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"You want the covid Or politics forum, this is a covid free zone. " Someone took the sign off the door  | |||
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"You want the covid Or politics forum, this is a covid free zone. " oh right so where does it say covid free ? | |||
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"I dont think we should, cos a lockdown would be more devestating than the virus, cos peoples livelihoods are at risk."  | |||
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"You want the covid Or politics forum, this is a covid free zone. oh right so where does it say covid free ?" ^^^ up there, you're in the virus room now | |||
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"You want the covid Or politics forum, this is a covid free zone. oh right so where does it say covid free ? ^^^ up there, you're in the virus room now "lol day see that drrrrr | |||
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"Peoples thoughts should we go in lockdown now or do you think the goverment are just delaying it " It's a tough one, the virus would certainly be curtailed by another lockdown, but the financial support needs to come in straight away and at a high level. | |||
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"Peoples thoughts should we go in lockdown now or do you think the goverment are just delaying it It's a tough one, the virus would certainly be curtailed by another lockdown, but the financial support needs to come in straight away and at a high level. " This if there a decent support package in place bring on the lockdown. | |||
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"I honestly think that the government will do all they can to NOT go into lockdown. They are only interested in £££££££ They countries welfare are far from their agenda. " Are you kidding me! They've spent 240 thousand million pounds extra in the last 9 months and that's just the money on the books, there's literally hundreds of billions on the boe books. Willfully inept Out of there depth Stealing our taxes Under the media's thumb But concerned about money, definitely not  | |||
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"I think we'll see tighter restrictions coming in and possibly a Christmas lockdown... "I would be with your thinking, technically respiratory viruses reach peak end of January till late march, I suspect that's when they'll want the numbers suppressing. | |||
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"I dont think we should, cos a lockdown would be more devestating than the virus, cos peoples livelihoods are at risk." That’s true and and we should avoid a lockdown to prevent the economic damage it would cause.
France locked down because this week they had 50,000+ cases on 25th & on the 27th 500+ deaths.
If it gets that bad over here ( let’s hope it doesn’t), then we may end up with tighter restrictions or a possible lockdown. | |||
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"I dont think we should, cos a lockdown would be more devestating than the virus, cos peoples livelihoods are at risk. That’s true and and we should avoid a lockdown to prevent the economic damage it would cause.
France locked down because this week they had 50,000+ cases on 25th & on the 27th 500+ deaths.
If it gets that bad over here ( let’s hope it doesn’t), then we may end up with tighter restrictions or a possible lockdown. "Exactly... Unfortunately, I think we will end up in lockdown by Christmas... | |||
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"Peoples thoughts should we go in lockdown now or do you think the goverment are just delaying it " It will very likely happen tbh, in terms of economy, effectiveness etc we would be far better to go early to minimise the impact. Sadly it’s not really a response that we have a choice on, first time round we did it way too late, I think sadly we have probably reach rates of infection that will be hard to reverse this time round already too. | |||
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"I've just seen the whole of Yorkshire is going into tier3 It's a really tricky one because parts of the South and Southwest have got quite low virus levels so I'm torn between having a full lockdown so that we can try to nip this in the Bud again And just having tight restrictions in certain areas and keep as much of the economy open as possible. We have nerver fully opened back up since March and even with restrictions in place this thing is running wild and could very nearly getting totally of control. So I'm probably leaning towards full lockdown because I just don't know what the other solution is." The whole of yorkshire ? We are tier 1 here. | |||
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"I've just seen the whole of Yorkshire is going into tier3 It's a really tricky one because parts of the South and Southwest have got quite low virus levels so I'm torn between having a full lockdown so that we can try to nip this in the Bud again And just having tight restrictions in certain areas and keep as much of the economy open as possible. We have nerver fully opened back up since March and even with restrictions in place this thing is running wild and could very nearly getting totally of control. So I'm probably leaning towards full lockdown because I just don't know what the other solution is. The whole of yorkshire ? We are tier 1 here." Sorry it just came up as Breaking news on my phone and I think actually se just West Yorkshire. | |||
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"I've just seen the whole of Yorkshire is going into tier3 It's a really tricky one because parts of the South and Southwest have got quite low virus levels so I'm torn between having a full lockdown so that we can try to nip this in the Bud again And just having tight restrictions in certain areas and keep as much of the economy open as possible. We have nerver fully opened back up since March and even with restrictions in place this thing is running wild and could very nearly getting totally of control. So I'm probably leaning towards full lockdown because I just don't know what the other solution is. The whole of yorkshire ? We are tier 1 here. Sorry it just came up as Breaking news on my phone and I think actually se just West Yorkshire. " Was going to say lol. | |||
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"Peoples thoughts should we go in lockdown now or do you think the goverment are just delaying it " They're currently in "what the fuck do we do now " mode Of course lockdown will work, it worked before. They should have a very good idea now who's sprrading the virus and they don't. I think there is definitely a contribution from covidiots but it's now rising too high for that to be the only reason. Maybe the infectiousness of the virus is so high and so bad that governments don't want to tell the public and are pinning all their hopes on a vaccine ... Who knows Recent weeks have definitely proven that we have a better understanding of how to treat people admitted to hospital as not as many are dying, but once the hospitals are full again the deaths might increase more rapidly. We probably NEED another lockdown to put the brakes on the spread but it's getting scary | |||
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"I've just seen the whole of Yorkshire is going into tier3 It's a really tricky one because parts of the South and Southwest have got quite low virus levels so I'm torn between having a full lockdown so that we can try to nip this in the Bud again And just having tight restrictions in certain areas and keep as much of the economy open as possible. We have nerver fully opened back up since March and even with restrictions in place this thing is running wild and could very nearly getting totally of control. So I'm probably leaning towards full lockdown because I just don't know what the other solution is. The whole of yorkshire ? We are tier 1 here. Sorry it just came up as Breaking news on my phone and I think actually se just West Yorkshire. Was going to say lol." I am really sorry I didn't read it properly. Yes it's the whole of West Yorkshire from Monday. | |||
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"I dont think we should, cos a lockdown would be more devestating than the virus, cos peoples livelihoods are at risk." The cure is worse than the disease now. | |||
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"I've just seen the whole of Yorkshire is going into tier3 It's a really tricky one because parts of the South and Southwest have got quite low virus levels so I'm torn between having a full lockdown so that we can try to nip this in the Bud again And just having tight restrictions in certain areas and keep as much of the economy open as possible. We have nerver fully opened back up since March and even with restrictions in place this thing is running wild and could very nearly getting totally of control. So I'm probably leaning towards full lockdown because I just don't know what the other solution is." If you remember the original national lockdown only came in to force when London numbers went up-now it is just mainly the North with high numbers they have locked down mainly the North! | |||
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"I dont think we should, cos a lockdown would be more devestating than the virus, cos peoples livelihoods are at risk. The cure is worse than the disease now. " Not for those with long covid or those Grieving or those that have lost their lives or are currently in hospital on a ventilator or seriously ill. | |||
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"I've just seen the whole of Yorkshire is going into tier3 It's a really tricky one because parts of the South and Southwest have got quite low virus levels so I'm torn between having a full lockdown so that we can try to nip this in the Bud again And just having tight restrictions in certain areas and keep as much of the economy open as possible. We have nerver fully opened back up since March and even with restrictions in place this thing is running wild and could very nearly getting totally of control. So I'm probably leaning towards full lockdown because I just don't know what the other solution is. If you remember the original national lockdown only came in to force when London numbers went up-now it is just mainly the North with high numbers they have locked down mainly the North!" The 1st time round we had never been through anything like this and actually it's quite obvious that if the most densely populated city in the country has high numbers the rest of the country is gonna follow. | |||
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"Peoples thoughts should we go in lockdown now or do you think the goverment are just delaying it " What would you hope a lockdown would achieve? How long would you want the lockdown to last? How would you restart things after lockdown. Until you have a plan that answers those questions you are just delaying things for no purpose | |||
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"All a lock down would do is delay the inevitable. " What's the inevitable? Lock downs are not there to get rid of the virus they are there to make sure too many people don't get sick at the same time. | |||
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"Peoples thoughts should we go in lockdown now or do you think the goverment are just delaying it " nope there are people working in some parts of the country that dont have many cases why should they be put out of work.N norfolk 31.2 per 100k S norfolk 46.8 per 100k east suffolk 58.1 just a few examples from round here. | |||
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"Peoples thoughts should we go in lockdown now or do you think the goverment are just delaying it What would you hope a lockdown would achieve? How long would you want the lockdown to last? How would you restart things after lockdown. Until you have a plan that answers those questions you are just delaying things for no purpose" Except to save lives. | |||
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"I dont think we should, cos a lockdown would be more devestating than the virus, cos peoples livelihoods are at risk." Yeah, loose some economy and kill off a few more people instead. You really think the economy will not suffer as much with all the extra people becoming hospitalised and break the NHS. I'll stick my neck out and say that it'll not make much difference. Hear are my main three reasons. 1 Every economy is doing the exact same, it's taking a turn down. 2. We've borrowed more money than we could ever pay back in 25. (Not my quote) 3. Interest rates are at an all time global low, so much so most banks are now looking at other ways of curbing their losses and the only option left now is to look at charging more in fees. | |||
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"NO.....to many people are facing such a crap time with job losses every where I think every thing back to normal. " But this virus is costing jobs lockdown or no lockdown. | |||
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"I think we'll see tighter restrictions coming in and possibly a Christmas lockdown... "I'm hoping for this, as I feel that Christmas will be a catalyst for a huge rise in infection rates. | |||
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"Time to enforce our Common Law rights, lockdowns aren't the answer " I doubt if we still have common law rights as originally laid out in the magna carta. These have been gradually eroded I suspect. | |||
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"Time to enforce our Common Law rights, lockdowns aren't the answer I doubt if we still have common law rights as originally laid out in the magna carta. These have been gradually eroded I suspect. " As long as the Covidiots keep giving them up so easily, you’ll never get them back. Many don’t seem to realise, when a government realises the populace give up their civil liberties so easily, they’ll just keep doing it regardless. Our soldiers have died for our freedoms, remember. | |||
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"I dont think we should, cos a lockdown would be more devestating than the virus, cos peoples livelihoods are at risk. The cure is worse than the disease now. " Having seen people live both sides... no it isn’t, it isnt even close | |||
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"I've just seen the whole of Yorkshire is going into tier3 It's a really tricky one because parts of the South and Southwest have got quite low virus levels so I'm torn between having a full lockdown so that we can try to nip this in the Bud again And just having tight restrictions in certain areas and keep as much of the economy open as possible. We have nerver fully opened back up since March and even with restrictions in place this thing is running wild and could very nearly getting totally of control. So I'm probably leaning towards full lockdown because I just don't know what the other solution is. The whole of yorkshire ? We are tier 1 here. Sorry it just came up as Breaking news on my phone and I think actually se just West Yorkshire. " West and south x | |||
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"All a lock down would do is delay the inevitable. What's the inevitable? Lock downs are not there to get rid of the virus they are there to make sure too many people don't get sick at the same time." True but as the virus would still be around once restrictions are eased again it would spread again. | |||
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"I dont think we should, cos a lockdown would be more devestating than the virus, cos peoples livelihoods are at risk. The cure is worse than the disease now. " The cure is most definitely worse than the disease & in the coming months and years we’ll see this sadly. The collateral damage and deaths will far outweigh how many will die from Covid. | |||
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"I dont think we should, cos a lockdown would be more devestating than the virus, cos peoples livelihoods are at risk. The cure is worse than the disease now. The cure is most definitely worse than the disease & in the coming months and years we’ll see this sadly. The collateral damage and deaths will far outweigh how many will die from Covid. " We have no way of knowing what will happen, all we do now is deal with the current crisis. | |||
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"I honestly think that the government will do all they can to NOT go into lockdown. They are only interested in £££££££ They countries welfare are far from their agenda. Are you kidding me! They've spent 240 thousand million pounds extra in the last 9 months and that's just the money on the books, there's literally hundreds of billions on the boe books. Willfully inept Out of there depth Stealing our taxes Under the media's thumb But concerned about money, definitely not ""Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity" E | |||
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"Peoples thoughts should we go in lockdown now or do you think the goverment are just delaying it What would you hope a lockdown would achieve? How long would you want the lockdown to last? How would you restart things after lockdown. Until you have a plan that answers those questions you are just delaying things for no purpose Except to save lives." Would it save lives, would the deaths just be delayed? What about suicides what about cancer and all the life saving treatment being postponed or cancelled? As we said there has to be a plan before a lockdown | |||
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"I dont think we should, cos a lockdown would be more devestating than the virus, cos peoples livelihoods are at risk. The cure is worse than the disease now. The cure is most definitely worse than the disease & in the coming months and years we’ll see this sadly. The collateral damage and deaths will far outweigh how many will die from Covid. We have no way of knowing what will happen, all we do now is deal with the current crisis. " | |||
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"Peoples thoughts should we go in lockdown now or do you think the goverment are just delaying it What would you hope a lockdown would achieve? How long would you want the lockdown to last? How would you restart things after lockdown. Until you have a plan that answers those questions you are just delaying things for no purpose Except to save lives. Would it save lives, would the deaths just be delayed? What about suicides what about cancer and all the life saving treatment being postponed or cancelled? As we said there has to be a plan before a lockdown" What people don't seem to realise is we live in a civilised society on going to leave people to die on the street. What do you suggest other than lockdown because if we let this virus just go more people will die and be seriously ill which means other services will be stretched no matter happens. | |||
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"Peoples thoughts should we go in lockdown now or do you think the goverment are just delaying it What would you hope a lockdown would achieve? How long would you want the lockdown to last? How would you restart things after lockdown. Until you have a plan that answers those questions you are just delaying things for no purpose Except to save lives. Would it save lives, would the deaths just be delayed? What about suicides what about cancer and all the life saving treatment being postponed or cancelled? As we said there has to be a plan before a lockdown What people don't seem to realise is we live in a civilised society on going to leave people to die on the street. What do you suggest other than lockdown because if we let this virus just go more people will die and be seriously ill which means other services will be stretched no matter happens. " But the economy is far more important.  | |||
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"What will be will be everyone has there own opinion but I believe keep them to yourself and let’s just try to enjoy what freedom and life’s we have while we have it " Like you just you mean? I don't understand that people are talking about this. | |||
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"Peoples thoughts should we go in lockdown now or do you think the goverment are just delaying it What would you hope a lockdown would achieve? How long would you want the lockdown to last? How would you restart things after lockdown. Until you have a plan that answers those questions you are just delaying things for no purpose Except to save lives. Would it save lives, would the deaths just be delayed? What about suicides what about cancer and all the life saving treatment being postponed or cancelled? As we said there has to be a plan before a lockdown" “....... What about suicides what about cancer and all the life saving treatment being postponed or cancelled?....” ———————————— As infections increase, it lead to a rise in covid hospitalisations. As covid hospitalisations increase, it will lead to the postponement and cancellations of life saving treatment for cancer and other illnesses that you talk about. That will ultimately lead to more deaths from other illness. When the hospitals start getting full - time to lockdown. | |||
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"The reality is what ever happens some will say its wrong. You only have to look across Europe to see what ever is done by the people in charge some will hate it we are becoming a hateful society right now. "  | |||
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"Time to enforce our Common Law rights, lockdowns aren't the answer I doubt if we still have common law rights as originally laid out in the magna carta. These have been gradually eroded I suspect. " Nope still there but peeps don't know or how to enforce | |||
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"Not sure if it has already been said . But why aren t we using the nightingale hospitals to thier capacity to keep the normal hospitals ticking over. There are plenty of qualified armed forces medics and paramedicly trained members in the armed forces who are currently on base waiting for ???? " Believe it or not, although they are our own armed forces someone still needs to foot the bill, so government are loathed to use them until it is necessary... Mad, I know, the same thing happened during the fireman strikes... | |||
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"Time to enforce our Common Law rights, lockdowns aren't the answer I doubt if we still have common law rights as originally laid out in the magna carta. These have been gradually eroded I suspect. Nope still there but peeps don't know or how to enforce " Enlighten us ? | |||
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"Peoples thoughts should we go in lockdown now or do you think the goverment are just delaying it What would you hope a lockdown would achieve? How long would you want the lockdown to last? How would you restart things after lockdown. Until you have a plan that answers those questions you are just delaying things for no purpose Except to save lives. Would it save lives, would the deaths just be delayed? What about suicides what about cancer and all the life saving treatment being postponed or cancelled? As we said there has to be a plan before a lockdown “....... What about suicides what about cancer and all the life saving treatment being postponed or cancelled?....” ———————————— As infections increase, it lead to a rise in covid hospitalisations. As covid hospitalisations increase, it will lead to the postponement and cancellations of life saving treatment for cancer and other illnesses that you talk about. That will ultimately lead to more deaths from other illness. When the hospitals start getting full - time to lockdown. " This
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"Not sure if it has already been said . But why aren t we using the nightingale hospitals to thier capacity to keep the normal hospitals ticking over. There are plenty of qualified armed forces medics and paramedicly trained members in the armed forces who are currently on base waiting for ???? " How many medics trained in trauma medicine can be of use on a HDU or ICU? I can give you a little insight;: the RAMC who where attached to the NW Nightingale has a capacity to man 60 beds if we had of needed their help. I believe they accounted for one fifth of the units the U.K. has available. Many people question why we can’t relax with 6 empty temporary hospitals, 20k ventilatiors in storage etc... the answer is simple, all of our personnel are engaged on the frontline, we have nobody in reserve to use a surplus of equipment. | |||
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"Bang goes the economy. " Your thinking very short we cannot rebuild economy as things are | |||
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"Time to enforce our Common Law rights, lockdowns aren't the answer I doubt if we still have common law rights as originally laid out in the magna carta. These have been gradually eroded I suspect. Nope still there but peeps don't know or how to enforce Enlighten us ?" Common Law is above Parliament which is Maritime Law, they are acts which you have to agree to. So do you understand, no I don't Stand under you so don't accept contract. Lots to research for sure. | |||
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"I think we'll see tighter restrictions coming in and possibly a Christmas lockdown... "Yep I'm with you schools are closed at Xmas anyway so are lots of work places so it could be a 3 or 4 week Xmas shut down. | |||
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"Time to enforce our Common Law rights, lockdowns aren't the answer I doubt if we still have common law rights as originally laid out in the magna carta. These have been gradually eroded I suspect. Nope still there but peeps don't know or how to enforce Enlighten us ? Common Law is above Parliament which is Maritime Law, they are acts which you have to agree to. So do you understand, no I don't Stand under you so don't accept contract. Lots to research for sure. " Ohhhh we've got a flat earther   | |||
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"We should have been in lock down this week for the 2 weeks the kids were off school. We will certainly go into one within the next month in my opinion...and it will more then likely be over xmas now and last a lot longer than the 2 weeks when it comes." I agree with this | |||
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"Time to enforce our Common Law rights, lockdowns aren't the answer I doubt if we still have common law rights as originally laid out in the magna carta. These have been gradually eroded I suspect. Nope still there but peeps don't know or how to enforce Enlighten us ? Common Law is above Parliament which is Maritime Law, they are acts which you have to agree to. So do you understand, no I don't Stand under you so don't accept contract. Lots to research for sure. " So if you break the law of the land, as laid down in statute passed by parliament you only have to say you don't agree with the above? And what.. | |||
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"Time to enforce our Common Law rights, lockdowns aren't the answer I doubt if we still have common law rights as originally laid out in the magna carta. These have been gradually eroded I suspect. Nope still there but peeps don't know or how to enforce Enlighten us ? Common Law is above Parliament which is Maritime Law, they are acts which you have to agree to. So do you understand, no I don't Stand under you so don't accept contract. Lots to research for sure. " I think you might be confused as that doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Maritime law relates to those at sea, there's nothing there that can help you with Covid restrictions Common law is something else entirely, and given Covid hasn't been around very long it's unlikely there have been any legal precedents set to override civil law. | |||
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"I dont think we should, cos a lockdown would be more devestating than the virus, cos peoples livelihoods are at risk. That’s true and and we should avoid a lockdown to prevent the economic damage it would cause.
France locked down because this week they had 50,000+ cases on 25th & on the 27th 500+ deaths.
If it gets that bad over here ( let’s hope it doesn’t), then we may end up with tighter restrictions or a possible lockdown. "I think sadly we already know infections are doubling every 9 days currently. Inevitably that puts us at 400 deaths a day in 2-3 weeks time. We can also see no reversal of infection rates even in the tier III regions so in all likelihood we’ll be close to 800 deaths by the close of November. It’s a sad fact but the damage is likely already done, if as many fear London is heading to a similar situation that the Northern cities are seeing then we can expect much worst. | |||
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"I don't think it will hit London the same the center is empty people working from home. And probably a less densely populated area then some of the North plus most of the North is manufacturing hard to do from home so personally I think this might be why it has hit hard I different areas. " I agree with you all parts of London are much quieter at the moment. We were on the central line headed towards Stratford at 6pm about 2 weeks ago and there was on 12 people in our carnage.  | |||
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"I don't think it will hit London the same the center is empty people working from home. And probably a less densely populated area then some of the North plus most of the North is manufacturing hard to do from home so personally I think this might be why it has hit hard I different areas. " I think sadly the pattern is the same that we’ve seen in the northern cities, a lot of younger infections which aren’t stressing the system but significant numbers that you’ll see a big knock on to older age groups in the coming weeks. I suspect the end of November will see London becoming our peak city. Your mayor has been highlighting his concern for weeks, I think he’s right tbh | |||
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"FFS no. We've done enough of this stupidity already. I personally follow these stupid rules and I have had enough, utterly and completely futile waste of my time and effort but I have no choice as do not want to get fined. Am I a covidiot ? I don't think so but I feel so depressed and fed up. I almost feel like I wish I could get it and die. I have totally had enough. Rant over. Let's just get it over and done with FFS." Are you a covidiot ? Absolutely not, everyone should be entitled to express their opposition to the rules provided they obey them. | |||
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" I agree with you all parts of London are much quieter at the moment. We were on the central line headed towards Stratford at 6pm about 2 weeks ago and there was on 12 people in our carnage. "Likewise, Manchester’s centre, transport etc have been a fraction of its normal reality but it hasn’t stopped our infections from soaring sadly. | |||
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"I don't think it will hit London the same the center is empty people working from home. And probably a less densely populated area then some of the North plus most of the North is manufacturing hard to do from home so personally I think this might be why it has hit hard I different areas. I think sadly the pattern is the same that we’ve seen in the northern cities, a lot of younger infections which aren’t stressing the system but significant numbers that you’ll see a big knock on to older age groups in the coming weeks. I suspect the end of November will see London becoming our peak city. Your mayor has been highlighting his concern for weeks, I think he’s right tbh" When you say younger infections do you mean its being treated earlier Or the patients are younger. | |||
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"I don't think it will hit London the same the center is empty people working from home. And probably a less densely populated area then some of the North plus most of the North is manufacturing hard to do from home so personally I think this might be why it has hit hard I different areas. I think sadly the pattern is the same that we’ve seen in the northern cities, a lot of younger infections which aren’t stressing the system but significant numbers that you’ll see a big knock on to older age groups in the coming weeks. I suspect the end of November will see London becoming our peak city. Your mayor has been highlighting his concern for weeks, I think he’s right tbh When you say younger infections do you mean its being treated earlier Or the patients are younger. " The pattern we saw in Manchester was a massive hike up in positive testing, many of them from the 20’s. I work in one of the cities ICU’s and despite the rise we didn’t see any real rise in admissions or critical patients. Two weeks on we did see the higher infection rates start to affect older age groups, we now sit about two weeks on from that and we are seeing a lot of patients, our deaths are increasing at quite a rapid rate and in truth our tier II and tier III limits seem to be providing very little impact in halting the rise. We learned the process of infections and their impacts through the summer. The reality is we can see 3-4 weeks ahead from the reported figures and know what we will be facing.we know our future patients have tested positive and are home in bed, in a week or so they’ll rapidly deteriorate and arrive at our doors. I’m rough figures we can tell how many, we know the approximate numbers that won’t survive too. We are fairly certain in two weeks Manchester’s tallies will be double what they are now, I’m also pretty certain from the numbers coming out of London we will be talking about the capitals rising crisis as the patients will be starting to arrive in big numbers by then. | |||
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"The health of thousands as well as the economy, is going to be severely damaged if we continue with the current plan which is letting the virus run rampage through us. Just over a month ago the experts advised a short limited lockdown to freeze numbers from continuing to spiral even more out of control. We didn't and failed instead. A fixed short lockdown to prove to deniers and naysayers is the only defined option and it must be very soon, to provide the greatest reduction in the rapid escalation. We're in denial if we think that that first lockdown was to be the only ever form of it we had to face. Nobody shows a valid workable alternative. We're a very wealthy nation but that is worth nothing if we throw our people away, because some prefer wealth. That must be shamed as selfish stupidity. " So wealthy that U.K. is over 2 Trillion in debt and rising quickly | |||
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"Actually going down here" Which is good, let’s hope it continues | |||
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"Actually going down here Which is good, let’s hope it continues " Hope so Still think it will be a national one at some point though. | |||
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"The health of thousands as well as the economy, is going to be severely damaged if we continue with the current plan which is letting the virus run rampage through us. Just over a month ago the experts advised a short limited lockdown to freeze numbers from continuing to spiral even more out of control. We didn't and failed instead. A fixed short lockdown to prove to deniers and naysayers is the only defined option and it must be very soon, to provide the greatest reduction in the rapid escalation. We're in denial if we think that that first lockdown was to be the only ever form of it we had to face. Nobody shows a valid workable alternative. We're a very wealthy nation but that is worth nothing if we throw our people away, because some prefer wealth. That must be shamed as selfish stupidity. So wealthy that U.K. is over 2 Trillion in debt and rising quickly " Yet we can afford trident and hs2. | |||
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"The health of thousands as well as the economy, is going to be severely damaged if we continue with the current plan which is letting the virus run rampage through us. Just over a month ago the experts advised a short limited lockdown to freeze numbers from continuing to spiral even more out of control. We didn't and failed instead. A fixed short lockdown to prove to deniers and naysayers is the only defined option and it must be very soon, to provide the greatest reduction in the rapid escalation. We're in denial if we think that that first lockdown was to be the only ever form of it we had to face. Nobody shows a valid workable alternative. We're a very wealthy nation but that is worth nothing if we throw our people away, because some prefer wealth. That must be shamed as selfish stupidity. So wealthy that U.K. is over 2 Trillion in debt and rising quickly Yet we can afford trident and hs2." Can’t afford it without borrowing a Trillion is a million million and U.K. has over 2 of those | |||
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"I dont think we should, cos a lockdown would be more devestating than the virus, cos peoples livelihoods are at risk. That’s true and and we should avoid a lockdown to prevent the economic damage it would cause.
France locked down because this week they had 50,000+ cases on 25th & on the 27th 500+ deaths.
If it gets that bad over here ( let’s hope it doesn’t), then we may end up with tighter restrictions or a possible lockdown.
I think sadly we already know infections are doubling every 9 days currently.
Inevitably that puts us at 400 deaths a day in 2-3 weeks time. We can also see no reversal of infection rates even in the tier III regions so in all likelihood we’ll be close to 800 deaths by the close of November.
It’s a sad fact but the damage is likely already done, if as many fear London is heading to a similar situation that the Northern cities are seeing then we can expect much worst.
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"The health of thousands as well as the economy, is going to be severely damaged if we continue with the current plan which is letting the virus run rampage through us. Just over a month ago the experts advised a short limited lockdown to freeze numbers from continuing to spiral even more out of control. We didn't and failed instead. A fixed short lockdown to prove to deniers and naysayers is the only defined option and it must be very soon, to provide the greatest reduction in the rapid escalation. We're in denial if we think that that first lockdown was to be the only ever form of it we had to face. Nobody shows a valid workable alternative. We're a very wealthy nation but that is worth nothing if we throw our people away, because some prefer wealth. That must be shamed as selfish stupidity. So wealthy that U.K. is over 2 Trillion in debt and rising quickly Yet we can afford trident and hs2. Can’t afford it without borrowing a Trillion is a million million and U.K. has over 2 of those " Maybe best not borrowing it then | |||
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"Actually going down here" If you go on total infections yes, but it’s rising in older age groups, dropping in the widespread student communities, admissions are rising so are deaths. The royal in liverpool has also closed 50% of its surgical capacity too which is a sign of the picture the city faces. | |||
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"So wealthy that U.K. is over 2 Trillion in debt and rising quickly " I love your posts, do you ever offer anything apart from a negative statement on affordability or a single statistic? Never once heard your suggested route on how to manage this crisis... perhaps you’d like to offer one? | |||
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"So wealthy that U.K. is over 2 Trillion in debt and rising quickly I love your posts, do you ever offer anything apart from a negative statement on affordability or a single statistic? Never once heard your suggested route on how to manage this crisis... perhaps you’d like to offer one? " The truth hurts never hear you dispute what we say because you can’t | |||
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"I dont think we should, cos a lockdown would be more devestating than the virus, cos peoples livelihoods are at risk. That’s true and and we should avoid a lockdown to prevent the economic damage it would cause.
France locked down because this week they had 50,000+ cases on 25th & on the 27th 500+ deaths.
If it gets that bad over here ( let’s hope it doesn’t), then we may end up with tighter restrictions or a possible lockdown.
Exactly... Unfortunately, I think we will end up in lockdown by Christmas... "Yes, lets hope that there wont be a lockdown and that the economy could be saved during all of this | |||
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"NO.....to many people are facing such a crap time with job losses every where I think every thing back to normal. But this virus is costing jobs lockdown or no lockdown. " Why if everything went back to normal so everyone could work why would you loose your job?. | |||
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"So wealthy that U.K. is over 2 Trillion in debt and rising quickly I love your posts, do you ever offer anything apart from a negative statement on affordability or a single statistic? Never once heard your suggested route on how to manage this crisis... perhaps you’d like to offer one? The truth hurts never hear you dispute what we say because you can’t " There's dust on the pavement outside my front door but I don't get the Dyson out for it. | |||
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"We should have been in lock down this week for the 2 weeks the kids were off school. We will certainly go into one within the next month in my opinion...and it will more then likely be over xmas now and last a lot longer than the 2 weeks when it comes." This is what the Welsh Assembly Government decided to do in Wales, to coincide with half term. We are currently 8 days into a 17 day lockdown. Hopefully this will do enough to enable us to avoid having a lockdown over Christmas | |||
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"So wealthy that U.K. is over 2 Trillion in debt and rising quickly I love your posts, do you ever offer anything apart from a negative statement on affordability or a single statistic? Never once heard your suggested route on how to manage this crisis... perhaps you’d like to offer one? The truth hurts never hear you dispute what we say because you can’t " Ermmm, I have multiple times, I certainly can as I’ve sat all but 2 weeks of this pandemic in the red zone looking after the most critical of covid patients. All your posts have suggested lockdown is a waste of time, deaths are so low etc... my point is simple, with the current measures in place we are operating beyond capacity in mine and a large number of trusts in the U.K., the remainder are quickly catching up.... So, again... what is your solution that frees us from lockdown and doesn’t swamp our hospitals? | |||
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"NO.....to many people are facing such a crap time with job losses every where I think every thing back to normal. But this virus is costing jobs lockdown or no lockdown. Why if everything went back to normal so everyone could work why would you loose your job?. " Regardless of whether we lock down or not this virus is here to stay for a while and will cost jobs because we cannot just pretend that nothing is happening. | |||
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"dusk to dawn curfews. military on the streets. anyone outside without good cause to be detained and beaten up in the barracks. anyone who runs for it gets shot. Pity it's not safe enough for a military gang bang "Lol | |||
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"NO.....to many people are facing such a crap time with job losses every where I think every thing back to normal. But this virus is costing jobs lockdown or no lockdown. Why if everything went back to normal so everyone could work why would you loose your job?. Regardless of whether we lock down or not this virus is here to stay for a while and will cost jobs because we cannot just pretend that nothing is happening. " But why can't we pretend nothing is happening and go back to normal? For the vast majority of the population they would catch the virus and survive and go back to work and back to normal or we can keep going through this performance we are currently going through with no real plan or end game unless some miracle happens while destroying people's lives and the economy | |||
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"NO.....to many people are facing such a crap time with job losses every where I think every thing back to normal. But this virus is costing jobs lockdown or no lockdown. Why if everything went back to normal so everyone could work why would you loose your job?. Regardless of whether we lock down or not this virus is here to stay for a while and will cost jobs because we cannot just pretend that nothing is happening. But why can't we pretend nothing is happening and go back to normal? For the vast majority of the population they would catch the virus and survive and go back to work and back to normal or we can keep going through this performance we are currently going through with no real plan or end game unless some miracle happens while destroying people's lives and the economy " Because survival doesn't equate to perfectly recovered. Long Covid is becoming increasingly common and worrying and there is growing evidence of permanent organ damage. This damage is not confined to the elderly or vulnerable and can happen regardless of the severity of this initial infection. | |||
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"NO.....to many people are facing such a crap time with job losses every where I think every thing back to normal. But this virus is costing jobs lockdown or no lockdown. Why if everything went back to normal so everyone could work why would you loose your job?. Regardless of whether we lock down or not this virus is here to stay for a while and will cost jobs because we cannot just pretend that nothing is happening. But why can't we pretend nothing is happening and go back to normal? For the vast majority of the population they would catch the virus and survive and go back to work and back to normal or we can keep going through this performance we are currently going through with no real plan or end game unless some miracle happens while destroying people's lives and the economy Because survival doesn't equate to perfectly recovered. Long Covid is becoming increasingly common and worrying and there is growing evidence of permanent organ damage. This damage is not confined to the elderly or vulnerable and can happen regardless of the severity of this initial infection. " so we carry on like this untill the goverments across the world go bankrupt and we have to go back to some form of normality anyway just to get the countries finances back up and running even tho there is no cure for the virus which I don't believe there will be and I really hope I'm wrong. | |||
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"NO.....to many people are facing such a crap time with job losses every where I think every thing back to normal. But this virus is costing jobs lockdown or no lockdown. Why if everything went back to normal so everyone could work why would you loose your job?. Regardless of whether we lock down or not this virus is here to stay for a while and will cost jobs because we cannot just pretend that nothing is happening. But why can't we pretend nothing is happening and go back to normal? For the vast majority of the population they would catch the virus and survive and go back to work and back to normal or we can keep going through this performance we are currently going through with no real plan or end game unless some miracle happens while destroying people's lives and the economy Because survival doesn't equate to perfectly recovered. Long Covid is becoming increasingly common and worrying and there is growing evidence of permanent organ damage. This damage is not confined to the elderly or vulnerable and can happen regardless of the severity of this initial infection. so we carry on like this untill the goverments across the world go bankrupt and we have to go back to some form of normality anyway just to get the countries finances back up and running even tho there is no cure for the virus which I don't believe there will be and I really hope I'm wrong. " If people would actually follow the guidance properly then we would be able to significantly reduce the damage to the economy, however there will be things people cannot do. There are some promising things coming through on the vaccine front and our understanding of the disease is growing daily. I fortunately these things take time and however much we are in a rush to be over and done with this, they will still take that time. We will end up either adapting or being able to return to a much more normal life, but that is not now. | |||
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"NO.....to many people are facing such a crap time with job losses every where I think every thing back to normal. But this virus is costing jobs lockdown or no lockdown. Why if everything went back to normal so everyone could work why would you loose your job?. Regardless of whether we lock down or not this virus is here to stay for a while and will cost jobs because we cannot just pretend that nothing is happening. But why can't we pretend nothing is happening and go back to normal? For the vast majority of the population they would catch the virus and survive and go back to work and back to normal or we can keep going through this performance we are currently going through with no real plan or end game unless some miracle happens while destroying people's lives and the economy Because survival doesn't equate to perfectly recovered. Long Covid is becoming increasingly common and worrying and there is growing evidence of permanent organ damage. This damage is not confined to the elderly or vulnerable and can happen regardless of the severity of this initial infection. so we carry on like this untill the goverments across the world go bankrupt and we have to go back to some form of normality anyway just to get the countries finances back up and running even tho there is no cure for the virus which I don't believe there will be and I really hope I'm wrong. If people would actually follow the guidance properly then we would be able to significantly reduce the damage to the economy, however there will be things people cannot do. There are some promising things coming through on the vaccine front and our understanding of the disease is growing daily. I fortunately these things take time and however much we are in a rush to be over and done with this, they will still take that time. We will end up either adapting or being able to return to a much more normal life, but that is not now." I completely agree and I think the problem is most people see it as full lockdown or pretend nothing is happening and carry on as normal. It's not that simple and if we just let this virus run so many people would be off work and sick then the economy would collapse along with the NHS. If people just stuck to the guidelines and accepted life is different for the time being then we really could get a grip of this and save parts of the economy | |||
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"NO.....to many people are facing such a crap time with job losses every where I think every thing back to normal. But this virus is costing jobs lockdown or no lockdown. Why if everything went back to normal so everyone could work why would you loose your job?. Regardless of whether we lock down or not this virus is here to stay for a while and will cost jobs because we cannot just pretend that nothing is happening. But why can't we pretend nothing is happening and go back to normal? For the vast majority of the population they would catch the virus and survive and go back to work and back to normal or we can keep going through this performance we are currently going through with no real plan or end game unless some miracle happens while destroying people's lives and the economy Because survival doesn't equate to perfectly recovered. Long Covid is becoming increasingly common and worrying and there is growing evidence of permanent organ damage. This damage is not confined to the elderly or vulnerable and can happen regardless of the severity of this initial infection. so we carry on like this untill the goverments across the world go bankrupt and we have to go back to some form of normality anyway just to get the countries finances back up and running even tho there is no cure for the virus which I don't believe there will be and I really hope I'm wrong. If people would actually follow the guidance properly then we would be able to significantly reduce the damage to the economy, however there will be things people cannot do. There are some promising things coming through on the vaccine front and our understanding of the disease is growing daily. I fortunately these things take time and however much we are in a rush to be over and done with this, they will still take that time. We will end up either adapting or being able to return to a much more normal life, but that is not now. I completely agree and I think the problem is most people see it as full lockdown or pretend nothing is happening and carry on as normal. It's not that simple and if we just let this virus run so many people would be off work and sick then the economy would collapse along with the NHS. If people just stuck to the guidelines and accepted life is different for the time being then we really could get a grip of this and save parts of the economy" "....It's not that simple and if we just let this virus run so many people would be off work and sick then the economy would collapse along with the NHS..." -------------------------- That's true
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"So we go into lockdown, come out at the beginning of December, 3 weeks before Xmas everyone rushes out to do Xmas shopping and Xmas parties, ( even if they are not allowed you know they will take place ) cases rise and into lockdown number 3 just in time for Xmas and new year, this will happen over and over and over , lockdowns do nothing but keeps us waiting for higher numbers. Why do we have higher cases??? Because we now have tests. " Th next one will probably be January due to the people that have no self restraint inviting 20 neighbours round for a piss up at Christmas. | |||
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"So we go into lockdown, come out at the beginning of December, 3 weeks before Xmas everyone rushes out to do Xmas shopping and Xmas parties, ( even if they are not allowed you know they will take place ) cases rise and into lockdown number 3 just in time for Xmas and new year, this will happen over and over and over , lockdowns do nothing but keeps us waiting for higher numbers. Why do we have higher cases??? Because we now have tests. " And how does more testing increase hospital admissions ? Do they drag them in just to fill beds ? | |||
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"I dont think we should, cos a lockdown would be more devestating than the virus, cos peoples livelihoods are at risk. The cure is worse than the disease now. The cure is most definitely worse than the disease & in the coming months and years we’ll see this sadly. The collateral damage and deaths will far outweigh how many will die from Covid. " Exactly. | |||
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"So we go into lockdown, come out at the beginning of December, 3 weeks before Xmas everyone rushes out to do Xmas shopping and Xmas parties, ( even if they are not allowed you know they will take place ) cases rise and into lockdown number 3 just in time for Xmas and new year, this will happen over and over and over , lockdowns do nothing but keeps us waiting for higher numbers. Why do we have higher cases??? Because we now have tests. " You realise that your concept that more testing causing the problem is discredited? Have you advocated for fewer breast checks etc, as a way to reduce problems from cancer? | |||
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"I dont think we should, cos a lockdown would be more devestating than the virus, cos peoples livelihoods are at risk. The cure is worse than the disease now. The cure is most definitely worse than the disease & in the coming months and years we’ll see this sadly. The collateral damage and deaths will far outweigh how many will die from Covid. Exactly. " So what is the solution, just let infection rates double every week? | |||
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"I dont think we should, cos a lockdown would be more devestating than the virus, cos peoples livelihoods are at risk. The cure is worse than the disease now. The cure is most definitely worse than the disease & in the coming months and years we’ll see this sadly. The collateral damage and deaths will far outweigh how many will die from Covid. Exactly. So what is the solution, just let infection rates double every week? " Ppl have to face reality.. its a virus.. viruses and bacteria all on the microscopic level will infect ppl no matter how hard you try to prevent it. And how 'hard' do wee have to try to prevent it? What will that require? Nobody leaves their homes at all? Marshal law? The reality is ppl will get infected.. ppl WILL die.. thats how its always been when a highly contagious virus which can kill arises on an international scale. If ppl want to put themselves at risk of infection, thats their choice. Better to let the virus take its course and do what we can to prevent further infections in a sensible way than to damn our entire nation financially, destroy businesses ppl have spent their lives building up, not to mention the severe impact on ppls mental health. As a number of ppl on this thread have mentioned.. the cure is becoming far more destructive that the virus.. and even the cure is failing to prevent infections and theres no evidence that it has prevented infections in a way that outweighs the damage thats being caused and the repercussions we will be feeling in years to come | |||
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"Interesting article in the paper indicating that the scientists used data that was out of data by 4 weeks to produce their modelling data (written by Carl Henghan, Director of the Centre for Evidence Based Medicine) and another one indicating that they cherry picked parts of the graphs to force a lockdown. ------ https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8907339/How-No10s-experts-shamelessly-manipulated-data-terrify-England-locking-down.html" That does make interesting reading. | |||
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