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R rating down to 1, has the lockdown been announced to early

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By *areass2017 OP   Man
over a year ago

east coast

The R rating is now supposed to be down to 1 which shows the virus is on the decline. Local lockdowns now appear to have been doing the trick yet the country is still facing a month long lock down. Makes me feel more optimistic that it will only be a month circuit breaker but do we need it at all? Thoughts?

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By *incsladyandscotsmanCouple
over a year ago

North fife

Our view is no. If everyone follows the rules then it will work.

There are more issues with untreated diseases such as cancer etc than covid 19. We have learned so much about it that we need to move on.

Locking down is effectively hodi g from a virus that will be with us for ever..... The economic consequences of lockdown is that we will be paying for it for years to come.

We only just recently paid off our second World War debt to the USA! It's that size plus of debt.

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By *hubaysiWoman
over a year ago

Leeds


"The R rating is now supposed to be down to 1 which shows the virus is on the decline. Local lockdowns now appear to have been doing the trick yet the country is still facing a month long lock down. Makes me feel more optimistic that it will only be a month circuit breaker but do we need it at all? Thoughts? "

My thoughts are we don’t need it. If people followed the rules then it would not come to this.

Chin up everyone .

xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The R rating is now supposed to be down to 1 which shows the virus is on the decline. Local lockdowns now appear to have been doing the trick yet the country is still facing a month long lock down. Makes me feel more optimistic that it will only be a month circuit breaker but do we need it at all? Thoughts? "

I've just been reading about the amount of shops and other places that will remain open this time, and I'm wondering what the point of this lockdown is.

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights

The lockdown is to slow down the hospital admissions, it takes on average 14 days from infection to start to feel quite unwell, 21 days to go into hospital and up to a month in hospital with some complications, the R will drop quite a lot but the backwash with the nhs will still be high

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The R rating is now supposed to be down to 1 which shows the virus is on the decline. Local lockdowns now appear to have been doing the trick yet the country is still facing a month long lock down. Makes me feel more optimistic that it will only be a month circuit breaker but do we need it at all? Thoughts? "

Actually it’s 1.1 - 1.3 and growing. Alternate sources have it around 1.6.

If you want to make yourself less optimistic then perhaps overlay the R rates for the first peak and you’ll find how long those little fractions take to come down. First time out in total lockdown it was about 8 weeks.

Also bear in mind that at a bear minimum we will only start to see an impact from any changes from lockdown at least 2 weeks after they begin. Infections for new serious cases, hospital admissions and deaths have already taken place. Most of the hardest hit regions are doubling every 7 days so given a week we already know our R rate will be 1.6-1.7 regionally.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just looked it up on the government's site and it says we're 1.1 - 1.3?

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch


"Just looked it up on the government's site and it says we're 1.1 - 1.3? "

That’s what we have in London to, long way to go yet

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By *ookMan
over a year ago

london

Charli can you do the tv updates in your best glam outfit and full makeup please...? it needs jazzing up a bit and you cut straight to the point Thanks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just looked it up on the government's site and it says we're 1.1 - 1.3?

That’s what we have in London to, long way to go yet "

The SW is 1.2 - 1.5 unfortunately but it's a huge area Cornwall is very low compared to the rest of the country

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

No, they should have stuck with local lockdowns and closing county borders. No one in, no one out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We only have a national lockdown because not all people take the virus seriously and take risks that affect the lives of others and the ability of the NHS to cope.

If only it was different then we could cope with these things without the same level of disruption. But selfishness is part of the human psyche so we can expect more of this in future.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Charli can you do the tv updates in your best glam outfit and full makeup please...? it needs jazzing up a bit and you cut straight to the point Thanks "

Zook, you buy the outfit I’ll do the broadcast... make it a leggy one x x

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

R is not below 1 and even with this lockdown R will remain above 1 and numbers of infections and deaths a day continue to rise

Lockdown will help but only to slow the growth rate, it will barely reverse it in 12 weeks let alone 4

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We only have a national lockdown because not all people take the virus seriously and take risks that affect the lives of others and the ability of the NHS to cope.

If only it was different then we could cope with these things without the same level of disruption. But selfishness is part of the human psyche so we can expect more of this in future."

There’s a lot of blame going on in regards to others...

In truth, since day one of the pandemic everyone with insight has pointed to this time of year with fear it would return with more strength. For sure individuals can make changes, do their bit etc but in truth the biggest blame is we are up against a mother fucker of a virus which is now playing on its home turf as we all seek shelter from the cold. Personally I think this was always going to be the outcome despite national efforts.

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By *ch WellMan
over a year ago

Scotland


"We only have a national lockdown because not all people take the virus seriously and take risks that affect the lives of others and the ability of the NHS to cope.

If only it was different then we could cope with these things without the same level of disruption. But selfishness is part of the human psyche so we can expect more of this in future."

What are these selfish acts you speak of and how will lockdown prevent them?

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham


"The R rating is now supposed to be down to 1 which shows the virus is on the decline. Local lockdowns now appear to have been doing the trick yet the country is still facing a month long lock down. Makes me feel more optimistic that it will only be a month circuit breaker but do we need it at all? Thoughts?

I've just been reading about the amount of shops and other places that will remain open this time, and I'm wondering what the point of this lockdown is.

"

Really? I read the regs last night, all 32 pages and seems much more strict than last time. Remember last time most business chose to close they weren’t forced to

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

What lockdown?

We need to stop kidding ourselves and labelling it a lockdown. It isn't a lockdown. And "lockdown" is far too emotive and negative a word.

It's a complete misnomer and misrepresentation to call it a lockdown or even a circuit breaker.

If you look at the huge numbers of people still moving around and mixing together. It's very very far from a lockdown. Airports still open, ferry's, trains, tubes, buses, coaches, motorways. Supermarkets, shops, petrol stations, schools.

Lockdown my arse. "Further restrictions" might just about describe it accurately.

Stop the spread.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well, apparently the data used by Boris and his pair of "expert's" last week to give foundations to having a new 4 week "lockdown" was 3 weeks old, not even an actual forecast but just a model using only 20 odd hospitals out of 480.....

I couldn't believe my ears this morning, the model that has brought about tomorrow's month long lockdown data is 3 weeks old and only using extremely targeted cherry picked tiny minority of hospitals.....

I wonder why

Obviously if all hospitals had been used in this 3 week old "model" the message or scenario would have been totally different yet we can't say it was a predicted scenario as it was only painted as a prediction yet it was only a model.

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool

No. The lockdown is to help the NHS cope. In Liverpool, we currently have 450 Covid patients in hospital, which means there are 450 less beds for patients with other conditions. We also had 60 Covid deaths in the city in the last 7 days. 60 unnecessary deaths.

The lockdown is to stop people mingling, slow down the infection rate and therefore stop the NHS from completely crumbling

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands


"The R rating is now supposed to be down to 1 which shows the virus is on the decline. Local lockdowns now appear to have been doing the trick yet the country is still facing a month long lock down. Makes me feel more optimistic that it will only be a month circuit breaker but do we need it at all? Thoughts? "

Thoughts ?

Where did you get the figure from ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

According to Kings college Zoe study the infections are doubling every 28 days.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"No. The lockdown is to help the NHS cope. In Liverpool, we currently have 450 Covid patients in hospital, which means there are 450 less beds for patients with other conditions. We also had 60 Covid deaths in the city in the last 7 days. 60 unnecessary deaths.

The lockdown is to stop people mingling, slow down the infection rate and therefore stop the NHS from completely crumbling"

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

Dr. Doom aka Chris witty has said the north east is the only part of the country where the r rate is now down close to 1.so our local lockdown does seem to be working. It shows it can work if you do what is expected of you

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By *ersnickety PantsWoman
over a year ago

Club Meets Only


"What lockdown?

We need to stop kidding ourselves and labelling it a lockdown. It isn't a lockdown. And "lockdown" is far too emotive and negative a word.

It's a complete misnomer and misrepresentation to call it a lockdown or even a circuit breaker.

If you look at the huge numbers of people still moving around and mixing together. It's very very far from a lockdown. Airports still open, ferry's, trains, tubes, buses, coaches, motorways. Supermarkets, shops, petrol stations, schools.

Lockdown my arse. "Further restrictions" might just about describe it accurately.

Stop the spread.

"

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By *abregasMan
over a year ago

Hook

Yesterday King’s College said it believed the “R” rate for the UK, England and Scotland had now fallen to 1. The King’s ZOE app, which has been tracking symptoms and test results since the first wave, showed a slight fall in new cases.

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By *atrina555TV/TS
over a year ago

Gloucester

Can you really call it a Lockdown? Manufacturing and Construction encouraged to carry on, why? Because they are the biggest economy earners for this country.

A fact here is a manufacturer has 3 shifts of 200 workers, morning shift 18 cases of covid, afternoon shift 26 cases of covid, nightshift 15 cases of covid.

Our local pubs and restaurants who close, no proven cases.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Can you really call it a Lockdown? Manufacturing and Construction encouraged to carry on, why? Because they are the biggest economy earners for this country.

A fact here is a manufacturer has 3 shifts of 200 workers, morning shift 18 cases of covid, afternoon shift 26 cases of covid, nightshift 15 cases of covid.

Our local pubs and restaurants who close, no proven cases.

"

And is your local manufacturer still operating with 59 covid cases out of 200 employees? That's amazing if they are allowed to without closing down and a deep clean.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Can you really call it a Lockdown? Manufacturing and Construction encouraged to carry on, why? Because they are the biggest economy earners for this country.

A fact here is a manufacturer has 3 shifts of 200 workers, morning shift 18 cases of covid, afternoon shift 26 cases of covid, nightshift 15 cases of covid.

Our local pubs and restaurants who close, no proven cases.

And is your local manufacturer still operating with 59 covid cases out of 200 employees? That's amazing if they are allowed to without closing down and a deep clean. "

600 employees

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By *olymalelincsMan
over a year ago

southend

Yes it is needed in my opinion, especially as a good friend just lost his mother, not directly from covid but due to the fact that the hospital had no itu beds available to care for her after a 4 hour operation because they are all full of people with covid meaning she has effectively died because people don't follow the rules and and help slow this damn virus down so that our healthcare system can cope with the cases coming in without it affecting their ability to provide care for other patients. Most masks are for the protection of others more than anything (unless properly sealed and filtered) but should still be worn where ever possible as they will still help.

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By *atrina555TV/TS
over a year ago

Gloucester


"Can you really call it a Lockdown? Manufacturing and Construction encouraged to carry on, why? Because they are the biggest economy earners for this country.

A fact here is a manufacturer has 3 shifts of 200 workers, morning shift 18 cases of covid, afternoon shift 26 cases of covid, nightshift 15 cases of covid.

Our local pubs and restaurants who close, no proven cases.

And is your local manufacturer still operating with 59 covid cases out of 200 employees? That's amazing if they are allowed to without closing down and a deep clean. "

Yes, still operating, not been closed and if others get symptoms they are sent home to self isolate for 10 days, if can not get a test. It is 600 employees.

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford


"Can you really call it a Lockdown? Manufacturing and Construction encouraged to carry on, why? Because they are the biggest economy earners for this country.

A fact here is a manufacturer has 3 shifts of 200 workers, morning shift 18 cases of covid, afternoon shift 26 cases of covid, nightshift 15 cases of covid.

Our local pubs and restaurants who close, no proven cases.

And is your local manufacturer still operating with 59 covid cases out of 200 employees? That's amazing if they are allowed to without closing down and a deep clean. "

Local garage/corner shop had 5 staff test positive, one in hospital.. it stayed open as normal, despite other staff potentially infected, most customers never even knew about it.. they did close for 2 hrs a week after the positive results to have a “deep clean” done . Hardly a surprise cases are rising as they are is it!

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By *orwegian BlueMan
over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..

An R rate of one means that it's remaining even and not declining.

Hospitals are already being swamped with covid patients, those patients will not be out of the hospitals any time soon.

Every week, with an R rate of 1, the number of infected people increases by 25% as infection lasts on average for 2 weeks.

The effectiveness of the lockdown will not be measured by the R rate but by the simple fact that the places where the virus is spreading unchallenged, such as pubs and gatherings in homes, will stop.

The risk of transmission in shop environments is probably low, so there is an argument that they are being shut needlessly, however it does seem that immediate and drastic action is necessary, hence why tomorrow we go into high tier lockdown tomorrow.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"An R rate of one means that it's remaining even and not declining.

Hospitals are already being swamped with covid patients, those patients will not be out of the hospitals any time soon.

Every week, with an R rate of 1, the number of infected people increases by 25% as infection lasts on average for 2 weeks.

The effectiveness of the lockdown will not be measured by the R rate but by the simple fact that the places where the virus is spreading unchallenged, such as pubs and gatherings in homes, will stop.

The risk of transmission in shop environments is probably low, so there is an argument that they are being shut needlessly, however it does seem that immediate and drastic action is necessary, hence why tomorrow we go into high tier lockdown tomorrow."

So not schools and universities campuses then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"An R rate of one means that it's remaining even and not declining.

Hospitals are already being swamped with covid patients, those patients will not be out of the hospitals any time soon.

Every week, with an R rate of 1, the number of infected people increases by 25% as infection lasts on average for 2 weeks.

The effectiveness of the lockdown will not be measured by the R rate but by the simple fact that the places where the virus is spreading unchallenged, such as pubs and gatherings in homes, will stop.

The risk of transmission in shop environments is probably low, so there is an argument that they are being shut needlessly, however it does seem that immediate and drastic action is necessary, hence why tomorrow we go into high tier lockdown tomorrow.

So not schools and universities campuses then?"

And the workplace.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"An R rate of one means that it's remaining even and not declining.

Hospitals are already being swamped with covid patients, those patients will not be out of the hospitals any time soon.

Every week, with an R rate of 1, the number of infected people increases by 25% as infection lasts on average for 2 weeks.

The effectiveness of the lockdown will not be measured by the R rate but by the simple fact that the places where the virus is spreading unchallenged, such as pubs and gatherings in homes, will stop.

The risk of transmission in shop environments is probably low, so there is an argument that they are being shut needlessly, however it does seem that immediate and drastic action is necessary, hence why tomorrow we go into high tier lockdown tomorrow.

So not schools and universities campuses then?

And the workplace."

No just pubs and family visiting family

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"The R rating is now supposed to be down to 1 which shows the virus is on the decline. Local lockdowns now appear to have been doing the trick yet the country is still facing a month long lock down. Makes me feel more optimistic that it will only be a month circuit breaker but do we need it at all? Thoughts?

My thoughts are we don’t need it. If people followed the rules then it would not come to this.

Chin up everyone .

xx "

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham


"The R rating is now supposed to be down to 1 which shows the virus is on the decline. Local lockdowns now appear to have been doing the trick yet the country is still facing a month long lock down. Makes me feel more optimistic that it will only be a month circuit breaker but do we need it at all? Thoughts? "
it depends on who is just leading the country. If its Boris, then maybe we will only have to endure this for one month. If its the government and the scientists then we are in for a long haul. I read somewhere that Boris is no longer in control. I think he lost the plot months ago. He was, torn to shreds in Parliament on Monday. He had very few answers. He looks more like a rabbit staring into headlights. Lockdown too early.. No lockdown too late... Yes

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"The R rating is now supposed to be down to 1 which shows the virus is on the decline. Local lockdowns now appear to have been doing the trick yet the country is still facing a month long lock down. Makes me feel more optimistic that it will only be a month circuit breaker but do we need it at all? Thoughts? it depends on who is just leading the country. If its Boris, then maybe we will only have to endure this for one month. If its the government and the scientists then we are in for a long haul. I read somewhere that Boris is no longer in control. I think he lost the plot months ago. He was, torn to shreds in Parliament on Monday. He had very few answers. He looks more like a rabbit staring into headlights. Lockdown too early.. No lockdown too late... Yes"

1400 patients admitted to hospital.

Nearly 500 deaths.

Nearly 30k new infections

Yeah we need to do something different.

And yeah it's a month too late. As usual.

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands


"Can you really call it a Lockdown? Manufacturing and Construction encouraged to carry on, why? Because they are the biggest economy earners for this country.

A fact here is a manufacturer has 3 shifts of 200 workers, morning shift 18 cases of covid, afternoon shift 26 cases of covid, nightshift 15 cases of covid.

Our local pubs and restaurants who close, no proven cases.

"

who can prove they didn't catch it in the pub ?

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford


"The R rating is now supposed to be down to 1 which shows the virus is on the decline. Local lockdowns now appear to have been doing the trick yet the country is still facing a month long lock down. Makes me feel more optimistic that it will only be a month circuit breaker but do we need it at all? Thoughts? it depends on who is just leading the country. If its Boris, then maybe we will only have to endure this for one month. If its the government and the scientists then we are in for a long haul. I read somewhere that Boris is no longer in control. I think he lost the plot months ago. He was, torn to shreds in Parliament on Monday. He had very few answers. He looks more like a rabbit staring into headlights. Lockdown too early.. No lockdown too late... Yes

1400 patients admitted to hospital.

Nearly 500 deaths.

Nearly 30k new infections

Yeah we need to do something different.

And yeah it's a month too late. As usual. "

Only by allowing the numbers to get bad enough might the deniers start to understand..

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"An R rate of one means that it's remaining even and not declining.

Hospitals are already being swamped with covid patients, those patients will not be out of the hospitals any time soon.

Every week, with an R rate of 1, the number of infected people increases by 25% as infection lasts on average for 2 weeks.

The effectiveness of the lockdown will not be measured by the R rate but by the simple fact that the places where the virus is spreading unchallenged, such as pubs and gatherings in homes, will stop.

The risk of transmission in shop environments is probably low, so there is an argument that they are being shut needlessly, however it does seem that immediate and drastic action is necessary, hence why tomorrow we go into high tier lockdown tomorrow.

So not schools and universities campuses then?"

It's like they simply dont count isnt it?

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