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By *ontbesillywrapyourwilly OP   Man
over a year ago

Tipperary

the covid vaccine if approved. honest answers.

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By *cottybear74Man
over a year ago

kilkenny

Probably will

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

By the time it is available to all, yes.

Probably looking at end of next year realistically, assuming it is quickly approved.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Kaizer will take 3 of them to be sure

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Probably not.

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By *etmebeurfantasyWoman
over a year ago

My town

Yes I will

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If it gets through the approval processes, then yes.

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of


"By the time it is available to all, yes.

Probably looking at end of next year realistically, assuming it is quickly approved."

This, but I insist on the one from Germany.

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By *iggBadDaveMan
over a year ago

Ards

Hell no , anything brought out the fast can't have been tested for side affects.

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By *-ManMan
over a year ago

Kark

I don't think it's going to be your choice to get it but maybe your choice to refuse it, it'll be a criteria list, over 80s and heath care workers firdt, then the over 70s,then the over 60s etc so by the time it reaches your group we might well have reached the 70% heard immunity

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwilly OP   Man
over a year ago

Tipperary


"By the time it is available to all, yes.

Probably looking at end of next year realistically, assuming it is quickly approved."
anything I'm reading this morning, it will be here well before the end of next year.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwilly OP   Man
over a year ago

Tipperary


"I don't think it's going to be your choice to get it but maybe your choice to refuse it, it'll be a criteria list, over 80s and heath care workers firdt, then the over 70s,then the over 60s etc so by the time it reaches your group we might well have reached the 70% heard immunity "
good post.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No!

Unless get forced to. But Kitty propably would as she believes in all this covid scam...

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwilly OP   Man
over a year ago

Tipperary

there was a fella on this morning stating unless a certain amount take the vaccine (if approved), we will keep going in and out of lockdowns.

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By *DGF20Man
over a year ago

Dublin

Absolutely not taking, maybe in a future...maybe

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By *elfastDMan
over a year ago

belfast

Yip

It reduces my chance of dying

I’m not ready to die

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"By the time it is available to all, yes.

Probably looking at end of next year realistically, assuming it is quickly approved.anything I'm reading this morning, it will be here well before the end of next year. "

Here maybe, but available to all the population? I doubt it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yes defo would

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By *irewolffMan
over a year ago

Dublin

I probably will...I have cancer at the mo & am on hormone therapy.

I work for one of the large pharma companies making a vaccine

MsD

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't think it's going to be your choice to get it but maybe your choice to refuse it, it'll be a criteria list, over 80s and heath care workers firdt, then the over 70s,then the over 60s etc so by the time it reaches your group we might well have reached the 70% heard immunity "

Trouble is, if everyone expects others to provide them with herd immunity, it doesn't happen. Plus it's not anticipated that it will provide lifetime immunity.

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

I cant wait to get it as soon as I'm able to

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By *-ManMan
over a year ago

Kark


"I don't think it's going to be your choice to get it but maybe your choice to refuse it, it'll be a criteria list, over 80s and heath care workers firdt, then the over 70s,then the over 60s etc so by the time it reaches your group we might well have reached the 70% heard immunity

Trouble is, if everyone expects others to provide them with herd immunity, it doesn't happen. Plus it's not anticipated that it will provide lifetime immunity."
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Yeah I agree that's a risk but I'd be hopeful there's enough sane people who will get it and added to that the little bit of heard immunity that's already built up naturally plus the other vacancies that will come on the market next year should be enough to get us over the line........... What I'm concerned about is the mutations (possibly already haopened in mink) that might cause a whole new pandemic

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwilly OP   Man
over a year ago

Tipperary


"I don't think it's going to be your choice to get it but maybe your choice to refuse it, it'll be a criteria list, over 80s and heath care workers firdt, then the over 70s,then the over 60s etc so by the time it reaches your group we might well have reached the 70% heard immunity

Trouble is, if everyone expects others to provide them with herd immunity, it doesn't happen. Plus it's not anticipated that it will provide lifetime immunity..

Yeah I agree that's a risk but I'd be hopeful there's enough sane people who will get it and added to that the little bit of heard immunity that's already built up naturally plus the other vacancies that will come on the market next year should be enough to get us over the line........... What I'm concerned about is the mutations (possibly already haopened in mink) that might cause a whole new pandemic "
imagine living in a world where you're constantly living a lockdown life of some capacity. it actually doesnt bear thinking about.

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By *-ManMan
over a year ago

Kark


"I don't think it's going to be your choice to get it but maybe your choice to refuse it, it'll be a criteria list, over 80s and heath care workers firdt, then the over 70s,then the over 60s etc so by the time it reaches your group we might well have reached the 70% heard immunity

Trouble is, if everyone expects others to provide them with herd immunity, it doesn't happen. Plus it's not anticipated that it will provide lifetime immunity..

Yeah I agree that's a risk but I'd be hopeful there's enough sane people who will get it and added to that the little bit of heard immunity that's already built up naturally plus the other vacancies that will come on the market next year should be enough to get us over the line........... What I'm concerned about is the mutations (possibly already haopened in mink) that might cause a whole new pandemic imagine living in a world where you're constantly living a lockdown life of some capacity. it actually doesnt bear thinking about."

Isn't that pretty much the life of of so many people already, the Palestinians come to mind

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't think it's going to be your choice to get it but maybe your choice to refuse it, it'll be a criteria list, over 80s and heath care workers firdt, then the over 70s,then the over 60s etc so by the time it reaches your group we might well have reached the 70% heard immunity

Trouble is, if everyone expects others to provide them with herd immunity, it doesn't happen. Plus it's not anticipated that it will provide lifetime immunity..

Yeah I agree that's a risk but I'd be hopeful there's enough sane people who will get it and added to that the little bit of heard immunity that's already built up naturally plus the other vacancies that will come on the market next year should be enough to get us over the line........... What I'm concerned about is the mutations (possibly already haopened in mink) that might cause a whole new pandemic imagine living in a world where you're constantly living a lockdown life of some capacity. it actually doesnt bear thinking about."

Or living in a world where Covid is just another disease that might kill you and your family - as lots on the planet already do. Here we are cosily living with the expectation that a vaccine will quickly be rolled out for us

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A good article here on what the vaccines (this includes the Pfizer one) are designed to do. It's important to note that they are NOT designed to prevent infection - just handle the symptoms.

"Three of the Vaccine protocols - Moderna, Pfizer and Astra Zeneca - do not require that their vaccine prevent serious disease only that they prevent moderate symptoms which may be as mild as a cough or headache".

"None list mortality as a critical endpoint"

https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/09/23/covid-19-vaccine-protocols-reveal-that-trials-are-designed-to-succeed/amp/

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am not averse to vaccines but I would like to see this tested in the long-term before going near it. It is after all, an experimental vaccine using gene-modifying methods that have never been used on people before.

I am guessing that it will be increasingly difficult to participate fully in society if you don't get it at some stage tho.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hell no , anything brought out the fast can't have been tested for side affects."

True.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" imagine living in a world where you're constantly living a lockdown life of some capacity. it actually doesnt bear thinking about.

Isn't that pretty much the life of of so many people already, the Palestinians come to mind "

Yup.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Yeah I agree that's a risk but I'd be hopeful there's enough sane people who will get it and added to that the little bit of heard immunity that's already built up naturally"

I think it would be more sane for us to protect our most vulnerable and work on building that herd immunity so that we could all have something of our lives back without wrecking our society and destroying businesses and tossing people onto the scrapheap.

If we are facing constant viral mutations then no vaccine will accommodate for those possibilities until years ahead.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Herd immunity" according to the WHO, is achieved by protecting people to a disease, not exposing them. Natural herd immunity doesn't really exist, the disease will kill those vulnerable to it.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwilly OP   Man
over a year ago

Tipperary


"I don't think it's going to be your choice to get it but maybe your choice to refuse it, it'll be a criteria list, over 80s and heath care workers firdt, then the over 70s,then the over 60s etc so by the time it reaches your group we might well have reached the 70% heard immunity

Trouble is, if everyone expects others to provide them with herd immunity, it doesn't happen. Plus it's not anticipated that it will provide lifetime immunity..

Yeah I agree that's a risk but I'd be hopeful there's enough sane people who will get it and added to that the little bit of heard immunity that's already built up naturally plus the other vacancies that will come on the market next year should be enough to get us over the line........... What I'm concerned about is the mutations (possibly already haopened in mink) that might cause a whole new pandemic imagine living in a world where you're constantly living a lockdown life of some capacity. it actually doesnt bear thinking about.

Isn't that pretty much the life of of so many people already, the Palestinians come to mind "
were not Palestinians. were not accustomed to this way of living at all. labered lives businesses closing people loosing their jobs. this lockdown were in now though is very diff to the first one

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't think it's going to be your choice to get it but maybe your choice to refuse it, it'll be a criteria list, over 80s and heath care workers firdt, then the over 70s,then the over 60s etc so by the time it reaches your group we might well have reached the 70% heard immunity

Trouble is, if everyone expects others to provide them with herd immunity, it doesn't happen. Plus it's not anticipated that it will provide lifetime immunity..

Yeah I agree that's a risk but I'd be hopeful there's enough sane people who will get it and added to that the little bit of heard immunity that's already built up naturally plus the other vacancies that will come on the market next year should be enough to get us over the line........... What I'm concerned about is the mutations (possibly already haopened in mink) that might cause a whole new pandemic imagine living in a world where you're constantly living a lockdown life of some capacity. it actually doesnt bear thinking about.

Isn't that pretty much the life of of so many people already, the Palestinians come to mind were not Palestinians. were not accustomed to this way of living at all. labered lives businesses closing people loosing their jobs. this lockdown were in now though is very diff to the first one "

Get used to it, there will be another surge early in the New Year

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By *321funMan
over a year ago

Laois


"I don't think it's going to be your choice to get it but maybe your choice to refuse it, it'll be a criteria list, over 80s and heath care workers firdt, then the over 70s,then the over 60s etc so by the time it reaches your group we might well have reached the 70% heard immunity "

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By *321funMan
over a year ago

Laois

Very well explained and your probably 100% right

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By *aid backMan
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out

I think the antimaskers should be held down and forcefully vaccinated first.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwilly OP   Man
over a year ago

Tipperary


"I don't think it's going to be your choice to get it but maybe your choice to refuse it, it'll be a criteria list, over 80s and heath care workers firdt, then the over 70s,then the over 60s etc so by the time it reaches your group we might well have reached the 70% heard immunity

Trouble is, if everyone expects others to provide them with herd immunity, it doesn't happen. Plus it's not anticipated that it will provide lifetime immunity..

Yeah I agree that's a risk but I'd be hopeful there's enough sane people who will get it and added to that the little bit of heard immunity that's already built up naturally plus the other vacancies that will come on the market next year should be enough to get us over the line........... What I'm concerned about is the mutations (possibly already haopened in mink) that might cause a whole new pandemic imagine living in a world where you're constantly living a lockdown life of some capacity. it actually doesnt bear thinking about.

Isn't that pretty much the life of of so many people already, the Palestinians come to mind were not Palestinians. were not accustomed to this way of living at all. labered lives businesses closing people loosing their jobs. this lockdown were in now though is very diff to the first one

Get used to it, there will be another surge early in the New Year "
I'd expect people to enjoy xmas alrite.

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By *P_80Man
over a year ago

Waterford


"I think the antimaskers should be held down and forcefully vaccinated first."

Exactly. Anyone who has a different opinion should be forced to conform in a free country

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By *aid backMan
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out


"I think the antimaskers should be held down and forcefully vaccinated first.

Exactly. Anyone who has a different opinion should be forced to conform in a free country "

Only when they are idiots. Plus with the vaccination they wouldn't have to worry about masks

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By *aid backMan
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out


"I think the antimaskers should be held down and forcefully vaccinated first.

Exactly. Anyone who has a different opinion should be forced to conform in a free country "

On a side note do you actually believe we live in a "free" country ?

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By *P_80Man
over a year ago

Waterford


"I think the antimaskers should be held down and forcefully vaccinated first.

Exactly. Anyone who has a different opinion should be forced to conform in a free country

On a side note do you actually believe we live in a "free" country ?"

All I know is at least for now I have the freedom to make my own choices which is more than a lot of people around the world can say

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In a word...No.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No probably not.

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

I hope something works eventually just to get the economy moving again,people back in work and mental health improving

I'll take it absolutely no problem .....I'm in an at risk category and I'd like to think I'd be safer with it than without it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


""Herd immunity" according to the WHO, is achieved by protecting people to a disease, not exposing them. Natural herd immunity doesn't really exist, the disease will kill those vulnerable to it."

So have vaccines have been around forever then ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think the antimaskers should be held down and forcefully vaccinated first."

Forcible vaccinations were outlawed after WW2 at the Nuremberg trials.

You should apply to your local SS branch.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


""Herd immunity" according to the WHO, is achieved by protecting people to a disease, not exposing them. Natural herd immunity doesn't really exist, the disease will kill those vulnerable to it.

So have vaccines have been around forever then ?"

Maybe try reading what I said.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes most definitely!

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By *ineapple_PrincessWoman
over a year ago

in the waves

No.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope.

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By *oadrunner2000Man
over a year ago

city centre


"Hell no , anything brought out the fast can't have been tested for side affects."
the Pfizer one is being tested on 40000 people and the jnj one is being tested on 60000 people. How much more testing do u require...

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast


"Hell no , anything brought out the fast can't have been tested for side affects.the Pfizer one is being tested on 40000 people and the jnj one is being tested on 60000 people. How much more testing do u require... "

Have you heard of thalidomide?

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By *appytoadsCouple
over a year ago

West Dublin

Yes for us

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By *oo32Man
over a year ago

tipperary


"Hell no , anything brought out the fast can't have been tested for side affects.the Pfizer one is being tested on 40000 people and the jnj one is being tested on 60000 people. How much more testing do u require...

Have you heard of thalidomide? "

60 years ago....science and boi tech have come a long long way since then

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By *oo32Man
over a year ago

tipperary


"the covid vaccine if approved. honest answers. "

I'll be getting it

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By *P_80Man
over a year ago

Waterford


"Hell no , anything brought out the fast can't have been tested for side affects.the Pfizer one is being tested on 40000 people and the jnj one is being tested on 60000 people. How much more testing do u require... "

Not a question of how many people in trials, it's a question of long term effects.

I'm not against vaccinations and I'm certainly not against the experts, but I don't feel comfortable with getting a vaccine that will have been produced and put on the market within a year.

I'm gonna wait this one out and see.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We will more then likely get it if its safe. The main word there being safe.

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By *electmaleMan
over a year ago

Dublin

Because it’s not indemnified I’ll wait to see if my pregnant wife and children suffer any side effects first, then, maybe.

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By *yeCandyDublinCouple
over a year ago

Lucan

Suppressed immune system..so yes I will definitely take it, not sure Mr will

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast


"Hell no , anything brought out the fast can't have been tested for side affects.the Pfizer one is being tested on 40000 people and the jnj one is being tested on 60000 people. How much more testing do u require...

Have you heard of thalidomide?

60 years ago....science and boi tech have come a long long way since then"

So have profit margins.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwilly OP   Man
over a year ago

Tipperary

prof o Neill condident it will be their for healthcare workers and the vulnerable elderly early in new year.

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By *oo32Man
over a year ago

tipperary


"Hell no , anything brought out the fast can't have been tested for side affects.the Pfizer one is being tested on 40000 people and the jnj one is being tested on 60000 people. How much more testing do u require...

Have you heard of thalidomide?

60 years ago....science and boi tech have come a long long way since then

So have profit margins. "

Ok...

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By *oo32Man
over a year ago

tipperary


"prof o Neill condident it will be their for healthcare workers and the vulnerable elderly early in new year. "

Hopefully it will be,new plant going ahead in cork for Pfizer's

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By *aid backMan
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out


"I think the antimaskers should be held down and forcefully vaccinated first.

Forcible vaccinations were outlawed after WW2 at the Nuremberg trials.

You should apply to your local SS branch."

I don't think they where. I thought the Nuremberg trials where the trials on Nazis for war crimes. But if you can show me proof of that then I'll stand corrected.

As for joining the SS my political leanings are the total opposite ( I'm a lefty) to Nazism but an overwhelming number of these antimaskers are hardened supporters of yellow vest, the Irish national party etc etc so they'd probably be members already

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By *oo32Man
over a year ago

tipperary


"I think the antimaskers should be held down and forcefully vaccinated first.

Forcible vaccinations were outlawed after WW2 at the Nuremberg trials.

You should apply to your local SS branch.

I don't think they where. I thought the Nuremberg trials where the trials on Nazis for war crimes. But if you can show me proof of that then I'll stand corrected.

As for joining the SS my political leanings are the total opposite ( I'm a lefty) to Nazism but an overwhelming number of these antimaskers are hardened supporters of yellow vest, the Irish national party etc etc so they'd probably be members already "

It's the Nuremberg code...Its a code of ethics that countries have to abide by..

Ie not using humans as experiments

This has nothing to do with the vaccines...so right trial...wrong explanation

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By *rmrspumpCouple
over a year ago

narnia

100%. Also cruising this thread to populate the block list

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By *oxic1998Woman
over a year ago

Belfast


"By the time it is available to all, yes.

Probably looking at end of next year realistically, assuming it is quickly approved.

This, but I insist on the one from Germany. "

This....I'll wait for the german one too

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By *aid backMan
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out


"I think the antimaskers should be held down and forcefully vaccinated first.

Forcible vaccinations were outlawed after WW2 at the Nuremberg trials.

You should apply to your local SS branch.

I don't think they where. I thought the Nuremberg trials where the trials on Nazis for war crimes. But if you can show me proof of that then I'll stand corrected.

As for joining the SS my political leanings are the total opposite ( I'm a lefty) to Nazism but an overwhelming number of these antimaskers are hardened supporters of yellow vest, the Irish national party etc etc so they'd probably be members already

It's the Nuremberg code...Its a code of ethics that countries have to abide by..

Ie not using humans as experiments

This has nothing to do with the vaccines...so right trial...wrong explanation "

So he was completely wrong about forced vaccination being banned.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"the covid vaccine if approved. honest answers. "

Not taking it unless they do the first trials on people from the whole county Dublin....then after seeing their zero effects. I might consider moving away where they don't force people to nothing. So again no!

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

I've no idea it it's legal to force anyone to have a vaccine.. but its definitrly unethical to do so.

The public need to be encouraged through education and data, and other inducements like not needing to wear a mask any more, and lifting of all restrictions.

Holding someone down and forcing an injection in someone would be barbaric.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"100%. Also cruising this thread to populate the block list "

Can I ask why? Just out of curiosity. I mean if you have the vaccine/ inmune why you need to be worried.

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By *oo32Man
over a year ago

tipperary


"I think the antimaskers should be held down and forcefully vaccinated first.

Forcible vaccinations were outlawed after WW2 at the Nuremberg trials.

You should apply to your local SS branch.

I don't think they where. I thought the Nuremberg trials where the trials on Nazis for war crimes. But if you can show me proof of that then I'll stand corrected.

As for joining the SS my political leanings are the total opposite ( I'm a lefty) to Nazism but an overwhelming number of these antimaskers are hardened supporters of yellow vest, the Irish national party etc etc so they'd probably be members already

It's the Nuremberg code...Its a code of ethics that countries have to abide by..

Ie not using humans as experiments

This has nothing to do with the vaccines...so right trial...wrong explanation

So he was completely wrong about forced vaccination being banned. "

Wrong about the Nuremberg thing...

The Nuremberg code is about not using people for medical tests...

Vaccinations have nothing to do with that....

In ireland you cant make people get forced/mandatory vaccinations

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By *oo32Man
over a year ago

tipperary

Anyway folks....smile....get along...and remember...tipp for sam

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwilly OP   Man
over a year ago

Tipperary


"100%. Also cruising this thread to populate the block list

Can I ask why? Just out of curiosity. I mean if you have the vaccine/ inmune why you need to be worried. "
I presume they're blocking people who wont take it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"the covid vaccine if approved. honest answers.

Not taking it unless they do the first trials on people from the whole county Dublin....then after seeing their zero effects. I might consider moving away where they don't force people to nothing. So again no!"
ha! So let Dublin be the Guinea pigs first and if we survive then roll it out!!

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over a year ago


"the covid vaccine if approved. honest answers.

Not taking it unless they do the first trials on people from the whole county Dublin....then after seeing their zero effects. I might consider moving away where they don't force people to nothing. So again no! ha! So let Dublin be the Guinea pigs first and if we survive then roll it out!! "

ok no Dublin. What about Cork people?. Or who would you suggest to be the "guinea pigs"

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By *osmicGateMan
over a year ago

louth

Only 2 million doses being approved initially and they will go to healthcare workers.. Older people and people at risk.. If you're young and healthy don't expect to get a vaccine next year even

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

Sure sign up Cork. We can get a head start on the fully vaccinated fuckparties

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over a year ago


"the covid vaccine if approved. honest answers.

Not taking it unless they do the first trials on people from the whole county Dublin....then after seeing their zero effects. I might consider moving away where they don't force people to nothing. So again no! ha! So let Dublin be the Guinea pigs first and if we survive then roll it out!!

ok no Dublin. What about Cork people?. Or who would you suggest to be the "guinea pigs" "
thanks us poor Dubs suffer enough!!

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork


"Only 2 million doses being approved initially and they will go to healthcare workers.. Older people and people at risk.. If you're young and healthy don't expect to get a vaccine next year even "

Yeah we will be down the list alright.. feedback so far is that it's simple enough to manufacture so hope it wont be quite as long as that for the general public

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By *oo32Man
over a year ago

tipperary


"the covid vaccine if approved. honest answers.

Not taking it unless they do the first trials on people from the whole county Dublin....then after seeing their zero effects. I might consider moving away where they don't force people to nothing. So again no! ha! So let Dublin be the Guinea pigs first and if we survive then roll it out!!

ok no Dublin. What about Cork people?. Or who would you suggest to be the "guinea pigs" "

I'll be a Guinea pig....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sure sign up Cork. We can get a head start on the fully vaccinated fuckparties"

Ha! I can see the "Only vaccinated allowed" coming....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"the covid vaccine if approved. honest answers.

Not taking it unless they do the first trials on people from the whole county Dublin....then after seeing their zero effects. I might consider moving away where they don't force people to nothing. So again no! ha! So let Dublin be the Guinea pigs first and if we survive then roll it out!!

ok no Dublin. What about Cork people?. Or who would you suggest to be the "guinea pigs"

I'll be a Guinea pig...."

Cool Lets us know how it goes please...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sure sign up Cork. We can get a head start on the fully vaccinated fuckparties"
.. And less than 3 hours from Dublin too... Ye WILl the real capital then!!

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By *oxic1998Woman
over a year ago

Belfast

It is peoples choice whether they take it or not but do think it could become compulsory when travelling to another country.

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By *oo32Man
over a year ago

tipperary


"the covid vaccine if approved. honest answers.

Not taking it unless they do the first trials on people from the whole county Dublin....then after seeing their zero effects. I might consider moving away where they don't force people to nothing. So again no! ha! So let Dublin be the Guinea pigs first and if we survive then roll it out!!

ok no Dublin. What about Cork people?. Or who would you suggest to be the "guinea pigs"

I'll be a Guinea pig....

Cool Lets us know how it goes please..."

Itll go great....

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By *ed_AliceWoman
over a year ago

Belfast

Without longitudinal studies of those involved in the trials to date, any adverse side effects will remain an unknown for quite some time.

I want to read some peer-reviewed literature of the trials, not just from Pfizer but from the other pharma companies as they release their products for licencing before making any decision.

I won't have to rush, NI will likely only get doses for c. 250k people & that's only if UK gov get the 20m people's worth of doses of the first run of 30m being produced. Chances of me being eligible for early vaccination are very low.

Biomedical reporting in the media is often inaccurate & misleading so I'll take most of what I've heard on the news with a pinch of salt. Especially given the novel nature of this type of vaccine - gene manipulation in plants is one thing, in people I get twitchy.

Although that could well be because of a steady diet of sci-fi horror since my teens making me biased, rather than any rational reason.

I want this to work & be the silver bullet we need, even if it's like flu & we have to get topped up every year with a prediction for what strain is around. But this feels too rushed

TLDR - in principle yes but don't know, need more info

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It is peoples choice whether they take it or not but do think it could become compulsory when travelling to another country. "
Absolutely. And i travel a bit for work so can't see going anywhere without it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Without longitudinal studies of those involved in the trials to date, any adverse side effects will remain an unknown for quite some time.

I want to read some peer-reviewed literature of the trials, not just from Pfizer but from the other pharma companies as they release their products for licencing before making any decision.

I won't have to rush, NI will likely only get doses for c. 250k people & that's only if UK gov get the 20m people's worth of doses of the first run of 30m being produced. Chances of me being eligible for early vaccination are very low.

Biomedical reporting in the media is often inaccurate & misleading so I'll take most of what I've heard on the news with a pinch of salt. Especially given the novel nature of this type of vaccine - gene manipulation in plants is one thing, in people I get twitchy.

Although that could well be because of a steady diet of sci-fi horror since my teens making me biased, rather than any rational reason.

I want this to work & be the silver bullet we need, even if it's like flu & we have to get topped up every year with a prediction for what strain is around. But this feels too rushed

TLDR - in principle yes but don't know, need more info"

Amen to this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Many are saying it is too rushed. But what are people basing this on? Is the duration of vaccine development considered general knowledge? I wouldnt have a clue.

I do know that they develop a new flu vaccine annually... so I'd have though it can realistically be done in a year, and sped to some extent with extra resources.

Anyway, I'm assuming the US and UK will get the first helpings, so we wont have to worry about being guinea pigs.

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork


"Many are saying it is too rushed. But what are people basing this on? Is the duration of vaccine development considered general knowledge? I wouldnt have a clue.

I do know that they develop a new flu vaccine annually... so I'd have though it can realistically be done in a year, and sped to some extent with extra resources.

Anyway, I'm assuming the US and UK will get the first helpings, so we wont have to worry about being guinea pigs."

I'm no expert on this... but I've listened to the opinions of several experts today, and the consensus is that this vaccine has undergone exactly the same testing as other vaccines do, but that the timescales was accelerated due to the crisis. That is to say that all the same necessary tasks were done, but money and manpower was thrown at the task in order to complete as early as possible. They did the same stuff as normal in a shorter time.

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By *aiseanagusspraoiMan
over a year ago

city

I'm taken it for sure. Every day of I have to..

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By *inaandterryCouple
over a year ago

Westmeath

I get the flu jab every year so another prick won't hurt x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What would anyone’s reason be for not taking it?

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere


"What would anyone’s reason be for not taking it?"

Cause Bill Gates is putting a microchip into you with every dose silly

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By *eta74Woman
over a year ago

Dublin

Yes x

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By *assion and MoreCouple
over a year ago

Here and There, Monaghan


"Hell no , anything brought out the fast can't have been tested for side affects."

I can see a future where you can't fly, stay in a hotel, go to a gig with the certificate of being vaccinated. Enjoy isolation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What would anyone’s reason be for not taking it?"

Side effects

No thanks!

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwilly OP   Man
over a year ago

Tipperary


"What would anyone’s reason be for not taking it?"
afraid of it.

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By *avie tCouple
over a year ago

otherside of nowhere

Not sure yet...but i will have plenty of time to consider it as it won't be available to everyone for some time...

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By *P_80Man
over a year ago

Waterford


"What would anyone’s reason be for not taking it?"

If everyone else gets it I won't need to

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of course. It's got a 90% successes rate which is great, especially considering we set the bar at 50%

The remaining 10% does not mean you'll have severe symptoms either, maybe a sniffle.

They have so much to lose by putting out a rushed vaccine, so I do trust it is up to code.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Won't be taking it till i see more results and side effects. I personally don't believe the success rates published. It's all about sales and the fat cats pockets at the end of the day

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Have you heard of thalidomide? "

Was just discussing that with my friend in the "area".

I would always use that as devil's advocate as reason to tread carefully with new therapy.

My thoughts are that Thalidomide is such a strange molocule comparatively. it messed up because some of the molecules made were turned another way. Pfizers vaccine would be a envalope of a virus and nothing more. The most and of course it would be bad but an auto immune reaction. But just far less potential for bad things.

40000 would be a great sample size.

Also avoid many media's terrible reviews of stuff that spread fear. Like when they reported a vaccine trial being paused because a guy died. He was part of the placebo group. You can see how misinformation can spread this way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Won't be taking it till i see more results and side effects. I personally don't believe the success rates published. It's all about sales and the fat cats pockets at the end of the day"

Also a thing to note A mistake at this magnitude would be catastrophic for a company so they will do a LOT to avoid that.

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By *rmrspumpCouple
over a year ago

narnia


"100%. Also cruising this thread to populate the block list

Can I ask why? Just out of curiosity. I mean if you have the vaccine/ inmune why you need to be worried. "

Have nothing against people with genuine concerns, and obviously we'd be looking for evidence of robust testing prior to getting any vaccination. However, conspiranauts and anti-vaxxers are, quite simply, fucking idiots and we will have nothing to do with them

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

"conspiranauts"

I'm totally gonna steal that word

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over a year ago


"100%. Also cruising this thread to populate the block list

Can I ask why? Just out of curiosity. I mean if you have the vaccine/ inmune why you need to be worried.

Have nothing against people with genuine concerns, and obviously we'd be looking for evidence of robust testing prior to getting any vaccination. However, conspiranauts and anti-vaxxers are, quite simply, fucking idiots and we will have nothing to do with them"

They're worse than that, dangerous idiots spreading rumour and lies which influence others and prevent them getting themselves and their children immunised.

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By *rmrspumpCouple
over a year ago

narnia


""conspiranauts"

I'm totally gonna steal that word

"

You're welcome

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwilly OP   Man
over a year ago

Tipperary

relation doesn't have too self isolate for 10 days and her close contacts for 2 weeks if test result is negative. can proceed as normal once his slight fever goes.

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By *antra MassageMan
over a year ago

South Side.


"I don't think it's going to be your choice to get it but maybe your choice to refuse it, it'll be a criteria list, over 80s and heath care workers firdt, then the over 70s,then the over 60s etc so by the time it reaches your group we might well have reached the 70% heard immunity

Trouble is, if everyone expects others to provide them with herd immunity, it doesn't happen. Plus it's not anticipated that it will provide lifetime immunity..

Yeah I agree that's a risk but I'd be hopeful there's enough sane people who will get it and added to that the little bit of heard immunity that's already built up naturally plus the other vacancies that will come on the market next year should be enough to get us over the line........... What I'm concerned about is the mutations (possibly already haopened in mink) that might cause a whole new pandemic imagine living in a world where you're constantly living a lockdown life of some capacity. it actually doesnt bear thinking about."

That's reality for millions living in refugee camps.

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By *verage Joe BlackMan
over a year ago

Border Area


"the covid vaccine if approved. honest answers. "

Nope. I have an immune system and thank God I’m fit, healthy and no underlying issues that compromise my bodies ability to fight bacteria and viruses.

I’m lucky. Others aren’t and need any help they can get.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm a little bit iffy tbh. Not being pessimistic but... I'm sure there's side effects

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By *rmrspumpCouple
over a year ago

narnia


"the covid vaccine if approved. honest answers.

Nope. I have an immune system and thank God I’m fit, healthy and no underlying issues that compromise my bodies ability to fight bacteria and viruses.

I’m lucky. Others aren’t and need any help they can get. "

You do realise that as a novel virus you have no immunity to this virus? Also you can pass it to others, others that may not be so lucky to be as fit and healthy as you?

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By *rianSthDubMan
over a year ago

dun laoghaire

Personally I will wait. There are 200 companies working on treatments and about 10 vaccines well down the road to development. Included in the 10 are 3-4 types which differ in how they deliver the protection we need. Some are RNA types that interfere with your DNA.. No thanks. Also a vaccine can take 10+ years to develop, trial etc before it is deemed safe.... Not 10 months...

but you can be assured that the political decision will be made making the first one available to be provided to everyone.... Just look at the number of cases before and going to the courts where our government decided to give up its right to seek damages to the drug company and any possible recourse in order to get the swine flu vaccine right away in sufficient quantity, and we have over 100 cases of damages for narcolepsy.....

I don't intend to be first in line...

Sorry I post occasionally but never this long a post..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Absolutely yes!

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By *verage Joe BlackMan
over a year ago

Border Area


"the covid vaccine if approved. honest answers.

Nope. I have an immune system and thank God I’m fit, healthy and no underlying issues that compromise my bodies ability to fight bacteria and viruses.

I’m lucky. Others aren’t and need any help they can get.

You do realise that as a novel virus you have no immunity to this virus? Also you can pass it to others, others that may not be so lucky to be as fit and healthy as you? "

...I, like all other people in the world, have no immunity to anything (not just coronavirus) until my body comes in contact with it, immune system attacks it and builds an immune response.

We get sick. We get better. It’s been that way for 1000s of years and we’re still here. We humans are a pretty resilient bunch.

Science and medical intervention should be preserved and protected then prioritized for those in society with low functioning immune systems.

And you’re absolutely right: it will be with us now and continue to spread until everyone has an immuno response. The sooner we get that, the better.

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By *ubeMan
over a year ago

Drogheda

I will be getting it when its available I'm sick of lockdown and not being able to live my life, if there are side effects I can cross that bridge if I have to, there is only so long you one can be alone.

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By *rmrspumpCouple
over a year ago

narnia


"the covid vaccine if approved. honest answers.

Nope. I have an immune system and thank God I’m fit, healthy and no underlying issues that compromise my bodies ability to fight bacteria and viruses.

I’m lucky. Others aren’t and need any help they can get.

You do realise that as a novel virus you have no immunity to this virus? Also you can pass it to others, others that may not be so lucky to be as fit and healthy as you?

...I, like all other people in the world, have no immunity to anything (not just coronavirus) until my body comes in contact with it, immune system attacks it and builds an immune response.

We get sick. We get better. It’s been that way for 1000s of years and we’re still here. We humans are a pretty resilient bunch.

Science and medical intervention should be preserved and protected then prioritized for those in society with low functioning immune systems.

And you’re absolutely right: it will be with us now and continue to spread until everyone has an immuno response. The sooner we get that, the better."

The question was would you take it, to which you answered nope, that's not quite "I'll wait and let those who need the vaccine most get it, but once it's widely available I'll be a responsible member of society and get it so that I'm not risking the lives of others by contracting the virus and spreading it to others" now is it..

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By *anKinkyMan
over a year ago

Carrick on Shannon

Most definitely Yes, sleeve rolled up ready and waiting

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"100%. Also cruising this thread to populate the block list

Can I ask why? Just out of curiosity. I mean if you have the vaccine/ inmune why you need to be worried.

Have nothing against people with genuine concerns, and obviously we'd be looking for evidence of robust testing prior to getting any vaccination. However, conspiranauts and anti-vaxxers are, quite simply, fucking idiots and we will have nothing to do with them"

The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act, passed in 1986, was intended to bolster vaccine research and development through the federal coordination of vaccine initiatives and to provide relief to vaccine manufacturers facing FINACIAL BURDENS!. The legislation also intended to address concerns about the safety of vaccines by instituting a COMPENSATION PROGRAM!, setting up a passive surveillance system for vaccine adverse events. A key component of the legislation required the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services to collaborate with the Institute of Medicine to assess concerns about the safety of vaccines and potential adverse events, ESPECIALLY IN CHILDREN!!. Adverse Effects of Vaccines reviews the epidemiological, clinical, and biological evidence regarding adverse health events associated with specific vaccines covered by the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP), including the varicella zoster vaccine, influenza vaccines, the hepatitis B vaccine, and the human papillomavirus vaccine, among others. For each possible adverse event, the report reviews peer-reviewed primary studies, summarizes their findings, and evaluates the epidemiological, clinical, and biological evidence. It finds that while no vaccine is 100 percent safe, very few adverse events are shown to be caused by vaccines.

So the "few" are the ones you call fucking idiots antivaxers conspiranauts. People like you is happy to sacrifice in every way possible the minorities as if they were not important. Maybe the majority of the population will accept the vaccine with few or no side effects. But who cares about those who will get severe effects and even die, they are the fucking idiots right? but thats ok because the rest of the world will be safe. It's the same with all the other minorities they don't matter they are fucking idiots. Homeless, sick people, who already died. People with disabilities. Women, refugees "Third world countries". I'm not really surprised but truly disapointed, I know The system is fed by people who think this way and its far from changing any time soon...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I forgot to say that in a world with a current Population of 7,825,013,976 souls, "few" is really a huge number

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By *rmrspumpCouple
over a year ago

narnia


"100%. Also cruising this thread to populate the block list

Can I ask why? Just out of curiosity. I mean if you have the vaccine/ inmune why you need to be worried.

Have nothing against people with genuine concerns, and obviously we'd be looking for evidence of robust testing prior to getting any vaccination. However, conspiranauts and anti-vaxxers are, quite simply, fucking idiots and we will have nothing to do with them

The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act, passed in 1986, was intended to bolster vaccine research and development through the federal coordination of vaccine initiatives and to provide relief to vaccine manufacturers facing FINACIAL BURDENS!. The legislation also intended to address concerns about the safety of vaccines by instituting a COMPENSATION PROGRAM!, setting up a passive surveillance system for vaccine adverse events. A key component of the legislation required the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services to collaborate with the Institute of Medicine to assess concerns about the safety of vaccines and potential adverse events, ESPECIALLY IN CHILDREN!!. Adverse Effects of Vaccines reviews the epidemiological, clinical, and biological evidence regarding adverse health events associated with specific vaccines covered by the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP), including the varicella zoster vaccine, influenza vaccines, the hepatitis B vaccine, and the human papillomavirus vaccine, among others. For each possible adverse event, the report reviews peer-reviewed primary studies, summarizes their findings, and evaluates the epidemiological, clinical, and biological evidence. It finds that while no vaccine is 100 percent safe, very few adverse events are shown to be caused by vaccines.

So the "few" are the ones you call fucking idiots antivaxers conspiranauts. People like you is happy to sacrifice in every way possible the minorities as if they were not important. Maybe the majority of the population will accept the vaccine with few or no side effects. But who cares about those who will get severe effects and even die, they are the fucking idiots right? but thats ok because the rest of the world will be safe. It's the same with all the other minorities they don't matter they are fucking idiots. Homeless, sick people, who already died. People with disabilities. Women, refugees "Third world countries". I'm not really surprised but truly disapointed, I know The system is fed by people who think this way and its far from changing any time soon..."

Ladies and gentlemen, I rest my case..

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By *verage Joe BlackMan
over a year ago

Border Area


"100%. Also cruising this thread to populate the block list

Can I ask why? Just out of curiosity. I mean if you have the vaccine/ inmune why you need to be worried.

Have nothing against people with genuine concerns, and obviously we'd be looking for evidence of robust testing prior to getting any vaccination. However, conspiranauts and anti-vaxxers are, quite simply, fucking idiots and we will have nothing to do with them

The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act, passed in 1986, was intended to bolster vaccine research and development through the federal coordination of vaccine initiatives and to provide relief to vaccine manufacturers facing FINACIAL BURDENS!. The legislation also intended to address concerns about the safety of vaccines by instituting a COMPENSATION PROGRAM!, setting up a passive surveillance system for vaccine adverse events. A key component of the legislation required the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services to collaborate with the Institute of Medicine to assess concerns about the safety of vaccines and potential adverse events, ESPECIALLY IN CHILDREN!!. Adverse Effects of Vaccines reviews the epidemiological, clinical, and biological evidence regarding adverse health events associated with specific vaccines covered by the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP), including the varicella zoster vaccine, influenza vaccines, the hepatitis B vaccine, and the human papillomavirus vaccine, among others. For each possible adverse event, the report reviews peer-reviewed primary studies, summarizes their findings, and evaluates the epidemiological, clinical, and biological evidence. It finds that while no vaccine is 100 percent safe, very few adverse events are shown to be caused by vaccines.

So the "few" are the ones you call fucking idiots antivaxers conspiranauts. People like you is happy to sacrifice in every way possible the minorities as if they were not important. Maybe the majority of the population will accept the vaccine with few or no side effects. But who cares about those who will get severe effects and even die, they are the fucking idiots right? but thats ok because the rest of the world will be safe. It's the same with all the other minorities they don't matter they are fucking idiots. Homeless, sick people, who already died. People with disabilities. Women, refugees "Third world countries". I'm not really surprised but truly disapointed, I know The system is fed by people who think this way and its far from changing any time soon..."

A very coherent point, well made, with information sources provided to illustrate your point.

Respect and admiration for not being a tunnel visioned fool.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"the covid vaccine if approved. honest answers. "

Yup..

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By *oserMan
over a year ago

where the wild roses grow


"the covid vaccine if approved. honest answers.

Nope. I have an immune system and thank God I’m fit, healthy and no underlying issues that compromise my bodies ability to fight bacteria and viruses.

I’m lucky. Others aren’t and need any help they can get. "

Yet you imply they are fools on a later comment Joe?

Or am I reading you wrong?

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By *verage Joe BlackMan
over a year ago

Border Area


"the covid vaccine if approved. honest answers.

Nope. I have an immune system and thank God I’m fit, healthy and no underlying issues that compromise my bodies ability to fight bacteria and viruses.

I’m lucky. Others aren’t and need any help they can get.

Yet you imply they are fools on a later comment Joe?

Or am I reading you wrong?"

Reading it wrong Yoser. I’m saying that anyone who doesn’t respect someone else’s opinion and belief is a fool.

They may not agree with it, but consistently trying to shove your beliefs down someone else’s throat and attacking other people because they don’t agree with you is probably foolish at best and spitefully toxic at worst.

Whether people get the vaccine - or want it - is up to them, as is when they choose to get it if they do.

Demonizing people for different beliefs is not cool..

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By *oserMan
over a year ago

where the wild roses grow


"the covid vaccine if approved. honest answers.

Nope. I have an immune system and thank God I’m fit, healthy and no underlying issues that compromise my bodies ability to fight bacteria and viruses.

I’m lucky. Others aren’t and need any help they can get.

Yet you imply they are fools on a later comment Joe?

Or am I reading you wrong?

Reading it wrong Yoser. I’m saying that anyone who doesn’t respect someone else’s opinion and belief is a fool.

They may not agree with it, but consistently trying to shove your beliefs down someone else’s throat and attacking other people because they don’t agree with you is probably foolish at best and spitefully toxic at worst.

Whether people get the vaccine - or want it - is up to them, as is when they choose to get it if they do.

Demonizing people for different beliefs is not cool.."

Yep guessed as much.

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By *assion and MoreCouple
over a year ago

Here and There, Monaghan


"

Have you heard of thalidomide?

Was just discussing that with my friend in the "area".

I would always use that as devil's advocate as reason to tread carefully with new therapy.

My thoughts are that Thalidomide is such a strange molocule comparatively. it messed up because some of the molecules made were turned another way. Pfizers vaccine would be a envalope of a virus and nothing more. The most and of course it would be bad but an auto immune reaction. But just far less potential for bad things.

40000 would be a great sample size.

Also avoid many media's terrible reviews of stuff that spread fear. Like when they reported a vaccine trial being paused because a guy died. He was part of the placebo group. You can see how misinformation can spread this way."

Thalidomide, that was in the 60's, over 50 years ago, it was also not a vaccine and it is still being used today to treat skin conditions and cancers. Medical science has taken exponential advances in that tine. All medications have the potential to have serious side effects, albeit in rare circumstances.

I find it weird that people are so anti vaccine, yet engage in risky behaviours that are known, beyond responsible doubt, to have serious consequences, smoking, drinking, poor diet etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Youngsters in Ireland...

No way am I taking the vaccine, who knows what side effects it might have!!

*Later that night* Sure ill take those pills you bought of a random rickshaw driver on Grafton st :/

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By *inxnmasterCouple
over a year ago

naughty valley


"I am not averse to vaccines but I would like to see this tested in the long-term before going near it. It is after all, an experimental vaccine using gene-modifying methods that have never been used on people before.

I am guessing that it will be increasingly difficult to participate fully in society if you don't get it at some stage tho."

This !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I am not averse to vaccines but I would like to see this tested in the long-term before going near it. It is after all, an experimental vaccine using gene-modifying methods that have never been used on people before.

I am guessing that it will be increasingly difficult to participate fully in society if you don't get it at some stage tho.

This ! "

Agreed

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By *etergemmaCouple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

I certainly would have no problem taking it down the road but not in next year or two.

However, if i fell in the vulnerable category i would absolutely not hesitate when it becomes available.

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By *rotic desiresWoman
over a year ago

Here and there


"100%. Also cruising this thread to populate the block list

Can I ask why? Just out of curiosity. I mean if you have the vaccine/ inmune why you need to be worried.

Have nothing against people with genuine concerns, and obviously we'd be looking for evidence of robust testing prior to getting any vaccination. However, conspiranauts and anti-vaxxers are, quite simply, fucking idiots and we will have nothing to do with them

The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act, passed in 1986, was intended to bolster vaccine research and development through the federal coordination of vaccine initiatives and to provide relief to vaccine manufacturers facing FINACIAL BURDENS!. The legislation also intended to address concerns about the safety of vaccines by instituting a COMPENSATION PROGRAM!, setting up a passive surveillance system for vaccine adverse events. A key component of the legislation required the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services to collaborate with the Institute of Medicine to assess concerns about the safety of vaccines and potential adverse events, ESPECIALLY IN CHILDREN!!. Adverse Effects of Vaccines reviews the epidemiological, clinical, and biological evidence regarding adverse health events associated with specific vaccines covered by the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP), including the varicella zoster vaccine, influenza vaccines, the hepatitis B vaccine, and the human papillomavirus vaccine, among others. For each possible adverse event, the report reviews peer-reviewed primary studies, summarizes their findings, and evaluates the epidemiological, clinical, and biological evidence. It finds that while no vaccine is 100 percent safe, very few adverse events are shown to be caused by vaccines.

So the "few" are the ones you call fucking idiots antivaxers conspiranauts. People like you is happy to sacrifice in every way possible the minorities as if they were not important. Maybe the majority of the population will accept the vaccine with few or no side effects. But who cares about those who will get severe effects and even die, they are the fucking idiots right? but thats ok because the rest of the world will be safe. It's the same with all the other minorities they don't matter they are fucking idiots. Homeless, sick people, who already died. People with disabilities. Women, refugees "Third world countries". I'm not really surprised but truly disapointed, I know The system is fed by people who think this way and its far from changing any time soon...

Ladies and gentlemen, I rest my case.. "

Hear, hear!!! Thank you so much for that contribution, speaking from my heart.

And to add, the US government has put in place liability immunity for those manufacturing, distributing and administering any medical countermeasures for Covid 19, published on the federal gov website, published mid March, but came into effect the beginning of February, only days after the WHO called a global crisis.

Now I have to admit I know nothing about this kind of policy making but would make me very wary of due diligence during clinical trials, and given the power of the pharmaceutical industry, the fact that meds are always needed, a little negligence along the way to make big bucks where you can't be held accountable is seriously questionable!

It looks very much like Europe is going to follow suit, certainly in parts...so any of those taking the vaccine who will suffer medium or long term effects, don't be looking for compensation because it's a long and difficult process.

Only last week was a settlement for narcolepsy in a child associated with the swine flu vaccine with no admission of liability in Ireland. A vaccine researched, manufactured and put to market in well under a year!

So, given the short space of time to research and find mid and long term side effects, I say, no thank you at this point in time.

And where the Astra Zeneca vaccine is concerned, one of the stages of clinical trials showed a temporary (they didn't specify the length of time) decrease in white blood cell count, also known as neutropenia, which would leave some susceptible to other infection during that time. Given that the vaccine will initially be rolled out to the elderly and immuno suppressed, again, I would have concerns.

This can be readily researched on the internet, by the way, with reputable sources.

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast


"

Have you heard of thalidomide?

Was just discussing that with my friend in the "area".

I would always use that as devil's advocate as reason to tread carefully with new therapy.

My thoughts are that Thalidomide is such a strange molocule comparatively. it messed up because some of the molecules made were turned another way. Pfizers vaccine would be a envalope of a virus and nothing more. The most and of course it would be bad but an auto immune reaction. But just far less potential for bad things.

40000 would be a great sample size.

Also avoid many media's terrible reviews of stuff that spread fear. Like when they reported a vaccine trial being paused because a guy died. He was part of the placebo group. You can see how misinformation can spread this way.

Thalidomide, that was in the 60's, over 50 years ago, it was also not a vaccine and it is still being used today to treat skin conditions and cancers. Medical science has taken exponential advances in that tine. All medications have the potential to have serious side effects, albeit in rare circumstances.

I find it weird that people are so anti vaccine, yet engage in risky behaviours that are known, beyond responsible doubt, to have serious consequences, smoking, drinking, poor diet etc."

I was the one to mention thalidomide on here. I'm not anti vaccine at all and I don't smoke, drink or have a poor diet.

I have no doubt that it will be at least a year before I am offered any vaccine and my only issue is that we are expected to accept it as a "safe" option even though we are all aware of accelerated research, trials and production.

Yes thalidomide is still used now but try telling those thousands of parents that it's perfectly fine and they'd just put the wrong label on the bottle back then.

I suffer long term health issues as a direct result of misinformation given 16 years ago in regards to meds that are used in this country every single day and are without doubt beneficial.

It's not life threatening but it involves daily monitoring and awareness and is more of an annoyance than anything else but that's how easily people's lives can be changed if they're not given the correct information.

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By *verage Joe BlackMan
over a year ago

Border Area


"

Have you heard of thalidomide?

Was just discussing that with my friend in the "area".

I would always use that as devil's advocate as reason to tread carefully with new therapy.

My thoughts are that Thalidomide is such a strange molocule comparatively. it messed up because some of the molecules made were turned another way. Pfizers vaccine would be a envalope of a virus and nothing more. The most and of course it would be bad but an auto immune reaction. But just far less potential for bad things.

40000 would be a great sample size.

Also avoid many media's terrible reviews of stuff that spread fear. Like when they reported a vaccine trial being paused because a guy died. He was part of the placebo group. You can see how misinformation can spread this way.

Thalidomide, that was in the 60's, over 50 years ago, it was also not a vaccine and it is still being used today to treat skin conditions and cancers. Medical science has taken exponential advances in that tine. All medications have the potential to have serious side effects, albeit in rare circumstances.

I find it weird that people are so anti vaccine, yet engage in risky behaviours that are known, beyond responsible doubt, to have serious consequences, smoking, drinking, poor diet etc.

I was the one to mention thalidomide on here. I'm not anti vaccine at all and I don't smoke, drink or have a poor diet.

I have no doubt that it will be at least a year before I am offered any vaccine and my only issue is that we are expected to accept it as a "safe" option even though we are all aware of accelerated research, trials and production.

Yes thalidomide is still used now but try telling those thousands of parents that it's perfectly fine and they'd just put the wrong label on the bottle back then.

I suffer long term health issues as a direct result of misinformation given 16 years ago in regards to meds that are used in this country every single day and are without doubt beneficial.

It's not life threatening but it involves daily monitoring and awareness and is more of an annoyance than anything else but that's how easily people's lives can be changed if they're not given the correct information. "

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast


"

Have you heard of thalidomide?

Was just discussing that with my friend in the "area".

I would always use that as devil's advocate as reason to tread carefully with new therapy.

My thoughts are that Thalidomide is such a strange molocule comparatively. it messed up because some of the molecules made were turned another way. Pfizers vaccine would be a envalope of a virus and nothing more. The most and of course it would be bad but an auto immune reaction. But just far less potential for bad things.

40000 would be a great sample size.

Also avoid many media's terrible reviews of stuff that spread fear. Like when they reported a vaccine trial being paused because a guy died. He was part of the placebo group. You can see how misinformation can spread this way.

Thalidomide, that was in the 60's, over 50 years ago, it was also not a vaccine and it is still being used today to treat skin conditions and cancers. Medical science has taken exponential advances in that tine. All medications have the potential to have serious side effects, albeit in rare circumstances.

I find it weird that people are so anti vaccine, yet engage in risky behaviours that are known, beyond responsible doubt, to have serious consequences, smoking, drinking, poor diet etc.

I was the one to mention thalidomide on here. I'm not anti vaccine at all and I don't smoke, drink or have a poor diet.

I have no doubt that it will be at least a year before I am offered any vaccine and my only issue is that we are expected to accept it as a "safe" option even though we are all aware of accelerated research, trials and production.

Yes thalidomide is still used now but try telling those thousands of parents that it's perfectly fine and they'd just put the wrong label on the bottle back then.

I suffer long term health issues as a direct result of misinformation given 16 years ago in regards to meds that are used in this country every single day and are without doubt beneficial.

It's not life threatening but it involves daily monitoring and awareness and is more of an annoyance than anything else but that's how easily people's lives can be changed if they're not given the correct information. "

I'm not a medical or pharmaceutical expert, in fact I don't class myself as an expert in any particular field which is why I never post in threads like this.

Even if I was to understand half of the arguments being put forward in regard to covid or Brexit or any of the other hot topics of the day, my decisions are not going to be influenced by anonymous armchair experts on an internet forum.

The art of debating is lost on many people on here who have one opinion but no respect for any others.

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

I'll take it because I'm in at risk category and I'd hate to die in a hospital bed that way.

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By *oft_sexy_sweetWoman
over a year ago

Dublin


"Youngsters in Ireland...

No way am I taking the vaccine, who knows what side effects it might have!!

*Later that night* Sure ill take those pills you bought of a random rickshaw driver on Grafton st :/"

My favourite is watching influencer Mams with faces full of Juvaderm fillers and Botox RANT about the evils of big pharma and "sheep" blindly letting Pfizer inject ANYTHING into them, etc etc...

I'll definitely be getting the vaccine as soon as it's available to me

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwilly OP   Man
over a year ago

Tipperary

I feel very sorry for young people in all this. it's the time to be living freely, doing everything u want in life, experimenting, partying like a lunatic. they're now been labelled this that and the other if they put a foot wrong. I also know older people with small ailments like been diabetic ,blood pressure issues etc all trying to live as freely as possible. they're not hiding away. people saying to me this lockdown is alot harder then the first. the patience is wearing thin.

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By *oft_sexy_sweetWoman
over a year ago

Dublin


"I feel very sorry for young people in all this. it's the time to be living freely, doing everything u want in life, experimenting, partying like a lunatic. they're now been labelled this that and the other if they put a foot wrong. I also know older people with small ailments like been diabetic ,blood pressure issues etc all trying to live as freely as possible. they're not hiding away. people saying to me this lockdown is alot harder then the first. the patience is wearing thin. "

It's been eight months. Young people will be grand.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwilly OP   Man
over a year ago

Tipperary


"I feel very sorry for young people in all this. it's the time to be living freely, doing everything u want in life, experimenting, partying like a lunatic. they're now been labelled this that and the other if they put a foot wrong. I also know older people with small ailments like been diabetic ,blood pressure issues etc all trying to live as freely as possible. they're not hiding away. people saying to me this lockdown is alot harder then the first. the patience is wearing thin.

It's been eight months. Young people will be grand. "
8 months with no end in sight is my point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I feel very sorry for young people in all this. it's the time to be living freely, doing everything u want in life, experimenting, partying like a lunatic. they're now been labelled this that and the other if they put a foot wrong. I also know older people with small ailments like been diabetic ,blood pressure issues etc all trying to live as freely as possible. they're not hiding away. people saying to me this lockdown is alot harder then the first. the patience is wearing thin. "

I can't imagine how shit college would be if all you had was online classes and working from your parents home.

Without any of the social activities to make new friends, and that first chance to become more independent and realise who you really are.

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By *rmrspumpCouple
over a year ago

narnia


"I feel very sorry for young people in all this. it's the time to be living freely, doing everything u want in life, experimenting, partying like a lunatic. they're now been labelled this that and the other if they put a foot wrong. I also know older people with small ailments like been diabetic ,blood pressure issues etc all trying to live as freely as possible. they're not hiding away. people saying to me this lockdown is alot harder then the first. the patience is wearing thin.

I can't imagine how shit college would be if all you had was online classes and working from your parents home.

Without any of the social activities to make new friends, and that first chance to become more independent and realise who you really are."

Other generations of young ones have lived through worse to be fair..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No!

Unless get forced to. But Kitty propably would as she believes in all this covid scam..."

COVID SCAM???? OH LORD HELP US.

Save the vaccine for those who are not idiots

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm alright, thanks

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By *asmeenTV/TS
over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

Yes

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Yes, unless my doctor tells me not to.

I'm signed up for a clinical trial too

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By *asmeenTV/TS
over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT


"Yes, unless my doctor tells me not to.

I'm signed up for a clinical trial too

"

Xxx well done xx

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By *rmrspumpCouple
over a year ago

narnia

If you refuse to take the vaccine, we'll that's up to you, but you should have to pay for any medical treatment related to covid, denied access to flights, public transport etc..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes..

I want out of lockdown too.

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By *rcadian110Couple
over a year ago

Barnsley

Rhi and I are both happy to take it. We don't mind that it's been put through fast. We just want our lives back. At the min this isn't living. If it has side effects it's still worth it for us even if that's just by showing the medical community what needs to be fixed.

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By *irty_DeedsMan
over a year ago

Teesside

Probably not. I've already had COVID and it was pretty mild, odds are any future infection(if possible) will be similar or less severe.

I'll wait and see what the research on reinfection says.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Probably will

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

This 1 or the Oxford 1 are the likely spring candidates for us. Subject to reviewing the evidence for them, I will be open to it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If it gets approved and tested that it actually works, then I'll get it!

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By *all me FlikWoman
over a year ago

Galaxy Far Far Away

100% yes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes at my age deffo

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By *rjimMan
over a year ago

nr bristol

The Gov has agreed that the drug companies are exempt from being prosecuted.

And this is Pfizers wonderful record on vaccines and drugs developed over the normal 4 year term.

"Pfizer faces a growing number of lawsuits in 2018 involving some of its most popular drugs"

"Pfizer set a record for the largest health care fraud settlement and the largest criminal fine of any kind with $2.3 billion in 2009"

"In 2013, Pfizer agreed to pay $55 million to settle criminal charges. The U.S. Department of Justice said Wyeth promoted Protonix for unapproved uses in 2000 and 2001"

"Nearly 10,000 women filed Prempro breast cancer lawsuits against Pfizer. By 2012, Pfizer settled most of the claims for more than $1 billion"

"In 2011, Pfizer paid $700,000 to four families who lost children during the Trovan trials"

And you want to trust these drug companies with your health ?

I would rather trust Delboy and Rodde

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By *hortarseWoman
over a year ago

Norfolk

No I don't get the flu why would I need this one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No I don't get the flu why would I need this one."

You’ll know when you’ve got the flu

Even your hair hurts

I’ve had flu twice and each time I thought I was going to die

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

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By *rmrspumpCouple
over a year ago

narnia


"No I don't get the flu why would I need this one."

Because it's not the flu..?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"No I don't get the flu why would I need this one."

"I'm fortunate enough not to have contracted any of the Orthomyxoviridae (flu), so I don't need protection against a corona virus (Covid-19)"

It's a bit like saying I'm not allergic to dogs so I can't be allergic to cats. (Or that I'm not allergic to dogs, so I shouldn't be careful about cat allergies including when they hurt other people)

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"the covid vaccine if approved. honest answers. "
Yes yes yes

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands


"No I don't get the flu why would I need this one."

Spat my tea out lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No I don't get the flu why would I need this one.

"I'm fortunate enough not to have contracted any of the Orthomyxoviridae (flu), so I don't need protection against a corona virus (Covid-19)"

It's a bit like saying I'm not allergic to dogs so I can't be allergic to cats. (Or that I'm not allergic to dogs, so I shouldn't be careful about cat allergies including when they hurt other people)"

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By *elma and ShaggyCouple
over a year ago

Bedworth

Given the anaphylactic reaction I had when I had the flu jab, I would be very unlikely to agree to having a covid vaccine unless it was being administered in a hospital setting where I could be given emergency treatment if needed

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

We'd both happily have it, but it's unlikely to be offered to under 50's

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By *9alMan
over a year ago

Bridgend

I will take it as soon as I can I am over 60 & recently had a heart attack

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Given the anaphylactic reaction I had when I had the flu jab, I would be very unlikely to agree to having a covid vaccine unless it was being administered in a hospital setting where I could be given emergency treatment if needed"

Are you allergic to eggs?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"We'd both happily have it, but it's unlikely to be offered to under 50's "

I suspect it will be eventually. When it is I will. I'll wait, I realise my need isn't as high as some others.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Given the anaphylactic reaction I had when I had the flu jab, I would be very unlikely to agree to having a covid vaccine unless it was being administered in a hospital setting where I could be given emergency treatment if needed

Are you allergic to eggs?"

I've got severe vaccine reaction in my immediate family. I've never had a problem, but I'll definitely be asking.

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By *9alMan
over a year ago

Bridgend

I will take it as soon as I can I am over 60 & recently had a heart attack

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By *elma and ShaggyCouple
over a year ago

Bedworth


"Given the anaphylactic reaction I had when I had the flu jab, I would be very unlikely to agree to having a covid vaccine unless it was being administered in a hospital setting where I could be given emergency treatment if needed

Are you allergic to eggs?"

Nope. Keep chickens in the garden and eat loads when they aren’t freeloading

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