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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Breaking Sky News

The new Variety of Covid is spreading faster

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It got a skateboard for Christmas

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tra la la la la la la la la

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I saw that on Tuesday, you watching a re-run or are you time travelling..?

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By *innie The MinxWoman
over a year ago

Under the Duvet

Is it spread by killer sharks Tom?

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Breaking news on sky...

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

It was thought but now confirmed...

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Which reputable scientific journals have published this?

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

It's breaking news.. I don't make this nonsense up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Covid been around for 20 yrs plus...

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

Of course it will mutate. It needs to spread faster without killing its host.. that is what viruses do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Of course it will mutate. It needs to spread faster without killing its host.. that is what viruses do "

that's not a headline though is it?

Its a bit like the heavily reported reaction to the vaccine ... "two people with a record of alergic reactions have an alergic reaction" doesn't grab you

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"Breaking Sky News

The new Variety of Covid is spreading faster

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It is the same one reported a few days ago, the "breaking news" bit is that it has been confirmed that it is spreading faster.

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By *uriouslatexTV/TS
over a year ago

Suffolk

Quick scaremonger!

Spreading quicker, possibly. Or is another option that people are forgetting to wash their hands probably, wiping down surfaces, giving space etc?

Some people have become more relaxed on some aspects, and wouldn't be surprised if the basics are being missed!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not sure why people are ridiculing the OP because yes we knew about this for a couple of days but it is breaking use it is across all the major news networks and comes up as breaking news.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Another lockdown after chrimbo.

Absolute nap.

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By *oelDorianMan
over a year ago

vanaheim


"Covid been around for 20 yrs plus...

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it’s been around a lot longer than that

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"Not sure why people are ridiculing the OP because yes we knew about this for a couple of days but it is breaking use it is across all the major news networks and comes up as breaking news.

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People are always ridiculing Essex Tom. It's the same old faces usually but he seems to cope with it well enough, at least on the surface..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not sure why people are ridiculing the OP because yes we knew about this for a couple of days but it is breaking use it is across all the major news networks and comes up as breaking news.

People are always ridiculing Essex Tom. It's the same old faces usually but he seems to cope with it well enough, at least on the surface.. "

I agree Tom yes some of your theories and ideas are a bit out there but I have found it increasingly uncomfortable How people just come on your threads to mock you.

After all you were ridiculed at beginning of the year for saying this would last till gone Christmas!

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Not sure why people are ridiculing the OP because yes we knew about this for a couple of days but it is breaking use it is across all the major news networks and comes up as breaking news.

People are always ridiculing Essex Tom. It's the same old faces usually but he seems to cope with it well enough, at least on the surface.. "

Why are you talking in the 3rd person?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Breaking Sky News

The new Variety of Covid is spreading faster

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'Variety' makes it sound positive.

Hopefully it will mutate to spread faster and not kill or harm people and just be like a cold.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Breaking Sky News

The new Variety of Covid is spreading faster

'Variety' makes it sound positive.

Hopefully it will mutate to spread faster and not kill or harm people and just be like a cold. "

Actually they would just talking about that on the BBC News.

So far the evidence shows this new variant seems to be spreading faster but at the moment there is no evidence that people become more sick.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

It's always a play on words when the government say there is no evidence.. what they could say is that we cannot prove that it is spreading faster. There is no evidence but it looks like it's spreading very very fast in the south east which is a very worrying trend

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

So now it seems the new variety is very very very bad

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Up to 70 % more transmissible.. who would have thought.. ,,

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"So now it seems the new variety is very very very bad "

It's more transmissible but no evidence it's any more serious if you catch it. But it's early days. More evidence will come to light in due course.

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By *ntelligent Gent.Man
over a year ago

.....

Remember when we could have pretty much squashed it in March and July? Don't do your homework

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple
over a year ago

Broadstairs

God so scared of Covid we have 0000.3 chance of dying from it

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

As Corby used to say.. Do you want to be one of the few of one of the many..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"God so scared of Covid we have 0000.3 chance of dying from it "

Great news. Fuck the people who do die and have serious problems from it, as long as you are ok.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"As Corby used to say.. Do you want to be one of the few of one of the many.."

Corby? The place in the Midlands?

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple
over a year ago

Broadstairs


"God so scared of Covid we have 0000.3 chance of dying from it

Great news. Fuck the people who do die and have serious problems from it, as long as you are ok. "
why you got no profile photo ??

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By *iguy for funMan
over a year ago

CIRENCESTER


"As Corby used to say.. Do you want to be one of the few of one of the many..

Corby? The place in the Midlands? "

didn't know trouser presses could talk/tweet?

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"As Corby used to say.. Do you want to be one of the few of one of the many..

Corby? The place in the Midlands? "

Yes that Scottish town where they all eat haggis supper.

Been there lots and some tales to tell

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"God so scared of Covid we have 0000.3 chance of dying from it "

Unless of course you or someone you love is in that 0000.3.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"God so scared of Covid we have 0000.3 chance of dying from it

Great news. Fuck the people who do die and have serious problems from it, as long as you are ok. why you got no profile photo ??"

And what has that got do with anything?

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple
over a year ago

Broadstairs


"God so scared of Covid we have 0000.3 chance of dying from it

Unless of course you or someone you love is in that 0000.3."
what about any other disease?? Are you a bed wetter ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"God so scared of Covid we have 0000.3 chance of dying from it

Unless of course you or someone you love is in that 0000.3. what about any other disease?? Are you a bed wetter ? "

My bladder controll is irrelevant to this discussion.

And what about the other diseases?

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple
over a year ago

Broadstairs


"God so scared of Covid we have 0000.3 chance of dying from it

Unless of course you or someone you love is in that 0000.3. what about any other disease?? Are you a bed wetter ?

My bladder controll is irrelevant to this discussion.

And what about the other diseases?"
Cancer heart disease outnumber Covid 10 to one

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"God so scared of Covid we have 0000.3 chance of dying from it

Great news. Fuck the people who do die and have serious problems from it, as long as you are ok. why you got no profile photo ??"

Why?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"God so scared of Covid we have 0000.3 chance of dying from it

Unless of course you or someone you love is in that 0000.3. what about any other disease?? Are you a bed wetter ?

My bladder controll is irrelevant to this discussion.

And what about the other diseases? Cancer heart disease outnumber Covid 10 to one "

Yes and?

And they are still happening, Last time I checked so I couldn't pass cancer or heart disease on to body else so again irrelevant.

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple
over a year ago

Broadstairs


"God so scared of Covid we have 0000.3 chance of dying from it

Unless of course you or someone you love is in that 0000.3. what about any other disease?? Are you a bed wetter ?

My bladder controll is irrelevant to this discussion.

And what about the other diseases? Cancer heart disease outnumber Covid 10 to one "
1650000 deaths oc cancer per year all ages

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"God so scared of Covid we have 0000.3 chance of dying from it

Unless of course you or someone you love is in that 0000.3. what about any other disease?? Are you a bed wetter ?

My bladder controll is irrelevant to this discussion.

And what about the other diseases? Cancer heart disease outnumber Covid 10 to one 1650000 deaths oc cancer per year all ages "

Yes but what has any of this got to do with covid?

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple
over a year ago

Broadstairs

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple
over a year ago

Broadstairs


"God so scared of Covid we have 0000.3 chance of dying from it

Unless of course you or someone you love is in that 0000.3. what about any other disease?? Are you a bed wetter ?

My bladder controll is irrelevant to this discussion.

And what about the other diseases? Cancer heart disease outnumber Covid 10 to one 1650000 deaths oc cancer per year all ages

Yes but what has any of this got to do with covid?"
Why are you so scared of Covid ? You will probably die of Cancer , heart disease, Alzheimer’s, old aged , why so worried ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"God so scared of Covid we have 0000.3 chance of dying from it

Unless of course you or someone you love is in that 0000.3. what about any other disease?? Are you a bed wetter ?

My bladder controll is irrelevant to this discussion.

And what about the other diseases? Cancer heart disease outnumber Covid 10 to one 1650000 deaths oc cancer per year all ages

Yes but what has any of this got to do with covid? Why are you so scared of Covid ? You will probably die of Cancer , heart disease, Alzheimer’s, old aged , why so worried ??"

Because I would rather not die hooked up to a ventilator after not being able to breathe or see the people that I love.

We try to treat cancer and prevent it, the same as heart disease and other diseases so why should kovid be any different?

Also I notice you are skittering over the very fact that those things can not be passed on and I will not be responsible for somebody I love death.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Really strange that Essex_Tom was ridiculed yesterday by the no evidence brigade and what a difference a day makes...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The theatre is well and truly open, and what a show it is so far! Some people are full on living in Hollywood! Not my kinda plot, but a genius script. Undeniable.

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By *amish SMan
over a year ago

Eastleigh


"Which reputable scientific journals have published this? "

The same scientific establishment that identified some dodgy liquid found in Salisbury. Thank goodness we have such a facility, if other nations had their way it would have been shut down years ago, but our successive governments refused.

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By *amish SMan
over a year ago

Eastleigh


"God so scared of Covid we have 0000.3 chance of dying from it "

Yes today, but the next mutation could kill 99% that catch it. That is why it is being monitored so closely.

Can you imagine if the new variant only had 3% the spread rate of the previous version but killed 99% of those that caught it, that is still a lot of the population. Wonder what the attitudes of the public would be then.

Problem is that we still don't fully understand how it spreads and why it affects some worse than others.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"God so scared of Covid we have 0000.3 chance of dying from it

Unless of course you or someone you love is in that 0000.3. what about any other disease?? Are you a bed wetter ?

My bladder controll is irrelevant to this discussion.

And what about the other diseases? Cancer heart disease outnumber Covid 10 to one "

Why do people like you always conflate death rate with how well people are after....

I know a fair few people now suffering with long Covid symptoms...

You make it sound like Covid is sweetness and light... it’s not

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"Breaking Sky News

The new Variety of Covid is spreading faster

'Variety' makes it sound positive.

Hopefully it will mutate to spread faster and not kill or harm people and just be like a cold. "
What a lovely thought

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By *oelDorianMan
over a year ago

vanaheim


"The theatre is well and truly open, and what a show it is so far! Some people are full on living in Hollywood! Not my kinda plot, but a genius script. Undeniable."

I know to be honest though I think the last episode of this was better haha

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Breaking Sky News

The new Variety of Covid is spreading faster

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it doesnt exist. Just intended to scare

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By *asIsaCouple
over a year ago

harrow


"Breaking Sky News

The new Variety of Covid is spreading faster

it doesnt exist. Just intended to scare "

Of course, well thank you for that. I'm sure all those nurses and doctors(including my daughter) on the front line risking their lives battling to save others will be very reassured by your words. We are fortunate to have heroes like them and not idiots like you

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Breaking Sky News

The new Variety of Covid is spreading faster

it doesnt exist. Just intended to scare "

Last person I knew who was really adamant that Covid didn’t exist and was just a scare tactic died about 2 weeks ago from Covid......

Unfortunately for his family.... they believed... or have been made believers.......

You’re welcome...............

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Breaking Sky News

The new Variety of Covid is spreading faster

it doesnt exist. Just intended to scare

Of course, well thank you for that. I'm sure all those nurses and doctors(including my daughter) on the front line risking their lives battling to save others will be very reassured by your words. We are fortunate to have heroes like them and not idiots like you"

There were a couple of virologists on 5 live last night you said all viruses mutate,and there is no evidence this strain is any more infectious.

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South


"Breaking Sky News

The new Variety of Covid is spreading faster

it doesnt exist. Just intended to scare "

Ok sooo I’m far from a conspiracy theorist BUT the new variant is named as such purely by how fast it is spreading - how have they evidenced this? By the fact that lockdown in November didn’t impact the spread. However the places now where your are most likely to catch covid are schools which were closed during November (apart from the half term week at the end of October)

sooooo is what we are seeing the fact that schools aren’t actually covid safe and mixing hundreds of teenagers has seen the virus spread more rapidly than ever? Surely not.

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

*weren’t closed in November

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South


"God so scared of Covid we have 0000.3 chance of dying from it

Great news. Fuck the people who do die and have serious problems from it, as long as you are ok.

why you got no profile photo ??"

Among your many many wholly bizarre responses, I'm going to put this one top of the list.

E

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Breaking Sky News

The new Variety of Covid is spreading faster

it doesnt exist. Just intended to scare

Last person I knew who was really adamant that Covid didn’t exist and was just a scare tactic died about 2 weeks ago from Covid......

Unfortunately for his family.... they believed... or have been made believers.......

You’re welcome..............."

We know a very vociferous covid denier. His mother in law died of covid 3 weeks ago. I'm sure his wife is very happy that covid isn't real.

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South


"Breaking Sky News

The new Variety of Covid is spreading faster

it doesnt exist. Just intended to scare

Of course, well thank you for that. I'm sure all those nurses and doctors(including my daughter) on the front line risking their lives battling to save others will be very reassured by your words. We are fortunate to have heroes like them and not idiots like you

There were a couple of virologists on 5 live last night you said all viruses mutate,and there is no evidence this strain is any more infectious.

"

Over 100 mutations of the flu virus at the moment.

A virus that mutates isn't new news.

E

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Breaking Sky News

The new Variety of Covid is spreading faster

it doesnt exist. Just intended to scare

Of course, well thank you for that. I'm sure all those nurses and doctors(including my daughter) on the front line risking their lives battling to save others will be very reassured by your words. We are fortunate to have heroes like them and not idiots like you

There were a couple of virologists on 5 live last night you said all viruses mutate,and there is no evidence this strain is any more infectious.

Over 100 mutations of the flu virus at the moment.

A virus that mutates isn't new news.

E"

You wouldn't have thought so..given the last 24 hours.

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South


"Breaking Sky News

The new Variety of Covid is spreading faster

it doesnt exist. Just intended to scare

Last person I knew who was really adamant that Covid didn’t exist and was just a scare tactic died about 2 weeks ago from Covid......

Unfortunately for his family.... they believed... or have been made believers.......

You’re welcome...............

We know a very vociferous covid denier. His mother in law died of covid 3 weeks ago. I'm sure his wife is very happy that covid isn't real."

This isn't a genuine wish, it's really not, but it would be poetic justice if all the Covid deniers were to catch it.

I'd hate for anyone to die or have their health severely impacted for the rest of their lives, or their innocent family and friends to have caught it from these idiots.

E

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South


"Breaking Sky News

The new Variety of Covid is spreading faster

it doesnt exist. Just intended to scare

Of course, well thank you for that. I'm sure all those nurses and doctors(including my daughter) on the front line risking their lives battling to save others will be very reassured by your words. We are fortunate to have heroes like them and not idiots like you

There were a couple of virologists on 5 live last night you said all viruses mutate,and there is no evidence this strain is any more infectious.

Over 100 mutations of the flu virus at the moment.

A virus that mutates isn't new news.

E

You wouldn't have thought so..given the last 24 hours. "

Every year we get a new fly vaccine, because the flu virus has mutated. I thought that a virus can and will mutate was common knowledge.

Obviously not.

E

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Breaking Sky News

The new Variety of Covid is spreading faster

it doesnt exist. Just intended to scare

Of course, well thank you for that. I'm sure all those nurses and doctors(including my daughter) on the front line risking their lives battling to save others will be very reassured by your words. We are fortunate to have heroes like them and not idiots like you

There were a couple of virologists on 5 live last night you said all viruses mutate,and there is no evidence this strain is any more infectious.

Over 100 mutations of the flu virus at the moment.

A virus that mutates isn't new news.

E

You wouldn't have thought so..given the last 24 hours.

Every year we get a new fly vaccine, because the flu virus has mutated. I thought that a virus can and will mutate was common knowledge.

Obviously not.

E"

I think they have certainly spiced it up a bit.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"Breaking Sky News

The new Variety of Covid is spreading faster

it doesnt exist. Just intended to scare

Of course, well thank you for that. I'm sure all those nurses and doctors(including my daughter) on the front line risking their lives battling to save others will be very reassured by your words. We are fortunate to have heroes like them and not idiots like you

There were a couple of virologists on 5 live last night you said all viruses mutate,and there is no evidence this strain is any more infectious.

Over 100 mutations of the flu virus at the moment.

A virus that mutates isn't new news.

E

You wouldn't have thought so..given the last 24 hours.

Every year we get a new fly vaccine, because the flu virus has mutated. I thought that a virus can and will mutate was common knowledge.

Obviously not.

E

I think they have certainly spiced it up a bit."

The fly virus?

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

A patient in Italy who returned from the UK a few days ago has been confirmed as having the new strain

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"A patient in Italy who returned from the UK a few days ago has been confirmed as having the new strain "

And so it will continue...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I heard the new strain is nicknamed red herring

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford


"God so scared of Covid we have 0000.3 chance of dying from it

Great news. Fuck the people who do die and have serious problems from it, as long as you are ok. "

Ay, but if you catch it and pass it on to someone a bit older their chances of serious illness or death are much much higher

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford


"A patient in Italy who returned from the UK a few days ago has been confirmed as having the new strain "

It’s wide spread in Europe already..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It’s nice that the south got a good old English variant. The north had to have a Spanish variant.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I heard the new strain is nicknamed red herring "

Exactly this

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford


"Breaking Sky News

The new Variety of Covid is spreading faster

it doesnt exist. Just intended to scare

Last person I knew who was really adamant that Covid didn’t exist and was just a scare tactic died about 2 weeks ago from Covid......

Unfortunately for his family.... they believed... or have been made believers.......

You’re welcome...............

We know a very vociferous covid denier. His mother in law died of covid 3 weeks ago. I'm sure his wife is very happy that covid isn't real.

This isn't a genuine wish, it's really not, but it would be poetic justice if all the Covid deniers were to catch it.

I'd hate for anyone to die or have their health severely impacted for the rest of their lives, or their innocent family and friends to have caught it from these idiots.

E"

Lovely!! x

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South


"Breaking Sky News

The new Variety of Covid is spreading faster

it doesnt exist. Just intended to scare

Last person I knew who was really adamant that Covid didn’t exist and was just a scare tactic died about 2 weeks ago from Covid......

Unfortunately for his family.... they believed... or have been made believers.......

You’re welcome...............

We know a very vociferous covid denier. His mother in law died of covid 3 weeks ago. I'm sure his wife is very happy that covid isn't real.

This isn't a genuine wish, it's really not, but it would be poetic justice if all the Covid deniers were to catch it.

I'd hate for anyone to die or have their health severely impacted for the rest of their lives, or their innocent family and friends to have caught it from these idiots.

E

Lovely!! x"

Read what I said.

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By *nmgCouple
over a year ago

Liverpool

Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water???

This virus is going to out up a fight until the end.... Our only hope is that people behave - so yes, there is no hope!

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Breaking Sky News

The new Variety of Covid is spreading faster

"

Having looked at the actual report having a degree in statistics.... the way that bojo described how virile this strain is was wrong....

It’s a lot.... lot worse

When we talk about the rate of increase of spread... the R number relates to the increase in infection... not the increase of spread itself...

So when the increase in the reporting talks about an increase of between 0.39 and 0.93.... they are talking about percentage increase on the original... that would be an increase of between 39 and 93%

So if the rate of infection, the R rate we know, was 1 for the original ... this one is infecting people at a rate of somewhere between 1.4 and 1.9

So with the national rate at the moment is 1.2..... this one could be running around the country at a rate of infecting 2.2 people per person who has it... and that is why scientists got spooked

We are all going to be in tier 4... the question is will it be sooner or later

You all have my permission to copy and paste this in any thread you deem fit

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

Question ~ Are all of the areas that have gone into tier 4 experiencing high infection rates due to the new strain?

I'm thinking that must be the case but I've only read that London and the S/E are.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes a new strain. Now everyone's gonna line up for the vaccine even more.

But!!!

What's the vaccine gonna do against a new strain? Nothing.

They culled how many millions of mink because they had the potential to transmit a new strain making the vaccine redundant.

Now the same will tell us we need the vaccine they've made to stop this new strain? You couldn't write it.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Yes a new strain. Now everyone's gonna line up for the vaccine even more.

But!!!

What's the vaccine gonna do against a new strain? Nothing.

They culled how many millions of mink because they had the potential to transmit a new strain making the vaccine redundant.

Now the same will tell us we need the vaccine they've made to stop this new strain? You couldn't write it. "

Have they said the vaccine is redundant?

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch


"Question ~ Are all of the areas that have gone into tier 4 experiencing high infection rates due to the new strain?

I'm thinking that must be the case but I've only read that London and the S/E are."

I’m surmising that maybe yes, along with the new strain has been identified in those areas. Peterborough for example the disconnect from the rest of T4, it’s numbers grew by 49% last week

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch


"Yes a new strain. Now everyone's gonna line up for the vaccine even more.

But!!!

What's the vaccine gonna do against a new strain? Nothing.

They culled how many millions of mink because they had the potential to transmit a new strain making the vaccine redundant.

Now the same will tell us we need the vaccine they've made to stop this new strain? You couldn't write it.

Have they said the vaccine is redundant?"

No, Professsor Chris Whitty said on Saturday: “There is no current evidence to suggest the new strain causes a higher mortality rate or that it affects vaccines and treatments although urgent work is underway to confirm this."

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South


"Yes a new strain. Now everyone's gonna line up for the vaccine even more.

But!!!

What's the vaccine gonna do against a new strain? Nothing.

They culled how many millions of mink because they had the potential to transmit a new strain making the vaccine redundant.

Now the same will tell us we need the vaccine they've made to stop this new strain? You couldn't write it. "

None of that is true - vaccine is assumed to be just as affective against the new strain. Until they try is they won’t know but nothing in the make up of the new strain tells them that it won’t work.

Where are you getting your information from?

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South


"Yes a new strain. Now everyone's gonna line up for the vaccine even more.

But!!!

What's the vaccine gonna do against a new strain? Nothing.

They culled how many millions of mink because they had the potential to transmit a new strain making the vaccine redundant.

Now the same will tell us we need the vaccine they've made to stop this new strain? You couldn't write it.

None of that is true - vaccine is assumed to be just as affective against the new strain. Until they try is they won’t know but nothing in the make up of the new strain tells them that it won’t work.

Where are you getting your information from? "

Christmas Crackers I suspect.

It's getting silly now, people are just making stuff up.

And by stuff I mean utter nonsense.

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By *fweonlymeettwiceMan
over a year ago

Madrid

Is just the UK that has the new strain of Covid 19? Seems a bit strange the the UK is the first to give the go ahead for a vaccine and then we get a new strain, and then countries begin to close there borders to I don't believe for one minute it is just the UK with a new strain

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By *ust some cock suckerMan
over a year ago

Preston


"Breaking Sky News

The new Variety of Covid is spreading faster

"

New variety of Covid...

Is it improved taste or general new recipe

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch


"Is just the UK that has the new strain of Covid 19? Seems a bit strange the the UK is the first to give the go ahead for a vaccine and then we get a new strain, and then countries begin to close there borders to I don't believe for one minute it is just the UK with a new strain "

It isn’t a few countries have reported it, however they believe it originated here, at the moment

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere


"Question ~ Are all of the areas that have gone into tier 4 experiencing high infection rates due to the new strain?

I'm thinking that must be the case but I've only read that London and the S/E are.

I’m surmising that maybe yes, along with the new strain has been identified in those areas. Peterborough for example the disconnect from the rest of T4, it’s numbers grew by 49% last week "

That's what I thought. We are tier 2 but have staff who live in tier 4, imo they should be furloughed again.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch


"Question ~ Are all of the areas that have gone into tier 4 experiencing high infection rates due to the new strain?

I'm thinking that must be the case but I've only read that London and the S/E are.

I’m surmising that maybe yes, along with the new strain has been identified in those areas. Peterborough for example the disconnect from the rest of T4, it’s numbers grew by 49% last week

That's what I thought. We are tier 2 but have staff who live in tier 4, imo they should be furloughed again."

I agree, unless essential staff T4s borders should be closed

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"Question ~ Are all of the areas that have gone into tier 4 experiencing high infection rates due to the new strain?

I'm thinking that must be the case but I've only read that London and the S/E are.

I’m surmising that maybe yes, along with the new strain has been identified in those areas. Peterborough for example the disconnect from the rest of T4, it’s numbers grew by 49% last week

That's what I thought. We are tier 2 but have staff who live in tier 4, imo they should be furloughed again.

I agree, unless essential staff T4s borders should be closed "

Seal off the M25 for the benefit of the rest of the country . Nothing on,nothing out except medicine and food

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Question ~ Are all of the areas that have gone into tier 4 experiencing high infection rates due to the new strain?

I'm thinking that must be the case but I've only read that London and the S/E are.

I’m surmising that maybe yes, along with the new strain has been identified in those areas. Peterborough for example the disconnect from the rest of T4, it’s numbers grew by 49% last week

That's what I thought. We are tier 2 but have staff who live in tier 4, imo they should be furloughed again.

I agree, unless essential staff T4s borders should be closed

Seal off the M25 for the benefit of the rest of the country . Nothing on,nothing out except medicine and food"

Ever tried platting fog Tom?

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch


"Question ~ Are all of the areas that have gone into tier 4 experiencing high infection rates due to the new strain?

I'm thinking that must be the case but I've only read that London and the S/E are.

I’m surmising that maybe yes, along with the new strain has been identified in those areas. Peterborough for example the disconnect from the rest of T4, it’s numbers grew by 49% last week

That's what I thought. We are tier 2 but have staff who live in tier 4, imo they should be furloughed again.

I agree, unless essential staff T4s borders should be closed

Seal off the M25 for the benefit of the rest of the country . Nothing on,nothing out except medicine and food"

You know it’s not just within the M25 T4 ? Have Colchester closed their borders with the rest of Essex ?

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By *otsossieMan
over a year ago

local, but not too local


"Yes a new strain. Now everyone's gonna line up for the vaccine even more.

"

There have been some very mixed messages on this. Vaccines act by training your immune system.

Some gvt minister (admittedly may have been Rabb or Shapps and they’re morons) said the new strain can “fool the immune system”.

Now clearly that doesn’t make perfect sense but if we use Flu as a model then the “spikes” the mRNA vaccine trains your body to attack MAY differ, as such the vaccine MAY not be effective.

We simply don’t know at this stage, and the people giving the press conferences couldn’t think their way out of a wet paper bag.

So pinch of salt with all “facts” just now. Try to look after you and yours. Don’t do anything stupid.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"Question ~ Are all of the areas that have gone into tier 4 experiencing high infection rates due to the new strain?

I'm thinking that must be the case but I've only read that London and the S/E are.

I’m surmising that maybe yes, along with the new strain has been identified in those areas. Peterborough for example the disconnect from the rest of T4, it’s numbers grew by 49% last week

That's what I thought. We are tier 2 but have staff who live in tier 4, imo they should be furloughed again.

I agree, unless essential staff T4s borders should be closed

Seal off the M25 for the benefit of the rest of the country . Nothing on,nothing out except medicine and food

You know it’s not just within the M25 T4 ? Have Colchester closed their borders with the rest of Essex ? "

Well we still have a Roman Wall.. keep the covidiots out

Keep the buggers out I say..

Now would ever have thought that building a wall was a good thing .. ?

Maybe Grumpy Trumpy was on to something

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

The viral load of the new variety is much higher according to the scientists .

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"The viral load of the new variety is much higher according to the scientists ."

This, without context, is a meaningless statement. Do you mean that the viral load in infected cells (and ergo people) is much higher?

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"The viral load of the new variety is much higher according to the scientists .

This, without context, is a meaningless statement. Do you mean that the viral load in infected cells (and ergo people) is much higher?"

Well not sure that in a swingers lounge that any statement needs to be meaningful but some treat this like a polytechnic lecture theatre....

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"The viral load of the new variety is much higher according to the scientists .

This, without context, is a meaningless statement. Do you mean that the viral load in infected cells (and ergo people) is much higher?

Well not sure that in a swingers lounge that any statement needs to be meaningful but some treat this like a polytechnic lecture theatre...."

If you're going to try and make scientific statements, then make them accurate and meaningful, or don't make them. I don't care whether it's a swinging site, a plumbers forum or the University of Cambridge. Inaccurate and misrepresented science results in people doing 2+2 and getting 6.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch


"The viral load of the new variety is much higher according to the scientists .

This, without context, is a meaningless statement. Do you mean that the viral load in infected cells (and ergo people) is much higher?

Well not sure that in a swingers lounge that any statement needs to be meaningful but some treat this like a polytechnic lecture theatre....

If you're going to try and make scientific statements, then make them accurate and meaningful, or don't make them. I don't care whether it's a swinging site, a plumbers forum or the University of Cambridge. Inaccurate and misrepresented science results in people doing 2+2 and getting 6."

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"The viral load of the new variety is much higher according to the scientists .

This, without context, is a meaningless statement. Do you mean that the viral load in infected cells (and ergo people) is much higher?

Well not sure that in a swingers lounge that any statement needs to be meaningful but some treat this like a polytechnic lecture theatre....

If you're going to try and make scientific statements, then make them accurate and meaningful, or don't make them. I don't care whether it's a swinging site, a plumbers forum or the University of Cambridge. Inaccurate and misrepresented science results in people doing 2+2 and getting 6."

You mean 2+2 is not 6?

Blimey, and I thought you had a degree in quantum physics...

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"The viral load of the new variety is much higher according to the scientists .

This, without context, is a meaningless statement. Do you mean that the viral load in infected cells (and ergo people) is much higher?

Well not sure that in a swingers lounge that any statement needs to be meaningful but some treat this like a polytechnic lecture theatre....

If you're going to try and make scientific statements, then make them accurate and meaningful, or don't make them. I don't care whether it's a swinging site, a plumbers forum or the University of Cambridge. Inaccurate and misrepresented science results in people doing 2+2 and getting 6."

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire


"The viral load of the new variety is much higher according to the scientists .

This, without context, is a meaningless statement. Do you mean that the viral load in infected cells (and ergo people) is much higher?

Well not sure that in a swingers lounge that any statement needs to be meaningful but some treat this like a polytechnic lecture theatre....

If you're going to try and make scientific statements, then make them accurate and meaningful, or don't make them. I don't care whether it's a swinging site, a plumbers forum or the University of Cambridge. Inaccurate and misrepresented science results in people doing 2+2 and getting 6."

Absolutely

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South


"The viral load of the new variety is much higher according to the scientists .

This, without context, is a meaningless statement. Do you mean that the viral load in infected cells (and ergo people) is much higher?

Well not sure that in a swingers lounge that any statement needs to be meaningful but some treat this like a polytechnic lecture theatre....

If you're going to try and make scientific statements, then make them accurate and meaningful, or don't make them. I don't care whether it's a swinging site, a plumbers forum or the University of Cambridge. Inaccurate and misrepresented science results in people doing 2+2 and getting 6.

Absolutely "

Agreed.

E

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By *ets join the funCouple
over a year ago

london


"Yes a new strain. Now everyone's gonna line up for the vaccine even more.

There have been some very mixed messages on this. Vaccines act by training your immune system.

Some gvt minister (admittedly may have been Rabb or Shapps and they’re morons) said the new strain can “fool the immune system”.

Now clearly that doesn’t make perfect sense but if we use Flu as a model then the “spikes” the mRNA vaccine trains your body to attack MAY differ, as such the vaccine MAY not be effective.

We simply don’t know at this stage, and the people giving the press conferences couldn’t think their way out of a wet paper bag.

So pinch of salt with all “facts” just now. Try to look after you and yours. Don’t do anything stupid. "

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Apparently it's spreading faster.. hope that's scientific enough for some..

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

Isnt it just the flu/cold season that have started tho?

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"Apparently it's spreading faster.. hope that's scientific enough for some.. "

It's too early to say this for absolute certainty though.

From the following article:

"Mathematicians have been running the numbers on the spread of different variants in an attempt to calculate how much of an edge this one might have.

But teasing apart what is due to people's behaviour and what is due to the virus is hard.

The figure mentioned by Prime Minister Boris Johnson was that the variant may be up to 70% more transmissible. He said this may be increasing the R number - which indicates if an epidemic is growing or shrinking - by 0.4.

That 70% number appeared in a presentation by Dr Erik Volz, from Imperial College London , on Friday.

During the talk he said: "It is really too early to tell… but from what we see so far it is growing very quickly, it is growing faster than [a previous variant] ever grew, but it is important to keep an eye on this."

There is no "nailed on" figure for how much more infectious the variant may be. Scientists, whose work is not yet public, have told me figures both much higher and much lower than 70%.

But there remain questions about whether it is any more infectious at all."

Read the last segment.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55388846

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

So it is spreading faster..

Agreed

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere


"So it is spreading faster..

Agreed "

They know it is.

Figures 2 weeks ago to week end were 28% of covid cases were the new strain. A week later to week end it was 60 something % so doubling, roughly, in a week. Almost like it's taking over.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"So it is spreading faster..

Agreed

They know it is.

Figures 2 weeks ago to week end were 28% of covid cases were the new strain. A week later to week end it was 60 something % so doubling, roughly, in a week. Almost like it's taking over. "

Well the self appointed expert on here does not agree.. got her degree out of a kellogs cornflake box and knows better than anyone..

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"So it is spreading faster..

Agreed

They know it is.

Figures 2 weeks ago to week end were 28% of covid cases were the new strain. A week later to week end it was 60 something % so doubling, roughly, in a week. Almost like it's taking over. "

But at the moment, it isn't certain if/by how much and to what extent, if human behaviour is to blame for the increase (eg increased mixing indoors - schools, businesses, shops etc). Correlation and causation - we must take care to find the evidence first, then draw conclusions. The lab science is underway but you don't form such conclusions immediately.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

From the British Medical Journal (which I cannot link to)

Does this variant spread more quickly?

Matt Hancock told the House of Commons on 14 December that initial analysis showed that the new variant “may be associated” with the recent rise in cases in southeast England. However, this is not the same as saying that it is causing the rise.

Loman explained, “This variant is strongly associated with where we are seeing increasing rates of covid-19. It’s a correlation, but we can’t say it is causation. But there is striking growth in this variant, which is why we are worried, and it needs urgent follow-up and investigation.”

Covid-19: New coronavirus variant is identified in UK

BMJ 2020; 371 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.m4857 (Published 16 December 2020)

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"So it is spreading faster..

Agreed

They know it is.

Figures 2 weeks ago to week end were 28% of covid cases were the new strain. A week later to week end it was 60 something % so doubling, roughly, in a week. Almost like it's taking over.

But at the moment, it isn't certain if/by how much and to what extent, if human behaviour is to blame for the increase (eg increased mixing indoors - schools, businesses, shops etc). Correlation and causation - we must take care to find the evidence first, then draw conclusions. The lab science is underway but you don't form such conclusions immediately."

Yawn... Really..

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere


"So it is spreading faster..

Agreed

They know it is.

Figures 2 weeks ago to week end were 28% of covid cases were the new strain. A week later to week end it was 60 something % so doubling, roughly, in a week. Almost like it's taking over.

But at the moment, it isn't certain if/by how much and to what extent, if human behaviour is to blame for the increase (eg increased mixing indoors - schools, businesses, shops etc). Correlation and causation - we must take care to find the evidence first, then draw conclusions. The lab science is underway but you don't form such conclusions immediately.

Yawn... Really.. "

No need to yawn, she's right but if it carries on at the current rate it's obviously going to be a huge problem.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"So it is spreading faster..

Agreed

They know it is.

Figures 2 weeks ago to week end were 28% of covid cases were the new strain. A week later to week end it was 60 something % so doubling, roughly, in a week. Almost like it's taking over.

But at the moment, it isn't certain if/by how much and to what extent, if human behaviour is to blame for the increase (eg increased mixing indoors - schools, businesses, shops etc). Correlation and causation - we must take care to find the evidence first, then draw conclusions. The lab science is underway but you don't form such conclusions immediately.

Yawn... Really..

No need to yawn, she's right but if it carries on at the current rate it's obviously going to be a huge problem. "

It's already a huge problem..

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings


"From the British Medical Journal (which I cannot link to)

Does this variant spread more quickly?

Matt Hancock told the House of Commons on 14 December that initial analysis showed that the new variant “may be associated” with the recent rise in cases in southeast England. However, this is not the same as saying that it is causing the rise.

Loman explained, “This variant is strongly associated with where we are seeing increasing rates of covid-19. It’s a correlation, but we can’t say it is causation. But there is striking growth in this variant, which is why we are worried, and it needs urgent follow-up and investigation.”

Covid-19: New coronavirus variant is identified in UK

BMJ 2020; 371 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.m4857 (Published 16 December 2020)"

So was this dummer & dummer can some one explain to them that 2 + 2 = 5

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Some are slower than others and bizarrri often those who claim to be educated..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The UK does the most genome testing in the world, which is why they picked up the new variant where other countries haven’t. There have been other variants throughout but none have triggered this response in the UK.

The BMJ has published that it is up to 71% more infectious and in the face of that, until more scientific and statistical information is collated, it is entirely sensible to make an effort to reduce its spread by lockdown. I fail to understand which part of this people struggle with.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"From the British Medical Journal (which I cannot link to)

Does this variant spread more quickly?

Matt Hancock told the House of Commons on 14 December that initial analysis showed that the new variant “may be associated” with the recent rise in cases in southeast England. However, this is not the same as saying that it is causing the rise.

Loman explained, “This variant is strongly associated with where we are seeing increasing rates of covid-19. It’s a correlation, but we can’t say it is causation. But there is striking growth in this variant, which is why we are worried, and it needs urgent follow-up and investigation.”

Covid-19: New coronavirus variant is identified in UK

BMJ 2020; 371 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.m4857 (Published 16 December 2020)"

Your absolutely right in your posts and many users welcome them but your pissing in the wind trying to helpfully educated the OP. All your getting back is scaremongering, unsubstantiated slogans he's picked up and worse just plain rudeness.

KJ

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The UK does the most genome testing in the world, which is why they picked up the new variant where other countries haven’t. There have been other variants throughout but none have triggered this response in the UK.

The BMJ has published that it is up to 71% more infectious and in the face of that, until more scientific and statistical information is collated, it is entirely sensible to make an effort to reduce its spread by lockdown. I fail to understand which part of this people struggle with."

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"The UK does the most genome testing in the world, which is why they picked up the new variant where other countries haven’t. There have been other variants throughout but none have triggered this response in the UK.

The BMJ has published that it is up to 71% more infectious and in the face of that, until more scientific and statistical information is collated, it is entirely sensible to make an effort to reduce its spread by lockdown. I fail to understand which part of this people struggle with."

The BMJ has published no such thing. Boris Johnson stated "the new variant may be up to 70% more transmissible than the old one." He is not the BMJ.

I'm not saying this variant ISN'T more transmissible. Nor that it IS. We have some data that correlates (new genetic variant and increase in cases). What we don't have is direct evidence of causation. Until we have that, we'll treat it seriously but not jump to conclusions (well, some of us will).

There are a lot of variables that could be either the only cause, or contributing causes. Like more people mixing, indoors and close proximity.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"From the British Medical Journal (which I cannot link to)

Does this variant spread more quickly?

Matt Hancock told the House of Commons on 14 December that initial analysis showed that the new variant “may be associated” with the recent rise in cases in southeast England. However, this is not the same as saying that it is causing the rise.

Loman explained, “This variant is strongly associated with where we are seeing increasing rates of covid-19. It’s a correlation, but we can’t say it is causation. But there is striking growth in this variant, which is why we are worried, and it needs urgent follow-up and investigation.”

Covid-19: New coronavirus variant is identified in UK

BMJ 2020; 371 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.m4857 (Published 16 December 2020)

Your absolutely right in your posts and many users welcome them but your pissing in the wind trying to helpfully educated the OP. All your getting back is scaremongering, unsubstantiated slogans he's picked up and worse just plain rudeness.

KJ "

Oh, I'm not trying to educate that individual. I'm not that keen on self flagellation. I'd rather than balance was provided. That's all. Otherwise those spreading crud win.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"From the British Medical Journal (which I cannot link to)

Does this variant spread more quickly?

Matt Hancock told the House of Commons on 14 December that initial analysis showed that the new variant “may be associated” with the recent rise in cases in southeast England. However, this is not the same as saying that it is causing the rise.

Loman explained, “This variant is strongly associated with where we are seeing increasing rates of covid-19. It’s a correlation, but we can’t say it is causation. But there is striking growth in this variant, which is why we are worried, and it needs urgent follow-up and investigation.”

Covid-19: New coronavirus variant is identified in UK

BMJ 2020; 371 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.m4857 (Published 16 December 2020)

Your absolutely right in your posts and many users welcome them but your pissing in the wind trying to helpfully educated the OP. All your getting back is scaremongering, unsubstantiated slogans he's picked up and worse just plain rudeness.

KJ "

Agree about the rudeness.. much towards Essex Tom

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"From the British Medical Journal (which I cannot link to)

Does this variant spread more quickly?

Matt Hancock told the House of Commons on 14 December that initial analysis showed that the new variant “may be associated” with the recent rise in cases in southeast England. However, this is not the same as saying that it is causing the rise.

Loman explained, “This variant is strongly associated with where we are seeing increasing rates of covid-19. It’s a correlation, but we can’t say it is causation. But there is striking growth in this variant, which is why we are worried, and it needs urgent follow-up and investigation.”

Covid-19: New coronavirus variant is identified in UK

BMJ 2020; 371 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.m4857 (Published 16 December 2020)

Your absolutely right in your posts and many users welcome them but your pissing in the wind trying to helpfully educated the OP. All your getting back is scaremongering, unsubstantiated slogans he's picked up and worse just plain rudeness.

KJ

Oh, I'm not trying to educate that individual. I'm not that keen on self flagellation. I'd rather than balance was provided. That's all. Otherwise those spreading crud win."

Not sure your capable of educating anybody..

All I hear is my my my degree..

Well there are degrees and degrees..

An undergraduate degree

Distinction.. employable

2:1 potentially employable

2:2 employable but not in your chosen subject

Pass .. forget it...

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire


"From the British Medical Journal (which I cannot link to)

Does this variant spread more quickly?

Matt Hancock told the House of Commons on 14 December that initial analysis showed that the new variant “may be associated” with the recent rise in cases in southeast England. However, this is not the same as saying that it is causing the rise.

Loman explained, “This variant is strongly associated with where we are seeing increasing rates of covid-19. It’s a correlation, but we can’t say it is causation. But there is striking growth in this variant, which is why we are worried, and it needs urgent follow-up and investigation.”

Covid-19: New coronavirus variant is identified in UK

BMJ 2020; 371 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.m4857 (Published 16 December 2020)

Your absolutely right in your posts and many users welcome them but your pissing in the wind trying to helpfully educated the OP. All your getting back is scaremongering, unsubstantiated slogans he's picked up and worse just plain rudeness.

KJ

Oh, I'm not trying to educate that individual. I'm not that keen on self flagellation. I'd rather than balance was provided. That's all. Otherwise those spreading crud win.

Not sure your capable of educating anybody..

All I hear is my my my degree..

Well there are degrees and degrees..

An undergraduate degree

Distinction.. employable

2:1 potentially employable

2:2 employable but not in your chosen subject

Pass .. forget it...

"

How original.

Playing the 'wind people up' card so you can do the poor little me act when they bite back.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"From the British Medical Journal (which I cannot link to)

Does this variant spread more quickly?

Matt Hancock told the House of Commons on 14 December that initial analysis showed that the new variant “may be associated” with the recent rise in cases in southeast England. However, this is not the same as saying that it is causing the rise.

Loman explained, “This variant is strongly associated with where we are seeing increasing rates of covid-19. It’s a correlation, but we can’t say it is causation. But there is striking growth in this variant, which is why we are worried, and it needs urgent follow-up and investigation.”

Covid-19: New coronavirus variant is identified in UK

BMJ 2020; 371 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.m4857 (Published 16 December 2020)

Your absolutely right in your posts and many users welcome them but your pissing in the wind trying to helpfully educated the OP. All your getting back is scaremongering, unsubstantiated slogans he's picked up and worse just plain rudeness.

KJ

Oh, I'm not trying to educate that individual. I'm not that keen on self flagellation. I'd rather than balance was provided. That's all. Otherwise those spreading crud win.

Not sure your capable of educating anybody..

All I hear is my my my degree..

Well there are degrees and degrees..

An undergraduate degree

Distinction.. employable

2:1 potentially employable

2:2 employable but not in your chosen subject

Pass .. forget it...

How original.

Playing the 'wind people up' card so you can do the poor little me act when they bite back."

So Essex Tom is not allowed an opinion.. why not try cancel culture...

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

But as it was not me who brought up the degree..

What was the grade?

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire


"From the British Medical Journal (which I cannot link to)

Does this variant spread more quickly?

Matt Hancock told the House of Commons on 14 December that initial analysis showed that the new variant “may be associated” with the recent rise in cases in southeast England. However, this is not the same as saying that it is causing the rise.

Loman explained, “This variant is strongly associated with where we are seeing increasing rates of covid-19. It’s a correlation, but we can’t say it is causation. But there is striking growth in this variant, which is why we are worried, and it needs urgent follow-up and investigation.”

Covid-19: New coronavirus variant is identified in UK

BMJ 2020; 371 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.m4857 (Published 16 December 2020)

Your absolutely right in your posts and many users welcome them but your pissing in the wind trying to helpfully educated the OP. All your getting back is scaremongering, unsubstantiated slogans he's picked up and worse just plain rudeness.

KJ

Oh, I'm not trying to educate that individual. I'm not that keen on self flagellation. I'd rather than balance was provided. That's all. Otherwise those spreading crud win.

Not sure your capable of educating anybody..

All I hear is my my my degree..

Well there are degrees and degrees..

An undergraduate degree

Distinction.. employable

2:1 potentially employable

2:2 employable but not in your chosen subject

Pass .. forget it...

How original.

Playing the 'wind people up' card so you can do the poor little me act when they bite back.

So Essex Tom is not allowed an opinion.. why not try cancel culture..."

If you think for one second that I'm going to bite you're wrong.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry


"From the British Medical Journal (which I cannot link to)

Does this variant spread more quickly?

Matt Hancock told the House of Commons on 14 December that initial analysis showed that the new variant “may be associated” with the recent rise in cases in southeast England. However, this is not the same as saying that it is causing the rise.

Loman explained, “This variant is strongly associated with where we are seeing increasing rates of covid-19. It’s a correlation, but we can’t say it is causation. But there is striking growth in this variant, which is why we are worried, and it needs urgent follow-up and investigation.”

Covid-19: New coronavirus variant is identified in UK

BMJ 2020; 371 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.m4857 (Published 16 December 2020)

Your absolutely right in your posts and many users welcome them but your pissing in the wind trying to helpfully educated the OP. All your getting back is scaremongering, unsubstantiated slogans he's picked up and worse just plain rudeness.

KJ

Oh, I'm not trying to educate that individual. I'm not that keen on self flagellation. I'd rather than balance was provided. That's all. Otherwise those spreading crud win.

Not sure your capable of educating anybody..

All I hear is my my my degree..

Well there are degrees and degrees..

An undergraduate degree

Distinction.. employable

2:1 potentially employable

2:2 employable but not in your chosen subject

Pass .. forget it...

"

And by way of contrast there's not reading past a misleading headline compounded with attention seeking rudeness. Hmnnn that's a tough one to decide.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

You protest too much...

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"From the British Medical Journal (which I cannot link to)

Does this variant spread more quickly?

Matt Hancock told the House of Commons on 14 December that initial analysis showed that the new variant “may be associated” with the recent rise in cases in southeast England. However, this is not the same as saying that it is causing the rise.

Loman explained, “This variant is strongly associated with where we are seeing increasing rates of covid-19. It’s a correlation, but we can’t say it is causation. But there is striking growth in this variant, which is why we are worried, and it needs urgent follow-up and investigation.”

Covid-19: New coronavirus variant is identified in UK

BMJ 2020; 371 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.m4857 (Published 16 December 2020)

Your absolutely right in your posts and many users welcome them but your pissing in the wind trying to helpfully educated the OP. All your getting back is scaremongering, unsubstantiated slogans he's picked up and worse just plain rudeness.

KJ

Oh, I'm not trying to educate that individual. I'm not that keen on self flagellation. I'd rather than balance was provided. That's all. Otherwise those spreading crud win.

Not sure your capable of educating anybody..

All I hear is my my my degree..

Well there are degrees and degrees..

An undergraduate degree

Distinction.. employable

2:1 potentially employable

2:2 employable but not in your chosen subject

Pass .. forget it...

And by way of contrast there's not reading past a misleading headline compounded with attention seeking rudeness. Hmnnn that's a tough one to decide."

Not you again...

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"From the British Medical Journal (which I cannot link to)

Does this variant spread more quickly?

Matt Hancock told the House of Commons on 14 December that initial analysis showed that the new variant “may be associated” with the recent rise in cases in southeast England. However, this is not the same as saying that it is causing the rise.

Loman explained, “This variant is strongly associated with where we are seeing increasing rates of covid-19. It’s a correlation, but we can’t say it is causation. But there is striking growth in this variant, which is why we are worried, and it needs urgent follow-up and investigation.”

Covid-19: New coronavirus variant is identified in UK

BMJ 2020; 371 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.m4857 (Published 16 December 2020)

Your absolutely right in your posts and many users welcome them but your pissing in the wind trying to helpfully educated the OP. All your getting back is scaremongering, unsubstantiated slogans he's picked up and worse just plain rudeness.

KJ

Oh, I'm not trying to educate that individual. I'm not that keen on self flagellation. I'd rather than balance was provided. That's all. Otherwise those spreading crud win.

Not sure your capable of educating anybody..

All I hear is my my my degree..

Well there are degrees and degrees..

An undergraduate degree

Distinction.. employable

2:1 potentially employable

2:2 employable but not in your chosen subject

Pass .. forget it...

And by way of contrast there's not reading past a misleading headline compounded with attention seeking rudeness. Hmnnn that's a tough one to decide."

The misleading headline that Covid is spreading faster..?

Now let's think about that one..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpuScELWMAA87QI?format=jpg&name=900x900

Not sure if this will copy- I cited the BMJ- should have been NERVTAG-

Moderate confidence that the new variant spreads much faster

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpuScELWMAA87QI?format=jpg&name=900x900

Not sure if this will copy- I cited the BMJ- should have been NERVTAG-

Moderate confidence that the new variant spreads much faster"

Moderate confidence. Not absolute confidence and no specific percentage figures.

Have a read of this from 3 days ago:

"Preliminary genomic characterisation of an emergent SARS-CoV-2 lineage in the UK defined by a novel set of spike mutations" produced by the COVID-19 Genomics Consortium UK.

The final section:

Conclusion:

We report a rapidly growing lineage in the UK associated with an unexpectedly large number of genetic changes including in the receptor-binding domain and associated with the furin cleavage site. Given (i) the experimentally-predicted and plausible phenotypic consequences of some of these mutations, (ii) their unknown effects when present in combination, and (iii) the high growth rate of B.1.1.7 in the UK, this novel lineage requires urgent laboratory characterisation and enhanced genomic surveillance worldwide.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

So what grade ?

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Silence is deafening..

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham


"So what grade ?"

Surely Essex tom is better than this?

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"So what grade ?

Surely Essex tom is better than this?"

Well it wasn't me who brought up degrees

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpuScELWMAA87QI?format=jpg&name=900x900

Not sure if this will copy- I cited the BMJ- should have been NERVTAG-

Moderate confidence that the new variant spreads much faster

Moderate confidence. Not absolute confidence and no specific percentage figures.

Have a read of this from 3 days ago:

"Preliminary genomic characterisation of an emergent SARS-CoV-2 lineage in the UK defined by a novel set of spike mutations" produced by the COVID-19 Genomics Consortium UK.

The final section:

Conclusion:

We report a rapidly growing lineage in the UK associated with an unexpectedly large number of genetic changes including in the receptor-binding domain and associated with the furin cleavage site. Given (i) the experimentally-predicted and plausible phenotypic consequences of some of these mutations, (ii) their unknown effects when present in combination, and (iii) the high growth rate of B.1.1.7 in the UK, this novel lineage requires urgent laboratory characterisation and enhanced genomic surveillance worldwide."

That chills me to the bone. This is likely what we are not being told.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpuScELWMAA87QI?format=jpg&name=900x900

Not sure if this will copy- I cited the BMJ- should have been NERVTAG-

Moderate confidence that the new variant spreads much faster

Moderate confidence. Not absolute confidence and no specific percentage figures.

Have a read of this from 3 days ago:

"Preliminary genomic characterisation of an emergent SARS-CoV-2 lineage in the UK defined by a novel set of spike mutations" produced by the COVID-19 Genomics Consortium UK.

The final section:

Conclusion:

We report a rapidly growing lineage in the UK associated with an unexpectedly large number of genetic changes including in the receptor-binding domain and associated with the furin cleavage site. Given (i) the experimentally-predicted and plausible phenotypic consequences of some of these mutations, (ii) their unknown effects when present in combination, and (iii) the high growth rate of B.1.1.7 in the UK, this novel lineage requires urgent laboratory characterisation and enhanced genomic surveillance worldwide.

That chills me to the bone. This is likely what we are not being told."

What chills you? The layman's version of the above is exactly what has been said on the national briefings by Prof Whitty, et.al.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"But as it was not me who brought up the degree..

What was the grade?"

Where does it mention a degree?

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"But as it was not me who brought up the degree..

What was the grade?

Where does it mention a degree? "

A self proclaimed expert said that she had a degree and she knew better than the rest of us.. I merely ask for confirmation of her credentials.. big ask?

Silence speaks more than words on occasion..

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South


"So what grade ?

Surely Essex tom is better than this?"

Do we have to answer?

E

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"So what grade ?

Surely Essex tom is better than this?

Do we have to answer?

E"

Not you ....

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South


"So what grade ?

Surely Essex tom is better than this?

Do we have to answer?

E

Not you ...."

Phew.....

E

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

It's important to challenge views, qualifications and self appointed experts..

I tend not to follow those who read or quote journals but those who are published in them...

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By *ooo wet tight hornyWoman
over a year ago

lancashire

What's really pissing me off is that they have known since September about this new strain down South, yet done nothing about it till now....so now it's already spread to other area's!!!!

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"What's really pissing me off is that they have known since September about this new strain down South, yet done nothing about it till now....so now it's already spread to other area's!!!! "

I agree but some keep saying..

There is no evidence...

Bullshit.. this is real

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan
over a year ago

nearby

5,903 April peak

27000 cases saturday, 36000 sunday, 33000 yesterday, 37000 today

Clearly uk has a problem

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire


"But as it was not me who brought up the degree..

What was the grade?

Where does it mention a degree?

A self proclaimed expert said that she had a degree and she knew better than the rest of us.. I merely ask for confirmation of her credentials.. big ask?

Silence speaks more than words on occasion.."

Try it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"5,903 April peak

27000 cases saturday, 36000 sunday, 33000 yesterday, 37000 today

Clearly uk has a problem "

Were people being tested at the same frequency in April as they are currently?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"But as it was not me who brought up the degree..

What was the grade?

Where does it mention a degree?

A self proclaimed expert said that she had a degree and she knew better than the rest of us.. I merely ask for confirmation of her credentials.. big ask?

Silence speaks more than words on occasion.."

What proof do you require? I wouldn't give anyone on a swinging site proof of my O'level RE. But I passed it.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"But as it was not me who brought up the degree..

What was the grade?

Where does it mention a degree?

A self proclaimed expert said that she had a degree and she knew better than the rest of us.. I merely ask for confirmation of her credentials.. big ask?

Silence speaks more than words on occasion..

What proof do you require? I wouldn't give anyone on a swinging site proof of my O'level RE. But I passed it. "

But you are not the one who bragged about it

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By *llabouttheladyMan
over a year ago

Wakefield

UK always has a problem at this time of year tho.

Typically hospitals are running at 98% capacity in Dec & Jan, yet right now Yorkshire hospitals have never had as much headroom.

Look past all the BBC News stuff, last week (Wed) the Whitty & Valance said, love on TV none the less, that the virus was most prevalent within secondary school aged children.

The following day they told all secondary schools that they would have to introduce rapid testing upon the return in Jan - 1 week later than scheduled (11th Jan).

Then they dropped the bomb about the new variant, followed by the Xmas cancellation at the weekend.

This was followed by the utter chaos of the last 2 days.

Couldn’t write this shit.

If you search hard enough you’ll find the real numbers, but they ain’t on BBC News.

Now we’ve got people calling for a nationwide lockdown, yet the numbers in the north are dropping rapidly.

I call bullshit - yet again.

But I’m just a Yorkshire fuckwit

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"UK always has a problem at this time of year tho.

Typically hospitals are running at 98% capacity in Dec & Jan, yet right now Yorkshire hospitals have never had as much headroom.

Look past all the BBC News stuff, last week (Wed) the Whitty & Valance said, love on TV none the less, that the virus was most prevalent within secondary school aged children.

The following day they told all secondary schools that they would have to introduce rapid testing upon the return in Jan - 1 week later than scheduled (11th Jan).

Then they dropped the bomb about the new variant, followed by the Xmas cancellation at the weekend.

This was followed by the utter chaos of the last 2 days.

Couldn’t write this shit.

If you search hard enough you’ll find the real numbers, but they ain’t on BBC News.

Now we’ve got people calling for a nationwide lockdown, yet the numbers in the north are dropping rapidly.

I call bullshit - yet again.

But I’m just a Yorkshire fuckwit

"

Lancashire maybe ?

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan
over a year ago

nearby


"What's really pissing me off is that they have known since September about this new strain down South, yet done nothing about it till now....so now it's already spread to other area's!!!! "

Hard to know what to believe or what they’ve hidden

The lost EU memo in January to join 27 EU counties to bulk purchase medical supplies following the WHO advice of the oncoming pandemic

The daily lies of adequate PPE, cue the NHS staff crowdfunding £700k to buy it

The 40% cut in Pre crisis pandemic budget amidst a decade of austerity.

Could go on....

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan
over a year ago

nearby


"5,903 April peak

27000 cases saturday, 36000 sunday, 33000 yesterday, 37000 today

Clearly uk has a problem

Were people being tested at the same frequency in April as they are currently?"

Definitely not

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South


"But as it was not me who brought up the degree..

What was the grade?

Where does it mention a degree?

A self proclaimed expert said that she had a degree and she knew better than the rest of us.. I merely ask for confirmation of her credentials.. big ask?

Silence speaks more than words on occasion..

Try it."

E

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"What's really pissing me off is that they have known since September about this new strain down South, yet done nothing about it till now....so now it's already spread to other area's!!!!

Hard to know what to believe or what they’ve hidden

The lost EU memo in January to join 27 EU counties to bulk purchase medical supplies following the WHO advice of the oncoming pandemic

The daily lies of adequate PPE, cue the NHS staff crowdfunding £700k to buy it

The 40% cut in Pre crisis pandemic budget amidst a decade of austerity.

Could go on...."

Cowboys running this circus..

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford


"5,903 April peak

27000 cases saturday, 36000 sunday, 33000 yesterday, 37000 today

Clearly uk has a problem

Were people being tested at the same frequency in April as they are currently?

Definitely not "

Can’t compare positive cases now with April, we are indeed testing more. However we do not have more capacity than a few weeks ago, cases really have rocketed . Daily deaths will follow suit and those we can compare with April

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Conclusion:

We report a rapidly growing lineage in the UK associated with an unexpectedly large number of genetic changes including in the receptor-binding domain and associated with the furin cleavage site. Given (i) the experimentally-predicted and plausible phenotypic consequences of some of these mutations, (ii) their unknown effects when present in combination, and (iii) the high growth rate of B.1.1.7 in the UK, this novel lineage requires urgent laboratory characterisation and enhanced genomic surveillance worldwide.

That chills me to the bone. This is likely what we are not being told.

What chills you? The layman's version of the above is exactly what has been said on the national briefings by Prof Whitty, et.al."

What it potentially means. Consequences are not certain at the moment, as far as I can tell, but the important bit from changes in the furin -cleavage site, is the possibility of a variant not only being much more infective but also changing who and what it infects.

Variants involving the site have been investigated from Dec onwards last year but none have triggered this worldwide reaction. This suggests there may be a lot more issue with it than suggested- more infective, different infections, younger adults and children and possibly transfer to animals.

Until the full science is made known, I for one, am taking this very, very seriously.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

A second new variant been detected in 2 cases come in from South Africa, highly transmissable...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A second new variant been detected in 2 cases come in from South Africa, highly transmissable..."

The main reason the new variants have been detected in UK and South Africa is because these 2 countries carry out massively more genome sequencing than any others. There were more genome sequencing done in Wales alone last WEEK than in the whole of France during the whole pandemic.

The chances are there are variants everywhere in the world, it's simply that UK and SA have a much better capability to identify them than anywhere else.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford


"A second new variant been detected in 2 cases come in from South Africa, highly transmissable...

The main reason the new variants have been detected in UK and South Africa is because these 2 countries carry out massively more genome sequencing than any others. There were more genome sequencing done in Wales alone last WEEK than in the whole of France during the whole pandemic.

The chances are there are variants everywhere in the world, it's simply that UK and SA have a much better capability to identify them than anywhere else."

Thank you

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"A second new variant been detected in 2 cases come in from South Africa, highly transmissable...

The main reason the new variants have been detected in UK and South Africa is because these 2 countries carry out massively more genome sequencing than any others. There were more genome sequencing done in Wales alone last WEEK than in the whole of France during the whole pandemic.

The chances are there are variants everywhere in the world, it's simply that UK and SA have a much better capability to identify them than anywhere else."

Great.. so nothing to worry about then ..

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By *ary_ArgyllMan
over a year ago

Argyll


"A second new variant been detected in 2 cases come in from South Africa, highly transmissable...

The main reason the new variants have been detected in UK and South Africa is because these 2 countries carry out massively more genome sequencing than any others. There were more genome sequencing done in Wales alone last WEEK than in the whole of France during the whole pandemic.

The chances are there are variants everywhere in the world, it's simply that UK and SA have a much better capability to identify them than anywhere else.

Great.. so nothing to worry about then .."

Higher transmission is a problem if this strain has the same, or higher, morbidity - however, evolutionary selection pressure in viruses tends to trade off transmission with morbidity but it is too early to know if this has happened here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Transmission and morbidity are the same. Do you mean mortality, which is the crux of the issue?

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


"Transmission and morbidity are the same. Do you mean mortality, which is the crux of the issue?"

Nearly but not quite

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By *lue NoteMan
over a year ago

Chertsey


"God so scared of Covid we have 0000.3 chance of dying from it

Great news. Fuck the people who do die and have serious problems from it, as long as you are ok. why you got no profile photo ??"

Planks thick short two as.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Breaking Sky News

The new Variety of Covid is spreading faster

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My may concern is ... Is it resistant to the vaccine this new strain???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My may concern is ... Is it resistant to the vaccine this new strain??? "

It’s way too early to make meaningful judgements as figures and evidence is so limited.

Vacinne resistance is indeed a worry, added to that it’s viral load which appears to often be far higher and seriously affecting younger age groups and of course its increased ability to spread.

It’s a concern but it will take time to properly understand the implications

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We are in a covid winter not a storm, the main concern is that this is just beggining, what hurt and suffering that has happened has really just started, if these vaccines don't work then god help us, have a good xmas

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We are in a covid winter not a storm, the main concern is that this is just beggining, what hurt and suffering that has happened has really just started, if these vaccines don't work then god help us, have a good xmas "

Merry Xmas mate...let's hope they do work or your right, we are fecked

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