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"I’m intrigued how they are going to enforce how many are sat around a dining table in a private property." There will be a lot of Turkey funerals I suppose  | |||
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"Is that Scrooge there OP. Almost sounds like you are looking forward to it." Nah I love it really lol We normally have a quiet family at home day on Christmas and a big family get together on boxing day Two quiet days will have to do this year It's the build up thats going to be shit, the parties, Christmas markets and that sort of thing even the school nativity plays. For me it's the first three weeks of December that's so enjoyable. And the nights out between Christmas and new year | |||
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"I’m intrigued how they are going to enforce how many are sat around a dining table in a private property." They won't and they can't. The lockdown restrictions will be magically lifted in time for last minute shopping and Christmas. Then most probably slapped on again in early Jan. | |||
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"I’m intrigued how they are going to enforce how many are sat around a dining table in a private property. They won't and they can't. The lockdown restrictions will be magically lifted in time for last minute shopping and Christmas. Then most probably slapped on again in early Jan." Yeah be eat out to help out Dec, then your fault lock up Jan, abusers always blame victims  | |||
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"Christmas will be what you make it. Extraordinary times. Yes. Then it's time for Extraordinary solutions. " | |||
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"The fact remains, that if this government had got things right in the beginning we now wouldnt be in this situation. Blaming Joe public is wrong although some havnt helped here. It all stems from this governments inept performance It's time people started asking direct questions After watching that program last night on channel 4 I wouldn't give, any of them the lickings of a dog. Piers Morgan was maybe right this morning, asking Matt Hancock why hasn't he resigned yet " So if you were pm what would you have done different and where would we be now ? It seems pretty much every country in the world is in a similar place | |||
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"Ah well there's always 2022" Me and my family have already had this conversation.... we have said we can do Xmas and thanksgiving in July if it’s on the other side..... If it means that people will be around for Xmas 2021 by skipping Xmas 2020... we are all for that! | |||
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"It’s down to you if Christmas Happens.. Me and my Family are having the same Christmas we do every year
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"Speak for yourself. We’re planing on having a great Christmas with our children "No granny's or grandads though  | |||
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"Ah well there's always 2022 Me and my family have already had this conversation.... we have said we can do Xmas and thanksgiving in July if it’s on the other side..... If it means that people will be around for Xmas 2021 by skipping Xmas 2020... we are all for that!" Good idea, trade 6 months for a lifetime. | |||
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"I’m intrigued how they are going to enforce how many are sat around a dining table in a private property. They won't and they can't. The lockdown restrictions will be magically lifted in time for last minute shopping and Christmas. Then most probably slapped on again in early Jan." Can hear the mutterings at the cabinet table from here - "We've got to give the plebs a Christmas old chap" | |||
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"Most the houses in our street switched their Christmas lights on last Sunday Everyone switched them on at 18.00 (6.00pm)" So you are all as daft as wach other. Glad i don't live in your street. | |||
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"Most the houses in our street switched their Christmas lights on last Sunday Everyone switched them on at 18.00 (6.00pm) So you are all as daft as wach other. Glad i don't live in your street." Why is there so much bitterness and ugliness on this site?  just because it’s not something you’d take part in doesn’t make it daft! The street got together and made the most of a shitty situation..I think it’s a lovely idea because that’s good ole HUMANITY!
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"Most the houses in our street switched their Christmas lights on last Sunday Everyone switched them on at 18.00 (6.00pm) So you are all as daft as wach other. Glad i don't live in your street. Why is there so much bitterness and ugliness on this site? just because it’s not something you’d take part in doesn’t make it daft! The street got together and made the most of a shitty situation..I think it’s a lovely idea because that’s good ole HUMANITY!
Those who make snide remarks are the Daft ones "Well said | |||
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"Most the houses in our street switched their Christmas lights on last Sunday Everyone switched them on at 18.00 (6.00pm) So you are all as daft as wach other. Glad i don't live in your street. Why is there so much bitterness and ugliness on this site? just because it’s not something you’d take part in doesn’t make it daft! The street got together and made the most of a shitty situation..I think it’s a lovely idea because that’s good ole HUMANITY!
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"Most the houses in our street switched their Christmas lights on last Sunday Everyone switched them on at 18.00 (6.00pm) So you are all as daft as wach other. Glad i don't live in your street. Why is there so much bitterness and ugliness on this site? just because it’s not something you’d take part in doesn’t make it daft! The street got together and made the most of a shitty situation..I think it’s a lovely idea because that’s good ole HUMANITY!
Those who make snide remarks are the Daft ones "Well it is November which has nothing to do with Xmas. If your neighbours switched their lights on in June would you do the same?. Not making snide comments just giving my honest opinion. | |||
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So If people want Xmas lights in July then why the fuck not Go for it | |||
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"I’m intrigued how they are going to enforce how many are sat around a dining table in a private property. They won't and they can't. The lockdown restrictions will be magically lifted in time for last minute shopping and Christmas. Then most probably slapped on again in early Jan. Can hear the mutterings at the cabinet table from here - "We've got to give the plebs a Christmas old chap"" You only have to read above, the plebs are having Christmas if it is given or not then will blame government for the shit recalling hitting the fan in January | |||
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"I’m intrigued how they are going to enforce how many are sat around a dining table in a private property. They won't and they can't. The lockdown restrictions will be magically lifted in time for last minute shopping and Christmas. Then most probably slapped on again in early Jan. Can hear the mutterings at the cabinet table from here - "We've got to give the plebs a Christmas old chap" You only have to read above, the plebs are having Christmas if it is given or not then will blame government for the shit recalling hitting the fan in January"I won’t be blaming anyone and yep I will be having Xmas | |||
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"The fact remains, that if this government had got things right in the beginning we now wouldnt be in this situation. Blaming Joe public is wrong although some havnt helped here. It all stems from this governments inept performance It's time people started asking direct questions After watching that program last night on channel 4 I wouldn't give, any of them the lickings of a dog. Piers Morgan was maybe right this morning, asking Matt Hancock why hasn't he resigned yet So if you were pm what would you have done different and where would we be now ? It seems pretty much every country in the world is in a similar place" 1. I wouldn't have been having holidays while the crisis was building everywhere else in the world. 2. I wouldn't have done absolutely jack shit about controlling travel in and out of the British Isles - we are an island, the virus couldn't just walk over a border and get here. 3. I would have halted unnecessary mass gatherings at least a month earlier. 4. I would have put strict controls on unnecessary long distance travel around the country, to delay any pocket outbreaks. 5. All goods import/export would be by use of sealed shipping containers that were taken to dockyards by the locals of the origin country, loaded onto vessels by cranes, unloaded at the other side by cranes, and removed by locals of the destination country. Crews of the ships staying on board, not alighting in either country without passing through a quarantine period. 6. Any persons with unavoidable need for international travel to be quarantined on way back, with full pay by government. 7. Set up a proper tracking and tracing system, making preparations while we were still hearing about the problems overseas, before the first covid infections even arrived in the UK. 8. Target testing at movement into the country and at outbreaks. 9. Fully fund from government compensation and quarantine for traced contacts of cases. 10. Use fully separate isolation hospitals for the, what would have been, very small number of cases. All staff at these hospitals given large bonus payments to have a work rota involving one month living on the premises, two weeks quarantine isolation, two weeks at home. 11. No foreign holidays for anyone for the duration, but all pre-booked holidays fully refunded by government. Result: Tiny number of cases, fewer deaths. Some controls on people's behaviour, but largely the freedom to live in a covid free country. No cancellations of hospital treatments. No financial stress for people because government money would be targeted at the relative few affected (it's cheaper to fully fund say one twentieth of the population than it is to partially fund more than half the population). Economy would have taken a minor hit, but be far ahead of continental europe countries that don't have the amazing advantage of being surrounded by sea. All this was possible, was predictable based on the dead swan exercise (or whatever it was called) a few years ago, and upon the wealth of information that had been built up before the first infected people came into the UK. It would have required actual intelligence and responsibility in government, a willingness to make complex decisions, a dedication to do what was best for the people and long term future of the UK. A ruthlessness to come down hard on any person that blatently flouted the necessary regulations, or that was found diverting emergency funds into their own pockets - not just including those high in government, but making a special example out of anyone high in government found to be breaking the rules. Where we would be now: A country primed to come through the crisis with a sound economy, 50 thousand odd people not dead, an unknown number not suffering life changing long term symptoms, children getting proper schooling, adults studying normally at universities, gyms/restaurants/pubs/shops/cinemas/clubs all open. | |||
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So If people want Xmas lights in July then why the fuck not Go for it "Exactly, after all it has been a very very unusual year, so why not try to make the best of it in your own way | |||
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"The fact remains, that if this government had got things right in the beginning we now wouldnt be in this situation. Blaming Joe public is wrong although some havnt helped here. It all stems from this governments inept performance It's time people started asking direct questions After watching that program last night on channel 4 I wouldn't give, any of them the lickings of a dog. Piers Morgan was maybe right this morning, asking Matt Hancock why hasn't he resigned yet So if you were pm what would you have done different and where would we be now ? It seems pretty much every country in the world is in a similar place" Close the borders, would stop infected people bringing it into the country. Implement much harsher lockdown, New Zealand seemed to deal with it the best in my opinion. I would have said the Isle of Man, but it is too small to use as a good example. | |||
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"I’m intrigued how they are going to enforce how many are sat around a dining table in a private property. They won't and they can't. The lockdown restrictions will be magically lifted in time for last minute shopping and Christmas. Then most probably slapped on again in early Jan. Can hear the mutterings at the cabinet table from here - "We've got to give the plebs a Christmas old chap" You only have to read above, the plebs are having Christmas if it is given or not then will blame government for the shit recalling hitting the fan in January
I won’t be blaming anyone and yep I will be having Xmas "Well I will be blaming you | |||
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"The fact remains, that if this government had got things right in the beginning we now wouldnt be in this situation. Blaming Joe public is wrong although some havnt helped here. It all stems from this governments inept performance It's time people started asking direct questions After watching that program last night on channel 4 I wouldn't give, any of them the lickings of a dog. Piers Morgan was maybe right this morning, asking Matt Hancock why hasn't he resigned yet So if you were pm what would you have done different and where would we be now ? It seems pretty much every country in the world is in a similar place 1. I wouldn't have been having holidays while the crisis was building everywhere else in the world. 2. I wouldn't have done absolutely jack shit about controlling travel in and out of the British Isles - we are an island, the virus couldn't just walk over a border and get here. 3. I would have halted unnecessary mass gatherings at least a month earlier. 4. I would have put strict controls on unnecessary long distance travel around the country, to delay any pocket outbreaks. 5. All goods import/export would be by use of sealed shipping containers that were taken to dockyards by the locals of the origin country, loaded onto vessels by cranes, unloaded at the other side by cranes, and removed by locals of the destination country. Crews of the ships staying on board, not alighting in either country without passing through a quarantine period. 6. Any persons with unavoidable need for international travel to be quarantined on way back, with full pay by government. 7. Set up a proper tracking and tracing system, making preparations while we were still hearing about the problems overseas, before the first covid infections even arrived in the UK. 8. Target testing at movement into the country and at outbreaks. 9. Fully fund from government compensation and quarantine for traced contacts of cases. 10. Use fully separate isolation hospitals for the, what would have been, very small number of cases. All staff at these hospitals given large bonus payments to have a work rota involving one month living on the premises, two weeks quarantine isolation, two weeks at home. 11. No foreign holidays for anyone for the duration, but all pre-booked holidays fully refunded by government. Result: Tiny number of cases, fewer deaths. Some controls on people's behaviour, but largely the freedom to live in a covid free country. No cancellations of hospital treatments. No financial stress for people because government money would be targeted at the relative few affected (it's cheaper to fully fund say one twentieth of the population than it is to partially fund more than half the population). Economy would have taken a minor hit, but be far ahead of continental europe countries that don't have the amazing advantage of being surrounded by sea. All this was possible, was predictable based on the dead swan exercise (or whatever it was called) a few years ago, and upon the wealth of information that had been built up before the first infected people came into the UK. It would have required actual intelligence and responsibility in government, a willingness to make complex decisions, a dedication to do what was best for the people and long term future of the UK. A ruthlessness to come down hard on any person that blatently flouted the necessary regulations, or that was found diverting emergency funds into their own pockets - not just including those high in government, but making a special example out of anyone high in government found to be breaking the rules. Where we would be now: A country primed to come through the crisis with a sound economy, 50 thousand odd people not dead, an unknown number not suffering life changing long term symptoms, children getting proper schooling, adults studying normally at universities, gyms/restaurants/pubs/shops/cinemas/clubs all open." No you would have done none of that because you would not have had the luxury of hindsight! | |||
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"The fact remains, that if this government had got things right in the beginning we now wouldnt be in this situation. Blaming Joe public is wrong although some havnt helped here. It all stems from this governments inept performance It's time people started asking direct questions After watching that program last night on channel 4 I wouldn't give, any of them the lickings of a dog. Piers Morgan was maybe right this morning, asking Matt Hancock why hasn't he resigned yet So if you were pm what would you have done different and where would we be now ? It seems pretty much every country in the world is in a similar place Close the borders, would stop infected people bringing it into the country. Implement much harsher lockdown, New Zealand seemed to deal with it the best in my opinion. I would have said the Isle of Man, but it is too small to use as a good example. " If the boarders closed every time a new virus appeared we would never allow anyone in or out of the country! | |||
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"The fact remains, that if this government had got things right in the beginning we now wouldnt be in this situation. Blaming Joe public is wrong although some havnt helped here. It all stems from this governments inept performance It's time people started asking direct questions After watching that program last night on channel 4 I wouldn't give, any of them the lickings of a dog. Piers Morgan was maybe right this morning, asking Matt Hancock why hasn't he resigned yet So if you were pm what would you have done different and where would we be now ? It seems pretty much every country in the world is in a similar place 1. I wouldn't have been having holidays while the crisis was building everywhere else in the world. 2. I wouldn't have done absolutely jack shit about controlling travel in and out of the British Isles - we are an island, the virus couldn't just walk over a border and get here. 3. I would have halted unnecessary mass gatherings at least a month earlier. 4. I would have put strict controls on unnecessary long distance travel around the country, to delay any pocket outbreaks. 5. All goods import/export would be by use of sealed shipping containers that were taken to dockyards by the locals of the origin country, loaded onto vessels by cranes, unloaded at the other side by cranes, and removed by locals of the destination country. Crews of the ships staying on board, not alighting in either country without passing through a quarantine period. 6. Any persons with unavoidable need for international travel to be quarantined on way back, with full pay by government. 7. Set up a proper tracking and tracing system, making preparations while we were still hearing about the problems overseas, before the first covid infections even arrived in the UK. 8. Target testing at movement into the country and at outbreaks. 9. Fully fund from government compensation and quarantine for traced contacts of cases. 10. Use fully separate isolation hospitals for the, what would have been, very small number of cases. All staff at these hospitals given large bonus payments to have a work rota involving one month living on the premises, two weeks quarantine isolation, two weeks at home. 11. No foreign holidays for anyone for the duration, but all pre-booked holidays fully refunded by government. Result: Tiny number of cases, fewer deaths. Some controls on people's behaviour, but largely the freedom to live in a covid free country. No cancellations of hospital treatments. No financial stress for people because government money would be targeted at the relative few affected (it's cheaper to fully fund say one twentieth of the population than it is to partially fund more than half the population). Economy would have taken a minor hit, but be far ahead of continental europe countries that don't have the amazing advantage of being surrounded by sea. All this was possible, was predictable based on the dead swan exercise (or whatever it was called) a few years ago, and upon the wealth of information that had been built up before the first infected people came into the UK. It would have required actual intelligence and responsibility in government, a willingness to make complex decisions, a dedication to do what was best for the people and long term future of the UK. A ruthlessness to come down hard on any person that blatently flouted the necessary regulations, or that was found diverting emergency funds into their own pockets - not just including those high in government, but making a special example out of anyone high in government found to be breaking the rules. Where we would be now: A country primed to come through the crisis with a sound economy, 50 thousand odd people not dead, an unknown number not suffering life changing long term symptoms, children getting proper schooling, adults studying normally at universities, gyms/restaurants/pubs/shops/cinemas/clubs all open." Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing . Sadly there's Joe Public that you seem to have forgotten. The ones who know better than any legislation and will go out of their way to do what the hell they want because they know best. Won't stop them meeting their friends or having that party. No chance of self isolation. So your predicted tiny number of cases would still have far larger than you're allowing for - and then it spreads. Overall, I doubt we be in much of s different position.
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"Ah well there's always 2022 Me and my family have already had this conversation.... we have said we can do Xmas and thanksgiving in July if it’s on the other side..... If it means that people will be around for Xmas 2021 by skipping Xmas 2020... we are all for that!" Someone speaks sense, hallelujah!!
It's still going to be Christmas Day on the 25th of December, and no matter if there are silly easing of restrictions for a week I still choose to keep my children who go school all week away from my elderly parents.
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"I’m intrigued how they are going to enforce how many are sat around a dining table in a private property. They won't and they can't. The lockdown restrictions will be magically lifted in time for last minute shopping and Christmas. Then most probably slapped on again in early Jan. " Almost certainly this, just like they relaxed it for Eid... | |||
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"I’m intrigued how they are going to enforce how many are sat around a dining table in a private property. They won't and they can't. The lockdown restrictions will be magically lifted in time for last minute shopping and Christmas. Then most probably slapped on again in early Jan. Can hear the mutterings at the cabinet table from here - "We've got to give the plebs a Christmas old chap" You only have to read above, the plebs are having Christmas if it is given or not then will blame government for the shit recalling hitting the fan in January
I won’t be blaming anyone and yep I will be having Xmas
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"The fact remains, that if this government had got things right in the beginning we now wouldnt be in this situation. Blaming Joe public is wrong although some havnt helped here. It all stems from this governments inept performance It's time people started asking direct questions After watching that program last night on channel 4 I wouldn't give, any of them the lickings of a dog. Piers Morgan was maybe right this morning, asking Matt Hancock why hasn't he resigned yet So if you were pm what would you have done different and where would we be now ? It seems pretty much every country in the world is in a similar place 1. I wouldn't have been having holidays while the crisis was building everywhere else in the world. 2. I wouldn't have done absolutely jack shit about controlling travel in and out of the British Isles - we are an island, the virus couldn't just walk over a border and get here. 3. I would have halted unnecessary mass gatherings at least a month earlier. 4. I would have put strict controls on unnecessary long distance travel around the country, to delay any pocket outbreaks. 5. All goods import/export would be by use of sealed shipping containers that were taken to dockyards by the locals of the origin country, loaded onto vessels by cranes, unloaded at the other side by cranes, and removed by locals of the destination country. Crews of the ships staying on board, not alighting in either country without passing through a quarantine period. 6. Any persons with unavoidable need for international travel to be quarantined on way back, with full pay by government. 7. Set up a proper tracking and tracing system, making preparations while we were still hearing about the problems overseas, before the first covid infections even arrived in the UK. 8. Target testing at movement into the country and at outbreaks. 9. Fully fund from government compensation and quarantine for traced contacts of cases. 10. Use fully separate isolation hospitals for the, what would have been, very small number of cases. All staff at these hospitals given large bonus payments to have a work rota involving one month living on the premises, two weeks quarantine isolation, two weeks at home. 11. No foreign holidays for anyone for the duration, but all pre-booked holidays fully refunded by government. Result: Tiny number of cases, fewer deaths. Some controls on people's behaviour, but largely the freedom to live in a covid free country. No cancellations of hospital treatments. No financial stress for people because government money would be targeted at the relative few affected (it's cheaper to fully fund say one twentieth of the population than it is to partially fund more than half the population). Economy would have taken a minor hit, but be far ahead of continental europe countries that don't have the amazing advantage of being surrounded by sea. All this was possible, was predictable based on the dead swan exercise (or whatever it was called) a few years ago, and upon the wealth of information that had been built up before the first infected people came into the UK. It would have required actual intelligence and responsibility in government, a willingness to make complex decisions, a dedication to do what was best for the people and long term future of the UK. A ruthlessness to come down hard on any person that blatently flouted the necessary regulations, or that was found diverting emergency funds into their own pockets - not just including those high in government, but making a special example out of anyone high in government found to be breaking the rules. Where we would be now: A country primed to come through the crisis with a sound economy, 50 thousand odd people not dead, an unknown number not suffering life changing long term symptoms, children getting proper schooling, adults studying normally at universities, gyms/restaurants/pubs/shops/cinemas/clubs all open. No you would have done none of that because you would not have had the luxury of hindsight!" She was saying most of this stuff in February and March | |||
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"Wow. Isn’t hindsight a wonderful thing. " Amazing that people were warning us at the time, that people thought our strategy was nuts, how we had warning from Italy, but we couldn't have done any different. | |||
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"Speak for yourself. We’re planing on having a great Christmas with our children
No granny's or grandads though
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"Speak for yourself. We’re planing on having a great Christmas with our children
No granny's or grandads though
We are the granny and grandad
presumably though it depends on how the sharing of hotel rooms goes"? | |||
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"I’m intrigued how they are going to enforce how many are sat around a dining table in a private property." By busybodies with too much time on their hands reporting to the police, probably. | |||
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"Speak for yourself. We’re planing on having a great Christmas with our children
No granny's or grandads though
We are the granny and grandad
presumably though it depends on how the sharing of hotel rooms goes
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"Speak for yourself. We’re planing on having a great Christmas with our children
No granny's or grandads though
We are the granny and grandad
presumably though it depends on how the sharing of hotel rooms goes
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based on mr's comments on other thread re sharing of hotel bedrooms with workmates"Oh yes still having to share it . I am not concerned about catching if as I had in in April. I am more concerned of having to self isolate and losing out on 2 weeks wages. My workmate has not had it and if he catches it I would have to self isolate even though I have had it. | |||
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"I’m intrigued how they are going to enforce how many are sat around a dining table in a private property. By busybodies with too much time on their hands reporting to the police, probably. " You're autocorrect is playing up Concerned citizens wanting to protect others around them reporting to the police | |||
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"I’m intrigued how they are going to enforce how many are sat around a dining table in a private property. By busybodies with too much time on their hands reporting to the police, probably. " Curtain twitchers | |||
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"Wow. Isn’t hindsight a wonderful thing. Amazing that people were warning us at the time, that people thought our strategy was nuts, how we had warning from Italy, but we couldn't have done any different." By the time we had warning from Italy closing boarders would have made little difference, might have delayed lockdown 1 by a week or 2 but the course was already set. | |||
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"The fact remains, that if this government had got things right in the beginning we now wouldnt be in this situation. Blaming Joe public is wrong although some havnt helped here. It all stems from this governments inept performance It's time people started asking direct questions After watching that program last night on channel 4 I wouldn't give, any of them the lickings of a dog. Piers Morgan was maybe right this morning, asking Matt Hancock why hasn't he resigned yet So if you were pm what would you have done different and where would we be now ? It seems pretty much every country in the world is in a similar place 1. I wouldn't have been having holidays while the crisis was building everywhere else in the world. 2. I wouldn't have done absolutely jack shit about controlling travel in and out of the British Isles - we are an island, the virus couldn't just walk over a border and get here. 3. I would have halted unnecessary mass gatherings at least a month earlier. 4. I would have put strict controls on unnecessary long distance travel around the country, to delay any pocket outbreaks. 5. All goods import/export would be by use of sealed shipping containers that were taken to dockyards by the locals of the origin country, loaded onto vessels by cranes, unloaded at the other side by cranes, and removed by locals of the destination country. Crews of the ships staying on board, not alighting in either country without passing through a quarantine period. 6. Any persons with unavoidable need for international travel to be quarantined on way back, with full pay by government. 7. Set up a proper tracking and tracing system, making preparations while we were still hearing about the problems overseas, before the first covid infections even arrived in the UK. 8. Target testing at movement into the country and at outbreaks. 9. Fully fund from government compensation and quarantine for traced contacts of cases. 10. Use fully separate isolation hospitals for the, what would have been, very small number of cases. All staff at these hospitals given large bonus payments to have a work rota involving one month living on the premises, two weeks quarantine isolation, two weeks at home. 11. No foreign holidays for anyone for the duration, but all pre-booked holidays fully refunded by government. Result: Tiny number of cases, fewer deaths. Some controls on people's behaviour, but largely the freedom to live in a covid free country. No cancellations of hospital treatments. No financial stress for people because government money would be targeted at the relative few affected (it's cheaper to fully fund say one twentieth of the population than it is to partially fund more than half the population). Economy would have taken a minor hit, but be far ahead of continental europe countries that don't have the amazing advantage of being surrounded by sea. All this was possible, was predictable based on the dead swan exercise (or whatever it was called) a few years ago, and upon the wealth of information that had been built up before the first infected people came into the UK. It would have required actual intelligence and responsibility in government, a willingness to make complex decisions, a dedication to do what was best for the people and long term future of the UK. A ruthlessness to come down hard on any person that blatently flouted the necessary regulations, or that was found diverting emergency funds into their own pockets - not just including those high in government, but making a special example out of anyone high in government found to be breaking the rules. Where we would be now: A country primed to come through the crisis with a sound economy, 50 thousand odd people not dead, an unknown number not suffering life changing long term symptoms, children getting proper schooling, adults studying normally at universities, gyms/restaurants/pubs/shops/cinemas/clubs all open. No you would have done none of that because you would not have had the luxury of hindsight! She was saying most of this stuff in February and March "
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"The fact remains, that if this government had got things right in the beginning we now wouldnt be in this situation. Blaming Joe public is wrong although some havnt helped here. It all stems from this governments inept performance It's time people started asking direct questions After watching that program last night on channel 4 I wouldn't give, any of them the lickings of a dog. Piers Morgan was maybe right this morning, asking Matt Hancock why hasn't he resigned yet So if you were pm what would you have done different and where would we be now ? It seems pretty much every country in the world is in a similar place 1. I wouldn't have been having holidays while the crisis was building everywhere else in the world. 2. I wouldn't have done absolutely jack shit about controlling travel in and out of the British Isles - we are an island, the virus couldn't just walk over a border and get here. 3. I would have halted unnecessary mass gatherings at least a month earlier. 4. I would have put strict controls on unnecessary long distance travel around the country, to delay any pocket outbreaks. 5. All goods import/export would be by use of sealed shipping containers that were taken to dockyards by the locals of the origin country, loaded onto vessels by cranes, unloaded at the other side by cranes, and removed by locals of the destination country. Crews of the ships staying on board, not alighting in either country without passing through a quarantine period. 6. Any persons with unavoidable need for international travel to be quarantined on way back, with full pay by government. 7. Set up a proper tracking and tracing system, making preparations while we were still hearing about the problems overseas, before the first covid infections even arrived in the UK. 8. Target testing at movement into the country and at outbreaks. 9. Fully fund from government compensation and quarantine for traced contacts of cases. 10. Use fully separate isolation hospitals for the, what would have been, very small number of cases. All staff at these hospitals given large bonus payments to have a work rota involving one month living on the premises, two weeks quarantine isolation, two weeks at home. 11. No foreign holidays for anyone for the duration, but all pre-booked holidays fully refunded by government. Result: Tiny number of cases, fewer deaths. Some controls on people's behaviour, but largely the freedom to live in a covid free country. No cancellations of hospital treatments. No financial stress for people because government money would be targeted at the relative few affected (it's cheaper to fully fund say one twentieth of the population than it is to partially fund more than half the population). Economy would have taken a minor hit, but be far ahead of continental europe countries that don't have the amazing advantage of being surrounded by sea. All this was possible, was predictable based on the dead swan exercise (or whatever it was called) a few years ago, and upon the wealth of information that had been built up before the first infected people came into the UK. It would have required actual intelligence and responsibility in government, a willingness to make complex decisions, a dedication to do what was best for the people and long term future of the UK. A ruthlessness to come down hard on any person that blatently flouted the necessary regulations, or that was found diverting emergency funds into their own pockets - not just including those high in government, but making a special example out of anyone high in government found to be breaking the rules. Where we would be now: A country primed to come through the crisis with a sound economy, 50 thousand odd people not dead, an unknown number not suffering life changing long term symptoms, children getting proper schooling, adults studying normally at universities, gyms/restaurants/pubs/shops/cinemas/clubs all open. No you would have done none of that because you would not have had the luxury of hindsight!" Didn't need hindsight. I was discussing the need for all these steps with others before the first covid death had occurred in this country. Everything that has happened since February was totally predictable. | |||
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"The fact remains, that if this government had got things right in the beginning we now wouldnt be in this situation. Blaming Joe public is wrong although some havnt helped here. It all stems from this governments inept performance It's time people started asking direct questions After watching that program last night on channel 4 I wouldn't give, any of them the lickings of a dog. Piers Morgan was maybe right this morning, asking Matt Hancock why hasn't he resigned yet So if you were pm what would you have done different and where would we be now ? It seems pretty much every country in the world is in a similar place 1. I wouldn't have been having holidays while the crisis was building everywhere else in the world. 2. I wouldn't have done absolutely jack shit about controlling travel in and out of the British Isles - we are an island, the virus couldn't just walk over a border and get here. 3. I would have halted unnecessary mass gatherings at least a month earlier. 4. I would have put strict controls on unnecessary long distance travel around the country, to delay any pocket outbreaks. 5. All goods import/export would be by use of sealed shipping containers that were taken to dockyards by the locals of the origin country, loaded onto vessels by cranes, unloaded at the other side by cranes, and removed by locals of the destination country. Crews of the ships staying on board, not alighting in either country without passing through a quarantine period. 6. Any persons with unavoidable need for international travel to be quarantined on way back, with full pay by government. 7. Set up a proper tracking and tracing system, making preparations while we were still hearing about the problems overseas, before the first covid infections even arrived in the UK. 8. Target testing at movement into the country and at outbreaks. 9. Fully fund from government compensation and quarantine for traced contacts of cases. 10. Use fully separate isolation hospitals for the, what would have been, very small number of cases. All staff at these hospitals given large bonus payments to have a work rota involving one month living on the premises, two weeks quarantine isolation, two weeks at home. 11. No foreign holidays for anyone for the duration, but all pre-booked holidays fully refunded by government. Result: Tiny number of cases, fewer deaths. Some controls on people's behaviour, but largely the freedom to live in a covid free country. No cancellations of hospital treatments. No financial stress for people because government money would be targeted at the relative few affected (it's cheaper to fully fund say one twentieth of the population than it is to partially fund more than half the population). Economy would have taken a minor hit, but be far ahead of continental europe countries that don't have the amazing advantage of being surrounded by sea. All this was possible, was predictable based on the dead swan exercise (or whatever it was called) a few years ago, and upon the wealth of information that had been built up before the first infected people came into the UK. It would have required actual intelligence and responsibility in government, a willingness to make complex decisions, a dedication to do what was best for the people and long term future of the UK. A ruthlessness to come down hard on any person that blatently flouted the necessary regulations, or that was found diverting emergency funds into their own pockets - not just including those high in government, but making a special example out of anyone high in government found to be breaking the rules. Where we would be now: A country primed to come through the crisis with a sound economy, 50 thousand odd people not dead, an unknown number not suffering life changing long term symptoms, children getting proper schooling, adults studying normally at universities, gyms/restaurants/pubs/shops/cinemas/clubs all open. No you would have done none of that because you would not have had the luxury of hindsight! She was saying most of this stuff in February and March
And as she points out, we weren't ignorant of what was needed, after having ran operation Cygnus a couple of years earlier, in a pandemic exercise plan. We were inept from the top down "It would have played out the same which ever government had been elected. Understanding what was needed to stop the spread is one thing but we are not in a communist dictatorships you also need to understand what restrictions the British public would stand and when. A sizeable portion of the population are against any of the rules and restrictions even now, even after being presented with the high number of deaths and being shown inside hospitals. If you think good compliance would have been achieved in an earlier and longer lockdown you are totally clueless. | |||
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"The fact remains, that if this government had got things right in the beginning we now wouldnt be in this situation. Blaming Joe public is wrong although some havnt helped here. It all stems from this governments inept performance It's time people started asking direct questions After watching that program last night on channel 4 I wouldn't give, any of them the lickings of a dog. Piers Morgan was maybe right this morning, asking Matt Hancock why hasn't he resigned yet So if you were pm what would you have done different and where would we be now ? It seems pretty much every country in the world is in a similar place 1. I wouldn't have been having holidays while the crisis was building everywhere else in the world. 2. I wouldn't have done absolutely jack shit about controlling travel in and out of the British Isles - we are an island, the virus couldn't just walk over a border and get here. 3. I would have halted unnecessary mass gatherings at least a month earlier. 4. I would have put strict controls on unnecessary long distance travel around the country, to delay any pocket outbreaks. 5. All goods import/export would be by use of sealed shipping containers that were taken to dockyards by the locals of the origin country, loaded onto vessels by cranes, unloaded at the other side by cranes, and removed by locals of the destination country. Crews of the ships staying on board, not alighting in either country without passing through a quarantine period. 6. Any persons with unavoidable need for international travel to be quarantined on way back, with full pay by government. 7. Set up a proper tracking and tracing system, making preparations while we were still hearing about the problems overseas, before the first covid infections even arrived in the UK. 8. Target testing at movement into the country and at outbreaks. 9. Fully fund from government compensation and quarantine for traced contacts of cases. 10. Use fully separate isolation hospitals for the, what would have been, very small number of cases. All staff at these hospitals given large bonus payments to have a work rota involving one month living on the premises, two weeks quarantine isolation, two weeks at home. 11. No foreign holidays for anyone for the duration, but all pre-booked holidays fully refunded by government. Result: Tiny number of cases, fewer deaths. Some controls on people's behaviour, but largely the freedom to live in a covid free country. No cancellations of hospital treatments. No financial stress for people because government money would be targeted at the relative few affected (it's cheaper to fully fund say one twentieth of the population than it is to partially fund more than half the population). Economy would have taken a minor hit, but be far ahead of continental europe countries that don't have the amazing advantage of being surrounded by sea. All this was possible, was predictable based on the dead swan exercise (or whatever it was called) a few years ago, and upon the wealth of information that had been built up before the first infected people came into the UK. It would have required actual intelligence and responsibility in government, a willingness to make complex decisions, a dedication to do what was best for the people and long term future of the UK. A ruthlessness to come down hard on any person that blatently flouted the necessary regulations, or that was found diverting emergency funds into their own pockets - not just including those high in government, but making a special example out of anyone high in government found to be breaking the rules. Where we would be now: A country primed to come through the crisis with a sound economy, 50 thousand odd people not dead, an unknown number not suffering life changing long term symptoms, children getting proper schooling, adults studying normally at universities, gyms/restaurants/pubs/shops/cinemas/clubs all open. No you would have done none of that because you would not have had the luxury of hindsight! Didn't need hindsight. I was discussing the need for all these steps with others before the first covid death had occurred in this country. Everything that has happened since February was totally predictable." Understanding what is needed to slow the virus and getting any democratic, Western population on board with unprecedented and economically devastating restrictions are very different things!! | |||
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"The fact remains, that if this government had got things right in the beginning we now wouldnt be in this situation. Blaming Joe public is wrong although some havnt helped here. It all stems from this governments inept performance It's time people started asking direct questions After watching that program last night on channel 4 I wouldn't give, any of them the lickings of a dog. Piers Morgan was maybe right this morning, asking Matt Hancock why hasn't he resigned yet So if you were pm what would you have done different and where would we be now ? It seems pretty much every country in the world is in a similar place 1. I wouldn't have been having holidays while the crisis was building everywhere else in the world. 2. I wouldn't have done absolutely jack shit about controlling travel in and out of the British Isles - we are an island, the virus couldn't just walk over a border and get here. 3. I would have halted unnecessary mass gatherings at least a month earlier. 4. I would have put strict controls on unnecessary long distance travel around the country, to delay any pocket outbreaks. 5. All goods import/export would be by use of sealed shipping containers that were taken to dockyards by the locals of the origin country, loaded onto vessels by cranes, unloaded at the other side by cranes, and removed by locals of the destination country. Crews of the ships staying on board, not alighting in either country without passing through a quarantine period. 6. Any persons with unavoidable need for international travel to be quarantined on way back, with full pay by government. 7. Set up a proper tracking and tracing system, making preparations while we were still hearing about the problems overseas, before the first covid infections even arrived in the UK. 8. Target testing at movement into the country and at outbreaks. 9. Fully fund from government compensation and quarantine for traced contacts of cases. 10. Use fully separate isolation hospitals for the, what would have been, very small number of cases. All staff at these hospitals given large bonus payments to have a work rota involving one month living on the premises, two weeks quarantine isolation, two weeks at home. 11. No foreign holidays for anyone for the duration, but all pre-booked holidays fully refunded by government. Result: Tiny number of cases, fewer deaths. Some controls on people's behaviour, but largely the freedom to live in a covid free country. No cancellations of hospital treatments. No financial stress for people because government money would be targeted at the relative few affected (it's cheaper to fully fund say one twentieth of the population than it is to partially fund more than half the population). Economy would have taken a minor hit, but be far ahead of continental europe countries that don't have the amazing advantage of being surrounded by sea. All this was possible, was predictable based on the dead swan exercise (or whatever it was called) a few years ago, and upon the wealth of information that had been built up before the first infected people came into the UK. It would have required actual intelligence and responsibility in government, a willingness to make complex decisions, a dedication to do what was best for the people and long term future of the UK. A ruthlessness to come down hard on any person that blatently flouted the necessary regulations, or that was found diverting emergency funds into their own pockets - not just including those high in government, but making a special example out of anyone high in government found to be breaking the rules. Where we would be now: A country primed to come through the crisis with a sound economy, 50 thousand odd people not dead, an unknown number not suffering life changing long term symptoms, children getting proper schooling, adults studying normally at universities, gyms/restaurants/pubs/shops/cinemas/clubs all open. No you would have done none of that because you would not have had the luxury of hindsight! Didn't need hindsight. I was discussing the need for all these steps with others before the first covid death had occurred in this country. Everything that has happened since February was totally predictable. Understanding what is needed to slow the virus and getting any democratic, Western population on board with unprecedented and economically devastating restrictions are very different things!!" Australia and New Zealand did it just fine. Last time i looked they were advanced democratic states. Like us with the advantage of being surrounded by water. The possible difference being a level of intelligence and integrity in their leadership. | |||
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"The fact remains, that if this government had got things right in the beginning we now wouldnt be in this situation. Blaming Joe public is wrong although some havnt helped here. It all stems from this governments inept performance It's time people started asking direct questions After watching that program last night on channel 4 I wouldn't give, any of them the lickings of a dog. Piers Morgan was maybe right this morning, asking Matt Hancock why hasn't he resigned yet So if you were pm what would you have done different and where would we be now ? It seems pretty much every country in the world is in a similar place 1. I wouldn't have been having holidays while the crisis was building everywhere else in the world. 2. I wouldn't have done absolutely jack shit about controlling travel in and out of the British Isles - we are an island, the virus couldn't just walk over a border and get here. 3. I would have halted unnecessary mass gatherings at least a month earlier. 4. I would have put strict controls on unnecessary long distance travel around the country, to delay any pocket outbreaks. 5. All goods import/export would be by use of sealed shipping containers that were taken to dockyards by the locals of the origin country, loaded onto vessels by cranes, unloaded at the other side by cranes, and removed by locals of the destination country. Crews of the ships staying on board, not alighting in either country without passing through a quarantine period. 6. Any persons with unavoidable need for international travel to be quarantined on way back, with full pay by government. 7. Set up a proper tracking and tracing system, making preparations while we were still hearing about the problems overseas, before the first covid infections even arrived in the UK. 8. Target testing at movement into the country and at outbreaks. 9. Fully fund from government compensation and quarantine for traced contacts of cases. 10. Use fully separate isolation hospitals for the, what would have been, very small number of cases. All staff at these hospitals given large bonus payments to have a work rota involving one month living on the premises, two weeks quarantine isolation, two weeks at home. 11. No foreign holidays for anyone for the duration, but all pre-booked holidays fully refunded by government. Result: Tiny number of cases, fewer deaths. Some controls on people's behaviour, but largely the freedom to live in a covid free country. No cancellations of hospital treatments. No financial stress for people because government money would be targeted at the relative few affected (it's cheaper to fully fund say one twentieth of the population than it is to partially fund more than half the population). Economy would have taken a minor hit, but be far ahead of continental europe countries that don't have the amazing advantage of being surrounded by sea. All this was possible, was predictable based on the dead swan exercise (or whatever it was called) a few years ago, and upon the wealth of information that had been built up before the first infected people came into the UK. It would have required actual intelligence and responsibility in government, a willingness to make complex decisions, a dedication to do what was best for the people and long term future of the UK. A ruthlessness to come down hard on any person that blatently flouted the necessary regulations, or that was found diverting emergency funds into their own pockets - not just including those high in government, but making a special example out of anyone high in government found to be breaking the rules. Where we would be now: A country primed to come through the crisis with a sound economy, 50 thousand odd people not dead, an unknown number not suffering life changing long term symptoms, children getting proper schooling, adults studying normally at universities, gyms/restaurants/pubs/shops/cinemas/clubs all open. No you would have done none of that because you would not have had the luxury of hindsight! Didn't need hindsight. I was discussing the need for all these steps with others before the first covid death had occurred in this country. Everything that has happened since February was totally predictable. Understanding what is needed to slow the virus and getting any democratic, Western population on board with unprecedented and economically devastating restrictions are very different things!! Australia and New Zealand did it just fine. Last time i looked they were advanced democratic states. Like us with the advantage of being surrounded by water. The possible difference being a level of intelligence and integrity in their leadership." I'm going to go with intelligence for New Zealand. Sheer dumb luck for Australia at a national level | |||
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"I've been watching Channel 5's programs about the Plague of 1665 (final episode tonight). It's both frightening and remarkable how Covid today mirrors the actions and effects of the 1600's. One shred of hope I've taken from it is that even back then, with the appalling conditions people lived in, the complete lack of medical or scientific knowledge, the deprivation all around.... They came through it! I have renewed hope that we can, and will beat this and once again be able to live our lives normally." They came through it, but in the areas affected the death toll was horrendous. The plague was largely confined to London because of the much lower level of countrywide travel, a slower rate of spread, and a much greater awareness and fear of the disease. Apparently there were between 50,000 and 100,000 deaths at a time when the total population of England was only about 5 million. In the areas for which good records are available, the worst death rates were up to a third of the population. If the plague had spread throughout the country, as covid has now, then it could have been more than a quarter of the entire population that would have died. | |||
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"I’m intrigued how they are going to enforce how many are sat around a dining table in a private property. By busybodies with too much time on their hands reporting to the police, probably. You're autocorrect is playing up Concerned citizens wanting to protect others around them reporting to the police" Nothing wrong with my auto correct at all. But thanks for the heads up! | |||
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"I’m intrigued how they are going to enforce how many are sat around a dining table in a private property. By busybodies with too much time on their hands reporting to the police, probably. Curtain twitchers "Is your auto correct playing up too lol?! | |||
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"The fact remains, that if this government had got things right in the beginning we now wouldnt be in this situation. Blaming Joe public is wrong although some havnt helped here. It all stems from this governments inept performance It's time people started asking direct questions After watching that program last night on channel 4 I wouldn't give, any of them the lickings of a dog. Piers Morgan was maybe right this morning, asking Matt Hancock why hasn't he resigned yet So if you were pm what would you have done different and where would we be now ? It seems pretty much every country in the world is in a similar place 1. I wouldn't have been having holidays while the crisis was building everywhere else in the world. 2. I wouldn't have done absolutely jack shit about controlling travel in and out of the British Isles - we are an island, the virus couldn't just walk over a border and get here. 3. I would have halted unnecessary mass gatherings at least a month earlier. 4. I would have put strict controls on unnecessary long distance travel around the country, to delay any pocket outbreaks. 5. All goods import/export would be by use of sealed shipping containers that were taken to dockyards by the locals of the origin country, loaded onto vessels by cranes, unloaded at the other side by cranes, and removed by locals of the destination country. Crews of the ships staying on board, not alighting in either country without passing through a quarantine period. 6. Any persons with unavoidable need for international travel to be quarantined on way back, with full pay by government. 7. Set up a proper tracking and tracing system, making preparations while we were still hearing about the problems overseas, before the first covid infections even arrived in the UK. 8. Target testing at movement into the country and at outbreaks. 9. Fully fund from government compensation and quarantine for traced contacts of cases. 10. Use fully separate isolation hospitals for the, what would have been, very small number of cases. All staff at these hospitals given large bonus payments to have a work rota involving one month living on the premises, two weeks quarantine isolation, two weeks at home. 11. No foreign holidays for anyone for the duration, but all pre-booked holidays fully refunded by government. Result: Tiny number of cases, fewer deaths. Some controls on people's behaviour, but largely the freedom to live in a covid free country. No cancellations of hospital treatments. No financial stress for people because government money would be targeted at the relative few affected (it's cheaper to fully fund say one twentieth of the population than it is to partially fund more than half the population). Economy would have taken a minor hit, but be far ahead of continental europe countries that don't have the amazing advantage of being surrounded by sea. All this was possible, was predictable based on the dead swan exercise (or whatever it was called) a few years ago, and upon the wealth of information that had been built up before the first infected people came into the UK. It would have required actual intelligence and responsibility in government, a willingness to make complex decisions, a dedication to do what was best for the people and long term future of the UK. A ruthlessness to come down hard on any person that blatently flouted the necessary regulations, or that was found diverting emergency funds into their own pockets - not just including those high in government, but making a special example out of anyone high in government found to be breaking the rules. Where we would be now: A country primed to come through the crisis with a sound economy, 50 thousand odd people not dead, an unknown number not suffering life changing long term symptoms, children getting proper schooling, adults studying normally at universities, gyms/restaurants/pubs/shops/cinemas/clubs all open. No you would have done none of that because you would not have had the luxury of hindsight! She was saying most of this stuff in February and March
And as she points out, we weren't ignorant of what was needed, after having ran operation Cygnus a couple of years earlier, in a pandemic exercise plan. We were inept from the top down
It would have played out the same which ever government had been elected. Understanding what was needed to stop the spread is one thing but we are not in a communist dictatorships you also need to understand what restrictions the British public would stand and when. A sizeable portion of the population are against any of the rules and restrictions even now, even after being presented with the high number of deaths and being shown inside hospitals. If you think good compliance would have been achieved in an earlier and longer lockdown you are totally clueless. "You make the false assumption that if we had pursued better approaches, the lockdown would have been the same. If nothing else, if we had lockeddown 2 weeks earlier than we did, when infection levels were doubling every 4!5 days or so, there would have been far fewer people infected and it would have made huge differences to both total numbers of infected people as well as deaths. That 1 two weeks charge is estimated likely to have saved 20,000 lives. Lockdowns 1.0 could have been shorter. The economic impact would have been much lighter and subsequent infection levels and deaths much reduced too. Just that 1 difference would have achieved all that. Review again all of the points in Polly's post. The compound results of all of these would have been very much different to what we have had. | |||
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