FabSwingers.com forum: Bit hasty

By *igh wide and handsome OP Man
over a year ago

Dagenham

The daily mail are reporting 2 health workers reporting bad reactions.

Thats me being an 'anti vaxxer' and waiting at least a year to see if any other effects come out.

Is everyone else still willing to dive in head first??

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

"The daily mail are reporting 2 health workers reporting bad reactions.

Thats me being an 'anti vaxxer' and waiting at least a year to see if any other effects come out.

Is everyone else still willing to dive in head first??"
I won't be diving in head first I want more information about this first. I cannot believe this government on anything they now, say going on all their previous hot wind. Everyone has a choice,. By all means, have, the vaccine, if it makes you feel happier. I want to see more proof

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The daily mail are reporting 2 health workers reporting bad reactions.

Thats me being an 'anti vaxxer' and waiting at least a year to see if any other effects come out.

Is everyone else still willing to dive in head first??I won't be diving in head first I want more information about this first. I cannot believe this government on anything they now, say going on all their previous hot wind. Everyone has a choice,. By all means, have, the vaccine, if it makes you feel happier. I want to see more proof "

What proof do you want?

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By *ureEscapismMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

You’re 35 OP, unless you have any serious underlying health conditions, you won’t be getting one anytime soon anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A bit of reading lists these side effects

an allergic reaction, which can cause a rash and swelling

flushing, low blood pressure and a fast heartbeat – this can sometimes happen when it is given in hospital into a vein in your arm

blood disorders, such as thrombocytopenia (low number of platelet cells) and leukopenia (low number of white blood cells)

Oh no my mistake these are the side effects for PARACETAMOL

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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners

I wondered how long it would take for the anti-Vaxers to pick up on this.

Two people have had an allergic reaction. But that is two out of how many who have had the vaccine.

Is it volunteers who were part of the trials or is it on this roll out.

Context is everything without it you cannot make any form of judgment otherwise you are just scaremongering for the sake of it on the basis of a single headline.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The daily mail are reporting 2 health workers reporting bad reactions.

Thats me being an 'anti vaxxer' and waiting at least a year to see if any other effects come out.

Exactly this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The daily mail are reporting 2 health workers reporting bad reactions.

Thats me being an 'anti vaxxer' and waiting at least a year to see if any other effects come out.

Is everyone else still willing to dive in head first??"

Every single medicine and vaccine will provoke an allergic reaction in some people , have you ever read the leaflets that come with them ?

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By *xhib12Man
over a year ago

Blyth

"The daily mail are reporting 2 health workers reporting bad reactions.

Thats me being an 'anti vaxxer' and waiting at least a year to see if any other effects come out.

Is everyone else still willing to dive in head first??"

It was two people reported an allergic reaction not a'bad reaction'. You can get an allergic reaction from just about anything. Stop the scaremongering.

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By *litterbabeWoman
over a year ago

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The article I read said it was 2 people out of 5000 that were administered the vaccine yesterday.

It stated the current guidelines have now been updated and that anybody with severe allergies should not take the vaccine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The article I read said it was 2 people out of 5000 that were administered the vaccine yesterday.

It stated the current guidelines have now been updated and that anybody with severe allergies should not take the vaccine."

So thats anyone who can't have the vaccine unable to fly then according to some

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

It stated the current guidelines have now been updated and that anybody with severe allergies should not take the vaccine."

That warning pretty standard for most vaccines.

This is just the usual combination of shitty British so called journalism combined with a well trained gullible readership. The two individuals concerned both have a significant history of allergies.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

It stated the current guidelines have now been updated and that anybody with severe allergies should not take the vaccine.

That warning pretty standard for most vaccines.

This is just the usual combination of shitty British so called journalism combined with a well trained gullible readership. The two individuals concerned both have a significant history of allergies."

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By *igh wide and handsome OP Man
over a year ago

Dagenham

"I wondered how long it would take for the anti-Vaxers to pick up on this.

Two people have had an allergic reaction. But that is two out of how many who have had the vaccine.

Is it volunteers who were part of the trials or is it on this roll out.

Context is everything without it you cannot make any form of judgment otherwise you are just scaremongering for the sake of it on the basis of a single headline."

Ive not been an anti vaxxer at all. Im anti something that's been devolped quicker than one of boris's excuses. And I'll wait to see if any more pretty standard 'side effects' develop.

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By *uliaChrisCouple
over a year ago

westerham

I did find it a bit surprising that there’s been two allergic reactions out of five thousand shots tbh, when I thought it wasn’t an egg based vaccine, and the trial of 43,000 people didn’t identify this.

In practice, other vaccines are coming, severely allergic people may have to wait a bit longer for a solution but most of us are going to be waiting a long time anyway.

Although I’m slightly sceptical of the approval process, in this case if the trial didn’t pick up any issues then I don’t see how a longer approval would have changed the outcome.

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By *spotpleasurerMan
over a year ago

Norwich

You have to put the side effects in context. Any medicine, vaccine or otherwise, that is injected will have inflammation and allergy as potential side effects.

It is just your body reacting to a needle poked through it. Try it at home and see what happens! If you object, it should be to all injected medicines rather than just this vaccine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The daily mail are reporting 2 health workers reporting bad reactions.

Thats me being an 'anti vaxxer' and waiting at least a year to see if any other effects come out.

Is everyone else still willing to dive in head first??"

if you read the articles rather than the headlines you will see its people who already have severe reactions to many things so already carry about epi pens (ie their bodies are over sensitive to more than just vaccines and its already something they are well aware of and prepared for) as both had mild reactions (ie a rash or some swelling) not anaphylactic shock or anything

the same people probably can’t eat peanuts ... shall we just ban that for everyone now?

talk about click bait and mountains out of molehills

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By *igh wide and handsome OP Man
over a year ago

Dagenham

"You have to put the side effects in context. Any medicine, vaccine or otherwise, that is injected will have inflammation and allergy as potential side effects.

It is just your body reacting to a needle poked through it. Try it at home and see what happens! If you object, it should be to all injected medicines rather than just this vaccine."

So this vaccine is definitely as safe as any other injected medicine??

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By *emartesMan
over a year ago

Brixton/Oval

Fuck the Daily Mail.

Second from three BBC:

"The two people had a reaction shortly after having the new jab, had treatment and are both fine now.

They are understood to have had an anaphylactoid reaction, which tends to involve a skin rash, breathlessness and sometimes a drop in blood pressure. This is not the same a potentially fatal anaphylaxis.

Both NHS workers have a history of serious allergies and carry adrenaline pens around with them."

This very safe and effective vaccine has a chance to effect some people negatively, this post and similars like it are nothing more than fear mongering and posters should be ashamed for spreading misinformation.

I really hope the mods will take a tougher stand on people here and those with their tinfoil hats would fuck off up Qanon and their Factbook groups.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If people actually read the facts the two people who had reactions do suffer from this condition (sever allergic reactions) to such a degree that both carry the epi pen adrenaline for self injection. 99.9% of clinical trials are done using people who do not have or have shown to have allergic reactions. So a worst case scenario was played out by the NHS and it was controlled and both are making a full recovery. But like always there are those that use it to stir fear and sow misinformation

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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners

"I wondered how long it would take for the anti-Vaxers to pick up on this.

Two people have had an allergic reaction. But that is two out of how many who have had the vaccine.

Is it volunteers who were part of the trials or is it on this roll out.

Context is everything without it you cannot make any form of judgment otherwise you are just scaremongering for the sake of it on the basis of a single headline.

Ive not been an anti vaxxer at all. Im anti something that's been devolped quicker than one of boris's excuses. And I'll wait to see if any more pretty standard 'side effects' develop."

Then clearly you have no understanding of the and the development behind this.

At the risk of repeating myself for probably the 101st time. mRNA vaccine have been in development for decades it is only the COVID identifier that has been isolated this year. This because large amounts of money and personnel have been thrown at it.

Rather than a few researchers grubbing around for research grants.

Plus the 10’s of thousands of volunteers who have taken part in trials over the years.

But I guess all this means nothing to you as you can’t be bothered to familiarise yourself with the actual facts behind the headlines.

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South

"The daily mail are reporting 2 health workers reporting bad reactions.

Thats me being an 'anti vaxxer' and waiting at least a year to see if any other effects come out.

Is everyone else still willing to dive in head first??"

2 people have had an allergic reaction. That's not a "bad reaction"

Thousands of people have allergic reactions every day, from everyday "things".

This is the Daily Fail at it yet again.

Stop the scaremongering OP.

Read some actual science.

Hope this helps the NHS position.

From The NHS UK website;

A coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine developed by Pfizer/BioNTech has been approved for use in the UK.

The vaccine will be made available from next week.

The vaccine has met strict standards of safety, quality and effectiveness set out by the independent Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA).

Other vaccines are being developed. They will only be available on the NHS once they have been thoroughly tested to make sure they are safe and effective.

Vaccine safety.

Any coronavirus vaccine that is approved must go through all the clinical trials and safety checks all other licensed medicines go through. The UK has some of the highest safety standards in the world.

Vaccines will only be used if they are approved by the MHRA. The MHRA has been monitoring every stage of coronavirus vaccine development.

So far, thousands of people have been given a coronavirus vaccine and no serious side effects or complications have been reported.

Note the last paragraph.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"The daily mail are reporting 2 health workers reporting bad reactions.

Thats me being an 'anti vaxxer' and waiting at least a year to see if any other effects come out.

Is everyone else still willing to dive in head first??"
Yes cannot get vaccine quick enough but if you look for reasons not to have it you will find them

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"The daily mail are reporting 2 health workers reporting bad reactions.

Thats me being an 'anti vaxxer' and waiting at least a year to see if any other effects come out.

Is everyone else still willing to dive in head first??"

Yep

I often find whatever the daily mail says..its always prudent to take the opposite view

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South

"I wondered how long it would take for the anti-Vaxers to pick up on this.

Two people have had an allergic reaction. But that is two out of how many who have had the vaccine.

Is it volunteers who were part of the trials or is it on this roll out.

Context is everything without it you cannot make any form of judgment otherwise you are just scaremongering for the sake of it on the basis of a single headline.

Ive not been an anti vaxxer at all. Im anti something that's been devolped quicker than one of boris's excuses. And I'll wait to see if any more pretty standard 'side effects' develop."

There's this thing called "Critical Thinking", give it a go.

The core "template" for the C19 vaccine has existed for many years, waiting for the next virus to arrive. This vaccine hasn't been created from scratch, scientists had a very significant head start time wise.

This virus is affecting the entire world, its not geographically localised, or only affecting certain people. The world's greatest scientists and researchers have shared and pooled resources to create a vaccine. Much time saved.

More money has been thrown at this vaccine than any other.

These 3 factors alone should tell you why we've been able to get to this point so quickly. It's frankly ridiculous to ignore or not even consider them.

Here's the logical extension of your thinking.

We have a global pandemic that's killing millions.

The same virus is destroying the core organs and respiratory systems of those it doesn't kill.

It's affecting the physical and mental health of millions.

It's destroying industry and commerce.

But hey no, no rush, well take a few more years to come up with a solution.

Fecund stupidity of the highest order.

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By *igh wide and handsome OP Man
over a year ago

Dagenham

"I wondered how long it would take for the anti-Vaxers to pick up on this.

Two people have had an allergic reaction. But that is two out of how many who have had the vaccine.

Is it volunteers who were part of the trials or is it on this roll out.

Context is everything without it you cannot make any form of judgment otherwise you are just scaremongering for the sake of it on the basis of a single headline.

Ive not been an anti vaxxer at all. Im anti something that's been devolped quicker than one of boris's excuses. And I'll wait to see if any more pretty standard 'side effects' develop.

There's this thing called "Critical Thinking", give it a go.

More money has been thrown at this vaccine than any other.

These 3 factors alone should tell you why we've been able to get to this point so quickly. It's frankly ridiculous to ignore or not even consider them.

Here's the logical extension of your thinking.

We have a global pandemic that's killing millions.

The same virus is destroying the core organs and respiratory systems of those it doesn't kill.

It's affecting the physical and mental health of millions.

It's destroying industry and commerce.

But hey no, no rush, well take a few more years to come up with a solution.

Fecund stupidity of the highest order.

I'll still give it a miss for a year or 2. I'm obviously not as clever as you, but im still not willing to be part of a mass clinical trial.

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By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland

"Fuck the Daily Mail.

Second from three BBC:

"The two people had a reaction shortly after having the new jab, had treatment and are both fine now.

Both NHS workers have a history of serious allergies and carry adrenaline pens around with them."

I really hope the mods will take a tougher stand on people here and those with their tinfoil hats would fuck off up Qanon and their Factbook groups. "

I wonder if these 2 people who carry an EpiPen asked if this vaccine was likely to cause them a reaction..

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By *host63Man
over a year ago

Bedfont Feltham

If a 90 year old woman has the buts to go for it then so shoukd you.

If yih do t want to take it dibt. Ut also do t ducking whine when.yih cant do what you want.

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South

"I wondered how long it would take for the anti-Vaxers to pick up on this.

Two people have had an allergic reaction. But that is two out of how many who have had the vaccine.

Is it volunteers who were part of the trials or is it on this roll out.

Context is everything without it you cannot make any form of judgment otherwise you are just scaremongering for the sake of it on the basis of a single headline.

Ive not been an anti vaxxer at all. Im anti something that's been devolped quicker than one of boris's excuses. And I'll wait to see if any more pretty standard 'side effects' develop.

There's this thing called "Critical Thinking", give it a go.

More money has been thrown at this vaccine than any other.

These 3 factors alone should tell you why we've been able to get to this point so quickly. It's frankly ridiculous to ignore or not even consider them.

Here's the logical extension of your thinking.

We have a global pandemic that's killing millions.

The same virus is destroying the core organs and respiratory systems of those it doesn't kill.

It's affecting the physical and mental health of millions.

It's destroying industry and commerce.

But hey no, no rush, well take a few more years to come up with a solution.

Fecund stupidity of the highest order.

I'll still give it a miss for a year or 2. I'm obviously not as clever as you, but im still not willing to be part of a mass clinical trial."

Hope this helps, I'd hate for anyone to die for want of information. I'd hate for that person to catch it and give it to someone else who dies for want of information.

From The NHS UK website;

A coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine developed by Pfizer/BioNTech has been approved for use in the UK.

The vaccine will be made available from next week.

The vaccine has met strict standards of safety, quality and effectiveness set out by the independent Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA).

Other vaccines are being developed. They will only be available on the NHS once they have been thoroughly tested to make sure they are safe and effective.

Vaccine safety.

Vaccines will only be used if they are approved by the MHRA. The MHRA has been monitoring every stage of coronavirus vaccine development.

So far, thousands of people have been given a coronavirus vaccine and no serious side effects or complications have been reported.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not an anti-vaxxer but believe I am allowed to make my own decision regarding whether or not I have the vacinne.

As with most things in life, people have the right to make their own decisions. What is not right is other people enforcing their decision on others. By all means have a "grown up" discussion and talk about the pros and cons but no-one should be personally attacking others for having or not having the vacinne. I am still "sitting on the fence" and have yet to make a decision as have far too many unanswered questions. Here is a link from the government website

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-for-covid-19/information-for-healthcare-professionals-on-pfizerbiontech-covid-19-vaccine

It clearly states:

4.5 Interaction with other medicinal products and other forms of interaction

No interaction studies have been performed.

Concomitant administration of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 with other vaccines has not been studied (see section 5.1).

Do not mix COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 with other vaccines/products in the same syringe.

4.6 Fertility, pregnancy and lactationPregnancy

There are no or limited amount of data from the use of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2. Animal reproductive toxicity studies have not been completed. COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 is not recommended during pregnancy.

For women of childbearing age, pregnancy should be excluded before vaccination. In addition, women of childbearing age should be advised to avoid pregnancy for at least 2 months after their second dose.

Breast-feeding

It is unknown whether COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 is excreted in human milk. A risk to the newborns/infants cannot be excluded. COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 should not be used during breast-feeding.

Fertility

It is unknown whether COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 has an impact on fertility.

Pfizer have been given protection from legal action by the UK Government. The UK Government also changed The Coronavirus Act 2020 in September this year making them not liable either. Not saying the vacinne isn't safe but you do question why they would need to make Pfizer and themselves not liable for any long term effects.

People have a right to be cautious.

Everyone's circumstances are different. We all have reasons for making choices.

I think we all need to respect each others decision. There is no right or wrong answer. #bekindalways

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By *igh wide and handsome OP Man
over a year ago

Dagenham

"I'm not an anti-vaxxer but believe I am allowed to make my own decision regarding whether or not I have the vacinne.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-for-covid-19/information-for-healthcare-professionals-on-pfizerbiontech-covid-19-vaccine

It clearly states:

4.5 Interaction with other medicinal products and other forms of interaction

No interaction studies have been performed.

Concomitant administration of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 with other vaccines has not been studied (see section 5.1).

Do not mix COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 with other vaccines/products in the same syringe.

4.6 Fertility, pregnancy and lactationPregnancy

Breast-feeding

Fertility

It is unknown whether COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 has an impact on fertility.

People have a right to be cautious.

Everyone's circumstances are different. We all have reasons for making choices.

I think we all need to respect each others decision. There is no right or wrong answer. #bekindalways"

So, this is the point I tried to make with my post, im just not as clever as this wonderful person

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They were people who had previously KNOWN allergies. Their reaction to the vaccine was MILD and both are now FINE.

Can someone....especially (social) media please get a grip on reality??

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over a year ago

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"They were people who had previously KNOWN allergies. Their reaction to the vaccine was MILD and both are now FINE.

Can someone....especially (social) media please get a grip on reality??"

This

Both healthcare workers had a history of anaphylaxis, carried EpiPens and are fine now. Many dr*GS and vaccines can randomly have the same effect in susceptible people. Guidance today was updated to say people with a history of anaphylaxis shouldn't have the vaccine (same as many other vaccines).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wondered how long it would take for the anti-Vaxers to pick up on this.

Two people have had an allergic reaction. But that is two out of how many who have had the vaccine.

Is it volunteers who were part of the trials or is it on this roll out.

Context is everything without it you cannot make any form of judgment otherwise you are just scaremongering for the sake of it on the basis of a single headline."

Maybe apply some of your own advice and and know what an anti vaxxer is and don't make any form or judgement until you learn the difference between an anti vaxxer and some who chooses not to take or waits for further testing.

Comments like yours are nothing more than what scaremongering headlines try to do, cause division and confusions.

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire

So two people who are known to have allergic reactions get... an allergic reaction.

Oh well, hopefully it'll give the antivaxers something other than checking their cornflakes for listening devices to do...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sadly these types of headlines bring out those who have little understanding or discernment and try and make out their smart.

Smart up and think verify with credible sources and cross reference. Don't be part of the problem.

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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners

2 allergic reactions out of 5000 administered vaccinations so far is 0.0004%

You have a greater chance of being abducted by aliens.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The daily mail are reporting 2 health workers reporting bad reactions.

Thats me being an 'anti vaxxer' and waiting at least a year to see if any other effects come out.

Is everyone else still willing to dive in head first??"

I'm willing to have the vaccine.

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South

"I'm not an anti-vaxxer but believe I am allowed to make my own decision regarding whether or not I have the vacinne.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-for-covid-19/information-for-healthcare-professionals-on-pfizerbiontech-covid-19-vaccine

It clearly states:

4.5 Interaction with other medicinal products and other forms of interaction

No interaction studies have been performed.

Concomitant administration of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 with other vaccines has not been studied (see section 5.1).

Do not mix COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 with other vaccines/products in the same syringe.

4.6 Fertility, pregnancy and lactationPregnancy

Breast-feeding

Fertility

It is unknown whether COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 has an impact on fertility.

People have a right to be cautious.

Everyone's circumstances are different. We all have reasons for making choices.

I think we all need to respect each others decision. There is no right or wrong answer. #bekindalways

So, this is the point I tried to make with my post, im just not as clever as this wonderful person

Did what I posted not make sense to you, what didn't you understand?

I'd like to help if I can.

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol

"The daily mail are reporting 2 health workers reporting bad reactions.

Thats me being an 'anti vaxxer' and waiting at least a year to see if any other effects come out.

Is everyone else still willing to dive in head first??"

You do know they were bother very prone to allergic reactions in their day to day lives ?

Also if you ever needed an operation there is always a risk of you dying on the table as a result of the anaesthetic, so I would presume that you would not have an op then ?

We will no doubt have some deaths after vaccinations but nowhere near the amount that are occurring at the moment.

More non news scare tactics

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If it was a really good one ,america would have grabbed it,we are lab rats testing it

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

I have only ever once read the notes that come with all medications, and that was for a human eye drop which the vet prescribed for one of the dogs..

As said all medications come with notes, I am pretty certain not many blokes ever bother..

I also don't ask to see the air worthiness certificate of a plane, not the MOT if on a bus and the relevant similar on a train or ferry..

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol

"If it was a really good one ,america would have grabbed it,we are lab rats testing it"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have only ever once read the notes that come with all medications, and that was for a human eye drop which the vet prescribed for one of the dogs..

As said all medications come with notes, I am pretty certain not many blokes ever bother..

I also don't ask to see the air worthiness certificate of a plane, not the MOT if on a bus and the relevant similar on a train or ferry..

Do you take out holiday insurance?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If it was a really good one ,america would have grabbed it,we are lab rats testing it"

Would you like to explain your reasoning behind this statement?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I have only ever once read the notes that come with all medications, and that was for a human eye drop which the vet prescribed for one of the dogs..

As said all medications come with notes, I am pretty certain not many blokes ever bother..

I also don't ask to see the air worthiness certificate of a plane, not the MOT if on a bus and the relevant similar on a train or ferry..

Do you take out holiday insurance?"

Only when I take the dogs..

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South

"If it was a really good one ,america would have grabbed it,we are lab rats testing it"

I believe the FDA have now approved it.

Must be a good one after all.

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By *litterbabeWoman
over a year ago

hiding from cock pics.

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By *alldarksurreyMan
over a year ago

surrey

"If it was a really good one ,america would have grabbed it,we are lab rats testing it

I believe the FDA have now approved it.

Must be a good one after all.

The fda also approved thalidomide and look what a ongoing shit show that turned out to be

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By *igh wide and handsome OP Man
over a year ago

Dagenham

"I'm not an anti-vaxxer but believe I am allowed to make my own decision regarding whether or not I have the vacinne.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-for-covid-19/information-for-healthcare-professionals-on-pfizerbiontech-covid-19-vaccine

It clearly states:

4.5 Interaction with other medicinal products and other forms of interaction

No interaction studies have been performed.

Concomitant administration of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 with other vaccines has not been studied (see section 5.1).

Do not mix COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 with other vaccines/products in the same syringe.

4.6 Fertility, pregnancy and lactationPregnancy

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Fertility

It is unknown whether COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 has an impact on fertility.

People have a right to be cautious.

Everyone's circumstances are different. We all have reasons for making choices.

I think we all need to respect each others decision. There is no right or wrong answer. #bekindalways

So, this is the point I tried to make with my post, im just not as clever as this wonderful person

Did what I posted not make sense to you, what didn't you understand?

I'd like to help if I can.

It makes perfect sense, its what I felt, but im to lazy to do the research.

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South

"If it was a really good one ,america would have grabbed it,we are lab rats testing it

I believe the FDA have now approved it.

Must be a good one after all.

The fda also approved thalidomide and look what a ongoing shit show that turned out to be "

I'm quietly confident that research, testing, approvals, licensing have changed and improved more than a tad in the intervening 60 years since that happened.

Ate you saying you'll not take the Covid vaccine because of Thalidomide?

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South

"I'm not an anti-vaxxer but believe I am allowed to make my own decision regarding whether or not I have the vacinne.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-for-covid-19/information-for-healthcare-professionals-on-pfizerbiontech-covid-19-vaccine

It clearly states:

4.5 Interaction with other medicinal products and other forms of interaction

No interaction studies have been performed.

Concomitant administration of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 with other vaccines has not been studied (see section 5.1).

Do not mix COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 with other vaccines/products in the same syringe.

4.6 Fertility, pregnancy and lactationPregnancy

Breast-feeding

Fertility

It is unknown whether COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 has an impact on fertility.

People have a right to be cautious.

Everyone's circumstances are different. We all have reasons for making choices.

I think we all need to respect each others decision. There is no right or wrong answer. #bekindalways

So, this is the point I tried to make with my post, im just not as clever as this wonderful person

Did what I posted not make sense to you, what didn't you understand?

I'd like to help if I can.

It makes perfect sense, its what I felt, but im to lazy to do the research."

I see.

Enough said.

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By *spotpleasurerMan
over a year ago

Norwich

"You have to put the side effects in context. Any medicine, vaccine or otherwise, that is injected will have inflammation and allergy as potential side effects.

It is just your body reacting to a needle poked through it. Try it at home and see what happens! If you object, it should be to all injected medicines rather than just this vaccine.

So this vaccine is definitely as safe as any other injected medicine??"

This is how conspiracies start! I never claimed anything about the safety of this or any other vaccine. I'm just pointing out that all injected medicines have local side effects at the site of injection. Once the drug is circulating in your bloodstream, you will of course see specific side effects depending on what that drug is. In the clinical trials, the main such effect from a Covid vaccine is a mild fever which is often the case with vaccines for other diseases too.

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By *igh wide and handsome OP Man
over a year ago

Dagenham

"You have to put the side effects in context. Any medicine, vaccine or otherwise, that is injected will have inflammation and allergy as potential side effects.

It is just your body reacting to a needle poked through it. Try it at home and see what happens! If you object, it should be to all injected medicines rather than just this vaccine.

So this vaccine is definitely as safe as any other injected medicine??

Sorry, my apologies,I thought you said 'if you object to this you it should be to all injected medicine' implying that this vaccine is as safe as all injected medicine??

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over a year ago

"I'm not an anti-vaxxer but believe I am allowed to make my own decision regarding whether or not I have the vacinne.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-for-covid-19/information-for-healthcare-professionals-on-pfizerbiontech-covid-19-vaccine

It clearly states:

4.5 Interaction with other medicinal products and other forms of interaction

No interaction studies have been performed.

Concomitant administration of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 with other vaccines has not been studied (see section 5.1).

Do not mix COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 with other vaccines/products in the same syringe.

4.6 Fertility, pregnancy and lactationPregnancy

Breast-feeding

Fertility

It is unknown whether COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 has an impact on fertility.

People have a right to be cautious.

Everyone's circumstances are different. We all have reasons for making choices.

I think we all need to respect each others decision. There is no right or wrong answer. #bekindalways

So, this is the point I tried to make with my post, im just not as clever as this wonderful person

No it wasn't the point of your post. Your post pointed to a clickbait scaremongering headline and misinterpreted the same without bothering to actually read the detail and facts behind the headline. I've said it before and I'll say it again, misinformation like this should not be permitted. It's reckless and irresponsible.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The daily mail are reporting 2 health workers reporting bad reactions.

Thats me being an 'anti vaxxer' and waiting at least a year to see if any other effects come out.

Is everyone else still willing to dive in head first??"

Yes.

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire

"You have to put the side effects in context. Any medicine, vaccine or otherwise, that is injected will have inflammation and allergy as potential side effects.

It is just your body reacting to a needle poked through it. Try it at home and see what happens! If you object, it should be to all injected medicines rather than just this vaccine.

So this vaccine is definitely as safe as any other injected medicine??

Sorry, my apologies,I thought you said 'if you object to this you it should be to all injected medicine' implying that this vaccine is as safe as all injected medicine??"

That seems more like twisting what they said to suit whatever your agenda is.

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South

"You have to put the side effects in context. Any medicine, vaccine or otherwise, that is injected will have inflammation and allergy as potential side effects.

It is just your body reacting to a needle poked through it. Try it at home and see what happens! If you object, it should be to all injected medicines rather than just this vaccine.

So this vaccine is definitely as safe as any other injected medicine??

Sorry, my apologies,I thought you said 'if you object to this you it should be to all injected medicine' implying that this vaccine is as safe as all injected medicine??

That seems more like twisting what they said to suit whatever your agenda is."

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By *ab jamesMan
over a year ago

ribble valley

"The article I read said it was 2 people out of 5000 that were administered the vaccine yesterday.

It stated the current guidelines have now been updated and that anybody with severe allergies should not take the vaccine.

So thats anyone who can't have the vaccine unable to fly then according to some

As a free choice advocate, I wouldn't stop the tiny minority of people who for medical reasons don't have a choice to be vaccinated. But if its just anti-vaxxers, they get the choice still! No Jab, no flight!

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By *uadzillaMan
over a year ago

Warwickshire

Really 2 people who had a history of allergic reactions to other medications and vaccines had an allergic reaction to this one.....

PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC

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By *ab jamesMan
over a year ago

ribble valley

"Really 2 people who had a history of allergic reactions to other medications and vaccines had an allergic reaction to this one.....

PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC

That will make the anti-vaxxers panic even more!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The article I read said it was 2 people out of 5000 that were administered the vaccine yesterday.

It stated the current guidelines have now been updated and that anybody with severe allergies should not take the vaccine.

So thats anyone who can't have the vaccine unable to fly then according to some

And how would the person who can’t be vaccinated for medical reasons get to fly. I presume you think it’s ok for a person’s medical history is shared with airlines.

Also how is a person who decides they don’t want the vaccine for whatever their personal reasons any more of a threat to the other passengers than the person who can’t have it for medical reasons.

To me the answer is no and none.

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By *ab jamesMan
over a year ago

ribble valley

"The article I read said it was 2 people out of 5000 that were administered the vaccine yesterday.

It stated the current guidelines have now been updated and that anybody with severe allergies should not take the vaccine.

So thats anyone who can't have the vaccine unable to fly then according to some

And how would the person who can’t be vaccinated for medical reasons get to fly. I presume you think it’s ok for a person’s medical history is shared with airlines.

To me the answer is no and none."

As I previously stated "I wouldn't stop the tiny minority of people, who for medical reasons, don't have a choice to be vaccinated"

As nobody is asking to see someone's medical history, only whether their vaccinated, nothing else. Ultimately, its your right to not share this, but surely you accept, every decision we make in life, has consequences.

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By *uliette500Woman
over a year ago

Hull

The 2 health care workers involved were also aware they had allergies to many things. Both carried epipens and where fully aware they could possibly react to the vaccine. They chose to take the vaccine instead of risking Covid.

I suggest you get the full facts prior to scaremongering.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"I'm not an anti-vaxxer but believe I am allowed to make my own decision regarding whether or not I have the vacinne.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-for-covid-19/information-for-healthcare-professionals-on-pfizerbiontech-covid-19-vaccine

It clearly states:

4.5 Interaction with other medicinal products and other forms of interaction

No interaction studies have been performed.

Concomitant administration of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 with other vaccines has not been studied (see section 5.1).

Do not mix COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 with other vaccines/products in the same syringe.

4.6 Fertility, pregnancy and lactationPregnancy

Breast-feeding

Fertility

It is unknown whether COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 has an impact on fertility.

People have a right to be cautious.

Everyone's circumstances are different. We all have reasons for making choices.

I think we all need to respect each others decision. There is no right or wrong answer. #bekindalways"

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By *leasureMaxDanMan
over a year ago

World Wide Web

This is what another poster said a few days ago:

"The 'side effects' from the vaccines are going to be huge. Every pain, ache, mood swing and ailment will be blamed on the vaccine. The papers will be full of stories of imagined problems caused by the vaccine. Trying to sift the real from the imagined will keep the country busy all next year. Then they will be comparing side effects from one make of vaccine with another. They are opening a Pandora's box."

How right was he.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Makes no difference to me as the 2 people have a known condition that's recognised, well understood and has effective treatment. Saving lives via the vaccine is more important, as those with a recognised issue can wait a little longer - in numbers, they really are a very tiny minority, sub 1% of the population.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

All they have to do to get more uptakes is say one of the side effects in men is that it adds 2" to your cock and women lose 2 dress sizes, that should work.

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By *uadzillaMan
over a year ago

Warwickshire

"The daily mail are reporting 2 health workers reporting bad reactions.

Thats me being an 'anti vaxxer' and waiting at least a year to see if any other effects come out.

Is everyone else still willing to dive in head first??

2 people have had an allergic reaction. That's not a "bad reaction"

Thousands of people have allergic reactions every day, from everyday "things".

This is the Daily Fail at it yet again.

Stop the scaremongering OP.

Read some actual science.

Hope this helps the NHS position.

From The NHS UK website;

A coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine developed by Pfizer/BioNTech has been approved for use in the UK.

The vaccine will be made available from next week.

The vaccine has met strict standards of safety, quality and effectiveness set out by the independent Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA).

Other vaccines are being developed. They will only be available on the NHS once they have been thoroughly tested to make sure they are safe and effective.

Vaccine safety.

Vaccines will only be used if they are approved by the MHRA. The MHRA has been monitoring every stage of coronavirus vaccine development.

So far, thousands of people have been given a coronavirus vaccine and no serious side effects or complications have been reported.

Note the last paragraph.

Not an anti vaxer but the notion that because it's been "tested" "safety checks" and been assured by the MHRA I would just like to point out the EU and MHRA regulatory bodies also signed off on pandemrix (I'll let you all look that up) was given to 31 million people and it was never really published however it causes narcolepsy and people suffer dreadfully from it for the rest of their lives. This was a drug that was signed off and used as an emergency use for swine flu and it caused a lot of hurt and the government being sued. So as much as I do trust the MHRA and other regulatory bodies around the world I personally am going to hold out and see what happens. That may sound selfish but hey ho I'm not judging people who take it so I and others shouldn't be judged for not or waiting

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By *andKBCouple
over a year ago

Plymouth

When I was at school I had a friend with awful allergies. Every single vaccine she had was a risk of a reaction. So they were administered in hospital for her!!

Tbf she also once had an allergic reaction to exam papers (severe nut allergy they were coated in nut oil).

I am booked in for my vaccine Sunday (I am a care worker). Im a little anxious but not half as anxious as I have been the past 5 months every time I have a covid test!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The daily mail are reporting 2 health workers reporting bad reactions.

Thats me being an 'anti vaxxer' and waiting at least a year to see if any other effects come out.

Although I don't exactly trust government decision making myself, it wasn't the government that approved the vaccine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Here's a radical idea, how's about anyone that is not medically trained or qualified, refrain from posting stuff they actually know jack sh1t about?

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By *orwegian BlueMan
over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..

I'm allergic to the skin on hazelnuts and walnuts, I come out in a rash, my throat starts to close and I get snottier than fungus the bogeyman..

A friend is allergic to leather and her skin cracks and get really sore when it's been in contact with it.

I'm sure many of us have oddball allergies, whether mild or severe.

So why is it any stretch of the imagination that a few people will have allergic reactions to a vaccine?

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Here's a radical idea, how's about anyone that is not medically trained or qualified, refrain from posting stuff they actually know jack sh1t about?"

Then they can shut the virus forum and those couple of people can direct message each other

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Here's a radical idea, how's about anyone that is not medically trained or qualified, refrain from posting stuff they actually know jack sh1t about?

Then they can shut the virus forum and those couple of people can direct message each other

I just don't understand what kind of person posts stuff designed specifically to generate worry or fear in others, what kind of perverse, sick pleasure does it give them?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have only ever once read the notes that come with all medications, and that was for a human eye drop which the vet prescribed for one of the dogs..

As said all medications come with notes, I am pretty certain not many blokes ever bother..

I also don't ask to see the air worthiness certificate of a plane, not the MOT if on a bus and the relevant similar on a train or ferry..

Do you take out holiday insurance?

Only when I take the dogs.."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You have to put the side effects in context. Any medicine, vaccine or otherwise, that is injected will have inflammation and allergy as potential side effects.

It is just your body reacting to a needle poked through it. Try it at home and see what happens! If you object, it should be to all injected medicines rather than just this vaccine.

So this vaccine is definitely as safe as any other injected medicine??

Just to take up that very important and widely misinterpreted/ misunderstood point you raise....

"the main such effect from a Covid vaccine is a mild fever which is often the case with vaccines for other diseases too"...

The reason this happens should not be seen as a negative response to a foreign body. This is exactly what it is intended to do in order to cause your body to start attacking and reproducing antibodies to fight the foreign bodies. If your body did not respond that would be the big concern and that is nothing to do with the vaccine and all about you own bodies poor immune system.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Here's a radical idea, how's about anyone that is not medically trained or qualified, refrain from posting stuff they actually know jack sh1t about?"

I think you can still have an opinion but I agree that a lot of nonsense does get posted.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"Here's a radical idea, how's about anyone that is not medically trained or qualified, refrain from posting stuff they actually know jack sh1t about?

I think you can still have an opinion but I agree that a lot of nonsense does get posted."

From both sides.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Here's a radical idea, how's about anyone that is not medically trained or qualified, refrain from posting stuff they actually know jack sh1t about?"

Trouble is, those of us who ARE qualified in these areas get ignored and we're not able to post links to relevent scientific research or journals, but the shit stirrers CAN link to a dodgy bloke on YouTube or an article in the Daily Fail or The S*n.

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By *unCpl1234Couple
over a year ago

Odiham

"The daily mail are reporting 2 health workers reporting bad reactions.

Thats me being an 'anti vaxxer' and waiting at least a year to see if any other effects come out.

Is everyone else still willing to dive in head first??"

Mate.... you're thirty five years old. You're right at the back of the queue regardless. I don't think diving in head first is exactly an option for people like us. I would be astonished if the vaccines make it down to our age group before a year regardless.

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By *igh wide and handsome OP Man
over a year ago

Dagenham

"The daily mail are reporting 2 health workers reporting bad reactions.

Thats me being an 'anti vaxxer' and waiting at least a year to see if any other effects come out.

Is everyone else still willing to dive in head first??

So would you roll up your arm tomorrow if it were available??

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By *tarbeckCouple
over a year ago

york

"The daily mail are reporting 2 health workers reporting bad reactions.

Thats me being an 'anti vaxxer' and waiting at least a year to see if any other effects come out.

Is everyone else still willing to dive in head first??

Every single medicine and vaccine will provoke an allergic reaction in some people , have you ever read the leaflets that come with them ? "

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By *tarbeckCouple
over a year ago

york

"The daily mail are reporting 2 health workers reporting bad reactions.

Thats me being an 'anti vaxxer' and waiting at least a year to see if any other effects come out.

Is everyone else still willing to dive in head first??

So would you roll up your arm tomorrow if it were available??"
I would

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By *unCpl1234Couple
over a year ago

Odiham

I am in the car and my sleeve is already rolled up.

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By *tarbeckCouple
over a year ago

york

"I am in the car and my sleeve is already rolled up."
I will be when its my turn , my body my choice x

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"You have to put the side effects in context. Any medicine, vaccine or otherwise, that is injected will have inflammation and allergy as potential side effects.

It is just your body reacting to a needle poked through it. Try it at home and see what happens! If you object, it should be to all injected medicines rather than just this vaccine.

So this vaccine is definitely as safe as any other injected medicine??

Just to take up that very important and widely misinterpreted/ misunderstood point you raise....

"the main such effect from a Covid vaccine is a mild fever which is often the case with vaccines for other diseases too"...

Just a thought, why suddenly expecting vaccines / injections to be pain and reaction free? When we have tetanus, hep B, typhoid, German measles, bcg, et al.... Some of them bloody hurt. We don't get page one news when 3 school kids get a fever from their jabs? Or am I over simplifying?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"You have to put the side effects in context. Any medicine, vaccine or otherwise, that is injected will have inflammation and allergy as potential side effects.

It is just your body reacting to a needle poked through it. Try it at home and see what happens! If you object, it should be to all injected medicines rather than just this vaccine.

So this vaccine is definitely as safe as any other injected medicine??

Just to take up that very important and widely misinterpreted/ misunderstood point you raise....

"the main such effect from a Covid vaccine is a mild fever which is often the case with vaccines for other diseases too"...

And these 2 staff had a known condition, so it should be no surprise there was a brief issue.

Known condition. Effective treatment for it. Problem gone.

All medicines can have side effects. This vaccine is fairly good for side effects. But we're all unique, our immune systems may be better or worse than others are and our slight side effects different or not noticeable or present.

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

I think this actually harms the anti Vax/tin foil hat argument.

2 out of a thousand, and then it's been recommended those with strong allergies do not take that vaccine.

This shows a commitment to safety, and not just a desire from bill gates to get his chips into as many people as possible.

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South

"The daily mail are reporting 2 health workers reporting bad reactions.

Thats me being an 'anti vaxxer' and waiting at least a year to see if any other effects come out.

Is everyone else still willing to dive in head first??

2 people have had an allergic reaction. That's not a "bad reaction"

Thousands of people have allergic reactions every day, from everyday "things".

This is the Daily Fail at it yet again.

Stop the scaremongering OP.

Read some actual science.

Hope this helps the NHS position.

From The NHS UK website;

A coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine developed by Pfizer/BioNTech has been approved for use in the UK.

The vaccine will be made available from next week.

The vaccine has met strict standards of safety, quality and effectiveness set out by the independent Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA).

Other vaccines are being developed. They will only be available on the NHS once they have been thoroughly tested to make sure they are safe and effective.

Vaccine safety.

Vaccines will only be used if they are approved by the MHRA. The MHRA has been monitoring every stage of coronavirus vaccine development.

So far, thousands of people have been given a coronavirus vaccine and no serious side effects or complications have been reported.

Note the last paragraph.

I took your advice and looked it up. The BMJ has a great article on this, which thanks to "looking it up" as you suggested, tells the full story.

Here's the gist of it.....

The difference being, the C19 vaccine has been fully tested, approved and licenced, the Pandemrix vaccine hadn't been fully tested, only the mock up.

Comparing a vaccine that wasn't tested to one which has been fully tested, approved and licensed is a false equivalence.

You're not comparing eggs with eggs.

I hope anyone dissuaded from trusting and taking the C19 vaccine after reading your scaremongering are at least a little reassured.

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By *igh wide and handsome OP Man
over a year ago

Dagenham

The fab forum is a wonderful place. I've read that not wanting the jab compared to murder, and absolutely any opinion against the jab or any body hesitant, 'scaremongering'.

I thought swingers would have been a bit more liberal.

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South

"The fab forum is a wonderful place. I've read that not wanting the jab compared to murder, and absolutely any opinion against the jab or any body hesitant, 'scaremongering'.

I thought swingers would have been a bit more liberal."

Hesitant and apprehensive are perfectly fine and reasonable positions.

Stating untrue, factually incorrect and downright dangerous cobblers is exactly scaremongering.

Its not even a fine line.

A couple of days ago someone clearly and definitively pronounced "vaccines don't work".

Millions of people who never caught measles, mumps, smallpox, polio, chickenpox, the flu will probably disagree wholeheartedly.

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

Rather get the vaccine than reading the daily trash mail. Give me allergic reaction

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By *igh wide and handsome OP Man
over a year ago

Dagenham

"Rather get the vaccine than reading the daily trash mail. Give me allergic reaction "

You want an allergic reaction?

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire

"The fab forum is a wonderful place. I've read that not wanting the jab compared to murder, and absolutely any opinion against the jab or any body hesitant, 'scaremongering'.

I thought swingers would have been a bit more liberal.

Hesitant and apprehensive are perfectly fine and reasonable positions.

Stating untrue, factually incorrect and downright dangerous cobblers is exactly scaremongering.

Its not even a fine line.

A couple of days ago someone clearly and definitively pronounced "vaccines don't work".

Millions of people who never caught measles, mumps, smallpox, polio, chickenpox, the flu will probably disagree wholeheartedly.

And I disagree wholeheartedly with that statement I was vaccinated against mumps and measles and chickenpox and caught them .....and they weren’t mild never got chickenpox till my 30s and it was horrendous so that statement is a load of poop

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Rather get the vaccine than reading the daily trash mail. Give me allergic reaction

You want an allergic reaction?"

I suspect there's a few words missing... But could be wrong.

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

" I was vaccinated against mumps and measles and chickenpox and caught them"

Why did you have a chickenpox vaccination ? It is not given routinely in the UK

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South

"The fab forum is a wonderful place. I've read that not wanting the jab compared to murder, and absolutely any opinion against the jab or any body hesitant, 'scaremongering'.

I thought swingers would have been a bit more liberal.

Hesitant and apprehensive are perfectly fine and reasonable positions.

Stating untrue, factually incorrect and downright dangerous cobblers is exactly scaremongering.

Its not even a fine line.

A couple of days ago someone clearly and definitively pronounced "vaccines don't work".

Millions of people who never caught measles, mumps, smallpox, polio, chickenpox, the flu will probably disagree wholeheartedly.

Really? You honestly believe vaccinrs havent stopped millions of people throughout the world have caught measles, mumps, smallpox, polio, chickenpox and the flu, because you had a jab and caught one?

Yes, that makes perfect sense.

Umpteen millions of people didn't catch something, a handful of people did, therefore vaccines don't work.

Oooooooooookay.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Happy to receive the vaccine- but then I have no allergies (besides arseholes)

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By *armandwet50Couple
over a year ago

Far far away

The government and regulatory bodies have confirmed they stated that the virus was passed mainly from sneezing coughing and close contact, they now believe it is mainly passed by ar$eholes!

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By *anary57Couple
over a year ago

near lowestoft

Well I will have the vaccine as soon as I can.

The more people that refuse it, the quicker, others that want it will move up the queue.

There's no right or wrong just personal opinion.

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By *ucyAngelaTV/TS
over a year ago

Middleton

I will have the vaccine as soon as possible.

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By *uadzillaMan
over a year ago

Warwickshire

"The daily mail are reporting 2 health workers reporting bad reactions.

Thats me being an 'anti vaxxer' and waiting at least a year to see if any other effects come out.

Is everyone else still willing to dive in head first??

2 people have had an allergic reaction. That's not a "bad reaction"

Thousands of people have allergic reactions every day, from everyday "things".

This is the Daily Fail at it yet again.

Stop the scaremongering OP.

Read some actual science.

Hope this helps the NHS position.

From The NHS UK website;

A coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine developed by Pfizer/BioNTech has been approved for use in the UK.

The vaccine will be made available from next week.

The vaccine has met strict standards of safety, quality and effectiveness set out by the independent Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA).

Other vaccines are being developed. They will only be available on the NHS once they have been thoroughly tested to make sure they are safe and effective.

Vaccine safety.

Vaccines will only be used if they are approved by the MHRA. The MHRA has been monitoring every stage of coronavirus vaccine development.

So far, thousands of people have been given a coronavirus vaccine and no serious side effects or complications have been reported.

Note the last paragraph.

I took your advice and looked it up. The BMJ has a great article on this, which thanks to "looking it up" as you suggested, tells the full story.

Here's the gist of it.....

The difference being, the C19 vaccine has been fully tested, approved and licenced, the Pandemrix vaccine hadn't been fully tested, only the mock up.

Comparing a vaccine that wasn't tested to one which has been fully tested, approved and licensed is a false equivalence.

You're not comparing eggs with eggs.

I hope anyone dissuaded from trusting and taking the C19 vaccine after reading your scaremongering are at least a little reassured.

Pmsl this has made my day it really has thank you so much.

You say "The difference being, the C19 vaccine has been fully tested, approved and licenced, the Pandemrix vaccine hadn't been fully tested, only the mock up.

Comparing a vaccine that wasn't tested to one which has been fully tested, approved and licensed is a false equivalence.

So funny so our government decided to STILL inject that drug into millions of people despite it never being approved, licenced or fully tested!!

Please note I'm NOT scaremongering just because I have an opinion.

Apparently on this forum it's wrong to have a different of opinion or to ask questions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm totally allergic to penicillin, it would kill me but doesn't mean other people can't or shouldn't have it!! Surely common sense should prevail ...

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"I'm totally allergic to penicillin, it would kill me but doesn't mean other people can't or shouldn't have it!! Surely common sense should prevail ... "

Ah common sense, that extremely uncommon commodity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm totally allergic to penicillin, it would kill me but doesn't mean other people can't or shouldn't have it!! Surely common sense should prevail ...

Ah common sense, that extremely uncommon commodity."

Isn't it just!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The fab forum is a wonderful place. I've read that not wanting the jab compared to murder, and absolutely any opinion against the jab or any body hesitant, 'scaremongering'.

I thought swingers would have been a bit more liberal.

Hesitant and apprehensive are perfectly fine and reasonable positions.

Stating untrue, factually incorrect and downright dangerous cobblers is exactly scaremongering.

Its not even a fine line.

A couple of days ago someone clearly and definitively pronounced "vaccines don't work".

Millions of people who never caught measles, mumps, smallpox, polio, chickenpox, the flu will probably disagree wholeheartedly.

If you were vaccinated against all those things and still caught them is there a possibility that for some reason vaccinations don't work for you? Because if you did genuinely have all of these despite being vaccinated you are the exception rather than the rule. Incidentally...a chickenpox vaccination? I wasn't aware this was routinely given at any point

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire

I sure did catch them and I sure was vaccinated !!!

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South

"The daily mail are reporting 2 health workers reporting bad reactions.

Thats me being an 'anti vaxxer' and waiting at least a year to see if any other effects come out.

Is everyone else still willing to dive in head first??

2 people have had an allergic reaction. That's not a "bad reaction"

Thousands of people have allergic reactions every day, from everyday "things".

This is the Daily Fail at it yet again.

Stop the scaremongering OP.

Read some actual science.

Hope this helps the NHS position.

From The NHS UK website;

A coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine developed by Pfizer/BioNTech has been approved for use in the UK.

The vaccine will be made available from next week.

The vaccine has met strict standards of safety, quality and effectiveness set out by the independent Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA).

Other vaccines are being developed. They will only be available on the NHS once they have been thoroughly tested to make sure they are safe and effective.

Vaccine safety.

Vaccines will only be used if they are approved by the MHRA. The MHRA has been monitoring every stage of coronavirus vaccine development.

So far, thousands of people have been given a coronavirus vaccine and no serious side effects or complications have been reported.

Note the last paragraph.

I took your advice and looked it up. The BMJ has a great article on this, which thanks to "looking it up" as you suggested, tells the full story.

Here's the gist of it.....

The difference being, the C19 vaccine has been fully tested, approved and licenced, the Pandemrix vaccine hadn't been fully tested, only the mock up.

Comparing a vaccine that wasn't tested to one which has been fully tested, approved and licensed is a false equivalence.

You're not comparing eggs with eggs.

I hope anyone dissuaded from trusting and taking the C19 vaccine after reading your scaremongering are at least a little reassured.

Pmsl this has made my day it really has thank you so much.

You say "The difference being, the C19 vaccine has been fully tested, approved and licenced, the Pandemrix vaccine hadn't been fully tested, only the mock up.

Comparing a vaccine that wasn't tested to one which has been fully tested, approved and licensed is a false equivalence.

So funny so our government decided to STILL inject that drug into millions of people despite it never being approved, licenced or fully tested!!

Please note I'm NOT scaremongering just because I have an opinion.

Apparently on this forum it's wrong to have a different of opinion or to ask questions.

I think you missed my point.

The Pandemrix vaccine wasn't approved by the MHRA, whereas the C19 vaccine has been.

Because the Pandemrix vaccine wasn't approved by the MHRA is no reason to not take the C19 vaccine, which is what you were implying.

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By *uadzillaMan
over a year ago

Warwickshire

"The daily mail are reporting 2 health workers reporting bad reactions.

Thats me being an 'anti vaxxer' and waiting at least a year to see if any other effects come out.

Is everyone else still willing to dive in head first??

2 people have had an allergic reaction. That's not a "bad reaction"

Thousands of people have allergic reactions every day, from everyday "things".

This is the Daily Fail at it yet again.

Stop the scaremongering OP.

Read some actual science.

Hope this helps the NHS position.

From The NHS UK website;

A coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine developed by Pfizer/BioNTech has been approved for use in the UK.

The vaccine will be made available from next week.

The vaccine has met strict standards of safety, quality and effectiveness set out by the independent Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA).

Other vaccines are being developed. They will only be available on the NHS once they have been thoroughly tested to make sure they are safe and effective.

Vaccine safety.

Vaccines will only be used if they are approved by the MHRA. The MHRA has been monitoring every stage of coronavirus vaccine development.

So far, thousands of people have been given a coronavirus vaccine and no serious side effects or complications have been reported.

Note the last paragraph.

I took your advice and looked it up. The BMJ has a great article on this, which thanks to "looking it up" as you suggested, tells the full story.

Here's the gist of it.....

The difference being, the C19 vaccine has been fully tested, approved and licenced, the Pandemrix vaccine hadn't been fully tested, only the mock up.

Comparing a vaccine that wasn't tested to one which has been fully tested, approved and licensed is a false equivalence.

You're not comparing eggs with eggs.

I hope anyone dissuaded from trusting and taking the C19 vaccine after reading your scaremongering are at least a little reassured.

Pmsl this has made my day it really has thank you so much.

You say "The difference being, the C19 vaccine has been fully tested, approved and licenced, the Pandemrix vaccine hadn't been fully tested, only the mock up.

Comparing a vaccine that wasn't tested to one which has been fully tested, approved and licensed is a false equivalence.

So funny so our government decided to STILL inject that drug into millions of people despite it never being approved, licenced or fully tested!!

Please note I'm NOT scaremongering just because I have an opinion.

Apparently on this forum it's wrong to have a different of opinion or to ask questions.

I think you missed my point.

The Pandemrix vaccine wasn't approved by the MHRA, whereas the C19 vaccine has been.

Because the Pandemrix vaccine wasn't approved by the MHRA is no reason to not take the C19 vaccine, which is what you were implying.

It may not have been approved by the MHRA but it was passed by the EU regulatory body and because we were in the EU we didn't have to approve it, so the argument that this has been approved by our regulatory body means nothing. I'm not say people shouldn't have it, all I am saying is look at everything and make your own decision, it's a freedom of choice but and I'm not saying you but some on here really do dislike people who ask questions. I posted recently and got a barrage of abuse on private message and it's not on it really isn't. I'm not right and neither are people who think differently to me.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"The daily mail are reporting 2 health workers reporting bad reactions.

Thats me being an 'anti vaxxer' and waiting at least a year to see if any other effects come out.

Is everyone else still willing to dive in head first??

2 people have had an allergic reaction. That's not a "bad reaction"

Thousands of people have allergic reactions every day, from everyday "things".

This is the Daily Fail at it yet again.

Stop the scaremongering OP.

Read some actual science.

Hope this helps the NHS position.

From The NHS UK website;

A coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine developed by Pfizer/BioNTech has been approved for use in the UK.

The vaccine will be made available from next week.

The vaccine has met strict standards of safety, quality and effectiveness set out by the independent Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA).

Other vaccines are being developed. They will only be available on the NHS once they have been thoroughly tested to make sure they are safe and effective.

Vaccine safety.

Vaccines will only be used if they are approved by the MHRA. The MHRA has been monitoring every stage of coronavirus vaccine development.

So far, thousands of people have been given a coronavirus vaccine and no serious side effects or complications have been reported.

Note the last paragraph.

I took your advice and looked it up. The BMJ has a great article on this, which thanks to "looking it up" as you suggested, tells the full story.

Here's the gist of it.....

The difference being, the C19 vaccine has been fully tested, approved and licenced, the Pandemrix vaccine hadn't been fully tested, only the mock up.

Comparing a vaccine that wasn't tested to one which has been fully tested, approved and licensed is a false equivalence.

You're not comparing eggs with eggs.

I hope anyone dissuaded from trusting and taking the C19 vaccine after reading your scaremongering are at least a little reassured.

Pmsl this has made my day it really has thank you so much.

You say "The difference being, the C19 vaccine has been fully tested, approved and licenced, the Pandemrix vaccine hadn't been fully tested, only the mock up.

Comparing a vaccine that wasn't tested to one which has been fully tested, approved and licensed is a false equivalence.

So funny so our government decided to STILL inject that drug into millions of people despite it never being approved, licenced or fully tested!!

Please note I'm NOT scaremongering just because I have an opinion.

Apparently on this forum it's wrong to have a different of opinion or to ask questions.

I think you missed my point.

The Pandemrix vaccine wasn't approved by the MHRA, whereas the C19 vaccine has been.

Because the Pandemrix vaccine wasn't approved by the MHRA is no reason to not take the C19 vaccine, which is what you were implying.

You're right, nobody should be getting bullied or abused. We're allowed differing opinions.

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By *lamourpussyCouple
over a year ago

Warwick

"If it was a really good one ,america would have grabbed it,we are lab rats testing it

I believe the FDA have now approved it.

Must be a good one after all.

The fda also approved thalidomide and look what a ongoing shit show that turned out to be "

No they didn’t. The FDA opposed the introduction of thalidomide in the US. Despite that the thalidomide tragedy provided the impetus for much stricter control over new drugs and vaccines in a lot of countries and funding for organisations like the FDA and MHRA was increased significantly.

On another point the thalidomide tragedy took place in the early 1960s. I don’t know if you have noticed but things have moved on a bit since then!

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South

"The daily mail are reporting 2 health workers reporting bad reactions.

Thats me being an 'anti vaxxer' and waiting at least a year to see if any other effects come out.

Is everyone else still willing to dive in head first??

2 people have had an allergic reaction. That's not a "bad reaction"

Thousands of people have allergic reactions every day, from everyday "things".

This is the Daily Fail at it yet again.

Stop the scaremongering OP.

Read some actual science.

Hope this helps the NHS position.

From The NHS UK website;

A coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine developed by Pfizer/BioNTech has been approved for use in the UK.

The vaccine will be made available from next week.

The vaccine has met strict standards of safety, quality and effectiveness set out by the independent Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA).

Other vaccines are being developed. They will only be available on the NHS once they have been thoroughly tested to make sure they are safe and effective.

Vaccine safety.

Vaccines will only be used if they are approved by the MHRA. The MHRA has been monitoring every stage of coronavirus vaccine development.

So far, thousands of people have been given a coronavirus vaccine and no serious side effects or complications have been reported.

Note the last paragraph.

I took your advice and looked it up. The BMJ has a great article on this, which thanks to "looking it up" as you suggested, tells the full story.

Here's the gist of it.....

The difference being, the C19 vaccine has been fully tested, approved and licenced, the Pandemrix vaccine hadn't been fully tested, only the mock up.

Comparing a vaccine that wasn't tested to one which has been fully tested, approved and licensed is a false equivalence.

You're not comparing eggs with eggs.

I hope anyone dissuaded from trusting and taking the C19 vaccine after reading your scaremongering are at least a little reassured.

Pmsl this has made my day it really has thank you so much.

You say "The difference being, the C19 vaccine has been fully tested, approved and licenced, the Pandemrix vaccine hadn't been fully tested, only the mock up.

Comparing a vaccine that wasn't tested to one which has been fully tested, approved and licensed is a false equivalence.

So funny so our government decided to STILL inject that drug into millions of people despite it never being approved, licenced or fully tested!!

Please note I'm NOT scaremongering just because I have an opinion.

Apparently on this forum it's wrong to have a different of opinion or to ask questions.

I think you missed my point.

The Pandemrix vaccine wasn't approved by the MHRA, whereas the C19 vaccine has been.

Because the Pandemrix vaccine wasn't approved by the MHRA is no reason to not take the C19 vaccine, which is what you were implying.

We are absolutely allowed different opinions.

We are exchanging views and our research in a civil manner, we may not agree, we may see differing views, but neither of us has resorted to abuse of each other.

The good thing about cordial discussions like ours is it gives other people the opportunity to see both sides of a discussion.

We may not agree thus far, one thing I'm very sure we will agree on, personal abuse and private messages of abuse are unacceptable.

Please do as we do, and report the offenders. They are cowards.

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By *LIRTWITHUSCouple
over a year ago

Chester

We are all different and react different to drugs, I can't take the gold standard prescribed by consultant had severe reaction day one had to stop, now waiting on next step. Anaphylaxic have said anyone carrying epipen not to have the cov jab so that's our son out. Fi

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nowadays we are all exposed to our news, current affairs and knowledge from a variety of sources and in the main that is a good thing. Well informed people reach a balanced view in that way. Unfortunately social media has provided a platform for what is essentially fake news and conspiracy theories for lazy people who aren't well informed and lack the intellect to make themselves so but who also seem to get some form of twisted satisfaction from spreading unsubstantiated nonsense

So basically if you haven't taken real time and energy to properly evaluate the pros and cons of something then with all due respect shut the fuck up because you are arming the ignorant even further.

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By *uadzillaMan
over a year ago

Warwickshire

"The daily mail are reporting 2 health workers reporting bad reactions.

Thats me being an 'anti vaxxer' and waiting at least a year to see if any other effects come out.

Is everyone else still willing to dive in head first??

2 people have had an allergic reaction. That's not a "bad reaction"

Thousands of people have allergic reactions every day, from everyday "things".

This is the Daily Fail at it yet again.

Stop the scaremongering OP.

Read some actual science.

Hope this helps the NHS position.

From The NHS UK website;

A coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine developed by Pfizer/BioNTech has been approved for use in the UK.

The vaccine will be made available from next week.

The vaccine has met strict standards of safety, quality and effectiveness set out by the independent Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA).

Other vaccines are being developed. They will only be available on the NHS once they have been thoroughly tested to make sure they are safe and effective.

Vaccine safety.

Vaccines will only be used if they are approved by the MHRA. The MHRA has been monitoring every stage of coronavirus vaccine development.

So far, thousands of people have been given a coronavirus vaccine and no serious side effects or complications have been reported.

Note the last paragraph.

I took your advice and looked it up. The BMJ has a great article on this, which thanks to "looking it up" as you suggested, tells the full story.

Here's the gist of it.....

The difference being, the C19 vaccine has been fully tested, approved and licenced, the Pandemrix vaccine hadn't been fully tested, only the mock up.

Comparing a vaccine that wasn't tested to one which has been fully tested, approved and licensed is a false equivalence.

You're not comparing eggs with eggs.

I hope anyone dissuaded from trusting and taking the C19 vaccine after reading your scaremongering are at least a little reassured.

Pmsl this has made my day it really has thank you so much.

You say "The difference being, the C19 vaccine has been fully tested, approved and licenced, the Pandemrix vaccine hadn't been fully tested, only the mock up.

Comparing a vaccine that wasn't tested to one which has been fully tested, approved and licensed is a false equivalence.

So funny so our government decided to STILL inject that drug into millions of people despite it never being approved, licenced or fully tested!!

Please note I'm NOT scaremongering just because I have an opinion.

Apparently on this forum it's wrong to have a different of opinion or to ask questions.

I think you missed my point.

The Pandemrix vaccine wasn't approved by the MHRA, whereas the C19 vaccine has been.

Because the Pandemrix vaccine wasn't approved by the MHRA is no reason to not take the C19 vaccine, which is what you were implying.

We are absolutely allowed different opinions.

We are exchanging views and our research in a civil manner, we may not agree, we may see differing views, but neither of us has resorted to abuse of each other.

The good thing about cordial discussions like ours is it gives other people the opportunity to see both sides of a discussion.

We may not agree thus far, one thing I'm very sure we will agree on, personal abuse and private messages of abuse are unacceptable.

Please do as we do, and report the offenders. They are cowards.

100% completely agree on this, I do agree with loads of stuff you have put on this thread and others, I love a good discussion and ours has been as you said a cordial one. I will say I hope you stay safe in the coming months and I hope we can have other discussions in the future. As for the cowards I have but I'd love to be able to screen snap it and name and shame. Take there

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South

"The daily mail are reporting 2 health workers reporting bad reactions.

Thats me being an 'anti vaxxer' and waiting at least a year to see if any other effects come out.

Is everyone else still willing to dive in head first??

2 people have had an allergic reaction. That's not a "bad reaction"

Thousands of people have allergic reactions every day, from everyday "things".

This is the Daily Fail at it yet again.

Stop the scaremongering OP.

Read some actual science.

Hope this helps the NHS position.

From The NHS UK website;

A coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine developed by Pfizer/BioNTech has been approved for use in the UK.

The vaccine will be made available from next week.

The vaccine has met strict standards of safety, quality and effectiveness set out by the independent Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA).

Other vaccines are being developed. They will only be available on the NHS once they have been thoroughly tested to make sure they are safe and effective.

Vaccine safety.

Vaccines will only be used if they are approved by the MHRA. The MHRA has been monitoring every stage of coronavirus vaccine development.

So far, thousands of people have been given a coronavirus vaccine and no serious side effects or complications have been reported.

Note the last paragraph.

I took your advice and looked it up. The BMJ has a great article on this, which thanks to "looking it up" as you suggested, tells the full story.

Here's the gist of it.....

The difference being, the C19 vaccine has been fully tested, approved and licenced, the Pandemrix vaccine hadn't been fully tested, only the mock up.

Comparing a vaccine that wasn't tested to one which has been fully tested, approved and licensed is a false equivalence.

You're not comparing eggs with eggs.

I hope anyone dissuaded from trusting and taking the C19 vaccine after reading your scaremongering are at least a little reassured.

Pmsl this has made my day it really has thank you so much.

You say "The difference being, the C19 vaccine has been fully tested, approved and licenced, the Pandemrix vaccine hadn't been fully tested, only the mock up.

Comparing a vaccine that wasn't tested to one which has been fully tested, approved and licensed is a false equivalence.

So funny so our government decided to STILL inject that drug into millions of people despite it never being approved, licenced or fully tested!!

Please note I'm NOT scaremongering just because I have an opinion.

Apparently on this forum it's wrong to have a different of opinion or to ask questions.

I think you missed my point.

The Pandemrix vaccine wasn't approved by the MHRA, whereas the C19 vaccine has been.

Because the Pandemrix vaccine wasn't approved by the MHRA is no reason to not take the C19 vaccine, which is what you were implying.

We are absolutely allowed different opinions.

We are exchanging views and our research in a civil manner, we may not agree, we may see differing views, but neither of us has resorted to abuse of each other.

The good thing about cordial discussions like ours is it gives other people the opportunity to see both sides of a discussion.

We may not agree thus far, one thing I'm very sure we will agree on, personal abuse and private messages of abuse are unacceptable.

Please do as we do, and report the offenders. They are cowards.

Ditto.

An open mind is always a benefit. I've learnt more from disagreeing with people than I ever did from agreeing.

Take care, keep yourself safe.

I don't mind the abuse, it helps me filter out the undesirables.

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By *uadzillaMan
over a year ago

Warwickshire

"The daily mail are reporting 2 health workers reporting bad reactions.

Thats me being an 'anti vaxxer' and waiting at least a year to see if any other effects come out.

Is everyone else still willing to dive in head first??

2 people have had an allergic reaction. That's not a "bad reaction"

Thousands of people have allergic reactions every day, from everyday "things".

This is the Daily Fail at it yet again.

Stop the scaremongering OP.

Read some actual science.

Hope this helps the NHS position.

From The NHS UK website;

A coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine developed by Pfizer/BioNTech has been approved for use in the UK.

The vaccine will be made available from next week.

The vaccine has met strict standards of safety, quality and effectiveness set out by the independent Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA).

Other vaccines are being developed. They will only be available on the NHS once they have been thoroughly tested to make sure they are safe and effective.

Vaccine safety.

Vaccines will only be used if they are approved by the MHRA. The MHRA has been monitoring every stage of coronavirus vaccine development.

So far, thousands of people have been given a coronavirus vaccine and no serious side effects or complications have been reported.

Note the last paragraph.

I took your advice and looked it up. The BMJ has a great article on this, which thanks to "looking it up" as you suggested, tells the full story.

Here's the gist of it.....

The difference being, the C19 vaccine has been fully tested, approved and licenced, the Pandemrix vaccine hadn't been fully tested, only the mock up.

Comparing a vaccine that wasn't tested to one which has been fully tested, approved and licensed is a false equivalence.

You're not comparing eggs with eggs.

I hope anyone dissuaded from trusting and taking the C19 vaccine after reading your scaremongering are at least a little reassured.

Pmsl this has made my day it really has thank you so much.

You say "The difference being, the C19 vaccine has been fully tested, approved and licenced, the Pandemrix vaccine hadn't been fully tested, only the mock up.

Comparing a vaccine that wasn't tested to one which has been fully tested, approved and licensed is a false equivalence.

So funny so our government decided to STILL inject that drug into millions of people despite it never being approved, licenced or fully tested!!

Please note I'm NOT scaremongering just because I have an opinion.

Apparently on this forum it's wrong to have a different of opinion or to ask questions.

I think you missed my point.

The Pandemrix vaccine wasn't approved by the MHRA, whereas the C19 vaccine has been.

Because the Pandemrix vaccine wasn't approved by the MHRA is no reason to not take the C19 vaccine, which is what you were implying.

We are absolutely allowed different opinions.

We are exchanging views and our research in a civil manner, we may not agree, we may see differing views, but neither of us has resorted to abuse of each other.

The good thing about cordial discussions like ours is it gives other people the opportunity to see both sides of a discussion.

We may not agree thus far, one thing I'm very sure we will agree on, personal abuse and private messages of abuse are unacceptable.

Please do as we do, and report the offenders. They are cowards.

Ditto.

An open mind is always a benefit. I've learnt more from disagreeing with people than I ever did from agreeing.

Take care, keep yourself safe.

I don't mind the abuse, it helps me filter out the undesirables.

You know what you're right about the undesirables

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By *arakiss12TV/TS
over a year ago

Bedford

Alot of back tracking from a few days ago when it was full steam ahead. Media were pumping it. Anyone who had doubts was labeled a nut job on LBC.

Now pregnant women are not going to receive it. Allergy effected people now can't have it. Ping pong between elderly and front line workers receiving it.

It's not giving me much confidence.

I'm not receiving it due to allergy.

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By *edfleetMan
over a year ago

covent garden

The development at speed is a result of global focus, money and managing time delay

Most vaccines are slow in development because of the constant chasing for funding and the lack of 1st world appetite to implement them

If you read the details on how the vaccine has been created and tested this may give you confidence that the corners that have been cut, have been cut in a managed way

An informed decision is important when taking any vaccine or drug but can I respectfully suggest that decisions are based on true and assessed data and not hearsay or media hype

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By *irty_DeedsMan
over a year ago

Teesside

"If a 90 year old woman has the buts to go for it then so shoukd you.

If yih do t want to take it dibt. Ut also do t ducking whine when.yih cant do what you want.

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Yes but a 90 year old with a likelyhood of having serious underlying conditions and quite frankly not lots of time left on this earth in a best case scenario isn't really a fair comparison to a perfectly healthy 30(ish) year old who has little chance of dying from covid.

As for not doing what you want, the vaccine hasn't been proven to 100% stop you spreading it so it's not going to suddenly be this magic bullet where those who take the vaccine are suddenly free to do as they please.

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