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We will still be locking down this time next year - Change my mind.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

We will still be locking down next year as like the flu this bug can't be beaten, we need to learn to live with it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wish there were companies developing vaccines. It might be different then.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I wish there were companies developing vaccines. It might be different then. "

There are lots of companies racing to develop vaccine's, Sir Patrick Valance is heavily inested in a pharmacuticle company and advising Boris at the the same time.

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By *unkym34Man
over a year ago

London

Vaccines don’t normally get used until they have had a good few years worth of trial behind them so read into that what you will. I think I’d rather take my chances with a virus than with a untested human made vaccine that no one knows or understands any possible side effects that may not present themselves for years.

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By *unkym34Man
over a year ago

London

I mean just look at history and vaccines that have caused problems with birth defects and such. Again just saying read in to that what you will.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

We might be, as even if a vaccine comes next year, it will take a long time to get people vaccinated and it will be given to the vulnerable first and rightly so.

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By *ettyboop61Woman
over a year ago

St Neots


"We will still be locking down next year as like the flu this bug can't be beaten, we need to learn to live with it."

Yup

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By *tephanjMan
over a year ago

Kettering

I think that we won't do another national lockdown,as a vaccine will be available early next year. Any vaccine will be like the flu jab you will need it every year. We will have to learn to live with it, as it will never go away obviously this is my opinion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No I don't think we will be. I am hopeful that 1 or more of the hundreds of vaccines that are currently in development will be somewhat effective in helping to stop the rapid spread.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

I think we *are* learning to live with it. It won't happen over night, the huge shift in attitudes that this requires couldn't but we have no other choice but to learn to live with it one way or another.

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands


"I wish there were companies developing vaccines. It might be different then.

There are lots of companies racing to develop vaccine's, Sir Patrick Valance is heavily inested in a pharmacuticle company and advising Boris at the the same time."

And they lnuse microsoft windows.

Disgraceful

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands


"I mean just look at history and vaccines that have caused problems with birth defects and such. Again just saying read in to that what you will. "

And they used to burn people for being witches.

Times change, (some) people learn

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By *yn drwgMan
over a year ago

Camarthen

I'll take my chances with the virus rather than a very new vaccine, far to early to be using any kind of vaccine.

Yes we will have to learn to live with it just like any other virus.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's good that some people know so much about covid and the long term effects.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I think that we won't do another national lockdown,as a vaccine will be available early next year. Any vaccine will be like the flu jab you will need it every year. We will have to learn to live with it, as it will never go away obviously this is my opinion"

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By *unkym34Man
over a year ago

London


"I mean just look at history and vaccines that have caused problems with birth defects and such. Again just saying read in to that what you will.

And they used to burn people for being witches.

Times change, (some) people learn"
not quite the same really

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I think that we won't do another national lockdown,as a vaccine will be available early next year. Any vaccine will be like the flu jab you will need it every year. We will have to learn to live with it, as it will never go away obviously this is my opinion"

The government has now extended furlough through to end of March that to me screams more lockdowns for next year they are just getting started.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Waies lockdowns for 2 weeks

We lockdown for a year

Makes sense

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By *essiejamesABCCouple
over a year ago

Salisbury


"I think that we won't do another national lockdown,as a vaccine will be available early next year. Any vaccine will be like the flu jab you will need it every year. We will have to learn to live with it, as it will never go away obviously this is my opinion

The government has now extended furlough through to end of March that to me screams more lockdowns for next year they are just getting started."

Yes strange we lock down til early December but furlough continues to March. The following is a question not an opinion so please don't bite my head off.......... Could furlough being extended for the tier system that will still be in place at end of lockdown. This way systems will be in place for those unable to work if their in tier 3 for example?

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch


"I think that we won't do another national lockdown,as a vaccine will be available early next year. Any vaccine will be like the flu jab you will need it every year. We will have to learn to live with it, as it will never go away obviously this is my opinion

The government has now extended furlough through to end of March that to me screams more lockdowns for next year they are just getting started.

Yes strange we lock down til early December but furlough continues to March. The following is a question not an opinion so please don't bite my head off.......... Could furlough being extended for the tier system that will still be in place at end of lockdown. This way systems will be in place for those unable to work if their in tier 3 for example? "

I agree the furlough, I think, has been extended as we will be in tiers when December comes around (they have even said we will revert to the tiers) which tier each region goes into we will have to see.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"I think that we won't do another national lockdown,as a vaccine will be available early next year. Any vaccine will be like the flu jab you will need it every year. We will have to learn to live with it, as it will never go away obviously this is my opinion

The government has now extended furlough through to end of March that to me screams more lockdowns for next year they are just getting started.

Yes strange we lock down til early December but furlough continues to March. The following is a question not an opinion so please don't bite my head off.......... Could furlough being extended for the tier system that will still be in place at end of lockdown. This way systems will be in place for those unable to work if their in tier 3 for example? "

I think that's exactly what it is.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"I think that we won't do another national lockdown,as a vaccine will be available early next year. Any vaccine will be like the flu jab you will need it every year. We will have to learn to live with it, as it will never go away obviously this is my opinion

The government has now extended furlough through to end of March that to me screams more lockdowns for next year they are just getting started."

I think it's pretty clear that the gov't expects some parts of the country to be in lock down until at least next March.

We're learning about this virus all the time, dealing with a pandemic isn't something many of us have experience of despite all local authorities planning for one on a regular basis. The future is uncertain and we're going to have to get used to that.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"I think that we won't do another national lockdown,as a vaccine will be available early next year. Any vaccine will be like the flu jab you will need it every year. We will have to learn to live with it, as it will never go away obviously this is my opinion

The government has now extended furlough through to end of March that to me screams more lockdowns for next year they are just getting started.

Yes strange we lock down til early December but furlough continues to March. The following is a question not an opinion so please don't bite my head off.......... Could furlough being extended for the tier system that will still be in place at end of lockdown. This way systems will be in place for those unable to work if their in tier 3 for example? "

It could be rolled over to the tier system to support people when this phase ends, there will be a political price to pay given the initial tier system support was less and the cause of much debate and criticism..

Setting it out till March might stop some of the job losses that took place when it was being wound down..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I mean just look at history and vaccines that have caused problems with birth defects and such. Again just saying read in to that what you will. "

I was waiting for this post...

Go on, give me the history as I am well aware of this much misquoted history myself x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We will still be locking down next year as like the flu this bug can't be beaten, we need to learn to live with it."

I’ve been banging on about war on the other thread and actually feel the need to join this up....

In terms of threat, impact etc we might as well accept we are on a war footing with Covid-19, in terms of financial commitment, political focus, national drive etc this is true.

One thing war is a great catalyst for is medicine, if you look at advances in trauma surgery, artificial limbs, casevac or critical care over the past 50 years you can assign most breakthroughs to a tiny 2 year window covering the second gulf war and Afghanistan.

Covid is the same, what we know a mere 7 months on from this outbreak saves 4 in every 5 people whereas it use to only be 2 in 5.

Whether vaccines, treatments, early intervention with steroid use or indeed vaccines we will be far better placed in a further 12 months.

This is going to be a marathon of sorts, there’s no instant cure all fix but we are moving forward with small victories and given time they will all add up one way or another to reduce the significance of the virus.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"I wish there were companies developing vaccines. It might be different then. "
i think that went over his head.

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands


"I mean just look at history and vaccines that have caused problems with birth defects and such. Again just saying read in to that what you will.

I was waiting for this post...

Go on, give me the history as I am well aware of this much misquoted history myself x"

Don't hold your breath

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By *orwegian BlueMan
over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..

This isn't flu. References to it being flu were made as seasonal flu usually starts in the far East, but this really is not flu.

SARS (the first epidemic) has been shown to have given those who contracted it, antibodies which have protected those people from SARS-Covid 2.

With this in mind, this is generally accepted as the case by virologists and that the Covid 19 immunisation will protect, or at very least, limit the effect of future strains of SARS-Covid 2.

It is also seen that this type of virus is very short lived, SARS and Middle Eastern SARS did not last, the epidemics just fizzled out.

Minor outbreaks are also controlled quickly and localised, thus preventing rapid spread.

Mass immunisation will stop the transmission which will also prevent any future re-infection.

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By *D835Man
over a year ago

London


"We will still be locking down next year as like the flu this bug can't be beaten, we need to learn to live with it.

I’ve been banging on about war on the other thread and actually feel the need to join this up....

In terms of threat, impact etc we might as well accept we are on a war footing with Covid-19, in terms of financial commitment, political focus, national drive etc this is true.

One thing war is a great catalyst for is medicine, if you look at advances in trauma surgery, artificial limbs, casevac or critical care over the past 50 years you can assign most breakthroughs to a tiny 2 year window covering the second gulf war and Afghanistan.

Covid is the same, what we know a mere 7 months on from this outbreak saves 4 in every 5 people whereas it use to only be 2 in 5.

Whether vaccines, treatments, early intervention with steroid use or indeed vaccines we will be far better placed in a further 12 months.

This is going to be a marathon of sorts, there’s no instant cure all fix but we are moving forward with small victories and given time they will all add up one way or another to reduce the significance of the virus.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think, in the main, all of us hope we wont.

We are all hoping for vaccine as the way out, lets hope those clever peple succeed in finding a successfull one.

I do get a little worried about the next virus though incase its even worse so its imporatant all governments look and learn and share from this.

South Korea seems to have done exactly that.

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South


"We will still be locking down next year as like the flu this bug can't be beaten, we need to learn to live with it."

I predict the vaccine will be rolled out to the CEV first an I wound imagine they will be keener to use it than less vulnerable. Once the CEV are protected the rest of the population will begin to ease back as the vaccine is put into the wider population.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

We don't know but it doesn't seem likely. I think governments will not do that and will push for the economy over lives

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"Vaccines don’t normally get used until they have had a good few years worth of trial behind them so read into that what you will. I think I’d rather take my chances with a virus than with a untested human made vaccine that no one knows or understands any possible side effects that may not present themselves for years. "

Didn't you look at the evidence?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We will still be locking down next year as like the flu this bug can't be beaten, we need to learn to live with it."

OK, why should anyone try to change your mind though?

Bit odd really

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

there is no evedence that lockdown does anything meeningfull, other putting people on the dole, so i hope we can learn to live with this virus and carry on, it wont be like before, but we can adapt, and i still dont understand the panic about a virus that kills so few

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire


"there is no evedence that lockdown does anything meeningfull"

...except preventing the NHS from getting totally overrun of course...

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry


"there is no evedence that lockdown does anything meeningfull, other putting people on the dole, so i hope we can learn to live with this virus and carry on, it wont be like before, but we can adapt, and i still dont understand the panic about a virus that kills so few"

/sigh

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire


"

/sigh"

Deja Flu...?

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By *incskittenWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham


"there is no evedence that lockdown does anything meeningfull, other putting people on the dole, so i hope we can learn to live with this virus and carry on, it wont be like before, but we can adapt, and i still dont understand the panic about a virus that kills so few"

Are you for real !

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry


"

/sigh

Deja Flu...? "

Yep once again with the mask debaters. Different day, same shit

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By *unkym34Man
over a year ago

London


"there is no evedence that lockdown does anything meeningfull

...except preventing the NHS from getting totally overrun of course..."
no eveidence to support that either. The only way to say wether it would or would not cope would be to test it

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry


"there is no evedence that lockdown does anything meeningfull

...except preventing the NHS from getting totally overrun of course... no eveidence to support that either. The only way to say wether it would or would not cope would be to test it "

Yes there is evidence, its called reality. Its things like ICU beds being filled to capacity, things like oxygen being rationed.

May I take it that statistical modelling and prediction isn't something you put much stock in?

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By *unkym34Man
over a year ago

London


"there is no evedence that lockdown does anything meeningfull

...except preventing the NHS from getting totally overrun of course... no eveidence to support that either. The only way to say wether it would or would not cope would be to test it

Yes there is evidence, its called reality. Its things like ICU beds being filled to capacity, things like oxygen being rationed.

May I take it that statistical modelling and prediction isn't something you put much stock in?"
I do but I like to look at all of it. The models that show lockdown does not work and have a more negative impact on a much vaster scale that actually Now have eveidence to back them seem much more logical to me. Even today one of the statistics that the government used to put us in to lockdown has already had to be recalculated and had 500 knocked off the number. Yes the used 1500 deaths per day come December to scare us all now revised to 1000. That itself does not tally with the worst case scenario that they spouted on about of 850000 deaths over the next year will that over 2300 per day. Just saying I prefer facts no what ifs and maybes and I believe

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"there is no evedence that lockdown does anything meeningfull

...except preventing the NHS from getting totally overrun of course... no eveidence to support that either. The only way to say wether it would or would not cope would be to test it "

Splendid idea

The drown her to see if she is a witch approach

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire


"there is no evedence that lockdown does anything meeningfull

...except preventing the NHS from getting totally overrun of course... no eveidence to support that either. The only way to say wether it would or would not cope would be to test it "

You for real?

Test to destruction is fine for a car door handle, but a really stupid and shut idea for a health service.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"there is no evedence that lockdown does anything meeningfull

...except preventing the NHS from getting totally overrun of course... no eveidence to support that either. The only way to say wether it would or would not cope would be to test it

You for real?

Test to destruction is fine for a car door handle, but a really stupid and shut idea for a health service."

Oooh look the NHS is completely overrun and cant cope.. we better have a lockdown.

A cunning plan.

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By *unkym34Man
over a year ago

London


"there is no evedence that lockdown does anything meeningfull

...except preventing the NHS from getting totally overrun of course... no eveidence to support that either. The only way to say wether it would or would not cope would be to test it

You for real?

Test to destruction is fine for a car door handle, but a really stupid and shut idea for a health service."
really why?? At present hundreds Of thousands of operations, tests, check ups, appointments are behind millions more not even been scheduled as people are to scared are just sick of not being able to get to see some one these are facts and are a result of lockdown not Covid 19. The NHS is not Over run they are simply being utilised wrong wards emptied in case the need to use them teams of nurses and doctors put in place to run those wards and not allowed to carry out their normal work just in case. The goverment is thinking here and now and not the long term I’m afraid and it’s ruining all our lives in one shape or another and totally obliterating our children’s and their children’s futures

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By *unkym34Man
over a year ago

London


"there is no evedence that lockdown does anything meeningfull

...except preventing the NHS from getting totally overrun of course... no eveidence to support that either. The only way to say wether it would or would not cope would be to test it

Yes there is evidence, its called reality. Its things like ICU beds being filled to capacity, things like oxygen being rationed.

May I take it that statistical modelling and prediction isn't something you put much stock in?"
also ICU beds are at the same capacity right now as they where this time last year difference is there is less people in those beds with flu / phumonia ???? Also I believe the level of use for ICU beds is lower than the 5 year average right now.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"there is no evedence that lockdown does anything meeningfull

...except preventing the NHS from getting totally overrun of course... no eveidence to support that either. The only way to say wether it would or would not cope would be to test it

You for real?

Test to destruction is fine for a car door handle, but a really stupid and shut idea for a health service. really why?? At present hundreds Of thousands of operations, tests, check ups, appointments are behind millions more not even been scheduled as people are to scared are just sick of not being able to get to see some one these are facts and are a result of lockdown not Covid 19. The NHS is not Over run they are simply being utilised wrong wards emptied in case the need to use them teams of nurses and doctors put in place to run those wards and not allowed to carry out their normal work just in case. The goverment is thinking here and now and not the long term I’m afraid and it’s ruining all our lives in one shape or another and totally obliterating our children’s and their children’s futures "

So a lot of drs and nurses are doing nothing?

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By *unkym34Man
over a year ago

London


"there is no evedence that lockdown does anything meeningfull

...except preventing the NHS from getting totally overrun of course... no eveidence to support that either. The only way to say wether it would or would not cope would be to test it

You for real?

Test to destruction is fine for a car door handle, but a really stupid and shut idea for a health service. really why?? At present hundreds Of thousands of operations, tests, check ups, appointments are behind millions more not even been scheduled as people are to scared are just sick of not being able to get to see some one these are facts and are a result of lockdown not Covid 19. The NHS is not Over run they are simply being utilised wrong wards emptied in case the need to use them teams of nurses and doctors put in place to run those wards and not allowed to carry out their normal work just in case. The goverment is thinking here and now and not the long term I’m afraid and it’s ruining all our lives in one shape or another and totally obliterating our children’s and their children’s futures

So a lot of drs and nurses are doing nothing?"
yes as they are being transferred from normal duties to be on standby for increased Covid related admissions

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By *unkym34Man
over a year ago

London


"there is no evedence that lockdown does anything meeningfull

...except preventing the NHS from getting totally overrun of course... no eveidence to support that either. The only way to say wether it would or would not cope would be to test it

You for real?

Test to destruction is fine for a car door handle, but a really stupid and shut idea for a health service. really why?? At present hundreds Of thousands of operations, tests, check ups, appointments are behind millions more not even been scheduled as people are to scared are just sick of not being able to get to see some one these are facts and are a result of lockdown not Covid 19. The NHS is not Over run they are simply being utilised wrong wards emptied in case the need to use them teams of nurses and doctors put in place to run those wards and not allowed to carry out their normal work just in case. The goverment is thinking here and now and not the long term I’m afraid and it’s ruining all our lives in one shape or another and totally obliterating our children’s and their children’s futures

So a lot of drs and nurses are doing nothing? yes as they are being transferred from normal duties to be on standby for increased Covid related admissions "
this happened last time to. Fully staffed nightingale hospitals with no one in them

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"there is no evedence that lockdown does anything meeningfull

...except preventing the NHS from getting totally overrun of course... no eveidence to support that either. The only way to say wether it would or would not cope would be to test it

You for real?

Test to destruction is fine for a car door handle, but a really stupid and shut idea for a health service. really why?? At present hundreds Of thousands of operations, tests, check ups, appointments are behind millions more not even been scheduled as people are to scared are just sick of not being able to get to see some one these are facts and are a result of lockdown not Covid 19. The NHS is not Over run they are simply being utilised wrong wards emptied in case the need to use them teams of nurses and doctors put in place to run those wards and not allowed to carry out their normal work just in case. The goverment is thinking here and now and not the long term I’m afraid and it’s ruining all our lives in one shape or another and totally obliterating our children’s and their children’s futures

So a lot of drs and nurses are doing nothing? yes as they are being transferred from normal duties to be on standby for increased Covid related admissions "

I dont work in a hospital.

Maybe someone who does, could confirm if this was the case.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"there is no evedence that lockdown does anything meeningfull, other putting people on the dole, so i hope we can learn to live with this virus and carry on, it wont be like before, but we can adapt, and i still dont understand the panic about a virus that kills so few

/sigh"

very clever, now look at the facts, but take of the tin foil hat first

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"there is no evedence that lockdown does anything meeningfull

...except preventing the NHS from getting totally overrun of course... no eveidence to support that either. The only way to say wether it would or would not cope would be to test it

You for real?

Test to destruction is fine for a car door handle, but a really stupid and shut idea for a health service. really why?? At present hundreds Of thousands of operations, tests, check ups, appointments are behind millions more not even been scheduled as people are to scared are just sick of not being able to get to see some one these are facts and are a result of lockdown not Covid 19. The NHS is not Over run they are simply being utilised wrong wards emptied in case the need to use them teams of nurses and doctors put in place to run those wards and not allowed to carry out their normal work just in case. The goverment is thinking here and now and not the long term I’m afraid and it’s ruining all our lives in one shape or another and totally obliterating our children’s and their children’s futures

So a lot of drs and nurses are doing nothing? yes as they are being transferred from normal duties to be on standby for increased Covid related admissions this happened last time to. Fully staffed nightingale hospitals with no one in them "

Who were they staffed by?

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By *iddle ManMan
over a year ago

Walsall

A nice cheery thought OP.

Being realistic I can still see some kind of trouble throughout next year, what that means I've no idea. I've given up trying to guess now.

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire


"

So a lot of drs and nurses are doing nothing? yes as they are being transferred from normal duties to be on standby for increased Covid related admissions "

And you know that how?

Made up or read on Facebook?

You can't just shove any old nurse in ICU, it's a specialised area.

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire


"

You for real?

Test to destruction is fine for a car door handle, but a really stupid and shut idea for a health service. really why?? At present hundreds Of thousands of operations, tests, check ups, appointments are behind millions more not even been scheduled as people are to scared are just sick of not being able to get to see some one these are facts and are a result of lockdown not Covid 19.

"

And what do you think would happen if we were to adopt your 'just let it happen' approach?


"

The NHS is not Over run they are simply being utilised wrong wards emptied in case the need to use them teams of nurses and doctors put in place to run those wards and not allowed to carry out their normal work just in case. "

So they're all sat in the tearoom waiting for something to happen?


"

The goverment is thinking here and now and not the long term I’m afraid and it’s ruining all our lives in one shape or another and totally obliterating our children’s and their children’s futures "

Obliterating how?

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

The result of more lockdowns would be more ghost towns as many businesses wont make it, lockdowns are more devestating than the virus.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not about a virus

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By *asIsaCouple
over a year ago

harrow


"I mean just look at history and vaccines that have caused problems with birth defects and such. Again just saying read in to that what you will. "

Really? Can you give 1 example?

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

Poundshop Steven Crowder

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The result of more lockdowns would be more ghost towns as many businesses wont make it, lockdowns are more devestating than the virus."
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You do realise your chin sling is a) unlikely to protect anyone and b) lessens the impact of anything you say on this forum...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

NHS staff are getting a vaccine come December , and it’s already been trialled with within the NHS so this is positive news

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wish there were companies developing vaccines. It might be different then.

i think that went over his head. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"NHS staff are getting a vaccine come December , and it’s already been trialled with within the NHS so this is positive news "

They are ?

Do you have a link to that information?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"[Removed by poster at 06/11/20 18:55:22]"

So no source then ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes I’m NHS staff and have been told today the vaccine will be rolled out in December

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"NHS staff are getting a vaccine come December , and it’s already been trialled with within the NHS so this is positive news "

A number of NHS are on the vaccine trial but there’s no plans to vaccinate the service in December. X

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL


"there is no evedence that lockdown does anything meeningfull, other putting people on the dole, so i hope we can learn to live with this virus and carry on, it wont be like before, but we can adapt, and i still dont understand the panic about a virus that kills so few"

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL


"The result of more lockdowns would be more ghost towns as many businesses wont make it, lockdowns are more devestating than the virus."

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"NHS staff are getting a vaccine come December , and it’s already been trialled with within the NHS so this is positive news "

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"there is no evedence that lockdown does anything meeningfull, other putting people on the dole, so i hope we can learn to live with this virus and carry on, it wont be like before, but we can adapt, and i still dont understand the panic about a virus that kills so few"

You're still alive, so you may be the living evidence you and people similar to you are needing.

You presumably were around when infection levels changed during lockdown no 1? It wasn't magic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"NHS staff are getting a vaccine come December , and it’s already been trialled with within the NHS so this is positive news

They are ?

Do you have a link to that information?"

You can't just put any link on here, why can't you just believe somebody instead of demanding a source"Are they lying?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"there is no evedence that lockdown does anything meeningfull

...except preventing the NHS from getting totally overrun of course... no eveidence to support that either. The only way to say wether it would or would not cope would be to test it

Yes there is evidence, its called reality. Its things like ICU beds being filled to capacity, things like oxygen being rationed.

May I take it that statistical modelling and prediction isn't something you put much stock in?"

Is that the statistical modelling used to justify the lockdown on the weekend by Vallance and Whitty, which was yesterday proved to be a load of cobblers? They basically stood up there and bareface lied to the public and nobody seems to care, it’s bizarre!

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"there is no evedence that lockdown does anything meeningfull

...except preventing the NHS from getting totally overrun of course... no eveidence to support that either. The only way to say wether it would or would not cope would be to test it

Yes there is evidence, its called reality. Its things like ICU beds being filled to capacity, things like oxygen being rationed.

May I take it that statistical modelling and prediction isn't something you put much stock in?

Is that the statistical modelling used to justify the lockdown on the weekend by Vallance and Whitty, which was yesterday proved to be a load of cobblers? They basically stood up there and bareface lied to the public and nobody seems to care, it’s bizarre!"

I think we are just used to it by now

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"there is no evedence that lockdown does anything meeningfull

...except preventing the NHS from getting totally overrun of course... no eveidence to support that either. The only way to say wether it would or would not cope would be to test it

Out

Yes there is evidence, its called reality. Its things like ICU beds being filled to capacity, things like oxygen being rationed.

May I take it that statistical modelling and prediction isn't something you put much stock in?

Is that the statistical modelling used to justify the lockdown on the weekend by Vallance and Whitty, which was yesterday proved to be a load of cobblers? They basically stood up there and bareface lied to the public and nobody seems to care, it’s bizarre!"

They have been lying from day one!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just some advice if it’s impacted your working life..

Take this time to learn new skill! Find a job that’s suitable in a key worker category

My work has doubled since the first lock down and will continue through the second. If you think plumbing and heating is your tea, let me know haha.

No harm in adapting to changes. Then go back to your bread and butter, once all is said and done

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let's face it folks, this virus isn't going away any time soon, it will probably be around for years. It will still kill the elderly and vulnerable, so to think that it will all go away by early next year is just a pipe dream!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don’t think people should rely on vaccination for this virus. It is a multi systemic virus that has the capability to infect and not cause initial disease, or to kill. Those who survive initial infection may go on to be ill in many different presentations, possibly for life.

The nature of the virus makes it unlikely and immunity acquired through vaccination will be short lived, and require two or three vaccines to give any protection.

So, I’d think the future will be a mix of lockdowns and vaccines with no easy answers. This virus, in all its mutations, is with us for ever.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

‘ makes it LIKELY’

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By *xycpl699Couple
over a year ago

kilmarnock


"there is no evedence that lockdown does anything meeningfull, other putting people on the dole, so i hope we can learn to live with this virus and carry on, it wont be like before, but we can adapt, and i still dont understand the panic about a virus that kills so few"

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"there is no evedence that lockdown does anything meeningfull, other putting people on the dole, so i hope we can learn to live with this virus and carry on, it wont be like before, but we can adapt, and i still dont understand the panic about a virus that kills so few"

There is actually pretty solid evidence that lockdowns work, the number of new cases recorded started to drop really quickly around 2 weeks after the lockdown started in March. Without the lockdown the numbers would have just continued to go up. Even after mass testing started the number of cases continued to drop until the lockdown was released, then it started to climb... and continues to stay high regardless of local restrictions.

Cal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes I’m NHS staff and have been told today the vaccine will be rolled out in December "

Didn't China roll one out a couple of months ago which from what I remember lacks evidence it actually works??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not a single vaccine in human history has caused birth defects. Please don’t read into the hysteria of anti vaxxers.

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By *orthern StarsCouple
over a year ago

Durham

Noooooo, don't say that OP. We need some normality.

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

Probably

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes I think we will be in and out of some kind of restrictions for a while yet and something we just have to get used to.

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By *emmabTV/TS
over a year ago

Leicestershire

Just because the goverment has extended furlough until March doesn't mean that they have to use it all. They could cancel it if they needed to because its not being used. Better that than having to keep announcing extention an a weekly or monthly basis. However it will more likely be used on a increasingly limited way into spring.

As for a vaccine even if is rolled out after the new year it will take at least 3 months to get 30 to 50% of the population immunised to start the herd immunity that is required to get back to some sort of normality so again furlough is still going to be needed to facilitate this process.

What I am trying to say it's nothing to get to worked up about and get all in a tizzy about it

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