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"Currently in Sweden and it feels like on different planet compared to UK right now. " Can you tell us more? | |||
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"Currently in Sweden and it feels like on different planet compared to UK right now. Can you tell us more? " Only been here since Friday, but almost feels surreal how chilled everyone is and how life simply goes on. | |||
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"Currently in Sweden and it feels like on different planet compared to UK right now. Can you tell us more? Only been here since Friday, but almost feels surreal how chilled everyone is and how life simply goes on. " Have a lovely time! Enjoy that peace and alternate reality, before returning  | |||
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"Currently in Sweden and it feels like on different planet compared to UK right now. Can you tell us more? Only been here since Friday, but almost feels surreal how chilled everyone is and how life simply goes on. Have a lovely time! Enjoy that peace and alternate reality, before returning "Thank you! | |||
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"Currently in Sweden and it feels like on different planet compared to UK right now. Can you tell us more? Only been here since Friday, but almost feels surreal how chilled everyone is and how life simply goes on. Have a lovely time! Enjoy that peace and alternate reality, before returning
Thank you!"I hope you are having a great time
Out of curiosity what percentage of people are wearing masks?
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"Currently in Sweden and it feels like on different planet compared to UK right now. Can you tell us more? Only been here since Friday, but almost feels surreal how chilled everyone is and how life simply goes on. Have a lovely time! Enjoy that peace and alternate reality, before returning
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"Hi x I don't think people should wear mask think it's adding to the problem only if you are funerable and think it might help " Funny how people who can’t string a sentence together, or spell correctly think wearing masks is adding to the problem!!! | |||
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"Hi x I don't think people should wear mask think it's adding to the problem only if you are funerable and think it might help Funny how people who can’t string a sentence together, or spell correctly think wearing masks is adding to the problem!!!" Ouch | |||
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"How Sweden is so relaxed about covid " Thanks sweety x | |||
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"Has anyone checked on the ‘but what about Sweden’ lads lately? They seem to have gone a bit quiet." You are right. The 'but what about Sweden' lads have gone a bit quiet lately. And that's because they realise that Sweden is no different, and they are experiencing a raise in infection cases - just like the rest of Europe. Sweden's daily infections have risen sharply within 6 weeks: 5 September = 171 14 October = 970 28 October = 3,396 ------------------------------- And they are not doing too well compared to their neighbours who locked down. 28 October daily cases: Norway = 403 Finland = 217 Sweden = 3,396 -------------------------------- Due to the rise in cases, the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control has marked Sweden with an 'orange alert' The rise in infections has also prompted Sweden to introduce local lockdowns in the cities of Uppsala and Malmo - something they have introduced for the first time since the start of the pandemic. Regarding the local lockdowns, Anders Tegnell Sweden's top epidemiologist said in a recent news conference : “This is the first time we are using this type of guidance and now we will see how effective we can make it.” Dr Johan Nojd, who leads the infectious diseases department in Uppsala (Sweden), also said: - that if contact tracing shows further links between activities and infections they will not hesitate to impose even tougher measures. So Sweden, the country reluctant to impose lockdowns earlier, has learnt from its past, and is now adopting the strategy of its European counterparts by introducing local Lockdowns to curb the spread of the virus. | |||
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"Has anyone checked on the ‘but what about Sweden’ lads lately? They seem to have gone a bit quiet. You are right. The 'but what about Sweden' lads have gone a bit quiet lately. And that's because they realise that Sweden is no different, and they are experiencing a raise in infection cases - just like the rest of Europe. Sweden's daily infections have risen sharply within 6 weeks: 5 September = 171 14 October = 970 28 October = 3,396 ------------------------------- And they are not doing too well compared to their neighbours who locked down. 28 October daily cases: Norway = 403 Finland = 217 Sweden = 3,396 -------------------------------- Due to the rise in cases, the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control has marked Sweden with an 'orange alert' The rise in infections has also prompted Sweden to introduce local lockdowns in the cities of Uppsala and Malmo - something they have introduced for the first time since the start of the pandemic. Regarding the local lockdowns, Anders Tegnell Sweden's top epidemiologist said in a recent news conference : “This is the first time we are using this type of guidance and now we will see how effective we can make it.” Dr Johan Nojd, who leads the infectious diseases department in Uppsala (Sweden), also said: - that if contact tracing shows further links between activities and infections they will not hesitate to impose even tougher measures. So Sweden, the country reluctant to impose lockdowns earlier, has learnt from its past, and is now adopting the strategy of its European counterparts by introducing local Lockdowns to curb the spread of the virus. " Tegnell said at the beginning that restrictions may have to be imposed going into winter. | |||
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"Masks aren’t making any difference, it’s blatantly obvious. Europe’s been wearing them for months & it’s done fuck all. " Prove it ... | |||
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"Masks aren’t making any difference, it’s blatantly obvious. Europe’s been wearing them for months & it’s done fuck all. Prove it ..." Second wave. Second lockdown. | |||
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"Masks aren’t making any difference, it’s blatantly obvious. Europe’s been wearing them for months & it’s done fuck all. Prove it ... Second wave. Second lockdown. " Delayed by wearing face coverings Prove otherwise | |||
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"Masks aren’t making any difference, it’s blatantly obvious. Europe’s been wearing them for months & it’s done fuck all. " What a load of bollocks. | |||
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"Has anyone checked on the ‘but what about Sweden’ lads lately? They seem to have gone a bit quiet. You are right. The 'but what about Sweden' lads have gone a bit quiet lately. And that's because they realise that Sweden is no different, and they are experiencing a raise in infection cases - just like the rest of Europe. Sweden's daily infections have risen sharply within 6 weeks: 5 September = 171 14 October = 970 28 October = 3,396 ------------------------------- And they are not doing too well compared to their neighbours who locked down. 28 October daily cases: Norway = 403 Finland = 217 Sweden = 3,396 -------------------------------- Due to the rise in cases, the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control has marked Sweden with an 'orange alert' The rise in infections has also prompted Sweden to introduce local lockdowns in the cities of Uppsala and Malmo - something they have introduced for the first time since the start of the pandemic. Regarding the local lockdowns, Anders Tegnell Sweden's top epidemiologist said in a recent news conference : “This is the first time we are using this type of guidance and now we will see how effective we can make it.” Dr Johan Nojd, who leads the infectious diseases department in Uppsala (Sweden), also said: - that if contact tracing shows further links between activities and infections they will not hesitate to impose even tougher measures. So Sweden, the country reluctant to impose lockdowns earlier, has learnt from its past, and is now adopting the strategy of its European counterparts by introducing local Lockdowns to curb the spread of the virus. Tegnell said at the beginning that restrictions may have to be imposed going into winter. " “........ Tegnell said at the beginning that restrictions may have to be imposed going into winter....” —————————————- And why wait till winter?? If Tegnell has done that back in Spring it would have saved more lives. | |||
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"Masks aren’t making any difference, it’s blatantly obvious. Europe’s been wearing them for months & it’s done fuck all. Prove it ... Second wave. Second lockdown. Delayed by wearing face coverings Prove otherwise" prove masks have done any good ? Look at Spain masks from the start | |||
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"Hi x I don't think people should wear mask think it's adding to the problem only if you are funerable and think it might help " I’d love to hear your considered scientific view on that. In my experience I’ve often found when an individual can’t comprehend that wearing a mask offers little protection but does significantly reduce your ability to infect others if you are asymptotic then the argument is slightly flawed. Should they also be unable to spell vulnerable it can also undermine credibility of that statement further. | |||
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"Masks aren’t making any difference, it’s blatantly obvious. Europe’s been wearing them for months & it’s done fuck all. Prove it ... Second wave. Second lockdown. Delayed by wearing face coverings Prove otherwise prove masks have done any good ? Look at Spain masks from the start " Isn’t the way you should be thinking about this far more basic... Spain, France, Italy, Germany... or indeed the U.K.... we are in the shit, hospital admissions and deaths are all on the rise. That’s despite what are unprecedented measures taken to try to subdue the virus. You’ve never once in these forums said what we should do... what’s the answer? I’m sure like the rest of fab I am sat here on tender hooks awaiting the words of genius from Fabs most insightful couple. Back to the OP: Sweden has for the past week recorded its worst figures throughout the pandemic despite the various measures they have in place plus their unique geographical and population advantages for this pandemic. | |||
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"Masks aren’t making any difference, it’s blatantly obvious. Europe’s been wearing them for months & it’s done fuck all. Prove it ... Second wave. Second lockdown. Delayed by wearing face coverings Prove otherwise prove masks have done any good ? Look at Spain masks from the start " There's plenty of evidence they help There's ZERO evidence they don't except shit from those that feel entitled not to bother. | |||
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"Has anyone checked on the ‘but what about Sweden’ lads lately? They seem to have gone a bit quiet. You are right. The 'but what about Sweden' lads have gone a bit quiet lately. And that's because they realise that Sweden is no different, and they are experiencing a raise in infection cases - just like the rest of Europe. Sweden's daily infections have risen sharply within 6 weeks: 5 September = 171 14 October = 970 28 October = 3,396 ------------------------------- And they are not doing too well compared to their neighbours who locked down. 28 October daily cases: Norway = 403 Finland = 217 Sweden = 3,396 -------------------------------- Due to the rise in cases, the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control has marked Sweden with an 'orange alert' The rise in infections has also prompted Sweden to introduce local lockdowns in the cities of Uppsala and Malmo - something they have introduced for the first time since the start of the pandemic. Regarding the local lockdowns, Anders Tegnell Sweden's top epidemiologist said in a recent news conference : “This is the first time we are using this type of guidance and now we will see how effective we can make it.” Dr Johan Nojd, who leads the infectious diseases department in Uppsala (Sweden), also said: - that if contact tracing shows further links between activities and infections they will not hesitate to impose even tougher measures. So Sweden, the country reluctant to impose lockdowns earlier, has learnt from its past, and is now adopting the strategy of its European counterparts by introducing local Lockdowns to curb the spread of the virus. Tegnell said at the beginning that restrictions may have to be imposed going into winter. “........ Tegnell said at the beginning that restrictions may have to be imposed going into winter....” —————————————- And why wait till winter?? If Tegnell has done that back in Spring it would have saved more lives. " You can ask but I'm not sure he's on here. | |||
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"Has anyone checked on the ‘but what about Sweden’ lads lately? They seem to have gone a bit quiet. You are right. The 'but what about Sweden' lads have gone a bit quiet lately. And that's because they realise that Sweden is no different, and they are experiencing a raise in infection cases - just like the rest of Europe. Sweden's daily infections have risen sharply within 6 weeks: 5 September = 171 14 October = 970 28 October = 3,396 ------------------------------- And they are not doing too well compared to their neighbours who locked down. 28 October daily cases: Norway = 403 Finland = 217 Sweden = 3,396 -------------------------------- Due to the rise in cases, the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control has marked Sweden with an 'orange alert' The rise in infections has also prompted Sweden to introduce local lockdowns in the cities of Uppsala and Malmo - something they have introduced for the first time since the start of the pandemic. Regarding the local lockdowns, Anders Tegnell Sweden's top epidemiologist said in a recent news conference : “This is the first time we are using this type of guidance and now we will see how effective we can make it.” Dr Johan Nojd, who leads the infectious diseases department in Uppsala (Sweden), also said: - that if contact tracing shows further links between activities and infections they will not hesitate to impose even tougher measures. So Sweden, the country reluctant to impose lockdowns earlier, has learnt from its past, and is now adopting the strategy of its European counterparts by introducing local Lockdowns to curb the spread of the virus. Tegnell said at the beginning that restrictions may have to be imposed going into winter. “........ Tegnell said at the beginning that restrictions may have to be imposed going into winter....” —————————————- And why wait till winter?? If Tegnell has done that back in Spring it would have saved more lives. You can ask but I'm not sure he's on here." “....... You can ask but I'm not sure he's on here.....” ———————————- Ok well I’ve just sent Tegnell an email. I’ll let you know his response when he gets back to me.  | |||
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"I suppose the good thing about Tegnell is that he doesn’t seem to be letting ego get in the way of his advice. The situation has changed and he has changed the advice he is giving." So True  | |||
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"Has anyone checked on the ‘but what about Sweden’ lads lately? They seem to have gone a bit quiet. You are right. The 'but what about Sweden' lads have gone a bit quiet lately. And that's because they realise that Sweden is no different, and they are experiencing a raise in infection cases - just like the rest of Europe. Sweden's daily infections have risen sharply within 6 weeks: 5 September = 171 14 October = 970 28 October = 3,396 ------------------------------- And they are not doing too well compared to their neighbours who locked down. 28 October daily cases: Norway = 403 Finland = 217 Sweden = 3,396 -------------------------------- Due to the rise in cases, the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control has marked Sweden with an 'orange alert' The rise in infections has also prompted Sweden to introduce local lockdowns in the cities of Uppsala and Malmo - something they have introduced for the first time since the start of the pandemic. Regarding the local lockdowns, Anders Tegnell Sweden's top epidemiologist said in a recent news conference : “This is the first time we are using this type of guidance and now we will see how effective we can make it.” Dr Johan Nojd, who leads the infectious diseases department in Uppsala (Sweden), also said: - that if contact tracing shows further links between activities and infections they will not hesitate to impose even tougher measures. So Sweden, the country reluctant to impose lockdowns earlier, has learnt from its past, and is now adopting the strategy of its European counterparts by introducing local Lockdowns to curb the spread of the virus. Tegnell said at the beginning that restrictions may have to be imposed going into winter. “........ Tegnell said at the beginning that restrictions may have to be imposed going into winter....” —————————————- And why wait till winter?? If Tegnell has done that back in Spring it would have saved more lives. You can ask but I'm not sure he's on here. “....... You can ask but I'm not sure he's on here.....” ———————————- Ok well I’ve just sent Tegnell an email. I’ll let you know his response when he gets back to me. " | |||
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"Did anyone actually spend a few seconds checking case numbers and death numbers for Sweden? The death numbers are very low and the case numbers are high. Could that be because more people in Sweden are being tested?" Could be sweden has one of the highest health spends per person in the world. Could be they killed off a lot of the old and vunerable in the first wave. They are a week or so behind the uk increased infections take a while to lead to increased deaths. | |||
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"Currently in Sweden and it feels like on different planet compared to UK right now. Can you tell us more? Only been here since Friday, but almost feels surreal how chilled everyone is and how life simply goes on. Have a lovely time! Enjoy that peace and alternate reality, before returning
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"Did anyone actually spend a few seconds checking case numbers and death numbers for Sweden? The death numbers are very low and the case numbers are high. Could that be because more people in Sweden are being tested? Could be sweden has one of the highest health spends per person in the world. Could be they killed off a lot of the old and vunerable in the first wave. They are a week or so behind the uk increased infections take a while to lead to increased deaths." Could be genes? Read an article on BBC today about why Asians generally and India in particularly seem to have stronger resistance to infection and consequences.? Still so much that is unknown. | |||
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"Has anyone checked on the ‘but what about Sweden’ lads lately? They seem to have gone a bit quiet. You are right. The 'but what about Sweden' lads have gone a bit quiet lately. And that's because they realise that Sweden is no different, and they are experiencing a raise in infection cases - just like the rest of Europe. Sweden's daily infections have risen sharply within 6 weeks: 5 September = 171 14 October = 970 28 October = 3,396 ------------------------------- And they are not doing too well compared to their neighbours who locked down. 28 October daily cases: Norway = 403 Finland = 217 Sweden = 3,396 -------------------------------- Due to the rise in cases, the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control has marked Sweden with an 'orange alert' The rise in infections has also prompted Sweden to introduce local lockdowns in the cities of Uppsala and Malmo - something they have introduced for the first time since the start of the pandemic. Regarding the local lockdowns, Anders Tegnell Sweden's top epidemiologist said in a recent news conference : “This is the first time we are using this type of guidance and now we will see how effective we can make it.” Dr Johan Nojd, who leads the infectious diseases department in Uppsala (Sweden), also said: - that if contact tracing shows further links between activities and infections they will not hesitate to impose even tougher measures. So Sweden, the country reluctant to impose lockdowns earlier, has learnt from its past, and is now adopting the strategy of its European counterparts by introducing local Lockdowns to curb the spread of the virus. " And to add to all this: Sweden has now been removed from the UK's quarantine-free list as of 4 am today. Travellers returning or arriving from Sweden will be subject to the blanket two-week quarantine policy if they enter the UK after 4am on 7 November. | |||
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"Let me tell you about Sweden, only country where the clouds are interesting, big brother says its the place to go, to much time to think to little too do, because its all quite on the Eastern front" Is English your first language? | |||
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"Let me tell you about Sweden, only country where the clouds are interesting, big brother says its the place to go, to much time to think to little too do, because its all quite on the Eastern front Is English your first language?" Stranglers lyrics. | |||
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"Let me tell you about Sweden, only country where the clouds are interesting, big brother says its the place to go, to much time to think to little too do, because its all quite on the Eastern front Is English your first language? Stranglers lyrics." It was the to/too bits I was referring to. | |||
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"Has anyone checked on the ‘but what about Sweden’ lads lately? They seem to have gone a bit quiet. You are right. The 'but what about Sweden' lads have gone a bit quiet lately. And that's because they realise that Sweden is no different, and they are experiencing a raise in infection cases - just like the rest of Europe. Sweden's daily infections have risen sharply within 6 weeks: 5 September = 171 14 October = 970 28 October = 3,396 ------------------------------- And they are not doing too well compared to their neighbours who locked down. 28 October daily cases: Norway = 403 Finland = 217 Sweden = 3,396 -------------------------------- Due to the rise in cases, the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control has marked Sweden with an 'orange alert' The rise in infections has also prompted Sweden to introduce local lockdowns in the cities of Uppsala and Malmo - something they have introduced for the first time since the start of the pandemic. Regarding the local lockdowns, Anders Tegnell Sweden's top epidemiologist said in a recent news conference : “This is the first time we are using this type of guidance and now we will see how effective we can make it.” Dr Johan Nojd, who leads the infectious diseases department in Uppsala (Sweden), also said: - that if contact tracing shows further links between activities and infections they will not hesitate to impose even tougher measures. So Sweden, the country reluctant to impose lockdowns earlier, has learnt from its past, and is now adopting the strategy of its European counterparts by introducing local Lockdowns to curb the spread of the virus. And to add to all this: Sweden has now been removed from the UK's quarantine-free list as of 4 am today. Travellers returning or arriving from Sweden will be subject to the blanket two-week quarantine policy if they enter the UK after 4am on 7 November." Can't understand why, they don't have Covid in Sweden ... | |||
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"Has anyone checked on the ‘but what about Sweden’ lads lately? They seem to have gone a bit quiet. You are right. The 'but what about Sweden' lads have gone a bit quiet lately. And that's because they realise that Sweden is no different, and they are experiencing a raise in infection cases - just like the rest of Europe. Sweden's daily infections have risen sharply within 6 weeks: 5 September = 171 14 October = 970 28 October = 3,396 ------------------------------- And they are not doing too well compared to their neighbours who locked down. 28 October daily cases: Norway = 403 Finland = 217 Sweden = 3,396 -------------------------------- Due to the rise in cases, the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control has marked Sweden with an 'orange alert' The rise in infections has also prompted Sweden to introduce local lockdowns in the cities of Uppsala and Malmo - something they have introduced for the first time since the start of the pandemic. Regarding the local lockdowns, Anders Tegnell Sweden's top epidemiologist said in a recent news conference : “This is the first time we are using this type of guidance and now we will see how effective we can make it.” Dr Johan Nojd, who leads the infectious diseases department in Uppsala (Sweden), also said: - that if contact tracing shows further links between activities and infections they will not hesitate to impose even tougher measures. So Sweden, the country reluctant to impose lockdowns earlier, has learnt from its past, and is now adopting the strategy of its European counterparts by introducing local Lockdowns to curb the spread of the virus. And to add to all this: Sweden has now been removed from the UK's quarantine-free list as of 4 am today. Travellers returning or arriving from Sweden will be subject to the blanket two-week quarantine policy if they enter the UK after 4am on 7 November. Can't understand why, they don't have Covid in Sweden ..." Whereas if you’re from Denmark you’re not coming in. | |||
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"Has anyone checked on the ‘but what about Sweden’ lads lately? They seem to have gone a bit quiet. You are right. The 'but what about Sweden' lads have gone a bit quiet lately. And that's because they realise that Sweden is no different, and they are experiencing a raise in infection cases - just like the rest of Europe. Sweden's daily infections have risen sharply within 6 weeks: 5 September = 171 14 October = 970 28 October = 3,396 ------------------------------- And they are not doing too well compared to their neighbours who locked down. 28 October daily cases: Norway = 403 Finland = 217 Sweden = 3,396 -------------------------------- Due to the rise in cases, the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control has marked Sweden with an 'orange alert' The rise in infections has also prompted Sweden to introduce local lockdowns in the cities of Uppsala and Malmo - something they have introduced for the first time since the start of the pandemic. Regarding the local lockdowns, Anders Tegnell Sweden's top epidemiologist said in a recent news conference : “This is the first time we are using this type of guidance and now we will see how effective we can make it.” Dr Johan Nojd, who leads the infectious diseases department in Uppsala (Sweden), also said: - that if contact tracing shows further links between activities and infections they will not hesitate to impose even tougher measures. So Sweden, the country reluctant to impose lockdowns earlier, has learnt from its past, and is now adopting the strategy of its European counterparts by introducing local Lockdowns to curb the spread of the virus. And to add to all this: Sweden has now been removed from the UK's quarantine-free list as of 4 am today. Travellers returning or arriving from Sweden will be subject to the blanket two-week quarantine policy if they enter the UK after 4am on 7 November. Can't understand why, they don't have Covid in Sweden ... Whereas if you’re from Denmark you’re not coming in." Whereas if you’re from Norway & Finland (Sweden’s next door neighbours) you’re allowed in and you don’t need to quarantine or self isolate. | |||
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"Has anyone checked on the ‘but what about Sweden’ lads lately? They seem to have gone a bit quiet. You are right. The 'but what about Sweden' lads have gone a bit quiet lately. And that's because they realise that Sweden is no different, and they are experiencing a raise in infection cases - just like the rest of Europe. Sweden's daily infections have risen sharply within 6 weeks: 5 September = 171 14 October = 970 28 October = 3,396 ------------------------------- And they are not doing too well compared to their neighbours who locked down. 28 October daily cases: Norway = 403 Finland = 217 Sweden = 3,396 -------------------------------- Due to the rise in cases, the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control has marked Sweden with an 'orange alert' The rise in infections has also prompted Sweden to introduce local lockdowns in the cities of Uppsala and Malmo - something they have introduced for the first time since the start of the pandemic. Regarding the local lockdowns, Anders Tegnell Sweden's top epidemiologist said in a recent news conference : “This is the first time we are using this type of guidance and now we will see how effective we can make it.” Dr Johan Nojd, who leads the infectious diseases department in Uppsala (Sweden), also said: - that if contact tracing shows further links between activities and infections they will not hesitate to impose even tougher measures. So Sweden, the country reluctant to impose lockdowns earlier, has learnt from its past, and is now adopting the strategy of its European counterparts by introducing local Lockdowns to curb the spread of the virus. And to add to all this: Sweden has now been removed from the UK's quarantine-free list as of 4 am today. Travellers returning or arriving from Sweden will be subject to the blanket two-week quarantine policy if they enter the UK after 4am on 7 November. Can't understand why, they don't have Covid in Sweden ... Whereas if you’re from Denmark you’re not coming in. Whereas if you’re from Norway & Finland (Sweden’s next door neighbours) you’re allowed in and you don’t need to quarantine or self isolate. "And if you're a mink and you're in Denmark, you're fucked | |||
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"Going off Sweden’s death figures in the last few months I think they’d be safer staying there." I can’t understand it, some of the world’s greatest virologists said, on this very forum, that Sweden had cracked it and they knew how to live with Covid19. They were the example we should follow. This must be fake news.  | |||
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"Going off Sweden’s death figures in the last few months I think they’d be safer staying there. I can’t understand it, some of the world’s greatest virologists said, on this very forum, that Sweden had cracked it and they knew how to live with Covid19. They were the example we should follow. This must be fake news. "You’re right (allshewants)
Fab’s greatest virologist always said:
‘What about Sweden ?’
‘Sweden got it right’
‘Sweden’s model is the one to follow’
Sadly we are not hearing from these Fab virologists anymore - now that things have taken a negative turn in Sweden as is highlighted above, plus the recent addition of Sweden to the UK’s travel quarantine red-list.
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"Masks aren’t making any difference, it’s blatantly obvious. Europe’s been wearing them for months & it’s done fuck all. " This is what puzzles me ... how do you know what the case numbers and deaths would be without masks. It’s like comparing apples to pears - just nonsense | |||
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"Hi x I don't think people should wear mask think it's adding to the problem only if you are funerable and think it might help " Wearing a mask is to protect others in case you have the virus and are not showing symptoms yet | |||
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"Masks aren’t making any difference, it’s blatantly obvious. Europe’s been wearing them for months & it’s done fuck all. You can't say that because you don't know how bad it would have been if nobody wore one " | |||
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"Going off Sweden’s death figures in the last few months I think they’d be safer staying there." So two people dying from covid yesterday in Sweden is a disaster? | |||
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"Going off Sweden’s death figures in the last few months I think they’d be safer staying there. So two people dying from covid yesterday in Sweden is a disaster?" Its was 9 today 21 yesterday. 13 is the rolling 7 days. Disaster may be a bit strong but they are not doing well death wise compared comparable countries to say finland or Norway. Their infection rate has been rising for nearly 2 months and accelerating. | |||
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"Going off Sweden’s death figures in the last few months I think they’d be safer staying there. So two people dying from covid yesterday in Sweden is a disaster?" Thirteen | |||
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"Going off Sweden’s death figures in the last few months I think they’d be safer staying there. So two people dying from covid yesterday in Sweden is a disaster? Thirteen" You're right 2 was the the day before yesterday, thirteen is a disaster. They should lock down immediately. | |||
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"Going off Sweden’s death figures in the last few months I think they’d be safer staying there. So two people dying from covid yesterday in Sweden is a disaster? Thirteen You're right 2 was the the day before yesterday, thirteen is a disaster. They should lock down immediately. " "....You're right 2 was the the day before yesterday, thirteen is a disaster. They should lock down immediately....." --------------------------- They have already introduced local lockdowns in the cities of Uppsala and Malmo - in case you didn't know that. They have introduced local lockdowns for the very first time - something they were reluctant to do earlier in Spring. And here's why: Their daily infection rates: 5 September = 171 14 October = 970 28 October = 3,396 4 November = 4,497 As you can see, their cases are rising sharply. The deaths may seem low for now, but as cases rise, it will ultimately lead to higher death figures. Sweden has learnt lessons from their high death toll during the first wave ( the highest among the Nordics). They are not prepared to wait till the death toll runs into hundreds a day before they take action. So this time round, they have decided to follow the strategy of their European counterparts - which is to introduce local lockdowns to reduce the spread of the virus, which will in turn keep the death figures low. | |||
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"Going off Sweden’s death figures in the last few months I think they’d be safer staying there. So two people dying from covid yesterday in Sweden is a disaster? Thirteen You're right 2 was the the day before yesterday, thirteen is a disaster. They should lock down immediately. " yep remember whe the uk was 2 then 13 now 500 so whats your point again ? | |||
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"Read an article explaining the difference between east and west of the world dealing with covid: "Within a week of Malaysia declaring its lockdown, some 95% of the population had complied with the order. Confucianism, a cultural force in East Asia that advocates duty to society over individual needs." Another words, they acted fast, all worked together and their government was robust and headstrong right from the beginning....lesson to learn if we encounter anything like this again... or will Europe learn from their mistakes? " Totally correct, as much as we vocalise against a number of societies across the world there’s so many examples of populations with discipline and society over individualism who have managed this so much better than ourselves | |||
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"Read an article explaining the difference between east and west of the world dealing with covid: "Within a week of Malaysia declaring its lockdown, some 95% of the population had complied with the order. Confucianism, a cultural force in East Asia that advocates duty to society over individual needs." Another words, they acted fast, all worked together and their government was robust and headstrong right from the beginning....lesson to learn if we encounter anything like this again... or will Europe learn from their mistakes? " That's true, countries in Oceania, East & South East Asia had a much more robust response from the onset; and they have a population that thinks 'community'; plus their populations are very compliant to rules and guidance. | |||
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"Read an article explaining the difference between east and west of the world dealing with covid: "Within a week of Malaysia declaring its lockdown, some 95% of the population had complied with the order. Confucianism, a cultural force in East Asia that advocates duty to society over individual needs." Another words, they acted fast, all worked together and their government was robust and headstrong right from the beginning....lesson to learn if we encounter anything like this again... or will Europe learn from their mistakes? That's true, countries in Oceania, East & South East Asia had a much more robust response from the onset; and they have a population that thinks 'community'; plus their populations are very compliant to rules and guidance. " Isnt it a real shame we can't shoot people for not wearing a mask. I bet the numbers of "I'm entitled" would drop them .. | |||
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"Isnt it a real shame we can't shoot people for not wearing a mask. I bet the numbers of "I'm entitled" would drop them .. " It beggars belief how low some people can go to. I hope you never witness shooting of people. North Korea seems the most suitable place for you. | |||
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"Isnt it a real shame we can't shoot people for not wearing a mask. I bet the numbers of "I'm entitled" would drop them .. It beggars belief how low some people can go to. I hope you never witness shooting of people. North Korea seems the most suitable place for you. " He does come out with some crap sometimes. | |||
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"Read an article explaining the difference between east and west of the world dealing with covid: "Within a week of Malaysia declaring its lockdown, some 95% of the population had complied with the order. Confucianism, a cultural force in East Asia that advocates duty to society over individual needs." Another words, they acted fast, all worked together and their government was robust and headstrong right from the beginning....lesson to learn if we encounter anything like this again... or will Europe learn from their mistakes? That's true, countries in Oceania, East & South East Asia had a much more robust response from the onset; and they have a population that thinks 'community'; plus their populations are very compliant to rules and guidance. Isnt it a real shame we can't shoot people for not wearing a mask. I bet the numbers of "I'm entitled" would drop them .. " That would give them peace from your blame laying rants! | |||
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"Read an article explaining the difference between east and west of the world dealing with covid: "Within a week of Malaysia declaring its lockdown, some 95% of the population had complied with the order. Confucianism, a cultural force in East Asia that advocates duty to society over individual needs." Another words, they acted fast, all worked together and their government was robust and headstrong right from the beginning....lesson to learn if we encounter anything like this again... or will Europe learn from their mistakes? That's true, countries in Oceania, East & South East Asia had a much more robust response from the onset; and they have a population that thinks 'community'; plus their populations are very compliant to rules and guidance. Isnt it a real shame we can't shoot people for not wearing a mask. I bet the numbers of "I'm entitled" would drop them .. That would give them peace from your blame laying rants! " | |||
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"I used to live and work in Sweden. They just have everything set up for the people of the country rather than being run by closet dictators. They are smart people and know how to work with and follow systems. I’m not surprised they survived without a lock down. However, some of the rudest people I have ever met. And they are so emotionless in the most part. " "........ I’m not surprised they survived without a lock down....." ---------------------------------- They didn't do well without a lockdown though. Among the Nordic countries, they have the highest number of infections and the worst death per capita. They also stand at # 17 out of 195 countries in covid deaths per capita. Currently their daily infections are highest in the Nordics. This has caused them to make a shift from the 'no lockdown strategy' and now they are doing what other European countries have been doing all along. They are now implementing local lockdowns to curb the spread of the virus which is rising exponentially in some of their cities. | |||
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"17 out of 195 is pretty good for it not being an island.." 17 out of 195 1 being the worst, and 195 the best. So, 17 is very bad ( among the top 20 worst cases) | |||
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"I used to live and work in Sweden. They just have everything set up for the people of the country rather than being run by closet dictators. They are smart people and know how to work with and follow systems. I’m not surprised they survived without a lock down. However, some of the rudest people I have ever met. And they are so emotionless in the most part. " I don’t think they are rude as such, they just don’t see the value in small talk etc. I’ve worked with a few Scandinavians and they have tended to be reasonably warm people in my experience but just at the appropriate times. It’s different but I see them more as people who only talk when they have something to say, which is alien to extroverts but I find it quite refreshing. | |||
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"Masks aren’t making any difference, it’s blatantly obvious. Europe’s been wearing them for months & it’s done fuck all. Prove it ... Second wave. Second lockdown. " Well, say no more. Don't go out as I'm sure very important, clever, scientist type of people will be on the phone soon for more pearl's of wisdom. | |||
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"Let me tell you about Sweden, only country where the clouds are interesting, big brother says its the place to go, to much time to think to little too do, because its all quite on the Eastern front" My thoughts exactly | |||
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"Let me tell you about Sweden, only country where the clouds are interesting, big brother says its the place to go, to much time to think to little too do, because its all quite on the Eastern front Is English your first language?" Yes, it isn't. | |||
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"17 out of 195 is pretty good for it not being an island.. 17 out of 195 1 being the worst, and 195 the best. So, 17 is very bad ( among the top 20 worst cases)" Ah, apologies I thought it was the other way round. I think we are on about different points in time across the pandemic. Yes, they are struggling now but how did they survive when the world was previously at its peak? It’s not even killed 1% of the population.. I don’t understand why it’s such a worry. But that’s just my opinion | |||
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"I see Sweden are banning the sale of alcohol after 10pm and they're starting to see several thousand cases a day now. " Alcohol is only sold between 9-5 and 7 on Thursdays. Unless you are on about pubs/restaurants? | |||
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"I see Sweden are banning the sale of alcohol after 10pm and they're starting to see several thousand cases a day now. Alcohol is only sold between 9-5 and 7 on Thursdays. Unless you are on about pubs/restaurants?" Yep | |||
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"https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/sweden-wrong-herd-immunity-says-23014969" Yes, Sweden's strategy has been wrong from the beginning. Tegnell predicted Sweden would have a "high level of immunity" and a low number of cases during a second wave. He was wrong about that too. Cases are rising sharply; rising far much more than in Norway and Finland - who locked down. They are slowly changing tact. They now realise that the original 'no lockdown strategy' was a failure. So they have now introduced local lockdowns in some cities with very high infections. Stricter restrictions have also been imposed in 17 of 21 regions by their Public Heath agency. | |||
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"https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/sweden-wrong-herd-immunity-says-23014969 Yes, Sweden's strategy has been wrong from the beginning." The Swedish government should seek advice from fab epidemiologysts perhaps
"Despite increasing fears around a second wave of coronavirus, Prime Minister Mr Lofven has insisted a national lockdown is not required to curb the accelerating spread of infections and that the current restrictions in place are sufficient.
He added the new "tough" coronavirus measures are the most invasive in Sweden in “modern times”.
Mr Lofven said: "We don't believe in a total lockdown.
"We believe that the measures we have taken are appropriate." | |||
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"https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/sweden-wrong-herd-immunity-says-23014969 Yes, Sweden's strategy has been wrong from the beginning. The Swedish government should seek advice from fab epidemiologysts perhaps
"Despite increasing fears around a second wave of coronavirus, Prime Minister Mr Lofven has insisted a national lockdown is not required to curb the accelerating spread of infections and that the current restrictions in place are sufficient.
He added the new "tough" coronavirus measures are the most invasive in Sweden in “modern times”.
Mr Lofven said: "We don't believe in a total lockdown.
"We believe that the measures we have taken are appropriate."""....He added the new "tough" coronavirus measures are the most invasive in Sweden in “modern times..." --------------------------------- Ahh, so they've finally woken up to realise that 'tough' measures are needed to curb the spread of the virus. Tough measures - which if they had been implemented in Spring would have saved a lot more lives. Ah well, better late than never as they say. | |||
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"How Sweden is so relaxed about covid " Was reading through and forgot it was about Sweden lol | |||
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"https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/sweden-wrong-herd-immunity-says-23014969 Yes, Sweden's strategy has been wrong from the beginning. The Swedish government should seek advice from fab epidemiologysts perhaps
"Despite increasing fears around a second wave of coronavirus, Prime Minister Mr Lofven has insisted a national lockdown is not required to curb the accelerating spread of infections and that the current restrictions in place are sufficient.
He added the new "tough" coronavirus measures are the most invasive in Sweden in “modern times”.
Mr Lofven said: "We don't believe in a total lockdown.
"We believe that the measures we have taken are appropriate.""I think they're making a big enough fk up themselves without outside help. No worse than many other countries no better than many other countries. | |||
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"https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/sweden-wrong-herd-immunity-says-23014969 Yes, Sweden's strategy has been wrong from the beginning. The Swedish government should seek advice from fab epidemiologysts perhaps
"Despite increasing fears around a second wave of coronavirus, Prime Minister Mr Lofven has insisted a national lockdown is not required to curb the accelerating spread of infections and that the current restrictions in place are sufficient.
He added the new "tough" coronavirus measures are the most invasive in Sweden in “modern times”.
Mr Lofven said: "We don't believe in a total lockdown.
"We believe that the measures we have taken are appropriate."
"....He added the new "tough" coronavirus measures are the most invasive in Sweden in “modern times..."
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Ahh, so they've finally woken up to realise that 'tough' measures are needed to curb the spread of the virus. Tough measures - which if they had been implemented in Spring would have saved a lot more lives.
Ah well, better late than never as they say."Those tough measures consist of reducing the number of people gathering from 50 to 8 in public places. It doesn’t apply to private gatherings. The other tough measures consist of recommendations to avoid public transport and shops. | |||
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"https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/sweden-wrong-herd-immunity-says-23014969 Yes, Sweden's strategy has been wrong from the beginning. The Swedish government should seek advice from fab epidemiologysts perhaps
"Despite increasing fears around a second wave of coronavirus, Prime Minister Mr Lofven has insisted a national lockdown is not required to curb the accelerating spread of infections and that the current restrictions in place are sufficient.
He added the new "tough" coronavirus measures are the most invasive in Sweden in “modern times”.
Mr Lofven said: "We don't believe in a total lockdown.
"We believe that the measures we have taken are appropriate."
"....He added the new "tough" coronavirus measures are the most invasive in Sweden in “modern times..."
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Ahh, so they've finally woken up to realise that 'tough' measures are needed to curb the spread of the virus. Tough measures - which if they had been implemented in Spring would have saved a lot more lives.
Ah well, better late than never as they say.
Those tough measures consist of reducing the number of people gathering from 50 to 8 in public places. It doesn’t apply to private gatherings.
The other tough measures consist of recommendations to avoid public transport and shops.
"**"...Those tough measures consist of reducing the number of people gathering from 50 to 8 in public places. It doesn’t apply to private gatherings. The other tough measures consist of recommendations to avoid public transport and shops..."** ----------------------------- And all what you have just said above, elaborates and confirms what I said earlier, and that is: Sweden is taking 'Tougher Measures' to curb the spread of the virus. And why do you think they are taking these 'Tougher Measures'?? Because Sweden is experiencing a Second Wave. Something which you and some others seem to be in denial about. | |||
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"https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/sweden-wrong-herd-immunity-says-23014969 Yes, Sweden's strategy has been wrong from the beginning. The Swedish government should seek advice from fab epidemiologysts perhaps
"Despite increasing fears around a second wave of coronavirus, Prime Minister Mr Lofven has insisted a national lockdown is not required to curb the accelerating spread of infections and that the current restrictions in place are sufficient.
He added the new "tough" coronavirus measures are the most invasive in Sweden in “modern times”.
Mr Lofven said: "We don't believe in a total lockdown.
"We believe that the measures we have taken are appropriate."
"....He added the new "tough" coronavirus measures are the most invasive in Sweden in “modern times..."
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Ahh, so they've finally woken up to realise that 'tough' measures are needed to curb the spread of the virus. Tough measures - which if they had been implemented in Spring would have saved a lot more lives.
Ah well, better late than never as they say.
Those tough measures consist of reducing the number of people gathering from 50 to 8 in public places. It doesn’t apply to private gatherings.
The other tough measures consist of recommendations to avoid public transport and shops.
**"...Those tough measures consist of reducing the number of people gathering from 50 to 8 in public places. It doesn’t apply to private gatherings.
The other tough measures consist of recommendations to avoid public transport and shops..."**
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And all what you have just said above, elaborates and confirms what I said earlier, and that is: Sweden is taking 'Tougher Measures' to curb the spread of the virus.
And why do you think they are taking these 'Tougher Measures'??
Because Sweden is experiencing a Second Wave. Something which you and some others seem to be in denial about. "So tougher not tough | |||
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"If lockdown ends on 2 December, will I be able to travel to Sweden and when I get there move around freely without having self isolate in a hotel there which I have to pay for? I don't care about self isolation back in the UK. " They've stopped giving free hotel rooms?  Profiteering plain and simple lol
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"https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/sweden-wrong-herd-immunity-says-23014969 Yes, Sweden's strategy has been wrong from the beginning. The Swedish government should seek advice from fab epidemiologysts perhaps
"Despite increasing fears around a second wave of coronavirus, Prime Minister Mr Lofven has insisted a national lockdown is not required to curb the accelerating spread of infections and that the current restrictions in place are sufficient.
He added the new "tough" coronavirus measures are the most invasive in Sweden in “modern times”.
Mr Lofven said: "We don't believe in a total lockdown.
"We believe that the measures we have taken are appropriate."
"....He added the new "tough" coronavirus measures are the most invasive in Sweden in “modern times..."
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Ahh, so they've finally woken up to realise that 'tough' measures are needed to curb the spread of the virus. Tough measures - which if they had been implemented in Spring would have saved a lot more lives.
Ah well, better late than never as they say.
Those tough measures consist of reducing the number of people gathering from 50 to 8 in public places. It doesn’t apply to private gatherings.
The other tough measures consist of recommendations to avoid public transport and shops.
**"...Those tough measures consist of reducing the number of people gathering from 50 to 8 in public places. It doesn’t apply to private gatherings.
The other tough measures consist of recommendations to avoid public transport and shops..."**
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And all what you have just said above, elaborates and confirms what I said earlier, and that is: Sweden is taking 'Tougher Measures' to curb the spread of the virus.
And why do you think they are taking these 'Tougher Measures'??
Because Sweden is experiencing a Second Wave. Something which you and some others seem to be in denial about.
So tougher not tough "Tough - Tougher - Toughest = all derived from the same word : Tough | |||
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"You don’t have to isolate when you come to sweden" That's nice | |||
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"Brilliant article for those still interested in Swedish approach https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/sweden-covid-and-lockdown-a-look-at-the-data" Yep, compared to their neighbours , Finland and Norway( the most fair comparison) their figures are awful.Tegnall still does’nt believe in aerosol transmission | |||
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"Brilliant article for those still interested in Swedish approach https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/sweden-covid-and-lockdown-a-look-at-the-data Yep, compared to their neighbours , Finland and Norway( the most fair comparison) their figures are awful.Tegnall still does’nt believe in aerosol transmission " Not fair comparison at all if you read all the data | |||
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"Brilliant article for those still interested in Swedish approach https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/sweden-covid-and-lockdown-a-look-at-the-data Yep, compared to their neighbours , Finland and Norway( the most fair comparison) their figures are awful.Tegnall still does’nt believe in aerosol transmission Not fair comparison at all if you read all the data" What's the fair comparison, then? | |||
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"Brilliant article for those still interested in Swedish approach https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/sweden-covid-and-lockdown-a-look-at-the-data Yep, compared to their neighbours , Finland and Norway( the most fair comparison) their figures are awful.Tegnall still does’nt believe in aerosol transmission Not fair comparison at all if you read all the data What's the fair comparison, then?" Genuinely feel sorry for you darling! | |||
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"Brilliant article for those still interested in Swedish approach https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/sweden-covid-and-lockdown-a-look-at-the-data Yep, compared to their neighbours , Finland and Norway( the most fair comparison) their figures are awful.Tegnall still does’nt believe in aerosol transmission Not fair comparison at all if you read all the data What's the fair comparison, then? Genuinely feel sorry for you darling!" Hmm. That doesn't seem to be a country to compare Sweden to | |||
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"Brilliant article for those still interested in Swedish approach https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/sweden-covid-and-lockdown-a-look-at-the-data Yep, compared to their neighbours , Finland and Norway( the most fair comparison) their figures are awful.Tegnall still does’nt believe in aerosol transmission Not fair comparison at all if you read all the data" Climate, geography population density, travel, human behaviour and probably most important similar age profile. Another example might be- what’s the most compatible country to compare the UK with- For me it’s Japan Population density, island, inter connectivity with other countries ... Japan had an aging population though. | |||
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