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"All you protesters and deniers, people think it's all made up to control the population, and the ones that couldn't give a fuck about anyone. And the rave n party lot. Please sign a DNR. It will possibly save someone else's life, if you get taken to hospital with it, as you,,as far as I'm concerned and it's my opinion, have no right to be treated as it's you who are causing the problem. So do the rest of us a favour put pen to paper or have it tattooed on your forehead and free up the medical people to treat the ones who have at least played their part ..." If getting dnr tattooed on their foreheads means DO NOT REPRODUCE that's fine | |||
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"All you protesters and deniers, people think it's all made up to control the population, and the ones that couldn't give a fuck about anyone. And the rave n party lot. Please sign a DNR. It will possibly save someone else's life, if you get taken to hospital with it, as you,,as far as I'm concerned and it's my opinion, have no right to be treated as it's you who are causing the problem. So do the rest of us a favour put pen to paper or have it tattooed on your forehead and free up the medical people to treat the ones who have at least played their part ... If getting dnr tattooed on their foreheads means DO NOT REPRODUCE that's fine"  | |||
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"Can I do the tattoo on Nigel Farage' s forehead please? I have some six inch nails and a 2lb hammer ready for it and think that malt vinegar should make a pretty good tattoo dye.. " You've written "forehead" by mistake. Surely you must have meant "foreskin"  | |||
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"Nope I'm against refusing life saving medical treatment to people. " It becomes a dangerous place when people feel it's right to do that because someone has a different opinion, however crazy that opinion may be | |||
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"Nope I'm against refusing life saving medical treatment to people. It becomes a dangerous place when people feel it's right to do that because someone has a different opinion, however crazy that opinion may be" Welcome to the "new normal" fascism or death apparently.  | |||
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"Nope I'm against refusing life saving medical treatment to people. It becomes a dangerous place when people feel it's right to do that because someone has a different opinion, however crazy that opinion may be" Luckily it tends to be people hitting keyboards with a false sense of morality. | |||
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"Nope I'm against refusing life saving medical treatment to people. It becomes a dangerous place when people feel it's right to do that because someone has a different opinion, however crazy that opinion may be" | |||
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"All you protesters and deniers, people think it's all made up to control the population, and the ones that couldn't give a fuck about anyone. And the rave n party lot. Please sign a DNR. It will possibly save someone else's life, if you get taken to hospital with it, as you,,as far as I'm concerned and it's my opinion, have no right to be treated as it's you who are causing the problem. So do the rest of us a favour put pen to paper or have it tattooed on your forehead and free up the medical people to treat the ones who have at least played their part ..." Maybe everyone who backs lockdown should sign something refusing any financial assistance when the enconomy is crashing and their income is suffering? | |||
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"Nope I'm against refusing life saving medical treatment to people. It becomes a dangerous place when people feel it's right to do that because someone has a different opinion, however crazy that opinion may be" You can have an opinion but if it isn't the same your life is worthless. What a view to take | |||
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"All you protesters and deniers, people think it's all made up to control the population, and the ones that couldn't give a fuck about anyone. And the rave n party lot. Please sign a DNR. It will possibly save someone else's life, if you get taken to hospital with it, as you,,as far as I'm concerned and it's my opinion, have no right to be treated as it's you who are causing the problem. So do the rest of us a favour put pen to paper or have it tattooed on your forehead and free up the medical people to treat the ones who have at least played their part ..." my ex wife got like that once a month too ...
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"All you protesters and deniers, people think it's all made up to control the population, and the ones that couldn't give a fuck about anyone. And the rave n party lot. Please sign a DNR. It will possibly save someone else's life, if you get taken to hospital with it, as you,,as far as I'm concerned and it's my opinion, have no right to be treated as it's you who are causing the problem. So do the rest of us a favour put pen to paper or have it tattooed on your forehead and free up the medical people to treat the ones who have at least played their part ..." what about those that cant wear a mask, should we kill them aswell? or dont understand social distancing, like some autistic and retarded folk, lets kill them too. alot of people have guenuine reasons why they cant follow the rules, i do realise there are some idiots out there, but also alot who have no choice, judging others never ends well | |||
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"Someone posted yesterday about how they could be allowed to opt out of NHS treatment for this. All treatment is optional, though you will sometimes have to accept that many things that we do are for the common good. I'm all for supporting things for the common good. Perhaps they need a go fund me type of action that could secure a facility without access to others including health care they deny, maybe offshore somewhere " all treatment isnt optional, as i discovered when my dad was ill, i even had a signed living will, and a dnr, the consultent told me it was his duty to save him, my dad is tetroplegic and was 78, had been wheelchair bound most of his life, so the consultent over rided my dads wishes, as a family we had talked about these things , so knew his wishes. hes now in a carehome bedbound, on huge drugs, last time i went to see him, he asked if i could get him a huge does of morphine so he could end it. i hate that consultent more than i can express, life shouldnt go on at all costs | |||
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 . He's on his mid nineties but as fit as a man of that age could be. Why on earth should he have DNAR in place?
It's a dangerous path to be on if you start excluding people from medical treatment because of their actions. Smokers, drinkers, sports people, obese people, people who are in road accidents having exceeded the speed limit, anti vaxxers... | |||
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"It's nothing to do with disable, people who can't wear masks or a host of others who cant, for all sorts of reasons unable to wear masks and abide by some basis requirements to help others. It's about the idiots who refuse to help, it's about the people who openly go to raves, large gatherings. and laugh at the rest of us, the protesters marching shoulder to shoulder shouting and screaming at people, in shops breathing all over the vegetables, bread etc, that you will end up eating. On buses. Can't really see it's a lot of ill, disabled, people with breathing difficulties, cancer sufferers etc as it's a lot of them that will be denied a bed when the wards are full. So perhaps 're read the post. I've already had some abuse on my mail,, and funny thing is they sent then blocked. Their view and that's their problem," If you've had abusive mail report the message. Nobody should be treated badly for holding a different opinion. | |||
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"Someone posted yesterday about how they could be allowed to opt out of NHS treatment for this. All treatment is optional, though you will sometimes have to accept that many things that we do are for the common good. I'm all for supporting things for the common good. Perhaps they need a go fund me type of action that could secure a facility without access to others including health care they deny, maybe offshore somewhere all treatment isnt optional, as i discovered when my dad was ill, i even had a signed living will, and a dnr, the consultent told me it was his duty to save him, my dad is tetroplegic and was 78, had been wheelchair bound most of his life, so the consultent over rided my dads wishes, as a family we had talked about these things , so knew his wishes. hes now in a carehome bedbound, on huge drugs, last time i went to see him, he asked if i could get him a huge does of morphine so he could end it. i hate that consultent more than i can express, life shouldnt go on at all costs" | |||
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"My mother has a DNAR in place. My dad doesn't but when a paramedic went to see them he told him he ought to have one . He's on his mid nineties but as fit as a man of that age could be. Why on earth should he have DNAR in place?
It's a dangerous path to be on if you start excluding people from medical treatment because of their actions. Smokers, drinkers, sports people, obese people, people who are in road accidents having exceeded the speed limit, anti vaxxers... "Its about letting people die with dignity.. There is nothing dignified about aggressive resuscitation in the elderly.. At the end if the day as fit as any elderly person is or may be, If you get a Rosc on them they don't wake up feeling 10 yrs younger... Life will always cime to an end and its always sad fir families, leaving this world is just as important to how we cime into it... | |||
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"My mother has a DNAR in place. My dad doesn't but when a paramedic went to see them he told him he ought to have one . He's on his mid nineties but as fit as a man of that age could be. Why on earth should he have DNAR in place?
It's a dangerous path to be on if you start excluding people from medical treatment because of their actions. Smokers, drinkers, sports people, obese people, people who are in road accidents having exceeded the speed limit, anti vaxxers...
Its about letting people die with dignity.. There is nothing dignified about aggressive resuscitation in the elderly..
At the end if the day as fit as any elderly person is or may be, If you get a Rosc on them they don't wake up feeling 10 yrs younger... Life will always cime to an end and its always sad fir families, leaving this world is just as important to how we cime into it... "Sorry didn't check typing x | |||
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"My mother has a DNAR in place. My dad doesn't but when a paramedic went to see them he told him he ought to have one . He's on his mid nineties but as fit as a man of that age could be. Why on earth should he have DNAR in place?
It's a dangerous path to be on if you start excluding people from medical treatment because of their actions. Smokers, drinkers, sports people, obese people, people who are in road accidents having exceeded the speed limit, anti vaxxers...
Its about letting people die with dignity.. There is nothing dignified about aggressive resuscitation in the elderly..
At the end if the day as fit as any elderly person is or may be, If you get a Rosc on them they don't wake up feeling 10 yrs younger... Life will always cime to an end and its always sad fir families, leaving this world is just as important to how we cime into it... "OK. I think the paramedic might have explained that to him rather than just telling him he should have one in place. He needs to be able to make an informed decision. Thank you for the information though. I actually feel better able to discuss it with him now | |||
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"My mother has a DNAR in place. My dad doesn't but when a paramedic went to see them he told him he ought to have one . He's on his mid nineties but as fit as a man of that age could be. Why on earth should he have DNAR in place?
It's a dangerous path to be on if you start excluding people from medical treatment because of their actions. Smokers, drinkers, sports people, obese people, people who are in road accidents having exceeded the speed limit, anti vaxxers...
Its about letting people die with dignity.. There is nothing dignified about aggressive resuscitation in the elderly..
At the end if the day as fit as any elderly person is or may be, If you get a Rosc on them they don't wake up feeling 10 yrs younger... Life will always cime to an end and its always sad fir families, leaving this world is just as important to how we cime into it...
OK. I think the paramedic might have explained that to him rather than just telling him he should have one in place. He needs to be able to make an informed decision.
Thank you for the information though. I actually feel better able to discuss it with him now " | |||
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"My mother has a DNAR in place. My dad doesn't but when a paramedic went to see them he told him he ought to have one . He's on his mid nineties but as fit as a man of that age could be. Why on earth should he have DNAR in place?
It's a dangerous path to be on if you start excluding people from medical treatment because of their actions. Smokers, drinkers, sports people, obese people, people who are in road accidents having exceeded the speed limit, anti vaxxers... "In fairness to OP, they're asking people to exclude themselves from medical treatment, not suggesting it should be forced upon anyone. | |||
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"My mother has a DNAR in place. My dad doesn't but when a paramedic went to see them he told him he ought to have one . He's on his mid nineties but as fit as a man of that age could be. Why on earth should he have DNAR in place?
It's a dangerous path to be on if you start excluding people from medical treatment because of their actions. Smokers, drinkers, sports people, obese people, people who are in road accidents having exceeded the speed limit, anti vaxxers...
In fairness to OP, they're asking people to exclude themselves from medical treatment, not suggesting it should be forced upon anyone. "You're right. | |||
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"All you protesters and deniers, people think it's all made up to control the population, and the ones that couldn't give a fuck about anyone. And the rave n party lot. Please sign a DNR. It will possibly save someone else's life, if you get taken to hospital with it, as you,,as far as I'm concerned and it's my opinion, have no right to be treated as it's you who are causing the problem. " Well as long as the same applies to anyone with a BMI of over 25 as well. If you want to avoid dying of COVID19, one of the most important things you can do, if you are overweight, is to lose weight. Meanwhile Joe Public is still shouting, "lock us up to keep us safe, wear a filthy mask you granny killer" whilst the concept of losing weight, getting fit and taking responsibility for their own health is no doubt met with a look of incredulity. ‘….in the first meta-analysis of its kind, published on 26 August in Obesity Reviews, an international team of researchers pooled data from scores of peer-reviewed papers capturing 399,000 patients. They found that people with obesity who contracted SARS-CoV-2 were 113% more likely than people of healthy weight to land in the hospital, 74% more likely to be admitted to an ICU, and 48% more likely to die.’ | |||
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"All you protesters and deniers, people think it's all made up to control the population, and the ones that couldn't give a fuck about anyone. And the rave n party lot. Please sign a DNR. It will possibly save someone else's life, if you get taken to hospital with it, as you,,as far as I'm concerned and it's my opinion, have no right to be treated as it's you who are causing the problem. Well as long as the same applies to anyone with a BMI of over 25 as well. If you want to avoid dying of COVID19, one of the most important things you can do, if you are overweight, is to lose weight. Meanwhile Joe Public is still shouting, "lock us up to keep us safe, wear a filthy mask you granny killer" whilst the concept of losing weight, getting fit and taking responsibility for their own health is no doubt met with a look of incredulity. ‘….in the first meta-analysis of its kind, published on 26 August in Obesity Reviews, an international team of researchers pooled data from scores of peer-reviewed papers capturing 399,000 patients. They found that people with obesity who contracted SARS-CoV-2 were 113% more likely than people of healthy weight to land in the hospital, 74% more likely to be admitted to an ICU, and 48% more likely to die.’ " Well said | |||
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"All you protesters and deniers, people think it's all made up to control the population, and the ones that couldn't give a fuck about anyone. And the rave n party lot. Please sign a DNR. It will possibly save someone else's life, if you get taken to hospital with it, as you,,as far as I'm concerned and it's my opinion, have no right to be treated as it's you who are causing the problem. Well as long as the same applies to anyone with a BMI of over 25 as well. If you want to avoid dying of COVID19, one of the most important things you can do, if you are overweight, is to lose weight. Meanwhile Joe Public is still shouting, "lock us up to keep us safe, wear a filthy mask you granny killer" whilst the concept of losing weight, getting fit and taking responsibility for their own health is no doubt met with a look of incredulity. ‘….in the first meta-analysis of its kind, published on 26 August in Obesity Reviews, an international team of researchers pooled data from scores of peer-reviewed papers capturing 399,000 patients. They found that people with obesity who contracted SARS-CoV-2 were 113% more likely than people of healthy weight to land in the hospital, 74% more likely to be admitted to an ICU, and 48% more likely to die.’ " And one of the 1st things they do is close the gyms. | |||
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"All you protesters and deniers, people think it's all made up to control the population, and the ones that couldn't give a fuck about anyone. And the rave n party lot. Please sign a DNR. It will possibly save someone else's life, if you get taken to hospital with it, as you,,as far as I'm concerned and it's my opinion, have no right to be treated as it's you who are causing the problem. Well as long as the same applies to anyone with a BMI of over 25 as well. If you want to avoid dying of COVID19, one of the most important things you can do, if you are overweight, is to lose weight. Meanwhile Joe Public is still shouting, "lock us up to keep us safe, wear a filthy mask you granny killer" whilst the concept of losing weight, getting fit and taking responsibility for their own health is no doubt met with a look of incredulity. ‘….in the first meta-analysis of its kind, published on 26 August in Obesity Reviews, an international team of researchers pooled data from scores of peer-reviewed papers capturing 399,000 patients. They found that people with obesity who contracted SARS-CoV-2 were 113% more likely than people of healthy weight to land in the hospital, 74% more likely to be admitted to an ICU, and 48% more likely to die.’ " | |||
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"All you protesters and deniers, people think it's all made up to control the population, and the ones that couldn't give a fuck about anyone. And the rave n party lot. Please sign a DNR. It will possibly save someone else's life, if you get taken to hospital with it, as you,,as far as I'm concerned and it's my opinion, have no right to be treated as it's you who are causing the problem. Well as long as the same applies to anyone with a BMI of over 25 as well. If you want to avoid dying of COVID19, one of the most important things you can do, if you are overweight, is to lose weight. Meanwhile Joe Public is still shouting, "lock us up to keep us safe, wear a filthy mask you granny killer" whilst the concept of losing weight, getting fit and taking responsibility for their own health is no doubt met with a look of incredulity. ‘….in the first meta-analysis of its kind, published on 26 August in Obesity Reviews, an international team of researchers pooled data from scores of peer-reviewed papers capturing 399,000 patients. They found that people with obesity who contracted SARS-CoV-2 were 113% more likely than people of healthy weight to land in the hospital, 74% more likely to be admitted to an ICU, and 48% more likely to die.’ " You do realise this isn't a quick option don't you? | |||
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"Nope I'm against refusing life saving medical treatment to people. It becomes a dangerous place when people feel it's right to do that because someone has a different opinion, however crazy that opinion may be" Spot on where will it stop next you get it refused to the really old or disabled no mater what people do the NHS should be for all. | |||
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"Nope I'm against refusing life saving medical treatment to people. It becomes a dangerous place when people feel it's right to do that because someone has a different opinion, however crazy that opinion may be Spot on where will it stop next you get it refused to the really old or disabled no mater what people do the NHS should be for all. " Having an opinion and behaving irresponsibly are two different things. I rather feel for frontline workers whose lives are being unnecessarily put at risk because someone was too arrogant to wear a mask. | |||
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"All you protesters and deniers, people think it's all made up to control the population, and the ones that couldn't give a fuck about anyone. And the rave n party lot. Please sign a DNR. It will possibly save someone else's life, if you get taken to hospital with it, as you,,as far as I'm concerned and it's my opinion, have no right to be treated as it's you who are causing the problem. Well as long as the same applies to anyone with a BMI of over 25 as well. If you want to avoid dying of COVID19, one of the most important things you can do, if you are overweight, is to lose weight. Meanwhile Joe Public is still shouting, "lock us up to keep us safe, wear a filthy mask you granny killer" whilst the concept of losing weight, getting fit and taking responsibility for their own health is no doubt met with a look of incredulity. ‘….in the first meta-analysis of its kind, published on 26 August in Obesity Reviews, an international team of researchers pooled data from scores of peer-reviewed papers capturing 399,000 patients. They found that people with obesity who contracted SARS-CoV-2 were 113% more likely than people of healthy weight to land in the hospital, 74% more likely to be admitted to an ICU, and 48% more likely to die.’ You do realise this isn't a quick option don't you? " It's not a quick option no It took me 9 months to lose 5 stone Maybe if weight loss had been encouraged more from the start of the pandemic some people could be getting to a point now where they have made a serious difference and helped lowered the risk to themselves | |||
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"Nope I'm against refusing life saving medical treatment to people. It becomes a dangerous place when people feel it's right to do that because someone has a different opinion, however crazy that opinion may be Spot on where will it stop next you get it refused to the really old or disabled no mater what people do the NHS should be for all. Having an opinion and behaving irresponsibly are two different things. I rather feel for frontline workers whose lives are being unnecessarily put at risk because someone was too arrogant to wear a mask." People behave irresponsibly every day This doesn't make them any less entitled to medical care | |||
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"Nope I'm against refusing life saving medical treatment to people. It becomes a dangerous place when people feel it's right to do that because someone has a different opinion, however crazy that opinion may be Spot on where will it stop next you get it refused to the really old or disabled no mater what people do the NHS should be for all. Having an opinion and behaving irresponsibly are two different things. I rather feel for frontline workers whose lives are being unnecessarily put at risk because someone was too arrogant to wear a mask. People behave irresponsibly every day This doesn't make them any less entitled to medical care" Agreed that people do irresponsible things, but how many of them endanger the people who have to treat them? If an arsonist set fire to a building and a firefighter died attending to that fire would you not find that arsonist guilty of setting about a chain of events that resulted in loss of life? When people choose to go out and ignore those measures which prevent the spread of the virus, they potentially in motion a chain of events that could kill someone. I view that in a dim light. | |||
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"Nope I'm against refusing life saving medical treatment to people. It becomes a dangerous place when people feel it's right to do that because someone has a different opinion, however crazy that opinion may be Spot on where will it stop next you get it refused to the really old or disabled no mater what people do the NHS should be for all. Having an opinion and behaving irresponsibly are two different things. I rather feel for frontline workers whose lives are being unnecessarily put at risk because someone was too arrogant to wear a mask. People behave irresponsibly every day This doesn't make them any less entitled to medical care" You are arguing with a lost cause there its im right even if im wrong lets have a lynching attitude.  | |||
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"Nope I'm against refusing life saving medical treatment to people. It becomes a dangerous place when people feel it's right to do that because someone has a different opinion, however crazy that opinion may be Spot on where will it stop next you get it refused to the really old or disabled no mater what people do the NHS should be for all. Having an opinion and behaving irresponsibly are two different things. I rather feel for frontline workers whose lives are being unnecessarily put at risk because someone was too arrogant to wear a mask. People behave irresponsibly every day This doesn't make them any less entitled to medical care You are arguing with a lost cause there its im right even if im wrong lets have a lynching attitude. "I'm not arguing I'm stating a fact | |||
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"Nope I'm against refusing life saving medical treatment to people. It becomes a dangerous place when people feel it's right to do that because someone has a different opinion, however crazy that opinion may be Spot on where will it stop next you get it refused to the really old or disabled no mater what people do the NHS should be for all. Having an opinion and behaving irresponsibly are two different things. I rather feel for frontline workers whose lives are being unnecessarily put at risk because someone was too arrogant to wear a mask. People behave irresponsibly every day This doesn't make them any less entitled to medical care Agreed that people do irresponsible things, but how many of them endanger the people who have to treat them? If an arsonist set fire to a building and a firefighter died attending to that fire would you not find that arsonist guilty of setting about a chain of events that resulted in loss of life? When people choose to go out and ignore those measures which prevent the spread of the virus, they potentially in motion a chain of events that could kill someone. I view that in a dim light." I also agree with your dim view It still makes said people no less entitled to medical care than you or I or anyone else | |||
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"Nope I'm against refusing life saving medical treatment to people. It becomes a dangerous place when people feel it's right to do that because someone has a different opinion, however crazy that opinion may be Spot on where will it stop next you get it refused to the really old or disabled no mater what people do the NHS should be for all. Having an opinion and behaving irresponsibly are two different things. I rather feel for frontline workers whose lives are being unnecessarily put at risk because someone was too arrogant to wear a mask. People behave irresponsibly every day This doesn't make them any less entitled to medical care You are arguing with a lost cause there its im right even if im wrong lets have a lynching attitude. "Let's get this straight. People who contract Covid-19 because they refuse to take the correct measures have themselves to blame. They aren't "lynched" when they are responsible for their own demise. Just because someone has sympathy for people who lose their lives treating a demonstrably preventable pandemic it does not make them part of a mob. Funny how we went from clapping for carers to not giving a damn if our actions kill them. | |||
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"Nope I'm against refusing life saving medical treatment to people. It becomes a dangerous place when people feel it's right to do that because someone has a different opinion, however crazy that opinion may be Spot on where will it stop next you get it refused to the really old or disabled no mater what people do the NHS should be for all. Having an opinion and behaving irresponsibly are two different things. I rather feel for frontline workers whose lives are being unnecessarily put at risk because someone was too arrogant to wear a mask. People behave irresponsibly every day This doesn't make them any less entitled to medical care Agreed that people do irresponsible things, but how many of them endanger the people who have to treat them? If an arsonist set fire to a building and a firefighter died attending to that fire would you not find that arsonist guilty of setting about a chain of events that resulted in loss of life? When people choose to go out and ignore those measures which prevent the spread of the virus, they potentially in motion a chain of events that could kill someone. I view that in a dim light. I also agree with your dim view It still makes said people no less entitled to medical care than you or I or anyone else" I agree, everyone is entitled to medical attention. But some people won't receive the medical attention they deserve because of people who fall just short of deliberately make themselves ill. Imagine someone you love was in a car accident but died waiting for attention because the doctors were overloaded by people needing attention for covid they didn't care about contracting. I'm not for what the OP suggests. I just have more sympathy for those who preserve life than those who needlessly put lives at risk. | |||
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"All you protesters and deniers, people think it's all made up to control the population, and the ones that couldn't give a fuck about anyone. And the rave n party lot. Please sign a DNR. It will possibly save someone else's life, if you get taken to hospital with it, as you,,as far as I'm concerned and it's my opinion, have no right to be treated as it's you who are causing the problem. So do the rest of us a favour put pen to paper or have it tattooed on your forehead and free up the medical people to treat the ones who have at least played their part ..." So if anyone goes into hospital with a totally different complaint and catches covid what do you do then ? | |||
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"Nope I'm against refusing life saving medical treatment to people. It becomes a dangerous place when people feel it's right to do that because someone has a different opinion, however crazy that opinion may be Spot on where will it stop next you get it refused to the really old or disabled no mater what people do the NHS should be for all. Having an opinion and behaving irresponsibly are two different things. I rather feel for frontline workers whose lives are being unnecessarily put at risk because someone was too arrogant to wear a mask. People behave irresponsibly every day This doesn't make them any less entitled to medical care Agreed that people do irresponsible things, but how many of them endanger the people who have to treat them? If an arsonist set fire to a building and a firefighter died attending to that fire would you not find that arsonist guilty of setting about a chain of events that resulted in loss of life? When people choose to go out and ignore those measures which prevent the spread of the virus, they potentially in motion a chain of events that could kill someone. I view that in a dim light. I also agree with your dim view It still makes said people no less entitled to medical care than you or I or anyone else I agree, everyone is entitled to medical attention. But some people won't receive the medical attention they deserve because of people who fall just short of deliberately make themselves ill. Imagine someone you love was in a car accident but died waiting for attention because the doctors were overloaded by people needing attention for covid they didn't care about contracting. I'm not for what the OP suggests. I just have more sympathy for those who preserve life than those who needlessly put lives at risk." I agree with what you say There are already people going without medical care because of the number of Covid patients in hospitals | |||
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"Nope I'm against refusing life saving medical treatment to people. It becomes a dangerous place when people feel it's right to do that because someone has a different opinion, however crazy that opinion may be Spot on where will it stop next you get it refused to the really old or disabled no mater what people do the NHS should be for all. Having an opinion and behaving irresponsibly are two different things. I rather feel for frontline workers whose lives are being unnecessarily put at risk because someone was too arrogant to wear a mask. People behave irresponsibly every day This doesn't make them any less entitled to medical care Agreed that people do irresponsible things, but how many of them endanger the people who have to treat them? If an arsonist set fire to a building and a firefighter died attending to that fire would you not find that arsonist guilty of setting about a chain of events that resulted in loss of life? When people choose to go out and ignore those measures which prevent the spread of the virus, they potentially in motion a chain of events that could kill someone. I view that in a dim light. I also agree with your dim view It still makes said people no less entitled to medical care than you or I or anyone else I agree, everyone is entitled to medical attention. But some people won't receive the medical attention they deserve because of people who fall just short of deliberately make themselves ill. Imagine someone you love was in a car accident but died waiting for attention because the doctors were overloaded by people needing attention for covid they didn't care about contracting. I'm not for what the OP suggests. I just have more sympathy for those who preserve life than those who needlessly put lives at risk." I agree with what you say There are already people going without medical care because of the number of Covid patients in hospitals | |||
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"Nope I'm against refusing life saving medical treatment to people. It becomes a dangerous place when people feel it's right to do that because someone has a different opinion, however crazy that opinion may be Spot on where will it stop next you get it refused to the really old or disabled no mater what people do the NHS should be for all. Having an opinion and behaving irresponsibly are two different things. I rather feel for frontline workers whose lives are being unnecessarily put at risk because someone was too arrogant to wear a mask. People behave irresponsibly every day This doesn't make them any less entitled to medical care Agreed that people do irresponsible things, but how many of them endanger the people who have to treat them? If an arsonist set fire to a building and a firefighter died attending to that fire would you not find that arsonist guilty of setting about a chain of events that resulted in loss of life? When people choose to go out and ignore those measures which prevent the spread of the virus, they potentially in motion a chain of events that could kill someone. I view that in a dim light. I also agree with your dim view It still makes said people no less entitled to medical care than you or I or anyone else I agree, everyone is entitled to medical attention. But some people won't receive the medical attention they deserve because of people who fall just short of deliberately make themselves ill. Imagine someone you love was in a car accident but died waiting for attention because the doctors were overloaded by people needing attention for covid they didn't care about contracting. I'm not for what the OP suggests. I just have more sympathy for those who preserve life than those who needlessly put lives at risk. I agree with what you say There are already people going without medical care because of the number of Covid patients in hospitals" | |||
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"All you protesters and deniers, people think it's all made up to control the population, and the ones that couldn't give a fuck about anyone. And the rave n party lot. Please sign a DNR. It will possibly save someone else's life, if you get taken to hospital with it, as you,,as far as I'm concerned and it's my opinion, have no right to be treated as it's you who are causing the problem. So do the rest of us a favour put pen to paper or have it tattooed on your forehead and free up the medical people to treat the ones who have at least played their part ... Maybe everyone who backs lockdown should sign something refusing any financial assistance when the enconomy is crashing and their income is suffering? " Exactly! Very well said | |||
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"All you protesters and deniers, people think it's all made up to control the population, and the ones that couldn't give a fuck about anyone. And the rave n party lot. Please sign a DNR. It will possibly save someone else's life, if you get taken to hospital with it, as you,,as far as I'm concerned and it's my opinion, have no right to be treated as it's you who are causing the problem. So do the rest of us a favour put pen to paper or have it tattooed on your forehead and free up the medical people to treat the ones who have at least played their part ... Maybe everyone who backs lockdown should sign something refusing any financial assistance when the enconomy is crashing and their income is suffering? Exactly! Very well said" It would be a fair comment if lockdown had been imposed for no reason whatsoever. The reality is that lockdown is in force because the high number of infections left the authorities no other choice. To blame those trying to stop the spread of the disease for lockdown instead of those spreading it who made it neccesary is to put logic on it's head. | |||
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"Wow see the holier-than-thou brigade are in top form again. Let him without sin cast the first stone. " Pretty safe on a swingers site...  | |||
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"Ahh the intolerant left again.... " Eh? | |||
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"It's nothing to do with disable, people who can't wear masks or a host of others who cant, for all sorts of reasons unable to wear masks and abide by some basis requirements to help others. It's about the idiots who refuse to help, it's about the people who openly go to raves, large gatherings. and laugh at the rest of us, the protesters marching shoulder to shoulder shouting and screaming at people, in shops breathing all over the vegetables, bread etc, that you will end up eating. On buses. Can't really see it's a lot of ill, disabled, people with breathing difficulties, cancer sufferers etc as it's a lot of them that will be denied a bed when the wards are full. So perhaps 're read the post. I've already had some abuse on my mail,, and funny thing is they sent then blocked. Their view and that's their problem," You sound very anxious | |||
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"In that case fat slobs shouldn’t be treated for heart disease, alcoholics shouldn’t be treated for liver disease and smokers should be treated for lung cancer... I can go on if you like "Please don't. You can make the effort of respectfully calling people with addictions "alcoholics and smokers" but have to get an insult in to overweight people with "fat slobs"  great way to make your point
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"In that case fat slobs shouldn’t be treated for heart disease, alcoholics shouldn’t be treated for liver disease and smokers should be treated for lung cancer... I can go on if you like
Please don't.
You can make the effort of respectfully calling people with addictions "alcoholics and smokers" but have to get an insult in to overweight people with "fat slobs" great way to make your point
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A fat slob with a BP of 90/60."Overweight persons who have a poor diet and don’t exercise on a regular basis, is a bit more to type though... | |||
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"Nope I'm against refusing life saving medical treatment to people. " Which is all very well in fairlyland where there is unlimited healthcare provision and unlimited funding.. in the real world however clinicians have to make lie and death decisions because both theses resources come with limitations. So you have to make the call.. when we reach the point of treatment rationing, are you content for someone who is old enough to know better but has acted like a complete reckless knob to be receiving treatment whilst someone else who has done all the right things has to watch their child c hoke to death in the hospital car park because there are simply no beds left to provide care. This is the reality. | |||
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"In that case fat slobs shouldn’t be treated for heart disease, alcoholics shouldn’t be treated for liver disease and smokers should be treated for lung cancer... I can go on if you like
Please don't.
You can make the effort of respectfully calling people with addictions "alcoholics and smokers" but have to get an insult in to overweight people with "fat slobs" great way to make your point
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A fat slob with a BP of 90/60.
Overweight persons who have a poor diet and don’t exercise on a regular basis, is a bit more to type though..."I'm assuming the effort of being polite far outweighed that of typing a longer sentence. | |||
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"In that case fat slobs shouldn’t be treated for heart disease, alcoholics shouldn’t be treated for liver disease and smokers should be treated for lung cancer... I can go on if you like
Please don't.
You can make the effort of respectfully calling people with addictions "alcoholics and smokers" but have to get an insult in to overweight people with "fat slobs" great way to make your point
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A fat slob with a BP of 90/60.
Overweight persons who have a poor diet and don’t exercise on a regular basis, is a bit more to type though...
I'm assuming the effort of being polite far outweighed that of typing a longer sentence. "Point taken, although the word “slob” was supposed to encapsulate the poor diet and lack of exercise without explicitly saying it 
My actual point remains for consumption and debate though; you can’t ration medical treatment based on the poor decisions people make in life, although we’d never have an underfunded NHS again as barely anybody would be entitled to treatment if that were the case... | |||
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" My actual point remains for consumption and debate though; you can’t ration medical treatment based on the poor decisions people make in life, although we’d never have an underfunded NHS again as barely anybody would be entitled to treatment if that were the case..." I suspect we would. Funding would be reduced and I strongly suspect that we'd just end up with an underfunded NHS but with fewer people using it. | |||
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" My actual point remains for consumption and debate though; you can’t ration medical treatment based on the poor decisions people make in life, although we’d never have an underfunded NHS again as barely anybody would be entitled to treatment if that were the case... I suspect we would. Funding would be reduced and I strongly suspect that we'd just end up with an underfunded NHS but with fewer people using it. " Here's an analogy... If you drive a car... You have to insure it, tax it, service it, put new tyres on it and generally keep it in roadworthy condition. Some people even wash and polish their cars. If we park it in the wrong place or dangerously we get fined. You have to pass a test to drive it and when you drive it you follow the road signs to make sure you and other road users stay safe. If you damage someone elses car... You are generally held responsible and you pay them to repair their car and make it better. If you repeatedly breach the above, the law is applied and you get fined or sometimes go to jail. All of these things are acceptable to us. The notion of paying for its use, paying for its upkeep. Following the laws and accepting consequences if we infringe them. Now... If we were to apply only a fraction of the same thought processes, rigour and acceptance of governance to our own health and those around us and especially this covid situation specifically.... We would be a lot more tolerant of eachother. The issue with a notionally "free" NHS is that when things are free, people ascribe no value to them and often don't respect them. | |||
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"so if all the partygoers and ravers are spreading this super duper deadly air-borne disease, the virus to end all viruses, so bad that 99.9% will survive, so bad that they have to test health people to see if they have it,so bad that the treatment, is "stay home for two weeks" does mean the masks don't work ? " No | |||
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"Nope I'm against refusing life saving medical treatment to people. " I would hope that the Op meant this thread in a tongue in cheek way. The unfortunate reality is that should the hospitals become overwhelmed, that decision to withhold treatment for some may need to be made. Those were, and still are, the difficult choices that are being made in other countries by hospital staff; who has the best chance of survival and who should we leave to die. I suspect some who feel they have lost loved ones unnecessarily may feel that the Op has a valid point and a moral point of view could be accepted that it is correct. | |||
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"All you protesters and deniers, people think it's all made up to control the population, and the ones that couldn't give a fuck about anyone. And the rave n party lot. Please sign a DNR. It will possibly save someone else's life, if you get taken to hospital with it, as you,,as far as I'm concerned and it's my opinion, have no right to be treated as it's you who are causing the problem. So do the rest of us a favour put pen to paper or have it tattooed on your forehead and free up the medical people to treat the ones who have at least played their part ... If getting dnr tattooed on their foreheads means DO NOT REPRODUCE that's fine" | |||
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" Here's an analogy... If you drive a car... You have to insure it, tax it, service it, put new tyres on it and generally keep it in roadworthy condition. Some people even wash and polish their cars. If we park it in the wrong place or dangerously we get fined. You have to pass a test to drive it and when you drive it you follow the road signs to make sure you and other road users stay safe. If you damage someone elses car... You are generally held responsible and you pay them to repair their car and make it better. If you repeatedly breach the above, the law is applied and you get fined or sometimes go to jail. All of these things are acceptable to us. The notion of paying for its use, paying for its upkeep. Following the laws and accepting consequences if we infringe them. Now... If we were to apply only a fraction of the same thought processes, rigour and acceptance of governance to our own health and those around us and especially this covid situation specifically.... We would be a lot more tolerant of eachother. The issue with a notionally "free" NHS is that when things are free, people ascribe no value to them and often don't respect them. " Yes this is the point I was making. Why should someone be able to flout the laws, break the rules, or what ever you want to call it, and cause harm and possibly a very unpleasant death to someone else who has played their part in trying to save other humans, and of course themselves. There's been a few deniers laughing at the rest of us,,ignoring the lockdown as if it's a big joke.,!, then they caught it. Soon changed their attitude. You play by the rules, you get priority in the corridors que at hospital. Be it cancer etc treatments or other critical treatment over the covid fools. | |||
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"Back in March, start of covid, I received letter from government sources, stating, I'm in the high risk category, followed by a phone call, asking what my needs were. After a conversation, the young girl, admitted that I, was also on the DNR list, not even on the DNAR list. Only one source, could give my information, that must of been my doctor. It is sad knowing, I have a death sentence hanging over me." Wasnt there something mentioned about the DNR phone call back March /April and these phone callers shouldnt of said this. Ive slept some since April | |||
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"All you protesters and deniers, people think it's all made up to control the population, and the ones that couldn't give a fuck about anyone. And the rave n party lot. Please sign a DNR. It will possibly save someone else's life, if you get taken to hospital with it, as you,,as far as I'm concerned and it's my opinion, have no right to be treated as it's you who are causing the problem. So do the rest of us a favour put pen to paper or have it tattooed on your forehead and free up the medical people to treat the ones who have at least played their part ..." Half of fab going by this past weeks statuses could be signing up. ?????? | |||
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"Can I do the tattoo on Nigel Farage' s forehead please? I have some six inch nails and a 2lb hammer ready for it and think that malt vinegar should make a pretty good tattoo dye.. You've written "forehead" by mistake. Surely you must have meant "foreskin" "He and his supporters are all dicks so tattoo it anywhere on them. | |||
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