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"According to studies done by the British Medical Journal and quoted here by Dentistry.co.uk, 78% of confirmed Covid infections are in people who are overweight or obese, and 62% of those who have died in hospital are either overweight or obese. https://www.dentistry.co.uk/2020/06/11/overweight-obese-confirmed-covid/ The food industry has a lot to answer for - though I guess we knew that already for different reasons" Nobody forces people to eat. They open their mouths and with their hands put the food in. So nobody else's fault but the individual. We are educated enough to know what we need to do. Cant blame anyone else | |||
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"According to studies done by the British Medical Journal and quoted here by Dentistry.co.uk, 78% of confirmed Covid infections are in people who are overweight or obese, and 62% of those who have died in hospital are either overweight or obese. https://www.dentistry.co.uk/2020/06/11/overweight-obese-confirmed-covid/ The food industry has a lot to answer for - though I guess we knew that already for different reasons" Eat out certainly does help out... More half price food and drink for people please... | |||
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"Did food companies force feed anyone? Not aware of it myself.." ^^^^ Defo agree with this Why blame the food industry ... That's a bit harsh. It's up to each and every individual to know that being over-weight has many many health disadvantages and take appropriate action for a healthier lifestyle. | |||
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"According to studies done by the British Medical Journal and quoted here by Dentistry.co.uk, 78% of confirmed Covid infections are in people who are overweight or obese, and 62% of those who have died in hospital are either overweight or obese. https://www.dentistry.co.uk/2020/06/11/overweight-obese-confirmed-covid/ The food industry has a lot to answer for - though I guess we knew that already for different reasons Nobody forces people to eat. They open their mouths and with their hands put the food in. So nobody else's fault but the individual. We are educated enough to know what we need to do. Cant blame anyone else" Maybe, though you can apply the same logic to people spreading the infection too... But here's a thought... Rather than eat out to help out... How about work out to help out... With free or 10 off gym / exercise sessions.... Fuck knlws the fitness industry needs help just as much as the pubs and restaurants and it might just kick start a few people doing a bit of exercise.... | |||
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"The food industry loads processed food with sugar and fat and then uses high pressure advertising to get people to buy it - especially kids who pester their parents for junk food. Of course they have a lot to answer for." And so do the parents who buy it and put it in their mouths... Its not always someone elses fault. Sometimes we just have to suck it up and admit we eat badly, we exercise badly and we know the cost of everything and the value of nothing. | |||
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"What would the dentists know? Jack shit they been shut for 4 bloody months.bigger people and the poor took the brunt of it.the government shipped them outa the hospitals back to the care homes because they shit themselves.covid was already here.they were too slow to act so 30 .ooo died.fat thin white black yellow ginger wateva.bacon butties didn’t kill them the governments decisions did.heads will roll" What language would that be in ? | |||
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" The food industry has a lot to answer for - though I guess we knew that already for different reasons" Isn't that a bit like blaming Vauxhall if you get run over by an Astra?  | |||
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" The food industry has a lot to answer for - though I guess we knew that already for different reasons Isn't that a bit like blaming Vauxhall if you get run over by an Astra? "But was the Astra driver eating a sandwich? | |||
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" The food industry has a lot to answer for - though I guess we knew that already for different reasons Isn't that a bit like blaming Vauxhall if you get run over by an Astra?
But was the Astra driver eating a sandwich?"Good job it wasn't made with Hovis or the victim could have ended up brown bread...  | |||
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"According to studies done by the British Medical Journal and quoted here by Dentistry.co.uk, 78% of confirmed Covid infections are in people who are overweight or obese, and 62% of those who have died in hospital are either overweight or obese. https://www.dentistry.co.uk/2020/06/11/overweight-obese-confirmed-covid/ The food industry has a lot to answer for - though I guess we knew that already for different reasons" Put in the other known risk factors for Covid and you can see vast majority of the population have virtually Zero risk of any problems with Covid | |||
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"What would the dentists know? Jack shit they been shut for 4 bloody months.bigger people and the poor took the brunt of it.the government shipped them outa the hospitals back to the care homes because they shit themselves.covid was already here.they were too slow to act so 30 .ooo died.fat thin white black yellow ginger wateva.bacon butties didn’t kill them the governments decisions did.heads will roll" Well really it’s the virus that killed them. But back on topic you really don’t have to look far to see that this country has a serious issue when it comes to overweight people and drinking. | |||
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"The people who have died may have been overweight for many reasons. Many have had other health issues, which may have impaired their fitness or abilities. I sense some elements of shaming and blaming, which helps nobody and is insensitive to those who have suffered, including having lost loved ones. "  | |||
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"According to studies done by the British Medical Journal and quoted here by Dentistry.co.uk, 78% of confirmed Covid infections are in people who are overweight or obese, and 62% of those who have died in hospital are either overweight or obese. https://www.dentistry.co.uk/2020/06/11/overweight-obese-confirmed-covid/ The food industry has a lot to answer for - though I guess we knew that already for different reasons Nobody forces people to eat. They open their mouths and with their hands put the food in. So nobody else's fault but the individual. We are educated enough to know what we need to do. Cant blame anyone else" Except *we* can. Food poverty is not usually the fault of the individual. Don't look at the world through your own eyes, skills, experience and knowledge. | |||
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"Wow, weight shaming at its worst with some if the comments on this thread. A little more understanding about medical conditions that can make weight loss difficult wouldn't go amiss here. Hypothyroidism being one, for example. As well as obesity, there may have been other health factors resulting in the covid deaths that the OP is recklessly quoting. " The OP is quoting a published study. NOT "recklessly" doing anything.!! | |||
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"Looking at the charts in the doctors for BMI they are way out, they dont consider bone density which varies, muscle mass...you can be exceedingly fit but according to the stupid tables clinically obese..they are a joke unless your super skinny..technically J is clinically obese at 5'10 and over 14 and a half stone..supposed to be between 11 and half and 12 and a half.....so if he got covid and died be classed as obese..." They work as a good guide for most people though, it’s pretty obvious when someone is obese because of fat and when the scale is wrong because of muscle. | |||
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"The people who have died may have been overweight for many reasons. Many have had other health issues, which may have impaired their fitness or abilities. I sense some elements of shaming and blaming, which helps nobody and is insensitive to those who have suffered, including having lost loved ones. " No one is shaming or blaming. Its an individual s choice. Yes their are cases that are due to medical problems and sadly can do nothing but sympathise but mostly its unhealthy eating. Ive been overweight but took a new path and now im fit and healthy. It was a,life's choice and anyone who doesn't have health problems has that choice | |||
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"Wow, weight shaming at its worst with some if the comments on this thread. A little more understanding about medical conditions that can make weight loss difficult wouldn't go amiss here. Hypothyroidism being one, for example. As well as obesity, there may have been other health factors resulting in the covid deaths that the OP is recklessly quoting. " ***Untreated hypothroidism If someone knows they have hypothyroidism and don't treat it they are an idiot. If they do treat it they can't blame their obesity on it. People often blame their weight on their thyroid when in reality it is probably only ONE of the reasons they are overweight. Its almost as if no one with hypothroidism also overeats!! | |||
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"Add in that past 65 years of age the magnitude of dieing increases significantly. If your black (bame) your twice as likely to die from it as being white. If your Asian your 1.5 times as likely to be seriously ill or die. As the overall population of the UK is predominately white Caucasian it would be expected to see more of those actually seriously ill or dieing however by ethnicity percentage its apparently not the case. The media overall seem to hype up the impact more on the white Caucasian population with most stories centreing on white individuals and the impact on their loved ones. Given that the Media is white male owned disproportionately and thats their main target demographic you can see why they hype that section. I would like to see a breakdown of the figures of those dieing by ethnicity, their obesity, age, gender and weight, all the things that apparently affect how Covid is likely to affect you. Then rather than lock away the entire population look for solutions that target those most at risk." A very sensible post why lock up people with virtually no risk of getting ill with Covid , the immense damage this is doing will become apparent over the next few years | |||
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"According to studies done by the British Medical Journal and quoted here by Dentistry.co.uk, 78% of confirmed Covid infections are in people who are overweight or obese, and 62% of those who have died in hospital are either overweight or obese. https://www.dentistry.co.uk/2020/06/11/overweight-obese-confirmed-covid/ The food industry has a lot to answer for - though I guess we knew that already for different reasons Nobody forces people to eat. They open their mouths and with their hands put the food in. So nobody else's fault but the individual. We are educated enough to know what we need to do. Cant blame anyone else Maybe, though you can apply the same logic to people spreading the infection too... But here's a thought... Rather than eat out to help out... How about work out to help out... With free or 10 off gym / exercise sessions.... Fuck knlws the fitness industry needs help just as much as the pubs and restaurants and it might just kick start a few people doing a bit of exercise.... " That's a good idea. We have already supported the food industry, let's give the health and fitness industry a better start back when they reopen. I vote you in as Prime Minister! | |||
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"The people who have died may have been overweight for many reasons. Many have had other health issues, which may have impaired their fitness or abilities. I sense some elements of shaming and blaming, which helps nobody and is insensitive to those who have suffered, including having lost loved ones. "
It seems it's blame time again..
Becoming repetitive in this pandemic.. | |||
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" The food industry has a lot to answer for - though I guess we knew that already for different reasons Isn't that a bit like blaming Vauxhall if you get run over by an Astra?
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"Did food companies force feed anyone? Not aware of it myself.. ^^^^ Defo agree with this Why blame the food industry ... That's a bit harsh. It's up to each and every individual to know that being over-weight has many many health disadvantages and take appropriate action for a healthier lifestyle." You are right there, noone can blame the food industry. | |||
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"According to studies done by the British Medical Journal and quoted here by Dentistry.co.uk, 78% of confirmed Covid infections are in people who are overweight or obese, and 62% of those who have died in hospital are either overweight or obese. https://www.dentistry.co.uk/2020/06/11/overweight-obese-confirmed-covid/ The food industry has a lot to answer for - though I guess we knew that already for different reasons Nobody forces people to eat. They open their mouths and with their hands put the food in. So nobody else's fault but the individual. We are educated enough to know what we need to do. Cant blame anyone else Maybe, though you can apply the same logic to people spreading the infection too... But here's a thought... Rather than eat out to help out... How about work out to help out... With free or 10 off gym / exercise sessions.... Fuck knlws the fitness industry needs help just as much as the pubs and restaurants and it might just kick start a few people doing a bit of exercise.... " | |||
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"The food industry loads processed food with sugar and fat and then uses high pressure advertising to get people to buy it - especially kids who pester their parents for junk food. Of course they have a lot to answer for." | |||
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"Wow, weight shaming at its worst with some if the comments on this thread. A little more understanding about medical conditions that can make weight loss difficult wouldn't go amiss here. Hypothyroidism being one, for example. As well as obesity, there may have been other health factors resulting in the covid deaths that the OP is recklessly quoting. The OP is quoting a published study. NOT "recklessly" doing anything.!! " The OP has only quoted obesity as one of the factors, not lots of other contions that may have contributed to those figures as well. | |||
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"Add in that past 65 years of age the magnitude of dieing increases significantly. If your black (bame) your twice as likely to die from it as being white. If your Asian your 1.5 times as likely to be seriously ill or die. As the overall population of the UK is predominately white Caucasian it would be expected to see more of those actually seriously ill or dieing however by ethnicity percentage its apparently not the case. The media overall seem to hype up the impact more on the white Caucasian population with most stories centreing on white individuals and the impact on their loved ones. Given that the Media is white male owned disproportionately and thats their main target demographic you can see why they hype that section. I would like to see a breakdown of the figures of those dieing by ethnicity, their obesity, age, gender and weight, all the things that apparently affect how Covid is likely to affect you. Then rather than lock away the entire population look for solutions that target those most at risk. A very sensible post why lock up people with virtually no risk of getting ill with Covid , the immense damage this is doing will become apparent over the next few years " | |||
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"It’s interesting to look at the phrasing of this but in reality it’s not even a story. We should take note of the word “overweight” which is defined by a persons bmi, a measure that a number of gym goers can tell you defines them as overweight. Look at the percentage breakdowns on this per age group and you’ll see by the age of 35 66% of the population is by definition obese or overweight, fast forward to 65-74 year olds and it’s 77%. When all’s said and done they practically marry up statistically. So, in effect the figures are saying covid deaths are equally represented in all groupings... for instance the 32% of non obese or overweight deaths is applied to the 33% of the 65+ population who are classed as normal. In conclusion, weight has very little to do with survival rates." | |||
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"The people who have died may have been overweight for many reasons. Many have had other health issues, which may have impaired their fitness or abilities. I sense some elements of shaming and blaming, which helps nobody and is insensitive to those who have suffered, including having lost loved ones.
It seems it's blame time again..
Becoming repetitive in this pandemic.."I totally agree. I'm sick of this blame and shame culture that seems to be growing on a daily basis. Don't worry, us fatties will be OK next week, the self-righteous few will find other targets to pick on. Perhaps people with other medical conditions such as copd or heart disease will become their next ones. (apologies if you suffer from either of these conditions, my intention is not to offend you personally.) | |||
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"It’s interesting to look at the phrasing of this but in reality it’s not even a story. We should take note of the word “overweight” which is defined by a persons bmi, a measure that a number of gym goers can tell you defines them as overweight. Look at the percentage breakdowns on this per age group and you’ll see by the age of 35 66% of the population is by definition obese or overweight, fast forward to 65-74 year olds and it’s 77%. When all’s said and done they practically marry up statistically. So, in effect the figures are saying covid deaths are equally represented in all groupings... for instance the 32% of non obese or overweight deaths is applied to the 33% of the 65+ population who are classed as normal. In conclusion, weight has very little to do with survival rates." Well said. | |||
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"Whilst bum does not take in to account gym muscle builders for the maths at it’s simple level it works for the majority of cases. That old chestnut gets rolled out as a excuse quite regularly but let’s face it a medical professional or even most people on the street can tell the difference between an athletic muscle builder and somone who’s overweight because of excess fat. The former fall in to a small percentage in this country. " You miss the point... look at the breakdown for obese, overweight and normal. Take a measure from the 65+ U.K. population and the figures quoted represent the % split in the population. 78% of deaths are attributed to 77% of the population (obese + overweight), a mere 22% is attributed to... oh, a group that makes up the 23% classes as normal. There’s no excuse... just a really obvious point that shows either the OP’s post, the original article or both are phrased in quite a misleading way. | |||
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"How is it weight shaming if the findings are true??" The findings are saying that the death rates are consistent with weight rates. The OP implies being overweight contributes to excess mortality. It's spin. | |||
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"But it is a scientific fact that being fat makes you more susceptible to serious illness, as such it makes sense that fat people are more likely to die or suffer more seriously from COVID too - it’s hardly news however you try and cut the statistics. There is plenty of evidence and studies out there that it increases your risk of suffering in a serious way by a large amount. It’s not a blame game no one is blaming seriously overweight people for anything COVID relates it’s just stating the medical fact that being obese is bad and seriously increases your risks with COVID. " Actually, they have presented “science fact” in these figures... in covid-19’s case the deaths seem to represent an equal split in the three body categories in line with the population breakdown... | |||
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"The food industry loads processed food with sugar and fat and then uses high pressure advertising to get people to buy it - especially kids who pester their parents for junk food. Of course they have a lot to answer for." Do they put the food in fat peoples mouths ? We ALL know that a lot of processed food contains lots of fat and sugar, it is totally an individual choice to consume it, yes a very few have a reason that makes them more liable to be overweight, the rest of us dont, of course in the modern world it's always someone else's fault and we mustn't offend anyone by pointing the blame at them | |||
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"The food industry loads processed food with sugar and fat and then uses high pressure advertising to get people to buy it - especially kids who pester their parents for junk food. Of course they have a lot to answer for. Do they put the food in fat peoples mouths ? We ALL know that a lot of processed food contains lots of fat and sugar, it is totally an individual choice to consume it, yes a very few have a reason that makes them more liable to be overweight, the rest of us dont, of course in the modern world it's always someone else's fault and we mustn't offend anyone by pointing the blame at them" Tell that to the very few people that have thyroid problems. Or take steroids for other medical conditions. | |||
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"I think some of the comments on this thread are disgusting. I am overweight because I have an eating disorder. I have tried to get it under control myself, but it's too big a problem to deal with without professional help. I have tried repeatedly to get professional help and constantly been denied because the government has cut all funding for mental health problems in my area (including eating disorders that aren't directly impacting physical health). So what do I do? I hate myself for being 'greedy' and 'lacking self control' but it is an addiction. It's hard enough to try and deal with without all the fat-shaming judgements. " The mrs has thyroid problems and has to workout 5 times a week just to stay the same weight. She has been to the doctors many times bug they wont up her medication . Her diet Macro are perfect. She hates the condition she has she says it's a daily battle. She trains every bit as hard as me. | |||
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"I think some of the comments on this thread are disgusting. I am overweight because I have an eating disorder. I have tried to get it under control myself, but it's too big a problem to deal with without professional help. I have tried repeatedly to get professional help and constantly been denied because the government has cut all funding for mental health problems in my area (including eating disorders that aren't directly impacting physical health). So what do I do? I hate myself for being 'greedy' and 'lacking self control' but it is an addiction. It's hard enough to try and deal with without all the fat-shaming judgements. The mrs has thyroid problems and has to workout 5 times a week just to stay the same weight. She has been to the doctors many times bug they wont up her medication . Her diet Macro are perfect. She hates the condition she has she says it's a daily battle. She trains every bit as hard as me." I know people in exactly the same boat. Even controlled with medication, losing weight with a thyroid issue can be an absolute nightmare. | |||
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"Hit the post button too soon - I just wish people wouldn't treat those of us who are fat like we are stupid. Most of the people I know are like me, we know we are overweight and it is unhealthy etc. but we have real serious issues that we just can't get any help or support for. It's not just because we are 'sitting and shoving foor into our mouths all day'. " | |||
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"According to studies done by the British Medical Journal and quoted here by Dentistry.co.uk, 78% of confirmed Covid infections are in people who are overweight or obese, and 62% of those who have died in hospital are either overweight or obese. https://www.dentistry.co.uk/2020/06/11/overweight-obese-confirmed-covid/ The food industry has a lot to answer for - though I guess we knew that already for different reasons Eat out certainly does help out... More half price food and drink for people please... " But no one has to eat out.. No one has to put more food in their mouths. I have horrific anxiety & i can't stop eating. But noone else to blame but me for my extra weight. I've put on a stone and half since march. You can only see it around my waist tho and I still feel sexy.. But it was me who put the food in my mouth.. Noone else.. X | |||
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"I to have thyroid problems and have to work hard to stay the same weight and can relate to her daily battle. We are a vry missunderstood minority. Please give your dear wife a hug from me" | |||
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"According to studies done by the British Medical Journal and quoted here by Dentistry.co.uk, 78% of confirmed Covid infections are in people who are overweight or obese, and 62% of those who have died in hospital are either overweight or obese. https://www.dentistry.co.uk/2020/06/11/overweight-obese-confirmed-covid/ The food industry has a lot to answer for - though I guess we knew that already for different reasons" Disagree. I’ve put weight on recently during the menopause. I’m now 1-2 stones overweight. I have to answer for that - nobody else. I’m the problem and I’m the solution - which is the same for everyone who drinks too much, eats too much, smokes, takes illegal drugs etc etc. We need, as a society, to stop looking to others to blame and start looking in the mirror. Apparently over 50% of adults, myself included, are overweight or obese. Although some obviously have contributory health factors - most of us don’t! We eat too much and we don’t exercise enough. It’s time we all took ownership. | |||
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"According to studies done by the British Medical Journal and quoted here by Dentistry.co.uk, 78% of confirmed Covid infections are in people who are overweight or obese, and 62% of those who have died in hospital are either overweight or obese. https://www.dentistry.co.uk/2020/06/11/overweight-obese-confirmed-covid/ The food industry has a lot to answer for - though I guess we knew that already for different reasons Eat out certainly does help out... More half price food and drink for people please... But no one has to eat out.. No one has to put more food in their mouths. I have horrific anxiety & i can't stop eating. But noone else to blame but me for my extra weight. I've put on a stone and half since march. You can only see it around my waist tho and I still feel sexy.. But it was me who put the food in my mouth.. Noone else.. X " Maybe. Maybe not. The OP spins towards "fat people are more likely to die of Covid-19" and there's an implication that it's people's fault for carrying excess weight, a moral judgement. The fact is that the percentages quoted mean that overweight people are dying in proportion to their numbers in the general population, and the fat shaming that's come in afterwards is misplaced. But people seem to enjoy it for some reason  | |||
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"The food industry loads processed food with sugar and fat and then uses high pressure advertising to get people to buy it - especially kids who pester their parents for junk food. Of course they have a lot to answer for. Do they put the food in fat peoples mouths ? We ALL know that a lot of processed food contains lots of fat and sugar, it is totally an individual choice to consume it, yes a very few have a reason that makes them more liable to be overweight, the rest of us dont, of course in the modern world it's always someone else's fault and we mustn't offend anyone by pointing the blame at them Tell that to the very few people that have thyroid problems. Or take steroids for other medical conditions. " I have thyroid issues but manage to keep my weight ok. All too easy to blame our problems on something or someone other than ourselves. | |||
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" The food industry has a lot to answer for - " The food industry has nothing to answer for. People are responsible for their own actions. | |||
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"According to studies done by the British Medical Journal and quoted here by Dentistry.co.uk, 78% of confirmed Covid infections are in people who are overweight or obese, and 62% of those who have died in hospital are either overweight or obese. https://www.dentistry.co.uk/2020/06/11/overweight-obese-confirmed-covid/ The food industry has a lot to answer for - though I guess we knew that already for different reasons Disagree. I’ve put weight on recently during the menopause. I’m now 1-2 stones overweight. I have to answer for that - nobody else. I’m the problem and I’m the solution - which is the same for everyone who drinks too much, eats too much, smokes, takes illegal drugs etc etc. We need, as a society, to stop looking to others to blame and start looking in the mirror. Apparently over 50% of adults, myself included, are overweight or obese. Although some obviously have contributory health factors - most of us don’t! We eat too much and we don’t exercise enough. It’s time we all took ownership. " | |||
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"The food industry loads processed food with sugar and fat and then uses high pressure advertising to get people to buy it - especially kids who pester their parents for junk food. Of course they have a lot to answer for. Her diet is perfect her carbs to fat and protein is perfect. Keep talking shite. Do they put the food in fat peoples mouths ? We ALL know that a lot of processed food contains lots of fat and sugar, it is totally an individual choice to consume it, yes a very few have a reason that makes them more liable to be overweight, the rest of us dont, of course in the modern world it's always someone else's fault and we mustn't offend anyone by pointing the blame at them Tell that to the very few people that have thyroid problems. Or take steroids for other medical conditions. I have thyroid issues but manage to keep my weight ok. All too easy to blame our problems on something or someone other than ourselves. " | |||
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"The food industry loads processed food with sugar and fat and then uses high pressure advertising to get people to buy it - especially kids who pester their parents for junk food. Of course they have a lot to answer for. Her diet is perfect her carbs to fat and protein is perfect. Keep talking shite. Do they put the food in fat peoples mouths ? We ALL know that a lot of processed food contains lots of fat and sugar, it is totally an individual choice to consume it, yes a very few have a reason that makes them more liable to be overweight, the rest of us dont, of course in the modern world it's always someone else's fault and we mustn't offend anyone by pointing the blame at them Tell that to the very few people that have thyroid problems. Or take steroids for other medical conditions. I have thyroid issues but manage to keep my weight ok. All too easy to blame our problems on something or someone other than ourselves. " Hmm someone edited my message lol | |||
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" The food industry has a lot to answer for - The food industry has nothing to answer for. People are responsible for their own actions." Yes, it is a choice if they want to eat it or not. | |||
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"The food industry loads processed food with sugar and fat and then uses high pressure advertising to get people to buy it - especially kids who pester their parents for junk food. Of course they have a lot to answer for. Do they put the food in fat peoples mouths ? We ALL know that a lot of processed food contains lots of fat and sugar, it is totally an individual choice to consume it, yes a very few have a reason that makes them more liable to be overweight, the rest of us dont, of course in the modern world it's always someone else's fault and we mustn't offend anyone by pointing the blame at them Tell that to the very few people that have thyroid problems. Or take steroids for other medical conditions. I have thyroid issues but manage to keep my weight ok. All too easy to blame our problems on something or someone other than ourselves. " She trains as hard as me she eats as well as me. The only difference is her thyroid. Look at our photos before you reply and bear in mind she trains as hard as me. He weight is nothing to do with eating to much. | |||
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"Did food companies force feed anyone? Not aware of it myself.. ^^^^ Defo agree with this Why blame the food industry ... That's a bit harsh. It's up to each and every individual to know that being over-weight has many many health disadvantages and take appropriate action for a healthier lifestyle." The same was a gambling companies get blamed for gambling addictions? | |||
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" The food industry has a lot to answer for - The food industry has nothing to answer for. People are responsible for their own actions." This is true, but there are things that the food industry could do to help. For example, there is a lot of added salt and sugar in products, there is also a real lack of healthy snack/convenience food. If there was more healthy options that could be grabbed and eaten, then people who want to try to eat healthier would have options. Cal | |||
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"How is it weight shaming if the findings are true?? The findings are saying that the death rates are consistent with weight rates. The OP implies being overweight contributes to excess mortality. It's spin." | |||
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"People can argue all they like about the causes of obesity. But here are two unarguable facts 1. No human baby is born obese. They become obese in later life because of what they are fed on 2. During the last war when food was strictly rationed and sugary foods and fats were largely unobtainable, the British diet was at its healthiest ever, and obesity disappeared. Even for those with hypothyroidism. Obesity is a problem of too plentiful supplies of junk food being too easily available for people to eat, and being constantly pressurised by advertising to eat them." I will also add that unhealthy junk food tends be cheaper than a healthy alternative | |||
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"People can argue all they like about the causes of obesity. But here are two unarguable facts 1. No human baby is born obese. They become obese in later life because of what they are fed on 2. During the last war when food was strictly rationed and sugary foods and fats were largely unobtainable, the British diet was at its healthiest ever, and obesity disappeared. Even for those with hypothyroidism. Obesity is a problem of too plentiful supplies of junk food being too easily available for people to eat, and being constantly pressurised by advertising to eat them." With so many families with young children living below the poverty line due to ten years of crippling austerity and junk food is far far cheaper than healthy food - if your choice is ‘value chicken nuggets abs chips’ or nothing what would you choose to feed your kids? The shops have a lot of responsibility ... why is healthier food so much more expensive? | |||
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"People can argue all they like about the causes of obesity. But here are two unarguable facts 1. No human baby is born obese. They become obese in later life because of what they are fed on 2. During the last war when food was strictly rationed and sugary foods and fats were largely unobtainable, the British diet was at its healthiest ever, and obesity disappeared. Even for those with hypothyroidism. Obesity is a problem of too plentiful supplies of junk food being too easily available for people to eat, and being constantly pressurised by advertising to eat them. With so many families with young children living below the poverty line due to ten years of crippling austerity and junk food is far far cheaper than healthy food - if your choice is ‘value chicken nuggets abs chips’ or nothing what would you choose to feed your kids? The shops have a lot of responsibility ... why is healthier food so much more expensive? " That is a myth, fruit and veg are pence, for those that are too lazy to cut up fruit the supermarkets even do that for you and pack it in an plastic box for you. Consume more calories than you burn then you put on weight that is true even with an underactive thyroid, which should be treated with thyroxine I know sometimes it can be more complicated to treat but that is rare and we are talking in general terms of the Brits being overweight and at a higher risk from covid. | |||
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"Joy's Another reason for the deniers to say it's not really that dangerous. Just don't be old and fat and you will be sound."
It's your fault if you think it's dangerous because you can't control yourself, despite the fact that it's a society level problem and it kills people in proportion with the levels of obesity.
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"Is healthier food more expensive .... Asda potatoes 50p kilo Carrots 58p kilo Large chicken £2.05 per kilo So per kilo meal total £3.13 Asda chips 60p kilo Chicken nuggets £3.75 kilo Baked beans 70p kilo So per kilo meal total £5.05 Thats just checked on Asda website" Are any of those food listed ready made? | |||
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"Is healthier food more expensive .... Asda potatoes 50p kilo Carrots 58p kilo Large chicken £2.05 per kilo So per kilo meal total £3.13 Asda chips 60p kilo Chicken nuggets £3.75 kilo Baked beans 70p kilo So per kilo meal total £5.05 Thats just checked on Asda website" Cooking and utensils and other bits of cooking (oil, salt and pepper sort of thing) are free? They take equal physical/ mental energy or skills to prepare? | |||
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"Is healthier food more expensive .... Asda potatoes 50p kilo Carrots 58p kilo Large chicken £2.05 per kilo So per kilo meal total £3.13 Asda chips 60p kilo Chicken nuggets £3.75 kilo Baked beans 70p kilo So per kilo meal total £5.05 Thats just checked on Asda website Are any of those food listed ready made?" Well I’m assuming the potatoes and carrots were grown in soil (that would be the ground) and the chicken hatched from an egg and probably battery farmed. So grown rather than made. 
The chips come from Potatoes also grown in that soil stuff but they are processed into chips.
Chicken nuggets come from those birdy things as well though being the cheaper nuggets probably not made from the breast meat. Then has to be processed into nuggets.
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"Is healthier food more expensive .... Asda potatoes 50p kilo Carrots 58p kilo Large chicken £2.05 per kilo So per kilo meal total £3.13 Asda chips 60p kilo Chicken nuggets £3.75 kilo Baked beans 70p kilo So per kilo meal total £5.05 Thats just checked on Asda website Cooking and utensils and other bits of cooking (oil, salt and pepper sort of thing) are free? They take equal physical/ mental energy or skills to prepare?" You're also assuming that people can cook. | |||
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"Is healthier food more expensive .... Asda potatoes 50p kilo Carrots 58p kilo Large chicken £2.05 per kilo So per kilo meal total £3.13 Asda chips 60p kilo Chicken nuggets £3.75 kilo Baked beans 70p kilo So per kilo meal total £5.05 Thats just checked on Asda website Cooking and utensils and other bits of cooking (oil, salt and pepper sort of thing) are free? They take equal physical/ mental energy or skills to prepare? You're also assuming that people can cook." "Skills to prepare" | |||
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"Is healthier food more expensive .... Asda potatoes 50p kilo Carrots 58p kilo Large chicken £2.05 per kilo So per kilo meal total £3.13 Asda chips 60p kilo Chicken nuggets £3.75 kilo Baked beans 70p kilo So per kilo meal total £5.05 Thats just checked on Asda website Cooking and utensils and other bits of cooking (oil, salt and pepper sort of thing) are free? They take equal physical/ mental energy or skills to prepare? You're also assuming that people can cook." Cooking a healthy meal is hardly rocket science is it, you really do think people are pretty useless if they cant cook a decent meal. | |||
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"Alcohol, tobacco and gambling all have an element of addiction for some.. There are food products designed by science to have the same effect.. It's more complex than he,she or they don't have to put it in their mouth .." | |||
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"Is healthier food more expensive .... Asda potatoes 50p kilo Carrots 58p kilo Large chicken £2.05 per kilo So per kilo meal total £3.13 Asda chips 60p kilo Chicken nuggets £3.75 kilo Baked beans 70p kilo So per kilo meal total £5.05 Thats just checked on Asda website" I volunteer with a charity that helps homeless, vulnerable and JAM people. They often don't have a cooker with an oven; sometimes they only have a kettle or a microwave. They often have very few pans or cooking utensils, crockery, etc. They're often in fuel poverty, so actually cooking, and washing up afterwards, can be beyond their means. Have you ever tried washing up after roasting a chicken with only cold water and no fairy liquid? It's more, much more, than the cost of the ingredients. Cheap food is bad for you and contains few nutrients. But if cheap food is all you can afford to buy and cook.... | |||
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"Is healthier food more expensive .... Asda potatoes 50p kilo Carrots 58p kilo Large chicken £2.05 per kilo So per kilo meal total £3.13 Asda chips 60p kilo Chicken nuggets £3.75 kilo Baked beans 70p kilo So per kilo meal total £5.05 Thats just checked on Asda website I volunteer with a charity that helps homeless, vulnerable and JAM people. They often don't have a cooker with an oven; sometimes they only have a kettle or a microwave. They often have very few pans or cooking utensils, crockery, etc. They're often in fuel poverty, so actually cooking, and washing up afterwards, can be beyond their means. Have you ever tried washing up after roasting a chicken with only cold water and no fairy liquid? It's more, much more, than the cost of the ingredients. Cheap food is bad for you and contains few nutrients. But if cheap food is all you can afford to buy and cook...." So the cost of fuel to wash up is more than the cost of the food ? To use a one KW kettle to boil water to wash up would cost about 2 pence | |||
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"Is healthier food more expensive .... Asda potatoes 50p kilo Carrots 58p kilo Large chicken £2.05 per kilo So per kilo meal total £3.13 Asda chips 60p kilo Chicken nuggets £3.75 kilo Baked beans 70p kilo So per kilo meal total £5.05 Thats just checked on Asda website I volunteer with a charity that helps homeless, vulnerable and JAM people. They often don't have a cooker with an oven; sometimes they only have a kettle or a microwave. They often have very few pans or cooking utensils, crockery, etc. They're often in fuel poverty, so actually cooking, and washing up afterwards, can be beyond their means. Have you ever tried washing up after roasting a chicken with only cold water and no fairy liquid? It's more, much more, than the cost of the ingredients. Cheap food is bad for you and contains few nutrients. But if cheap food is all you can afford to buy and cook...." | |||
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"Is healthier food more expensive .... Asda potatoes 50p kilo Carrots 58p kilo Large chicken £2.05 per kilo So per kilo meal total £3.13 Asda chips 60p kilo Chicken nuggets £3.75 kilo Baked beans 70p kilo So per kilo meal total £5.05 Thats just checked on Asda website I volunteer with a charity that helps homeless, vulnerable and JAM people. They often don't have a cooker with an oven; sometimes they only have a kettle or a microwave. They often have very few pans or cooking utensils, crockery, etc. They're often in fuel poverty, so actually cooking, and washing up afterwards, can be beyond their means. Have you ever tried washing up after roasting a chicken with only cold water and no fairy liquid? It's more, much more, than the cost of the ingredients. Cheap food is bad for you and contains few nutrients. But if cheap food is all you can afford to buy and cook.... So the cost of fuel to wash up is more than the cost of the food ? To use a one KW kettle to boil water to wash up would cost about 2 pence " If you own a kettle. If your electric is on. If you have a functioning kitchen. | |||
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"Is healthier food more expensive .... Asda potatoes 50p kilo Carrots 58p kilo Large chicken £2.05 per kilo So per kilo meal total £3.13 Asda chips 60p kilo Chicken nuggets £3.75 kilo Baked beans 70p kilo So per kilo meal total £5.05 Thats just checked on Asda website I volunteer with a charity that helps homeless, vulnerable and JAM people. They often don't have a cooker with an oven; sometimes they only have a kettle or a microwave. They often have very few pans or cooking utensils, crockery, etc. They're often in fuel poverty, so actually cooking, and washing up afterwards, can be beyond their means. Have you ever tried washing up after roasting a chicken with only cold water and no fairy liquid? It's more, much more, than the cost of the ingredients. Cheap food is bad for you and contains few nutrients. But if cheap food is all you can afford to buy and cook.... So the cost of fuel to wash up is more than the cost of the food ? To use a one KW kettle to boil water to wash up would cost about 2 pence If you own a kettle. If your electric is on. If you have a functioning kitchen." A "functioning kitchen" for some of our clients is just a kettle in a bedsit. | |||
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"Is healthier food more expensive .... Asda potatoes 50p kilo Carrots 58p kilo Large chicken £2.05 per kilo So per kilo meal total £3.13 Asda chips 60p kilo Chicken nuggets £3.75 kilo Baked beans 70p kilo So per kilo meal total £5.05 Thats just checked on Asda website I volunteer with a charity that helps homeless, vulnerable and JAM people. They often don't have a cooker with an oven; sometimes they only have a kettle or a microwave. They often have very few pans or cooking utensils, crockery, etc. They're often in fuel poverty, so actually cooking, and washing up afterwards, can be beyond their means. Have you ever tried washing up after roasting a chicken with only cold water and no fairy liquid? It's more, much more, than the cost of the ingredients. Cheap food is bad for you and contains few nutrients. But if cheap food is all you can afford to buy and cook.... So the cost of fuel to wash up is more than the cost of the food ? To use a one KW kettle to boil water to wash up would cost about 2 pence If you own a kettle. If your electric is on. If you have a functioning kitchen. A "functioning kitchen" for some of our clients is just a kettle in a bedsit. " Indeed. Pot noodle is at least warm. | |||
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" Cheap food is bad for you and contains few nutrients. But if cheap food is all you can afford to buy and cook...." Give some examples of the cheap food that is used (and the cost) that is cooked using only a microwave and or a kettle and i am sure that there are folk who can offer healthier alternatives. Not trying to score points or anything here but sometimes some do know what others do not. | |||
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"Is healthier food more expensive .... Asda potatoes 50p kilo Carrots 58p kilo Large chicken £2.05 per kilo So per kilo meal total £3.13 Asda chips 60p kilo Chicken nuggets £3.75 kilo Baked beans 70p kilo So per kilo meal total £5.05 Thats just checked on Asda website I volunteer with a charity that helps homeless, vulnerable and JAM people. They often don't have a cooker with an oven; sometimes they only have a kettle or a microwave. They often have very few pans or cooking utensils, crockery, etc. They're often in fuel poverty, so actually cooking, and washing up afterwards, can be beyond their means. Have you ever tried washing up after roasting a chicken with only cold water and no fairy liquid? It's more, much more, than the cost of the ingredients. Cheap food is bad for you and contains few nutrients. But if cheap food is all you can afford to buy and cook.... So the cost of fuel to wash up is more than the cost of the food ? To use a one KW kettle to boil water to wash up would cost about 2 pence If you own a kettle. If your electric is on. If you have a functioning kitchen. A "functioning kitchen" for some of our clients is just a kettle in a bedsit. " So how are they cooking all this junk food ? How are they affording a lot of any type of food for that matter | |||
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"There was a point in my life where I often had to make the choice between topping up my electric meter or buying food. No hot water or heating as I couldn't afford gas AND electric. Food was whatever had been marked down to pennies in the local supermarket. Never bought anything over 40p. Luckily I managed to claw my way out of that hole, but it does leave you with a realistic view of poverty that never leaves you." This topic started out about fat people being more likely to die from covid, as you show poor people arent fat | |||
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"Well here’s the thing , almost two thirds of adults are classed as overweight or obese in the U.K. so it’s hardly surprising that two thirds of people dying from COVID are overweight or obese. It could be argued that it makes no difference. Apologies if anyone has already posted this. " That makes no sense. You don’t understand figures If the two thirds who are obese didn’t die it wouldn’t mean the numbers would be made up by those who are non-obese It would just mean the total number of deaths was reduced by two-thirds and we wouldnt have the huge number we have today So in a real sense the large number of deaths we have is partly due to the high numbers obese people dying | |||
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"Well here’s the thing , almost two thirds of adults are classed as overweight or obese in the U.K. so it’s hardly surprising that two thirds of people dying from COVID are overweight or obese. It could be argued that it makes no difference. Apologies if anyone has already posted this. That makes no sense. You don’t understand figures If the two thirds who are obese didn’t die it wouldn’t mean the numbers would be made up by those who are non-obese It would just mean the total number of deaths was reduced by two-thirds and we wouldnt have the huge number we have today So in a real sense the large number of deaths we have is partly due to the high numbers obese people dying " About 2/3 of the adult population are overweight or obese. About 2/3 of the people dying of Covid are overweight or obese. If you remove the obese people from the equation... the same proportion of people are dying, you just have less people. Hope that helps. | |||
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"Is healthier food more expensive .... Asda potatoes 50p kilo Carrots 58p kilo Large chicken £2.05 per kilo So per kilo meal total £3.13 Asda chips 60p kilo Chicken nuggets £3.75 kilo Baked beans 70p kilo So per kilo meal total £5.05 Thats just checked on Asda website Cooking and utensils and other bits of cooking (oil, salt and pepper sort of thing) are free? They take equal physical/ mental energy or skills to prepare? You're also assuming that people can cook." Sorry but I’ve zero sympathy for grown adults who won’t take the time to learn the most basic cooking skills. Turn on the tv, use google etc etc And if you buy chicken portions etc - or a whole chicken - it will tell you cooking times etc on the packaging. It’s time we stopped constantly making excuses for every bad decision (nutrition or otherwise) that we all make. People (assuming they are adults and without severe mental health issues) make decisions re food based on their budgets. Whilst it can be argued that junk food CAN be cheaper - taking the effort to shop around and buy healthy items/vegetables & fruit when on special offer (my local Tesco and Aldi constantly has a range of fruits and veg on offer - and Tesco often has a meat or fish item on offer too!) means that we can all eat nutritious meals for the same price or less than junk food. | |||
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"Is healthier food more expensive .... Asda potatoes 50p kilo Carrots 58p kilo Large chicken £2.05 per kilo So per kilo meal total £3.13 Asda chips 60p kilo Chicken nuggets £3.75 kilo Baked beans 70p kilo So per kilo meal total £5.05 Thats just checked on Asda website Cooking and utensils and other bits of cooking (oil, salt and pepper sort of thing) are free? They take equal physical/ mental energy or skills to prepare? You're also assuming that people can cook. Sorry but I’ve zero sympathy for grown adults who won’t take the time to learn the most basic cooking skills. Turn on the tv, use google etc etc And if you buy chicken portions etc - or a whole chicken - it will tell you cooking times etc on the packaging. It’s time we stopped constantly making excuses for every bad decision (nutrition or otherwise) that we all make. People (assuming they are adults and without severe mental health issues) make decisions re food based on their budgets. Whilst it can be argued that junk food CAN be cheaper - taking the effort to shop around and buy healthy items/vegetables & fruit when on special offer (my local Tesco and Aldi constantly has a range of fruits and veg on offer - and Tesco often has a meat or fish item on offer too!) means that we can all eat nutritious meals for the same price or less than junk food. " Most people can or can figure it out. Some can't. There are access issues here for the most underprivileged, and just saying "well it's possible for most people" doesn't solve anything or help anyone. | |||
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"Well here’s the thing , almost two thirds of adults are classed as overweight or obese in the U.K. so it’s hardly surprising that two thirds of people dying from COVID are overweight or obese. It could be argued that it makes no difference. Apologies if anyone has already posted this. That makes no sense. You don’t understand figures If the two thirds who are obese didn’t die it wouldn’t mean the numbers would be made up by those who are non-obese It would just mean the total number of deaths was reduced by two-thirds and we wouldnt have the huge number we have today So in a real sense the large number of deaths we have is partly due to the high numbers obese people dying About 2/3 of the adult population are overweight or obese. About 2/3 of the people dying of Covid are overweight or obese. If you remove the obese people from the equation... the same proportion of people are dying, you just have less people. Hope that helps." A LOT less people dying | |||
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"Well here’s the thing , almost two thirds of adults are classed as overweight or obese in the U.K. so it’s hardly surprising that two thirds of people dying from COVID are overweight or obese. It could be argued that it makes no difference. Apologies if anyone has already posted this. That makes no sense. You don’t understand figures If the two thirds who are obese didn’t die it wouldn’t mean the numbers would be made up by those who are non-obese It would just mean the total number of deaths was reduced by two-thirds and we wouldnt have the huge number we have today So in a real sense the large number of deaths we have is partly due to the high numbers obese people dying About 2/3 of the adult population are overweight or obese. About 2/3 of the people dying of Covid are overweight or obese. If you remove the obese people from the equation... the same proportion of people are dying, you just have less people. Hope that helps. A LOT less people dying " You don't understand proportions, do you? | |||
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"Try looking up this article by Jack Munro, "You Don’t Batch Cook When You’re Suicidal" (30th July 2020), which explains food poverty and rubbishes the privileged opinions of the likes of Jacob Rees-Mogg. " Nah it's far too easy to make baseless assumptions about people than look at the structural issues. | |||
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"Try looking up this article by Jack Munro, "You Don’t Batch Cook When You’re Suicidal" (30th July 2020), which explains food poverty and rubbishes the privileged opinions of the likes of Jacob Rees-Mogg. Nah it's far too easy to make baseless assumptions about people than look at the structural issues." | |||
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"Long story short.. most cases and deaths are attributed to poor health. Doesnt seem such a scary statistic to me.. ppl who are unhealthy are more likely to die from diseases and viruses. Whats scary to me is the reaction this world has had to corona virus and the way its been blown out of proportion and everyones just eating it all up." | |||
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"Eating healthy is way cheaper than junk and for anyone that says they don't have time I work 60+ hours a week and still manage to cook a healthy balanced meal from scratch every day if I really cant be bothered I will do something like pork chops and salad with some rice eating unhealthy and portion controll is a choice." Do you have three kids live in a high rise and don’t drive? Nope didn’t think so - oh how easy it is to judge others when you don’t know how they live. | |||
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"Is healthier food more expensive .... Asda potatoes 50p kilo Carrots 58p kilo Large chicken £2.05 per kilo So per kilo meal total £3.13 Asda chips 60p kilo Chicken nuggets £3.75 kilo Baked beans 70p kilo So per kilo meal total £5.05 Thats just checked on Asda website I volunteer with a charity that helps homeless, vulnerable and JAM people. They often don't have a cooker with an oven; sometimes they only have a kettle or a microwave. They often have very few pans or cooking utensils, crockery, etc. They're often in fuel poverty, so actually cooking, and washing up afterwards, can be beyond their means. Have you ever tried washing up after roasting a chicken with only cold water and no fairy liquid? It's more, much more, than the cost of the ingredients. Cheap food is bad for you and contains few nutrients. But if cheap food is all you can afford to buy and cook.... So the cost of fuel to wash up is more than the cost of the food ? To use a one KW kettle to boil water to wash up would cost about 2 pence If you own a kettle. If your electric is on. If you have a functioning kitchen. A "functioning kitchen" for some of our clients is just a kettle in a bedsit. So how are they cooking all this junk food ? How are they affording a lot of any type of food for that matter" Omg seriously ‘let them eat cake’ ....... you need to spend some time volunteering at a good bank and actually talk to these people. | |||
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"Well here’s the thing , almost two thirds of adults are classed as overweight or obese in the U.K. so it’s hardly surprising that two thirds of people dying from COVID are overweight or obese. It could be argued that it makes no difference. Apologies if anyone has already posted this. That makes no sense. You don’t understand figures If the two thirds who are obese didn’t die it wouldn’t mean the numbers would be made up by those who are non-obese It would just mean the total number of deaths was reduced by two-thirds and we wouldnt have the huge number we have today So in a real sense the large number of deaths we have is partly due to the high numbers obese people dying About 2/3 of the adult population are overweight or obese. About 2/3 of the people dying of Covid are overweight or obese. If you remove the obese people from the equation... the same proportion of people are dying, you just have less people. Hope that helps. A LOT less people dying You don't understand proportions, do you?" Hahaa made me laugh .... | |||
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"Well here’s the thing , almost two thirds of adults are classed as overweight or obese in the U.K. so it’s hardly surprising that two thirds of people dying from COVID are overweight or obese. It could be argued that it makes no difference. Apologies if anyone has already posted this. That makes no sense. You don’t understand figures If the two thirds who are obese didn’t die it wouldn’t mean the numbers would be made up by those who are non-obese It would just mean the total number of deaths was reduced by two-thirds and we wouldnt have the huge number we have today So in a real sense the large number of deaths we have is partly due to the high numbers obese people dying " Yes if less were obese then less would die BUT if two thirds are obese and two thirds dying are obese then it’s obvious that the people dying whom are obese are directly proportional to the percentage whom are obese in the general population. | |||
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"Eating healthy is way cheaper than junk and for anyone that says they don't have time I work 60+ hours a week and still manage to cook a healthy balanced meal from scratch every day if I really cant be bothered I will do something like pork chops and salad with some rice eating unhealthy and portion controll is a choice. Do you have three kids live in a high rise and don’t drive? Nope didn’t think so - oh how easy it is to judge others when you don’t know how they live. " well by the time they have carried there bags back from the supermarket and up the stairs of there high rise they might loose a bit of weight. | |||
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"well by the time they have carried there bags back from the supermarket and up the stairs of there high rise they might loose a bit of weight. " Wow. 
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"Eating healthy is way cheaper than junk and for anyone that says they don't have time I work 60+ hours a week and still manage to cook a healthy balanced meal from scratch every day if I really cant be bothered I will do something like pork chops and salad with some rice eating unhealthy and portion controll is a choice. Do you have three kids live in a high rise and don’t drive? Nope didn’t think so - oh how easy it is to judge others when you don’t know how they live. well by the time they have carried there bags back from the supermarket and up the stairs of there high rise they might loose a bit of weight. " Lose not loose - if you’re insulting and belittling kids living on the poverty line at least get the spelling right. | |||
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"Eating healthy is way cheaper than junk and for anyone that says they don't have time I work 60+ hours a week and still manage to cook a healthy balanced meal from scratch every day if I really cant be bothered I will do something like pork chops and salad with some rice eating unhealthy and portion controll is a choice. Do you have three kids live in a high rise and don’t drive? Nope didn’t think so - oh how easy it is to judge others when you don’t know how they live. well by the time they have carried there bags back from the supermarket and up the stairs of there high rise they might loose a bit of weight. Lose not loose - if you’re insulting and belittling kids living on the poverty line at least get the spelling right. " Today's themes are victim blaming and being judgemental as fuck. | |||
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"Eating healthy is way cheaper than junk and for anyone that says they don't have time I work 60+ hours a week and still manage to cook a healthy balanced meal from scratch every day if I really cant be bothered I will do something like pork chops and salad with some rice eating unhealthy and portion controll is a choice. Do you have three kids live in a high rise and don’t drive? Nope didn’t think so - oh how easy it is to judge others when you don’t know how they live. well by the time they have carried there bags back from the supermarket and up the stairs of there high rise they might loose a bit of weight. Lose not loose - if you’re insulting and belittling kids living on the poverty line at least get the spelling right. Today's themes are victim blaming and being judgemental as fuck." I totally agree. | |||
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"Eating healthy is way cheaper than junk and for anyone that says they don't have time I work 60+ hours a week and still manage to cook a healthy balanced meal from scratch every day if I really cant be bothered I will do something like pork chops and salad with some rice eating unhealthy and portion controll is a choice. Do you have three kids live in a high rise and don’t drive? Nope didn’t think so - oh how easy it is to judge others when you don’t know how they live. well by the time they have carried there bags back from the supermarket and up the stairs of there high rise they might loose a bit of weight. Lose not loose - if you’re insulting and belittling kids living on the poverty line at least get the spelling right. Today's themes are victim blaming and being judgemental as fuck." | |||
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"Eating healthy is way cheaper than junk and for anyone that says they don't have time I work 60+ hours a week and still manage to cook a healthy balanced meal from scratch every day if I really cant be bothered I will do something like pork chops and salad with some rice eating unhealthy and portion controll is a choice. Do you have three kids live in a high rise and don’t drive? Nope didn’t think so - oh how easy it is to judge others when you don’t know how they live. well by the time they have carried there bags back from the supermarket and up the stairs of there high rise they might loose a bit of weight. Lose not loose - if you’re insulting and belittling kids living on the poverty line at least get the spelling right. Today's themes are victim blaming and being judgemental as fuck. I totally agree. " it's been great for passing the time of day tho nothing more entertaining than a judgemental know it all to wind up. | |||
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"Eating healthy is way cheaper than junk and for anyone that says they don't have time I work 60+ hours a week and still manage to cook a healthy balanced meal from scratch every day if I really cant be bothered I will do something like pork chops and salad with some rice eating unhealthy and portion controll is a choice. Do you have three kids live in a high rise and don’t drive? Nope didn’t think so - oh how easy it is to judge others when you don’t know how they live. well by the time they have carried there bags back from the supermarket and up the stairs of there high rise they might loose a bit of weight. Lose not loose - if you’re insulting and belittling kids living on the poverty line at least get the spelling right. Today's themes are victim blaming and being judgemental as fuck. I totally agree. it's been great for passing the time of day tho nothing more entertaining than a judgemental know it all to wind up. " Being judgmental about and bullying others is not very entertaining for the group of people who are being picked on is it? | |||
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"Eating healthy is way cheaper than junk and for anyone that says they don't have time I work 60+ hours a week and still manage to cook a healthy balanced meal from scratch every day if I really cant be bothered I will do something like pork chops and salad with some rice eating unhealthy and portion controll is a choice. Do you have three kids live in a high rise and don’t drive? Nope didn’t think so - oh how easy it is to judge others when you don’t know how they live. well by the time they have carried there bags back from the supermarket and up the stairs of there high rise they might loose a bit of weight. Lose not loose - if you’re insulting and belittling kids living on the poverty line at least get the spelling right. Today's themes are victim blaming and being judgemental as fuck. I totally agree. it's been great for passing the time of day tho nothing more entertaining than a judgemental know it all to wind up. Being judgmental about and bullying others is not very entertaining for the group of people who are being picked on is it? " Yep | |||
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"If you can turn on an oven to put oven chips and nuggets in am quite sure one could do the same to roast a chicken. The chicken will take longer to roast. If you can put beans in a saucepan you should have the necessary skill to put water in a saucepan as well to cook potatoes and carrots in. Let’s be honest here, its not about healthy eating its about an easy life and if your little precious wants junk food then you give it to him/her. Basically its about you cant be arsed to cook properly. hell in understand that I don’t always want to cook meat and two veg but i am not using the excuse of “its to expensive”." If that family have £2 for gas or electric that day, are they going to use the oven for 20 minutes for nuggets or 90+ minutes for a chicken. Fresh chicken lasts 2 days at most, a kilo of nuggets will possibly feed a family for 4 days. I guess the chicken nugget times because I don't actually know but the issue is bigger than just supermarket prices per kilo. Sticking with it though, I imagine you can buy nuggets by the kilo but a large chicken implies more than a kilo, how much is it for a small chicken or a kilo of breast? And since when has baked beans been a bad thing? My kids are not keen admitted | |||
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"If you can turn on an oven to put oven chips and nuggets in am quite sure one could do the same to roast a chicken. The chicken will take longer to roast. If you can put beans in a saucepan you should have the necessary skill to put water in a saucepan as well to cook potatoes and carrots in. Let’s be honest here, its not about healthy eating its about an easy life and if your little precious wants junk food then you give it to him/her. Basically its about you cant be arsed to cook properly. hell in understand that I don’t always want to cook meat and two veg but i am not using the excuse of “its to expensive”. If that family have £2 for gas or electric that day, are they going to use the oven for 20 minutes for nuggets or 90+ minutes for a chicken. Fresh chicken lasts 2 days at most, a kilo of nuggets will possibly feed a family for 4 days. I guess the chicken nugget times because I don't actually know but the issue is bigger than just supermarket prices per kilo. Sticking with it though, I imagine you can buy nuggets by the kilo but a large chicken implies more than a kilo, how much is it for a small chicken or a kilo of breast? And since when has baked beans been a bad thing? My kids are not keen admitted " Chicken cooking time is around 20 minutes to the pound plus 20 minutes so a 1 kilo chicken would be around 64 minutes to cook (figures are approximations) pluse oven pre heating which would of of course apply to whatever you cook including nuggets. Nuggets need around 20 -25 minutes to cook regardless of quantity so if you cooked 1 kilo of nuggets its 25 minutes, cooking them over 4 days would be 100 minutes., plus of course 4 days of oven pre heating. It’s getting down to semantics here and binary thinking in that being cheap is bad but cost effective whereas cost more is better but not cost effective. All i am saying is that don’t just follow the mantra that buying cheaper is actually cheaper, weigh it up yourself, work it out. If you don’t want to then thats fine but don’t just tow the line of what’s always trotted out. Baked Beans are okay but your better off with actual beans and tinned tomatoes and make your own. Do i do that? No. I buy Aldi baked beans but don’t eat them more than once or twice a week at most. At best a tin of baked beans contain around 50 per cent beans and 30 per cent tomatoes, both good for you. Beans do though contain large amounts of salt and sugar (aside from the reduced varieties) which are what generally influences the taste and peoples buying selection. | |||
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"Did food companies force feed anyone? Not aware of it myself.." Eat out to help out schemes possibly do not help from a health perspective . Neither does closing down gyms. | |||
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" The food industry has a lot to answer for - The food industry has nothing to answer for. People are responsible for their own actions." Do you work in the food industry? | |||
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"According to studies done by the British Medical Journal and quoted here by Dentistry.co.uk, 78% of confirmed Covid infections are in people who are overweight or obese, and 62% of those who have died in hospital are either overweight or obese. https://www.dentistry.co.uk/2020/06/11/overweight-obese-confirmed-covid/ The food industry has a lot to answer for - though I guess we knew that already for different reasons" People with long term health conditions are usually carrying extra weight. It impedes mobility, as you get older and, more isolated meal times maybe your only source of pleasure. | |||
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"According to studies done by the British Medical Journal and quoted here by Dentistry.co.uk, 78% of confirmed Covid infections are in people who are overweight or obese, and 62% of those who have died in hospital are either overweight or obese. https://www.dentistry.co.uk/2020/06/11/overweight-obese-confirmed-covid/ The food industry has a lot to answer for - though I guess we knew that already for different reasons" 40% of the population are overweight | |||
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"I remember reading about an overweight woman with a morbidly obese child. She blamed the government, saying no one told her feeding her child a diet of cola, crisps and chocolate was bad for the child... "That is child abuse. What happened to her and the child ? Probably nothing I expect. | |||
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"I remember reading about an overweight woman with a morbidly obese child. She blamed the government, saying no one told her feeding her child a diet of cola, crisps and chocolate was bad for the child... "Where did you read this? | |||
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"According to studies done by the British Medical Journal and quoted here by Dentistry.co.uk, 78% of confirmed Covid infections are in people who are overweight or obese, and 62% of those who have died in hospital are either overweight or obese. https://www.dentistry.co.uk/2020/06/11/overweight-obese-confirmed-covid/ The food industry has a lot to answer for - though I guess we knew that already for different reasons 40% of the population are overweight" Link? | |||
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"The food industry loads processed food with sugar and fat and then uses high pressure advertising to get people to buy it - especially kids who pester their parents for junk food. Of course they have a lot to answer for." And slick advertising with a load of fibs wrapped up in a kernel of plausible truth. Sadly we live in a society that will not accept finger pointing even if it's true, it's just not acceptable. | |||
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"I remember reading about an overweight woman with a morbidly obese child. She blamed the government, saying no one told her feeding her child a diet of cola, crisps and chocolate was bad for the child...
That is child abuse.
What happened to her and the child ?
Probably nothing I expect."They were both sentenced to read the daily mail twice a day front to back and twice for the Sunday edition.. That way they would cease to be a burden on the good folk of ye olde England and it's colonies.. They would grow to be good citizens and one day they might if accepted be able to look down their noses and condemn others in a most condescending fashion.. And all would be well in the land.. | |||
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"If you can turn on an oven to put oven chips and nuggets in am quite sure one could do the same to roast a chicken. The chicken will take longer to roast. If you can put beans in a saucepan you should have the necessary skill to put water in a saucepan as well to cook potatoes and carrots in. Let’s be honest here, its not about healthy eating its about an easy life and if your little precious wants junk food then you give it to him/her. Basically its about you cant be arsed to cook properly. hell in understand that I don’t always want to cook meat and two veg but i am not using the excuse of “its to expensive”. If that family have £2 for gas or electric that day, are they going to use the oven for 20 minutes for nuggets or 90+ minutes for a chicken. Fresh chicken lasts 2 days at most, a kilo of nuggets will possibly feed a family for 4 days. I guess the chicken nugget times because I don't actually know but the issue is bigger than just supermarket prices per kilo. Sticking with it though, I imagine you can buy nuggets by the kilo but a large chicken implies more than a kilo, how much is it for a small chicken or a kilo of breast? And since when has baked beans been a bad thing? My kids are not keen admitted " Wonder how many hours of TV and XBox and internet streaming are being used each day. Not forgetting Sky or and Netflix or a few beers and 20 cigs a day. It's all down to priorities. | |||
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"If you can turn on an oven to put oven chips and nuggets in am quite sure one could do the same to roast a chicken. The chicken will take longer to roast. If you can put beans in a saucepan you should have the necessary skill to put water in a saucepan as well to cook potatoes and carrots in. Let’s be honest here, its not about healthy eating its about an easy life and if your little precious wants junk food then you give it to him/her. Basically its about you cant be arsed to cook properly. hell in understand that I don’t always want to cook meat and two veg but i am not using the excuse of “its to expensive”. If that family have £2 for gas or electric that day, are they going to use the oven for 20 minutes for nuggets or 90+ minutes for a chicken. Fresh chicken lasts 2 days at most, a kilo of nuggets will possibly feed a family for 4 days. I guess the chicken nugget times because I don't actually know but the issue is bigger than just supermarket prices per kilo. Sticking with it though, I imagine you can buy nuggets by the kilo but a large chicken implies more than a kilo, how much is it for a small chicken or a kilo of breast? And since when has baked beans been a bad thing? My kids are not keen admitted Wonder how many hours of TV and XBox and internet streaming are being used each day. Not forgetting Sky or and Netflix or a few beers and 20 cigs a day. It's all down to priorities. " And daily mailesque nonsense. If you are on the bones of your arse I doubt you can afford the exorbitant prices sky charge. | |||
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"If you can turn on an oven to put oven chips and nuggets in am quite sure one could do the same to roast a chicken. The chicken will take longer to roast. If you can put beans in a saucepan you should have the necessary skill to put water in a saucepan as well to cook potatoes and carrots in. Let’s be honest here, its not about healthy eating its about an easy life and if your little precious wants junk food then you give it to him/her. Basically its about you cant be arsed to cook properly. hell in understand that I don’t always want to cook meat and two veg but i am not using the excuse of “its to expensive”. If that family have £2 for gas or electric that day, are they going to use the oven for 20 minutes for nuggets or 90+ minutes for a chicken. Fresh chicken lasts 2 days at most, a kilo of nuggets will possibly feed a family for 4 days. I guess the chicken nugget times because I don't actually know but the issue is bigger than just supermarket prices per kilo. Sticking with it though, I imagine you can buy nuggets by the kilo but a large chicken implies more than a kilo, how much is it for a small chicken or a kilo of breast? And since when has baked beans been a bad thing? My kids are not keen admitted Wonder how many hours of TV and XBox and internet streaming are being used each day. Not forgetting Sky or and Netflix or a few beers and 20 cigs a day. It's all down to priorities. And daily mailesque nonsense. If you are on the bones of your arse I doubt you can afford the exorbitant prices sky charge." Amazed at how many on the dole have all these and yet say they can't feed their kids. Volunteer for a couple groups that help the vulnerable and my eyes are constantly being opened to strange ideas that people hold too. | |||
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"Did food companies force feed anyone? Not aware of it myself.." But they are a primary cause filling foods with sugar ect, this food breaks down quickly and insulin gets put into fat storage, so cheap mass produced food is very much to blame. | |||
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" And daily mailesque nonsense. If you are on the bones of your arse I doubt you can afford the exorbitant prices sky charge." Been there. There was no point in even dreaming about heating a single room. | |||
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"I remember reading about an overweight woman with a morbidly obese child. She blamed the government, saying no one told her feeding her child a diet of cola, crisps and chocolate was bad for the child...
Where did you read this?
"In a newspaper, about 5 years ago if memory serves me right. | |||
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"I remember reading about an overweight woman with a morbidly obese child. She blamed the government, saying no one told her feeding her child a diet of cola, crisps and chocolate was bad for the child...
Where did you read this?
In a newspaper, about 5 years ago if memory serves me right. "Well I suppose it depends what newspaper. If she genuinely believes that ,there is clearly educational issues there. On the other hand, the paper may have completely made up the story ,in another example of blaming the victim? | |||
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"I remember reading about an overweight woman with a morbidly obese child. She blamed the government, saying no one told her feeding her child a diet of cola, crisps and chocolate was bad for the child...
Where did you read this?
In a newspaper, about 5 years ago if memory serves me right.
Well I suppose it depends what newspaper.
If she genuinely believes that ,there is clearly educational issues there.
On the other hand, the paper may have completely made up the story ,in another example of blaming the victim?"You cynic you.. The media, make up stories to demonise people as that suits their agenda .. Surely not.. | |||
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"I remember reading about an overweight woman with a morbidly obese child. She blamed the government, saying no one told her feeding her child a diet of cola, crisps and chocolate was bad for the child...
Where did you read this?
In a newspaper, about 5 years ago if memory serves me right.
Well I suppose it depends what newspaper.
If she genuinely believes that ,there is clearly educational issues there.
On the other hand, the paper may have completely made up the story ,in another example of blaming the victim?
You cynic you..
The media, make up stories to demonise people as that suits their agenda ..
Surely not.."Noooo | |||
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