FabSwingers.com forum: Antivaxxers the new Barebackers?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Are Antivaxxers the new Barebackers?

Discuss!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes

Maybe

I don’t know!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Where do Brexit views and the woke fit into all this?

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By *assing Fancies xCouple
over a year ago

Sherwood Forest

Nope, it's completely there body and there choice. How many people does the flu kill every year??????? And how many people get there yearly flu vacation to help save the population???

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

No but they're fast becoming the new focus of people's discontent

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If people don't want the vaccine that's fine, more for the rest of us

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Think it’s simple really! If you don’t want the vaccine, you should be able to opt out. But then you should also have to opt out of the NHS treatment for covid at the same time

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By *ounty durham bbw coupleCouple
over a year ago

darlington

Antivaxers are too busy waiting for Donald Trump to save the world from baby eating elite deep state types

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

Ohh my goodness how ridiculous ! Where is the face palm emoji?? X

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By *ickdasterdly51Man
over a year ago

Lingfield

No, I like bareback with the right people who I know intimately and for a long time and can trust.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Probably contrary but methinks yes! Bareback, antivax - their bodies, their choice. And both sets of people will receive treatment on the nhs if there are consequences whatever anyone else may think. Said consequences may be worse in the case of covid as that can impact others around them (which is kinda like smoking - another contrary opinion lol) while barebackers only affect those who consent to have sex with them. You also won't know with either unless they are open/honest about it!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Think it’s simple really! If you don’t want the vaccine, you should be able to opt out. But then you should also have to opt out of the NHS treatment for covid at the same time

If only that were legally possible

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"Think it’s simple really! If you don’t want the vaccine, you should be able to opt out. But then you should also have to opt out of the NHS treatment for covid at the same time

If only that were legally possible

Yes I would do this x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are Antivaxxers the new Barebackers?

Discuss!

It's not an accurate comparison. If memory serves - philosophy PhD's check me on this - I think that, in philosophy this would be termed a "category error"...

Reframe the question.

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

if a person chooses not to have the vaccine thats theyre right and choice as long as they understand that others have the choice and right to exclude them from any place or activity they control or manage be that a concert stadium job transport or location etc

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield

"if a person chooses not to have the vaccine thats theyre right and choice as long as they understand that others have the choice and right to exclude them from any place or activity they control or manage be that a concert stadium job transport or location etc "

So simple, what about the people who are advised not to get vaccinations on medical advice.

Don't know about the covid vaccines but most other vaccines have to be avoided by various groups of people for various reasons

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So simple, what about the people who are advised not to get vaccinations on medical advice.

Don't know about the covid vaccines but most other vaccines have to be avoided by various groups of people for various reasons"

Then they would be exempt and I am sure they will appreciate everyone else getting the vaccine instead to keep them safe

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Think it’s simple really! If you don’t want the vaccine, you should be able to opt out. But then you should also have to opt out of the NHS treatment for covid at the same time

If only that were legally possible

Yes I would do this x"

Well, I hope you have very extensive private medical insurance...

I also hope you carry a card saying you opt out of being taken to an NHS hospital in an emergency...

But something tells me that when your life is on the line, you won't care who saves your life.

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By *DGF20Man
over a year ago

Dublin

I don't see connection between antivaxxers and bareback lovers??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Think it’s simple really! If you don’t want the vaccine, you should be able to opt out. But then you should also have to opt out of the NHS treatment for covid at the same time

If only that were legally possible

Yes I would do this x

Well, I hope you have very extensive private medical insurance...

I also hope you carry a card saying you opt out of being taken to an NHS hospital in an emergency...

But something tells me that when your life is on the line, you won't care who saves your life."

It said opt out of the nhs for covid treatment.

Read posts before you post gibberish lol

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Think it’s simple really! If you don’t want the vaccine, you should be able to opt out. But then you should also have to opt out of the NHS treatment for covid at the same time

If only that were legally possible

Yes I would do this x

Well, I hope you have very extensive private medical insurance...

I also hope you carry a card saying you opt out of being taken to an NHS hospital in an emergency...

But something tells me that when your life is on the line, you won't care who saves your life.

It said opt out of the nhs for covid treatment.

Read posts before you post gibberish lol

Please show me how someone opts out of NHS.

Take some of your own advice please, and read what I posted before talking gibberish

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By *lex46TV/TS
over a year ago

Near Wells

Definitely not, a lot of people would remember, read about or even affected by the Thalidomide scandal and would be concerned about a vaccine being rush out quickly.

I know times have changed but when there is large sums of money involved and pressure on the governments etc, you never know?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I don't see connection between antivaxxers and bareback lovers?? "

Both are frowned apon by many for their contempt of the safety of others

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Why do people care so much?

Take the vaccine or don’t take the vaccine it’s that simple.

If you take the vaccine then you are covered so why the angst about others choices.

I’m gonna take it when I’m able.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Think it’s simple really! If you don’t want the vaccine, you should be able to opt out. But then you should also have to opt out of the NHS treatment for covid at the same time

If only that were legally possible

Yes I would do this x

Well, I hope you have very extensive private medical insurance...

I also hope you carry a card saying you opt out of being taken to an NHS hospital in an emergency...

But something tells me that when your life is on the line, you won't care who saves your life."

There lol read what the guy said then what you posted.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Some people choose homeopathic remedies..

Are people seriously saying they should be deprived of NHS treatment if in a etc?

Sheesh..fablogic..

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

So, is anybody who rejects the vaccine on legitimate safety or ethical grounds now an anti-vaxxer/conspiracy nut/granny killer???

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By *ossdinCouple
over a year ago

CROYDON/GATWICK/BEXHILL

"Definitely not, a lot of people would remember, read about or even affected by the Thalidomide scandal and would be concerned about a vaccine being rush out quickly.

I know times have changed but when there is large sums of money involved and pressure on the governments etc, you never know? "

Amen

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By *ossdinCouple
over a year ago

CROYDON/GATWICK/BEXHILL

Is this still Fabswingers, or has it been changed to Fascistswingers?

Whatever happened to freedom of choice in this country? Some of you need to get lives

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is this still Fabswingers, or has it been changed to Fascistswingers?

Whatever happened to freedom of choice in this country? Some of you need to get lives"

Who said you can’t have freedom of choice ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So, is anybody who rejects the vaccine on legitimate safety or ethical grounds now an anti-vaxxer/conspiracy nut/granny killer???"

Nope, nobody is going to be forced into having a vaccine, it might affect your holiday and leisure options though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We are not anti vaxers but wont be having the Jab anytime soon.

We would rather wait to see if there are any long term side effects before jumping in, its not been tried and tested enough for our liking.

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

Anti vaxxers ?

New barebackers ?

Definitely !

Fuck 'em !

But not physically of course!

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

"So, is anybody who rejects the vaccine on legitimate safety or ethical grounds now an anti-vaxxer/conspiracy nut/granny killer???

Nope, nobody is going to be forced into having a vaccine, it might affect your holiday and leisure options though "

There are other ways than the State taking control of people's bodies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So, is anybody who rejects the vaccine on legitimate safety or ethical grounds now an anti-vaxxer/conspiracy nut/granny killer???

Nope, nobody is going to be forced into having a vaccine, it might affect your holiday and leisure options though

There are other ways than the State taking control of people's bodies."

What do you mean ‘taking control of peoples bodies’ ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So, is anybody who rejects the vaccine on legitimate safety or ethical grounds now an anti-vaxxer/conspiracy nut/granny killer???

Nope, nobody is going to be forced into having a vaccine, it might affect your holiday and leisure options though

There are other ways than the State taking control of people's bodies.

What do you mean ‘taking control of peoples bodies’ ?"

Invasion of the body snatchers

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Anti vaxxers ?

New barebackers ?

Definitely !

Fuck 'em !

But not physically of course! "

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By *rladytoyMan
over a year ago

bournemouth

"We are not anti vaxers but wont be having the Jab anytime soon.

We would rather wait to see if there are any long term side effects before jumping in, its not been tried and tested enough for our liking.

No no no! U cant do that, people will say your a conspiricy theorist, and your 'waiting for trump to save u from the baby eating nwo'. How dare you ? U must go right ahead and put that untried untested never before heard off 'vaccine' straight in your body because the sun, bbc and sky news, oh and people on here tell you that you must!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We are not anti vaxers but wont be having the Jab anytime soon.

We would rather wait to see if there are any long term side effects before jumping in, its not been tried and tested enough for our liking.

Untried? Untested vaccine??

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"So, is anybody who rejects the vaccine on legitimate safety or ethical grounds now an anti-vaxxer/conspiracy nut/granny killer???"

Yes, have you only just realised this?

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By *izandpaulCouple
over a year ago

merseyside

"Are Antivaxxers the new Barebackers?

Discuss!

Bit easier to tell bareback sex to anti vaccine sex.

Do you put in your profile, only meet vaccinated people, please bring certificate.

For us, meets will start again when we feel comfortable, not before.

When will that be, not sure.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It's a personal preference and choice, preferably driven by reputable scientific evidence, rather than the dangerous lies that have been made the general antivax movement so dirty.

It's good that there is now strong movement in getting the antivaxx movement from spreading malicious lies to manipulate the vulnerable now.

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

"So, is anybody who rejects the vaccine on legitimate safety or ethical grounds now an anti-vaxxer/conspiracy nut/granny killer???

Nope, nobody is going to be forced into having a vaccine, it might affect your holiday and leisure options though

There are other ways than the State taking control of people's bodies.

What do you mean ‘taking control of peoples bodies’ ?"

That a person may only resume a semi normal life if they are forced to consent to having a certain alteration to their body, irrespective of their wishes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So, is anybody who rejects the vaccine on legitimate safety or ethical grounds now an anti-vaxxer/conspiracy nut/granny killer???

Nope, nobody is going to be forced into having a vaccine, it might affect your holiday and leisure options though

There are other ways than the State taking control of people's bodies.

What do you mean ‘taking control of peoples bodies’ ?

That a person may only resume a semi normal life if they are forced to consent to having a certain alteration to their body, irrespective of their wishes."

Alteration to their body? Why would anyone want to do this if it wasn’t beneficial to themselves and to society in general ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Think it’s simple really! If you don’t want the vaccine, you should be able to opt out. But then you should also have to opt out of the NHS treatment for covid at the same time

If only that were legally possible

Are we including withdrawing nhs treatment for smokers and drinkers.

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

"So, is anybody who rejects the vaccine on legitimate safety or ethical grounds now an anti-vaxxer/conspiracy nut/granny killer???

Nope, nobody is going to be forced into having a vaccine, it might affect your holiday and leisure options though

There are other ways than the State taking control of people's bodies.

What do you mean ‘taking control of peoples bodies’ ?

That a person may only resume a semi normal life if they are forced to consent to having a certain alteration to their body, irrespective of their wishes.

Alteration to their body? Why would anyone want to do this if it wasn’t beneficial to themselves and to society in general ? "

A lot of people have concerns about potential side effects or the safety of the vaccine given that around 10 years of work has been condensed into 10 months.

There are also some who may object on ethical grounds (those against animal testing for example).

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire

A lot of people have concerns about potential side effects or the safety of the vaccine given that around 10 years of work has been condensed into 10 months.

There are also some who may object on ethical grounds (those against animal testing for example).

Oh the ten year thing again.

I thought that had been explained quite adequately, repeatedly.

The testing seems to have been on humans more than animals, so don't really see that holding much water either.

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

A lot of people have concerns about potential side effects or the safety of the vaccine given that around 10 years of work has been condensed into 10 months.

There are also some who may object on ethical grounds (those against animal testing for example).

Oh the ten year thing again.

I thought that had been explained quite adequately, repeatedly.

The testing seems to have been on humans more than animals, so don't really see that holding much water either."

Concern over longer term effects? It's a brand new "wonder" drug, it's inevitable some will be cautious or sceptical.

Also, some are very hard line in their beliefs and ethics. Any testing involving on animals will be an instant red flag.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Think it’s simple really! If you don’t want the vaccine, you should be able to opt out. But then you should also have to opt out of the NHS treatment for covid at the same time

If only that were legally possible

Are we including withdrawing nhs treatment for smokers and drinkers."

Smoking and drinking isn’t a virus that could easily spread through the country. Smoking and drinking is a choice that only hurts those doing it. If you have a gin, it won’t kill someone else.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are Antivaxxers the new Barebackers?

Discuss!

I dont think thats very fair saying that now

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

"Think it’s simple really! If you don’t want the vaccine, you should be able to opt out. But then you should also have to opt out of the NHS treatment for covid at the same time

If only that were legally possible

Are we including withdrawing nhs treatment for smokers and drinkers.

Smoking and drinking isn’t a virus that could easily spread through the country. Smoking and drinking is a choice that only hurts those doing it. If you have a gin, it won’t kill someone else. "

Drink driving?

Domestic Violence?

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

So question for the anti vaxers.

What exactly do you think is the solution to the virus then?

What do you think the government should have done, not produce a vacation and just let people keep dying indefinitely?

Or test the vaccine for the next 10-20 year's to wait and see what long term side effects may happen.

Then release the vaccine?

How many deaths is acceptable against the possibility of side effects?

Do you honestly believe that the government would knowingly vaccinate millions and millions of people knowing that it is going to harm them, if so what benefit would it.

Please answer my questions.

Also

It's going to be 100% certain that people are going to have a reaction to the vaccine and yes there may be people who have severe reactions and sadly die, it's the law of averages given the amount of people being vaccinated.

But oh god won't we just hear about it , ignoring the thou_ands upon thou_ands if not hundreds of thou_ands who will live due to the vaccine.

Every medication out there usually comes with a huge list of potential side effects, it's being logical and analytical weighing up the risks of the possible side effects against the very real risks when one has covid.

So ponder on this anti vaxer

Who's saying I don't care I'll take my chances with covid,I'm a young and healthy 35 year old I'll be fine.

Ok perhaps you will in which case brilliant much like the many millions of people who get flu every year and recover and they are fine.

However what about when you get to 50 or 60, suddenly your not so young and healthy and you get covid?

Maybe this time you won't be so lucky? Would you still be against the vaccine?

Speaking as someone who has recently had covid and was very very sick and weeks on struggling to live a normal life, trust me I will be first in the queue for the vaccine.

I hope you all have long healthy lives and same for your families and hopefully your choice not to be vaccinated is a good one but I equally hope that you don't regret it and you or a member of your family become unwell or worse as a result of not having vaccine.

Because trust me, it's not just about being sick for a few days for many countless people this virus is going to be a life altering thing.

Finally

It's your choice as it's mine too have it but are you making the decision based on sound scientific evidence or as I suspect with many it's to be different and a finger up to the establishment?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At this point in time to be perfectly frank my motivation for not getting the vaccine; at least not to begin with; are shifting.

Initially I was against it because I'm not keen on trusting the people who tout the "opportunities for a great reset" that Covid brings as they walk menacingly towards me with an experimental cocktail in a hypodermic.

Now, to be honest the fact that it pisses off so many of the kinds of people performing like wind up dolls in threads like this is fast becoming a far more positive motivation.

If we can just find a way to turn sanctimonious smugness into heat, we will have finally cracked the energy crisis...

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By *LIRTWITHUSCouple
over a year ago

Chester

Not everyone can tolerate chemicals in their body, severe reaction even from gold standard medication so how can you comment they are barebackers

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By *exy Pretty FeetCouple
over a year ago

Live in Scotland Play in England

"Definitely not, a lot of people would remember, read about or even affected by the Thalidomide scandal and would be concerned about a vaccine being rush out quickly.

I know times have changed but when there is large sums of money involved and pressure on

the governments etc, you never know? "

Indeed. The safety regulations that were introduced as a result of the thalidomide disaster have been vital in preventing a repeat of that. Yet the same rigour is not being applied in the race to approve any COVID vaccine. And they know it. That’s why the government was/is seeking to exempt the vaccine developers from any liability resulting from any adverse outcomes. If everything was above board, there would be no need for a get out clause would there?

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By *andyMinx_tvTV/TS
over a year ago

Leeds

"At this point in time to be perfectly frank my motivation for not getting the vaccine; at least not to begin with; are shifting.

Now, to be honest the fact that it pisses off so many of the kinds of people performing like wind up dolls in threads like this is fast becoming a far more positive motivation.

If we can just find a way to turn sanctimonious smugness into heat, we will have finally cracked the energy crisis..."

Wonderful. Eloquence, wit and intelligence at it's finest

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A lot of people have concerns about potential side effects or the safety of the vaccine given that around 10 years of work has been condensed into 10 months.

There are also some who may object on ethical grounds (those against animal testing for example).

Oh the ten year thing again.

I thought that had been explained quite adequately, repeatedly.

The testing seems to have been on humans more than animals, so don't really see that holding much water either.

Concern over longer term effects? It's a brand new "wonder" drug, it's inevitable some will be cautious or sceptical.

Also, some are very hard line in their beliefs and ethics. Any testing involving on animals will be an instant red flag."

Alot of work on this vaccine took place almost 20 years ago with SARS and MERS. That combined with the fact it was sequenced quickly and unprecedented amounts of money and time devoted have been devoted to it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am anti vax and I don't care what you think. I am sick and tired of seeing people that are anti vax getting slandered on Facebook, twitter et al. We have good reason to feel this way and simply attacking us or bad mouthing us is not going to change our minds. We will not be silenced. I for sure will never have another one again. No chance, I don't care what you say to try and convince me, I've fallen for that trap too many times before. They are the absolutely worst brand of vacuum cleaner. Henry Hoover all the way for me!

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

"Definitely not, a lot of people would remember, read about or even affected by the Thalidomide scandal and would be concerned about a vaccine being rush out quickly.

I know times have changed but when there is large sums of money involved and pressure on

the governments etc, you never know?

Firstly thalidomide is not a vaccine. It happened about 50 years ago science has progressed an awful lot, thalidomide was a chirality problem. Vaccine manufacturers can still be sued just not in all circumstances. The same rigor is being applied for this vaccine as any other drugs or vaccine. Having been involved in licencing drugs, not vaccines, the past the main things that slow licencing is lack of money resources or will. None of these are lacking in this case.

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By *exy Pretty FeetCouple
over a year ago

Live in Scotland Play in England

"Definitely not, a lot of people would remember, read about or even affected by the Thalidomide scandal and would be concerned about a vaccine being rush out quickly.

I know times have changed but when there is large sums of money involved and pressure on

the governments etc, you never know?

Bet your life on that would you?

There are a fair few with a rather close up view of what is (and isn’t) happening on the trial front who wouldn’t be so sure I think...

Someone I know at one of the participating sites, who is experienced in the organization and delivery of clinical trials, and who worked on delivery of this, described the Oxford team as shambolic: "one of the worst teams we have ever worked with - startlingly so".

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By *exy Pretty FeetCouple
over a year ago

Live in Scotland Play in England

Feel free to look up the recently published lancet article with findings from the phase 2/3 trial of the Oxford vaccine outlining the nonsensical design of their study

Before we even get onto their findings, it’s comparator groups are inexplicably unevenly weighted

Between May 30 and Aug 8, 2020, 560 participants were enrolled:

160 aged 18–55 years (100 assigned to ChAdOx1 nCoV-19, 60 assigned to MenACWY),

Why not 80 novel vaccine: 80 control vaccine

160 aged 56–69 years (120 assigned to ChAdOx1 nCoV-19: 40 assigned to MenACWY),

Why not 60 novel vaccine: 60 control vaccine

and 240 aged 70 years and older (200 assigned to ChAdOx1 nCoV-19: 40 assigned to MenACWY).

Why not 100 novel vaccine: 100 control vaccine

If they can’t even get the basic maths right at the outset, what’s the point going any further?

Let’s not even get into the wisdom of the control group being given another vaccine in place of the typical placebo ... even an empty vector would’ve been better! I’ve honestly never known any trial to test a novel vaccine against another vaccine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Think it’s simple really! If you don’t want the vaccine, you should be able to opt out. But then you should also have to opt out of the NHS treatment for covid at the same time

Don’t stop there, you could exclude most of the population from nhs treatment for their lifestyle choices! Then they who haven’t sinned will be able to cast their stones. Let’s not be hysterical

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By *uvhandle20Man
over a year ago

SE London

Yes and no. In the 1970s and 80s when AIDS started, a lot of gay barebackers thought they were invincible and that they could carry on. They were wrong as were a lot of straight and bi-people had to learn.

Barebacking or any other unprotected close human interaction has its risks, always had and always will be.

But they can be prevented by simple precautions and protections, like using condoms.

There are a lot of diseases you can prevent with a good vaccine. Small pox is history thanks to a coordinated world wide effort, polio is coming back due to vaccination effort being challenged in some countries. Mumps and Measles are common again.

Covid-19 is not an infection I like to have, it has some very nasty symptoms and most likely it has some very long term damages. When a vaccine is available I am going to get it, not only to protect myself, but also to protect my family and my friends

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"Feel free to look up the recently published lancet article with findings from the phase 2/3 trial of the Oxford vaccine outlining the nonsensical design of their study

Before we even get onto their findings, it’s comparator groups are inexplicably unevenly weighted

Between May 30 and Aug 8, 2020, 560 participants were enrolled:

160 aged 18–55 years (100 assigned to ChAdOx1 nCoV-19, 60 assigned to MenACWY),

Why not 80 novel vaccine: 80 control vaccine

160 aged 56–69 years (120 assigned to ChAdOx1 nCoV-19: 40 assigned to MenACWY),

Why not 60 novel vaccine: 60 control vaccine

and 240 aged 70 years and older (200 assigned to ChAdOx1 nCoV-19: 40 assigned to MenACWY).

Why not 100 novel vaccine: 100 control vaccine

If they can’t even get the basic maths right at the outset, what’s the point going any further?

You're asking us these questions but don't pose any potential solutions.

It isn't always necessary to have equal numbers of participants at every stage of a trial. There are also practical considerations to take account of too.

Using a vaccine that may produce some side effects as the control condition, instead of an inert substance, does have some value. It makes it harder for participants to be able to guess whether they really got the new vaccine or not. This could mean that both groups could benefit from an equivalent placebo effect level, due to belief in it working. There are other benefits too.

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By *ossdinCouple
over a year ago

CROYDON/GATWICK/BEXHILL

"I am anti vax and I don't care what you think. I am sick and tired of seeing people that are anti vax getting slandered on Facebook, twitter et al. We have good reason to feel this way and simply attacking us or bad mouthing us is not going to change our minds. We will not be silenced. I for sure will never have another one again. No chance, I don't care what you say to try and convince me, I've fallen for that trap too many times before. They are the absolutely worst brand of vacuum cleaner. Henry Hoover all the way for me!"

What he said

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By *arakiss12TV/TS
over a year ago

Bedford

It's not so much anti vaccine per se, it's more a worry if the vaccine fucks you up will your case be buried or dismissed as part of the 1% failure, as the majority of people have had a good result with it.

The question is do you want to risk being part of the 1%?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So question for the anti vaxers.

What exactly do you think is the solution to the virus then?

What do you think the government should have done, not produce a vacation and just let people keep dying indefinitely?

Or test the vaccine for the next 10-20 year's to wait and see what long term side effects may happen.

Then release the vaccine?

How many deaths is acceptable against the possibility of side effects?

Do you honestly believe that the government would knowingly vaccinate millions and millions of people knowing that it is going to harm them, if so what benefit would it.

Please answer my questions.

Also

But oh god won't we just hear about it , ignoring the thou_ands upon thou_ands if not hundreds of thou_ands who will live due to the vaccine.

So ponder on this anti vaxer

Who's saying I don't care I'll take my chances with covid,I'm a young and healthy 35 year old I'll be fine.

Ok perhaps you will in which case brilliant much like the many millions of people who get flu every year and recover and they are fine.

However what about when you get to 50 or 60, suddenly your not so young and healthy and you get covid?

Maybe this time you won't be so lucky? Would you still be against the vaccine?

Speaking as someone who has recently had covid and was very very sick and weeks on struggling to live a normal life, trust me I will be first in the queue for the vaccine.

Because trust me, it's not just about being sick for a few days for many countless people this virus is going to be a life altering thing.

Finally

It's your choice as it's mine too have it but are you making the decision based on sound scientific evidence or as I suspect with many it's to be different and a finger up to the establishment?"

Excellent post. Wishing you well in your continued recovery.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"At this point in time to be perfectly frank my motivation for not getting the vaccine; at least not to begin with; are shifting.

Now, to be honest the fact that it pisses off so many of the kinds of people performing like wind up dolls in threads like this is fast becoming a far more positive motivation.

If we can just find a way to turn sanctimonious smugness into heat, we will have finally cracked the energy crisis..."

So your main source of motivation for not being vaccinated now is because it pisses the sanctimoniously smug off? And originally it was because of the ‘great reset’ conspiracy?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What he said

What a sucker

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By *andsCouple
over a year ago

south birmingham

"Are Antivaxxers the new Barebackers?

Discuss!

no comparison, the kung flu doesnt bother me, might do in later years, 80s..

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

No, everyone is doing it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are Antivaxxers the new Barebackers?

Discuss!

Pro covid vaxxers are the new barebackers.

In the same way barebacking has the risk of sti's, covid vax has the risk of side effects and unknown long term effects.

Both are taking a risk on your health.

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By *ensual massagerMan
over a year ago

Bolton

The problem I'm having with the 'vaccine' is how and why would they be working on a Covid 19 vaccination in January when nobody had heard of it till February and WHO didn't declare it a pandemic till later?

How can you vaccinate against something you haven't got a sample of?

Not one country has a sample of Covid 19 even now.

What are they vaccinating against?

Some say you'll have to carry a card to say you've been vaccinated. So, identity cards by the back door?

Now, rejected dozens of times previously but now the majority of people want this identity card and

vilify others that haven't got one.

I can foresee a new black market trade in snide vaccination cards.

Alternatively, a trace in the vaccination to know whether you've had the vaccine or not.

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By *ilkChocManMan
over a year ago

Sanderstead

I'm all for vaccination, but there are just too many unknowns at present, especially given the timeframe these are being brought to mkt.

Issue I have is if I want to travel, country I'm going to might insist on it, then a bit stuffed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why is it assumed that people that don't want the covid vaccination are antivaxxers?!

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By *ab jamesMan
over a year ago

ribble valley

"Why is it assumed that people that don't want the covid vaccination are antivaxxers?! "

Well? Are you an anti vaxxer?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why is it assumed that people that don't want the covid vaccination are antivaxxers?!

Well? Are you an anti vaxxer?

No... My child had all of his as did I but I have never had a flu jab nor shall I be getting this one any time soon, I don't think... Not sure I would bd offered it yet anyway so...

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By *anarkshirelassCouple
over a year ago

lanarkshire

"I'm all for vaccination, but there are just too many unknowns at present, especially given the timeframe these are being brought to mkt.

Issue I have is if I want to travel, country I'm going to might insist on it, then a bit stuffed."

I think it will become essential to prove you've had a course of vaccination before you're allowed to travel or allowed into another country country.

Simplistic in my view...if you want a holiday and to travel then have the vaccination.

If you don't have the vaccination, then don't bleat or moan that you cant have a foreign holiday or travel.

Something tells me most of the anti-vaccine brigade will quickly change their minds if those circumstance's actually do arise.

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

"Why is it assumed that people that don't want the covid vaccination are antivaxxers?! "

Because scapegoating makes the mobs lives so much simpler and convenient.

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By *ossdinCouple
over a year ago

CROYDON/GATWICK/BEXHILL

"Are Antivaxxers the new Barebackers?

Discuss!

Pro covid vaxxers are the new barebackers.

In the same way barebacking has the risk of sti's, covid vax has the risk of side effects and unknown long term effects.

Both are taking a risk on your health.

Absolutely

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire

What complete rubbish bit like the stupid bloody threads on here and opinions

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By *andR510Couple
over a year ago

St Neots/Wisbech

"Are Antivaxxers the new Barebackers?

Discuss!

Considering 18500 died from the rushed swine flu vaccine, I think people have every right to question this new and even more rushed vaccine.

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"The problem I'm having with the 'vaccine' is how and why would they be working on a Covid 19 vaccination in January when nobody had heard of it till February and WHO didn't declare it a pandemic till later?

How can you vaccinate against something you haven't got a sample of?

Not one country has a sample of Covid 19 even now.

What are they vaccinating against?

Some say you'll have to carry a card to say you've been vaccinated. So, identity cards by the back door?

Now, rejected dozens of times previously but now the majority of people want this identity card and

vilify others that haven't got one.

I can foresee a new black market trade in snide vaccination cards.

Alternatively, a trace in the vaccination to know whether you've had the vaccine or not.

"
Well said, just what I thought too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"At this point in time to be perfectly frank my motivation for not getting the vaccine; at least not to begin with; are shifting.

Now, to be honest the fact that it pisses off so many of the kinds of people performing like wind up dolls in threads like this is fast becoming a far more positive motivation.

If we can just find a way to turn sanctimonious smugness into heat, we will have finally cracked the energy crisis...

So your main source of motivation for not being vaccinated now is because it pisses the sanctimoniously smug off? And originally it was because of the ‘great reset’ conspiracy?"

Oh it's both, but right now I'm choosing to lift up the positive motivation of pissing people like you off higher than the motivation of justified mistrust.

You can call the great reset a conspiracy if you like; we all know your sort enjoy a thought terminating cliche; but it's the first conspiracy theory I've ever seen which has its own web pages published by the organisation of the original author of an actual book, advocated by that same global organisation which hosts world leaders annually; and at the same time has multiple of those leaders literally saying that they plan to take advantage of the opportunity of the same said "conspiracy theory" in public speeches.

If it is a conspiracy, it's a really really incompetent one, because they can't stop talking about it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Contrary to your post, Thalidomide was developed as a cancer treatment and is still very common. They found that it was also effective against 'morning sickness' and was thus a disaster as we all know. Anti-vaxers can make that choice but try not to become paranoid when you do get a dose of C19 and everyone laughs

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire

"Are Antivaxxers the new Barebackers?

Discuss!

Considering 18500 died from the rushed swine flu vaccine, I think people have every right to question this new and even more rushed vaccine. "

That was back in the 1970's, so well over 40 years ago.

Do you not imagine that things may have progressed just a little bit since then?

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By *andR510Couple
over a year ago

St Neots/Wisbech

"Are Antivaxxers the new Barebackers?

Discuss!

Considering 18500 died from the rushed swine flu vaccine, I think people have every right to question this new and even more rushed vaccine.

That was back in the 1970's, so well over 40 years ago.

Do you not imagine that things may have progressed just a little bit since then?

Explain the narcolepsy law suits since the roll out in 2009 then ?

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By *exy Pretty FeetCouple
over a year ago

Live in Scotland Play in England

"Are Antivaxxers the new Barebackers?

Discuss!

Considering 18500 died from the rushed swine flu vaccine, I think people have every right to question this new and even more rushed vaccine.

That was back in the 1970's, so well over 40 years ago.

Do you not imagine that things may have progressed just a little bit since then?

Maybe

Maybe not

Consider the track record of just one company say Pfizer

2004- reached a $60 million settlement of a class action law suit brought by users of a diabetes drug which was withdrawn after scores of patients died of acute liver failure

Same year, agreed to suspend advertising for a medication relating to a Merck painkiller that was found to have dangerous side effects. The FOLLOWING year Pfizer admitted that a 1999(!) clinical trial had found that elderly patients taking the medication had a greatly elevated risk of heart problems

In 2005, they withdrew another painkiller and announced they were setting aside $ 894 million to settle law suits relating to these two painkillers

In 2009 they acquired the Wyeth company and inherited 14 pages of product liability cases including hormone therapy, childhood vaccines, antidepressant Effexor and contraceptive Norplant. their combination diet drug Fen-phen was withdrawn following reports that its use was linked to possibly fatal heart valve damage unleashing tens of thou_ands of lawsuits against the company.

Excuse me if I don’t stand on the sidelines and cheer big pharma with a ra-ra-ra

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are Antivaxxers the new Barebackers?

Discuss!

Considering 18500 died from the rushed swine flu vaccine, I think people have every right to question this new and even more rushed vaccine.

That was back in the 1970's, so well over 40 years ago.

Do you not imagine that things may have progressed just a little bit since then?

Maybe

Maybe not

Consider the track record of just one company say Pfizer

2004- reached a $60 million settlement of a class action law suit brought by users of a diabetes drug which was withdrawn after scores of patients died of acute liver failure

In 2005, they withdrew another painkiller and announced they were setting aside $ 894 million to settle law suits relating to these two painkillers

Excuse me if I don’t stand on the sidelines and cheer big pharma with a ra-ra-ra

They don’t intend to profit from the drugs they make it just happens and they want us to get better so they never need to sell drugs again!!!! Please excuse my sarcasm and cynicism.

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By *ensual massagerMan
over a year ago

Bolton

How can you vaccinate against something you haven't got a sample of?

Not one country has a sample of Covid 19 even now.

What are they vaccinating against?

Some say you'll have to carry a card to say you've been vaccinated. So, identity cards by the back door?

Now, rejected dozens of times previously but now the majority of people want this identity card and

vilify others that haven't got one.

I can foresee a new black market trade in snide vaccination cards.

Alternatively, a trace in the vaccination to know whether you've had the vaccine or not.

Well said, just what I thought too

Thank you

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By *ensual massagerMan
over a year ago

Bolton

I think it will become essential to prove you've had a course of vaccination before you're allowed to travel or allowed into another country country.

Simplistic in my view...if you want a holiday and to travel then have the vaccination.

If you don't have the vaccination, then don't bleat or moan that you cant have a foreign holiday or travel.

Something tells me most of the anti-vaccine brigade will quickly change their minds if those circumstance's actually do arise.

Let's just see what the situation is rather than scaremongering.

I certainly won't have a problem with anyone if they choose not to have a vaccination.

If the vaccine is designed to prevent a person getting it then why would it concern those who have had the vaccination?

Now, if 80% of any country takes up the vaccine then the 80% have absolutely nothing to worry about. The 20% are only putting themselves at risk so why would that prevent foreign travel?

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

"Are Antivaxxers the new Barebackers?

Discuss!

It hasn't yet been shown that being vaccinated will stop people passing in the virus

It has been shown that condoms will substantially reduce the risks of passing on STDs

So ... No ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it will become essential to prove you've had a course of vaccination before you're allowed to travel or allowed into another country country.

Simplistic in my view...if you want a holiday and to travel then have the vaccination.

If you don't have the vaccination, then don't bleat or moan that you cant have a foreign holiday or travel.

Something tells me most of the anti-vaccine brigade will quickly change their minds if those circumstance's actually do arise.

Let's just see what the situation is rather than scaremongering.

I certainly won't have a problem with anyone if they choose not to have a vaccination.

If the vaccine is designed to prevent a person getting it then why would it concern those who have had the vaccination?

Now, if 80% of any country takes up the vaccine then the 80% have absolutely nothing to worry about. The 20% are only putting themselves at risk so why would that prevent foreign travel? "

So if you don’t have the vaccination your right to travel will be revoked! So the powers that be can control the borders when they really want to.