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"Today Cases 26,000 Deaths 191 At the height in April it was Cases 7,500 Deaths 1200 " And?  | |||
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"Today Cases 26,000 Deaths 191 At the height in April it was Cases 7,500 Deaths 1200 And? "Ditto..? | |||
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"Today Cases 26,000 Deaths 191 At the height in April it was Cases 7,500 Deaths 1200 " You can't compare the cases in April with the cases today. We are doing far more testing today than we were doing back in April. It is possible that the cases in April were higher than today's cases. | |||
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"Today Cases 26,000 Deaths 191 At the height in April it was Cases 7,500 Deaths 1200 You can't compare the cases in April with the cases today. We are doing far more testing today than we were doing back in April. It is possible that the cases in April were higher than today's cases." Exactly this - we have no true base line with which to compare as people weren't being tested. | |||
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"Today Cases 26,000 Deaths 191 At the height in April it was Cases 7,500 Deaths 1200 You can't compare the cases in April with the cases today. We are doing far more testing today than we were doing back in April. It is possible that the cases in April were higher than today's cases." No shit Sherlock, it's estimated that as many as 400,000 a day were catching it in the UK at it's peak in March. | |||
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"Today Cases 26,000 Deaths 191 At the height in April it was Cases 7,500 Deaths 1200 You can't compare the cases in April with the cases today. We are doing far more testing today than we were doing back in April. It is possible that the cases in April were higher than today's cases. No shit Sherlock, it's estimated that as many as 400,000 a day were catching it in the UK at it's peak in March." The other thing to consider, is that we have more understanding of the virus and are better able to treat it than 6 months ago. | |||
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"Today Cases 26,000 Deaths 191 At the height in April it was Cases 7,500 Deaths 1200 You can't compare the cases in April with the cases today. We are doing far more testing today than we were doing back in April. It is possible that the cases in April were higher than today's cases. No shit Sherlock, it's estimated that as many as 400,000 a day were catching it in the UK at it's peak in March. The other thing to consider, is that we have more understanding of the virus and are better able to treat it than 6 months ago." Absolutely correct, our understanding and ability to treat the symptoms is evolving at a rate I've never seen before with any other disease outside of a radical discovery like antibiotics. Unfortunately there is still a long way to go before this is truly preventable/curable disease. | |||
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"OP, what is your point?" I'm guessing he is saying we overreacted in March because we had misleading figures about the seriousness of the disease. | |||
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"Unfortunately the numbers should be a major cause for concern as the direction is upwards and the rate of increase is escalating rapidly. There's a 2 to 3 weeks lag before new infections become increased hospital admissions and subsequent tragic deaths. SAGE had pushed for a short circuit break lockdown several weeks ago. That would have stalled the exponential growth, helping to spare health services overload and minimising the lockdown period, compared to doing what we have done. It would have kept the effect on the economy lighter too. " yep, closing all non essential is really going to help the economy. Even the WHO said don't lock down. | |||
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"Unfortunately the numbers should be a major cause for concern as the direction is upwards and the rate of increase is escalating rapidly. There's a 2 to 3 weeks lag before new infections become increased hospital admissions and subsequent tragic deaths. SAGE had pushed for a short circuit break lockdown several weeks ago. That would have stalled the exponential growth, helping to spare health services overload and minimising the lockdown period, compared to doing what we have done. It would have kept the effect on the economy lighter too. yep, closing all non essential is really going to help the economy. Even the WHO said don't lock down." As per usual, you are carefully omitting the rest of what they said to change the meaning. They said it shouldn't be the only tactic used but that is was still a valid tool in certain circumstances. | |||
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"Today Cases 26,000 Deaths 191 At the height in April it was Cases 7,500 Deaths 1200 You can't compare the cases in April with the cases today. We are doing far more testing today than we were doing back in April. It is possible that the cases in April were higher than today's cases. No shit Sherlock, it's estimated that as many as 400,000 a day were catching it in the UK at it's peak in March."  | |||
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"No particular point Just stating today’s figures and a comparison of six months ago " I think it's a good point. 6 months ago people weren't wearing masks, social distancing etc. Now most infections are from a lower viral load. Figures the support the continued use of social distancing and using masks | |||
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"No particular point Just stating today’s figures and a comparison of six months ago " The comparison is done every day on here. There usually is a point that the poster is trying to make. | |||
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"Well I watched a video on utube yesterday about testing...... apparently it's a load of ***p.....this chap sent off a sample didn't do a thing to it just sent it back with nothing on it.....he got his results back as positive!!!! How's that possible when he didn't even put anything on it......shows you it's all a farse......" Presumably he returned the swab without ever removing it from the tube and swabbing his nose or throat. | |||
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"Well I watched a video on utube yesterday about testing...... apparently it's a load of ***p.....this chap sent off a sample didn't do a thing to it just sent it back with nothing on it.....he got his results back as positive!!!! How's that possible when he didn't even put anything on it......shows you it's all a farse......" The lesson here is don't believe everything you see on YouTube. | |||
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"No particular point Just stating today’s figures and a comparison of six months ago I think it's a good point. 6 months ago people weren't wearing masks, social distancing etc. Now most infections are from a lower viral load. Figures the support the continued use of social distancing and using masks "I am a believer in social distancing and masks but the figures don't support anything other than: -Lots of people with covid weren't being tested in March because the mortality rate was so much higher. -Treatment has improved so far less deaths. I am sceptical about this swinging thing so much as hospital admissions are still lower than march. Lower viral load MAY mean less hospital admissions BUT I am quite sure that most transmissions are happening in environments where masks and social distancing are not required. E.g house parties, university etc rather than Tesco... Of course, there is also the other point that the age of the cases is far lower at the moment than back in March. Care homes are better protected and the elderly (and their relatives) are trying their best to avoid catching the virus. In Scotland, In March, 45% of covid cases were in the 65+ age group. Today, about 12% are in that age group. Of the 2600 deaths in Scotland 90% have been in the 65+ so hardly surprising that deaths are so much lower now compared to cases. I doubt england differs that much. | |||
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"Well I watched a video on utube yesterday about testing...... apparently it's a load of ***p.....this chap sent off a sample didn't do a thing to it just sent it back with nothing on it.....he got his results back as positive!!!! How's that possible when he didn't even put anything on it......shows you it's all a farse......" Here is a question, why would someone do that? 95% of tests are negative but the guy who didn't provide a sample came back positive. If he did nothing then the results would have been inconclusive and another test would have been requested. A friend of mine had to have a retest done on their kid for the same reason. Now, if I was a covidiot covid denier then I might just make a youtube video like this. It's a good way to get thousands of viewers and make a bit of cash. But, as I am not, I really wouldn't be wasting my time... Although the cash would come in handy...  | |||
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"Well I watched a video on utube yesterday about testing...... apparently it's a load of ***p.....this chap sent off a sample didn't do a thing to it just sent it back with nothing on it.....he got his results back as positive!!!! How's that possible when he didn't even put anything on it......shows you it's all a farse......" Shows people can be gullible, nothing else unfortunately | |||
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"Today Cases 26,000 Deaths 191 At the height in April it was Cases 7,500 Deaths 1200 " I’m sure that’s of great comfort to the loved ones of the 191 people who died of Covid19 yesterday. | |||
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"Today Cases 26,000 Deaths 191 At the height in April it was Cases 7,500 Deaths 1200 I’m sure that’s of great comfort to the loved ones of the 191 people who died of Covid19 yesterday." . Best stay behind the sofa then | |||
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"Today's figures on Worldometer Cases 21,000 Deaths 189" Yep, just take a minute to reflect on those that lost their lives and let the reality that we need to be careful sink in | |||
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"213 people die from smoking related causes every day that's 78,000 a year, I wonder how many of those are from passive smoking " Hard to be certain; estimated to be ~4000-8000 | |||
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"Today Cases 26,000 Deaths 191 At the height in April it was Cases 7,500 Deaths 1200 I’m sure that’s of great comfort to the loved ones of the 191 people who died of Covid19 yesterday. . Best stay behind the sofa then" It’s funny that you’ll say that on the internet but you’d not dare to say it to the faces of said loved ones. So brave. | |||
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"Today Cases 26,000 Deaths 191 At the height in April it was Cases 7,500 Deaths 1200 I’m sure that’s of great comfort to the loved ones of the 191 people who died of Covid19 yesterday. . Best stay behind the sofa then It’s funny that you’ll say that on the internet but you’d not dare to say it to the faces of said loved ones. So brave." ' So judgmental and censorious of you. | |||
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"An average of 450 people die of cancer every day in the U.K. " Yup,and its not either/or. Many patients dying from Covid also have cancer/heart disease/lung disease etc. The Covid may or may not be contributory to their death. Rmemeber everyone in hospital is being tested regularly for Covid, whatever they are in for, and by definition if they die within 28 days of a positive test, they are counted as a Covid death. | |||
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"Today Cases 26,000 Deaths 191 At the height in April it was Cases 7,500 Deaths 1200 I’m sure that’s of great comfort to the loved ones of the 191 people who died of Covid19 yesterday. . Best stay behind the sofa then It’s funny that you’ll say that on the internet but you’d not dare to say it to the faces of said loved ones. So brave. ' So judgmental and censorious of you." Truth hurts x | |||
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"An average of 450 people die of cancer every day in the U.K. " What’s your point? | |||
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"An average of 450 people die of cancer every day in the U.K. " You have a point? | |||
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"An average of 450 people die of cancer every day in the U.K. You have a point?" Yes 450 people die of cancer every single day on average | |||
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"Today Cases 26,000 Deaths 191 At the height in April it was Cases 7,500 Deaths 1200 You can't compare the cases in April with the cases today. We are doing far more testing today than we were doing back in April. It is possible that the cases in April were higher than today's cases. No shit Sherlock, it's estimated that as many as 400,000 a day were catching it in the UK at it's peak in March." Nearly 3 million a week? You must have some really good evidence to support that claim ? | |||
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"An average of 450 people die of cancer every day in the U.K. You have a point? Yes 450 people die of cancer every single day on average " Is cancer a highly contagious virus? | |||
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"An average of 450 people die of cancer every day in the U.K. You have a point? Yes 450 people die of cancer every single day on average " Well let's thank fuck it's not airborne then eh | |||
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"An average of 450 people die of cancer every day in the U.K. You have a point? Yes 450 people die of cancer every single day on average Is cancer a highly contagious virus? " what do you think ? | |||
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"213 people die from smoking related causes every day that's 78,000 a year, I wonder how many of those are from passive smoking " I heard a rumour it was only 2 people, then again I get my information from the same source as most of the deniers on here | |||
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"An average of 450 people die of cancer every day in the U.K. You have a point? Yes 450 people die of cancer every single day on average Is cancer a highly contagious virus? what do you think ? " I think you are comparing apples with camels  | |||
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"An average of 450 people die of cancer every day in the U.K. Yup,and its not either/or. Many patients dying from Covid also have cancer/heart disease/lung disease etc. The Covid may or may not be contributory to their death. Rmemeber everyone in hospital is being tested regularly for Covid, whatever they are in for, and by definition if they die within 28 days of a positive test, they are counted as a Covid death." NO everyday is tested for the virus sars-cov2, covid is a condition completely separate to sars-cov2 just like hiv and AIDS, not everybody with HIV has aids and not everyone with sars-cov2 has covid. We need proper diagnosis from a health professional of covid at death and even then there's mitigating factors. This is how you don't do statistics. | |||
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"Today Cases 26,000 Deaths 191 At the height in April it was Cases 7,500 Deaths 1200 I’m sure that’s of great comfort to the loved ones of the 191 people who died of Covid19 yesterday. . Best stay behind the sofa then It’s funny that you’ll say that on the internet but you’d not dare to say it to the faces of said loved ones. So brave. ' So judgmental and censorious of you." It's ok he called me a bin man once Haha Your right about judgemental oh and self righteous. | |||
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"No particular point Just stating today’s figures and a comparison of six months ago I think it's a good point. 6 months ago people weren't wearing masks, social distancing etc. Now most infections are from a lower viral load. Figures the support the continued use of social distancing and using masks "Viral load isn’t the method or quantity of delivery to the body.? | |||
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"Well I watched a video on utube yesterday about testing...... apparently it's a load of ***p.....this chap sent off a sample didn't do a thing to it just sent it back with nothing on it.....he got his results back as positive!!!! How's that possible when he didn't even put anything on it......shows you it's all a farse......" I watched a video on YouTube yesterday, who made this video? Anyone credible? Or was it Dave who drinks down the Dog and Duck?  | |||
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"Well I watched a video on utube yesterday about testing...... apparently it's a load of ***p.....this chap sent off a sample didn't do a thing to it just sent it back with nothing on it.....he got his results back as positive!!!! How's that possible when he didn't even put anything on it......shows you it's all a farse......" Yeah, it sounds like a right farse | |||
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"Today Cases 26,000 Deaths 191 At the height in April it was Cases 7,500 Deaths 1200 You can't compare the cases in April with the cases today. We are doing far more testing today than we were doing back in April. It is possible that the cases in April were higher than today's cases. No shit Sherlock, it's estimated that as many as 400,000 a day were catching it in the UK at it's peak in March." 400k a day in UK in March? That would be 12.5 million for the month of March. Repeat that for April and that's 25 million. Assuming there would have to have been considerable build up through January and February to get to 400k by March, plus everything from May to now, then on your theory we must be talking 35 million + by now. That can't be right? We'd have achieved herd immunity by now and the virus would be rapidly dying out. I suspect maybe 40k to 60k positive a day in March. Fewer people are dying now as treatment much better and the most vulnerable have very sadly passed already, plus more testing, younger people catching the virus more, older people have become adept at shielding and we are all mostly mask - wearing and sanitising and socially distancing. | |||
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"213 people die from smoking related causes every day that's 78,000 a year, I wonder how many of those are from passive smoking Hard to be certain; estimated to be ~4000-8000" My figures are from the nhs | |||
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"213 people die from smoking related causes every day that's 78,000 a year, I wonder how many of those are from passive smoking " Some of those could be from passive smoking. Smoking does not affect just the smoker, it can also affect those in close contact with the smoker.....similar to the way someone with covid can transmit the virus to someone in close contact with them. Some years ago, you could smoke anywhere at anytime time. But to reduce the number of deaths occurring from passive smoking, the government has now imposed restrictions on smokers to prevent them from smoking in indoor settings like public transport, restaurants, pubs, cinemas, public offices etc. Just as restrictions are in place to reduce the deaths occurring from passive smoking; restrictions also need to be in place to reduce the deaths occurring from covid transmission. | |||
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"Wasnt that R rate thingy above 3 in those days now its half that supposedly who really knows anymore " | |||
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"Unfortunately the numbers should be a major cause for concern as the direction is upwards and the rate of increase is escalating rapidly. There's a 2 to 3 weeks lag before new infections become increased hospital admissions and subsequent tragic deaths. SAGE had pushed for a short circuit break lockdown several weeks ago. That would have stalled the exponential growth, helping to spare health services overload and minimising the lockdown period, compared to doing what we have done. It would have kept the effect on the economy lighter too. yep, closing all non essential is really going to help the economy. Even the WHO said don't lock down. As per usual, you are carefully omitting the rest of what they said to change the meaning. They said it shouldn't be the only tactic used but that is was still a valid tool in certain circumstances." Glad someone else has pointed this out. This has been one of the most misquoted WHO statements and there's been a few. A question that really always needs to be asked or looked at is.. what has been omitted and what has been added. The agenda drives the information interpretation/omissions. So many are concerned about the rules, interpretation of rules and then how to get around the rules. If everyone were to ask themselves when doing something or going somewhere, 'is this essential?' and if it isn't and chose not to do it, we most likely wouldn't be in the situation we're facing now. | |||
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"An average of 450 people die of cancer every day in the U.K. You have a point? Yes 450 people die of cancer every single day on average " This is a thread in the virus section, cancer isn’t a virus. So once again, do you have a point? | |||
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"An average of 450 people die of cancer every day in the U.K. You have a point? Yes 450 people die of cancer every single day on average This is a thread in the virus section, cancer isn’t a virus. So once again, do you have a point?" 180 people die of heart attacks every day in the UK | |||
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"An average of 450 people die of cancer every day in the U.K. You have a point? Yes 450 people die of cancer every single day on average This is a thread in the virus section, cancer isn’t a virus. So once again, do you have a point? 180 people die of heart attacks every day in the UK" ?? The OP was talking about covid though ...... | |||
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"An average of 450 people die of cancer every day in the U.K. You have a point? Yes 450 people die of cancer every single day on average This is a thread in the virus section, cancer isn’t a virus. So once again, do you have a point? 180 people die of heart attacks every day in the UK ?? The OP was talking about covid though ......" He never mentioned Covid | |||
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"An average of 450 people die of cancer every day in the U.K. You have a point? Yes 450 people die of cancer every single day on average This is a thread in the virus section, cancer isn’t a virus. So once again, do you have a point? 180 people die of heart attacks every day in the UK" Really? That is high, what does this mean ? | |||
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"Today Cases 26,000 Deaths 191 At the height in April it was Cases 7,500 Deaths 1200 You can't compare the cases in April with the cases today. We are doing far more testing today than we were doing back in April. It is possible that the cases in April were higher than today's cases. Exactly this - we have no true base line with which to compare as people weren't being tested. " So should we be very happy with the government then for largely bringing it under control and getting to a point where a lot less people are being admitted to hospital and dying . Isn't it wonderful that a whole new industry has grown up testing people for such a relatively mild disease and protecting us from it's worst consequences Wahey. | |||
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"An average of 450 people die of cancer every day in the U.K. You have a point? Yes 450 people die of cancer every single day on average This is a thread in the virus section, cancer isn’t a virus. So once again, do you have a point? 180 people die of heart attacks every day in the UK" A heart attack also isn’t a virus, do you think perhaps you might be posting in the wrong section? | |||
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"An average of 450 people die of cancer every day in the U.K. You have a point? Yes 450 people die of cancer every single day on average This is a thread in the virus section, cancer isn’t a virus. So once again, do you have a point? 180 people die of heart attacks every day in the UK A heart attack also isn’t a virus, do you think perhaps you might be posting in the wrong section?" Both DNA and RNA viruses have been shown to be capable of causing Cancer | |||
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"An average of 450 people die of cancer every day in the U.K. You have a point? Yes 450 people die of cancer every single day on average This is a thread in the virus section, cancer isn’t a virus. So once again, do you have a point? 180 people die of heart attacks every day in the UK A heart attack also isn’t a virus, do you think perhaps you might be posting in the wrong section? Both DNA and RNA viruses have been shown to be capable of causing Cancer" quite correct. Cervical, they've started last few years vaccinating for it but there's still alot unvaccinated. | |||
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"An average of 450 people die of cancer every day in the U.K. You have a point? Yes 450 people die of cancer every single day on average This is a thread in the virus section, cancer isn’t a virus. So once again, do you have a point? 180 people die of heart attacks every day in the UK A heart attack also isn’t a virus, do you think perhaps you might be posting in the wrong section? Both DNA and RNA viruses have been shown to be capable of causing Cancer" Cancer is not classified as a contagious Illness. Covid is contagious. | |||
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"An average of 450 people die of cancer every day in the U.K. You have a point? Yes 450 people die of cancer every single day on average This is a thread in the virus section, cancer isn’t a virus. So once again, do you have a point? 180 people die of heart attacks every day in the UK A heart attack also isn’t a virus, do you think perhaps you might be posting in the wrong section? Both DNA and RNA viruses have been shown to be capable of causing Cancer" You still seem unable to make a point though, why are you posting the average number of deaths per day for various ailments? | |||
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"An average of 450 people die of cancer every day in the U.K. You have a point? Yes 450 people die of cancer every single day on average This is a thread in the virus section, cancer isn’t a virus. So once again, do you have a point? 180 people die of heart attacks every day in the UK A heart attack also isn’t a virus, do you think perhaps you might be posting in the wrong section? Both DNA and RNA viruses have been shown to be capable of causing Cancer Cancer is not classified as a contagious Illness. Covid is contagious. " They didn't say cancer was, they said there's viruses that are classed as contagious that cause some cancers. | |||
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"An average of 450 people die of cancer every day in the U.K. You have a point? Yes 450 people die of cancer every single day on average This is a thread in the virus section, cancer isn’t a virus. So once again, do you have a point? 180 people die of heart attacks every day in the UK A heart attack also isn’t a virus, do you think perhaps you might be posting in the wrong section? Both DNA and RNA viruses have been shown to be capable of causing Cancer You still seem unable to make a point though, why are you posting the average number of deaths per day for various ailments?" Did the OP say we need only report Covid ? | |||
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"An average of 450 people die of cancer every day in the U.K. You have a point? Yes 450 people die of cancer every single day on average This is a thread in the virus section, cancer isn’t a virus. So once again, do you have a point? 180 people die of heart attacks every day in the UK A heart attack also isn’t a virus, do you think perhaps you might be posting in the wrong section? Both DNA and RNA viruses have been shown to be capable of causing Cancer You still seem unable to make a point though, why are you posting the average number of deaths per day for various ailments? Did the OP say we need only report Covid ? " Oh, so you think saying that people die from other things is somehow making a clever point rather than making you look rather foolish? | |||
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"An average of 450 people die of cancer every day in the U.K. You have a point? Yes 450 people die of cancer every single day on average This is a thread in the virus section, cancer isn’t a virus. So once again, do you have a point? 180 people die of heart attacks every day in the UK A heart attack also isn’t a virus, do you think perhaps you might be posting in the wrong section? Both DNA and RNA viruses have been shown to be capable of causing Cancer Cancer is not classified as a contagious Illness. Covid is contagious. They didn't say cancer was, they said there's viruses that are classed as contagious that cause some cancers." "....They didn't say cancer was..." --------------------------- And I didn't say they said so. | |||
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"An average of 450 people die of cancer every day in the U.K. You have a point? Yes 450 people die of cancer every single day on average This is a thread in the virus section, cancer isn’t a virus. So once again, do you have a point? 180 people die of heart attacks every day in the UK A heart attack also isn’t a virus, do you think perhaps you might be posting in the wrong section? Both DNA and RNA viruses have been shown to be capable of causing Cancer You still seem unable to make a point though, why are you posting the average number of deaths per day for various ailments? Did the OP say we need only report Covid ? " It is on a virus forum thread , your making yourself look very silly | |||
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