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By *andT2020 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Gods Country

Its is reported that the majority of people who are infected are "asymptomatic", up to 90% according to some reports. It is also the case that you should only seek a test if you are experiencing one or more of the stated symptoms .....so who are these people who've got it but didn't know, are they relatives/close contacts of those who have ?

Accepted some NHS staff and probably other professions are being routinely tested regardless of whether they have symptoms (footballers and the likes) but the reported number of asymptomatic cases is huge.....would these routine tests generate those kind of numbers?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The return of students and school kids would have had an impact I guess.

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By *andT2020 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Gods Country


"The return of students and school kids would have had an impact I guess."

yer no doubt but what puzzles me most is...if asymptomatic folk aren't popping along for a test, how do they know?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The return of students and school kids would have had an impact I guess.

yer no doubt but what puzzles me most is...if asymptomatic folk aren't popping along for a test, how do they know?"

But thats the point it's asymptomatic school kids, students etc that are being tested.

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South


"Its is reported that the majority of people who are infected are "asymptomatic", up to 90% according to some reports. It is also the case that you should only seek a test if you are experiencing one or more of the stated symptoms .....so who are these people who've got it but didn't know, are they relatives/close contacts of those who have ?

Accepted some NHS staff and probably other professions are being routinely tested regardless of whether they have symptoms (footballers and the likes) but the reported number of asymptomatic cases is huge.....would these routine tests generate those kind of numbers?

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This is the idea - with 15 teachers having died this week these cannot come soon enough. The current research indicates that children are more likely to be asymptomatic the younger the more likely. Primary school teachers are at a great risk due to this.

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South


"The return of students and school kids would have had an impact I guess.

yer no doubt but what puzzles me most is...if asymptomatic folk aren't popping along for a test, how do they know?

But thats the point it's asymptomatic school kids, students etc that are being tested."

Friend of mine primary teacher CEV... in hospital. Lives alone shopping delivered. Parent of child in class tested positive - parents chose to test children 5 in class tested positive with no symptoms whatsoever. But hey those lazy teachers just want to get out of work ....

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By *andT2020 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Gods Country


"The return of students and school kids would have had an impact I guess.

yer no doubt but what puzzles me most is...if asymptomatic folk aren't popping along for a test, how do they know?

But thats the point it's asymptomatic school kids, students etc that are being tested."

We've got 3 of school age, 2 at a high school with 2200 other kids and there's no routine testing there and very few cases so far.

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South


"The return of students and school kids would have had an impact I guess.

yer no doubt but what puzzles me most is...if asymptomatic folk aren't popping along for a test, how do they know?

But thats the point it's asymptomatic school kids, students etc that are being tested.

We've got 3 of school age, 2 at a high school with 2200 other kids and there's no routine testing there and very few cases so far. "

How would you know if the kids aren’t showing symptoms.

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By *andT2020 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Gods Country


"The return of students and school kids would have had an impact I guess.

yer no doubt but what puzzles me most is...if asymptomatic folk aren't popping along for a test, how do they know?

But thats the point it's asymptomatic school kids, students etc that are being tested.

We've got 3 of school age, 2 at a high school with 2200 other kids and there's no routine testing there and very few cases so far.

How would you know if the kids aren’t showing symptoms. "

Indeed and thats my point....how do they know?

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South


"The return of students and school kids would have had an impact I guess.

yer no doubt but what puzzles me most is...if asymptomatic folk aren't popping along for a test, how do they know?

But thats the point it's asymptomatic school kids, students etc that are being tested.

We've got 3 of school age, 2 at a high school with 2200 other kids and there's no routine testing there and very few cases so far.

How would you know if the kids aren’t showing symptoms.

Indeed and thats my point....how do they know?"

So in my case above it’s found out too late ....... in this case due to teachers not being protected my friend is in awful shape. I guess it’s pot luck whether people decide Hancock cares more about the cost of tests than their responsibility to protect others .... imo a test after ten days of contact whether symptoms or not should be mandatory

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By *andT2020 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Gods Country


"The return of students and school kids would have had an impact I guess.

yer no doubt but what puzzles me most is...if asymptomatic folk aren't popping along for a test, how do they know?

But thats the point it's asymptomatic school kids, students etc that are being tested.

We've got 3 of school age, 2 at a high school with 2200 other kids and there's no routine testing there and very few cases so far.

How would you know if the kids aren’t showing symptoms.

Indeed and thats my point....how do they know?

So in my case above it’s found out too late ....... in this case due to teachers not being protected my friend is in awful shape. I guess it’s pot luck whether people decide Hancock cares more about the cost of tests than their responsibility to protect others .... imo a test after ten days of contact whether symptoms or not should be mandatory "

manditory testing for everyone seems to be the logical answer

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

I’m assuming it’s from individuals that have to have automatic testing.

Example a child in our school (the only case) went into isolation after his father tested positive after routine testing at his job (asymptomatic); the child was tested 6 days later also symptomatic.

To pick up on another point raised, I think if you have come into contact with someone who has tested positive you should be allowed to take the test even without symptoms.

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

Have we had any results yet from the mass testing in Liverpool ?

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry


"Have we had any results yet from the mass testing in Liverpool ?"

154 positive that had no symptoms.

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds


"Have we had any results yet from the mass testing in Liverpool ?

154 positive that had no symptoms."

Out of how many tests ?

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By *andT2020 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Gods Country


"I’m assuming it’s from individuals that have to have automatic testing.

Example a child in our school (the only case) went into isolation after his father tested positive after routine testing at his job (asymptomatic); the child was tested 6 days later also symptomatic.

To pick up on another point raised, I think if you have come into contact with someone who has tested positive you should be allowed to take the test even without symptoms. "

i think the maths are bamboozling folk, certainly me. 1.25m positives in the UK and 90% are asymptomatic? That cant be right.....can it?

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"The return of students and school kids would have had an impact I guess.

yer no doubt but what puzzles me most is...if asymptomatic folk aren't popping along for a test, how do they know?

But thats the point it's asymptomatic school kids, students etc that are being tested.

We've got 3 of school age, 2 at a high school with 2200 other kids and there's no routine testing there and very few cases so far.

How would you know if the kids aren’t showing symptoms. "

How would you know what testing is being done to other kids, families and teachers..?

My sons school 1500 pupils hundreds of staff.. Have had 2 known cases since they returned. Both members of staff. One the day they returned after 11 days off at half term... So most likely acquired away from school.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry


"Have we had any results yet from the mass testing in Liverpool ?

154 positive that had no symptoms.

Out of how many tests ?"

23,170 tested since friday, 0.7% testing positive

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-54885261

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

Thanks for the figures

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Only testing carried out on random samples of the population that are representative of the population, will indicate the proportion of the population that's infected.

People who self-select to be tested are biased, thus potentially skewing the results. Quite a few posters here have been subject to random UK population testing surveys. I think the ONS should have greater data on this. Obviously if those tested are screened for being symptomatic or asymptomatic, you could see the full pattern.

Someone may be pre-symptomatic when tested, later going on to develop symptoms.

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands


"Its is reported that the majority of people who are infected are "asymptomatic", up to 90% according to some reports. It is also the case that you should only seek a test if you are experiencing one or more of the stated symptoms .....so who are these people who've got it but didn't know, are they relatives/close contacts of those who have ?

Accepted some NHS staff and probably other professions are being routinely tested regardless of whether they have symptoms (footballers and the likes) but the reported number of asymptomatic cases is huge.....would these routine tests generate those kind of numbers?

"

Hence operation moonshot .....

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

As of nov 5, the uk had tested 27.8 covid tests per positive case. In the US the figure was 16.6, while in Germany it was 43.9 on nov 1.

Australia had 329 tests per positive case on nov 8, while New Zealand had carried out 699.4 tests per positive case.

These figures are from ourworldindata.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Have we had any results yet from the mass testing in Liverpool ?

154 positive that had no symptoms."

Daft question but is that the whole figure or just those asymptomatic?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Have we had any results yet from the mass testing in Liverpool ?

154 positive that had no symptoms.

Daft question but is that the whole figure or just those asymptomatic?"

Ignore that pls, just seen the percentages..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The return of students and school kids would have had an impact I guess.

yer no doubt but what puzzles me most is...if asymptomatic folk aren't popping along for a test, how do they know?"

Because lots of local authorities are running walk-in testing centres that anyone can get tested at, not just people that are showing symptoms

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By *orwegian BlueMan
over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..

I have recently had covid, still getting over the symptoms.

Those I with live all were tested a few days after I had received my positive result and all came back negative.

They were tested a few days before their quarantine period was up to make sure it they hadn't contracted it from me after their initial test and still were negative.

My mum also tested positive for covid the same time as me, she does not live in my household and we had only been in contact briefly and outdoors 5 days previous to my symptoms starting.

She fortunately had very mild symptoms around the same time as me. Her cough started about the same time as my cough.

So the timelines do not really match for either one of us to have given covid to the other, we assume it's coincidence that we both contracted independently a few days later.

Last weekend, those in my household got blood draw antibody tests; they have all tested positive for antibodies so must have had covid at some point previous to myself and were not the reason I caught it.

From what I understand from the Drs I spoke with, you can still test positive for up to 3 weeks after having covid symptom even though you are contagious for the first week (give or take a few days) so it would seem that those in my house must have had it some time before me.

This got us thinking, early February, my son who works for the emergency services was ill for around a week with a temperature, a normal winter bug we thought. We all caught it one after another, all were ill for a few days with temperatures, headaches and a bit of a cough. I was a little unwell for one day, by the next day i was fine.

This was really early on before covid was all over the news, none of us even considered it was more than a cold at the time.

Since then, at no other point has any of my household been unwell.

So this begs the question, as I was the least unwell back in Feb, if it was covid, does this mean my antibody levels were not high enough to prevent me catching covid (or a mutated strain) recently?

Or, have those in my house caught it at a later date independent of one another, been asymptomatic and not passed it on to the others in the house or those they have been in contact with?

The latter we feel is more likely.

A friend who is a nurse contracted covid, was asymptomatic and was only picked up during random staff testing at her work. Her boyfriend never caught it and has never had it.

Studies have also shown that young children generally do not suffer with covid and do not spread it readily.

The study in the US compared households with no children and those with young children who attend school, the rates of infection were similar between the two groups concluding transmission was greater amongst adults who are shown to have a greater viral load.

It has also been seen that those who are most unwell tend to have very high levels of the virus present in their bodies.

So perhaps those who are asymptomatic generally do not spread it as readily to others? This has been documented quite a number of times with some not catching covid from close contacts who have tested positive.

There are obviously the exceptions, the superspreaders as they have been called, who seem to have a very high viral load and spread it to many, even though they themselves are asymptomatic. Obviously we cannot be complacent as enough still isn't known or understood why some are asymptomatic and others aren't.

It all seems a little confusing as nothing seems to make sense around transmission and why some, even very healthy people, suffer far more than others who have no symptoms at all.

I'm sure there are an infinite number of variables at play which causes this "Russian roulette" of contagion we see.

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds


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Those I with live all were tested a few days after I had received my positive result and all came back negative.

They were tested a few days before their quarantine period was up to make sure it they hadn't contracted it from me after their initial test and still were negative.

"

The government guidelines say if you live with someone who tests positive you must quarantine for 14 days and there is no need to be tested unless you have symptoms. Yet your housemates were all tested twice ?

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By *orwegian BlueMan
over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..


"

Those I with live all were tested a few days after I had received my positive result and all came back negative.

They were tested a few days before their quarantine period was up to make sure it they hadn't contracted it from me after their initial test and still were negative.

The government guidelines say if you live with someone who tests positive you must quarantine for 14 days and there is no need to be tested unless you have symptoms. Yet your housemates were all tested twice ? "

You 14 day quarantine starts from the first day the person you live with has symptoms, not from the point of receiving the positive result.

one member of the house had a cough that started near the end of the quarantine.

Concerned that they may now have covid and that the other may be asymptomatic, they were all retested.

Of course, they could have ignored it, not had a second test and gone out when their quarantine period ended not knowing if any were positive or not.

On the basis they had been stuck in a not particularly large house with someone who was positive and had quite severe symptoms, they decided it was too great a risk not to find out.

Other than those they encountered at the test centre, they did not come into contact with anyone else, nor was it a contravention of the rules for quarantine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The return of students and school kids would have had an impact I guess.

yer no doubt but what puzzles me most is...if asymptomatic folk aren't popping along for a test, how do they know?"

They don't I've just completed 14 days isolation and had no symptoms so could do a test. This is because it can take 5 to 10 days from be exposed to show as positive. Testing in this window often will show you as negative.

Employers sending people for tests straight after exposure to get the neg result to get them back into work as quick as possible just leads to more infections 7 to 10 days later and according to track and trace is a huge problem atm.

I was with the infected team member for hours hurting puffing and lifting furniture on the day he tested positive so a good chance of infection.

Am I asymptomatic I don't know.

I may do an antibody test in a months time to find out that way.

KJ

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By *oved Up 2Couple
over a year ago

nottingham


"The return of students and school kids would have had an impact I guess.

yer no doubt but what puzzles me most is...if asymptomatic folk aren't popping along for a test, how do they know?"

Will come from those tested routinely at work. Also areas of high infection have been offering home tests. I received a letter this week offering me a home test kit. They are randomly selecting people from GP lists and offering tests to see how widespread it is. These and many other reasons I'm sure

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