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" Just a yes or no will do....." I just spat my tea out lol | |||
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"Could be mandatory ...." You really think the NHS will sack staff for exercising their basic human right to bodily autonomy?? | |||
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" Just a yes or no will do..... I just spat my tea out lol" I know right, should know better by now | |||
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"It would never be mandatory. We get offered the flu jab every year and the take up isn’t that high, and no one is ever forced . I’m not 100% but leaning more towards yes - just for the sake of normality returning " | |||
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"What will the life insurance implications for staff refusing the vaccine who in the course of duties become infected and die" Are there any implications for health care staff on their life insurance in relation to refusal of any other vaccine? | |||
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"I wouldn't be surprised... especially the way its treated whistle blowers. Considering the whats happened this year if airlines also insisted on a vaccine being taken." That would be hard for airlines to enforce if not everyone is offered one. It may be you’ll still need to take a test prior to departure | |||
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"What will the life insurance implications for staff refusing the vaccine who in the course of duties become infected and die Are there any implications for health care staff on their life insurance in relation to refusal of any other vaccine?" That's what I'm asking | |||
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"What will the life insurance implications for staff refusing the vaccine who in the course of duties become infected and die Are there any implications for health care staff on their life insurance in relation to refusal of any other vaccine? That's what I'm asking " Apologies I thought your question was specific to a Covid 19 vaccine, hence my curiosity about any existing clauses regarding any other vaccines | |||
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"Could be mandatory .... You really think the NHS will sack staff for exercising their basic human right to bodily autonomy?? " No but they could be redeployed. | |||
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"I wouldn't be surprised... especially the way its treated whistle blowers. Considering the whats happened this year if airlines also insisted on a vaccine being taken. That would be hard for airlines to enforce if not everyone is offered one. It may be you’ll still need to take a test prior to departure " There is talk about it being added to your passport as to whether you have had the vaccine and then it would be up to the discretion of the airline to take you or not. Also some countries may decide they won't let people in if they haven't had it but I guess only time will tell. | |||
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"I wouldn't be surprised... especially the way its treated whistle blowers. Considering the whats happened this year if airlines also insisted on a vaccine being taken. That would be hard for airlines to enforce if not everyone is offered one. It may be you’ll still need to take a test prior to departure There is talk about it being added to your passport as to whether you have had the vaccine and then it would be up to the discretion of the airline to take you or not. Also some countries may decide they won't let people in if they haven't had it but I guess only time will tell. " I can see that happening if everyone is actually offered the chance to take the vaccine, and that is not my understanding of it at the moment, ie the rumour is children (unless vulnerable) aren’t to be offered it.... so that’s the end of family holidays, I doubt it | |||
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"I will wait for all the world test dummy's go take there doses first, it's still not proven vaccine takes years to properly test not month's. Like the Chinese vaccine your sick, high temperature, strong head aches, and in a bad way for several days. You have to pay for it and not work while you take it as your that weak you can't work at all." Actually yes it takes years to develop a vaccine however the testing of said vaccine usually takes 9 to 15 months. I don't know why people don't understand that it takes so long because it's not normally such a priority it's nothing to do with compromising on the safety testing. | |||
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"I will wait for all the world test dummy's go take there doses first, it's still not proven vaccine takes years to properly test not month's. Like the Chinese vaccine your sick, high temperature, strong head aches, and in a bad way for several days. You have to pay for it and not work while you take it as your that weak you can't work at all." Also I'd rather feel rough and take a week off work than constantly having to take 2 weeks off because I keep being told but I am in contact with somebody who was tested positive. I don't understand why anybody wouldn't do the same. | |||
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"Could be mandatory .... You really think the NHS will sack staff for exercising their basic human right to bodily autonomy?? No but they could be redeployed. " Out of interest, do they redeploy staff who decline other vaccines? | |||
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"Could be mandatory .... You really think the NHS will sack staff for exercising their basic human right to bodily autonomy?? No but they could be redeployed. Out of interest, do they redeploy staff who decline other vaccines? " All the others as prevalent as they sit the moment? Are the others mainly being spread in hospitals and care homes? This is not comparable. | |||
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"What will the life insurance implications for staff refusing the vaccine who in the course of duties become infected and die Are there any implications for health care staff on their life insurance in relation to refusal of any other vaccine? That's what I'm asking Apologies I thought your question was specific to a Covid 19 vaccine, hence my curiosity about any existing clauses regarding any other vaccines" No need to apologise, just thinking out loud as are many. | |||
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"I wouldn't be surprised... especially the way its treated whistle blowers. Considering the whats happened this year if airlines also insisted on a vaccine being taken. That would be hard for airlines to enforce if not everyone is offered one. It may be you’ll still need to take a test prior to departure There is talk about it being added to your passport as to whether you have had the vaccine and then it would be up to the discretion of the airline to take you or not. Also some countries may decide they won't let people in if they haven't had it but I guess only time will tell. " It will happen and Australia already on board and getting that rolled out But freedoms arent being tsken away its all conspiracy | |||
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"Could be mandatory .... You really think the NHS will sack staff for exercising their basic human right to bodily autonomy?? No but they could be redeployed. Out of interest, do they redeploy staff who decline other vaccines? All the others as prevalent as they sit the moment? Are the others mainly being spread in hospitals and care homes? This is not comparable. " Sorry I don't quite understand your relly. I was asking a genuine question about other vaccines that are offered to NHS staff for communicable illnesses . I know it is not an issue in social care so wondered if it were in Health, and is it grounds for redeployment, which you highlighted as a possibility for staff who do not take up a covid vaccine. | |||
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"What will the life insurance implications for staff refusing the vaccine who in the course of duties become infected and die Are there any implications for health care staff on their life insurance in relation to refusal of any other vaccine? That's what I'm asking Apologies I thought your question was specific to a Covid 19 vaccine, hence my curiosity about any existing clauses regarding any other vaccines No need to apologise, just thinking out loud as are many." So do you know if such clauses are in place in regards to any other vaccines? | |||
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"Could be mandatory .... You really think the NHS will sack staff for exercising their basic human right to bodily autonomy?? No but they could be redeployed. Out of interest, do they redeploy staff who decline other vaccines? All the others as prevalent as they sit the moment? Are the others mainly being spread in hospitals and care homes? This is not comparable. Sorry I don't quite understand your relly. I was asking a genuine question about other vaccines that are offered to NHS staff for communicable illnesses . I know it is not an issue in social care so wondered if it were in Health, and is it grounds for redeployment, which you highlighted as a possibility for staff who do not take up a covid vaccine. " reply** | |||
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"Could be mandatory .... You really think the NHS will sack staff for exercising their basic human right to bodily autonomy?? No but they could be redeployed. Out of interest, do they redeploy staff who decline other vaccines? All the others as prevalent as they sit the moment? Are the others mainly being spread in hospitals and care homes? This is not comparable. Sorry I don't quite understand your relly. I was asking a genuine question about other vaccines that are offered to NHS staff for communicable illnesses . I know it is not an issue in social care so wondered if it were in Health, and is it grounds for redeployment, which you highlighted as a possibility for staff who do not take up a covid vaccine. " In all honesty I don't know, But I can definitely imagine a situation where only staff that have been vaccinated for covid are allowed to work on the front line. Also I suspect that care homes would very much encourage their staff to have the vaccine and not sure the implications if they don't. I know lots of people that work in the nhs and have but one said they would have it. One who is my best friend is on the fence but only because she has allergies so isn't sure if she can have it. | |||
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"100% no" Is there any other form of NO is 32% NO even a.... thing | |||
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"Could be mandatory .... You really think the NHS will sack staff for exercising their basic human right to bodily autonomy?? No but they could be redeployed. Out of interest, do they redeploy staff who decline other vaccines? All the others as prevalent as they sit the moment? Are the others mainly being spread in hospitals and care homes? This is not comparable. Sorry I don't quite understand your relly. I was asking a genuine question about other vaccines that are offered to NHS staff for communicable illnesses . I know it is not an issue in social care so wondered if it were in Health, and is it grounds for redeployment, which you highlighted as a possibility for staff who do not take up a covid vaccine. In all honesty I don't know, But I can definitely imagine a situation where only staff that have been vaccinated for covid are allowed to work on the front line. Also I suspect that care homes would very much encourage their staff to have the vaccine and not sure the implications if they don't. I know lots of people that work in the nhs and have but one said they would have it. One who is my best friend is on the fence but only because she has allergies so isn't sure if she can have it." If she's worried about egg allergy etc, the Covid vaccine has nothing to do with egg. Because it's an mRNA vaccine, there's no virus to grow and harvest so no need for egg etc. Many flu vaccines are now egg free too because there are other ways to manufacture it, eg recombinant vaccines. | |||
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"Not for a year or two ,to see if any unseen side effects" just watched utopia | |||
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"Could be mandatory .... You really think the NHS will sack staff for exercising their basic human right to bodily autonomy?? No but they could be redeployed. Out of interest, do they redeploy staff who decline other vaccines? All the others as prevalent as they sit the moment? Are the others mainly being spread in hospitals and care homes? This is not comparable. Sorry I don't quite understand your relly. I was asking a genuine question about other vaccines that are offered to NHS staff for communicable illnesses . I know it is not an issue in social care so wondered if it were in Health, and is it grounds for redeployment, which you highlighted as a possibility for staff who do not take up a covid vaccine. In all honesty I don't know, But I can definitely imagine a situation where only staff that have been vaccinated for covid are allowed to work on the front line. Also I suspect that care homes would very much encourage their staff to have the vaccine and not sure the implications if they don't. I know lots of people that work in the nhs and have but one said they would have it. One who is my best friend is on the fence but only because she has allergies so isn't sure if she can have it. If she's worried about egg allergy etc, the Covid vaccine has nothing to do with egg. Because it's an mRNA vaccine, there's no virus to grow and harvest so no need for egg etc. Many flu vaccines are now egg free too because there are other ways to manufacture it, eg recombinant vaccines." To be honest she seems to have an allergy to everything. | |||
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"Could be mandatory .... You really think the NHS will sack staff for exercising their basic human right to bodily autonomy?? No but they could be redeployed. Out of interest, do they redeploy staff who decline other vaccines? " Kind of . When recruiting new starters(NHS) ours are told job offers may be withdrawn if they decline Being immunized against certain diseases. However I have never personally come across an offer being withdrawn for that reason x | |||
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"I wouldn't be surprised... especially the way its treated whistle blowers. Considering the whats happened this year if airlines also insisted on a vaccine being taken. That would be hard for airlines to enforce if not everyone is offered one. It may be you’ll still need to take a test prior to departure There is talk about it being added to your passport as to whether you have had the vaccine and then it would be up to the discretion of the airline to take you or not. Also some countries may decide they won't let people in if they haven't had it but I guess only time will tell. It will happen and Australia already on board and getting that rolled out But freedoms arent being tsken away its all conspiracy " the freedom to enter a foreign country isnt actually a right ... its a privilege and one that could have been taken away at any point by a country covid or not | |||
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"Given that it seems we are close to having a vaccine for this dreaded virus I was just wondering how nhs staff feel about it. Are you going to have it or not? Just a yes or no will do....." Yes for both of us. | |||
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"Could be mandatory ...." No it wouldn't... Same as the flu jab. Some ppl can't have the flu jab,and can't be forced to have it! | |||
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"What will the life insurance implications for staff refusing the vaccine who in the course of duties become infected and die" It's been mentioned that having an antibody test can even affect your life/health insurance | |||
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"What will the life insurance implications for staff refusing the vaccine who in the course of duties become infected and die It's been mentioned that having an antibody test can even affect your life/health insurance" How can having a simple blood test effect ur life/health insurance?? | |||
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"I feel so strongly about this as at least 60% of the adult population need to be vaccinated for it to be effective. Some people can’t be vaccinated. As someone that has worked my whole career in the NHS I want to lead by example " Agreed. I will. But those that don’t will cause issues. Look at those kids that suffered because of false research into MMR vaccines. All those that can, should. | |||
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"I feel so strongly about this as at least 60% of the adult population need to be vaccinated for it to be effective. Some people can’t be vaccinated. As someone that has worked my whole career in the NHS I want to lead by example Agreed. I will. But those that don’t will cause issues. Look at those kids that suffered because of false research into MMR vaccines. All those that can, should. " Agree 100% | |||
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"Yes" Actually having a few doubts n about it now. | |||
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"Yes Actually having a few doubts n about it now." May I ask why BB? | |||
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"Guinea pigs!! Anyone remember Iraq Syndrome?" That was completely different! | |||
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"I wouldn't be surprised... especially the way its treated whistle blowers. Considering the whats happened this year if airlines also insisted on a vaccine being taken." There’s a very big difference between an employer forcing its staff to take a vaccine and an airline advising passengers, who can choose another airline, that they will be required to vaccinate before being allowed on its plane. | |||
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"Given that it seems we are close to having a vaccine for this dreaded virus I was just wondering how nhs staff feel about it. Are you going to have it or not? Just a yes or no will do....." Yes | |||
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"The vaccination should be offered to all nhs staff 1st then ambulance then all care home staff and patience, we need the nhs staff to look after us when we ill so they must go 1st " Isn't that a game of cards, or it it just biding your time? | |||
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"Could be mandatory .... You really think the NHS will sack staff for exercising their basic human right to bodily autonomy?? " Many of my nursing colleagues wouldnt have the normal flu jab. A Trust I've worked for did go through a period of disciplining staff who were off sick through the winter months if they hadnt had the flu jab, so it wouldnt surprise me! Ive always had it as actual full blown flu is horrendous, and having now had Covid-19 too, I definitely would | |||
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"Could be mandatory .... You really think the NHS will sack staff for exercising their basic human right to bodily autonomy?? Many of my nursing colleagues wouldnt have the normal flu jab. A Trust I've worked for did go through a period of disciplining staff who were off sick through the winter months if they hadnt had the flu jab, so it wouldnt surprise me! Ive always had it as actual full blown flu is horrendous, and having now had Covid-19 too, I definitely would " How did they prove it was definitely flu and definitely related to not having the vaccine? | |||
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"Apparently the covid vaccine has MRC-5 Caucasian aborted foetus cells in it.." Is that meant to be a bad thing? | |||
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"Still think vaccines are safe? https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history.html?fbclid=IwAR3A7DnTgDZ1g8K4Yzb0dMt2p4wmE9y8lioldSzjvw1RTlHVeZaZBLZ0wGA" Yes... safer than the disease they’re protecting us from anyway. When my mum was a small child in east London kids were suffering all around her from polio .... doesn’t exist now. So yes yes and yes again. | |||
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"Apparently the covid vaccine has MRC-5 Caucasian aborted foetus cells in it.." I think the MCR-5 in question is only derived from the original research which indeed was derived from a 14 week Caucasian foetus? The use of MCR-5 vaccines has been endorsed by the majority of faith leaders including the Vatican. | |||
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"Apparently the covid vaccine has MRC-5 Caucasian aborted foetus cells in it.." Why is it relevant what colour the foetus was ? | |||
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"Apparently the covid vaccine has MRC-5 Caucasian aborted foetus cells in it.. Why is it relevant what colour the foetus was ?" Because the MCR-5 diploid cell culture line was specifically derived from a 14 week Caucasian aborted foetus. | |||
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"*Sigh* Read this, in particular the final section: BBC News - The coronavirus pandemic 'great reset' theory and a false vaccine claim debunked https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/55017002" Are you telling me that the vaccine definitely won't contain bill gates semen | |||
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"Still think vaccines are safe? https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history.html?fbclid=IwAR3A7DnTgDZ1g8K4Yzb0dMt2p4wmE9y8lioldSzjvw1RTlHVeZaZBLZ0wGA" Might I suggest you click on your link and actually read the 3 most recent issues ? | |||
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"*Sigh* Read this, in particular the final section: BBC News - The coronavirus pandemic 'great reset' theory and a false vaccine claim debunked https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/55017002 Are you telling me that the vaccine definitely won't contain bill gates semen " No semen, but Sandra off FB told me it's got unicorn tears in, and I'm opposed to the exploitation of unicorns | |||
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"I will wait for all the world test dummy's go take there doses first, it's still not proven vaccine takes years to properly test not month's. Like the Chinese vaccine your sick, high temperature, strong head aches, and in a bad way for several days. You have to pay for it and not work while you take it as your that weak you can't work at all. Actually yes it takes years to develop a vaccine however the testing of said vaccine usually takes 9 to 15 months. I don't know why people don't understand that it takes so long because it's not normally such a priority it's nothing to do with compromising on the safety testing. " It takes the time each does for many reasons, often related to securing finance for each stage, deployment of vaccine trials in many different countries around the world, securing authorisations for the trials in each different country as well as the potentially tough job of getting tens or hundreds of thousands of volunteers in so many different places, to be found and to agree to trialling something for a disease that they may have little interest in. Compare that with today, where every country is impacted, people are motivated wanting to get this over with and to contribute to well-being every where. Plus funding is more readily available, governments are interested too, helping to ease the way. A lot of what you claim to be the 'years to develop a vaccine' has been eased for so very many reasons that you've perhaps overlooked. Much of the standard time frame for stages 2 and 3, with protraction between them, isn't related to safety or science, nor thoroughness of how things are done - it's related to money, bureaucracy, disinterest amongst countries that take persuasion, education and time to get on board amongst other factors. The present global cooperation and speed with scientific research sharing is unprecedented in its levels of achievement. The many years of determined hard work undertaken by people such as those working on mRNA, underpins much of what we've done. We've not started from scratch since January this year - many earlier years' hard work has contributed to what we've gained. | |||
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"I will wait for all the world test dummy's go take there doses first, it's still not proven vaccine takes years to properly test not month's. Like the Chinese vaccine your sick, high temperature, strong head aches, and in a bad way for several days. You have to pay for it and not work while you take it as your that weak you can't work at all. Actually yes it takes years to develop a vaccine however the testing of said vaccine usually takes 9 to 15 months. I don't know why people don't understand that it takes so long because it's not normally such a priority it's nothing to do with compromising on the safety testing. It takes the time each does for many reasons, often related to securing finance for each stage, deployment of vaccine trials in many different countries around the world, securing authorisations for the trials in each different country as well as the potentially tough job of getting tens or hundreds of thousands of volunteers in so many different places, to be found and to agree to trialling something for a disease that they may have little interest in. Compare that with today, where every country is impacted, people are motivated wanting to get this over with and to contribute to well-being every where. Plus funding is more readily available, governments are interested too, helping to ease the way. A lot of what you claim to be the 'years to develop a vaccine' has been eased for so very many reasons that you've perhaps overlooked. Much of the standard time frame for stages 2 and 3, with protraction between them, isn't related to safety or science, nor thoroughness of how things are done - it's related to money, bureaucracy, disinterest amongst countries that take persuasion, education and time to get on board amongst other factors. The present global cooperation and speed with scientific research sharing is unprecedented in its levels of achievement. The many years of determined hard work undertaken by people such as those working on mRNA, underpins much of what we've done. We've not started from scratch since January this year - many earlier years' hard work has contributed to what we've gained. " Well said | |||
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"Apparently the covid vaccine has MRC-5 Caucasian aborted foetus cells in it.. Why is it relevant what colour the foetus was ?" Not relevant to me. Here's the link on the science. You decide https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2020/05/63752/ | |||
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"Could never be mandatory, K is NHS and lots of her colleagues are dubious" Depends how you define mandatory. If by mandatory you mean you will be under indefinite house arrest unless you have it, then yes it absolutely will be mandatory. As for whether I'll take it, not unless I'm forced. | |||
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"From what I understand it’s the elderly and vulnerable first then nhs staff and care home staff. Yes I shall be having it Mrs ikc" Its at the same time. Care home residents and staff first then 80+ and Frontline NSH staff. The very high risk under 60 are 6th on the list. | |||
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"The gov wouldn’t give it out if they knew it was unsafe. It’s more of a question of if it will do its job. NHS staff could be receiving the jab in a matter of days. Get jabbed, let’s get the f**k out of this mess ASAP" Government care ? Hahahahahahahah | |||
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"Given that it seems we are close to having a vaccine for this dreaded virus I was just wondering how nhs staff feel about it. Are you going to have it or not? Just a yes or no will do....." Yes | |||
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"Could be mandatory .... You really think the NHS will sack staff for exercising their basic human right to bodily autonomy?? No but they could be redeployed. Out of interest, do they redeploy staff who decline other vaccines? " Vaccines aren’t mandatory | |||
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"Could be mandatory .... You really think the NHS will sack staff for exercising their basic human right to bodily autonomy?? No but they could be redeployed. Out of interest, do they redeploy staff who decline other vaccines? Vaccines aren’t mandatory " I'm hoping they will be mandatory for all overseas travel | |||
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"Let the younger members of society get out of this misery. " Disagree | |||
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