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"How would your sex life and behaviour change, if all swinging services, sites, clubs etc, only allowed vaccinated or officially exempt, to engage with others? " No | |||
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"How would your sex life and behaviour change, if all swinging services, sites, clubs etc, only allowed vaccinated or officially exempt, to engage with others? No" No change? | |||
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"I would be fine about it, we have to remember that it is not transmitted sexually tho." It wouldnt change anything. | |||
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"I would be fine about it, we have to remember that it is not transmitted sexually tho." It is spread by being in close proximity to others though.... so that kind of limits your alternative sexual options... | |||
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"I would be fine about it, we have to remember that it is not transmitted sexually tho." Bit hard to have sex with someone without breathing within 6 feet of them | |||
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"I would be fine about it, we have to remember that it is not transmitted sexually tho." It is transmitted through close contact. Unless you can have a sexual encounter socially distancing. I'm sure they'll be someone on here who will argue that point,lol. | |||
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"I would be fine about it, we have to remember that it is not transmitted sexually tho. It is spread by being in close proximity to others though.... so that kind of limits your alternative sexual options..." Yes it would. I wonder if that is the next thing we will hear on the news that noone should have sex anymore? | |||
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"I would be fine about it, we have to remember that it is not transmitted sexually tho. It is spread by being in close proximity to others though.... so that kind of limits your alternative sexual options...Yes it would. I wonder if that is the next thing we will hear on the news that noone should have sex anymore?" I've already had a vax, for a sexual disease. It all helps me play safer. I'm looking forward to the covid vaccines, getting back to the new normal. I'll still be trying to keep safe and avoid meeting unvaccinated folk. | |||
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"I would be fine about it, we have to remember that it is not transmitted sexually tho. Bit hard to have sex with someone without breathing within 6 feet of them" You met my ex wife? | |||
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"How would your sex life and behaviour change, if all swinging services, sites, clubs etc, only allowed vaccinated or officially exempt, to engage with others? " It won't. | |||
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"I would be fine about it, we have to remember that it is not transmitted sexually tho." Bodily fluids contain the virus and being physically close to others can spread the virus. | |||
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"I would be fine about it, we have to remember that it is not transmitted sexually tho. Bodily fluids contain the virus and being physically close to others can spread the virus. " Not unless he's got a 2 metre cock | |||
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"I would be fine about it, we have to remember that it is not transmitted sexually tho. Bodily fluids contain the virus and being physically close to others can spread the virus. Not unless he's got a 2 metre cock " I can confirm that Shag's famous l cock is a wonderful specimen but it's not 2m in length. Plus people would need to keep 2m from the end of his cock. | |||
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"I would be fine about it, we have to remember that it is not transmitted sexually tho. Bodily fluids contain the virus and being physically close to others can spread the virus. Not unless he's got a 2 metre cock I can confirm that Shag's famous l cock is a wonderful specimen but it's not 2m in length. Plus people would need to keep 2m from the end of his cock. " Thanks for that I was just about to put a call in to Guinness book of World records | |||
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"I would be fine about it, we have to remember that it is not transmitted sexually tho. Bodily fluids contain the virus and being physically close to others can spread the virus. Not unless he's got a 2 metre cock I can confirm that Shag's famous l cock is a wonderful specimen but it's not 2m in length. Plus people would need to keep 2m from the end of his cock. Thanks for that I was just about to put a call in to Guinness book of World records " He would have got even more famous on Big Brother, as it would have been caught on camera. Sadly it got cancelled, before he got to go in. | |||
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"I would be fine about it, we have to remember that it is not transmitted sexually tho. Bodily fluids contain the virus and being physically close to others can spread the virus. Not unless he's got a 2 metre cock I can confirm that Shag's famous l cock is a wonderful specimen but it's not 2m in length. Plus people would need to keep 2m from the end of his cock. Thanks for that I was just about to put a call in to Guinness book of World records He would have got even more famous on Big Brother, as it would have been caught on camera. Sadly it got cancelled, before he got to go in. " Who? | |||
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"I would be fine about it, we have to remember that it is not transmitted sexually tho. Bodily fluids contain the virus and being physically close to others can spread the virus. Not unless he's got a 2 metre cock I can confirm that Shag's famous l cock is a wonderful specimen but it's not 2m in length. Plus people would need to keep 2m from the end of his cock. Thanks for that I was just about to put a call in to Guinness book of World records He would have got even more famous on Big Brother, as it would have been caught on camera. Sadly it got cancelled, before he got to go in. Who?" But one thing that I dont get is why people on dating sites cant meet for sex but everyday people have it, shouldnt there then be a world ban of sex so noone can have it? | |||
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"We wont be vaccinated but judging by the amount of offers we have had to meet over the last few months I doubt we will be short of playmates......." Exactly!! On a daily basis here x | |||
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"How would your sex life and behaviour change, if all swinging services, sites, clubs etc, only allowed vaccinated or officially exempt, to engage with others? No No change? " No change, we wouldn't be in a club until and if we get vaccinated anyway. Unless we get playa del ingles in which case everyone in the club will have tested negative and the risk is much lower ... We'll see how that pans out. | |||
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"We wont be vaccinated but judging by the amount of offers we have had to meet over the last few months I doubt we will be short of playmates......." I think you will find a lot of those offers will disappear when they find out...or will you just not bother telling them? | |||
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"We wont be vaccinated but judging by the amount of offers we have had to meet over the last few months I doubt we will be short of playmates....... I think you will find a lot of those offers will disappear when they find out...or will you just not bother telling them?" If they willing to meet now in the middle of all this think u find they wont give a flying fk lol x | |||
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"I would be fine about it, we have to remember that it is not transmitted sexually tho. Bodily fluids contain the virus and being physically close to others can spread the virus. Not unless he's got a 2 metre cock I can confirm that Shag's famous l cock is a wonderful specimen but it's not 2m in length. Plus people would need to keep 2m from the end of his cock. Thanks for that I was just about to put a call in to Guinness book of World records He would have got even more famous on Big Brother, as it would have been caught on camera. Sadly it got cancelled, before he got to go in. Who?" Shag | |||
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"We wont be vaccinated but judging by the amount of offers we have had to meet over the last few months I doubt we will be short of playmates......." And if all swinging services, ie clubs, websites etc only permit engagement between those who are vaccinated, as OP details? | |||
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"I would be fine about it, we have to remember that it is not transmitted sexually tho. Bodily fluids contain the virus and being physically close to others can spread the virus. Not unless he's got a 2 metre cock I can confirm that Shag's famous l cock is a wonderful specimen but it's not 2m in length. Plus people would need to keep 2m from the end of his cock. Thanks for that I was just about to put a call in to Guinness book of World records He would have got even more famous on Big Brother, as it would have been caught on camera. Sadly it got cancelled, before he got to go in. Who? Shag " Xxx | |||
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"We wont be vaccinated but judging by the amount of offers we have had to meet over the last few months I doubt we will be short of playmates....... I think you will find a lot of those offers will disappear when they find out...or will you just not bother telling them?" Not a single one of them thats asked us for a meet since March (and we have had a lot) have cared less about the covid risks or any lock downs. What makes you think they are going to check if we have been vaccinated? | |||
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"I would be fine about it, we have to remember that it is not transmitted sexually tho. Bodily fluids contain the virus and being physically close to others can spread the virus. Not unless he's got a 2 metre cock I can confirm that Shag's famous l cock is a wonderful specimen but it's not 2m in length. Plus people would need to keep 2m from the end of his cock. Thanks for that I was just about to put a call in to Guinness book of World records He would have got even more famous on Big Brother, as it would have been caught on camera. Sadly it got cancelled, before he got to go in. Who? Shag Xxx" Yes I would of been even more famous and yes, is a shame it got cancelled before I could go in there, maibe it will come back in the future, lets so | |||
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"I would be fine about it, we have to remember that it is not transmitted sexually tho. Bodily fluids contain the virus and being physically close to others can spread the virus. Not unless he's got a 2 metre cock I can confirm that Shag's famous l cock is a wonderful specimen but it's not 2m in length. Plus people would need to keep 2m from the end of his cock. Thanks for that I was just about to put a call in to Guinness book of World records He would have got even more famous on Big Brother, as it would have been caught on camera. Sadly it got cancelled, before he got to go in. Who? Shag XxxYes I would of been even more famous and yes, is a shame it got cancelled before I could go in there, maibe it will come back in the future, lets so " Did you audition to go on there | |||
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"We will not shsg anyone if you have been vaccinated ,, so won't go to clubs but saying that there will be underground ones xx " Are these the places that spread disease, like Hiv, around? | |||
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"Are we going to get issued with a certificate of proof when we have the vaccination lol" It goes on your medical records, so piece of cake to make a digital certificate available | |||
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"And just to prove a point we have had 4 requests to meet since I put the last post on this thread!!" I belive u get them everyday every other message ask to meet today x | |||
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"And just to prove a point we have had 4 requests to meet since I put the last post on this thread!!" Arseholes have been asking to meet all the way through - only 4 a day? That’s not many at all .... they must be slacking | |||
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"... so surely if you’re vaccinated then an unvaccinated person is the one at risk? So an unvaccinated person is actually reaping all the benefits of the vaccination without any personal risk - bloody selfish if you ask me. So some kind of consequences should be involved I think - people letting others take all the risk while they also benefit ... idiots. " Wow! x | |||
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"... so surely if you’re vaccinated then an unvaccinated person is the one at risk? So an unvaccinated person is actually reaping all the benefits of the vaccination without any personal risk - bloody selfish if you ask me. So some kind of consequences should be involved I think - people letting others take all the risk while they also benefit ... idiots. Wow! x" Why wow? People who choose for others to take the risk on behalf of society are selfish. Are you disputing that fact? Unless there is a valid medical reason for not vaccinating why decline it? It’s for the good of society and we as healthy adults can protect those weaker and more vulnerable by being vaccinated ... anti vaxxers have the right to refuse but if they don’t want to help protect society why should they reap the benefits of it? | |||
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"... so surely if you’re vaccinated then an unvaccinated person is the one at risk? So an unvaccinated person is actually reaping all the benefits of the vaccination without any personal risk - bloody selfish if you ask me. So some kind of consequences should be involved I think - people letting others take all the risk while they also benefit ... idiots. Wow! x Why wow? People who choose for others to take the risk on behalf of society are selfish. Are you disputing that fact? Unless there is a valid medical reason for not vaccinating why decline it? It’s for the good of society and we as healthy adults can protect those weaker and more vulnerable by being vaccinated ... anti vaxxers have the right to refuse but if they don’t want to help protect society why should they reap the benefits of it? " I'm not anti vax just not having this one x | |||
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"How would your sex life and behaviour change, if all swinging services, sites, clubs etc, only allowed vaccinated or officially exempt, to engage with others? No" that doesnt make sense? care to clarify? | |||
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"... so surely if you’re vaccinated then an unvaccinated person is the one at risk? So an unvaccinated person is actually reaping all the benefits of the vaccination without any personal risk - bloody selfish if you ask me. So some kind of consequences should be involved I think - people letting others take all the risk while they also benefit ... idiots. Wow! x Why wow? People who choose for others to take the risk on behalf of society are selfish. Are you disputing that fact? Unless there is a valid medical reason for not vaccinating why decline it? It’s for the good of society and we as healthy adults can protect those weaker and more vulnerable by being vaccinated ... anti vaxxers have the right to refuse but if they don’t want to help protect society why should they reap the benefits of it? I'm not anti vax just not having this one x" Then there needs to be a consequence attached to your choice - to return to pre covid we all have to do our bit. You’re choosing not to | |||
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"... so surely if you’re vaccinated then an unvaccinated person is the one at risk? So an unvaccinated person is actually reaping all the benefits of the vaccination without any personal risk - bloody selfish if you ask me. So some kind of consequences should be involved I think - people letting others take all the risk while they also benefit ... idiots. Wow! x Why wow? People who choose for others to take the risk on behalf of society are selfish. Are you disputing that fact? Unless there is a valid medical reason for not vaccinating why decline it? It’s for the good of society and we as healthy adults can protect those weaker and more vulnerable by being vaccinated ... anti vaxxers have the right to refuse but if they don’t want to help protect society why should they reap the benefits of it? I'm not anti vax just not having this one x Then there needs to be a consequence attached to your choice - to return to pre covid we all have to do our bit. You’re choosing not to " Yes I do I wear my mask I dont meet anyone except at work In supermarket that's a joke lol! I am asthmatic/diabetic and 63 I will abide by any conditions of not having the vaccine and will forfeit a ventilator at end of the day it's my choice x | |||
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"How would your sex life and behaviour change, if all swinging services, sites, clubs etc, only allowed vaccinated or officially exempt, to engage with others? " Absolutely the way to go .. yes I understand some people might be trotting out the ' what goes into my body' routine. That is fair enough to be able to make that decision. However, I would argue that anyone decides not to agree to be vaccinated or protected is heavily counteracted by those who also want the relative safety and security of knowing that people and places they go to are going to be safe. Something I think a lot of people seem to be forgetting is that the worry is not dying from contracting the virus ( although that is a concern obviously!) The real concern is being unable to work /out of work and infecting others close to you who would end up in the same position. I fully 'get' peoples principles though will now always argue that principles can not be more important than peoples livelihoods and the economy in general. personally, I have decided to try to find maybe a handful of swinging friends for the foreseeable who would all agree to remain exclusive to each other. Trust obviously being very important here! yes it is making 2 bubbles but thats the best solution I can think of ! I have also decided not to socialise outside a family bubble or go to clubs, concerts indoor venues etc until we have some sort of national agreement on this . I dont think its fair that some can refuse to be what I guess is called 'safe' and other be happy to run the risk .. It has to be an ' all or nothing' situationn its just not safe enough for everyone otherwise :/ | |||
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"We wont be vaccinated but judging by the amount of offers we have had to meet over the last few months I doubt we will be short of playmates....... I think you will find a lot of those offers will disappear when they find out...or will you just not bother telling them? Not a single one of them thats asked us for a meet since March (and we have had a lot) have cared less about the covid risks or any lock downs. What makes you think they are going to check if we have been vaccinated? " I can't possibly imagine why anyone would possibly want to meet someone who has that little regard for their health. Have you considered that if they don't care about the covid risks they probably aren't that bothered about passing their STDs on either! | |||
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"I would be fine about it, we have to remember that it is not transmitted sexually tho. Bodily fluids contain the virus and being physically close to others can spread the virus. Not unless he's got a 2 metre cock I can confirm that Shag's famous l cock is a wonderful specimen but it's not 2m in length. Plus people would need to keep 2m from the end of his cock. Thanks for that I was just about to put a call in to Guinness book of World records He would have got even more famous on Big Brother, as it would have been caught on camera. Sadly it got cancelled, before he got to go in. Who? Shag XxxYes I would of been even more famous and yes, is a shame it got cancelled before I could go in there, maibe it will come back in the future, lets so Did you audition to go on there " No I didnt but I thought about it, it would of been fun as well | |||
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" I can't possibly imagine why anyone would possibly want to meet someone who has that little regard for their health. Have you considered that if they don't care about the covid risks they probably aren't that bothered about passing their STDs on either! " I agree. Also, even after those that are going to have the vaccine have had it the Virus hasn't gone anywhere, it's still in the population, so those who have not had the vaccine are still in danger of getting Covid and suffering the consequenses. | |||
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"How would your sex life and behaviour change, if all swinging services, sites, clubs etc, only allowed vaccinated or officially exempt, to engage with others? " So the question is hypothetical? Because clubs will never ask for that and won’t ever be able to. It would be against data protection protocols to ask if you been vaccinated! | |||
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"How would your sex life and behaviour change, if all swinging services, sites, clubs etc, only allowed vaccinated or officially exempt, to engage with others? So the question is hypothetical? Because clubs will never ask for that and won’t ever be able to. It would be against data protection protocols to ask if you been vaccinated! " We would be very wary as having a vaccine does not mean you cannot catch or pass on covid. That simple lack of understanding would show us those playing there were not safe partners | |||
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"How would your sex life and behaviour change, if all swinging services, sites, clubs etc, only allowed vaccinated or officially exempt, to engage with others? So the question is hypothetical? Because clubs will never ask for that and won’t ever be able to. It would be against data protection protocols to ask if you been vaccinated! " It would not be a breach of data protection laws to ask if you had been vaccinated and under GDPR they would be entitled to hold that information as long as it was only used for the intended purposes ( the protection of the health of there customers would justify this). Whether clubs would ever ask for that information or if customers would be prepared to give it is another question though. | |||
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"How would your sex life and behaviour change, if all swinging services, sites, clubs etc, only allowed vaccinated or officially exempt, to engage with others? So the question is hypothetical? Because clubs will never ask for that and won’t ever be able to. It would be against data protection protocols to ask if you been vaccinated! " You have no idea if that's true or not. You already have to ask to see ID so what's the difference? | |||
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"I doubt clubs will use vaccination status alone to open as it would exclude those who do not want the vaccine and those who can't have it. The vaccines are also not 100% effective. Clubs will need some kind of reliable and affordable fast testing to open; this has been used in Poland prior to the 2nd wave. " As you guys are in the business I would tend to listen to your opinion on the matter. | |||
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"How would your sex life and behaviour change, if all swinging services, sites, clubs etc, only allowed vaccinated or officially exempt, to engage with others? So the question is hypothetical? Because clubs will never ask for that and won’t ever be able to. It would be against data protection protocols to ask if you been vaccinated! We would be very wary as having a vaccine does not mean you cannot catch or pass on covid. That simple lack of understanding would show us those playing there were not safe partners" | |||
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"How would your sex life and behaviour change, if all swinging services, sites, clubs etc, only allowed vaccinated or officially exempt, to engage with others? So the question is hypothetical? Because clubs will never ask for that and won’t ever be able to. It would be against data protection protocols to ask if you been vaccinated! It would not be a breach of data protection laws to ask if you had been vaccinated and under GDPR they would be entitled to hold that information as long as it was only used for the intended purposes ( the protection of the health of there customers would justify this). Whether clubs would ever ask for that information or if customers would be prepared to give it is another question though. " It's going to be required to permit using the services of some businesses. Qantas has signalled its intention to require vaccinations prior to flights. Cyprus is also going to allow vaccinated people to travel there without tests before flights. These charges will involve data requests etc, that will be fall within the GDPR scope. If it's all reasonable, it's appropriate. This OP was hypothetical, as much is in life now and is good to discuss. Few of us would have expected the year that we've had, so some thinking is helpful | |||
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"No point in clubs saying vaccinated people only haha. If you are vaccinated you can still catch the virus and carry it spreading it around, it only protects you that's how vaccines work." Then why isn't measles still roaring through our society? | |||
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"Just put out a statement that the vaccine increases penis size and every man will have one tomorrow" And it makes a pussy tighter oh and big tits small and small large lol.... | |||
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"No point in clubs saying vaccinated people only haha. If you are vaccinated you can still catch the virus and carry it spreading it around, it only protects you that's how vaccines work." Are you sure you understand how vaccines work and how viruses replicate inside the body? | |||
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"How would your sex life and behaviour change, if all swinging services, sites, clubs etc, only allowed vaccinated or officially exempt, to engage with others? So the question is hypothetical? Because clubs will never ask for that and won’t ever be able to. It would be against data protection protocols to ask if you been vaccinated! You have no idea if that's true or not. You already have to ask to see ID so what's the difference?" I’ve been around the club industry a long time. These are small ventures and revenue is key! I have spoken to a lot of club owners recently on a similar subject. Mostly have all said it’s not their place to request medical vaccination history and it would start to become a grey area with keeping that data and having to store it up to a certain number of years! Obviously if the government make them ask then they will have to go on. They don’t exactly fall under ‘swingers club’ to open! Pubs, restaurants and supermarkets won’t be asking you and neither will a club owner Only 32% of the U.K. population agreed they will take it! Also I can’t recall the last time I ever showed ID into a party/event it club - obviously some do ask for it but not many! ID is a bit different to your medical history! | |||
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"Anyone willing to take a vaccine that has only taken 8 months to develop, when other vaccines take approx two decades to trial is an absolute idiot. Clearly these vaccine craving fools do not remember or know anything about Thalidomide. It's time to wake up people. A vaccine is not going to return things to normal. There will never be another normal. Get used to it. Distrust the government. Avoid mass media. Fight the lies. " Another one that doesn't understand vaccine trials and how they work. They can take up to 12 years to develop but are only tested on average for between 1 and 2 years and on roughly the same amount of people that these have been. If you are going to write this stuff please make sure that you have researched because it's a load of nonsense. | |||
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"How would your sex life and behaviour change, if all swinging services, sites, clubs etc, only allowed vaccinated or officially exempt, to engage with others? So the question is hypothetical? Because clubs will never ask for that and won’t ever be able to. It would be against data protection protocols to ask if you been vaccinated! You have no idea if that's true or not. You already have to ask to see ID so what's the difference? I’ve been around the club industry a long time. These are small ventures and revenue is key! I have spoken to a lot of club owners recently on a similar subject. Mostly have all said it’s not their place to request medical vaccination history and it would start to become a grey area with keeping that data and having to store it up to a certain number of years! Obviously if the government make them ask then they will have to go on. They don’t exactly fall under ‘swingers club’ to open! Pubs, restaurants and supermarkets won’t be asking you and neither will a club owner Only 32% of the U.K. population agreed they will take it! Also I can’t recall the last time I ever showed ID into a party/event it club - obviously some do ask for it but not many! ID is a bit different to your medical history! " Really because my understanding is that is the condition of the licence of most clubs so not sure what ones you are going to. Every club I have ever been too has asked for ID so I don't believe somehow you are an exception. | |||
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"Anyone willing to take a vaccine that has only taken 8 months to develop, when other vaccines take approx two decades to trial is an absolute idiot. Clearly these vaccine craving fools do not remember or know anything about Thalidomide. It's time to wake up people. A vaccine is not going to return things to normal. There will never be another normal. Get used to it. Distrust the government. Avoid mass media. Fight the lies. " These misinformed tropes have been spreading from Karen on facebook, called out for the claptrap that they are. It's assumed you are not involved in scientific research, probably not particularly scientific literate. This is a vaccine, not a drug like the 1 you mentioned, which exposed flaws in government approvals globally. It caused massive changes to those processes, so the system is nothing like what it was all those decades ago. If you disagree with any specific part of the research and development or the 3 trials phases, state specifically what they are, otherwise a its baseless slur, driven from nought. | |||
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"I would be fine about it, we have to remember that it is not transmitted sexually tho. It is transmitted through close contact. Unless you can have a sexual encounter socially distancing. I'm sure they'll be someone on here who will argue that point,lol." Well clubs could have glory holes but ones with clear perspex and to be wopes down after use lol | |||
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"Well unless any of you are over 70 or aren't fit and healthy you are more likely to die from flu than covid but do you/clubs ask for proof of flu vaccine? Obviously not" People keep quoting this type of thing without knowing the facts. Our local Health Trust which covers Birmingham and Solihull put out some figures to dispel this myth recently.In summary; In the last five years they have had less than 20 deaths in under 50 year olds from Flu. In the last nine months they have had nearly 600 deaths in the same age group from COVID. Of those 600 more than 200 had no underlying health conditions. | |||
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"How would your sex life and behaviour change, if all swinging services, sites, clubs etc, only allowed vaccinated or officially exempt, to engage with others? " It won't. But as this will never happen as it doesn't stop the spread only reduces it. They have just found the virus in untreated water system in Australia which now raises some bigger questions. | |||
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"How would your sex life and behaviour change, if all swinging services, sites, clubs etc, only allowed vaccinated or officially exempt, to engage with others? So the question is hypothetical? Because clubs will never ask for that and won’t ever be able to. It would be against data protection protocols to ask if you been vaccinated! You have no idea if that's true or not. You already have to ask to see ID so what's the difference? I’ve been around the club industry a long time. These are small ventures and revenue is key! I have spoken to a lot of club owners recently on a similar subject. Mostly have all said it’s not their place to request medical vaccination history and it would start to become a grey area with keeping that data and having to store it up to a certain number of years! Obviously if the government make them ask then they will have to go on. They don’t exactly fall under ‘swingers club’ to open! Pubs, restaurants and supermarkets won’t be asking you and neither will a club owner Only 32% of the U.K. population agreed they will take it! Also I can’t recall the last time I ever showed ID into a party/event it club - obviously some do ask for it but not many! ID is a bit different to your medical history! Really because my understanding is that is the condition of the licence of most clubs so not sure what ones you are going to. Every club I have ever been too has asked for ID so I don't believe somehow you are an exception." Tbf, I've been to 8 clubs and not had ONE request for ID. It may be a regional thing but I've never produced any form of ID | |||
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"I would be fine about it, we have to remember that it is not transmitted sexually tho. It is transmitted through close contact. Unless you can have a sexual encounter socially distancing. I'm sure they'll be someone on here who will argue that point,lol. Well clubs could have glory holes but ones with clear perspex and to be wopes down after use lol" Unfortunately, if body contact occurs through an hole, there is risk of transmission of the virus. Whilst the area of bodies in contact may be small - depending on, amongst other things, cock size - it still exists . Aerosol transmissions could be minimised by the screens and good ventilation. Transparent barriers and ventilation could certainly help to reduce potential infections. If there were areas that were flexible plastic type materials, people could caress another, whilst still being screened. | |||
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"Anyone willing to take a vaccine that has only taken 8 months to develop, when other vaccines take approx two decades to trial is an absolute idiot. Clearly these vaccine craving fools do not remember or know anything about Thalidomide. It's time to wake up people. A vaccine is not going to return things to normal. There will never be another normal. Get used to it. Distrust the government. Avoid mass media. Fight the lies. " And I score one point for my first ‘wake up’ this morning ffs | |||
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"... so surely if you’re vaccinated then an unvaccinated person is the one at risk? So an unvaccinated person is actually reaping all the benefits of the vaccination without any personal risk - bloody selfish if you ask me. So some kind of consequences should be involved I think - people letting others take all the risk while they also benefit ... idiots. " So you're suggesting the person choosing to take the vaccination is imposing consequences bon those who chose not to take it? And what are all these benefits? I don't follow the logic. And who are the idiots? | |||
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"Anyone willing to take a vaccine that has only taken 8 months to develop, when other vaccines take approx two decades to trial is an absolute idiot. Clearly these vaccine craving fools do not remember or know anything about Thalidomide. It's time to wake up people. A vaccine is not going to return things to normal. There will never be another normal. Get used to it. Distrust the government. Avoid mass media. Fight the lies. " Overall, I agree with you. I wouldn't go that far as calling anyone who takes the vaccine 'an idiot' though. There are valid reasons to get vaccinated, despite the risks. However, the description 'idiot' may be reserved for those militant pro vaccers who like nazies try to impose forceful vaccination and total surrender of one's will to government, social pressure, bullying, etc. Your body, your choice. All this war between the camps of pro and anti vaccers are ridiculous and futile. Stay safe people. Whichever camp you belong to. | |||
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"... so surely if you’re vaccinated then an unvaccinated person is the one at risk? So an unvaccinated person is actually reaping all the benefits of the vaccination without any personal risk - bloody selfish if you ask me. So some kind of consequences should be involved I think - people letting others take all the risk while they also benefit ... idiots. So you're suggesting the person choosing to take the vaccination is imposing consequences bon those who chose not to take it? And what are all these benefits? I don't follow the logic. And who are the idiots?" I Thought it clear.. no? Ok I’ll speak clearer..... some people are choosing not to take the vaccine even though they can (ie not medically unable just a ‘choice’) the vaccine means we will be able to return to a pre covid way of life l. These people who refuse are therefore prepared to let others take all the risk while still reaping the rewards that the vaccine will bring ie less restrictions. To me that’s selfish ..... there should be a consequence to that choice - if you’re not prepared to contribute to the return of society then why should you benefit from it. | |||
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"... so surely if you’re vaccinated then an unvaccinated person is the one at risk? So an unvaccinated person is actually reaping all the benefits of the vaccination without any personal risk - bloody selfish if you ask me. So some kind of consequences should be involved I think - people letting others take all the risk while they also benefit ... idiots. So you're suggesting the person choosing to take the vaccination is imposing consequences bon those who chose not to take it? And what are all these benefits? I don't follow the logic. And who are the idiots?" Hey, Magic, I think that she meant it sarcastically It's sophysm really, but it's quite smart and entertaining. | |||
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"... so surely if you’re vaccinated then an unvaccinated person is the one at risk? So an unvaccinated person is actually reaping all the benefits of the vaccination without any personal risk - bloody selfish if you ask me. So some kind of consequences should be involved I think - people letting others take all the risk while they also benefit ... idiots. So you're suggesting the person choosing to take the vaccination is imposing consequences bon those who chose not to take it? And what are all these benefits? I don't follow the logic. And who are the idiots? I Thought it clear.. no? Ok I’ll speak clearer..... some people are choosing not to take the vaccine even though they can (ie not medically unable just a ‘choice’) the vaccine means we will be able to return to a pre covid way of life l. These people who refuse are therefore prepared to let others take all the risk while still reaping the rewards that the vaccine will bring ie less restrictions. To me that’s selfish ..... there should be a consequence to that choice - if you’re not prepared to contribute to the return of society then why should you benefit from it. " Oh, sugar! You weren't sarcastic at all. But not clear either, so Magic was correct in asking for clarification. So you say that taking the vaccine comes with risks? And you say that if one isn't vaccinated, they take no risks whatsoever? Even the risk of infection, illness and death? Nevermind. I really liked what I though that you had said, i.e. that the unvaccinated people will be taking all the risks (of becoming ill) while the vaccinated ones will suffer no risks, hence the unvaccinated should be compensated... A sarcastic joke of course. | |||
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"... so surely if you’re vaccinated then an unvaccinated person is the one at risk? So an unvaccinated person is actually reaping all the benefits of the vaccination without any personal risk - bloody selfish if you ask me. So some kind of consequences should be involved I think - people letting others take all the risk while they also benefit ... idiots. So you're suggesting the person choosing to take the vaccination is imposing consequences bon those who chose not to take it? And what are all these benefits? I don't follow the logic. And who are the idiots? I Thought it clear.. no? Ok I’ll speak clearer..... some people are choosing not to take the vaccine even though they can (ie not medically unable just a ‘choice’) the vaccine means we will be able to return to a pre covid way of life l. These people who refuse are therefore prepared to let others take all the risk while still reaping the rewards that the vaccine will bring ie less restrictions. To me that’s selfish ..... there should be a consequence to that choice - if you’re not prepared to contribute to the return of society then why should you benefit from it. Oh, sugar! You weren't sarcastic at all. But not clear either, so Magic was correct in asking for clarification. So you say that taking the vaccine comes with risks? And you say that if one isn't vaccinated, they take no risks whatsoever? Even the risk of infection, illness and death? Nevermind. I really liked what I though that you had said, i.e. that the unvaccinated people will be taking all the risks (of becoming ill) while the vaccinated ones will suffer no risks, hence the unvaccinated should be compensated... A sarcastic joke of course. " Not sarcastic at all once the vaccination is rolled out then herd immunity is the aim no? Therefore the people choosing not to vaccinate have let others take all the risk of the vaccine yet they benefit. The idea of others taking a risk for ME to return to a quality of life is appalling to me. The vaccine is for the good of society if you don’t want that then don’t do it but hey I couldn’t sleep at night knowing I’d done that. | |||
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"... so surely if you’re vaccinated then an unvaccinated person is the one at risk? So an unvaccinated person is actually reaping all the benefits of the vaccination without any personal risk - bloody selfish if you ask me. So some kind of consequences should be involved I think - people letting others take all the risk while they also benefit ... idiots. So you're suggesting the person choosing to take the vaccination is imposing consequences bon those who chose not to take it? And what are all these benefits? I don't follow the logic. And who are the idiots? I Thought it clear.. no? Ok I’ll speak clearer..... some people are choosing not to take the vaccine even though they can (ie not medically unable just a ‘choice’) the vaccine means we will be able to return to a pre covid way of life l. These people who refuse are therefore prepared to let others take all the risk while still reaping the rewards that the vaccine will bring ie less restrictions. To me that’s selfish ..... there should be a consequence to that choice - if you’re not prepared to contribute to the return of society then why should you benefit from it. Oh, sugar! You weren't sarcastic at all. But not clear either, so Magic was correct in asking for clarification. So you say that taking the vaccine comes with risks? And you say that if one isn't vaccinated, they take no risks whatsoever? Even the risk of infection, illness and death? Nevermind. I really liked what I though that you had said, i.e. that the unvaccinated people will be taking all the risks (of becoming ill) while the vaccinated ones will suffer no risks, hence the unvaccinated should be compensated... A sarcastic joke of course. Not sarcastic at all once the vaccination is rolled out then herd immunity is the aim no? Therefore the people choosing not to vaccinate have let others take all the risk of the vaccine yet they benefit. The idea of others taking a risk for ME to return to a quality of life is appalling to me. The vaccine is for the good of society if you don’t want that then don’t do it but hey I couldn’t sleep at night knowing I’d done that. " I may be wrong but I doubt that antivaccers rely on others to protect them from (this particular) virus. If one strongly opposes vaccination, they are prepared to take the personal risk of contracting the virus. Why would they loudly announce their opposition and distrust and try to persuade society to refuse vaccinations? If it were the case that if you get vaccinated, I'll be safe without a vaccine in my body, selfish people, as you say they are selfish, would keep quiet about their choices. | |||
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"I agree with Donald Trump (who he?), we should all inject ourselves with disinfectant (cheap as chips at Tesco), far less dangerous that a rigorously tested vaccine! " Double up and do both. Belt and braces. One doesn't preclude the other.... oh in fact best take the vaccine first in case the other doesn't work... | |||
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"I suppose one solution would be to have one of those 'hugging sheets' with a specific hole cut in it slip condom on get gaffer tapped to the sheet then back up a consenting lady onto the wall of plastic sheeting. Best bloke wears a mask too. Vaccine not required but I fir one wouldnt want to be the disinfector afterwards..." Many many years ago, I was dreaming of opening a sex club, where patrons meet without skin contact. A very fine fabric,light and almost impossible to feel, but sturdy, separates the individuals. You can go around, or stay in a cubicle/stables, and touch and caress and even shag others risk free. At that time of no covid, I mean. With covid now, perhaps an oxigen mask with supply of sterile air will be best. But it was an arousing idea then for me! Who knew a time will come when such an establishment would truly be needed... | |||
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"... so surely if you’re vaccinated then an unvaccinated person is the one at risk? So an unvaccinated person is actually reaping all the benefits of the vaccination without any personal risk - bloody selfish if you ask me. So some kind of consequences should be involved I think - people letting others take all the risk while they also benefit ... idiots. So you're suggesting the person choosing to take the vaccination is imposing consequences bon those who chose not to take it? And what are all these benefits? I don't follow the logic. And who are the idiots? I Thought it clear.. no? Ok I’ll speak clearer..... some people are choosing not to take the vaccine even though they can (ie not medically unable just a ‘choice’) the vaccine means we will be able to return to a pre covid way of life l. These people who refuse are therefore prepared to let others take all the risk while still reaping the rewards that the vaccine will bring ie less restrictions. To me that’s selfish ..... there should be a consequence to that choice - if you’re not prepared to contribute to the return of society then why should you benefit from it. Oh, sugar! You weren't sarcastic at all. But not clear either, so Magic was correct in asking for clarification. So you say that taking the vaccine comes with risks? And you say that if one isn't vaccinated, they take no risks whatsoever? Even the risk of infection, illness and death? Nevermind. I really liked what I though that you had said, i.e. that the unvaccinated people will be taking all the risks (of becoming ill) while the vaccinated ones will suffer no risks, hence the unvaccinated should be compensated... A sarcastic joke of course. Not sarcastic at all once the vaccination is rolled out then herd immunity is the aim no? Therefore the people choosing not to vaccinate have let others take all the risk of the vaccine yet they benefit. The idea of others taking a risk for ME to return to a quality of life is appalling to me. The vaccine is for the good of society if you don’t want that then don’t do it but hey I couldn’t sleep at night knowing I’d done that. I may be wrong but I doubt that antivaccers rely on others to protect them from (this particular) virus. If one strongly opposes vaccination, they are prepared to take the personal risk of contracting the virus. Why would they loudly announce their opposition and distrust and try to persuade society to refuse vaccinations? If it were the case that if you get vaccinated, I'll be safe without a vaccine in my body, selfish people, as you say they are selfish, would keep quiet about their choices. " The issue isn’t the virus the issue is the vaccine will enable society to return if you choose not to do this you’re not thinking about society - elderly alone, massive increased additional illness and death, kids schooling, businesses failing, houses being lost. - you’re not doing your bit to stop all of that: this is far deeper than just a virus it’s about responsibility within a society. I’m doing everything I can to stop all of the above as quickly as possible and that means having the vaccine, taking the risk. | |||
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"Anyone willing to take a vaccine that has only taken 8 months to develop, when other vaccines take approx two decades to trial is an absolute idiot. Clearly these vaccine craving fools do not remember or know anything about Thalidomide. It's time to wake up people. A vaccine is not going to return things to normal. There will never be another normal. Get used to it. Distrust the government. Avoid mass media. Fight the lies. These misinformed tropes have been spreading from Karen on facebook, called out for the claptrap that they are. It's assumed you are not involved in scientific research, probably not particularly scientific literate. This is a vaccine, not a drug like the 1 you mentioned, which exposed flaws in government approvals globally. It caused massive changes to those processes, so the system is nothing like what it was all those decades ago. If you disagree with any specific part of the research and development or the 3 trials phases, state specifically what they are, otherwise a its baseless slur, driven from nought. " Thank you for eloquently saying what I was about to say too! Thalidomide was a drug used in pregnancy not a vaccine so it is a moot point They already had the basis for the vaccination from the previous SARS outbreak so it needed less work plus vaccines usually only have a small group of scientists working on it whereas this has been a global effort | |||
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"... so surely if you’re vaccinated then an unvaccinated person is the one at risk? So an unvaccinated person is actually reaping all the benefits of the vaccination without any personal risk - bloody selfish if you ask me. So some kind of consequences should be involved I think - people letting others take all the risk while they also benefit ... idiots. So you're suggesting the person choosing to take the vaccination is imposing consequences bon those who chose not to take it? And what are all these benefits? I don't follow the logic. And who are the idiots? I Thought it clear.. no? Ok I’ll speak clearer..... some people are choosing not to take the vaccine even though they can (ie not medically unable just a ‘choice’) the vaccine means we will be able to return to a pre covid way of life l. These people who refuse are therefore prepared to let others take all the risk while still reaping the rewards that the vaccine will bring ie less restrictions. To me that’s selfish ..... there should be a consequence to that choice - if you’re not prepared to contribute to the return of society then why should you benefit from it. " You haven't stated what 'all the risks' are? What are these risks? Those who take the vaccine are not being forced, but are choosing to do so also, a free choice and I don't here anyone saying they shouldn't, so find it strange that pro vaxxers seem to be forcing their choice upon those who choose not too, even in hypothetical illustrated idea as above, nothing less than a form of bullying imo. On your last point, there are many ways to contribute to society, but not everyone must contribute in the same way. If we are to force others then we loose a valuable part of society by imposition. If it becomes law then there should be consequences, I would agree, if however it's not then then surely you should respect their choice and respect them as people who can exercise a difference of opinion in making their choice? I think there's still a lot more that needs to be learnt about this virus. It's already been made clear that having the vaccine won't stop you spreading it as so many seem to subconsciously assume, so many of the reasons above insisting or having it need to be reviewed. I can have the vaccine and think I'm all right Jack and can fuck anyone because 'Im' safe. Sorry to burst your bubble. You'll still be a carrier and spreader, if anything because of the thinking you're safe, you'll become more a hazard than someone who hasn't and behaves in a more responsible way. | |||
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"... so surely if you’re vaccinated then an unvaccinated person is the one at risk? So an unvaccinated person is actually reaping all the benefits of the vaccination without any personal risk - bloody selfish if you ask me. So some kind of consequences should be involved I think - people letting others take all the risk while they also benefit ... idiots. So you're suggesting the person choosing to take the vaccination is imposing consequences bon those who chose not to take it? And what are all these benefits? I don't follow the logic. And who are the idiots? I Thought it clear.. no? Ok I’ll speak clearer..... some people are choosing not to take the vaccine even though they can (ie not medically unable just a ‘choice’) the vaccine means we will be able to return to a pre covid way of life l. These people who refuse are therefore prepared to let others take all the risk while still reaping the rewards that the vaccine will bring ie less restrictions. To me that’s selfish ..... there should be a consequence to that choice - if you’re not prepared to contribute to the return of society then why should you benefit from it. Oh, sugar! You weren't sarcastic at all. But not clear either, so Magic was correct in asking for clarification. So you say that taking the vaccine comes with risks? And you say that if one isn't vaccinated, they take no risks whatsoever? Even the risk of infection, illness and death? Nevermind. I really liked what I though that you had said, i.e. that the unvaccinated people will be taking all the risks (of becoming ill) while the vaccinated ones will suffer no risks, hence the unvaccinated should be compensated... A sarcastic joke of course. Not sarcastic at all once the vaccination is rolled out then herd immunity is the aim no? Therefore the people choosing not to vaccinate have let others take all the risk of the vaccine yet they benefit. The idea of others taking a risk for ME to return to a quality of life is appalling to me. The vaccine is for the good of society if you don’t want that then don’t do it but hey I couldn’t sleep at night knowing I’d done that. I may be wrong but I doubt that antivaccers rely on others to protect them from (this particular) virus. If one strongly opposes vaccination, they are prepared to take the personal risk of contracting the virus. Why would they loudly announce their opposition and distrust and try to persuade society to refuse vaccinations? If it were the case that if you get vaccinated, I'll be safe without a vaccine in my body, selfish people, as you say they are selfish, would keep quiet about their choices. The issue isn’t the virus the issue is the vaccine will enable society to return if you choose not to do this you’re not thinking about society - elderly alone, massive increased additional illness and death, kids schooling, businesses failing, houses being lost. - you’re not doing your bit to stop all of that: this is far deeper than just a virus it’s about responsibility within a society. I’m doing everything I can to stop all of the above as quickly as possible and that means having the vaccine, taking the risk. " This is what the anti-vaxxers don't see. They never will. Its all me, me, me with them. Unless it's for medical reasons, man up and get the vaccine, and try to think about your friends, family, and others in your community. | |||
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"... so surely if you’re vaccinated then an unvaccinated person is the one at risk? So an unvaccinated person is actually reaping all the benefits of the vaccination without any personal risk - bloody selfish if you ask me. So some kind of consequences should be involved I think - people letting others take all the risk while they also benefit ... idiots. So you're suggesting the person choosing to take the vaccination is imposing consequences bon those who chose not to take it? And what are all these benefits? I don't follow the logic. And who are the idiots? I Thought it clear.. no? Ok I’ll speak clearer..... some people are choosing not to take the vaccine even though they can (ie not medically unable just a ‘choice’) the vaccine means we will be able to return to a pre covid way of life l. These people who refuse are therefore prepared to let others take all the risk while still reaping the rewards that the vaccine will bring ie less restrictions. To me that’s selfish ..... there should be a consequence to that choice - if you’re not prepared to contribute to the return of society then why should you benefit from it. You haven't stated what 'all the risks' are? What are these risks? Those who take the vaccine are not being forced, but are choosing to do so also, a free choice and I don't here anyone saying they shouldn't, so find it strange that pro vaxxers seem to be forcing their choice upon those who choose not too, even in hypothetical illustrated idea as above, nothing less than a form of bullying imo. On your last point, there are many ways to contribute to society, but not everyone must contribute in the same way. If we are to force others then we loose a valuable part of society by imposition. If it becomes law then there should be consequences, I would agree, if however it's not then then surely you should respect their choice and respect them as people who can exercise a difference of opinion in making their choice? I think there's still a lot more that needs to be learnt about this virus. It's already been made clear that having the vaccine won't stop you spreading it as so many seem to subconsciously assume, so many of the reasons above insisting or having it need to be reviewed. I can have the vaccine and think I'm all right Jack and can fuck anyone because 'Im' safe. Sorry to burst your bubble. You'll still be a carrier and spreader, if anything because of the thinking you're safe, you'll become more a hazard than someone who hasn't and behaves in a more responsible way. " Risks . What about the vaccine itself. These things takes years of research Pfizer have been given immunity on been sued if anything was to go wrong,, | |||
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"... so surely if you’re vaccinated then an unvaccinated person is the one at risk? So an unvaccinated person is actually reaping all the benefits of the vaccination without any personal risk - bloody selfish if you ask me. So some kind of consequences should be involved I think - people letting others take all the risk while they also benefit ... idiots. So you're suggesting the person choosing to take the vaccination is imposing consequences bon those who chose not to take it? And what are all these benefits? I don't follow the logic. And who are the idiots? I Thought it clear.. no? Ok I’ll speak clearer..... some people are choosing not to take the vaccine even though they can (ie not medically unable just a ‘choice’) the vaccine means we will be able to return to a pre covid way of life l. These people who refuse are therefore prepared to let others take all the risk while still reaping the rewards that the vaccine will bring ie less restrictions. To me that’s selfish ..... there should be a consequence to that choice - if you’re not prepared to contribute to the return of society then why should you benefit from it. You haven't stated what 'all the risks' are? What are these risks? Those who take the vaccine are not being forced, but are choosing to do so also, a free choice and I don't here anyone saying they shouldn't, so find it strange that pro vaxxers seem to be forcing their choice upon those who choose not too, even in hypothetical illustrated idea as above, nothing less than a form of bullying imo. On your last point, there are many ways to contribute to society, but not everyone must contribute in the same way. If we are to force others then we loose a valuable part of society by imposition. If it becomes law then there should be consequences, I would agree, if however it's not then then surely you should respect their choice and respect them as people who can exercise a difference of opinion in making their choice? I think there's still a lot more that needs to be learnt about this virus. It's already been made clear that having the vaccine won't stop you spreading it as so many seem to subconsciously assume, so many of the reasons above insisting or having it need to be reviewed. I can have the vaccine and think I'm all right Jack and can fuck anyone because 'Im' safe. Sorry to burst your bubble. You'll still be a carrier and spreader, if anything because of the thinking you're safe, you'll become more a hazard than someone who hasn't and behaves in a more responsible way. " I disagree with all of your points ... sounds like excuses really. | |||
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"... so surely if you’re vaccinated then an unvaccinated person is the one at risk? So an unvaccinated person is actually reaping all the benefits of the vaccination without any personal risk - bloody selfish if you ask me. So some kind of consequences should be involved I think - people letting others take all the risk while they also benefit ... idiots. So you're suggesting the person choosing to take the vaccination is imposing consequences bon those who chose not to take it? And what are all these benefits? I don't follow the logic. And who are the idiots? I Thought it clear.. no? Ok I’ll speak clearer..... some people are choosing not to take the vaccine even though they can (ie not medically unable just a ‘choice’) the vaccine means we will be able to return to a pre covid way of life l. These people who refuse are therefore prepared to let others take all the risk while still reaping the rewards that the vaccine will bring ie less restrictions. To me that’s selfish ..... there should be a consequence to that choice - if you’re not prepared to contribute to the return of society then why should you benefit from it. You haven't stated what 'all the risks' are? What are these risks? Those who take the vaccine are not being forced, but are choosing to do so also, a free choice and I don't here anyone saying they shouldn't, so find it strange that pro vaxxers seem to be forcing their choice upon those who choose not too, even in hypothetical illustrated idea as above, nothing less than a form of bullying imo. On your last point, there are many ways to contribute to society, but not everyone must contribute in the same way. If we are to force others then we loose a valuable part of society by imposition. If it becomes law then there should be consequences, I would agree, if however it's not then then surely you should respect their choice and respect them as people who can exercise a difference of opinion in making their choice? I think there's still a lot more that needs to be learnt about this virus. It's already been made clear that having the vaccine won't stop you spreading it as so many seem to subconsciously assume, so many of the reasons above insisting or having it need to be reviewed. I can have the vaccine and think I'm all right Jack and can fuck anyone because 'Im' safe. Sorry to burst your bubble. You'll still be a carrier and spreader, if anything because of the thinking you're safe, you'll become more a hazard than someone who hasn't and behaves in a more responsible way. " Someone talking sense at last ! X | |||
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"People saying there taking all the risk having the vaccine what is the risk i thought the vaccine was safe no? I will be having it eventually but im in the last group so who knows when that will be and hey if there is something wrong with it i can choose not to accept seems as i in last group" What group list is there | |||
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"... so surely if you’re vaccinated then an unvaccinated person is the one at risk? So an unvaccinated person is actually reaping all the benefits of the vaccination without any personal risk - bloody selfish if you ask me. So some kind of consequences should be involved I think - people letting others take all the risk while they also benefit ... idiots. So you're suggesting the person choosing to take the vaccination is imposing consequences bon those who chose not to take it? And what are all these benefits? I don't follow the logic. And who are the idiots? I Thought it clear.. no? Ok I’ll speak clearer..... some people are choosing not to take the vaccine even though they can (ie not medically unable just a ‘choice’) the vaccine means we will be able to return to a pre covid way of life l. These people who refuse are therefore prepared to let others take all the risk while still reaping the rewards that the vaccine will bring ie less restrictions. To me that’s selfish ..... there should be a consequence to that choice - if you’re not prepared to contribute to the return of society then why should you benefit from it. You haven't stated what 'all the risks' are? What are these risks? Those who take the vaccine are not being forced, but are choosing to do so also, a free choice and I don't here anyone saying they shouldn't, so find it strange that pro vaxxers seem to be forcing their choice upon those who choose not too, even in hypothetical illustrated idea as above, nothing less than a form of bullying imo. On your last point, there are many ways to contribute to society, but not everyone must contribute in the same way. If we are to force others then we loose a valuable part of society by imposition. If it becomes law then there should be consequences, I would agree, if however it's not then then surely you should respect their choice and respect them as people who can exercise a difference of opinion in making their choice? I think there's still a lot more that needs to be learnt about this virus. It's already been made clear that having the vaccine won't stop you spreading it as so many seem to subconsciously assume, so many of the reasons above insisting or having it need to be reviewed. I can have the vaccine and think I'm all right Jack and can fuck anyone because 'Im' safe. Sorry to burst your bubble. You'll still be a carrier and spreader, if anything because of the thinking you're safe, you'll become more a hazard than someone who hasn't and behaves in a more responsible way. X" You won’t be a carrier or spreader the vaccine is to create immunological memory in the body so that when you encounter the virus, your immune system attacks the virus very quickly before you get sick. Therefore, the virus will be stopped from replicating in your system pretty quickly, And would limit your ability to spread it to others It could happen, but the risks would be far less than if not vaccinated. | |||
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"... so surely if you’re vaccinated then an unvaccinated person is the one at risk? So an unvaccinated person is actually reaping all the benefits of the vaccination without any personal risk - bloody selfish if you ask me. So some kind of consequences should be involved I think - people letting others take all the risk while they also benefit ... idiots. So you're suggesting the person choosing to take the vaccination is imposing consequences bon those who chose not to take it? And what are all these benefits? I don't follow the logic. And who are the idiots? I Thought it clear.. no? Ok I’ll speak clearer..... some people are choosing not to take the vaccine even though they can (ie not medically unable just a ‘choice’) the vaccine means we will be able to return to a pre covid way of life l. These people who refuse are therefore prepared to let others take all the risk while still reaping the rewards that the vaccine will bring ie less restrictions. To me that’s selfish ..... there should be a consequence to that choice - if you’re not prepared to contribute to the return of society then why should you benefit from it. You haven't stated what 'all the risks' are? What are these risks? Those who take the vaccine are not being forced, but are choosing to do so also, a free choice and I don't here anyone saying they shouldn't, so find it strange that pro vaxxers seem to be forcing their choice upon those who choose not too, even in hypothetical illustrated idea as above, nothing less than a form of bullying imo. On your last point, there are many ways to contribute to society, but not everyone must contribute in the same way. If we are to force others then we loose a valuable part of society by imposition. If it becomes law then there should be consequences, I would agree, if however it's not then then surely you should respect their choice and respect them as people who can exercise a difference of opinion in making their choice? I think there's still a lot more that needs to be learnt about this virus. It's already been made clear that having the vaccine won't stop you spreading it as so many seem to subconsciously assume, so many of the reasons above insisting or having it need to be reviewed. I can have the vaccine and think I'm all right Jack and can fuck anyone because 'Im' safe. Sorry to burst your bubble. You'll still be a carrier and spreader, if anything because of the thinking you're safe, you'll become more a hazard than someone who hasn't and behaves in a more responsible way. Risks . What about the vaccine itself. These things takes years of research Pfizer have been given immunity on been sued if anything was to go wrong,, " It’s also the same for all other vaccines. Have a look. Don’t think the covid one is anything special on that front. | |||
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"... so surely if you’re vaccinated then an unvaccinated person is the one at risk? So an unvaccinated person is actually reaping all the benefits of the vaccination without any personal risk - bloody selfish if you ask me. So some kind of consequences should be involved I think - people letting others take all the risk while they also benefit ... idiots. So you're suggesting the person choosing to take the vaccination is imposing consequences bon those who chose not to take it? And what are all these benefits? I don't follow the logic. And who are the idiots? I Thought it clear.. no? Ok I’ll speak clearer..... some people are choosing not to take the vaccine even though they can (ie not medically unable just a ‘choice’) the vaccine means we will be able to return to a pre covid way of life l. These people who refuse are therefore prepared to let others take all the risk while still reaping the rewards that the vaccine will bring ie less restrictions. To me that’s selfish ..... there should be a consequence to that choice - if you’re not prepared to contribute to the return of society then why should you benefit from it. You haven't stated what 'all the risks' are? What are these risks? Those who take the vaccine are not being forced, but are choosing to do so also, a free choice and I don't here anyone saying they shouldn't, so find it strange that pro vaxxers seem to be forcing their choice upon those who choose not too, even in hypothetical illustrated idea as above, nothing less than a form of bullying imo. On your last point, there are many ways to contribute to society, but not everyone must contribute in the same way. If we are to force others then we loose a valuable part of society by imposition. If it becomes law then there should be consequences, I would agree, if however it's not then then surely you should respect their choice and respect them as people who can exercise a difference of opinion in making their choice? I think there's still a lot more that needs to be learnt about this virus. It's already been made clear that having the vaccine won't stop you spreading it as so many seem to subconsciously assume, so many of the reasons above insisting or having it need to be reviewed. I can have the vaccine and think I'm all right Jack and can fuck anyone because 'Im' safe. Sorry to burst your bubble. You'll still be a carrier and spreader, if anything because of the thinking you're safe, you'll become more a hazard than someone who hasn't and behaves in a more responsible way. X You won’t be a carrier or spreader the vaccine is to create immunological memory in the body so that when you encounter the virus, your immune system attacks the virus very quickly before you get sick. Therefore, the virus will be stopped from replicating in your system pretty quickly, And would limit your ability to spread it to others It could happen, but the risks would be far less than if not vaccinated." Would you like to show me where you've heard this? Even today.... Dr Morgan said this about having the vaccine. "It doesn't change anything on the ground, we will still have to wear PPE, we will still have to use social distancing, 'hands, face, space', and so on, the same as everybody else in society, so that doesn't change anything," he said. So please show me where anyone qualified to say otherwise has said to the contrary? | |||
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"... so surely if you’re vaccinated then an unvaccinated person is the one at risk? So an unvaccinated person is actually reaping all the benefits of the vaccination without any personal risk - bloody selfish if you ask me. So some kind of consequences should be involved I think - people letting others take all the risk while they also benefit ... idiots. So you're suggesting the person choosing to take the vaccination is imposing consequences bon those who chose not to take it? And what are all these benefits? I don't follow the logic. And who are the idiots? I Thought it clear.. no? Ok I’ll speak clearer..... some people are choosing not to take the vaccine even though they can (ie not medically unable just a ‘choice’) the vaccine means we will be able to return to a pre covid way of life l. These people who refuse are therefore prepared to let others take all the risk while still reaping the rewards that the vaccine will bring ie less restrictions. To me that’s selfish ..... there should be a consequence to that choice - if you’re not prepared to contribute to the return of society then why should you benefit from it. You haven't stated what 'all the risks' are? What are these risks? Those who take the vaccine are not being forced, but are choosing to do so also, a free choice and I don't here anyone saying they shouldn't, so find it strange that pro vaxxers seem to be forcing their choice upon those who choose not too, even in hypothetical illustrated idea as above, nothing less than a form of bullying imo. On your last point, there are many ways to contribute to society, but not everyone must contribute in the same way. If we are to force others then we loose a valuable part of society by imposition. If it becomes law then there should be consequences, I would agree, if however it's not then then surely you should respect their choice and respect them as people who can exercise a difference of opinion in making their choice? I think there's still a lot more that needs to be learnt about this virus. It's already been made clear that having the vaccine won't stop you spreading it as so many seem to subconsciously assume, so many of the reasons above insisting or having it need to be reviewed. I can have the vaccine and think I'm all right Jack and can fuck anyone because 'Im' safe. Sorry to burst your bubble. You'll still be a carrier and spreader, if anything because of the thinking you're safe, you'll become more a hazard than someone who hasn't and behaves in a more responsible way. X You won’t be a carrier or spreader the vaccine is to create immunological memory in the body so that when you encounter the virus, your immune system attacks the virus very quickly before you get sick. Therefore, the virus will be stopped from replicating in your system pretty quickly, And would limit your ability to spread it to others It could happen, but the risks would be far less than if not vaccinated." Not denying over time at all, my point is you and most others seem to think it immediately makes you safe. Sorry it doesn't. Your body may be protected but as it's airborn it can and will be transmitted by anyone, vaccinated or not until it has nearly disappeared. | |||
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"Anyone willing to take a vaccine that has only taken 8 months to develop, when other vaccines take approx two decades to trial is an absolute idiot. Clearly these vaccine craving fools do not remember or know anything about Thalidomide. It's time to wake up people. A vaccine is not going to return things to normal. There will never be another normal. Get used to it. Distrust the government. Avoid mass media. Fight the lies. " Thalidomide wasn't a vaccine. | |||
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"... so surely if you’re vaccinated then an unvaccinated person is the one at risk? So an unvaccinated person is actually reaping all the benefits of the vaccination without any personal risk - bloody selfish if you ask me. So some kind of consequences should be involved I think - people letting others take all the risk while they also benefit ... idiots. So you're suggesting the person choosing to take the vaccination is imposing consequences bon those who chose not to take it? And what are all these benefits? I don't follow the logic. And who are the idiots? I Thought it clear.. no? Ok I’ll speak clearer..... some people are choosing not to take the vaccine even though they can (ie not medically unable just a ‘choice’) the vaccine means we will be able to return to a pre covid way of life l. These people who refuse are therefore prepared to let others take all the risk while still reaping the rewards that the vaccine will bring ie less restrictions. To me that’s selfish ..... there should be a consequence to that choice - if you’re not prepared to contribute to the return of society then why should you benefit from it. Oh, sugar! You weren't sarcastic at all. But not clear either, so Magic was correct in asking for clarification. So you say that taking the vaccine comes with risks? And you say that if one isn't vaccinated, they take no risks whatsoever? Even the risk of infection, illness and death? Nevermind. I really liked what I though that you had said, i.e. that the unvaccinated people will be taking all the risks (of becoming ill) while the vaccinated ones will suffer no risks, hence the unvaccinated should be compensated... A sarcastic joke of course. Not sarcastic at all once the vaccination is rolled out then herd immunity is the aim no? Therefore the people choosing not to vaccinate have let others take all the risk of the vaccine yet they benefit. The idea of others taking a risk for ME to return to a quality of life is appalling to me. The vaccine is for the good of society if you don’t want that then don’t do it but hey I couldn’t sleep at night knowing I’d done that. I may be wrong but I doubt that antivaccers rely on others to protect them from (this particular) virus. If one strongly opposes vaccination, they are prepared to take the personal risk of contracting the virus. Why would they loudly announce their opposition and distrust and try to persuade society to refuse vaccinations? If it were the case that if you get vaccinated, I'll be safe without a vaccine in my body, selfish people, as you say they are selfish, would keep quiet about their choices. The issue isn’t the virus the issue is the vaccine will enable society to return if you choose not to do this you’re not thinking about society - elderly alone, massive increased additional illness and death, kids schooling, businesses failing, houses being lost. - you’re not doing your bit to stop all of that: this is far deeper than just a virus it’s about responsibility within a society. I’m doing everything I can to stop all of the above as quickly as possible and that means having the vaccine, taking the risk. " What you say still boils down to the virus though... A bit like don't use plastic bags, so we save the planet. Oh, yeah. We will... I very much doubt that this vaccine will do as it is expected to return life to normal. Isn't it the case the vaccine doesn't prevent hosting the virus, but, supposedly, prevents the vaccinated person not become ill or be less ill with covid? If so, where's this herd immunity and how my vaccine will protect someone who cannot be vaccinated? The benefit is fewer people in hospital or dead, which will be remarkable, indeed, but let's see if it works at all. Because looking at data, it seems many get the virus, few really suffer with it. So why do I need to get vaccinated, if I may cough twice and be over with the virus? Life is already normal. Living with a virus everywhere, but still normal, if we stop lock downs and regional tiers. D Trump had it. Old fart, but recovered in no time. They say that he had tons of medicine and a dozen doctors. Alright, however many others around him had the virus too without even going to hospital and recovered. So it wasn't the pills and the doctors that healed him. Neither his ego. It was probably just a mild strain. The one that most people seem to contract worldwide. Anyway. Stay safe! | |||
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"... so surely if you’re vaccinated then an unvaccinated person is the one at risk? So an unvaccinated person is actually reaping all the benefits of the vaccination without any personal risk - bloody selfish if you ask me. So some kind of consequences should be involved I think - people letting others take all the risk while they also benefit ... idiots. So you're suggesting the person choosing to take the vaccination is imposing consequences bon those who chose not to take it? And what are all these benefits? I don't follow the logic. And who are the idiots? I Thought it clear.. no? Ok I’ll speak clearer..... some people are choosing not to take the vaccine even though they can (ie not medically unable just a ‘choice’) the vaccine means we will be able to return to a pre covid way of life l. These people who refuse are therefore prepared to let others take all the risk while still reaping the rewards that the vaccine will bring ie less restrictions. To me that’s selfish ..... there should be a consequence to that choice - if you’re not prepared to contribute to the return of society then why should you benefit from it. Oh, sugar! You weren't sarcastic at all. But not clear either, so Magic was correct in asking for clarification. So you say that taking the vaccine comes with risks? And you say that if one isn't vaccinated, they take no risks whatsoever? Even the risk of infection, illness and death? Nevermind. I really liked what I though that you had said, i.e. that the unvaccinated people will be taking all the risks (of becoming ill) while the vaccinated ones will suffer no risks, hence the unvaccinated should be compensated... A sarcastic joke of course. Not sarcastic at all once the vaccination is rolled out then herd immunity is the aim no? Therefore the people choosing not to vaccinate have let others take all the risk of the vaccine yet they benefit. The idea of others taking a risk for ME to return to a quality of life is appalling to me. The vaccine is for the good of society if you don’t want that then don’t do it but hey I couldn’t sleep at night knowing I’d done that. I may be wrong but I doubt that antivaccers rely on others to protect them from (this particular) virus. If one strongly opposes vaccination, they are prepared to take the personal risk of contracting the virus. Why would they loudly announce their opposition and distrust and try to persuade society to refuse vaccinations? If it were the case that if you get vaccinated, I'll be safe without a vaccine in my body, selfish people, as you say they are selfish, would keep quiet about their choices. The issue isn’t the virus the issue is the vaccine will enable society to return if you choose not to do this you’re not thinking about society - elderly alone, massive increased additional illness and death, kids schooling, businesses failing, houses being lost. - you’re not doing your bit to stop all of that: this is far deeper than just a virus it’s about responsibility within a society. I’m doing everything I can to stop all of the above as quickly as possible and that means having the vaccine, taking the risk. This is what the anti-vaxxers don't see. They never will. Its all me, me, me with them. Unless it's for medical reasons, man up and get the vaccine, and try to think about your friends, family, and others in your community. " I am personally not an antivaccer, but on your point. You say unless for medical reasons take the vaccine. My medical reason is I'd give a chance to my immunity to fight off the virus than put in chemicals and enginered viruses in my body. I function better smoke, alcohol, drugs and pill free. I only take prescription drugs when I'm very ill and have no other choice but to poison myself with the aim to overcome the decease. An athlete would say,I'd rather train and compete honestly than inject some performance enhancing drugs to, hopefully, have an advantage in the race. | |||
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"... so surely if you’re vaccinated then an unvaccinated person is the one at risk? So an unvaccinated person is actually reaping all the benefits of the vaccination without any personal risk - bloody selfish if you ask me. So some kind of consequences should be involved I think - people letting others take all the risk while they also benefit ... idiots. So you're suggesting the person choosing to take the vaccination is imposing consequences bon those who chose not to take it? And what are all these benefits? I don't follow the logic. And who are the idiots? I Thought it clear.. no? Ok I’ll speak clearer..... some people are choosing not to take the vaccine even though they can (ie not medically unable just a ‘choice’) the vaccine means we will be able to return to a pre covid way of life l. These people who refuse are therefore prepared to let others take all the risk while still reaping the rewards that the vaccine will bring ie less restrictions. To me that’s selfish ..... there should be a consequence to that choice - if you’re not prepared to contribute to the return of society then why should you benefit from it. Oh, sugar! You weren't sarcastic at all. But not clear either, so Magic was correct in asking for clarification. So you say that taking the vaccine comes with risks? And you say that if one isn't vaccinated, they take no risks whatsoever? Even the risk of infection, illness and death? Nevermind. I really liked what I though that you had said, i.e. that the unvaccinated people will be taking all the risks (of becoming ill) while the vaccinated ones will suffer no risks, hence the unvaccinated should be compensated... A sarcastic joke of course. Not sarcastic at all once the vaccination is rolled out then herd immunity is the aim no? Therefore the people choosing not to vaccinate have let others take all the risk of the vaccine yet they benefit. The idea of others taking a risk for ME to return to a quality of life is appalling to me. The vaccine is for the good of society if you don’t want that then don’t do it but hey I couldn’t sleep at night knowing I’d done that. I may be wrong but I doubt that antivaccers rely on others to protect them from (this particular) virus. If one strongly opposes vaccination, they are prepared to take the personal risk of contracting the virus. Why would they loudly announce their opposition and distrust and try to persuade society to refuse vaccinations? If it were the case that if you get vaccinated, I'll be safe without a vaccine in my body, selfish people, as you say they are selfish, would keep quiet about their choices. The issue isn’t the virus the issue is the vaccine will enable society to return if you choose not to do this you’re not thinking about society - elderly alone, massive increased additional illness and death, kids schooling, businesses failing, houses being lost. - you’re not doing your bit to stop all of that: this is far deeper than just a virus it’s about responsibility within a society. I’m doing everything I can to stop all of the above as quickly as possible and that means having the vaccine, taking the risk. This is what the anti-vaxxers don't see. They never will. Its all me, me, me with them. Unless it's for medical reasons, man up and get the vaccine, and try to think about your friends, family, and others in your community. I am personally not an antivaccer, but on your point. You say unless for medical reasons take the vaccine. My medical reason is I'd give a chance to my immunity to fight off the virus than put in chemicals and enginered viruses in my body. I function better smoke, alcohol, drugs and pill free. I only take prescription drugs when I'm very ill and have no other choice but to poison myself with the aim to overcome the decease. An athlete would say,I'd rather train and compete honestly than inject some performance enhancing drugs to, hopefully, have an advantage in the race. " Most athletes will likely also want to be protected by their vaccinations that they've received through their lives. You compare vaccines to performance enhancing drugs but vaccines for Sars-Cove-2 are more like vitamins, that support the body doing what it does best naturally - they prime our body's immune system with identifiable elements of the virus, so that it creates a lasting immune recognition and response, available should the real virus ever enter our body. | |||
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"How would your sex life and behaviour change, if all swinging services, sites, clubs etc, only allowed vaccinated or officially exempt, to engage with others? " Good with me But only at the point where everyone who wants it can have it | |||
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"How would your sex life and behaviour change, if all swinging services, sites, clubs etc, only allowed vaccinated or officially exempt, to engage with others? " It will not change anything I only use clubs and Fab anyway. | |||
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"How would your sex life and behaviour change, if all swinging services, sites, clubs etc, only allowed vaccinated or officially exempt, to engage with others? It will not change anything I only use clubs and Fab anyway." I can't wait to get vaccinated and genuinely do not understand why anyone would not do so, if it is safe for them to. Anti vaxxers are dangerous in my opinion. | |||
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"Don't understand, why would they stop non vaccinated people ?? The vaccine does not stop you getting or passing on the virus ?? " ^ this Also, as a lady club owner on here has pointed out, some people are unable to build up antibodies to diseases despite being vaccinated against them. So in theory those people won't be able to attend clubs. | |||
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"... so surely if you’re vaccinated then an unvaccinated person is the one at risk? So an unvaccinated person is actually reaping all the benefits of the vaccination without any personal risk - bloody selfish if you ask me. So some kind of consequences should be involved I think - people letting others take all the risk while they also benefit ... idiots. Wow! x Why wow? People who choose for others to take the risk on behalf of society are selfish. Are you disputing that fact? Unless there is a valid medical reason for not vaccinating why decline it? It’s for the good of society and we as healthy adults can protect those weaker and more vulnerable by being vaccinated ... anti vaxxers have the right to refuse but if they don’t want to help protect society why should they reap the benefits of it? I'm not anti vax just not having this one x Then there needs to be a consequence attached to your choice - to return to pre covid we all have to do our bit. You’re choosing not to Yes I do I wear my mask I dont meet anyone except at work In supermarket that's a joke lol! I am asthmatic/diabetic and 63 I will abide by any conditions of not having the vaccine and will forfeit a ventilator at end of the day it's my choice x" in wondering if your position on this has changed now that a few of your family have picked it up at work and you thoughts are wear a mask or stay at home for others safety have you flipped to get a vaccine or stay at home for others safety? | |||
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"I will wait to be fully vaccinated, wait for sufficient herd immunity, and will prefer to spend my money in places which only allow the vaccinated and the medically exempt." Are you specifically speaking about swingers club here or all businesses? | |||
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"I will wait to be fully vaccinated, wait for sufficient herd immunity, and will prefer to spend my money in places which only allow the vaccinated and the medically exempt. Are you specifically speaking about swingers club here or all businesses? " All, including swinging services if any have such requirements. | |||
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"Wow. So many scientists on here " and apparently so many athletes comments like this are so childish, what it boils down to is your argument ran out of steam because someone else did their research and educated themselves before arguing their point and you never ... trying to put people down for educating themselves is crazy | |||
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"Wow. So many scientists on here and apparently so many athletes comments like this are so childish, what it boils down to is your argument ran out of steam because someone else did their research and educated themselves before arguing their point and you never ... trying to put people down for educating themselves is crazy " I'm not a scientist, but I'm a consumer who can spend her money how she chooses. I also am able to read up on things and find reliable sources *shrug* | |||
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"I will wait to be fully vaccinated, wait for sufficient herd immunity, and will prefer to spend my money in places which only allow the vaccinated and the medically exempt. Are you specifically speaking about swingers club here or all businesses? All, including swinging services if any have such requirements." You're gonna struggle there. I don't disagree with vaccination btw but I certainly will not be asking for proof to enter my business premises. Neither will millions of other businesses. How will you ever know? Apart from the huge conglomerates who 'announce' it, most small businesses won't say a word and even if they did, I'd put my money on it not being enforce after a period of times. Just my opinion | |||
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"I will wait to be fully vaccinated, wait for sufficient herd immunity, and will prefer to spend my money in places which only allow the vaccinated and the medically exempt. Are you specifically speaking about swingers club here or all businesses? All, including swinging services if any have such requirements. You're gonna struggle there. I don't disagree with vaccination btw but I certainly will not be asking for proof to enter my business premises. Neither will millions of other businesses. How will you ever know? Apart from the huge conglomerates who 'announce' it, most small businesses won't say a word and even if they did, I'd put my money on it not being enforce after a period of times. Just my opinion" If I have a choice between one that enforces it and one that doesn't, I'll choose one that does. If I don't, obviously I won't. If I don't, I'll make my choices in other ways. Which may also involve a judgement on their stance on public health. I certainly will not be patronising social spaces before I'm fully vaccinated and it seems herd immunity is at a sufficient level. I vote with my money, which is my absolute right. | |||
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"I will wait to be fully vaccinated, wait for sufficient herd immunity, and will prefer to spend my money in places which only allow the vaccinated and the medically exempt. Are you specifically speaking about swingers club here or all businesses? All, including swinging services if any have such requirements. You're gonna struggle there. I don't disagree with vaccination btw but I certainly will not be asking for proof to enter my business premises. Neither will millions of other businesses. How will you ever know? Apart from the huge conglomerates who 'announce' it, most small businesses won't say a word and even if they did, I'd put my money on it not being enforce after a period of times. Just my opinion If I have a choice between one that enforces it and one that doesn't, I'll choose one that does. If I don't, obviously I won't. If I don't, I'll make my choices in other ways. Which may also involve a judgement on their stance on public health. I certainly will not be patronising social spaces before I'm fully vaccinated and it seems herd immunity is at a sufficient level. I vote with my money, which is my absolute right." Oh, I agree that it is your right to spend where you choose. Absolutely. I just don't personally see it's gonna be as easy as some may think to research every companies stance on it. | |||
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"I will wait to be fully vaccinated, wait for sufficient herd immunity, and will prefer to spend my money in places which only allow the vaccinated and the medically exempt. Are you specifically speaking about swingers club here or all businesses? All, including swinging services if any have such requirements. You're gonna struggle there. I don't disagree with vaccination btw but I certainly will not be asking for proof to enter my business premises. Neither will millions of other businesses. How will you ever know? Apart from the huge conglomerates who 'announce' it, most small businesses won't say a word and even if they did, I'd put my money on it not being enforce after a period of times. Just my opinion If I have a choice between one that enforces it and one that doesn't, I'll choose one that does. If I don't, obviously I won't. If I don't, I'll make my choices in other ways. Which may also involve a judgement on their stance on public health. I certainly will not be patronising social spaces before I'm fully vaccinated and it seems herd immunity is at a sufficient level. I vote with my money, which is my absolute right. Oh, I agree that it is your right to spend where you choose. Absolutely. I just don't personally see it's gonna be as easy as some may think to research every companies stance on it." Those who do have a vaccination policy will be upfront about it, and I'll go out of my way to spend my money there. | |||
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"I will wait to be fully vaccinated, wait for sufficient herd immunity, and will prefer to spend my money in places which only allow the vaccinated and the medically exempt. Are you specifically speaking about swingers club here or all businesses? All, including swinging services if any have such requirements. You're gonna struggle there. I don't disagree with vaccination btw but I certainly will not be asking for proof to enter my business premises. Neither will millions of other businesses. How will you ever know? Apart from the huge conglomerates who 'announce' it, most small businesses won't say a word and even if they did, I'd put my money on it not being enforce after a period of times. Just my opinion If I have a choice between one that enforces it and one that doesn't, I'll choose one that does. If I don't, obviously I won't. If I don't, I'll make my choices in other ways. Which may also involve a judgement on their stance on public health. I certainly will not be patronising social spaces before I'm fully vaccinated and it seems herd immunity is at a sufficient level. I vote with my money, which is my absolute right. Oh, I agree that it is your right to spend where you choose. Absolutely. I just don't personally see it's gonna be as easy as some may think to research every companies stance on it. Those who do have a vaccination policy will be upfront about it, and I'll go out of my way to spend my money there." Good luck. I mean that sincerely. | |||
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