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"The one country that hasn't panicked, flip flopped or imposed draconian knee jerk reactions. Good on them "I agree, but it's also testament to the people of Sweden and their mind set. In Sweden they voluntarily socially distanced, limited their social interactions and were sensible so that the govt didn't need to impose rules. Here in the UK we were advised in March not to go to the pub, yet they were packed, VE-Day Congers and swamped the beaches on bank holidays | |||
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"Anyone out isSweden, just arrived not been out for the last few weeks, Christmas markets, little bit of snow, Christmas music in the pubs and coffee shops - feels like a different world ." Sounds perfect. Lucky you.x | |||
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"I'm pretty certain Sweden didn't have issues with pissed statue defenders either "What is this opinion based on? You do realise Sweden has a terrible history of far right groups attacking immigrants. When i used to travel there in the mid 2000's it was recommended to me by my Swedish host to grow my hair. A shaven head was still seen as a racist hair cut at that time. Also your above post is untrue. They didn't lockdown. Multiple posts in this section of the forum from people who have traveled there through the pandemic, all said it was like a different world, people carrying on as normal like coronavirus hadn't happened. Funny how in a post like this the pro lock down people praise the Swedes for being personally responsible, yet will critise Sweden for not locking down in posts which mention their second wave. | |||
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"The one country that hasn't panicked, flip flopped or imposed draconian knee jerk reactions. Good on them "Yes well done to sweden for not over reacting like others have, it is all about keeping the economy going, business as usual | |||
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"The one country that hasn't panicked, flip flopped or imposed draconian knee jerk reactions. Good on them Yes well done to sweden for not over reacting like others have, it is all about keeping the economy going, business as usual "Well their cases are going up to several thousand a day and they've had over 6000 deaths. They're reportedly considering restrictions similar to ours now. | |||
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"See videos by a guy called Ivor Cummings. (particularly on Sweden) All the sheeple should be made to watch them. They will answer all your fears and doubts. " Yes I watched one of his videos and a recent interview. I found it disturbing that such a seemingly intelligent person can leave himself open to be made to look so embarrassingly stupid. Nobody can state that lockdown doesn't work when it hasn't been tested. We are where we are BECAUSE of lockdowns (or rather social restrictions) across most of the world and I don't see how anyone can argue that we wouldn't be worse off of we took away all the restrictions and potentially overwhelm the health service. It's easy to critise the establishment when you have no fear of having to assume responsibility. Ah well, he has his sheeples too .... | |||
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"See videos by a guy called Ivor Cummings. (particularly on Sweden) All the sheeple should be made to watch them. They will answer all your fears and doubts. Yes I watched one of his videos and a recent interview. I found it disturbing that such a seemingly intelligent person can leave himself open to be made to look so embarrassingly stupid. Nobody can state that lockdown doesn't work when it hasn't been tested. We are where we are BECAUSE of lockdowns (or rather social restrictions) across most of the world and I don't see how anyone can argue that we wouldn't be worse off of we took away all the restrictions and potentially overwhelm the health service. It's easy to critise the establishment when you have no fear of having to assume responsibility. Ah well, he has his sheeples too .... " A chemical engineer has discovered that pretending to know things about nutrition is lucrative. Pandemic hits and he finds another way to make money by pretending to know things and appealing to a different demographic. I'll stick to the people with relevant expertise rather than a grifter jumping to the pandemic  | |||
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"The one country that hasn't panicked, flip flopped or imposed draconian knee jerk reactions. Good on them Yes well done to sweden for not over reacting like others have, it is all about keeping the economy going, business as usual "Pity about the people who die and acquire disabilities, who won't manage to contribute to the economy though | |||
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"See videos by a guy called Ivor Cummings. (particularly on Sweden) All the sheeple should be made to watch them. They will answer all your fears and doubts. Yes I watched one of his videos and a recent interview. I found it disturbing that such a seemingly intelligent person can leave himself open to be made to look so embarrassingly stupid. Nobody can state that lockdown doesn't work when it hasn't been tested. We are where we are BECAUSE of lockdowns (or rather social restrictions) across most of the world and I don't see how anyone can argue that we wouldn't be worse off of we took away all the restrictions and potentially overwhelm the health service. It's easy to critise the establishment when you have no fear of having to assume responsibility. Ah well, he has his sheeples too .... A chemical engineer has discovered that pretending to know things about nutrition is lucrative. Pandemic hits and he finds another way to make money by pretending to know things and appealing to a different demographic. I'll stick to the people with relevant expertise rather than a grifter jumping to the pandemic "To be fair to Cummings he just uses data supplied by the government along with ourworldindata. I also recall seeing one of his videos months ago and his predictions appear to be correct based on how respiratory pathogens have always behaved. | |||
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"See videos by a guy called Ivor Cummings. (particularly on Sweden) All the sheeple should be made to watch them. They will answer all your fears and doubts. Yes I watched one of his videos and a recent interview. I found it disturbing that such a seemingly intelligent person can leave himself open to be made to look so embarrassingly stupid. Nobody can state that lockdown doesn't work when it hasn't been tested. We are where we are BECAUSE of lockdowns (or rather social restrictions) across most of the world and I don't see how anyone can argue that we wouldn't be worse off of we took away all the restrictions and potentially overwhelm the health service. It's easy to critise the establishment when you have no fear of having to assume responsibility. Ah well, he has his sheeples too .... A chemical engineer has discovered that pretending to know things about nutrition is lucrative. Pandemic hits and he finds another way to make money by pretending to know things and appealing to a different demographic. I'll stick to the people with relevant expertise rather than a grifter jumping to the pandemic
To be fair to Cummings he just uses data supplied by the government along with ourworldindata.
I also recall seeing one of his videos months ago and his predictions appear to be correct based on how respiratory pathogens have always behaved."Grifters and charlatans being right occasionally doesn't change what they are. | |||
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"See videos by a guy called Ivor Cummings. (particularly on Sweden) All the sheeple should be made to watch them. They will answer all your fears and doubts. Yes I watched one of his videos and a recent interview. I found it disturbing that such a seemingly intelligent person can leave himself open to be made to look so embarrassingly stupid. Nobody can state that lockdown doesn't work when it hasn't been tested. We are where we are BECAUSE of lockdowns (or rather social restrictions) across most of the world and I don't see how anyone can argue that we wouldn't be worse off of we took away all the restrictions and potentially overwhelm the health service. It's easy to critise the establishment when you have no fear of having to assume responsibility. Ah well, he has his sheeples too .... A chemical engineer has discovered that pretending to know things about nutrition is lucrative. Pandemic hits and he finds another way to make money by pretending to know things and appealing to a different demographic. I'll stick to the people with relevant expertise rather than a grifter jumping to the pandemic
To be fair to Cummings he just uses data supplied by the government along with ourworldindata.
I also recall seeing one of his videos months ago and his predictions appear to be correct based on how respiratory pathogens have always behaved.
Grifters and charlatans being right occasionally doesn't change what they are."Do you have similar criticism of government advisors who also provide wrong data. | |||
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"See videos by a guy called Ivor Cummings. (particularly on Sweden) All the sheeple should be made to watch them. They will answer all your fears and doubts. Yes I watched one of his videos and a recent interview. I found it disturbing that such a seemingly intelligent person can leave himself open to be made to look so embarrassingly stupid. Nobody can state that lockdown doesn't work when it hasn't been tested. We are where we are BECAUSE of lockdowns (or rather social restrictions) across most of the world and I don't see how anyone can argue that we wouldn't be worse off of we took away all the restrictions and potentially overwhelm the health service. It's easy to critise the establishment when you have no fear of having to assume responsibility. Ah well, he has his sheeples too .... A chemical engineer has discovered that pretending to know things about nutrition is lucrative. Pandemic hits and he finds another way to make money by pretending to know things and appealing to a different demographic. I'll stick to the people with relevant expertise rather than a grifter jumping to the pandemic
To be fair to Cummings he just uses data supplied by the government along with ourworldindata.
I also recall seeing one of his videos months ago and his predictions appear to be correct based on how respiratory pathogens have always behaved.
Grifters and charlatans being right occasionally doesn't change what they are.
Do you have similar criticism of government advisors who also provide wrong data."Absolutely. The idea that I trust the government is cute. | |||
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"See videos by a guy called Ivor Cummings. (particularly on Sweden) All the sheeple should be made to watch them. They will answer all your fears and doubts. " Let me guess, it’s on YouTube ? | |||
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"See videos by a guy called Ivor Cummings. (particularly on Sweden) All the sheeple should be made to watch them. They will answer all your fears and doubts. Let me guess, it’s on YouTube ? "For me the problem isn't YouTube, the problem is chemical engineer who normally makes his money in nutrition quackery, saw a goldmine in Covid quackery and leapt at it. I'll stick to the people with relevant expertise who work around the scientific consensus. | |||
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"See videos by a guy called Ivor Cummings. (particularly on Sweden) All the sheeple should be made to watch them. They will answer all your fears and doubts. Let me guess, it’s on YouTube ?
For me the problem isn't YouTube, the problem is chemical engineer who normally makes his money in nutrition quackery, saw a goldmine in Covid quackery and leapt at it.
I'll stick to the people with relevant expertise who work around the scientific consensus."This! Also, YouTube videos aren’t peer reviewed, which is why all of these anti-science hacks use it... If it’s a genuine insight or scientifically backed study then by all means publish it in a reputable scientific journal... | |||
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"Anyone out isSweden, just arrived not been out for the last few weeks, Christmas markets, little bit of snow, Christmas music in the pubs and coffee shops - feels like a different world ." Sounds amazing, New Zealand are practically back to ‘normal’ crowds watching sports etc, what does this mean?  | |||
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"See videos by a guy called Ivor Cummings. (particularly on Sweden) All the sheeple should be made to watch them. They will answer all your fears and doubts. Let me guess, it’s on YouTube ?
For me the problem isn't YouTube, the problem is chemical engineer who normally makes his money in nutrition quackery, saw a goldmine in Covid quackery and leapt at it.
I'll stick to the people with relevant expertise who work around the scientific consensus.
This!
Also, YouTube videos aren’t peer reviewed, which is why all of these anti-science hacks use it... If it’s a genuine insight or scientifically backed study then by all means publish it in a reputable scientific journal..."Peer reviewed data that’s published by the government daily. Where’s that then. The reason I ask is because Cummings uses the data supplied by the government. | |||
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"See videos by a guy called Ivor Cummings. (particularly on Sweden) All the sheeple should be made to watch them. They will answer all your fears and doubts. Let me guess, it’s on YouTube ?
For me the problem isn't YouTube, the problem is chemical engineer who normally makes his money in nutrition quackery, saw a goldmine in Covid quackery and leapt at it.
I'll stick to the people with relevant expertise who work around the scientific consensus.
This!
Also, YouTube videos aren’t peer reviewed, which is why all of these anti-science hacks use it... If it’s a genuine insight or scientifically backed study then by all means publish it in a reputable scientific journal...
Peer reviewed data that’s published by the government daily. Where’s that then.
The reason I ask is because Cummings uses the data supplied by the government."Data can be used and misconstrued. He might take valid data and run off with the pixies with it | |||
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"See videos by a guy called Ivor Cummings. (particularly on Sweden) All the sheeple should be made to watch them. They will answer all your fears and doubts. Let me guess, it’s on YouTube ?
For me the problem isn't YouTube, the problem is chemical engineer who normally makes his money in nutrition quackery, saw a goldmine in Covid quackery and leapt at it.
I'll stick to the people with relevant expertise who work around the scientific consensus."I watched a talking dog on YouTube, it was amazing | |||
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"See videos by a guy called Ivor Cummings. (particularly on Sweden) All the sheeple should be made to watch them. They will answer all your fears and doubts. Let me guess, it’s on YouTube ?
For me the problem isn't YouTube, the problem is chemical engineer who normally makes his money in nutrition quackery, saw a goldmine in Covid quackery and leapt at it.
I'll stick to the people with relevant expertise who work around the scientific consensus.
This!
Also, YouTube videos aren’t peer reviewed, which is why all of these anti-science hacks use it... If it’s a genuine insight or scientifically backed study then by all means publish it in a reputable scientific journal...
Peer reviewed data that’s published by the government daily. Where’s that then.
The reason I ask is because Cummings uses the data supplied by the government.
Data can be used and misconstrued. He might take valid data and run off with the pixies with it"He could. He appears not to. | |||
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"See videos by a guy called Ivor Cummings. (particularly on Sweden) All the sheeple should be made to watch them. They will answer all your fears and doubts. Let me guess, it’s on YouTube ?
For me the problem isn't YouTube, the problem is chemical engineer who normally makes his money in nutrition quackery, saw a goldmine in Covid quackery and leapt at it.
I'll stick to the people with relevant expertise who work around the scientific consensus.
This!
Also, YouTube videos aren’t peer reviewed, which is why all of these anti-science hacks use it... If it’s a genuine insight or scientifically backed study then by all means publish it in a reputable scientific journal...
Peer reviewed data that’s published by the government daily. Where’s that then.
The reason I ask is because Cummings uses the data supplied by the government.
Data can be used and misconstrued. He might take valid data and run off with the pixies with it
He could. He appears not to."I disagree, but it's your prerogative to think as you do. | |||
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"See videos by a guy called Ivor Cummings. (particularly on Sweden) All the sheeple should be made to watch them. They will answer all your fears and doubts. Let me guess, it’s on YouTube ?
For me the problem isn't YouTube, the problem is chemical engineer who normally makes his money in nutrition quackery, saw a goldmine in Covid quackery and leapt at it.
I'll stick to the people with relevant expertise who work around the scientific consensus.
This!
Also, YouTube videos aren’t peer reviewed, which is why all of these anti-science hacks use it... If it’s a genuine insight or scientifically backed study then by all means publish it in a reputable scientific journal...
Peer reviewed data that’s published by the government daily. Where’s that then.
The reason I ask is because Cummings uses the data supplied by the government.
Data can be used and misconstrued. He might take valid data and run off with the pixies with it
He could. He appears not to.
I disagree, but it's your prerogative to think as you do."Thanks. | |||
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"Swedish people are more civilised than us and do not get totally pissed and forget to keep distance etc.They are better behaved. If British people could be trusted to keep distance respect each other space etc we would not need lockdown Lockdown is needed because of stupid arrogance of a lot of the population not the government." Boris has just said in parliament that the British public have been very compliant with restrictions. So I’m not sure where you’re getting your information from Emma | |||
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"Swedish people are more civilised than us and do not get totally pissed and forget to keep distance etc.They are better behaved. If British people could be trusted to keep distance respect each other space etc we would not need lockdown Lockdown is needed because of stupid arrogance of a lot of the population not the government. Boris has just said in parliament that the British public have been very compliant with restrictions. So I’m not sure where you’re getting your information from Emma " You believe what Boris is telling us? | |||
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"Swedish people are more civilised than us and do not get totally pissed and forget to keep distance etc.They are better behaved. If British people could be trusted to keep distance respect each other space etc we would not need lockdown Lockdown is needed because of stupid arrogance of a lot of the population not the government. Boris has just said in parliament that the British public have been very compliant with restrictions. So I’m not sure where you’re getting your information from Emma You believe what Boris is telling us? "He’s as honest as a Swedish winters day is long. | |||
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