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"We have a system in shambles and people not doing as they're told. Or doing as they're told and spreading it anyway. We either let it rip (barbaric and the death/disability toll will be huge), take decisive measures that have worked elsewhere, or be stuck in this current mess which is bad for basically everything. To me the choice is clear, but then it has been all along. But you still have to rely on people behaving the right way....unless it's a completely policed properly.. " Agreed. But I don't think the people of Australia or New Zealand are somehow so much more virus aware or community minded or intelligent than those in the US and the UK. I think they're about the same. They just have way less risk to deal with, because of the policies put in place. And because they have less risk to deal with, they get to have their lives more or less back, while we're stuck with this godawful mess. | |||
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"We have a system in shambles and people not doing as they're told. Or doing as they're told and spreading it anyway. We either let it rip (barbaric and the death/disability toll will be huge), take decisive measures that have worked elsewhere, or be stuck in this current mess which is bad for basically everything. To me the choice is clear, but then it has been all along. But you still have to rely on people behaving the right way....unless it's a completely policed properly.. " In the most I think people do conform even if they dont agree! But it's like everything in life there will allways b them that dont! Otherwise we would live in a perfect world no law breakers ! No need for police etc., x | |||
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"Most people stick to rules but....Tradesmen still allowed in peoples houses, kids still at school students still at university,transport workers still working not really a lockdown is it ? " I think the term lockdown is unhelpful. | |||
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"Most people stick to rules but....Tradesmen still allowed in peoples houses, kids still at school students still at university,transport workers still working not really a lockdown is it ? " Agreed , but, it really should be a lockdown if we want results, maybe 2 weeks ? | |||
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"Most people stick to rules but....Tradesmen still allowed in peoples houses, kids still at school students still at university,transport workers still working not really a lockdown is it ? " Ohh and dont forget Covid stays out the supermarkets!  x | |||
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"We have a system in shambles and people not doing as they're told. Or doing as they're told and spreading it anyway. We either let it rip (barbaric and the death/disability toll will be huge), take decisive measures that have worked elsewhere, or be stuck in this current mess which is bad for basically everything. To me the choice is clear, but then it has been all along. But you still have to rely on people behaving the right way....unless it's a completely policed properly.. Agreed. But I don't think the people of Australia or New Zealand are somehow so much more virus aware or community minded or intelligent than those in the US and the UK. I think they're about the same. They just have way less risk to deal with, because of the policies put in place. And because they have less risk to deal with, they get to have their lives more or less back, while we're stuck with this godawful mess." So what policies would you put in place... You said better track and trace.. Would you shut down travel or just police it better | |||
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"Most people stick to rules but....Tradesmen still allowed in peoples houses, kids still at school students still at university,transport workers still working not really a lockdown is it ? Ohh and dont forget Covid stays out the supermarkets! x"Supermarket workers should be getting paid more for working during the pandemic....they worked all through the last lockdown aswell | |||
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"Most people stick to rules but....Tradesmen still allowed in peoples houses, kids still at school students still at university,transport workers still working not really a lockdown is it ? Ohh and dont forget Covid stays out the supermarkets! x"Funny how that is.. I still see all the same staff in my local( very busy) Tesco. One would have thought that with them being exposed to this deadly virus from day one they'd be a lot of cases and the media would be all over it. | |||
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"We have a system in shambles and people not doing as they're told. Or doing as they're told and spreading it anyway. We either let it rip (barbaric and the death/disability toll will be huge), take decisive measures that have worked elsewhere, or be stuck in this current mess which is bad for basically everything. To me the choice is clear, but then it has been all along. But you still have to rely on people behaving the right way....unless it's a completely policed properly.. Agreed. But I don't think the people of Australia or New Zealand are somehow so much more virus aware or community minded or intelligent than those in the US and the UK. I think they're about the same. They just have way less risk to deal with, because of the policies put in place. And because they have less risk to deal with, they get to have their lives more or less back, while we're stuck with this godawful mess. So what policies would you put in place... You said better track and trace.. Would you shut down travel or just police it better" I'd shut the border to the UK except with approval like they have in Australia. I'd use known methods for getting names of contacts of people who've tested positive. I'd pay them a meaningful amount of money to allow them to not leave their home for 14 days, and where their living conditions are too cramped to isolate properly (if I didn't live alone I couldn't isolate) I'd put them in suitable accommodation. Does all this add up financially? Sure. But in Australia they consider *any* new case where they don't know the source a failure. In our summer Victoria alone had almost the same number of cases as us, they're down to zero. I'd consider making school 50% attendance to reduce bubble size, ramp up support for those who can't learn at home (laptop/WiFi). Masks in classrooms for 11+. Fund cleaning and ventilation. | |||
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"Most people stick to rules but....Tradesmen still allowed in peoples houses, kids still at school students still at university,transport workers still working not really a lockdown is it ? Ohh and dont forget Covid stays out the supermarkets! x
Funny how that is.. I still see all the same staff in my local( very busy) Tesco. One would have thought that with them being exposed to this deadly virus from day one they'd be a lot of cases and the media would be all over it. "I'm sure plenty of supermarket workers have gotten the virus | |||
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"Most people stick to rules but....Tradesmen still allowed in peoples houses, kids still at school students still at university,transport workers still working not really a lockdown is it ? Ohh and dont forget Covid stays out the supermarkets! x"Or... people need food to survive and delivering it to the population is logistically impossible, so we have to keep them open? | |||
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"Most people stick to rules but....Tradesmen still allowed in peoples houses, kids still at school students still at university,transport workers still working not really a lockdown is it ? Ohh and dont forget Covid stays out the supermarkets! x
Funny how that is.. I still see all the same staff in my local( very busy) Tesco. One would have thought that with them being exposed to this deadly virus from day one they'd be a lot of cases and the media would be all over it. "Yes! Have 2 daughters work tesco but tbf the eldest did get it at start of lockdown we think was when they wernt testing so not 100 % but almost certainly was she was very poorly! I only spoke on WhatsApp but she didnt leave her bed in 10 days! The younger one has been fine and she works self serve so for the first lockdown no measures or masks up close to all and sundry ! I have recently started working in sainsbury's as covid made me redundant and no one there I know of has had it either! Sister works there and there were no cases whatsoever ! All very strange! | |||
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"We have a system in shambles and people not doing as they're told. Or doing as they're told and spreading it anyway. We either let it rip (barbaric and the death/disability toll will be huge), take decisive measures that have worked elsewhere, or be stuck in this current mess which is bad for basically everything. To me the choice is clear, but then it has been all along. But you still have to rely on people behaving the right way....unless it's a completely policed properly.. Agreed. But I don't think the people of Australia or New Zealand are somehow so much more virus aware or community minded or intelligent than those in the US and the UK. I think they're about the same. They just have way less risk to deal with, because of the policies put in place. And because they have less risk to deal with, they get to have their lives more or less back, while we're stuck with this godawful mess. So what policies would you put in place... You said better track and trace.. Would you shut down travel or just police it better I'd shut the border to the UK except with approval like they have in Australia. I'd use known methods for getting names of contacts of people who've tested positive. I'd pay them a meaningful amount of money to allow them to not leave their home for 14 days, and where their living conditions are too cramped to isolate properly (if I didn't live alone I couldn't isolate) I'd put them in suitable accommodation. Does all this add up financially? Sure. But in Australia they consider *any* new case where they don't know the source a failure. In our summer Victoria alone had almost the same number of cases as us, they're down to zero. I'd consider making school 50% attendance to reduce bubble size, ramp up support for those who can't learn at home (laptop/WiFi). Masks in classrooms for 11+. Fund cleaning and ventilation." I know I said it before but this all adds up... And the problem is,there might be no end in sight... It sounds a lot better than what's going on there the moment tho | |||
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"We have a system in shambles and people not doing as they're told. Or doing as they're told and spreading it anyway. We either let it rip (barbaric and the death/disability toll will be huge), take decisive measures that have worked elsewhere, or be stuck in this current mess which is bad for basically everything. To me the choice is clear, but then it has been all along. But you still have to rely on people behaving the right way....unless it's a completely policed properly.. Agreed. But I don't think the people of Australia or New Zealand are somehow so much more virus aware or community minded or intelligent than those in the US and the UK. I think they're about the same. They just have way less risk to deal with, because of the policies put in place. And because they have less risk to deal with, they get to have their lives more or less back, while we're stuck with this godawful mess. So what policies would you put in place... You said better track and trace.. Would you shut down travel or just police it better I'd shut the border to the UK except with approval like they have in Australia. I'd use known methods for getting names of contacts of people who've tested positive. I'd pay them a meaningful amount of money to allow them to not leave their home for 14 days, and where their living conditions are too cramped to isolate properly (if I didn't live alone I couldn't isolate) I'd put them in suitable accommodation. Does all this add up financially? Sure. But in Australia they consider *any* new case where they don't know the source a failure. In our summer Victoria alone had almost the same number of cases as us, they're down to zero. I'd consider making school 50% attendance to reduce bubble size, ramp up support for those who can't learn at home (laptop/WiFi). Masks in classrooms for 11+. Fund cleaning and ventilation. I know I said it before but this all adds up... And the problem is,there might be no end in sight... It sounds a lot better than what's going on there the moment tho" It does. But so does lockdown. I'd rather spend the money on stuff that works. Fix the leaky boat rather than just try to use buckets. | |||
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"Most people stick to rules but....Tradesmen still allowed in peoples houses, kids still at school students still at university,transport workers still working not really a lockdown is it ? Ohh and dont forget Covid stays out the supermarkets! x
Supermarket workers should be getting paid more for working during the pandemic....they worked all through the last lockdown aswell"We getting 10% of work done through lock down so overtime as well! | |||
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"Most people stick to rules but....Tradesmen still allowed in peoples houses, kids still at school students still at university,transport workers still working not really a lockdown is it ? Ohh and dont forget Covid stays out the supermarkets! x
Or... people need food to survive and delivering it to the population is logistically impossible, so we have to keep them open?"Yes cos we supermarket workers are immune to covid! X | |||
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"Most people stick to rules but....Tradesmen still allowed in peoples houses, kids still at school students still at university,transport workers still working not really a lockdown is it ? Ohh and dont forget Covid stays out the supermarkets! x
Supermarket workers should be getting paid more for working during the pandemic....they worked all through the last lockdown aswell"Lots of people have continued to work . In my area one supermarket has not been following the rules regarding workers wearing masks ..virtually non existent , or hanging over one ear ...ive complained but last week was the same so i will now shop elsewhere! | |||
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"Most people stick to rules but....Tradesmen still allowed in peoples houses, kids still at school students still at university,transport workers still working not really a lockdown is it ? Ohh and dont forget Covid stays out the supermarkets! x
Or... people need food to survive and delivering it to the population is logistically impossible, so we have to keep them open?
Yes cos we supermarket workers are immune to covid! X"Did I say that? Have I ever given any indication that I want to do anything other than protect everyone? | |||
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"We have a system in shambles and people not doing as they're told. Or doing as they're told and spreading it anyway. We either let it rip (barbaric and the death/disability toll will be huge), take decisive measures that have worked elsewhere, or be stuck in this current mess which is bad for basically everything. To me the choice is clear, but then it has been all along. But you still have to rely on people behaving the right way....unless it's a completely policed properly.. Agreed. But I don't think the people of Australia or New Zealand are somehow so much more virus aware or community minded or intelligent than those in the US and the UK. I think they're about the same. They just have way less risk to deal with, because of the policies put in place. And because they have less risk to deal with, they get to have their lives more or less back, while we're stuck with this godawful mess. So what policies would you put in place... You said better track and trace.. Would you shut down travel or just police it better I'd shut the border to the UK except with approval like they have in Australia. I'd use known methods for getting names of contacts of people who've tested positive. I'd pay them a meaningful amount of money to allow them to not leave their home for 14 days, and where their living conditions are too cramped to isolate properly (if I didn't live alone I couldn't isolate) I'd put them in suitable accommodation. Does all this add up financially? Sure. But in Australia they consider *any* new case where they don't know the source a failure. In our summer Victoria alone had almost the same number of cases as us, they're down to zero. I'd consider making school 50% attendance to reduce bubble size, ramp up support for those who can't learn at home (laptop/WiFi). Masks in classrooms for 11+. Fund cleaning and ventilation. I know I said it before but this all adds up... And the problem is,there might be no end in sight... It sounds a lot better than what's going on there the moment tho It does. But so does lockdown. I'd rather spend the money on stuff that works. Fix the leaky boat rather than just try to use buckets." Def.....but how long will it take... So ideal scenario....numbers go down...like zero again... People relax and get complacent... Plane loads arrive again... Infection rates start rising | |||
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"Most people stick to rules but....Tradesmen still allowed in peoples houses, kids still at school students still at university,transport workers still working not really a lockdown is it ? Ohh and dont forget Covid stays out the supermarkets! x
Supermarket workers should be getting paid more for working during the pandemic....they worked all through the last lockdown aswell
Lots of people have continued to work . In my area one supermarket has not been following the rules regarding workers wearing masks ..virtually non existent , or hanging over one ear ...ive complained but last week was the same so i will now shop elsewhere! "That's shameful... Def take your buisness elsewhere | |||
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"Most people stick to rules but....Tradesmen still allowed in peoples houses, kids still at school students still at university,transport workers still working not really a lockdown is it ? Ohh and dont forget Covid stays out the supermarkets! x
Or... people need food to survive and delivering it to the population is logistically impossible, so we have to keep them open?
Yes cos we supermarket workers are immune to covid! X
Did I say that? Have I ever given any indication that I want to do anything other than protect everyone?"No u havent but that's just it we cant can we?? X | |||
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"Most people stick to rules but....Tradesmen still allowed in peoples houses, kids still at school students still at university,transport workers still working not really a lockdown is it ? Ohh and dont forget Covid stays out the supermarkets! x
Supermarket workers should be getting paid more for working during the pandemic....they worked all through the last lockdown aswell
We getting 10% of work done through lock down so overtime as well! "So are you telling me that ye are on a go slow at work... Ahhhhh here....the main thing is that ya stay safe | |||
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" Def.....but how long will it take... So ideal scenario....numbers go down...like zero again... People relax and get complacent... Plane loads arrive again... Infection rates start rising" I don't know. Australia has said that it's closed (apart from limited numbers in government run quarantine, and it's bubbled with New Zealand) until there's a vaccine. Right now, there's about 60 cases in the square mile where I live. No fucker can trace that level of infection. Each person spreads to 2-3 people, and off it goes. Imagine there were 60 cases in the UK, because we've done the work to bring it down. We easily have the resources to trace all of the contacts of all of the cases. Given the amount of money we're paying on furlough now, we could easily pay all... say 1000 contacts to stay at home and not starve, or put some of them up in a guarded hotel room for 14 days. We could get our lives back to normal, more or less, and squash any small outbreaks before they turn into a clusterfuck like we have now. Kids could go to school, we could work properly, etc. This has always been in our power and will always be in our power. It requires the government to do it. I actually think it'd be cheaper. And it'd ruin the economy less, and less people would die or be left with disability. | |||
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"Most people stick to rules but....Tradesmen still allowed in peoples houses, kids still at school students still at university,transport workers still working not really a lockdown is it ? Ohh and dont forget Covid stays out the supermarkets! x
Or... people need food to survive and delivering it to the population is logistically impossible, so we have to keep them open?
Yes cos we supermarket workers are immune to covid! X
Did I say that? Have I ever given any indication that I want to do anything other than protect everyone?
No u havent but that's just it we cant can we?? X"Masks help, a lot. Distancing helps, a lot. Limitations in stores etc. The measures we've taken. I do my best, shop as little as I can, and am very very grateful to the people in my local supermarket (I nearly had a panic attack the other week and the lady at the checkout was wonderful, bless her). | |||
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"Most people stick to rules but....Tradesmen still allowed in peoples houses, kids still at school students still at university,transport workers still working not really a lockdown is it ? Ohh and dont forget Covid stays out the supermarkets! x
Supermarket workers should be getting paid more for working during the pandemic....they worked all through the last lockdown aswell
We getting 10% of work done through lock down so overtime as well!
So are you telling me that ye are on a go slow at work...
Ahhhhh here....the main thing is that ya stay safe"Lol! U joking I'm new and I whizz round with that trolley have to pick 164 items an hour! I been there since mid sep and today I really felt accomplished! I made 168 first time ever! Usually I make 150 at most! I was expecting a fanfare at end of shift! Ha ha x | |||
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"Most people stick to rules but....Tradesmen still allowed in peoples houses, kids still at school students still at university,transport workers still working not really a lockdown is it ? Ohh and dont forget Covid stays out the supermarkets! x
Or... people need food to survive and delivering it to the population is logistically impossible, so we have to keep them open?
Yes cos we supermarket workers are immune to covid! X
Did I say that? Have I ever given any indication that I want to do anything other than protect everyone?
No u havent but that's just it we cant can we?? X
Masks help, a lot. Distancing helps, a lot. Limitations in stores etc. The measures we've taken.
I do my best, shop as little as I can, and am very very grateful to the people in my local supermarket (I nearly had a panic attack the other week and the lady at the checkout was wonderful, bless her)."In an ideal world yes! But it dont happen but I'm not worried for myself in least! And I'm asthmatic/diabetic and 63! do what I'm required but honestly people are on top of each other in there! That said today was unusually quite and we was all picked by 9 happy days! X   | |||
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"Most people stick to rules but....Tradesmen still allowed in peoples houses, kids still at school students still at university,transport workers still working not really a lockdown is it ? Ohh and dont forget Covid stays out the supermarkets! x
Or... people need food to survive and delivering it to the population is logistically impossible, so we have to keep them open?
Yes cos we supermarket workers are immune to covid! X
Did I say that? Have I ever given any indication that I want to do anything other than protect everyone?
No u havent but that's just it we cant can we?? X
Masks help, a lot. Distancing helps, a lot. Limitations in stores etc. The measures we've taken.
I do my best, shop as little as I can, and am very very grateful to the people in my local supermarket (I nearly had a panic attack the other week and the lady at the checkout was wonderful, bless her).
In an ideal world yes! But it dont happen but I'm not worried for myself in least! And I'm asthmatic/diabetic and 63! do what I'm required but honestly people are on top of each other in there! That said today was unusually quite and we was all picked by 9 happy days! X "I realise that things are less than ideal, and they should not be. Again, the government should step up - we need the food supply to keep going and we need you all to facilitate that. Even if I didn't care about your health - and you know I do - I need you and people like you so I can keep my middle class pampered arse at home and not go hungry. (So even if I don't care, I need supermarket workers for me) | |||
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"According to published figures in the least densely populated areas of uk their is approx 50 people per sq km in the most dense places it can be 5700 people per sq km. Australia has 3 people per sq km, I'm not sure we are comparing like for like when using Australia as an example. Similarly using countries known to be China fobic for want of a better word, Japan, South Korea where it is unlikely many covid carriers entered the country before any action could be taken is realistic. Every country has different contributing factors, it's down to the population to take responsibility and not keep finding excuses for not doing so." 93% of Australian's population lives on less than 10% of the land mass. Greater Sydney, and that includes some fairly rural areas, has a population density of 430 people per square kilometre. Your argument is nonsense. | |||
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"We have a system in shambles and people not doing as they're told. Or doing as they're told and spreading it anyway. We either let it rip (barbaric and the death/disability toll will be huge), take decisive measures that have worked elsewhere, or be stuck in this current mess which is bad for basically everything. To me the choice is clear, but then it has been all along. But you still have to rely on people behaving the right way....unless it's a completely policed properly.. For the most I think people do conform even if they dont agree! But it's like everything in life there will allways b them that dont! Otherwise we would live in a perfect world no law breakers ! No need for police etc., x" As a nation, many British attitudes, when compared to many other countries, is a lot less respectful and willing to abide to rules.. We seem to have lost our community spirit in most places, our behaviour when out drinking is a lot more raucous than most other nations and we tend to think about only ourselves and immediate family. This is a generalisation, it doesn't apply to everyone but we can all think of someone that fits into many of those categories. The rules we have applied are generalised and probably the limit that any government could apply to the UK. Not because the majority won't agree to them but because the minority will kick up such a fuss that it makes dealing with it impossible. The climate change protesters highlight the issue this type of mentality can cause; the police having all leave cancelled to ensure resources were sufficient to police the protests while carrying out day to day policing. If the UK had a hard lockdown, a law to make everone wear face coverings and fines for those not complying, the protesters would be out in force again. It's minority rule; we are giving up our liberties for far longer all because a minority cannot and don't want to follow some very simple rules. They are the selfish minority; the ignorant minority; the minority that don't give a fuck about others, just care about themselves. | |||
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"Most people stick to rules but....Tradesmen still allowed in peoples houses, kids still at school students still at university,transport workers still working not really a lockdown is it ? Ohh and dont forget Covid stays out the supermarkets! x
Or... people need food to survive and delivering it to the population is logistically impossible, so we have to keep them open?
Yes cos we supermarket workers are immune to covid! X
Did I say that? Have I ever given any indication that I want to do anything other than protect everyone?
No u havent but that's just it we cant can we?? X
Masks help, a lot. Distancing helps, a lot. Limitations in stores etc. The measures we've taken.
I do my best, shop as little as I can, and am very very grateful to the people in my local supermarket (I nearly had a panic attack the other week and the lady at the checkout was wonderful, bless her).
In an ideal world yes! But it dont happen but I'm not worried for myself in least! And I'm asthmatic/diabetic and 63! do what I'm required but honestly people are on top of each other in there! That said today was unusually quite and we was all picked by 9 happy days! X
I realise that things are less than ideal, and they should not be. Again, the government should step up - we need the food supply to keep going and we need you all to facilitate that.
Even if I didn't care about your health - and you know I do - I need you and people like you so I can keep my middle class pampered arse at home and not go hungry. (So even if I don't care, I need supermarket workers for me)"
I b picking through thick and thin! Loves ya!! X | |||
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"According to published figures in the least densely populated areas of uk their is approx 50 people per sq km in the most dense places it can be 5700 people per sq km. Australia has 3 people per sq km, I'm not sure we are comparing like for like when using Australia as an example. Similarly using countries known to be China fobic for want of a better word, Japan, South Korea where it is unlikely many covid carriers entered the country before any action could be taken is realistic. Every country has different contributing factors, it's down to the population to take responsibility and not keep finding excuses for not doing so. 93% of Australian's population lives on less than 10% of the land mass. Greater Sydney, and that includes some fairly rural areas, has a population density of 430 people per square kilometre. Your argument is nonsense." Even at 10% of the land mass it's still less than 30 people per sq km. My argument is sound you just want to blame someone. | |||
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"According to published figures in the least densely populated areas of uk their is approx 50 people per sq km in the most dense places it can be 5700 people per sq km. Australia has 3 people per sq km, I'm not sure we are comparing like for like when using Australia as an example. Similarly using countries known to be China fobic for want of a better word, Japan, South Korea where it is unlikely many covid carriers entered the country before any action could be taken is realistic. Every country has different contributing factors, it's down to the population to take responsibility and not keep finding excuses for not doing so. 93% of Australian's population lives on less than 10% of the land mass. Greater Sydney, and that includes some fairly rural areas, has a population density of 430 people per square kilometre. Your argument is nonsense. Even at 10% of the land mass it's still less than 30 people per sq km. My argument is sound you just want to blame someone." 30 people per sq km. Where are you getting your figures from ? | |||
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"As a nation, many British attitudes, when compared to many other countries, is a lot less respectful and willing to abide to rules.. We seem to have lost our community spirit in most places, our behaviour when out drinking is a lot more raucous than most other nations and we tend to think about only ourselves and immediate family. This is a generalisation, it doesn't apply to everyone but we can all think of someone that fits into many of those categories. The rules we have applied are generalised and probably the limit that any government could apply to the UK. Not because the majority won't agree to them but because the minority will kick up such a fuss that it makes dealing with it impossible. The climate change protesters highlight the issue this type of mentality can cause; the police having all leave cancelled to ensure resources were sufficient to police the protests while carrying out day to day policing. If the UK had a hard lockdown, a law to make everone wear face coverings and fines for those not complying, the protesters would be out in force again. It's minority rule; we are giving up our liberties for far longer all because a minority cannot and don't want to follow some very simple rules. They are the selfish minority; the ignorant minority; the minority that don't give a fuck about others, just care about themselves. " This | |||
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"According to published figures in the least densely populated areas of uk their is approx 50 people per sq km in the most dense places it can be 5700 people per sq km. Australia has 3 people per sq km, I'm not sure we are comparing like for like when using Australia as an example. Similarly using countries known to be China fobic for want of a better word, Japan, South Korea where it is unlikely many covid carriers entered the country before any action could be taken is realistic. Every country has different contributing factors, it's down to the population to take responsibility and not keep finding excuses for not doing so. 93% of Australian's population lives on less than 10% of the land mass. Greater Sydney, and that includes some fairly rural areas, has a population density of 430 people per square kilometre. Your argument is nonsense. Even at 10% of the land mass it's still less than 30 people per sq km. My argument is sound you just want to blame someone. 30 people per sq km. Where are you getting your figures from ? " Tinternet, same as you and it's nearer 403 people per sq km in Sydney | |||
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"According to published figures in the least densely populated areas of uk their is approx 50 people per sq km in the most dense places it can be 5700 people per sq km. Australia has 3 people per sq km, I'm not sure we are comparing like for like when using Australia as an example. Similarly using countries known to be China fobic for want of a better word, Japan, South Korea where it is unlikely many covid carriers entered the country before any action could be taken is realistic. Every country has different contributing factors, it's down to the population to take responsibility and not keep finding excuses for not doing so. 93% of Australian's population lives on less than 10% of the land mass. Greater Sydney, and that includes some fairly rural areas, has a population density of 430 people per square kilometre. Your argument is nonsense. Even at 10% of the land mass it's still less than 30 people per sq km. My argument is sound you just want to blame someone. 30 people per sq km. Where are you getting your figures from ? Tinternet, same as you and it's nearer 403 people per sq km in Sydney" I asked a question, where in my post have i stated any figures? | |||
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"According to published figures in the least densely populated areas of uk their is approx 50 people per sq km in the most dense places it can be 5700 people per sq km. Australia has 3 people per sq km, I'm not sure we are comparing like for like when using Australia as an example. Similarly using countries known to be China fobic for want of a better word, Japan, South Korea where it is unlikely many covid carriers entered the country before any action could be taken is realistic. Every country has different contributing factors, it's down to the population to take responsibility and not keep finding excuses for not doing so. 93% of Australian's population lives on less than 10% of the land mass. Greater Sydney, and that includes some fairly rural areas, has a population density of 430 people per square kilometre. Your argument is nonsense. Even at 10% of the land mass it's still less than 30 people per sq km. My argument is sound you just want to blame someone." I'm from Australia. I've seen it work there. Greater Sydney has a population density of 430 people per square kilometre. According to NSW Health, New South Wales has had zero cases this week, nine last week, one from an unknown source. Further, the three weeks of cases to 7 November (latest data online), all 24 cases were acquired in south western Sydney, which (approximately, I've substituted the main town in south western Sydney for "south western Sydney local health district" due to inaccessibility of data) is 549 people per square kilometre. So in densely populated areas (like the UK) the state of New South Wales (8 million people) has had 24 cases total, but that's invalid because there are bits where no one lives? Please. | |||
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"Can somebody tell me who Sandra is? " A dozy mare that's well known for cleaning advice on facebake Loads like her too One of them suggested cleaning your toilet with a cocktail of shit that gives off poisonous fumes and possibly highly flammable In other words somebody that pretends they are an expert when actually they aren't and are potentially endangering life and there are enough idiots around that believe it all. A bit like the Bill Gates vaccine experts etc | |||
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"According to published figures in the least densely populated areas of uk their is approx 50 people per sq km in the most dense places it can be 5700 people per sq km. Australia has 3 people per sq km, I'm not sure we are comparing like for like when using Australia as an example. Similarly using countries known to be China fobic for want of a better word, Japan, South Korea where it is unlikely many covid carriers entered the country before any action could be taken is realistic. Every country has different contributing factors, it's down to the population to take responsibility and not keep finding excuses for not doing so. 93% of Australian's population lives on less than 10% of the land mass. Greater Sydney, and that includes some fairly rural areas, has a population density of 430 people per square kilometre. Your argument is nonsense. Even at 10% of the land mass it's still less than 30 people per sq km. My argument is sound you just want to blame someone. 30 people per sq km. Where are you getting your figures from ? Tinternet, same as you and it's nearer 403 people per sq km in Sydney" I think 430 and 403 is rather splitting hairs. You're arguing that because some cattle ranchers live on properties the size of countries, densely populated cities in Australia are somehow not subject to the same problems of densely populated cities in the UK. | |||
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"Most people stick to rules but....Tradesmen still allowed in peoples houses, kids still at school students still at university,transport workers still working not really a lockdown is it ? Ohh and dont forget Covid stays out the supermarkets! x
Or... people need food to survive and delivering it to the population is logistically impossible, so we have to keep them open?
Yes cos we supermarket workers are immune to covid! X"Why has there been an outbreak in all the supermarkets that's been missed by the BBC ? | |||
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"According to published figures in the least densely populated areas of uk their is approx 50 people per sq km in the most dense places it can be 5700 people per sq km. Australia has 3 people per sq km, I'm not sure we are comparing like for like when using Australia as an example. Similarly using countries known to be China fobic for want of a better word, Japan, South Korea where it is unlikely many covid carriers entered the country before any action could be taken is realistic. Every country has different contributing factors, it's down to the population to take responsibility and not keep finding excuses for not doing so. 93% of Australian's population lives on less than 10% of the land mass. Greater Sydney, and that includes some fairly rural areas, has a population density of 430 people per square kilometre. Your argument is nonsense. Even at 10% of the land mass it's still less than 30 people per sq km. My argument is sound you just want to blame someone. I'm from Australia. I've seen it work there. Greater Sydney has a population density of 430 people per square kilometre. According to NSW Health, New South Wales has had zero cases this week, nine last week, one from an unknown source. Further, the three weeks of cases to 7 November (latest data online), all 24 cases were acquired in south western Sydney, which (approximately, I've substituted the main town in south western Sydney for "south western Sydney local health district" due to inaccessibility of data) is 549 people per square kilometre. So in densely populated areas (like the UK) the state of New South Wales (8 million people) has had 24 cases total, but that's invalid because there are bits where no one lives? Please." Bits, don't you mean most! Even a drive from Sydney to Newcastle will take you through miles upon miles of nothing. There are many comparison that can be made to European countries and Australia with regards to population in built up areas and social behaviour. Australians still go out shopping, travel on public transport, etc. The shops and transport are no different from that of any other country. Australia's success story highlights that it can be done if the population work with the state, comply with the rules and act responsibly. | |||
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"According to published figures in the least densely populated areas of uk their is approx 50 people per sq km in the most dense places it can be 5700 people per sq km. Australia has 3 people per sq km, I'm not sure we are comparing like for like when using Australia as an example. Similarly using countries known to be China fobic for want of a better word, Japan, South Korea where it is unlikely many covid carriers entered the country before any action could be taken is realistic. Every country has different contributing factors, it's down to the population to take responsibility and not keep finding excuses for not doing so. 93% of Australian's population lives on less than 10% of the land mass. Greater Sydney, and that includes some fairly rural areas, has a population density of 430 people per square kilometre. Your argument is nonsense. Even at 10% of the land mass it's still less than 30 people per sq km. My argument is sound you just want to blame someone. I'm from Australia. I've seen it work there. Greater Sydney has a population density of 430 people per square kilometre. According to NSW Health, New South Wales has had zero cases this week, nine last week, one from an unknown source. Further, the three weeks of cases to 7 November (latest data online), all 24 cases were acquired in south western Sydney, which (approximately, I've substituted the main town in south western Sydney for "south western Sydney local health district" due to inaccessibility of data) is 549 people per square kilometre. So in densely populated areas (like the UK) the state of New South Wales (8 million people) has had 24 cases total, but that's invalid because there are bits where no one lives? Please. Bits, don't you mean most! Even a drive from Sydney to Newcastle will take you through miles upon miles of nothing. There are many comparison that can be made to European countries and Australia with regards to population in built up areas and social behaviour. Australians still go out shopping, travel on public transport, etc. The shops and transport are no different from that of any other country. Australia's success story highlights that it can be done if the population work with the state, comply with the rules and act responsibly. " Yes, most! It's laughable that people say we can't compare Australia. Not if we compare woop woop and the outback, no, but I'm explicitly talking Sydney and Melbourne FFS. Definitely. But first we need a system that works. | |||
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"According to published figures in the least densely populated areas of uk their is approx 50 people per sq km in the most dense places it can be 5700 people per sq km. Australia has 3 people per sq km, I'm not sure we are comparing like for like when using Australia as an example. Similarly using countries known to be China fobic for want of a better word, Japan, South Korea where it is unlikely many covid carriers entered the country before any action could be taken is realistic. Every country has different contributing factors, it's down to the population to take responsibility and not keep finding excuses for not doing so. 93% of Australian's population lives on less than 10% of the land mass. Greater Sydney, and that includes some fairly rural areas, has a population density of 430 people per square kilometre. Your argument is nonsense. Even at 10% of the land mass it's still less than 30 people per sq km. My argument is sound you just want to blame someone. I'm from Australia. I've seen it work there. Greater Sydney has a population density of 430 people per square kilometre. According to NSW Health, New South Wales has had zero cases this week, nine last week, one from an unknown source. Further, the three weeks of cases to 7 November (latest data online), all 24 cases were acquired in south western Sydney, which (approximately, I've substituted the main town in south western Sydney for "south western Sydney local health district" due to inaccessibility of data) is 549 people per square kilometre. So in densely populated areas (like the UK) the state of New South Wales (8 million people) has had 24 cases total, but that's invalid because there are bits where no one lives? Please. Bits, don't you mean most! Even a drive from Sydney to Newcastle will take you through miles upon miles of nothing. There are many comparison that can be made to European countries and Australia with regards to population in built up areas and social behaviour. Australians still go out shopping, travel on public transport, etc. The shops and transport are no different from that of any other country. Australia's success story highlights that it can be done if the population work with the state, comply with the rules and act responsibly. Yes, most! It's laughable that people say we can't compare Australia. Not if we compare woop woop and the outback, no, but I'm explicitly talking Sydney and Melbourne FFS. Definitely. But first we need a system that works." Very true.... | |||
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"According to published figures in the least densely populated areas of uk their is approx 50 people per sq km in the most dense places it can be 5700 people per sq km. Australia has 3 people per sq km, I'm not sure we are comparing like for like when using Australia as an example. Similarly using countries known to be China fobic for want of a better word, Japan, South Korea where it is unlikely many covid carriers entered the country before any action could be taken is realistic. Every country has different contributing factors, it's down to the population to take responsibility and not keep finding excuses for not doing so. 93% of Australian's population lives on less than 10% of the land mass. Greater Sydney, and that includes some fairly rural areas, has a population density of 430 people per square kilometre. Your argument is nonsense. Even at 10% of the land mass it's still less than 30 people per sq km. My argument is sound you just want to blame someone. I'm from Australia. I've seen it work there. Greater Sydney has a population density of 430 people per square kilometre. According to NSW Health, New South Wales has had zero cases this week, nine last week, one from an unknown source. Further, the three weeks of cases to 7 November (latest data online), all 24 cases were acquired in south western Sydney, which (approximately, I've substituted the main town in south western Sydney for "south western Sydney local health district" due to inaccessibility of data) is 549 people per square kilometre. So in densely populated areas (like the UK) the state of New South Wales (8 million people) has had 24 cases total, but that's invalid because there are bits where no one lives? Please. Bits, don't you mean most! Even a drive from Sydney to Newcastle will take you through miles upon miles of nothing. There are many comparison that can be made to European countries and Australia with regards to population in built up areas and social behaviour. Australians still go out shopping, travel on public transport, etc. The shops and transport are no different from that of any other country. Australia's success story highlights that it can be done if the population work with the state, comply with the rules and act responsibly. Yes, most! It's laughable that people say we can't compare Australia. Not if we compare woop woop and the outback, no, but I'm explicitly talking Sydney and Melbourne FFS. Definitely. But first we need a system that works." No one has a system that works 100%. It mainly relies upon us being compliant and can be complemented by systems such as track and trace and mass testing. South Korea has done well only because the track and trace were able to look at peoples bank accounts, social media,etc. to see where they had been and find those who they may have been in contact with. Very intrusive some may think, but it worked as it didn't require the public to remember or be truthful about their movements. They also had a robust test system in place already and were able to roll it out very quickly. For the rest of the world where this is a first in our own time, it's been a huge learning curve. Governments have had to adapt what they can to fit the social systems of that country. Those able to have the strictest control seem to be the ones that have done the best in controlling the virus in their country. | |||
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"According to published figures in the least densely populated areas of uk their is approx 50 people per sq km in the most dense places it can be 5700 people per sq km. Australia has 3 people per sq km, I'm not sure we are comparing like for like when using Australia as an example. Similarly using countries known to be China fobic for want of a better word, Japan, South Korea where it is unlikely many covid carriers entered the country before any action could be taken is realistic. Every country has different contributing factors, it's down to the population to take responsibility and not keep finding excuses for not doing so. 93% of Australian's population lives on less than 10% of the land mass. Greater Sydney, and that includes some fairly rural areas, has a population density of 430 people per square kilometre. Your argument is nonsense. Even at 10% of the land mass it's still less than 30 people per sq km. My argument is sound you just want to blame someone. I'm from Australia. I've seen it work there. Greater Sydney has a population density of 430 people per square kilometre. According to NSW Health, New South Wales has had zero cases this week, nine last week, one from an unknown source. Further, the three weeks of cases to 7 November (latest data online), all 24 cases were acquired in south western Sydney, which (approximately, I've substituted the main town in south western Sydney for "south western Sydney local health district" due to inaccessibility of data) is 549 people per square kilometre. So in densely populated areas (like the UK) the state of New South Wales (8 million people) has had 24 cases total, but that's invalid because there are bits where no one lives? Please. Bits, don't you mean most! Even a drive from Sydney to Newcastle will take you through miles upon miles of nothing. There are many comparison that can be made to European countries and Australia with regards to population in built up areas and social behaviour. Australians still go out shopping, travel on public transport, etc. The shops and transport are no different from that of any other country. Australia's success story highlights that it can be done if the population work with the state, comply with the rules and act responsibly. Yes, most! It's laughable that people say we can't compare Australia. Not if we compare woop woop and the outback, no, but I'm explicitly talking Sydney and Melbourne FFS. Definitely. But first we need a system that works. No one has a system that works 100%. It mainly relies upon us being compliant and can be complemented by systems such as track and trace and mass testing. South Korea has done well only because the track and trace were able to look at peoples bank accounts, social media,etc. to see where they had been and find those who they may have been in contact with. Very intrusive some may think, but it worked as it didn't require the public to remember or be truthful about their movements. They also had a robust test system in place already and were able to roll it out very quickly. For the rest of the world where this is a first in our own time, it's been a huge learning curve. Governments have had to adapt what they can to fit the social systems of that country. Those able to have the strictest control seem to be the ones that have done the best in controlling the virus in their country. " No, no system works 100%. But the system in the UK has been utterly disastrous. Whether that's gaining trust and compliance or problems in the system or other things. The government has been incompetent and has cost countless lives. And before you say look to your own behaviour first... believe me I bloody do. | |||
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"According to published figures in the least densely populated areas of uk their is approx 50 people per sq km in the most dense places it can be 5700 people per sq km. Australia has 3 people per sq km, I'm not sure we are comparing like for like when using Australia as an example. Similarly using countries known to be China fobic for want of a better word, Japan, South Korea where it is unlikely many covid carriers entered the country before any action could be taken is realistic. Every country has different contributing factors, it's down to the population to take responsibility and not keep finding excuses for not doing so. 93% of Australian's population lives on less than 10% of the land mass. Greater Sydney, and that includes some fairly rural areas, has a population density of 430 people per square kilometre. Your argument is nonsense. Even at 10% of the land mass it's still less than 30 people per sq km. My argument is sound you just want to blame someone. I'm from Australia. I've seen it work there. Greater Sydney has a population density of 430 people per square kilometre. According to NSW Health, New South Wales has had zero cases this week, nine last week, one from an unknown source. Further, the three weeks of cases to 7 November (latest data online), all 24 cases were acquired in south western Sydney, which (approximately, I've substituted the main town in south western Sydney for "south western Sydney local health district" due to inaccessibility of data) is 549 people per square kilometre. So in densely populated areas (like the UK) the state of New South Wales (8 million people) has had 24 cases total, but that's invalid because there are bits where no one lives? Please. Bits, don't you mean most! Even a drive from Sydney to Newcastle will take you through miles upon miles of nothing. There are many comparison that can be made to European countries and Australia with regards to population in built up areas and social behaviour. Australians still go out shopping, travel on public transport, etc. The shops and transport are no different from that of any other country. Australia's success story highlights that it can be done if the population work with the state, comply with the rules and act responsibly. Yes, most! It's laughable that people say we can't compare Australia. Not if we compare woop woop and the outback, no, but I'm explicitly talking Sydney and Melbourne FFS. Definitely. But first we need a system that works. No one has a system that works 100%. It mainly relies upon us being compliant and can be complemented by systems such as track and trace and mass testing. South Korea has done well only because the track and trace were able to look at peoples bank accounts, social media,etc. to see where they had been and find those who they may have been in contact with. Very intrusive some may think, but it worked as it didn't require the public to remember or be truthful about their movements. They also had a robust test system in place already and were able to roll it out very quickly. For the rest of the world where this is a first in our own time, it's been a huge learning curve. Governments have had to adapt what they can to fit the social systems of that country. Those able to have the strictest control seem to be the ones that have done the best in controlling the virus in their country. No, no system works 100%. But the system in the UK has been utterly disastrous. Whether that's gaining trust and compliance or problems in the system or other things. The government has been incompetent and has cost countless lives. And before you say look to your own behaviour first... believe me I bloody do." Too many gobshites with a built in distrust of anything they think inhibits their civil liberties to be assholes ? | |||
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"According to published figures in the least densely populated areas of uk their is approx 50 people per sq km in the most dense places it can be 5700 people per sq km. Australia has 3 people per sq km, I'm not sure we are comparing like for like when using Australia as an example. Similarly using countries known to be China fobic for want of a better word, Japan, South Korea where it is unlikely many covid carriers entered the country before any action could be taken is realistic. Every country has different contributing factors, it's down to the population to take responsibility and not keep finding excuses for not doing so. 93% of Australian's population lives on less than 10% of the land mass. Greater Sydney, and that includes some fairly rural areas, has a population density of 430 people per square kilometre. Your argument is nonsense. Even at 10% of the land mass it's still less than 30 people per sq km. My argument is sound you just want to blame someone. I'm from Australia. I've seen it work there. Greater Sydney has a population density of 430 people per square kilometre. According to NSW Health, New South Wales has had zero cases this week, nine last week, one from an unknown source. Further, the three weeks of cases to 7 November (latest data online), all 24 cases were acquired in south western Sydney, which (approximately, I've substituted the main town in south western Sydney for "south western Sydney local health district" due to inaccessibility of data) is 549 people per square kilometre. So in densely populated areas (like the UK) the state of New South Wales (8 million people) has had 24 cases total, but that's invalid because there are bits where no one lives? Please. Bits, don't you mean most! Even a drive from Sydney to Newcastle will take you through miles upon miles of nothing. There are many comparison that can be made to European countries and Australia with regards to population in built up areas and social behaviour. Australians still go out shopping, travel on public transport, etc. The shops and transport are no different from that of any other country. Australia's success story highlights that it can be done if the population work with the state, comply with the rules and act responsibly. Yes, most! It's laughable that people say we can't compare Australia. Not if we compare woop woop and the outback, no, but I'm explicitly talking Sydney and Melbourne FFS. Definitely. But first we need a system that works. No one has a system that works 100%. It mainly relies upon us being compliant and can be complemented by systems such as track and trace and mass testing. South Korea has done well only because the track and trace were able to look at peoples bank accounts, social media,etc. to see where they had been and find those who they may have been in contact with. Very intrusive some may think, but it worked as it didn't require the public to remember or be truthful about their movements. They also had a robust test system in place already and were able to roll it out very quickly. For the rest of the world where this is a first in our own time, it's been a huge learning curve. Governments have had to adapt what they can to fit the social systems of that country. Those able to have the strictest control seem to be the ones that have done the best in controlling the virus in their country. No, no system works 100%. But the system in the UK has been utterly disastrous. Whether that's gaining trust and compliance or problems in the system or other things. The government has been incompetent and has cost countless lives. And before you say look to your own behaviour first... believe me I bloody do. Too many gobshites with a built in distrust of anything they think inhibits their civil liberties to be assholes ?" Def....remember that the govt is conning everyone, They are getting people ready for the new world govt... This vaccine will have a chip in it that'll tell the government where you are at all times....(they wont just have to look at where you tagged yourself on facebook or instagram...or used your phone last..or your bank card) The govt is also "up" to something...what it is I couldn't tell you...but they are at it Its abusing my civil liberties by asking me to wear a mask and wash my hands.... It's nearly a dictatorship(the absolute tools saying this...please google dictator/dictatorship) | |||
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"Most people stick to rules but....Tradesmen still allowed in peoples houses, kids still at school students still at university,transport workers still working not really a lockdown is it ? I think the term lockdown is unhelpful. The "term" should be modified to something more indicative to what it is. Semi-lockdown, maybe..." Restrictions, shelter in place, community health measures... | |||
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"According to published figures in the least densely populated areas of uk their is approx 50 people per sq km in the most dense places it can be 5700 people per sq km. Australia has 3 people per sq km, I'm not sure we are comparing like for like when using Australia as an example. Similarly using countries known to be China fobic for want of a better word, Japan, South Korea where it is unlikely many covid carriers entered the country before any action could be taken is realistic. Every country has different contributing factors, it's down to the population to take responsibility and not keep finding excuses for not doing so. 93% of Australian's population lives on less than 10% of the land mass. Greater Sydney, and that includes some fairly rural areas, has a population density of 430 people per square kilometre. Your argument is nonsense. Even at 10% of the land mass it's still less than 30 people per sq km. My argument is sound you just want to blame someone. I'm from Australia. I've seen it work there. Greater Sydney has a population density of 430 people per square kilometre. According to NSW Health, New South Wales has had zero cases this week, nine last week, one from an unknown source. Further, the three weeks of cases to 7 November (latest data online), all 24 cases were acquired in south western Sydney, which (approximately, I've substituted the main town in south western Sydney for "south western Sydney local health district" due to inaccessibility of data) is 549 people per square kilometre. So in densely populated areas (like the UK) the state of New South Wales (8 million people) has had 24 cases total, but that's invalid because there are bits where no one lives? Please. Bits, don't you mean most! Even a drive from Sydney to Newcastle will take you through miles upon miles of nothing. There are many comparison that can be made to European countries and Australia with regards to population in built up areas and social behaviour. Australians still go out shopping, travel on public transport, etc. The shops and transport are no different from that of any other country. Australia's success story highlights that it can be done if the population work with the state, comply with the rules and act responsibly. Yes, most! It's laughable that people say we can't compare Australia. Not if we compare woop woop and the outback, no, but I'm explicitly talking Sydney and Melbourne FFS. Definitely. But first we need a system that works. No one has a system that works 100%. It mainly relies upon us being compliant and can be complemented by systems such as track and trace and mass testing. South Korea has done well only because the track and trace were able to look at peoples bank accounts, social media,etc. to see where they had been and find those who they may have been in contact with. Very intrusive some may think, but it worked as it didn't require the public to remember or be truthful about their movements. They also had a robust test system in place already and were able to roll it out very quickly. For the rest of the world where this is a first in our own time, it's been a huge learning curve. Governments have had to adapt what they can to fit the social systems of that country. Those able to have the strictest control seem to be the ones that have done the best in controlling the virus in their country. No, no system works 100%. But the system in the UK has been utterly disastrous. Whether that's gaining trust and compliance or problems in the system or other things. The government has been incompetent and has cost countless lives. And before you say look to your own behaviour first... believe me I bloody do." Has the system in France, Italy, Germany or Spain been any better? Has any elected government or free state really managed to get a handle on the situation? It's easy to be critical and blame the government when things aren't going right; an easy target. But your negativity and moaning about the system isn't going to help it because you don't have the answer or a fuck load of fairy dust that can fix the situation. We are all responsible for ensuring we try to avoid catching the virus by wearing a mask, keeping distance, washing our hands regularly and isolate when we have been in contact with someone who tests positive. It also requires those around us to do likewise and when they don't, That's when it goes wrong. Boris Johnson isn't out there spreading the virus to us all, in fact he is doing the opposite and isolating as its still not known if you can catch the virus more than once. Ok, it could be said that he has to as to set an example and we shouldn't expect him not to. We are being asked to do four simple things, none of which are complicated or take much effort. The sooner everyone understands that this, the sooner the levels become enough that track and trace is 99% efficient, outbreaks can be contained quickly and unsuccessfully and infection rates continue to fall towards zero. As for trust, it would seem that whatever a government does, there will be a minority that will always distrust them and those who will blame the government for not doing enough, going too far, spending too much, not spending enough.... They can put in all the plans they want which is based upon the information from white hall advisors and other advisory bodies, who are the same ones irrelevant of which political party is in power. If the information they supply isn't quite right, it's not due to the governments failure. Likewise, I'm sure most have seen this is a global pandemic, every country worldwide has been after the same equipment to deal with the virus in their homeland, this has driven a shortage in chemicals and equipment which has never had the demand that it currently has and cannot cope with. There is a bigger picture, you need to look at that before apportioning blame. | |||
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"According to published figures in the least densely populated areas of uk their is approx 50 people per sq km in the most dense places it can be 5700 people per sq km. Australia has 3 people per sq km, I'm not sure we are comparing like for like when using Australia as an example. Similarly using countries known to be China fobic for want of a better word, Japan, South Korea where it is unlikely many covid carriers entered the country before any action could be taken is realistic. Every country has different contributing factors, it's down to the population to take responsibility and not keep finding excuses for not doing so. 93% of Australian's population lives on less than 10% of the land mass. Greater Sydney, and that includes some fairly rural areas, has a population density of 430 people per square kilometre. Your argument is nonsense. Even at 10% of the land mass it's still less than 30 people per sq km. My argument is sound you just want to blame someone. I'm from Australia. I've seen it work there. Greater Sydney has a population density of 430 people per square kilometre. According to NSW Health, New South Wales has had zero cases this week, nine last week, one from an unknown source. Further, the three weeks of cases to 7 November (latest data online), all 24 cases were acquired in south western Sydney, which (approximately, I've substituted the main town in south western Sydney for "south western Sydney local health district" due to inaccessibility of data) is 549 people per square kilometre. So in densely populated areas (like the UK) the state of New South Wales (8 million people) has had 24 cases total, but that's invalid because there are bits where no one lives? Please. Bits, don't you mean most! Even a drive from Sydney to Newcastle will take you through miles upon miles of nothing. There are many comparison that can be made to European countries and Australia with regards to population in built up areas and social behaviour. Australians still go out shopping, travel on public transport, etc. The shops and transport are no different from that of any other country. Australia's success story highlights that it can be done if the population work with the state, comply with the rules and act responsibly. Yes, most! It's laughable that people say we can't compare Australia. Not if we compare woop woop and the outback, no, but I'm explicitly talking Sydney and Melbourne FFS. Definitely. But first we need a system that works. No one has a system that works 100%. It mainly relies upon us being compliant and can be complemented by systems such as track and trace and mass testing. South Korea has done well only because the track and trace were able to look at peoples bank accounts, social media,etc. to see where they had been and find those who they may have been in contact with. Very intrusive some may think, but it worked as it didn't require the public to remember or be truthful about their movements. They also had a robust test system in place already and were able to roll it out very quickly. For the rest of the world where this is a first in our own time, it's been a huge learning curve. Governments have had to adapt what they can to fit the social systems of that country. Those able to have the strictest control seem to be the ones that have done the best in controlling the virus in their country. No, no system works 100%. But the system in the UK has been utterly disastrous. Whether that's gaining trust and compliance or problems in the system or other things. The government has been incompetent and has cost countless lives. And before you say look to your own behaviour first... believe me I bloody do. Too many gobshites with a built in distrust of anything they think inhibits their civil liberties to be assholes ? Def....remember that the govt is conning everyone, They are getting people ready for the new world govt... This vaccine will have a chip in it that'll tell the government where you are at all times....(they wont just have to look at where you tagged yourself on facebook or instagram...or used your phone last..or your bank card) The govt is also "up" to something...what it is I couldn't tell you...but they are at it Its abusing my civil liberties by asking me to wear a mask and wash my hands.... It's nearly a dictatorship(the absolute tools saying this...please google dictator/dictatorship) " Lovely ! x | |||
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"Has the system in France, Italy, Germany or Spain been any better? Has any elected government or free state really managed to get a handle on the situation? It's easy to be critical and blame the government when things aren't going right; an easy target. But your negativity and moaning about the system isn't going to help it because you don't have the answer or a fuck load of fairy dust that can fix the situation. We are all responsible for ensuring we try to avoid catching the virus by wearing a mask, keeping distance, washing our hands regularly and isolate when we have been in contact with someone who tests positive. It also requires those around us to do likewise and when they don't, That's when it goes wrong. Boris Johnson isn't out there spreading the virus to us all, in fact he is doing the opposite and isolating as its still not known if you can catch the virus more than once. Ok, it could be said that he has to as to set an example and we shouldn't expect him not to. We are being asked to do four simple things, none of which are complicated or take much effort. The sooner everyone understands that this, the sooner the levels become enough that track and trace is 99% efficient, outbreaks can be contained quickly and unsuccessfully and infection rates continue to fall towards zero. As for trust, it would seem that whatever a government does, there will be a minority that will always distrust them and those who will blame the government for not doing enough, going too far, spending too much, not spending enough.... They can put in all the plans they want which is based upon the information from white hall advisors and other advisory bodies, who are the same ones irrelevant of which political party is in power. If the information they supply isn't quite right, it's not due to the governments failure. Likewise, I'm sure most have seen this is a global pandemic, every country worldwide has been after the same equipment to deal with the virus in their homeland, this has driven a shortage in chemicals and equipment which has never had the demand that it currently has and cannot cope with. There is a bigger picture, you need to look at that before apportioning blame." Countries with free governments which have done better: Australia. New Zealand. Culturally quite similar to the UK. We were just talking about Australia, let's not shift the goal posts. And yes, Australia and New Zealand are geographically isolated, but closing borders is still within the remit of the UK government. You were happy talking about Australia when you thought it was just about blaming people. I take personal responsibility. I help others do so through my work. I talk about it on here. My money is where my mouth is. But it's not enough. 70-80% of people indicate support, but it's not enough, the pandemic is out of control. The UK government has failed and continues to fail, and it costs us all dearly. Yes some people are taking the piss, but it is the job of the government to govern. They seem to want to be world beating spirit of the Blitz Churchill types when it suits them, but at the same time are so incompetent that they want a gold star for colouring in the lines. If we're a great country, let's have a great government that actually takes responsibility for its actions. If the Cabinet had been in a regular job, they'd have been sacked for gross incompetence and possibly prosecuted. Let's treat them like adults and hold them accountable for their actions. | |||
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"Most people stick to rules but....Tradesmen still allowed in peoples houses, kids still at school students still at university,transport workers still working not really a lockdown is it ? I think the term lockdown is unhelpful. The "term" should be modified to something more indicative to what it is. Semi-lockdown, maybe... Restrictions, shelter in place, community health measures..." Community health measures i like. It says what is needed and what should be sufficient. But only sufficient if backed by proper government measures. The story in the uk from day one has been not just utterly useless government, but in fact them actually making decisions that have increased the problems. It should not have been hard, if there had been intelligence at the top to understand what was happening (even just watching the tv reports from asia, then italy as it spread into europe, was sufficient to see what to do before it had even touched the shores of the uk), and the resolve to spend a few million to fix it when it was small. Instead we had a prime minister more interested in having post-election holidays, a psychpathic chief spad who decided against all scientific advice that "herd immunity" was fine, continual delayed reaction again and again every time letting the problem grow too big so that only the most draconian (and most bloody expensive!) measures would even start to bring the death rate down, an institutional corruptness at the heart of government in criminally giving millions upon millions of pounds of contracts to their own friends and relatives, playing of party politics with peoples health and lives, the cummings barnard castle affair destroying the authority of government to ask anyone to make sacrifices themselves... I could go on, none of this is speculation or open to interpretation, we have ALL seen it happen over the last nine months. It was possible to solve because other countries have solved it. It was possible to solve because we are surrounded by sea and have control of 99.999% of the ingress of people to the country. It was possible to solve because it would have been shitloads easier and a million times cheaper to have forced, guarded, paid quarantine in commandeered airport hotels for returning Brits at the start of the pandemic, than it has been to have months of attempted locking down of the whole population - while still letting people go out and come back bringing fresh infection to the country! (Almost all the current infection is from a strain of covid that started in spain this summer - bloody idiots jumping on planes again the very first instant they could). Too late now. It has cost thousands of billions of pounds. It has killed well over 50 thousand people here, and left an uncounted number with life changing illness. We are in a worse infection position than we were before the government even started taking any measures. Not a hope in hell of getting back to anything approaching normal. | |||
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"Most people stick to rules but....Tradesmen still allowed in peoples houses, kids still at school students still at university,transport workers still working not really a lockdown is it ? I think the term lockdown is unhelpful. The "term" should be modified to something more indicative to what it is. Semi-lockdown, maybe... Restrictions, shelter in place, community health measures... Community health measures i like. It says what is needed and what should be sufficient. But only sufficient if backed by proper government measures. The story in the uk from day one has been not just utterly useless government, but in fact them actually making decisions that have increased the problems. It should not have been hard, if there had been intelligence at the top to understand what was happening (even just watching the tv reports from asia, then italy as it spread into europe, was sufficient to see what to do before it had even touched the shores of the uk), and the resolve to spend a few million to fix it when it was small. Instead we had a prime minister more interested in having post-election holidays, a psychpathic chief spad who decided against all scientific advice that "herd immunity" was fine, continual delayed reaction again and again every time letting the problem grow too big so that only the most draconian (and most bloody expensive!) measures would even start to bring the death rate down, an institutional corruptness at the heart of government in criminally giving millions upon millions of pounds of contracts to their own friends and relatives, playing of party politics with peoples health and lives, the cummings barnard castle affair destroying the authority of government to ask anyone to make sacrifices themselves... I could go on, none of this is speculation or open to interpretation, we have ALL seen it happen over the last nine months. It was possible to solve because other countries have solved it. It was possible to solve because we are surrounded by sea and have control of 99.999% of the ingress of people to the country. It was possible to solve because it would have been shitloads easier and a million times cheaper to have forced, guarded, paid quarantine in commandeered airport hotels for returning Brits at the start of the pandemic, than it has been to have months of attempted locking down of the whole population - while still letting people go out and come back bringing fresh infection to the country! (Almost all the current infection is from a strain of covid that started in spain this summer - bloody idiots jumping on planes again the very first instant they could). Too late now. It has cost thousands of billions of pounds. It has killed well over 50 thousand people here, and left an uncounted number with life changing illness. We are in a worse infection position than we were before the government even started taking any measures. Not a hope in hell of getting back to anything approaching normal." You are spot on as usual | |||
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"In the first part someone asked what to do now. So my opinion: 1. Let`s do this month lockdown properly, hopefully we can push back the number of infections to somewhere that is possible to deal with that properly. (approx where we were at late summer) 2. Once we reached that point, set up paid testing points. Not from NHS money, but paid by the patients and make it pricy if needed. Even £200-£300. But a negative test should give a "free pass" for 2-3 days, so those people can taste a bit of real life again, whatever it means for them. Theatre, wedding, swinger club, whatever. Maybe you won`t do it weekly, but once a month is still something, at least you can have some proper social life. And its also a huge help to the economy. 3. The latest news are about the vaccine and say it`s efficient in ~90% of cases, which is amazing! From this point, I can`t believe, neither accept that it won`t be available for the mess public for another half year, or longer. No matter, what is the cost, there is no bigger issue for the humanity right now, if we have the receipt, then share it and lets produce it in every single developed country where it is possible. Don`t let it be a market competition for Pharmacy businesses. All governments of the world must put their money together and pay the inventor BLOODY WELL, so they can have their profit for the invention, not after sales. 4. I also can`t accept the excuse that work out the logistics how to deliver the vaccine to people will take months. Get involve all logistic companies of the world. A new Iphone or Adidas trainer is available in every corner of the world within a week after release. So do not joke with us. How many aircrafts are parking empty coz of this virus??? Money does not matter. We also being told that we do not have enough fridge??? FFS!!!! 5. Hopefully we already have the vaccine. But if we need to do further testing, or thinking about future pandemic, all governments of the world must consider the situation as a war. Because it is. And in a war, there are different rules needed. When doctors agree that human challenge trials can speed up the process, there is no room for questions. Pay volunteers bloody well, £50K, £100K each, doesnt matter. 30K volunteers even with £100K each cost 3 billion. Thats nothing in this situation. Give me that money, I`m up for it. And if any human right activist try to decide instead of me that what I should be allowed to do or what not, tell them where should they stick their finger. Because it happened, hundreds of thousands of volunteers would`ve been happily participate in human challenge trials if that pays well, but human right activists blocked it as the exploitation of the poor. Because working in mine for decades or sewing clothes for £5 a day all your life won`t destroy your health... But that don`t bother those super-sensitive human right activist, I bet they all have a smartphone, and never thought about how was the battery made... And I know, many wont agree, but a war is a war. This country killed thousands in wars just in the past 2-3 decades. Also sent their own soldiers to die. So don`t be so sensitive, and let`s overwrite human rights. Murderes, terrorist, rapist do not deserve it, so we can use them for the riskiest test. For the sake and safety of millions of innocents. But if you don`t agree, don`t worry I have zero chance to become the ruler of the world in the forseeable future, so these won`t happen... Instead we will be told to learn to live within our "new normal". "New normal" and "social distancing" have became my most hated words ever! "How ridiculous to say overrule human rights! X | |||
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"Has the system in France, Italy, Germany or Spain been any better? Has any elected government or free state really managed to get a handle on the situation? It's easy to be critical and blame the government when things aren't going right; an easy target. But your negativity and moaning about the system isn't going to help it because you don't have the answer or a fuck load of fairy dust that can fix the situation. We are all responsible for ensuring we try to avoid catching the virus by wearing a mask, keeping distance, washing our hands regularly and isolate when we have been in contact with someone who tests positive. It also requires those around us to do likewise and when they don't, That's when it goes wrong. Boris Johnson isn't out there spreading the virus to us all, in fact he is doing the opposite and isolating as its still not known if you can catch the virus more than once. Ok, it could be said that he has to as to set an example and we shouldn't expect him not to. We are being asked to do four simple things, none of which are complicated or take much effort. The sooner everyone understands that this, the sooner the levels become enough that track and trace is 99% efficient, outbreaks can be contained quickly and unsuccessfully and infection rates continue to fall towards zero. As for trust, it would seem that whatever a government does, there will be a minority that will always distrust them and those who will blame the government for not doing enough, going too far, spending too much, not spending enough.... They can put in all the plans they want which is based upon the information from white hall advisors and other advisory bodies, who are the same ones irrelevant of which political party is in power. If the information they supply isn't quite right, it's not due to the governments failure. Likewise, I'm sure most have seen this is a global pandemic, every country worldwide has been after the same equipment to deal with the virus in their homeland, this has driven a shortage in chemicals and equipment which has never had the demand that it currently has and cannot cope with. There is a bigger picture, you need to look at that before apportioning blame. Countries with free governments which have done better: Australia. New Zealand. Culturally quite similar to the UK. We were just talking about Australia, let's not shift the goal posts. And yes, Australia and New Zealand are geographically isolated, but closing borders is still within the remit of the UK government. You were happy talking about Australia when you thought it was just about blaming people. I take personal responsibility. I help others do so through my work. I talk about it on here. My money is where my mouth is. But it's not enough. 70-80% of people indicate support, but it's not enough, the pandemic is out of control. The UK government has failed and continues to fail, and it costs us all dearly. Yes some people are taking the piss, but it is the job of the government to govern. They seem to want to be world beating spirit of the Blitz Churchill types when it suits them, but at the same time are so incompetent that they want a gold star for colouring in the lines. If we're a great country, let's have a great government that actually takes responsibility for its actions. If the Cabinet had been in a regular job, they'd have been sacked for gross incompetence and possibly prosecuted. Let's treat them like adults and hold them accountable for their actions." Some of think they've actually done really really well. Vaccine on the way, huge testing program night and day. Even bigger increase to come in 2021, Deaths, considering size and density of population OK, Majority of Brits following the guidelines, Dunno about some of you guys I'm hunkered down till Dec 3rd like a good little soldier and not spending my time dissing the government all the time. Great Job Tory Government. That's right.... keep Keir Starmer in his place on the opposition bench for another 4 years please | |||
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"How ridiculous to say overrule human rights! X "I know, we won`t agree on this, and as its off here, don`t want to argue too much on this. IMO all human deserves full human rights when born. It said to be like this but in practise, sadly it does not happening. Also, human rights should include being protected from those who proved that they can`t/don`t want to follow the most basic human behaviour. IMO if someone intentionally kills another human, plans/executes a terror attack to kill several other innocent humans, that person can`t be called a human anymore. The law that opposes this means threat for the innocent and weaken their human rights. Don`t go too far, many of recent terror attacts were executed by terrorist who were already jailed for terror related crimes, and let go away freely. The blood of every single victim, who get killed by a murderer who once been convicted for another murder then released is on the hand of those who support these current liberal human right system which protects the predators, not the innocent. And if someone want them feed for their life long sentence, please set up a separate fund for it, coz I don`t want even a penny of my tax to be spend on feed someone who intentionally killed children, women, or any innocent human. | |||
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"How ridiculous to say overrule human rights! X
I know, we won`t agree on this, and as its off here, don`t want to argue too much on this. IMO all human deserves full human rights when born. It said to be like this but in practise, sadly it does not happening.
Also, human rights should include being protected from those who proved that they can`t/don`t want to follow the most basic human behaviour. IMO if someone intentionally kills another human, plans/executes a terror attack to kill several other innocent humans, that person can`t be called a human anymore. The law that opposes this means threat for the innocent and weaken their human rights.
Don`t go too far, many of recent terror attacts were executed by terrorist who were already jailed for terror related crimes, and let go away freely.
The blood of every single victim, who get killed by a murderer who once been convicted for another murder then released is on the hand of those who support these current liberal human right system which protects the predators, not the innocent.
And if someone want them feed for their life long sentence, please set up a separate fund for it, coz I don`t want even a penny of my tax to be spend on feed someone who intentionally killed children, women, or any innocent human."Your wrong we must preserve everyones human rights or what do we become ? X | |||
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"According to published figures in the least densely populated areas of uk their is approx 50 people per sq km in the most dense places it can be 5700 people per sq km. Australia has 3 people per sq km, I'm not sure we are comparing like for like when using Australia as an example. Similarly using countries known to be China fobic for want of a better word, Japan, South Korea where it is unlikely many covid carriers entered the country before any action could be taken is realistic. Every country has different contributing factors, it's down to the population to take responsibility and not keep finding excuses for not doing so. 93% of Australian's population lives on less than 10% of the land mass. Greater Sydney, and that includes some fairly rural areas, has a population density of 430 people per square kilometre. Your argument is nonsense. Even at 10% of the land mass it's still less than 30 people per sq km. My argument is sound you just want to blame someone. 30 people per sq km. Where are you getting your figures from ? Tinternet, same as you and it's nearer 403 people per sq km in Sydney I think 430 and 403 is rather splitting hairs. You're arguing that because some cattle ranchers live on properties the size of countries, densely populated cities in Australia are somehow not subject to the same problems of densely populated cities in the UK." OK then let's do this your way and compare cities I have 4 for you all at per sq km; London 4500 Liverpool 3990 Birmingham 3649 Manchester 1300 Given that somebody from say Manchester is more likely to travel to London Liverpool or Birmingham than people travel from city to city in Australia, I still say you are not comparing like with like, too few people on the massive continent of Australia. Now lets start putting the blame if you must blame, where it belongs, with the people not the government. | |||
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"How ridiculous to say overrule human rights! X
I know, we won`t agree on this, and as its off here, don`t want to argue too much on this. IMO all human deserves full human rights when born. It said to be like this but in practise, sadly it does not happening.
Also, human rights should include being protected from those who proved that they can`t/don`t want to follow the most basic human behaviour. IMO if someone intentionally kills another human, plans/executes a terror attack to kill several other innocent humans, that person can`t be called a human anymore. The law that opposes this means threat for the innocent and weaken their human rights.
Don`t go too far, many of recent terror attacts were executed by terrorist who were already jailed for terror related crimes, and let go away freely.
The blood of every single victim, who get killed by a murderer who once been convicted for another murder then released is on the hand of those who support these current liberal human right system which protects the predators, not the innocent.
And if someone want them feed for their life long sentence, please set up a separate fund for it, coz I don`t want even a penny of my tax to be spend on feed someone who intentionally killed children, women, or any innocent human.
Your wrong we must preserve everyones human rights or what do we become ? X"Please explain why you think that such disgusting beings deserve rights . | |||
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"According to published figures in the least densely populated areas of uk their is approx 50 people per sq km in the most dense places it can be 5700 people per sq km. Australia has 3 people per sq km, I'm not sure we are comparing like for like when using Australia as an example. Similarly using countries known to be China fobic for want of a better word, Japan, South Korea where it is unlikely many covid carriers entered the country before any action could be taken is realistic. Every country has different contributing factors, it's down to the population to take responsibility and not keep finding excuses for not doing so. 93% of Australian's population lives on less than 10% of the land mass. Greater Sydney, and that includes some fairly rural areas, has a population density of 430 people per square kilometre. Your argument is nonsense. Even at 10% of the land mass it's still less than 30 people per sq km. My argument is sound you just want to blame someone. 30 people per sq km. Where are you getting your figures from ? Tinternet, same as you and it's nearer 403 people per sq km in Sydney I think 430 and 403 is rather splitting hairs. You're arguing that because some cattle ranchers live on properties the size of countries, densely populated cities in Australia are somehow not subject to the same problems of densely populated cities in the UK. OK then let's do this your way and compare cities I have 4 for you all at per sq km; London 4500 Liverpool 3990 Birmingham 3649 Manchester 1300 Given that somebody from say Manchester is more likely to travel to London Liverpool or Birmingham than people travel from city to city in Australia, I still say you are not comparing like with like, too few people on the massive continent of Australia. Now lets start putting the blame if you must blame, where it belongs, with the people not the government. " I see you're determined to tell Boris he's a good boy despite his gross incompetence. Fascinating. Melbourne as a city has a population density of 20k per square kilometre, and if we go *into* inner city Sydney figures rise into over 10k per square kilometre as well. And the state borders have been closed for much of the pandemic. And somehow the paddocks in the arse end of nowhere are relevant still. | |||
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"Most people stick to rules but....Tradesmen still allowed in peoples houses, kids still at school students still at university,transport workers still working not really a lockdown is it ? Ohh and dont forget Covid stays out the supermarkets! x
Supermarket workers should be getting paid more for working during the pandemic....they worked all through the last lockdown aswell
Lots of people have continued to work . In my area one supermarket has not been following the rules regarding workers wearing masks ..virtually non existent , or hanging over one ear ...ive complained but last week was the same so i will now shop elsewhere!
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"Hello all... I know this is locodown thread 2.. But can I just say thank you to everyone who participated in my first thread. It's lovely to see so many people have the same opinion as me and I love you've been involved. And heres me thinking my post would be ignored! So thank you.. And Carry on ""lockdown" not locodown... But it could possibly be both lol | |||
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"According to published figures in the least densely populated areas of uk their is approx 50 people per sq km in the most dense places it can be 5700 people per sq km. Australia has 3 people per sq km, I'm not sure we are comparing like for like when using Australia as an example. Similarly using countries known to be China fobic for want of a better word, Japan, South Korea where it is unlikely many covid carriers entered the country before any action could be taken is realistic. Every country has different contributing factors, it's down to the population to take responsibility and not keep finding excuses for not doing so. 93% of Australian's population lives on less than 10% of the land mass. Greater Sydney, and that includes some fairly rural areas, has a population density of 430 people per square kilometre. Your argument is nonsense. Even at 10% of the land mass it's still less than 30 people per sq km. My argument is sound you just want to blame someone. 30 people per sq km. Where are you getting your figures from ? Tinternet, same as you and it's nearer 403 people per sq km in Sydney I think 430 and 403 is rather splitting hairs. You're arguing that because some cattle ranchers live on properties the size of countries, densely populated cities in Australia are somehow not subject to the same problems of densely populated cities in the UK. OK then let's do this your way and compare cities I have 4 for you all at per sq km; London 4500 Liverpool 3990 Birmingham 3649 Manchester 1300 Given that somebody from say Manchester is more likely to travel to London Liverpool or Birmingham than people travel from city to city in Australia, I still say you are not comparing like with like, too few people on the massive continent of Australia. Now lets start putting the blame if you must blame, where it belongs, with the people not the government. I see you're determined to tell Boris he's a good boy despite his gross incompetence. Fascinating. Melbourne as a city has a population density of 20k per square kilometre, and if we go *into* inner city Sydney figures rise into over 10k per square kilometre as well. And the state borders have been closed for much of the pandemic. And somehow the paddocks in the arse end of nowhere are relevant still." Ah you wanna be silly, well on the underground at rush hour it can be above 150,000 per sq km. You can not compare countries there are 2 many variables. | |||
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"According to published figures in the least densely populated areas of uk their is approx 50 people per sq km in the most dense places it can be 5700 people per sq km. Australia has 3 people per sq km, I'm not sure we are comparing like for like when using Australia as an example. Similarly using countries known to be China fobic for want of a better word, Japan, South Korea where it is unlikely many covid carriers entered the country before any action could be taken is realistic. Every country has different contributing factors, it's down to the population to take responsibility and not keep finding excuses for not doing so. 93% of Australian's population lives on less than 10% of the land mass. Greater Sydney, and that includes some fairly rural areas, has a population density of 430 people per square kilometre. Your argument is nonsense. Even at 10% of the land mass it's still less than 30 people per sq km. My argument is sound you just want to blame someone. 30 people per sq km. Where are you getting your figures from ? Tinternet, same as you and it's nearer 403 people per sq km in Sydney I think 430 and 403 is rather splitting hairs. You're arguing that because some cattle ranchers live on properties the size of countries, densely populated cities in Australia are somehow not subject to the same problems of densely populated cities in the UK. OK then let's do this your way and compare cities I have 4 for you all at per sq km; London 4500 Liverpool 3990 Birmingham 3649 Manchester 1300 Given that somebody from say Manchester is more likely to travel to London Liverpool or Birmingham than people travel from city to city in Australia, I still say you are not comparing like with like, too few people on the massive continent of Australia. Now lets start putting the blame if you must blame, where it belongs, with the people not the government. I see you're determined to tell Boris he's a good boy despite his gross incompetence. Fascinating. Melbourne as a city has a population density of 20k per square kilometre, and if we go *into* inner city Sydney figures rise into over 10k per square kilometre as well. And the state borders have been closed for much of the pandemic. And somehow the paddocks in the arse end of nowhere are relevant still.Ah you wanna be silly, well on the underground at rush hour it can be above 150,000 per sq km. You can not compare countries there are 2 many variables." I can and I am and the government have failed us. But you keep telling yourself that Boris is a good boy, Churchillian in his hiding from responsibility. Gold star. | |||
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"Only 1 country to blame and that is China for not isolating it's country and stopping all travel out." The same way we did? | |||
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"I can and I am and the government have failed us. But you keep telling yourself that Boris is a good boy, Churchillian in his hiding from responsibility. Gold star." My point is not if governments have done good or bad I am no fan of Boris. My point is using another countries performance is no measure and no guidance as how UK should perform. Lets not even get started on the people who wanna use good ol hindsight. | |||
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"Only 1 country to blame and that is China for not isolating it's country and stopping all travel out. The same way we did?" UK did not have the epidemic, China did. | |||
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