Am I missing something T1-3 can still have their Christmas Day bubble, so what have you lost out on ? " It has now been reduced to one other household and only for 1 day which is Christmas Day with no overnight stays. | |||
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"Could it be that if cases go down then tiers go down to match. A lower tier means more mingling. So, surprise surprise cases go up again. And the tier goes up... I meant Just wait till tier 3 cases drop. We’ll be in tier 4 within the proverbial 5 minutes. The virus will spread no matter what." | |||
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"Whatever The government is clearly losing its grip, compliance is dropping. I’ve followed the guidance genuinely the best I can - until now. I’ve worked through as a key worker, as has my partner, but I’ve had enough, and so have many others up here in the north. Bojo lost a large percentage of the working class West Yorkshire public on Thursday by not dropping us to Tier 2. This is the final straw for many. Am I missing something T1-3 can still have their Christmas Day bubble, so what have you lost out on ? It has now been reduced to one other household and only for 1 day which is Christmas Day with no overnight stays." Therefore anybody that doesn't have their own transport or isn't local enough to travel there and back in A-day can no longer meet with their family. | |||
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"So from my understanding certain areas can now only meet for Christmas Day only. Surely you can still pass or catch it in that period from the person you’re mixing with. So whether it’s one day or the original five, what’s the difference? " How badly the government upsets the voter. | |||
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"And it’s not conspiracy theory My partner gets the Covid statistics from the NHS The truth is very different to what you see on BBC news You have got a point You cant see grandparents on Boxing day But they can look after your kids the day after Its all getting a tad ridiculous I predict a riot Wouldn’t they then be your support bubble? If so then that is allowed. As with all these announcements the nitty gritty clarification normally comes the following day It's almost like people deliberately look for the line they can moan about, rather than reading and understanding the broader intention. E" The government have crapped on for months about childrens education suffering During the first lockdown, we were told that extended family couldnt look after children Now, apparently its ok I can almost see them standing there saying " shit, why did no one realise that without childcare, people cant go to work?" | |||
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"And it’s not conspiracy theory My partner gets the Covid statistics from the NHS The truth is very different to what you see on BBC news You have got a point You cant see grandparents on Boxing day But they can look after your kids the day after Its all getting a tad ridiculous I predict a riot Wouldn’t they then be your support bubble? If so then that is allowed. As with all these announcements the nitty gritty clarification normally comes the following day I thought that but child care bubble and a support bubble are actually very different. So you can have a child care bubble but they must not enter each other's houses it is only to hand over children. Not everyone that is entitled to a child care bubble is entitled to a support bubble. " I don’t know that’s why I’m asking. If they are looking after your children and I am assuming that is indoors, then that must be a child support bubble rather than, what I think you described, my ex and I see each other for 30 seconds on the street as we handover the lad and he stays in both houses. I can see why people are confused | |||
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"Only People Spread the Virus. It doesn't arrive in an envelope with from the 'Cabinet Office of Number 10 Downing Street' on the front of the envelope. It doesn't arrive in a Parcel from SAGE or the NHS. It doesn't infect excel sheets or powerpoint slides (it may however infect Van Tam with Metaphor overload syndrome)to make up figures. There aren't legions of NHS workers in tandem as a 5th column making this shit up. Covid 19 doesn't give a flying (sick of writing this) fook about anything, not you, not your mother, not your child, not your wife, your girlfriend, grandma nor grandpa. It does care if it's in the UK or the USA or even (fooking surprisingly) SWEDEN!!!??? It doesn't know that we celebrate Christmas at this time of year and that many of us meet our loved ones in a more concentrated fashion than at other times of the year. It doesn't even care how many are there in one room. it doesn't care to infect just one or 6. It doesn't care that three families are sharing a space for this brief period of celebration. It doesn't even fucking care that it kills you or anyone close to you. But it does. And that's the fucking truth of it. For once in your life get with something that matters to everyone. Enemy or best friend. Spouse or relative. Only People Spread the Virus. Only People Spread the Virus. " | |||
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"Only People Spread the Virus. It doesn't arrive in an envelope with from the 'Cabinet Office of Number 10 Downing Street' on the front of the envelope. It doesn't arrive in a Parcel from SAGE or the NHS. It doesn't infect excel sheets or powerpoint slides (it may however infect Van Tam with Metaphor overload syndrome)to make up figures. There aren't legions of NHS workers in tandem as a 5th column making this shit up. Covid 19 doesn't give a flying (sick of writing this) fook about anything, not you, not your mother, not your child, not your wife, your girlfriend, grandma nor grandpa. It does care if it's in the UK or the USA or even (fooking surprisingly) SWEDEN!!!??? It doesn't know that we celebrate Christmas at this time of year and that many of us meet our loved ones in a more concentrated fashion than at other times of the year. It doesn't even care how many are there in one room. it doesn't care to infect just one or 6. It doesn't care that three families are sharing a space for this brief period of celebration. It doesn't even fucking care that it kills you or anyone close to you. But it does. And that's the fucking truth of it. For once in your life get with something that matters to everyone. Enemy or best friend. Spouse or relative. Only People Spread the Virus. Only People Spread the Virus." Very very very true. Every. Blasted. Word. E | |||
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"Whatever The government is clearly losing its grip, compliance is dropping. I’ve followed the guidance genuinely the best I can - until now. I’ve worked through as a key worker, as has my partner, but I’ve had enough, and so have many others up here in the north. Bojo lost a large percentage of the working class West Yorkshire public on Thursday by not dropping us to Tier 2. This is the final straw for many. Am I missing something T1-3 can still have their Christmas Day bubble, so what have you lost out on ? It has now been reduced to one other household and only for 1 day which is Christmas Day with no overnight stays." Ah right I see, but it’s still something and not nothing. Although frustrating I’m sure for many a family around the country right now. | |||
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"New variant my arse 70% more spreadable - we could call it Covid lighter then. New variant not medically confirmed or peer reviewed, yet they know the vaccination still works tho. Utter bollocks" Hahahaha what utter bollocks some senseless people come out with. You're most likely the type who has out us where are with that approach to regulations. | |||
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"New variant my arse 70% more spreadable - we could call it Covid lighter then. New variant not medically confirmed or peer reviewed, yet they know the vaccination still works tho. Utter bollocks Hahahaha what utter bollocks some senseless people come out with. You're most likely the type who has out us where are with that approach to regulations." It's just occurred to me that posts like the one you quoted ate peer reviewed. 
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"New variant my arse 70% more spreadable - we could call it Covid lighter then. New variant not medically confirmed or peer reviewed, yet they know the vaccination still works tho. Utter bollocks Hahahaha what utter bollocks some senseless people come out with. You're most likely the type who has out us where are with that approach to regulations." Not quite, I’ve followed the rules to the letter, I’ve done everything expected of me whilst working throughout both peaks - at risk. I’m done with it now though, I’ve had enough of their shit | |||
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"New variant my arse 70% more spreadable - we could call it Covid lighter then. New variant not medically confirmed or peer reviewed, yet they know the vaccination still works tho. Utter bollocks"
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"I’m no fuckwit... The only fuckwits in my opinion are the medical experts." Quite incredible... I do hope it is a joke. | |||
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"I’m no fuckwit... The only fuckwits in my opinion are the medical experts. Quite incredible... I do hope it is a joke." Nice bit of editing | |||
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"New variant my arse 70% more spreadable - we could call it Covid lighter then. New variant not medically confirmed or peer reviewed, yet they know the vaccination still works tho. Utter bollocks Hahahaha what utter bollocks some senseless people come out with. You're most likely the type who has out us where are with that approach to regulations. It's just occurred to me that posts like the one you quoted ate peer reviewed.
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Anything but me syndrome.
I can get that there are differences of opinion. I can get that this is frightening or annoying or frustrating, I get that the impact on finances is mostly crushing, and I get that British human nature is generally to rail against people telling us what to do, but what I don't get at all is that, this is being spread and perpetuated by us. We have the power to stop spreading it. We choose not to. And then we moan when the consequences of increased infections rates, deaths, and post infection consequences.
But do you think there comes a point where people do what is asked over and over and it doesnt seem to make much difference. You cant keep asking people to believe in something that so obviously isnt working and the lockdowns dont work in the sense that as soon as they are relaxed we are back to square one. Im not suggesting an answer but people need to see results for their sacrifices rather than everything still falling to shit. "Perhaps, for sure people can see the results of their actions. When they reduce contact the rates go down. When they increase contact, they go up. Sadly there is no lottery ticket available for behaving responsibly. There's just a route out of this crap. In fact the only route out. There is however a pretty dire consequence for not reducing contact, and that is where we are. If we were the only country in this situation I'd have some sympathy. But we aren't, every country pretty much is in the same situation. So when you are faced with tough choices, there is no point whining and denying and putting them off... Let's pull together, let's reduce infections in community and let's get a sniff of a new tolerable normality. | |||
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"New variant my arse 70% more spreadable - we could call it Covid lighter then. New variant not medically confirmed or peer reviewed, yet they know the vaccination still works tho. Utter bollocks Hahahaha what utter bollocks some senseless people come out with. You're most likely the type who has out us where are with that approach to regulations. It's just occurred to me that posts like the one you quoted ate peer reviewed.
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Oh do enlighten me.
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Not sure why you're asking me that, it's not relevant to my comment.
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"New variant my arse 70% more spreadable - we could call it Covid lighter then. New variant not medically confirmed or peer reviewed, yet they know the vaccination still works tho. Utter bollocks Hahahaha what utter bollocks some senseless people come out with. You're most likely the type who has out us where are with that approach to regulations. It's just occurred to me that posts like the one you quoted ate peer reviewed.
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Oh do enlighten me.
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Not sure why you're asking me that, it's not relevant to my comment.
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"If only we followed the rules from March , we wouldn’t be in this situation, but most people think it’s all made up to control us and bill gates is the worlds new owner , so many mad deluded people in this world , it’s a pandemic not some made up rubbish to bankrupt the world " Problem was people didn't, much the same a speeding limits, they're there NOT as a target not to find ways around it, is when no cameras or it looks ok to do it. The limits are there but people can't act responsibly and choose not to race to them or beyond. So everyone is paying for it. | |||
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Not sure why you're asking me that, it's not relevant to my comment.
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"So how does that explain Gosport. " As a Southampton girl I ask myself that question a lot! | |||
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"And it’s not conspiracy theory My partner gets the Covid statistics from the NHS The truth is very different to what you see on BBC news You have got a point You cant see grandparents on Boxing day But they can look after your kids the day after Its all getting a tad ridiculous I predict a riot I think the riot part is a bit far fetched. I think if we can have a proper Christmas next year, a little bit of restraint now would be good. Think of it like edging "I like this way of thinking | |||
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"i agree one day, five days makes little differance it the person/people you meet have covid, its stupid, if we lockdown properly, then we may have a chance, but opening things up for the odd day here or there is just madness, it undoes all the good work from locking down, it will just cause us to have another lockdown after this one, if we had done it properly in the first place, ie closed everything, all stayed in, it would possible be all over by now, these limp measures just prolong the whole thing" Agree with you there. Having said that the rules are not compulsory... What I mean by that is just because people are allowed to do something (we can debate how shit the leadership and strategy has been another time).. Doesn't mean its compulsory. Yes so many mixed messages but the overall principle has been the same... Reduce contacts, reduce the spread of infection. We are on charge of that. | |||
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"Please remember, before blaming the general public for not following the rules, the vast majority of cases at present are within secondary school aged children. The government stated this in their press conference this week, and are about to introduce (somehow) rapid testing across schools after the Xmas holidays. I’ve got 2 of em, one at primary, one at secondary, professional germ spreaders with good solid form in their juvenile years. Sort the kids out, sort the Covid out IMO It’s nowt to do with pubs, restaurant or shops, the graphs shot up after they returned to school in September, the same will happen in the new year. Pizza time" Schools and universities are the huge elephants in the room Havent the kids gone back in the last few weeks? | |||
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"Stockholm syndrome is big on this site. Stockholm syndrome was proved not to exist some time ago. It was discussed on QI a couple of weeks ago. E" Ok, so strip the title away.. "a condition in which hostages develop a psychological alliance with their captors" is rife on this site. | |||
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"Stockholm syndrome is big on this site. Stockholm syndrome was proved not to exist some time ago. It was discussed on QI a couple of weeks ago. E Ok, so strip the title away.. "a condition in which hostages develop a psychological alliance with their captors" is rife on this site." What you've described is what people believe Stockholm syndrome is. As I said, it's been proven to be a condition that doesn't exist. E | |||
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"If only we followed the rules from March , we wouldn’t be in this situation, but most people think it’s all made up to control us and bill gates is the worlds new owner , so many mad deluded people in this world , it’s a pandemic not some made up rubbish to bankrupt the world " Don't you think that those folks have either lost their voices, changed their opinions or given up? I think there is a new "opposition" who don't deny the virus, or its numbers but don't agree with how it's being dealt with.? (ie reducing contact)... Lockdown is completely the wrong label as witb the exception of 4 weeks in March we haven't been locked down. Now it would be a lot wiser to engage that group, and see if they have better solutions to the problem than just insulting eachother which achieves nothing. | |||
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"If only we followed the rules from March , we wouldn’t be in this situation, but most people think it’s all made up to control us and bill gates is the worlds new owner , so many mad deluded people in this world , it’s a pandemic not some made up rubbish to bankrupt the world Don't you think that those folks have either lost their voices, changed their opinions or given up? I think there is a new "opposition" who don't deny the virus, or its numbers but don't agree with how it's being dealt with.? (ie reducing contact)... Lockdown is completely the wrong label as witb the exception of 4 weeks in March we haven't been locked down. Now it would be a lot wiser to engage that group, and see if they have better solutions to the problem than just insulting eachother which achieves nothing. " | |||
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"I dont buy into the theory that they have just invented a new strain..but I can understand peoples frustration and cynicism. The whole approach to christmas has been utterly shambolic.. I think they have tried to have it both ways. Once again.. a complete mess." I make you right. I think at the start they tried (they being HMG) to be all things to all people, especially the new found supporters in the North. This has led to confused strategy, mixed messages and lily livered enforcement. This move today hopefully is the start of stronger leadership. We will see. | |||
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"Please remember, before blaming the general public for not following the rules, the vast majority of cases at present are within secondary school aged children. The government stated this in their press conference this week, and are about to introduce (somehow) rapid testing across schools after the Xmas holidays. I’ve got 2 of em, one at primary, one at secondary, professional germ spreaders with good solid form in their juvenile years. Sort the kids out, sort the Covid out IMO It’s nowt to do with pubs, restaurant or shops, the graphs shot up after they returned to school in September, the same will happen in the new year. Pizza time Schools and universities are the huge elephants in the room Havent the kids gone back in the last few weeks?" Not true in my experience. They've tested the whole of my kids school twice in the last month.It's a secondary school on Merseyside. Out of nearly 900 kids they had TWO positive results. I'd say that makes the "it's the kids" line appear to be untrue...but hey we've got to blame someone....don't let the facts get in the way...or if the facts don't fit the narrative then keep them quiet... Same with the mass testing of Merseyside generally, it didnt throw up the "thousands" of cases they predicted , but hey let's not mention that eh. | |||
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"Please remember, before blaming the general public for not following the rules, the vast majority of cases at present are within secondary school aged children. The government stated this in their press conference this week, and are about to introduce (somehow) rapid testing across schools after the Xmas holidays. I’ve got 2 of em, one at primary, one at secondary, professional germ spreaders with good solid form in their juvenile years. Sort the kids out, sort the Covid out IMO It’s nowt to do with pubs, restaurant or shops, the graphs shot up after they returned to school in September, the same will happen in the new year. Pizza time Schools and universities are the huge elephants in the room Havent the kids gone back in the last few weeks? Not true in my experience. They've tested the whole of my kids school twice in the last month.It's a secondary school on Merseyside. Out of nearly 900 kids they had TWO positive results. I'd say that makes the "it's the kids" line appear to be untrue...but hey we've got to blame someone....don't let the facts get in the way...or if the facts don't fit the narrative then keep them quiet... Same with the mass testing of Merseyside generally, it didnt throw up the "thousands" of cases they predicted , but hey let's not mention that eh." I had to google the results from the merseyside testing as the reporting of results was a lot quieter than the pre testing excitement | |||
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"Please remember, before blaming the general public for not following the rules, the vast majority of cases at present are within secondary school aged children. The government stated this in their press conference this week, and are about to introduce (somehow) rapid testing across schools after the Xmas holidays. I’ve got 2 of em, one at primary, one at secondary, professional germ spreaders with good solid form in their juvenile years. Sort the kids out, sort the Covid out IMO It’s nowt to do with pubs, restaurant or shops, the graphs shot up after they returned to school in September, the same will happen in the new year. Pizza time Schools and universities are the huge elephants in the room Havent the kids gone back in the last few weeks? Not true in my experience. They've tested the whole of my kids school twice in the last month.It's a secondary school on Merseyside. Out of nearly 900 kids they had TWO positive results. I'd say that makes the "it's the kids" line appear to be untrue...but hey we've got to blame someone....don't let the facts get in the way...or if the facts don't fit the narrative then keep them quiet... Same with the mass testing of Merseyside generally, it didnt throw up the "thousands" of cases they predicted , but hey let's not mention that eh." Wasn't the idea to test the whole of Merseyside and they ended up doing about 30k as that's all who stepped forward for testing? As for schools... I'm with you. I think we love to find defenceless people and blame them. There's no doubt that secondary schools in my area are now seeing infections when for the previous 10 weeks they had very few. But I'm not sure they are the only contributor to the explosion in cases in the south East. | |||
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"Please remember, before blaming the general public for not following the rules, the vast majority of cases at present are within secondary school aged children. The government stated this in their press conference this week, and are about to introduce (somehow) rapid testing across schools after the Xmas holidays. I’ve got 2 of em, one at primary, one at secondary, professional germ spreaders with good solid form in their juvenile years. Sort the kids out, sort the Covid out IMO It’s nowt to do with pubs, restaurant or shops, the graphs shot up after they returned to school in September, the same will happen in the new year. Pizza time Schools and universities are the huge elephants in the room Havent the kids gone back in the last few weeks? Not true in my experience. They've tested the whole of my kids school twice in the last month.It's a secondary school on Merseyside. Out of nearly 900 kids they had TWO positive results. I'd say that makes the "it's the kids" line appear to be untrue...but hey we've got to blame someone....don't let the facts get in the way...or if the facts don't fit the narrative then keep them quiet... Same with the mass testing of Merseyside generally, it didnt throw up the "thousands" of cases they predicted , but hey let's not mention that eh." Its not about 'blaming'anyone..schools and universities have always been the big drivers simply because of their environment. | |||
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"And it’s not conspiracy theory My partner gets the Covid statistics from the NHS The truth is very different to what you see on BBC news" Your partner on this site so we can ask her? | |||
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"Please remember, before blaming the general public for not following the rules, the vast majority of cases at present are within secondary school aged children. The government stated this in their press conference this week, and are about to introduce (somehow) rapid testing across schools after the Xmas holidays. I’ve got 2 of em, one at primary, one at secondary, professional germ spreaders with good solid form in their juvenile years. Sort the kids out, sort the Covid out IMO It’s nowt to do with pubs, restaurant or shops, the graphs shot up after they returned to school in September, the same will happen in the new year. Pizza time Schools and universities are the huge elephants in the room Havent the kids gone back in the last few weeks? Not true in my experience. They've tested the whole of my kids school twice in the last month.It's a secondary school on Merseyside. Out of nearly 900 kids they had TWO positive results. I'd say that makes the "it's the kids" line appear to be untrue...but hey we've got to blame someone....don't let the facts get in the way...or if the facts don't fit the narrative then keep them quiet... Same with the mass testing of Merseyside generally, it didnt throw up the "thousands" of cases they predicted , but hey let's not mention that eh. Wasn't the idea to test the whole of Merseyside and they ended up doing about 30k as that's all who stepped forward for testing? As for schools... I'm with you. I think we love to find defenceless people and blame them. There's no doubt that secondary schools in my area are now seeing infections when for the previous 10 weeks they had very few. But I'm not sure they are the only contributor to the explosion in cases in the south East. " But people are quick enough to blame people who are apparently going round speeding the disease. When you have a large concentration of people on 1 place..schools,universities,shops..logic surely dictates more people are liable to catch it. From my experience most people are wearing masks etc.. | |||
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"Please remember, before blaming the general public for not following the rules, the vast majority of cases at present are within secondary school aged children. The government stated this in their press conference this week, and are about to introduce (somehow) rapid testing across schools after the Xmas holidays. I’ve got 2 of em, one at primary, one at secondary, professional germ spreaders with good solid form in their juvenile years. Sort the kids out, sort the Covid out IMO It’s nowt to do with pubs, restaurant or shops, the graphs shot up after they returned to school in September, the same will happen in the new year. Pizza time Schools and universities are the huge elephants in the room Havent the kids gone back in the last few weeks? Not true in my experience. They've tested the whole of my kids school twice in the last month.It's a secondary school on Merseyside. Out of nearly 900 kids they had TWO positive results. I'd say that makes the "it's the kids" line appear to be untrue...but hey we've got to blame someone....don't let the facts get in the way...or if the facts don't fit the narrative then keep them quiet... Same with the mass testing of Merseyside generally, it didnt throw up the "thousands" of cases they predicted , but hey let's not mention that eh. Its not about 'blaming'anyone..schools and universities have always been the big drivers simply because of their environment." It would be good to see some reliable stats to back up that statement. It may be true for some unis and schools but I also know for a couple I have involvement with that it is not true. | |||
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"Im gonna put the cat amongst the pigeons....we know why and who is spreading the virus but no one wants to say it....the inner-city areas are a breeding ground for this..people have no jobs no prospects so they spend there days at each others houses...gangs of youths(god im old) still hang about street corners,outside shops and at each others homes" | |||
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"We had 1 positive case at our school since September and that was in early December so pretty good going for the super spreading children "You realise there is more than 1 school in the country? | |||
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"It will stop people travelling, not so many will get up Christmas morning travel to relatives or friends, not drink and then drive home. Kind of think it gives those with elderly or vulnerable friends and relatives chance to see them on Christmas Day but not full on party’s." Do you honestly think people will adhere to this ? I think NOT ! | |||
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"does anyone realy spend five days with there extended family? i usualy at aunts for xmas with my cousins and all there kids to be honest by about 6 30 xmas day nite ive had enough of a dozen hyper kids and get off home" lets be honest people were seeing family bubble A xmas day, the inlaws boxing day, aunties on the 27th etc etc ... this had cut it right down now to one day one bubble not travelling half the country to do it | |||
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"It's to stop people travelling really. Most people wouldn't go too far just for the day whereas for 5 days its worth travelling. " My mum lives 350 miles away, by the time I got there. I would only be able to eat, give her the presents before for coming back home. Just not worth it. | |||
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"If only we followed the rules from March , we wouldn’t be in this situation, but most people think it’s all made up to control us and bill gates is the worlds new owner , so many mad deluded people in this world , it’s a pandemic not some made up rubbish to bankrupt the world " Those same people will be complaining this time next year, when we still have the tier system in place. | |||
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"Covid has been rife in most schools in the Wakefield district, with isolations occurring every week. It’s a pretty big country with different population densities, therefore to compare West Yorkshire with Somerset is like comparing an apple to a melon. We all live in different areas, have different opinions and are clearly having different experiences. Kids in my town do not give a monkeys, don’t wear masks and don’t distance, but it may well be quite different in other areas. I can only say it as I see" That's the trouble once you get high community infection rates... If you push em together it spreads more.. Which I guess was lionels point earlier. If community rates are low it doesn't matter quite so much if you get them together. My local schools, the kids seem to have been pretty good.... Not quite so much the yummy mummy's at the gates. | |||
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"Do you really believe there is a new variant that is 70% more spreadable than the original Lurpak? We’ve got 2m distancing, face masks, face screens, Perspex screens, alcohol gel - yet this bad-boy gets through it all. Come on, pull the other one" Give that viruses generally become more infectious but less severe over time, yes...it is credible. How is it spreading faster if we already have masks, distancing, etc? Because there will have been a build-up before it was noticed, most likely aided by loads (comparatively) of people going back to work who aren’t sitting at their desks with a mask on and probably aren’t 2m away whilst queuing at the coffee machine, etc. There are far better uses for your time than trying to deep state machinations in everything. | |||
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"Been a couple of virologists on 5 live..both said viruses mutate all the time and it's still not conclusive that its causing the higher transmission. Definite sense its been over egged a little" Definitely over egging the “more infectious” theory. There isn’t enough evidence to show that yet! Cases are rising because people have got more careless. | |||
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"Been a couple of virologists on 5 live..both said viruses mutate all the time and it's still not conclusive that its causing the higher transmission. Definite sense its been over egged a little Definitely over egging the “more infectious” theory. There isn’t enough evidence to show that yet! Cases are rising because people have got more careless." Predictably so given hmgs shit comms and the media's manipulation of it.... Lockdown till 2nd Dec.... Oh now we have a vaccine we can do what we want.. Ooh Xmas 5 days relief.... 2000 crowds into sports events... Xmas shopping.... Oops what do you mean infections are going up. | |||
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