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"Endless? It's ending in December  "Is it? The “media” are already pushing for an extension, they normally get what they want | |||
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"Endless? It's ending in December Is it? The “media” are already pushing for an extension, they normally get what they want"I hope not. Cindi needs play time  | |||
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"We have the vaccine in a few weeks so we are all saved now. Amazing how a few days makes such a difference. If you trust it. " Being type1 diabetic and vulnerable I'd take my chances with a vaccine over hiding away all the time any day
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" Business and life Ruined.Still no prophylactic solution apart from mask and social distancing. What do you think." You'll be front of the queue for the vaccine then ? | |||
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"We have the vaccine in a few weeks so we are all saved now. Amazing how a few days makes such a difference. If you trust it. " it hasn't been approved by the government yet And you do realise only 60% of the, population will eventually get the vaccine. The other 40%.go down the herd immunity route. It's a, known fact that this is the only way to try and eradicate the problem.its been this way with every virus Inc the flu. It's a possible game changer by numbers. The government have already said that if this vaccine gets approved there is a huge logistics problem to overcome. Well seeing as they have been so inept with everything they've done so far we may still be here come next spring or summer | |||
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"The government have already said that if this vaccine gets approved there is a huge logistics problem to overcome." Having witnessed Army logistics over the last few months, getting them involved at this point puts a much brighter perspective on this part of the equation. Whilst I'm not a great fan of people running about shooting each other, those guys have been awesome! I gather they're also going to employ the services of trainee doctors, nurses and even vets to help administer the potential vaccine. | |||
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Lockdown #1 had a definite effect on the infection levels. Similar reductions should be expected from this one. | |||
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"I thought this was a revived archive post from the spring, as it certainly seems to represent a different place on the time-space continuum.
Lockdown #1 had a definite effect on the infection levels. Similar reductions should be expected from this one."It'll be slower because of schools, but yes. Save lives, save people from at least medium term disability, save the NHS from being overrun. Give science a chance to work out better treatment and progress to continue on vaccine candidates. Given immunity wanes, it's probably our only hope. (I'd say give the government breathing room to create an effective track and trace system but... I'm trying to be serious here  ) | |||
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"I thought this was a revived archive post from the spring, as it certainly seems to represent a different place on the time-space continuum.
Lockdown #1 had a definite effect on the infection levels. Similar reductions should be expected from this one."You can see the effect of the admittedly mostly harsher lockdowns in wales scotland and northern Ireland. The number of cases and % of positive tests is dropping. | |||
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" Business and life Ruined.Still no prophylactic solution apart from mask and social distancing. What do you think." i've been doing pretty much what i want all year long, lockdown means nothing to me to be honest. | |||
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" Business and life Ruined.Still no prophylactic solution apart from mask and social distancing. What do you think." It is life at the ment and it will get worse so exept it not worth the risk and not fair on others. If people obeyed rules there would be no need for lockdown. We have lockdown because so many are ignorant and selfish.They cause the lockdown not the government or sage,look to yourself | |||
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"I see it as necessary .. arguably even more necessary would be if people actually followed the rules . people here are going about things like its normal day .. and don't ask me how many people on the street have tradesmen in doing repairs and renovations. I thought everyone was supposed to stop working unless they were essential services? Getting a new patio is hardly essential, is it? especially when the tradesmen themselves are likely/ already claiming Self-employment grants and working on the sly cash in hand anyway.. boils my pee does that! especially when so many out there are struggling to even put food on the table bottom line as long as people keep trying to bend the rules and keep acting like children over getting vaccinated etc then we can expect much more restrictions and lockdowns in the future .. In the meantime I might sack my hard work and expense to get a degree and train to be a bricklayer instead! :/ " The construction industry hasn't stopped. | |||
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"I see it as necessary .. arguably even more necessary would be if people actually followed the rules . people here are going about things like its normal day .. and don't ask me how many people on the street have tradesmen in doing repairs and renovations. I thought everyone was supposed to stop working unless they were essential services? Getting a new patio is hardly essential, is it? especially when the tradesmen themselves are likely/ already claiming Self-employment grants and working on the sly cash in hand anyway.. boils my pee does that! especially when so many out there are struggling to even put food on the table bottom line as long as people keep trying to bend the rules and keep acting like children over getting vaccinated etc then we can expect much more restrictions and lockdowns in the future .. In the meantime I might sack my hard work and expense to get a degree and train to be a bricklayer instead! :/ " Are you saying bricklaying isn't hard work ? | |||
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"That was my point "I dont see your point ...the government have never shut the industry down. | |||
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" Business and life Ruined.Still no prophylactic solution apart from mask and social distancing. What do you think." I think there's no easy or simple solution to dealing with a worldwide pandemic, a virus that's never been seen before, that no one had any idea how it spread, or how quickly. When there was obviously no research done into controlling the spread or how to protect the world's population. A virus that we learn something new every day. When a huge number of people still refuse it exists, whilst thousands die every day. When huge numbers of people refuse to do the simple things that slow down it's spread. When people dismiss it's potency by saying things like 99.84% of the population recover from it, forgetting the .16% represents over 12 million people. When people refuse to read the reams of research that's readily available from reliable and credible sources. That's just a few of my thoughts. E | |||
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" Business and life Ruined.Still no prophylactic solution apart from mask and social distancing. What do you think." I've just come from my local retail park and there is no sign of a lockdown whatsoever. More than half the shops were open including the Costa coffee, Smyth's toy shop, and The Range, and those that weren't, were open for click and collect with big queues outside. Car park was rammed at the wholesalers too, with a 20 minute queue to get inside. I think a great deal of people are with you op. | |||
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"I thought this was a revived archive post from the spring, as it certainly seems to represent a different place on the time-space continuum.
Lockdown #1 had a definite effect on the infection levels. Similar reductions should be expected from this one."Isn't this recent strain of the virus, one that originated in Spain. Wonder which country, will give us their strain next. | |||
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" Business and life Ruined.Still no prophylactic solution apart from mask and social distancing. What do you think." This Endless lockdown only started 6 days ago....  | |||
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"I havent said they are not allowed to work ? they are though allowed to still work and claim self employment payments right ? which is a ,little bit unfair dont you think? and as for the comment about bricklaying being easy ? really ! I didn't think my writing was that hard to understand .. seems it is :/ " Bricklaying is very easy, but (like most trades) GOOD Bricklaying is much harder. Cal | |||
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"I havent said they are not allowed to work ? they are though allowed to still work and claim self employment payments right ? which is a ,little bit unfair dont you think? and as for the comment about bricklaying being easy ? really ! I didn't think my writing was that hard to understand .. seems it is :/ " They shouldn't be claiming anything if they are working legally. If some are shame on them . | |||
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"I havent said they are not allowed to work ? they are though allowed to still work and claim self employment payments right ? which is a ,little bit unfair dont you think? and as for the comment about bricklaying being easy ? really ! I didn't think my writing was that hard to understand .. seems it is :/ " You are generalising. Saying that tradespeople are still working .That isnt breaking the rules. If you are going to post please make it factually correct and dont base it on assumption. | |||
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"That was my point "It never stopped from the 1st lockdown | |||
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It never stopped from the 1st lockdown "That what im trying to get across ... sighs | |||
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"sorry but you haven't a scooby about what I was trying to say at all! and frankly I cant be bothered to keep trying.Lifes too short . Have a nice day " I totally understand what you said ... | |||
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"sorry but you haven't a scooby about what I was trying to say at all! and frankly I cant be bothered to keep trying.Lifes too short . Have a nice day " Tbf you said getting building work done wasnt essential..but building work didnt stop in the 1st lockdown. They arent bending the rules. You also seemed to imply they were getting Grant's and that. | |||
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" Business and life Ruined.Still no prophylactic solution apart from mask and social distancing. What do you think. i've been doing pretty much what i want all year long, lockdown means nothing to me to be honest." Why? What makes you so ‘special ‘ | |||
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" Business and life Ruined.Still no prophylactic solution apart from mask and social distancing. What do you think. i've been doing pretty much what i want all year long, lockdown means nothing to me to be honest. Why? What makes you so ‘special ‘ "It’s ok she just wanted to stay in and look at herself in the mirror all day so not a danger! | |||
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"I see it as necessary .. arguably even more necessary would be if people actually followed the rules . people here are going about things like its normal day .. and don't ask me how many people on the street have tradesmen in doing repairs and renovations. I thought everyone was supposed to stop working unless they were essential services? Getting a new patio is hardly essential, is it? especially when the tradesmen themselves are likely/ already claiming Self-employment grants and working on the sly cash in hand anyway.. boils my pee does that! especially when so many out there are struggling to even put food on the table bottom line as long as people keep trying to bend the rules and keep acting like children over getting vaccinated etc then we can expect much more restrictions and lockdowns in the future .. In the meantime I might sack my hard work and expense to get a degree and train to be a bricklayer instead! :/ The construction industry hasn't stopped. " Much of it has stopped. E | |||
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"I see it as necessary .. arguably even more necessary would be if people actually followed the rules . people here are going about things like its normal day .. and don't ask me how many people on the street have tradesmen in doing repairs and renovations. I thought everyone was supposed to stop working unless they were essential services? Getting a new patio is hardly essential, is it? especially when the tradesmen themselves are likely/ already claiming Self-employment grants and working on the sly cash in hand anyway.. boils my pee does that! especially when so many out there are struggling to even put food on the table bottom line as long as people keep trying to bend the rules and keep acting like children over getting vaccinated etc then we can expect much more restrictions and lockdowns in the future .. In the meantime I might sack my hard work and expense to get a degree and train to be a bricklayer instead! :/ The construction industry hasn't stopped. Much of it has stopped. E" People doing work on houses etc hasn't stopped People working on roads and buildings etc certainly hasn't stopped here. | |||
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"I see it as necessary .. arguably even more necessary would be if people actually followed the rules . people here are going about things like its normal day .. and don't ask me how many people on the street have tradesmen in doing repairs and renovations. I thought everyone was supposed to stop working unless they were essential services? Getting a new patio is hardly essential, is it? especially when the tradesmen themselves are likely/ already claiming Self-employment grants and working on the sly cash in hand anyway.. boils my pee does that! especially when so many out there are struggling to even put food on the table bottom line as long as people keep trying to bend the rules and keep acting like children over getting vaccinated etc then we can expect much more restrictions and lockdowns in the future .. In the meantime I might sack my hard work and expense to get a degree and train to be a bricklayer instead! :/ The construction industry hasn't stopped. Much of it has stopped. E" Not in my area it hasn't. | |||
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"sorry but you haven't a scooby about what I was trying to say at all! and frankly I cant be bothered to keep trying.Lifes too short . Have a nice day Tbf you said getting building work done wasnt essential..but building work didnt stop in the 1st lockdown. They arent bending the rules. You also seemed to imply they were getting Grant's and that." Just to kind of clarify .. is getting your garden done? or having a new patio , extension etc .. 'Essential' I would say No it isn't .. unless it has some kind of need for an emergency repair maybe .. then indoor building work is not essential. Secondly . I am implying / well actually saying .. self-employed people are still allowed to work AND get a government grant on top of that income they make ( hopefully declare) . There are lots local / here doing 'foreigners' i.e cash in hand work around peoples homes refitting fireplaces, new floors, plastering etc etc etc. I was not at any point referring to the commercial building ( houses, car parks etc ) Wheras .. the acting , music, live entertainment scene and about 3 million other people who failed to make the grade as they were newly self wmplyed etc have not received one red cent from the government .. which I think is a total injustice .. and yes before anyone suggests it I am actually very bitter . | |||
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"The building industry did shut down at the beginning of the first lockdown, two of my stepsons are in it, some opened up after about three weeks and they have been busy ever since." It has never shut down FACT . The construction industry struggled during the first lockdown due to lack of materials initially but never has closed. | |||
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"sorry but you haven't a scooby about what I was trying to say at all! and frankly I cant be bothered to keep trying.Lifes too short . Have a nice day Tbf you said getting building work done wasnt essential..but building work didnt stop in the 1st lockdown. They arent bending the rules. You also seemed to imply they were getting Grant's and that. Just to kind of clarify .. is getting your garden done? or having a new patio , extension etc .. 'Essential' I would say No it isn't .. unless it has some kind of need for an emergency repair maybe .. then indoor building work is not essential. Secondly . I am implying / well actually saying .. self-employed people are still allowed to work AND get a government grant on top of that income they make ( hopefully declare) . There are lots local / here doing 'foreigners' i.e cash in hand work around peoples homes refitting fireplaces, new floors, plastering etc etc etc. I was not at any point referring to the commercial building ( houses, car parks etc ) Wheras .. the acting , music, live entertainment scene and about 3 million other people who failed to make the grade as they were newly self wmplyed etc have not received one red cent from the government .. which I think is a total injustice .. and yes before anyone suggests it I am actually very bitter . " I think you are completely missing the point. I don't think a new patio is essential. But the gmnt didnt stop these trades from working. Workmen always do cash in hand jobs dont they? I agree with you re the arts sector. There are a lot of inconsistencies there. | |||
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"The building industry did shut down at the beginning of the first lockdown, two of my stepsons are in it, some opened up after about three weeks and they have been busy ever since." I remember someone asking ..possibly Hancock.. why the construction sector was deemed essential and he mumbled something about new houses being essential. That was at the very beginning of lockdown part 1. | |||
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"I see it as necessary .. arguably even more necessary would be if people actually followed the rules . people here are going about things like its normal day .. and don't ask me how many people on the street have tradesmen in doing repairs and renovations. I thought everyone was supposed to stop working unless they were essential services? Getting a new patio is hardly essential, is it? especially when the tradesmen themselves are likely/ already claiming Self-employment grants and working on the sly cash in hand anyway.. boils my pee does that! especially when so many out there are struggling to even put food on the table bottom line as long as people keep trying to bend the rules and keep acting like children over getting vaccinated etc then we can expect much more restrictions and lockdowns in the future .. In the meantime I might sack my hard work and expense to get a degree and train to be a bricklayer instead! :/ The construction industry hasn't stopped. Much of it has stopped. E People doing work on houses etc hasn't stopped People working on roads and buildings etc certainly hasn't stopped here." I suspect because in those environments it's possible to maintain social distancing. Where it's impossible to maintain social distancing at the coal face or in the office, it's closed down. E | |||
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"I see it as necessary .. arguably even more necessary would be if people actually followed the rules . people here are going about things like its normal day .. and don't ask me how many people on the street have tradesmen in doing repairs and renovations. I thought everyone was supposed to stop working unless they were essential services? Getting a new patio is hardly essential, is it? especially when the tradesmen themselves are likely/ already claiming Self-employment grants and working on the sly cash in hand anyway.. boils my pee does that! especially when so many out there are struggling to even put food on the table bottom line as long as people keep trying to bend the rules and keep acting like children over getting vaccinated etc then we can expect much more restrictions and lockdowns in the future .. In the meantime I might sack my hard work and expense to get a degree and train to be a bricklayer instead! :/ The construction industry hasn't stopped. Much of it has stopped. E Not in my area it hasn't. " I think the operative phrase there is "in your area". E | |||
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" Business and life Ruined.Still no prophylactic solution apart from mask and social distancing. What do you think." You should come and spend an hour or two in any of the numerous ICU’s now at capacity. You may then have a slightly different opinion. | |||
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"I see it as necessary .. arguably even more necessary would be if people actually followed the rules . people here are going about things like its normal day .. and don't ask me how many people on the street have tradesmen in doing repairs and renovations. I thought everyone was supposed to stop working unless they were essential services? Getting a new patio is hardly essential, is it? especially when the tradesmen themselves are likely/ already claiming Self-employment grants and working on the sly cash in hand anyway.. boils my pee does that! especially when so many out there are struggling to even put food on the table bottom line as long as people keep trying to bend the rules and keep acting like children over getting vaccinated etc then we can expect much more restrictions and lockdowns in the future .. In the meantime I might sack my hard work and expense to get a degree and train to be a bricklayer instead! :/ The construction industry hasn't stopped. Much of it has stopped. E Not in my area it hasn't. I think the operative phrase there is "in your area". E" If its stopped where you are it's not down to the government. The construction industry, roads etc are and have always been allowed to continue with no restrictions. | |||
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" Business and life Ruined.Still no prophylactic solution apart from mask and social distancing. What do you think. You should come and spend an hour or two in any of the numerous ICU’s now at capacity. You may then have a slightly different opinion." ..and read the 1200 obituaries from the last few days. | |||
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"I see it as necessary .. arguably even more necessary would be if people actually followed the rules . people here are going about things like its normal day .. and don't ask me how many people on the street have tradesmen in doing repairs and renovations. I thought everyone was supposed to stop working unless they were essential services? Getting a new patio is hardly essential, is it? especially when the tradesmen themselves are likely/ already claiming Self-employment grants and working on the sly cash in hand anyway.. boils my pee does that! especially when so many out there are struggling to even put food on the table bottom line as long as people keep trying to bend the rules and keep acting like children over getting vaccinated etc then we can expect much more restrictions and lockdowns in the future .. In the meantime I might sack my hard work and expense to get a degree and train to be a bricklayer instead! :/ The construction industry hasn't stopped. Much of it has stopped. E Not in my area it hasn't. I think the operative phrase there is "in your area". E If its stopped where you are it's not down to the government. The construction industry, roads etc are and have always been allowed to continue with no restrictions. " Point me in the direction of where I said the closures were down to the government. 
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"I see it as necessary .. arguably even more necessary would be if people actually followed the rules . people here are going about things like its normal day .. and don't ask me how many people on the street have tradesmen in doing repairs and renovations. I thought everyone was supposed to stop working unless they were essential services? Getting a new patio is hardly essential, is it? especially when the tradesmen themselves are likely/ already claiming Self-employment grants and working on the sly cash in hand anyway.. boils my pee does that! especially when so many out there are struggling to even put food on the table bottom line as long as people keep trying to bend the rules and keep acting like children over getting vaccinated etc then we can expect much more restrictions and lockdowns in the future .. In the meantime I might sack my hard work and expense to get a degree and train to be a bricklayer instead! :/ The construction industry hasn't stopped. Much of it has stopped. E Not in my area it hasn't. I think the operative phrase there is "in your area". E If its stopped where you are it's not down to the government. The construction industry, roads etc are and have always been allowed to continue with no restrictions. Point me in the direction of where I said the closures were down to the government.
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"Haven't read the whole thread .....but just to say I live in a new build on a building site. So happy to answer whatever it is that is being debated." I work in construction and its booming at the moment. | |||
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"I see it as necessary .. arguably even more necessary would be if people actually followed the rules . people here are going about things like its normal day .. and don't ask me how many people on the street have tradesmen in doing repairs and renovations. I thought everyone was supposed to stop working unless they were essential services? Getting a new patio is hardly essential, is it? especially when the tradesmen themselves are likely/ already claiming Self-employment grants and working on the sly cash in hand anyway.. boils my pee does that! especially when so many out there are struggling to even put food on the table bottom line as long as people keep trying to bend the rules and keep acting like children over getting vaccinated etc then we can expect much more restrictions and lockdowns in the future .. In the meantime I might sack my hard work and expense to get a degree and train to be a bricklayer instead! :/ The construction industry hasn't stopped. Much of it has stopped. E Not in my area it hasn't. I think the operative phrase there is "in your area". E If its stopped where you are it's not down to the government. The construction industry, roads etc are and have always been allowed to continue with no restrictions. Point me in the direction of where I said the closures were down to the government.
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Why would construction stop in your area ?"Because it was impossible to maintain social distancing on site and in the office. Very limited working room, confined spaces, small rooms, safe walking/access footfall. Without the support of the office none of the planning, commercial or health and safety functions could be maintained. A number of the sites M was working on were closed, some for short periods until they could resolve this issues above, some for longer. Some areas of the sites were closed because they couldn't resolve the issues. Many of the projects are now months behind schedule. E | |||
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"I see it as necessary .. arguably even more necessary would be if people actually followed the rules . people here are going about things like its normal day .. and don't ask me how many people on the street have tradesmen in doing repairs and renovations. I thought everyone was supposed to stop working unless they were essential services? Getting a new patio is hardly essential, is it? especially when the tradesmen themselves are likely/ already claiming Self-employment grants and working on the sly cash in hand anyway.. boils my pee does that! especially when so many out there are struggling to even put food on the table bottom line as long as people keep trying to bend the rules and keep acting like children over getting vaccinated etc then we can expect much more restrictions and lockdowns in the future .. In the meantime I might sack my hard work and expense to get a degree and train to be a bricklayer instead! :/ The construction industry hasn't stopped. Much of it has stopped. E Not in my area it hasn't. I think the operative phrase there is "in your area". E If its stopped where you are it's not down to the government. The construction industry, roads etc are and have always been allowed to continue with no restrictions. Point me in the direction of where I said the closures were down to the government.
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Why would construction stop in your area ?
Because it was impossible to maintain social distancing on site and in the office. Very limited working room, confined spaces, small rooms, safe walking/access footfall.
Without the support of the office none of the planning, commercial or health and safety functions could be maintained.
A number of the sites M was working on were closed, some for short periods until they could resolve this issues above, some for longer. Some areas of the sites were closed because they couldn't resolve the issues.
Many of the projects are now months behind schedule.
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"I see it as necessary .. arguably even more necessary would be if people actually followed the rules . people here are going about things like its normal day .. and don't ask me how many people on the street have tradesmen in doing repairs and renovations. I thought everyone was supposed to stop working unless they were essential services? Getting a new patio is hardly essential, is it? especially when the tradesmen themselves are likely/ already claiming Self-employment grants and working on the sly cash in hand anyway.. boils my pee does that! especially when so many out there are struggling to even put food on the table bottom line as long as people keep trying to bend the rules and keep acting like children over getting vaccinated etc then we can expect much more restrictions and lockdowns in the future .. In the meantime I might sack my hard work and expense to get a degree and train to be a bricklayer instead! :/ The construction industry hasn't stopped. Much of it has stopped. E Not in my area it hasn't. I think the operative phrase there is "in your area". E If its stopped where you are it's not down to the government. The construction industry, roads etc are and have always been allowed to continue with no restrictions. Point me in the direction of where I said the closures were down to the government.
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Why would construction stop in your area ?
Because it was impossible to maintain social distancing on site and in the office. Very limited working room, confined spaces, small rooms, safe walking/access footfall.
Without the support of the office none of the planning, commercial or health and safety functions could be maintained.
A number of the sites M was working on were closed, some for short periods until they could resolve this issues above, some for longer. Some areas of the sites were closed because they couldn't resolve the issues.
Many of the projects are now months behind schedule.
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"I see it as necessary .. arguably even more necessary would be if people actually followed the rules . people here are going about things like its normal day .. and don't ask me how many people on the street have tradesmen in doing repairs and renovations. I thought everyone was supposed to stop working unless they were essential services? Getting a new patio is hardly essential, is it? especially when the tradesmen themselves are likely/ already claiming Self-employment grants and working on the sly cash in hand anyway.. boils my pee does that! especially when so many out there are struggling to even put food on the table bottom line as long as people keep trying to bend the rules and keep acting like children over getting vaccinated etc then we can expect much more restrictions and lockdowns in the future .. In the meantime I might sack my hard work and expense to get a degree and train to be a bricklayer instead! :/ The construction industry hasn't stopped. Much of it has stopped. E Not in my area it hasn't. I think the operative phrase there is "in your area". E If its stopped where you are it's not down to the government. The construction industry, roads etc are and have always been allowed to continue with no restrictions. Point me in the direction of where I said the closures were down to the government.
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Why would construction stop in your area ?
Because it was impossible to maintain social distancing on site and in the office. Very limited working room, confined spaces, small rooms, safe walking/access footfall.
Without the support of the office none of the planning, commercial or health and safety functions could be maintained.
A number of the sites M was working on were closed, some for short periods until they could resolve this issues above, some for longer. Some areas of the sites were closed because they couldn't resolve the issues.
Many of the projects are now months behind schedule.
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"I see it as necessary .. arguably even more necessary would be if people actually followed the rules . people here are going about things like its normal day .. and don't ask me how many people on the street have tradesmen in doing repairs and renovations. I thought everyone was supposed to stop working unless they were essential services? Getting a new patio is hardly essential, is it? especially when the tradesmen themselves are likely/ already claiming Self-employment grants and working on the sly cash in hand anyway.. boils my pee does that! especially when so many out there are struggling to even put food on the table bottom line as long as people keep trying to bend the rules and keep acting like children over getting vaccinated etc then we can expect much more restrictions and lockdowns in the future .. In the meantime I might sack my hard work and expense to get a degree and train to be a bricklayer instead! :/ The construction industry hasn't stopped. Much of it has stopped. E Not in my area it hasn't. I think the operative phrase there is "in your area". E If its stopped where you are it's not down to the government. The construction industry, roads etc are and have always been allowed to continue with no restrictions. Point me in the direction of where I said the closures were down to the government.
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Why would construction stop in your area ?
Because it was impossible to maintain social distancing on site and in the office. Very limited working room, confined spaces, small rooms, safe walking/access footfall.
Without the support of the office none of the planning, commercial or health and safety functions could be maintained.
A number of the sites M was working on were closed, some for short periods until they could resolve this issues above, some for longer. Some areas of the sites were closed because they couldn't resolve the issues.
Many of the projects are now months behind schedule.
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"I see it as necessary .. arguably even more necessary would be if people actually followed the rules . people here are going about things like its normal day .. and don't ask me how many people on the street have tradesmen in doing repairs and renovations. I thought everyone was supposed to stop working unless they were essential services? Getting a new patio is hardly essential, is it? especially when the tradesmen themselves are likely/ already claiming Self-employment grants and working on the sly cash in hand anyway.. boils my pee does that! especially when so many out there are struggling to even put food on the table bottom line as long as people keep trying to bend the rules and keep acting like children over getting vaccinated etc then we can expect much more restrictions and lockdowns in the future .. In the meantime I might sack my hard work and expense to get a degree and train to be a bricklayer instead! :/ The construction industry hasn't stopped. Much of it has stopped. E Not in my area it hasn't. I think the operative phrase there is "in your area". E If its stopped where you are it's not down to the government. The construction industry, roads etc are and have always been allowed to continue with no restrictions. Point me in the direction of where I said the closures were down to the government.
E
Why would construction stop in your area ?
Because it was impossible to maintain social distancing on site and in the office. Very limited working room, confined spaces, small rooms, safe walking/access footfall.
Without the support of the office none of the planning, commercial or health and safety functions could be maintained.
A number of the sites M was working on were closed, some for short periods until they could resolve this issues above, some for longer. Some areas of the sites were closed because they couldn't resolve the issues.
Many of the projects are now months behind schedule.
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Same happened to our boys
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"In northern Ireland they have the worst figures in Europe so their lockdown is an utter joke... zero compliance, Uk not much better, Ireland flying 2nd best results in Europe, so back open for xmas so long as they shut down the borders and keep all the rest out" What would all the irish lads that work in England do then? | |||
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"I see it as necessary .. arguably even more necessary would be if people actually followed the rules . people here are going about things like its normal day .. and don't ask me how many people on the street have tradesmen in doing repairs and renovations. I thought everyone was supposed to stop working unless they were essential services? Getting a new patio is hardly essential, is it? especially when the tradesmen themselves are likely/ already claiming Self-employment grants and working on the sly cash in hand anyway.. boils my pee does that! especially when so many out there are struggling to even put food on the table bottom line as long as people keep trying to bend the rules and keep acting like children over getting vaccinated etc then we can expect much more restrictions and lockdowns in the future .. In the meantime I might sack my hard work and expense to get a degree and train to be a bricklayer instead! :/ The construction industry hasn't stopped. Much of it has stopped. E Not in my area it hasn't. I think the operative phrase there is "in your area". E If its stopped where you are it's not down to the government. The construction industry, roads etc are and have always been allowed to continue with no restrictions. Point me in the direction of where I said the closures were down to the government.
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Why would construction stop in your area ?
Because it was impossible to maintain social distancing on site and in the office. Very limited working room, confined spaces, small rooms, safe walking/access footfall.
Without the support of the office none of the planning, commercial or health and safety functions could be maintained.
A number of the sites M was working on were closed, some for short periods until they could resolve this issues above, some for longer. Some areas of the sites were closed because they couldn't resolve the issues.
Many of the projects are now months behind schedule.
E
Same happened to our boys
It's been tough for M, he works in a very niche area of construction.
They're already talking about closing his sites down again, or at least reducing the on site staff and we're barely a week in to this lockdown.
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"I see it as necessary .. arguably even more necessary would be if people actually followed the rules . people here are going about things like its normal day .. and don't ask me how many people on the street have tradesmen in doing repairs and renovations. I thought everyone was supposed to stop working unless they were essential services? Getting a new patio is hardly essential, is it? especially when the tradesmen themselves are likely/ already claiming Self-employment grants and working on the sly cash in hand anyway.. boils my pee does that! especially when so many out there are struggling to even put food on the table bottom line as long as people keep trying to bend the rules and keep acting like children over getting vaccinated etc then we can expect much more restrictions and lockdowns in the future .. In the meantime I might sack my hard work and expense to get a degree and train to be a bricklayer instead! :/ The construction industry hasn't stopped. Much of it has stopped. E Not in my area it hasn't. I think the operative phrase there is "in your area". E If its stopped where you are it's not down to the government. The construction industry, roads etc are and have always been allowed to continue with no restrictions. Point me in the direction of where I said the closures were down to the government.
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Why would construction stop in your area ?
Because it was impossible to maintain social distancing on site and in the office. Very limited working room, confined spaces, small rooms, safe walking/access footfall.
Without the support of the office none of the planning, commercial or health and safety functions could be maintained.
A number of the sites M was working on were closed, some for short periods until they could resolve this issues above, some for longer. Some areas of the sites were closed because they couldn't resolve the issues.
Many of the projects are now months behind schedule.
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That was in the proper lockdown.
In this one I have not heard of 1 site closed .
Not 1."Because you've never heard of it, it isn't happening? E | |||
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"I see it as necessary .. arguably even more necessary would be if people actually followed the rules . people here are going about things like its normal day .. and don't ask me how many people on the street have tradesmen in doing repairs and renovations. I thought everyone was supposed to stop working unless they were essential services? Getting a new patio is hardly essential, is it? especially when the tradesmen themselves are likely/ already claiming Self-employment grants and working on the sly cash in hand anyway.. boils my pee does that! especially when so many out there are struggling to even put food on the table bottom line as long as people keep trying to bend the rules and keep acting like children over getting vaccinated etc then we can expect much more restrictions and lockdowns in the future .. In the meantime I might sack my hard work and expense to get a degree and train to be a bricklayer instead! :/ The construction industry hasn't stopped. Much of it has stopped. E Not in my area it hasn't. I think the operative phrase there is "in your area". E If its stopped where you are it's not down to the government. The construction industry, roads etc are and have always been allowed to continue with no restrictions. Point me in the direction of where I said the closures were down to the government.
E
Why would construction stop in your area ?
Because it was impossible to maintain social distancing on site and in the office. Very limited working room, confined spaces, small rooms, safe walking/access footfall.
Without the support of the office none of the planning, commercial or health and safety functions could be maintained.
A number of the sites M was working on were closed, some for short periods until they could resolve this issues above, some for longer. Some areas of the sites were closed because they couldn't resolve the issues.
Many of the projects are now months behind schedule.
E
Same happened to our boys
It's been tough for M, he works in a very niche area of construction.
They're already talking about closing his sites down again, or at least reducing the on site staff and we're barely a week in to this lockdown.
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"I see it as necessary .. arguably even more necessary would be if people actually followed the rules . people here are going about things like its normal day .. and don't ask me how many people on the street have tradesmen in doing repairs and renovations. I thought everyone was supposed to stop working unless they were essential services? Getting a new patio is hardly essential, is it? especially when the tradesmen themselves are likely/ already claiming Self-employment grants and working on the sly cash in hand anyway.. boils my pee does that! especially when so many out there are struggling to even put food on the table bottom line as long as people keep trying to bend the rules and keep acting like children over getting vaccinated etc then we can expect much more restrictions and lockdowns in the future .. In the meantime I might sack my hard work and expense to get a degree and train to be a bricklayer instead! :/ The construction industry hasn't stopped. Much of it has stopped. E Not in my area it hasn't. I think the operative phrase there is "in your area". E If its stopped where you are it's not down to the government. The construction industry, roads etc are and have always been allowed to continue with no restrictions. Point me in the direction of where I said the closures were down to the government.
E
Why would construction stop in your area ?
Because it was impossible to maintain social distancing on site and in the office. Very limited working room, confined spaces, small rooms, safe walking/access footfall.
Without the support of the office none of the planning, commercial or health and safety functions could be maintained.
A number of the sites M was working on were closed, some for short periods until they could resolve this issues above, some for longer. Some areas of the sites were closed because they couldn't resolve the issues.
Many of the projects are now months behind schedule.
E
That was in the proper lockdown.
In this one I have not heard of 1 site closed .
Not 1.
Because you've never heard of it, it isn't happening?
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"I see it as necessary .. arguably even more necessary would be if people actually followed the rules . people here are going about things like its normal day .. and don't ask me how many people on the street have tradesmen in doing repairs and renovations. I thought everyone was supposed to stop working unless they were essential services? Getting a new patio is hardly essential, is it? especially when the tradesmen themselves are likely/ already claiming Self-employment grants and working on the sly cash in hand anyway.. boils my pee does that! especially when so many out there are struggling to even put food on the table bottom line as long as people keep trying to bend the rules and keep acting like children over getting vaccinated etc then we can expect much more restrictions and lockdowns in the future .. In the meantime I might sack my hard work and expense to get a degree and train to be a bricklayer instead! :/ The construction industry hasn't stopped. Much of it has stopped. E Not in my area it hasn't. I think the operative phrase there is "in your area". E If its stopped where you are it's not down to the government. The construction industry, roads etc are and have always been allowed to continue with no restrictions. Point me in the direction of where I said the closures were down to the government.
E
Why would construction stop in your area ?
Because it was impossible to maintain social distancing on site and in the office. Very limited working room, confined spaces, small rooms, safe walking/access footfall.
Without the support of the office none of the planning, commercial or health and safety functions could be maintained.
A number of the sites M was working on were closed, some for short periods until they could resolve this issues above, some for longer. Some areas of the sites were closed because they couldn't resolve the issues.
Many of the projects are now months behind schedule.
E
That was in the proper lockdown.
In this one I have not heard of 1 site closed .
Not 1.
Because you've never heard of it, it isn't happening?
E
Not this time around anyway.
The things you said about issues being resolved should have still been in place from the original lockdown.
Did they revert back to pre covid rules on site in between lockdowns?"They've had to maintain the on site restrictions, so some areas of the sites remain closed, many of them are still months behind. E | |||
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"I see it as necessary .. arguably even more necessary would be if people actually followed the rules . people here are going about things like its normal day .. and don't ask me how many people on the street have tradesmen in doing repairs and renovations. I thought everyone was supposed to stop working unless they were essential services? Getting a new patio is hardly essential, is it? especially when the tradesmen themselves are likely/ already claiming Self-employment grants and working on the sly cash in hand anyway.. boils my pee does that! especially when so many out there are struggling to even put food on the table bottom line as long as people keep trying to bend the rules and keep acting like children over getting vaccinated etc then we can expect much more restrictions and lockdowns in the future .. In the meantime I might sack my hard work and expense to get a degree and train to be a bricklayer instead! :/ The construction industry hasn't stopped. Much of it has stopped. E Not in my area it hasn't. I think the operative phrase there is "in your area". E If its stopped where you are it's not down to the government. The construction industry, roads etc are and have always been allowed to continue with no restrictions. Point me in the direction of where I said the closures were down to the government.
E
Why would construction stop in your area ?
Because it was impossible to maintain social distancing on site and in the office. Very limited working room, confined spaces, small rooms, safe walking/access footfall.
Without the support of the office none of the planning, commercial or health and safety functions could be maintained.
A number of the sites M was working on were closed, some for short periods until they could resolve this issues above, some for longer. Some areas of the sites were closed because they couldn't resolve the issues.
Many of the projects are now months behind schedule.
E
That was in the proper lockdown.
In this one I have not heard of 1 site closed .
Not 1.
Because you've never heard of it, it isn't happening?
E
Not this time around anyway.
The things you said about issues being resolved should have still been in place from the original lockdown.
Did they revert back to pre covid rules on site in between lockdowns?
They've had to maintain the on site restrictions, so some areas of the sites remain closed, many of them are still months behind.
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"I see it as necessary .. arguably even more necessary would be if people actually followed the rules . people here are going about things like its normal day .. and don't ask me how many people on the street have tradesmen in doing repairs and renovations. I thought everyone was supposed to stop working unless they were essential services? Getting a new patio is hardly essential, is it? especially when the tradesmen themselves are likely/ already claiming Self-employment grants and working on the sly cash in hand anyway.. boils my pee does that! especially when so many out there are struggling to even put food on the table bottom line as long as people keep trying to bend the rules and keep acting like children over getting vaccinated etc then we can expect much more restrictions and lockdowns in the future .. In the meantime I might sack my hard work and expense to get a degree and train to be a bricklayer instead! :/ The construction industry hasn't stopped. Much of it has stopped. E Not in my area it hasn't. I think the operative phrase there is "in your area". E If its stopped where you are it's not down to the government. The construction industry, roads etc are and have always been allowed to continue with no restrictions. Point me in the direction of where I said the closures were down to the government.
E
Why would construction stop in your area ?
Because it was impossible to maintain social distancing on site and in the office. Very limited working room, confined spaces, small rooms, safe walking/access footfall.
Without the support of the office none of the planning, commercial or health and safety functions could be maintained.
A number of the sites M was working on were closed, some for short periods until they could resolve this issues above, some for longer. Some areas of the sites were closed because they couldn't resolve the issues.
Many of the projects are now months behind schedule.
E
That was in the proper lockdown.
In this one I have not heard of 1 site closed .
Not 1.
Because you've never heard of it, it isn't happening?
E
Not this time around anyway.
The things you said about issues being resolved should have still been in place from the original lockdown.
Did they revert back to pre covid rules on site in between lockdowns?
They've had to maintain the on site restrictions, so some areas of the sites remain closed, many of them are still months behind.
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What kind of work on what kind of site if I may ask ?
I agree projects are months behind from the spring lockdown.
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"I see it as necessary .. arguably even more necessary would be if people actually followed the rules . people here are going about things like its normal day .. and don't ask me how many people on the street have tradesmen in doing repairs and renovations. I thought everyone was supposed to stop working unless they were essential services? Getting a new patio is hardly essential, is it? especially when the tradesmen themselves are likely/ already claiming Self-employment grants and working on the sly cash in hand anyway.. boils my pee does that! especially when so many out there are struggling to even put food on the table bottom line as long as people keep trying to bend the rules and keep acting like children over getting vaccinated etc then we can expect much more restrictions and lockdowns in the future .. In the meantime I might sack my hard work and expense to get a degree and train to be a bricklayer instead! :/ The construction industry hasn't stopped. Much of it has stopped. E Not in my area it hasn't. I think the operative phrase there is "in your area". E If its stopped where you are it's not down to the government. The construction industry, roads etc are and have always been allowed to continue with no restrictions. Point me in the direction of where I said the closures were down to the government.
E
Why would construction stop in your area ?
Because it was impossible to maintain social distancing on site and in the office. Very limited working room, confined spaces, small rooms, safe walking/access footfall.
Without the support of the office none of the planning, commercial or health and safety functions could be maintained.
A number of the sites M was working on were closed, some for short periods until they could resolve this issues above, some for longer. Some areas of the sites were closed because they couldn't resolve the issues.
Many of the projects are now months behind schedule.
E
That was in the proper lockdown.
In this one I have not heard of 1 site closed .
Not 1.
Because you've never heard of it, it isn't happening?
E
Not this time around anyway.
The things you said about issues being resolved should have still been in place from the original lockdown.
Did they revert back to pre covid rules on site in between lockdowns?
They've had to maintain the on site restrictions, so some areas of the sites remain closed, many of them are still months behind.
E
What kind of work on what kind of site if I may ask ?
I agree projects are months behind from the spring lockdown.
Why do you ask?
E"Just wondering I personally know hundreds of lads from all over the country in my groups and not one has said their site has been stopped. Quite the opposite actually with offers of work elsewhere on a daily basis. | |||
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"I see it as necessary .. arguably even more necessary would be if people actually followed the rules . people here are going about things like its normal day .. and don't ask me how many people on the street have tradesmen in doing repairs and renovations. I thought everyone was supposed to stop working unless they were essential services? Getting a new patio is hardly essential, is it? especially when the tradesmen themselves are likely/ already claiming Self-employment grants and working on the sly cash in hand anyway.. boils my pee does that! especially when so many out there are struggling to even put food on the table bottom line as long as people keep trying to bend the rules and keep acting like children over getting vaccinated etc then we can expect much more restrictions and lockdowns in the future .. In the meantime I might sack my hard work and expense to get a degree and train to be a bricklayer instead! :/ The construction industry hasn't stopped. Much of it has stopped. E Not in my area it hasn't. I think the operative phrase there is "in your area". E If its stopped where you are it's not down to the government. The construction industry, roads etc are and have always been allowed to continue with no restrictions. Point me in the direction of where I said the closures were down to the government.
E
Why would construction stop in your area ?
Because it was impossible to maintain social distancing on site and in the office. Very limited working room, confined spaces, small rooms, safe walking/access footfall.
Without the support of the office none of the planning, commercial or health and safety functions could be maintained.
A number of the sites M was working on were closed, some for short periods until they could resolve this issues above, some for longer. Some areas of the sites were closed because they couldn't resolve the issues.
Many of the projects are now months behind schedule.
E
That was in the proper lockdown.
In this one I have not heard of 1 site closed .
Not 1.
Because you've never heard of it, it isn't happening?
E
Not this time around anyway.
The things you said about issues being resolved should have still been in place from the original lockdown.
Did they revert back to pre covid rules on site in between lockdowns?
They've had to maintain the on site restrictions, so some areas of the sites remain closed, many of them are still months behind.
E
What kind of work on what kind of site if I may ask ?
I agree projects are months behind from the spring lockdown.
Why do you ask?
E
Just wondering I personally know hundreds of lads from all over the country in my groups and not one has said their site has been stopped.
Quite the opposite actually with offers of work elsewhere on a daily basis."Ok, I'm sorry. I'm telling lies.
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" Business and life Ruined.Still no prophylactic solution apart from mask and social distancing. What do you think." Prophylactic solutions abound, so your post is based on nonsense. The lockdown is a part of this solution. Sustaining health helps to protect the economy. Have you written to your MP with your feedback? | |||
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"The building industry did shut down at the beginning of the first lockdown, two of my stepsons are in it, some opened up after about three weeks and they have been busy ever since. It has never shut down FACT . The construction industry struggled during the first lockdown due to lack of materials initially but never has closed." Cant speak for your area but here it did, mainly due to companies being worried about being sued. Stepson one is a scaffolder, he was off for three weeks before he went back second is a dry liner self employed, all the sites his main customer contracts to kicked everyone off for three weeks then allowed only one person in a house at a time, materials were an issue but less so now | |||
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"I see it as necessary .. arguably even more necessary would be if people actually followed the rules . people here are going about things like its normal day .. and don't ask me how many people on the street have tradesmen in doing repairs and renovations. I thought everyone was supposed to stop working unless they were essential services? Getting a new patio is hardly essential, is it? especially when the tradesmen themselves are likely/ already claiming Self-employment grants and working on the sly cash in hand anyway.. boils my pee does that! especially when so many out there are struggling to even put food on the table bottom line as long as people keep trying to bend the rules and keep acting like children over getting vaccinated etc then we can expect much more restrictions and lockdowns in the future .. In the meantime I might sack my hard work and expense to get a degree and train to be a bricklayer instead! :/ The construction industry hasn't stopped. Much of it has stopped. E Not in my area it hasn't. I think the operative phrase there is "in your area". E If its stopped where you are it's not down to the government. The construction industry, roads etc are and have always been allowed to continue with no restrictions. Point me in the direction of where I said the closures were down to the government.
E
Why would construction stop in your area ?
Because it was impossible to maintain social distancing on site and in the office. Very limited working room, confined spaces, small rooms, safe walking/access footfall.
Without the support of the office none of the planning, commercial or health and safety functions could be maintained.
A number of the sites M was working on were closed, some for short periods until they could resolve this issues above, some for longer. Some areas of the sites were closed because they couldn't resolve the issues.
Many of the projects are now months behind schedule.
E
That was in the proper lockdown.
In this one I have not heard of 1 site closed .
Not 1.
Because you've never heard of it, it isn't happening?
E
Not this time around anyway.
The things you said about issues being resolved should have still been in place from the original lockdown.
Did they revert back to pre covid rules on site in between lockdowns?
They've had to maintain the on site restrictions, so some areas of the sites remain closed, many of them are still months behind.
E
What kind of work on what kind of site if I may ask ?
I agree projects are months behind from the spring lockdown.
Why do you ask?
E
Just wondering I personally know hundreds of lads from all over the country in my groups and not one has said their site has been stopped.
Quite the opposite actually with offers of work elsewhere on a daily basis.
Ok, I'm sorry. I'm telling lies.
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"The building industry did shut down at the beginning of the first lockdown, two of my stepsons are in it, some opened up after about three weeks and they have been busy ever since. It has never shut down FACT . The construction industry struggled during the first lockdown due to lack of materials initially but never has closed. Cant speak for your area but here it did, mainly due to companies being worried about being sued. Stepson one is a scaffolder, he was off for three weeks before he went back second is a dry liner self employed, all the sites his main customer contracts to kicked everyone off for three weeks then allowed only one person in a house at a time, materials were an issue but less so now " Someome will be along in a minute to tell you they know plenty of people in construction and not one of them are experiencing this. E | |||
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"The building industry did shut down at the beginning of the first lockdown, two of my stepsons are in it, some opened up after about three weeks and they have been busy ever since. It has never shut down FACT . The construction industry struggled during the first lockdown due to lack of materials initially but never has closed. Cant speak for your area but here it did, mainly due to companies being worried about being sued. Stepson one is a scaffolder, he was off for three weeks before he went back second is a dry liner self employed, all the sites his main customer contracts to kicked everyone off for three weeks then allowed only one person in a house at a time, materials were an issue but less so now Someome will be along in a minute to tell you they know plenty of people in construction and not one of them are experiencing this. E" That's from the first lockdown. Jesus read it properly before you quote it. I was off for 4 weeks in the first lockdown. You are talking about now. | |||
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" Business and life Ruined.Still no prophylactic solution apart from mask and social distancing. What do you think. Prophylactic solutions abound, so your post is based on nonsense. The lockdown is a part of this solution. Sustaining health helps to protect the economy. Have you written to your MP with your feedback? " If my post is baseless. How come the second wave of infection is so high. The first lock-down was highly supervised compare to this. Hope the government succeed. | |||
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"In northern Ireland they have the worst figures in Europe so their lockdown is an utter joke... zero compliance, Uk not much better, Ireland flying 2nd best results in Europe, so back open for xmas so long as they shut down the borders and keep all the rest out What would all the irish lads that work in England do then?" Stay the hell out of Ireland! not wanted back | |||
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"In northern Ireland they have the worst figures in Europe so their lockdown is an utter joke... zero compliance, Uk not much better, Ireland flying 2nd best results in Europe, so back open for xmas so long as they shut down the borders and keep all the rest out What would all the irish lads that work in England do then? Stay the hell out of Ireland! not wanted back" I have never been and have no intention of ever going. | |||
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"I see it as necessary .. arguably even more necessary would be if people actually followed the rules . people here are going about things like its normal day .. and don't ask me how many people on the street have tradesmen in doing repairs and renovations. I thought everyone was supposed to stop working unless they were essential services? Getting a new patio is hardly essential, is it? especially when the tradesmen themselves are likely/ already claiming Self-employment grants and working on the sly cash in hand anyway.. boils my pee does that! especially when so many out there are struggling to even put food on the table bottom line as long as people keep trying to bend the rules and keep acting like children over getting vaccinated etc then we can expect much more restrictions and lockdowns in the future .. In the meantime I might sack my hard work and expense to get a degree and train to be a bricklayer instead! :/ The construction industry hasn't stopped. Much of it has stopped. E Not in my area it hasn't. I think the operative phrase there is "in your area". E If its stopped where you are it's not down to the government. The construction industry, roads etc are and have always been allowed to continue with no restrictions. Point me in the direction of where I said the closures were down to the government.
E
Why would construction stop in your area ?
Because it was impossible to maintain social distancing on site and in the office. Very limited working room, confined spaces, small rooms, safe walking/access footfall.
Without the support of the office none of the planning, commercial or health and safety functions could be maintained.
A number of the sites M was working on were closed, some for short periods until they could resolve this issues above, some for longer. Some areas of the sites were closed because they couldn't resolve the issues.
Many of the projects are now months behind schedule.
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Same happened to our boys
It's been tough for M, he works in a very niche area of construction.
They're already talking about closing his sites down again, or at least reducing the on site staff and we're barely a week in to this lockdown.
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"I see it as necessary .. arguably even more necessary would be if people actually followed the rules . people here are going about things like its normal day .. and don't ask me how many people on the street have tradesmen in doing repairs and renovations. I thought everyone was supposed to stop working unless they were essential services? Getting a new patio is hardly essential, is it? especially when the tradesmen themselves are likely/ already claiming Self-employment grants and working on the sly cash in hand anyway.. boils my pee does that! especially when so many out there are struggling to even put food on the table bottom line as long as people keep trying to bend the rules and keep acting like children over getting vaccinated etc then we can expect much more restrictions and lockdowns in the future .. In the meantime I might sack my hard work and expense to get a degree and train to be a bricklayer instead! :/ The construction industry hasn't stopped. Much of it has stopped. E Not in my area it hasn't. I think the operative phrase there is "in your area". E If its stopped where you are it's not down to the government. The construction industry, roads etc are and have always been allowed to continue with no restrictions. Point me in the direction of where I said the closures were down to the government.
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Why would construction stop in your area ?
Because it was impossible to maintain social distancing on site and in the office. Very limited working room, confined spaces, small rooms, safe walking/access footfall.
Without the support of the office none of the planning, commercial or health and safety functions could be maintained.
A number of the sites M was working on were closed, some for short periods until they could resolve this issues above, some for longer. Some areas of the sites were closed because they couldn't resolve the issues.
Many of the projects are now months behind schedule.
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That was in the proper lockdown.
In this one I have not heard of 1 site closed .
Not 1.
Because you've never heard of it, it isn't happening?
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Not this time around anyway.
The things you said about issues being resolved should have still been in place from the original lockdown.
Did they revert back to pre covid rules on site in between lockdowns?
They've had to maintain the on site restrictions, so some areas of the sites remain closed, many of them are still months behind.
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What kind of work on what kind of site if I may ask ?
I agree projects are months behind from the spring lockdown.
Why do you ask?
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Just wondering I personally know hundreds of lads from all over the country in my groups and not one has said their site has been stopped.
Quite the opposite actually with offers of work elsewhere on a daily basis.
Ok, I'm sorry. I'm telling lies.
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"Oh stop being so doom and gloom... It's only a virus, it's not like a war. Yes, people have lost their livlihoods and people have lost their lives. This is very sad and very unfortunate but completely outside the control of any state, nation or political body.. It's a natural event that has occurred during our lifetime and fingers crossed, won't happen again. But unlike a war which does inflict death and financial loss, there is no infrastructure to rebuild. When it's over, life will bounce back rapidly. New businesses will start up to fill the void left by those that have folded during this pandemic. Our theatres are still there, the cinemas, restaurants, pubs, sports venues... they are all still intact. This isn't final, it's not the end. It's a pause. So chin up, worse things happen at see.. " Thanks.. that’s a very ‘pausitive’ statement | |||
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"Oh stop being so doom and gloom... It's only a virus, it's not like a war. Yes, people have lost their livlihoods and people have lost their lives. This is very sad and very unfortunate but completely outside the control of any state, nation or political body.. It's a natural event that has occurred during our lifetime and fingers crossed, won't happen again. But unlike a war which does inflict death and financial loss, there is no infrastructure to rebuild. When it's over, life will bounce back rapidly. New businesses will start up to fill the void left by those that have folded during this pandemic. Our theatres are still there, the cinemas, restaurants, pubs, sports venues... they are all still intact. This isn't final, it's not the end. It's a pause. So chin up, worse things happen at see.. Thanks.. that’s a very ‘pausitive’ statement " couldnt dissagee more, loads of people have been put out of work, with no real reason that i can see, its not like spanish flue, and we have modern medicine to deal with it, but the effect will be felt for generations, we all know deep down lockdowns dont work, of course they do while in lockdown, but open the gates and its back, this is something we are going to have to live with, cant see it going anywhere, the odd vaccene isnt going to stop it either, its a different world and we have to get used to that, and today is the perfect day to bring this up, and if you need to ask why then i pity you | |||
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"I see it as necessary .. arguably even more necessary would be if people actually followed the rules . people here are going about things like its normal day .. and don't ask me how many people on the street have tradesmen in doing repairs and renovations. I thought everyone was supposed to stop working unless they were essential services? Getting a new patio is hardly essential, is it? especially when the tradesmen themselves are likely/ already claiming Self-employment grants and working on the sly cash in hand anyway.. boils my pee does that! especially when so many out there are struggling to even put food on the table bottom line as long as people keep trying to bend the rules and keep acting like children over getting vaccinated etc then we can expect much more restrictions and lockdowns in the future .. In the meantime I might sack my hard work and expense to get a degree and train to be a bricklayer instead! :/ The construction industry hasn't stopped. Much of it has stopped. E Not in my area it hasn't. I think the operative phrase there is "in your area". E If its stopped where you are it's not down to the government. The construction industry, roads etc are and have always been allowed to continue with no restrictions. Point me in the direction of where I said the closures were down to the government.
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"Makes me mad when people go around calling this "Lockdown 2.0". It's nothing of the kind, only pubs/bars, cafes and resteraunts along with gyms are closed. 95% of shops are open, folks are going to work as normal, roads are as busy as ever, and the virus breeding grounds otherwise know as schools and Universities are fully open. This recent spike only started when the schools/Uni's went back. Folks saying "We can't shut schools down" are talking nonsense, they all close for 6 weeks in the summer, nobody moans then! Teaching online works well, after all, it's 2020 not 1950." 95% of shops are open ...really! I dont think so . | |||
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" Business and life Ruined.Still no prophylactic solution apart from mask and social distancing. What do you think." You posted this 23 hrs ago. 12 hrs ago figures showed a plateau of infections over the past 3 days right across the country. Manchester which has been the talk of the country and apparently tier 3 was a waste of time and resources by so many on here, has shown that it seems to have worked as intended. I could go on with Wales in a week or two etc etc.... Come Feb/ March if going by other countries infection/deaths data that were hit by the virus in Oct/Nov, we may be seeing similar data here, this is without a vaccine too. So take your Doomsday mentality elsewhere and be a bit more positive, this isn't going on forever as you imply. | |||
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" couldnt dissagee more, loads of people have been put out of work, with no real reason that i can see, its not like spanish flue, and we have modern medicine to deal with it, but the effect will be felt for generations, we all know deep down lockdowns dont work, of course they do while in lockdown, but open the gates and its back, this is something we are going to have to live with, cant see it going anywhere, the odd vaccene isnt going to stop it either, its a different world and we have to get used to that, and today is the perfect day to bring this up, and if you need to ask why then i pity you" ——————————————— *“...... loads of people have been put out of work.....”* Is that something new? Loads of people are put out of work when there is a recession, war, earthquake, flood, tsunami & other natural disasters. The effect of these mishaps are sometimes felt for generations, so it’s nothing new. Jobs can be lost ...but.....they can be regained ; whereas lives lost in the pandemic cannot be regained. ————————————- *“....... we all know deep down lockdowns dont work....”* That’s not true. Lockdowns work if done properly. Lockdowns slow the rate of transmission which in turn reduces hospitalisations, deaths & long covid sufferers. It prevents our health service from becoming overwhelmed which could potentially lead to deaths from other illnesses because people are unable get access to treatment. Lockdown is not meant to be a long term strategy, but as a temporary measure it is useful in preventing our health services from becoming overwhelmed. The WHO supports lockdowns in such scenario . Almost every country across the globe has had to introduce some form of lockdown. Even Sweden who were initially reluctant to go into lockdown, have changed their strategy, and now introducing local lockdowns in some of their cities. —————————————— *”.... cant see it going anywhere, the odd vaccene isnt going to stop it either.....”* A vaccine is not meant to stop it, just as the flu vaccine has not stopped the flu. But a vaccine can reduce the amount of people who fall sick, reduce the need for hospitalisation, and reduce the amount of people who die from it. So an effective vaccine for covid should be seen as good news. It’s one of the ways we can get out of the lockdowns you complain about. We will not ‘learn to live with it’ by allowing the virus to rip through society unchecked. Restrictions will continue to be in place until we have some other control measure :- like a vaccine, effective treatments (like Dexamethasone), effective track & trace, effective quarantine for overseas visitors etc. | |||
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"Those who say the lockdowns are more devastating than the virus obviously have little value on life and on what really matters in life. There are half a million people who will never walk the streets again, will not share Christmas with their loved ones, children, grandchildren. They will not hold hands with their partner, will not enjoy another day and no future hope. Their life has been taken away, no more dreams, no more hopes. Then there are those who are left behind without their loved one. Their world has irreversible been changed. Life cannot be replaced or regained. Yes the economy is hit, businesses have been lost, jobs have gone. All these things can be replaced, they may not be the same but nevertheless there has been huge financial help to keep and save most. There are many countries where the people have not had that luxury, their health care system never coped even if they could afford to avail of it. Just like any past economic crash, we will rise again, the pattern repeats itself. The greatest lost for those who are left behind is the life lost and the void that leaves behind not the economy." Tell that to those who due to the economic downturn are forced from poverty into starvation. WFP predicted the possibility of an additional death toll due to starvation of up to 300,000 deaths daily back at the end of May, due to the food chain being disrupted with the sickness and disruption in funding. Even if that's well exaggerated by tenfold, as strong global economies impose lockdowns and close certain business sectors again, and probably will be for the foreseeable future, you're still talking 30,000 people in third world countries starving DAILY and in ADDITION because of these strong economic nations enforcing lockdowns causing economic devastation in their own countries as well as a ripple effect worldwide. Tell that to those who have lost their jobs, were already struggling financially, are not only facing mortgage or rent arrears, but have no power to heat homes for themselves and their families, as they're cut off (330,000 households in Germany living without power as a norm, with a population of 80 million, I'm not sure of UK statistics), don't know where they're getting their next meal for themselves or their children. Tell that to those who feel they have no other way out bar to take their lives, a statistic we probably won't see for a good while. Tell that to those who are in abusive relationships, having to deal with the emotional trauma of now possibly being at home with a partner who lost job or is working from home. Tell that to those who were too terrified to get medical help when they needed it most or even now still need it, because they thought they might contract the virus, hence having died or now face a much shorter life because of delayed diagnosis. It's well and good when someone is in a relatively stable economic situation, with a roof over their head, food on the table, a supportive family, friend and work environment, with the better part of their life still ahead possibly and hopefully in good physical and mental health. BUT, take any one of those aspects away, or possibly more, and life starts looking bleaker and bleaker. So for anyone to say those against lockdowns or lockdowns being more devastating than the virus have little or no value on life or don't know what matters in life, are in fact those who are quite possibly looking at the bigger picture long-term. The list of collateral damages and deaths goes on and on... Check out BBC future, why most Covid deaths won't be from the virus. Check out ncbh, mortality and psychological burden caused by response to Covid 19. These are hypotheses. I do not believe in conspiracy theories. I do believe that the situation with the virus has been completely thrown out of proportion. I believe the measures imposed are disproportionate to the danger/risk of the situation. I believe in the long run, the collateral damage with lives lost not because of the virus, the mental health of a population, the economic health of a population and the impact of distance and remote learning on the education of our younger generation will by far outweigh the lives that may be saved by the measures imposed. Unfortunately we will probably never know because you would have to be able to actually live different approaches for an extended period of time. | |||
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"Makes me mad when people go around calling this "Lockdown 2.0". It's nothing of the kind, only pubs/bars, cafes and resteraunts along with gyms are closed. 95% of shops are open, folks are going to work as normal, roads are as busy as ever, and the virus breeding grounds otherwise know as schools and Universities are fully open. This recent spike only started when the schools/Uni's went back. Folks saying "We can't shut schools down" are talking nonsense, they all close for 6 weeks in the summer, nobody moans then! Teaching online works well, after all, it's 2020 not 1950. 95% of shops are open ...really! I dont think so ." Yes, really! In the town where I work, nearly every single shop is open, even places like Costa and Neros. | |||
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"Furlough has been extended until March, if they aren't planning more lockdowns after December they would have no reason to do this. I think we will have another one in January or February. " That's if we aren't still in this one! | |||
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"Makes me mad when people go around calling this "Lockdown 2.0". It's nothing of the kind, only pubs/bars, cafes and resteraunts along with gyms are closed. 95% of shops are open, folks are going to work as normal, roads are as busy as ever, and the virus breeding grounds otherwise know as schools and Universities are fully open. This recent spike only started when the schools/Uni's went back. Folks saying "We can't shut schools down" are talking nonsense, they all close for 6 weeks in the summer, nobody moans then! Teaching online works well, after all, it's 2020 not 1950. 95% of shops are open ...really! I dont think so . Yes, really! In the town where I work, nearly every single shop is open, even places like Costa and Neros." Coffee shops are open for takeaways | |||
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"Furlough has been extended until March, if they aren't planning more lockdowns after December they would have no reason to do this. I think we will have another one in January or February. That's if we aren't still in this one!" This is very true, they can extend it indefinately if they choose to. | |||
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"The modern world we live in will be different going forward. Those countries that have handled this better are those that dealt with MERS, SARS, Ebola. This virus is not nice, but as viruses go this one is a softy. The next one, and their will be one, could be more deadly. Those that don't take this virus seriously now, will do the same with the next one, and it will soon remove them from the equation. " I hope we learn from this  | |||
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"Furlough has been extended until March, if they aren't planning more lockdowns after December they would have no reason to do this. I think we will have another one in January or February. " Yes me too | |||
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"Furlough has been extended until March, if they aren't planning more lockdowns after December they would have no reason to do this. I think we will have another one in January or February. Yes me too " The problem with people is that they have free will and are by nature bloody stupid. Despite all the pleas by the government to act responsible they will still act like absolute shits. Take Lockdown MK1, before it hit us the size of the threat to the health of the nation was still being examined and it didn't look good, as a preventative measure the government asked the people to self idolate, and practice social distancing. Instead they carried on as usual doing exactly the opposite and the virus spread exponentially across the country. The government introduced a social distancing regulation, which resulted in 80,000 fined for breaking it, and the police admit that they probably only caught around 10% of the rule breakers. To encourage people to stop the spread of the virus the Furlough scheme was introduced, unscrupulous employers harassed their employees back into work and had the U.K.government pay them 80% of the wage bill for employees who never stopped working. We had teenagers go on holiday to Zante and instead of isolating themselves when they returned they went to parties with friends and hung out in their houses turning 19 new cases into 200+. There was a case where the police were called to a party in a house in the Midlands, the adults had gone away for the weekend, so their children threw a party, 50 teenagers and young adults all packed into A 3 bed semi detached house. A review of the current system and it's consequences showed that the population of the UK cannot be trusted to do the right thing. Those demonstrating against the lockdown and breaking the social distancing regulations resulted in around 10% of those who attended catching the virus and spreading it further afield. Now there's been a claimed breakthrough and a potential vaccine has been tested and proven to work in 90% of case's. But the population of the UK is 66 million so 6.6 million people are still at risk, and it's a vaccine against catching it, so its not of any use to anyone who has actually caught it slreu. But that fact is missed by the Covidiots and they'll be out and about spreading the virus thinking that "We have an antidote so we can forget the rules" That's why the furlong scheme and possible lockdown restrictions will continue into 2021, stupid irresponsible people. I am party to a few more facts and details about the virus and government policies to combat it due to my family. My mother lost her fight against a viral infection in her remaining lung (she had the other removed because of cancer 12 months previously)in February, my father is shielding because he has leukaemia. My brother is a Virologist/microbiologist and has been part of the medical research team at Manchester medical school since the Noughties and told me that it's the worse virus he has ever seen, his description is it doesn't look natural, it looks like it was deliberately created. My wife (we're separated) was diagnosed with the covid-19 virus last week, she is in paediatrics in Manchester; our son unknowingly caught it and has passed it on to me (I got the news this morning). | |||
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" Business and life Ruined.Still no prophylactic solution apart from mask and social distancing. What do you think.It is life at the ment and it will get worse so exept it not worth the risk and not fair on others. If people obeyed rules there would be no need for lockdown. We have lockdown because so many are ignorant and selfish.They cause the lockdown not the government or sage,look to yourself" What makes me sad is that the ‘we’re all in it together’ attitude we had a the beginning has been totally dissipated and it’s become a blame game! 
When the government opened retail in June there was no spike in cases - they were between 400-800 per day UK wide. When they opened gyms, pubs, restaurants and hotels etc that number went up to about 1100 and settled there - still not significant.
The number rose exponentially when schools, colleges and universities re-opened.
It WASN’T because a tiny minority were gathering in groups of more than 6.
It WASN’T because a tiny minority of young people (who seem to have been demonised in recent months) we’re having illegal raves. (And if more efforts had been made to give them as near normal a youth as possible - I doubt there’d be a demand)
Covid happened in my daughter’s school several weeks ago. It started with one pupil, spread to others - and then their families.
This is happening all over the country - and this is why there’s been a huge spike in cases.
The government insisted that all 1000 pupils in my daughter’s school had to return in September. There is no safe way to ‘bubble’ 1000 children - particularly in the colder months when outdoor teaching isn’t an option.
Things could have been done differently - and still could.
The economy (which wasn’t responsible for the increase in cases) could have kept moving - and producing revenue (particularly at this - the busiest time of year for retail and a vital time for hospitality).
That money could have provided broadband for families with school age children that don’t have it - schools could have been provided with laptops to loan to those who don’t have them to enable them to learn remotely - teachers could be better trained to teach remotely. Each child could return to school in small, socially distanced groups to study with teachers the areas they’re struggling on - and practical lessons.
That way society could run effectively, people could work and keep their jobs and kids education wouldn’t suffer (my daughter is in year 11 and she’s had to self isolate 3 times this term already - it’s simply not working!)
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" Business and life Ruined.Still no prophylactic solution apart from mask and social distancing. What do you think.It is life at the ment and it will get worse so exept it not worth the risk and not fair on others. If people obeyed rules there would be no need for lockdown. We have lockdown because so many are ignorant and selfish.They cause the lockdown not the government or sage,look to yourself What makes me sad is that the ‘we’re all in it together’ attitude we had a the beginning has been totally dissipated and it’s become a blame game!
When the government opened retail in June there was no spike in cases - they were between 400-800 per day UK wide. When they opened gyms, pubs, restaurants and hotels etc that number went up to about 1100 and settled there - still not significant.
The number rose exponentially when schools, colleges and universities re-opened.
It WASN’T because a tiny minority were gathering in groups of more than 6.
It WASN’T because a tiny minority of young people (who seem to have been demonised in recent months) we’re having illegal raves. (And if more efforts had been made to give them as near normal a youth as possible - I doubt there’d be a demand)
Covid happened in my daughter’s school several weeks ago. It started with one pupil, spread to others - and then their families.
This is happening all over the country - and this is why there’s been a huge spike in cases.
The government insisted that all 1000 pupils in my daughter’s school had to return in September. There is no safe way to ‘bubble’ 1000 children - particularly in the colder months when outdoor teaching isn’t an option.
Things could have been done differently - and still could.
The economy (which wasn’t responsible for the increase in cases) could have kept moving - and producing revenue (particularly at this - the busiest time of year for retail and a vital time for hospitality).
That money could have provided broadband for families with school age children that don’t have it - schools could have been provided with laptops to loan to those who don’t have them to enable them to learn remotely - teachers could be better trained to teach remotely. Each child could return to school in small, socially distanced groups to study with teachers the areas they’re struggling on - and practical lessons.
That way society could run effectively, people could work and keep their jobs and kids education wouldn’t suffer (my daughter is in year 11 and she’s had to self isolate 3 times this term already - it’s simply not working!)
I’ve finished now.
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" Business and life Ruined.Still no prophylactic solution apart from mask and social distancing. What do you think. The whole thing has been a joke from the start, it's killing less people than the flu and is the 5th biggest daily killer on the planet, the lockdown is totally unnecessary." Mmmmm No No And no That's the most inaccurate posting in the history of postings lol | |||
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"Ive no problem with the lockdown, im sick of whiners and cry babies, we have given up so little in the grand scheme of things. " Not really true for those who have had their livelihoods declared illegal by the government. Everything they have worked for now gone. | |||
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Is it tho?"Given this month is not a lockdown by any imagination, hell no. How do you have a proper lockdown? You just have a proper lockdown. | |||
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"We have the vaccine in a few weeks so we are all saved now. Amazing how a few days makes such a difference. If you trust it. " A few weeks? Try a few months (like at least 6 minimum). The way it needs to be distributed, stored and given is a huge logistical operation. So whilst it may be ready in a few weeks, in reality it isn’t going to be available for administration for months, and there’s still no guarantee it works. It needs to be kept in freezing temperatures, so if you can imagine every GP surgery, clinic, A&E, MIU and hospitals need to have freezers installed and tested before it can then be distributed out for administration, and then on top of that the majority of the population will be way down the list for it. I’ll be lucky enough to be offered it due to health conditions and working frontline healthcare, but to be honest, I don’t particularly want to be given a rushed vaccine that has no substantial evidence for success plus with having trial candidates dying whilst being tested with it, no ta! | |||
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"Ive no problem with the lockdown, im sick of whiners and cry babies, we have given up so little in the grand scheme of things. I'm guessing you haven't lost anything other than a couple of nights out. Fact is though there are many out there who have lost their jobs, homes and ability to put food on the table. There are also many who have lost their lives due to NHS not providing care for many conditions other than covid. You may not have sacrificed much but many people have sacrificed everything." “...... There are also many who have lost their lives due to NHS not providing care for many conditions other than covid....” ——————————————- And without a lockdown, many many more will lose their lives due to NHS not providing care for many conditions other than covid. | |||
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"We have the vaccine in a few weeks so we are all saved now. Amazing how a few days makes such a difference. If you trust it. A few weeks? Try a few months (like at least 6 minimum). The way it needs to be distributed, stored and given is a huge logistical operation. So whilst it may be ready in a few weeks, in reality it isn’t going to be available for administration for months, and there’s still no guarantee it works. It needs to be kept in freezing temperatures, so if you can imagine every GP surgery, clinic, A&E, MIU and hospitals need to have freezers installed and tested before it can then be distributed out for administration, and then on top of that the majority of the population will be way down the list for it. I’ll be lucky enough to be offered it due to health conditions and working frontline healthcare, but to be honest, I don’t particularly want to be given a rushed vaccine that has no substantial evidence for success plus with having trial candidates dying whilst being tested with it, no ta!" Dry ice is the right temp, liquid N is colder still, it is due to be given out in places like civic halls etc, big open spaces that allow plenty of space, it's the old and vulnerable that will get it first so medics will visit old folks homes with a little flask, maybe the other vaccines wont need to be so cold, it's still going to.be a slow process but it's great news. | |||
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" Business and life Ruined.Still no prophylactic solution apart from mask and social distancing. What do you think." Hilarious. Splitting my sides . Absolute joke. All those people dying. Nurses and doctors died. Families with loved ones locked in care home. Yep absolute joke. You need to wake up if you think its a joke | |||
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"We have the vaccine in a few weeks so we are all saved now. Amazing how a few days makes such a difference. If you trust it. A few weeks? Try a few months (like at least 6 minimum). The way it needs to be distributed, stored and given is a huge logistical operation. So whilst it may be ready in a few weeks, in reality it isn’t going to be available for administration for months, and there’s still no guarantee it works. It needs to be kept in freezing temperatures, so if you can imagine every GP surgery, clinic, A&E, MIU and hospitals need to have freezers installed and tested before it can then be distributed out for administration, and then on top of that the majority of the population will be way down the list for it. I’ll be lucky enough to be offered it due to health conditions and working frontline healthcare, but to be honest, I don’t particularly want to be given a rushed vaccine that has no substantial evidence for success plus with having trial candidates dying whilst being tested with it, no ta! Dry ice is the right temp, liquid N is colder still, it is due to be given out in places like civic halls etc, big open spaces that allow plenty of space, it's the old and vulnerable that will get it first so medics will visit old folks homes with a little flask, maybe the other vaccines wont need to be so cold, it's still going to.be a slow process but it's great news." Problem is you’re required to have two doses. They don’t have enough vaccine to cover the entire country for two doses. I’d still rather take my chances of catching it from patients than having a rushed vaccine..... | |||
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"Ive no problem with the lockdown, im sick of whiners and cry babies, we have given up so little in the grand scheme of things. I'm guessing you haven't lost anything other than a couple of nights out. Fact is though there are many out there who have lost their jobs, homes and ability to put food on the table. There are also many who have lost their lives due to NHS not providing care for many conditions other than covid. You may not have sacrificed much but many people have sacrificed everything. “...... There are also many who have lost their lives due to NHS not providing care for many conditions other than covid....” ——————————————- And without a lockdown, many many more will lose their lives due to NHS not providing care for many conditions other than covid. " And those losing their homes etc? Do they just shrug their shoulders and say they're doing their duty? | |||
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" Business and life Ruined.Still no prophylactic solution apart from mask and social distancing. What do you think. i've been doing pretty much what i want all year long, lockdown means nothing to me to be honest." Congratulations in doing your part in keeping it going What do you want as your prize you fucking bell end | |||
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"Endless? It's ending in December Is it? The “media” are already pushing for an extension, they normally get what they want
I hope not.
Cindi needs play time
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"It's all a lie "What's a lie, Covid? Seriously? It's affecting all 195 countries throughout the world and a global population of 7.8 billion people. That's quite a lie...... Posts like yours make me for England.
The most singular iota of common sense says with numbers like that, it couldn't possibly be a lie.
But that one iota of common sense is where it all falls down.
I honestly think there are some people out there are more daft than the day they were born.
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"Those who say the lockdowns are more devastating than the virus obviously have little value on life and on what really matters in life. There are half a million people who will never walk the streets again, will not share Christmas with their loved ones, children, grandchildren. They will not hold hands with their partner, will not enjoy another day and no future hope. Their life has been taken away, no more dreams, no more hopes. Then there are those who are left behind without their loved one. Their world has irreversible been changed. Life cannot be replaced or regained. Yes the economy is hit, businesses have been lost, jobs have gone. All these things can be replaced, they may not be the same but nevertheless there has been huge financial help to keep and save most. There are many countries where the people have not had that luxury, their health care system never coped even if they could afford to avail of it. Just like any past economic crash, we will rise again, the pattern repeats itself. The greatest lost for those who are left behind is the life lost and the void that leaves behind not the economy. Tell that to those who due to the economic downturn are forced from poverty into starvation. WFP predicted the possibility of an additional death toll due to starvation of up to 300,000 deaths daily back at the end of May, due to the food chain being disrupted with the sickness and disruption in funding. Even if that's well exaggerated by tenfold, as strong global economies impose lockdowns and close certain business sectors again, and probably will be for the foreseeable future, you're still talking 30,000 people in third world countries starving DAILY and in ADDITION because of these strong economic nations enforcing lockdowns causing economic devastation in their own countries as well as a ripple effect worldwide. Tell that to those who have lost their jobs, were already struggling financially, are not only facing mortgage or rent arrears, but have no power to heat homes for themselves and their families, as they're cut off (330,000 households in Germany living without power as a norm, with a population of 80 million, I'm not sure of UK statistics), don't know where they're getting their next meal for themselves or their children. Tell that to those who feel they have no other way out bar to take their lives, a statistic we probably won't see for a good while. Tell that to those who are in abusive relationships, having to deal with the emotional trauma of now possibly being at home with a partner who lost job or is working from home. Tell that to those who were too terrified to get medical help when they needed it most or even now still need it, because they thought they might contract the virus, hence having died or now face a much shorter life because of delayed diagnosis. It's well and good when someone is in a relatively stable economic situation, with a roof over their head, food on the table, a supportive family, friend and work environment, with the better part of their life still ahead possibly and hopefully in good physical and mental health. BUT, take any one of those aspects away, or possibly more, and life starts looking bleaker and bleaker. So for anyone to say those against lockdowns or lockdowns being more devastating than the virus have little or no value on life or don't know what matters in life, are in fact those who are quite possibly looking at the bigger picture long-term. The list of collateral damages and deaths goes on and on... Check out BBC future, why most Covid deaths won't be from the virus. Check out ncbh, mortality and psychological burden caused by response to Covid 19. These are hypotheses. I do not believe in conspiracy theories. I do believe that the situation with the virus has been completely thrown out of proportion. I believe the measures imposed are disproportionate to the danger/risk of the situation. I believe in the long run, the collateral damage with lives lost not because of the virus, the mental health of a population, the economic health of a population and the impact of distance and remote learning on the education of our younger generation will by far outweigh the lives that may be saved by the measures imposed. Unfortunately we will probably never know because you would have to be able to actually live different approaches for an extended period of time. " I am one of those ones that didn't get a single penny's help from the lockdow, self-employed I had to sell motorbike and tools, borrowed money from daughter so as not to sell my van. Just about paid her back and have other debts still as a result. Poverty you say? I've seen it, worked and lived with it in India and Africa and learned to know the difference between hardship and poverty. I've worked with the homeless here and in Dublin. So may I ask you a simple question, have you walked in their shoes? Till you have you may need to think again about poverty. | |||
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"Those who say the lockdowns are more devastating than the virus obviously have little value on life and on what really matters in life. There are half a million people who will never walk the streets again, will not share Christmas with their loved ones, children, grandchildren. They will not hold hands with their partner, will not enjoy another day and no future hope. Their life has been taken away, no more dreams, no more hopes. Then there are those who are left behind without their loved one. Their world has irreversible been changed. Life cannot be replaced or regained. Yes the economy is hit, businesses have been lost, jobs have gone. All these things can be replaced, they may not be the same but nevertheless there has been huge financial help to keep and save most. There are many countries where the people have not had that luxury, their health care system never coped even if they could afford to avail of it. Just like any past economic crash, we will rise again, the pattern repeats itself. The greatest lost for those who are left behind is the life lost and the void that leaves behind not the economy. Tell that to those who due to the economic downturn are forced from poverty into starvation. WFP predicted the possibility of an additional death toll due to starvation of up to 300,000 deaths daily back at the end of May, due to the food chain being disrupted with the sickness and disruption in funding. Even if that's well exaggerated by tenfold, as strong global economies impose lockdowns and close certain business sectors again, and probably will be for the foreseeable future, you're still talking 30,000 people in third world countries starving DAILY and in ADDITION because of these strong economic nations enforcing lockdowns causing economic devastation in their own countries as well as a ripple effect worldwide. Tell that to those who have lost their jobs, were already struggling financially, are not only facing mortgage or rent arrears, but have no power to heat homes for themselves and their families, as they're cut off (330,000 households in Germany living without power as a norm, with a population of 80 million, I'm not sure of UK statistics), don't know where they're getting their next meal for themselves or their children. Tell that to those who feel they have no other way out bar to take their lives, a statistic we probably won't see for a good while. Tell that to those who are in abusive relationships, having to deal with the emotional trauma of now possibly being at home with a partner who lost job or is working from home. Tell that to those who were too terrified to get medical help when they needed it most or even now still need it, because they thought they might contract the virus, hence having died or now face a much shorter life because of delayed diagnosis. It's well and good when someone is in a relatively stable economic situation, with a roof over their head, food on the table, a supportive family, friend and work environment, with the better part of their life still ahead possibly and hopefully in good physical and mental health. BUT, take any one of those aspects away, or possibly more, and life starts looking bleaker and bleaker. So for anyone to say those against lockdowns or lockdowns being more devastating than the virus have little or no value on life or don't know what matters in life, are in fact those who are quite possibly looking at the bigger picture long-term. The list of collateral damages and deaths goes on and on... Check out BBC future, why most Covid deaths won't be from the virus. Check out ncbh, mortality and psychological burden caused by response to Covid 19. These are hypotheses. I do not believe in conspiracy theories. I do believe that the situation with the virus has been completely thrown out of proportion. I believe the measures imposed are disproportionate to the danger/risk of the situation. I believe in the long run, the collateral damage with lives lost not because of the virus, the mental health of a population, the economic health of a population and the impact of distance and remote learning on the education of our younger generation will by far outweigh the lives that may be saved by the measures imposed. Unfortunately we will probably never know because you would have to be able to actually live different approaches for an extended period of time. I am one of those ones that didn't get a single penny's help from the lockdow, self-employed I had to sell motorbike and tools, borrowed money from daughter so as not to sell my van. Just about paid her back and have other debts still as a result. Poverty you say? I've seen it, worked and lived with it in India and Africa and learned to know the difference between hardship and poverty. I've worked with the homeless here and in Dublin. So may I ask you a simple question, have you walked in their shoes? Till you have you may need to think again about poverty. " Very well said. I do hope things start to improve for you very soon. Xx | |||
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