FabSwingers.com forum: Dragging this crap out!

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I honestly can't live another 3 years like this, hiding and dragging this crap out! Protect the vulnerable and get everyone exposed, thought that's what this community was about: exposing ourselves?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm happy to go first on the herd immunity express personally

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I'm happy to go first on the herd immunity express personally"

100% we have to build up our immune system. It's what we have always done. Hiding is just prolonging the inevitable.

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By *ersnickety PantsWoman
over a year ago

Club Meets Only

Totally agree

apparently a lot don't tho

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire

Is herd immunity still a 'thing'?

I thought there were people catching it a second time..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Totally agree

apparently a lot don't tho"

Nobody is asking them to come outside. You should have a choice...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is herd immunity still a 'thing'?

I thought there were people catching it a second time.."

7 people worldwide all different strains from their original infection.

Keep up.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I honestly can't live another 3 years like this, hiding and dragging this crap out! Protect the vulnerable and get everyone exposed, thought that's what this community was about: exposing ourselves?

what do you mean by protect the vulnerable?

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By *udistcpl1Couple
over a year ago

Wirral

Apparently, you can't protect the vunerable successfully. In the end, it gets through - or are you saying that its unlucky the some will die?

I would prefer to see some WHO recommendations put in place. Right at the very start (before March) they said the key is testing and tracking. It now seems so obvious. We haven't done it or even tried by the looks of things and we are paying the price.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I honestly can't live another 3 years like this, hiding and dragging this crap out! Protect the vulnerable and get everyone exposed, thought that's what this community was about: exposing ourselves?

Another 3 years,?

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By *ersnickety PantsWoman
over a year ago

Club Meets Only

"Apparently, you can't protect the vunerable successfully. In the end, it gets through - or are you saying that its unlucky the some will die?

That's it isn't it, there are people who have totally isolated from everyone & still caught it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I honestly can't live another 3 years like this, hiding and dragging this crap out! Protect the vulnerable and get everyone exposed, thought that's what this community was about: exposing ourselves?

Another 3 years,?"

Aye I tought 3years was a little optimistic

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I honestly can't live another 3 years like this, hiding and dragging this crap out! Protect the vulnerable and get everyone exposed, thought that's what this community was about: exposing ourselves?

Is your concern about income or fucking strangers?

I can respect and understand the former and yes there are undoubtedly anxiety and loneliness for those not able to have physical contact but there's too many on here saying fuck it I just want to fuck and I don't care if that means someone's close relative end up on a ventilator..

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

We should let those who advocate for herd immunity get together and be deliberately infected.

Surely they'd all put their money where their mouth is.

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By *ovelybumCouple
over a year ago

Tunbridge Wells

The crude reality which so many are refusing to accept is that we need to move on.

There will be more casualties and the health services are going to be under massive strain, but if we keep going in circles with so called "lockdowns" which will become harder and harder for people to stick to, the damage will be far greater.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

My concern is that all these measures that seem to be put in place have negative affects elsewhere, I mean closing gyms, but leaving eateries open? Just to mention one..

I am just frustrated with the entire thing and would be happy to take my own chances.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"The crude reality which so many are refusing to accept is that we need to move on.

So what should we do?

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

"My concern is that all these measures that seem to be put in place have negative affects elsewhere, I mean closing gyms, but leaving eateries open? Just to mention one..

I am just frustrated with the entire thing and would be happy to take my own chances. "

. It’s not about you taking your chances it’s about reducing the likelihood of you becoming a vector for the virus to expose other more at risk people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My concern is that all these measures that seem to be put in place have negative affects elsewhere, I mean closing gyms, but leaving eateries open? Just to mention one..

I am just frustrated with the entire thing and would be happy to take my own chances. "

Ok but you don’t get to make that choice for other people, and to be fair unless you are an asthmatic you are unlikely to be in any of the high risk groups, so it’s pretty easy for you to take that risk.

How would you feel if you passed it on to someone and they died?

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By *bsinthe_boyMan
over a year ago

Luton

"I honestly can't live another 3 years like this, hiding and dragging this crap out! Protect the vulnerable and get everyone exposed, thought that's what this community was about: exposing ourselves?

So I'm supposed to forget about every meaningfully intersecting with the vulnerable people in my life because I'm not personally vulnerable?

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By *r_FaustusMan
over a year ago

Northampton

For me, the questions are:

1. How many need to be infected to get to herd immunity? (A: Prob 80+%)

2. For that level of infection, how many will die? (A: if it’s as low as 0.5%, then that’s around 240000 for the UK)

3. For that level of infection, how many will have post-infection symptoms, either for months or years, and at what level of disability: post-ICU syndrome; organ damage from the primary infection; flitting, ongoing infection/inflammation? (A: the really big unknown...)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It can be serious for an extremely small amount of people, mostly old and vunerable, everyone else who catches the virus either has no symptoms or very mild cold like symptoms and if we hadnt been told about the big bad scary covid everyone would put it down to a cold or flu like bug,

So my personal opinion is that the vast majority of us that are not being sucked in by the scare mongering should go about our lives as we want optional masks, go clubbing, go on holiday, go to see family, have parties,weddings, birthdays and enjoy life. If we get poorly like we all do any other year, we will deal with it.

And if you are unfortunatly one of the more vunerable people in society, (we all get dealt a shit card in life at some point) then im sure your more than capable of going about your life the best you can whilst doing everything you deem neccessary to protect yourself the best you can, ie shop when its quiet, dont go to any busy events, wear a mask, stay clean, clean things you may come into contact with, keep your distance from other people and basically use your common sense, like i said im sure your all more than capable of doing so.

Also only get tested if you have serious symptoms or in hospital so you dont drive up the 'positive' or 'false positive' tests and then covid will slowly start to dissappear from the news and tv and we will all be able to get on with life as normal and the economy will be saved

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"My concern is that all these measures that seem to be put in place have negative affects elsewhere, I mean closing gyms, but leaving eateries open? Just to mention one..

I am just frustrated with the entire thing and would be happy to take my own chances.

How would you feel if you passed it on to someone and they died?"

Do you honestly believe that this is just going to die out? I am under no illusion that this will somehow infect the entire population at some stage or other. Preventative medicine is going to be the only way out of this, now be that by immunity or vacancies. Should we just shield and wait?

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By *ovelybumCouple
over a year ago

Tunbridge Wells

"The crude reality which so many are refusing to accept is that we need to move on.

So what should we do?"

Use common sence

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It can be serious for an extremely small amount of people, mostly old and vunerable, everyone else who catches the virus either has no symptoms or very mild cold like symptoms and if we hadnt been told about the big bad scary covid everyone would put it down to a cold or flu like bug,

Couldn't have put it better myself!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The crude reality which so many are refusing to accept is that we need to move on.

So what should we do?

Use common sence"

Unfortunately COVIDiots don’t have common sense,

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple
over a year ago

Broadstairs

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Good post

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I honestly can't live another 3 years like this, hiding and dragging this crap out! Protect the vulnerable and get everyone exposed, thought that's what this community was about: exposing ourselves?

Another 3 years,?"

Well it seems that Donald Trump is trying to buy up all the Oxford Vaccine supply (including ours) meaning that it's now a race between regulators. If the FDA approves Chaddox first we might lose our vaccinations. I'm hoping this has the effect of expediting approval.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My concern is that all these measures that seem to be put in place have negative affects elsewhere, I mean closing gyms, but leaving eateries open? Just to mention one..

I am just frustrated with the entire thing and would be happy to take my own chances.

How would you feel if you passed it on to someone and they died?

I agree, but we need to slow the Virus down until we are at that stage, just going back to normal at this stage will be far worse for the economy in the long term

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Apparently, you can't protect the vunerable successfully. In the end, it gets through - or are you saying that its unlucky the some will die?

We are testing 300k a day now. What are you talking about?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The crude reality which so many are refusing to accept is that we need to move on.

So what should we do?"

You must have a whole book full of answers now with this question

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By *ovelybumCouple
over a year ago

Tunbridge Wells

"The crude reality which so many are refusing to accept is that we need to move on.

So what should we do?

Use common sence

Unfortunately COVIDiots don’t have common sense, "

Neither the vast majority of people it appears

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I honestly can't live another 3 years like this, hiding and dragging this crap out! Protect the vulnerable and get everyone exposed, thought that's what this community was about: exposing ourselves?

A few simple facts for you:

There’s no guarantee herd immunity works, there’s evidence already of reinfections with different covid-19 strains and moving forward we will have many more mutations. It’s a challenge for any vaccine we produce too.

The vulnerable... there’s 15,000,000 of them, some will be partners, friends, colleges etc, how do you shield them within a mixed household?

Also... mass exposure, this would highly likely kill the NHS capacity, swamp the service and batter other services

So what am I missing here in this genius plan? I’m really struggling to understand it. X

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By *dores blackmenWoman
over a year ago

incognito mode ;-)

People went back to work,alot of businesses reopened,

schools/colleges/university returned etc etc

Six weeks later we have been put into tiers and Wales for eg have full 2 week lockdown

So those few weeks we had just hands,face space didn't work

so letting us all do 'the normal' and build up immunity is not really an option,or we wouldn't be back in this situation of new lockdowns

It's hard for everyone

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By *ichelle999Couple
over a year ago

leicester

"I honestly can't live another 3 years like this, hiding and dragging this crap out! Protect the vulnerable and get everyone exposed, thought that's what this community was about: exposing ourselves?

A few simple facts for you:

The vulnerable... there’s 15,000,000 of them, some will be partners, friends, colleges etc, how do you shield them within a mixed household?

Also... mass exposure, this would highly likely kill the NHS capacity, swamp the service and batter other services

So what am I missing here in this genius plan? I’m really struggling to understand it. X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The crude reality which so many are refusing to accept is that we need to move on.

So what should we do?

Use common sence

Unfortunately COVIDiots don’t have common sense,

Neither the vast majority of people it appears "

True, and that is why we are where we are unfortunately

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire

"Is herd immunity still a 'thing'?

I thought there were people catching it a second time..

7 people worldwide all different strains from their original infection.

Keep up."

As there appears to be no guarantee that long term immunity happens after an infection this sounds akin to playing Russian roulette with an unknow number of bullets at the moment.

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield

"I honestly can't live another 3 years like this, hiding and dragging this crap out! Protect the vulnerable and get everyone exposed, thought that's what this community was about: exposing ourselves?

Problem is when we expose ourselves we also expose everybody we come in contact with afterwards

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

OMG!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So if you are disabled or chronically ill it’s awful that you are already excluded from so much but tough shit because now you’re going to have to stay the fuck out of the way because er aren’t going to change one fucking thing about our lives.

Does that pretty much sum it up?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

So in essence;

tough shit if your elderly and helped to rebuild the country through the post war years just stay at home and venture out in the hope some moron won't be standing next to you who tested positive but has had enough..

you have underlying health issues and some of you will be working and contributing to the economy but off you go home, bye job..

It's been 7 months and people are happy to throw others under a bus..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My concern is that all these measures that seem to be put in place have negative affects elsewhere, I mean closing gyms, but leaving eateries open? Just to mention one..

I am just frustrated with the entire thing and would be happy to take my own chances.

How would you feel if you passed it on to someone and they died?

How would you feel if you passed Covid onto someone and they died?

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By *crumdiddlyumptiousMan
over a year ago

Unless the close the borders we can go in and out of lockdown for the next 6-12 months someone out there can always bring it back into the country, Back in march I thought this would only last a few weeks a couple of months at most, But can see this going on until there is a working vaccine

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So in essence;

you have underlying health issues and some of you will be working and contributing to the economy but off you go home, bye job..

It's been 7 months and people are happy to throw others under a bus.."

And people wonder how the holocaust happened. Hitler had 7 years to make a group of people disposable, it’s only taken us 7 months.

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

"I honestly can't live another 3 years like this, hiding and dragging this crap out! Protect the vulnerable and get everyone exposed, thought that's what this community was about: exposing ourselves?

It's probably just as well that your opinion isn't really relevamt then.

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple
over a year ago

Broadstairs

"Unless the close the borders we can go in and out of lockdown for the next 6-12 months someone out there can always bring it back into the country, Back in march I thought this would only last a few weeks a couple of months at most, But can see this going on until there is a working vaccine"
There may never be a vaccine

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So in essence;

you have underlying health issues and some of you will be working and contributing to the economy but off you go home, bye job..

It's been 7 months and people are happy to throw others under a bus.."

Absolutely this!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So in essence;

you have underlying health issues and some of you will be working and contributing to the economy but off you go home, bye job..

It's been 7 months and people are happy to throw others under a bus..

And people wonder how the holocaust happened. Hitler had 7 years to make a group of people disposable, it’s only taken us 7 months."

Its all become rather unsavoury hasn't it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So in essence;

you have underlying health issues and some of you will be working and contributing to the economy but off you go home, bye job..

It's been 7 months and people are happy to throw others under a bus..

And people wonder how the holocaust happened. Hitler had 7 years to make a group of people disposable, it’s only taken us 7 months."

Its terrifying how some lives are deemed less important...if you are old, or disabled, or sick then it seems you are cannon folder so Darren can go and down jagerbombs in wetherspoons on a Friday night...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So in essence;

you have underlying health issues and some of you will be working and contributing to the economy but off you go home, bye job..

It's been 7 months and people are happy to throw others under a bus..

And people wonder how the holocaust happened. Hitler had 7 years to make a group of people disposable, it’s only taken us 7 months.

Its all become rather unsavoury hasn't it.

It’s really quite scary that people care so little for others.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Here's what confuses me. I doubt not one person on this forum knows how to use Google yet we are constantly being bombarded with false information.

Above is an entire thread that totally denies that a vaccine is being developed with more brains and more money behind it than any vaccine in human history. This is a vaccine that WILL be available in 2021, so where did we get three years from?????"

I've been saying this for weeks when people have said there won't be a vaccine because it takes 5 to 10 years. But as you have said there are more people working on this than there would ever normally be for a vaccine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Here's what confuses me. I doubt not one person on this forum doesn't know how to use Google yet we are constantly being bombarded with false information.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just do not understand people anymore and to be perfectly honest I don't like people anymore I think I'm just gonna buy a cat.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I honestly can't live another 3 years like this, hiding and dragging this crap out! Protect the vulnerable and get everyone exposed, thought that's what this community was about: exposing ourselves?

It's probably just as well that your opinion isn't really relevamt then."

Never said I had the answer, hence coming to a forum. However positive or negative, everybody is entitled to their opinion, all opinions are relevant regardless. That's we are a democracy. And as my Mum says "You can learn off any idiot"

Blessings to all and I wish you well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know if i was old or vunerable i wouldnt expect the 99% of the population to change their way of life and miss out on birthday parties, weddings, holidays, events ect ect just because, if i dont do what i deem neccesary to look after myself in my position they MAY pass a virus onto me that MAY or MAY NOT be serious.

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By *ose and her beastCouple
over a year ago

Watford

I will agree I want everyone to be safe but with job losses and no social life it feels like we are stuck in limbo

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So in essence;

you have underlying health issues and some of you will be working and contributing to the economy but off you go home, bye job..

It's been 7 months and people are happy to throw others under a bus..

And people wonder how the holocaust happened. Hitler had 7 years to make a group of people disposable, it’s only taken us 7 months.

I’ve not fucked a stranger off the internet for a few months so I’m afraid the elderly and disabled will just have to stay indoors if they want to live.

It beggars belief.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I know if i was old or vunerable i wouldnt expect the 99% of the population to change their way of life and miss out on birthday parties, weddings, holidays, events ect ect just because, if i dont do what i deem neccesary to look after myself in my position they MAY pass a virus onto me that MAY or MAY NOT be serious."

I'm 37 years old and I am exceptionally vulnerable so what you are saying is your need for a holiday or to go to a wedding is more important than my well being and I should shut myself away not go to work or see my family so you can pretend nothing is happening

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"So in essence;

you have underlying health issues and some of you will be working and contributing to the economy but off you go home, bye job..

It's been 7 months and people are happy to throw others under a bus..

And people wonder how the holocaust happened. Hitler had 7 years to make a group of people disposable, it’s only taken us 7 months."

Scary isnt it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Here's what confuses me. I doubt not one person on this forum knows how to use Google yet we are constantly being bombarded with false information.

It's an inconvenient truth that kills their argument and therefore ignore it.

They started production of this vaccine in August already. There will be 2 billion doses available by the time it's approved.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I never quite get the reasoning behind why the old and vulnerable are considered to be thrown under the bus. By the very definition they are vulnerable and as such we take proper care for their health anyway with all the bugs we currently have. Care workers not allowed at work with certain illnesses etc. I remember not seeing my dear old Gran for many winters if ever we had colds or stomach bugs. We can manage to keep vulnerable safe in general in everyday life, Im not sure why it is considered such an unworkable thing to achieve now without resorting to the 'lock them up and forget them horror' mentality.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I honestly can't live another 3 years like this, hiding and dragging this crap out! Protect the vulnerable and get everyone exposed, thought that's what this community was about: exposing ourselves?

A few simple facts for you:

The vulnerable... there’s 15,000,000 of them, some will be partners, friends, colleges etc, how do you shield them within a mixed household?

Also... mass exposure, this would highly likely kill the NHS capacity, swamp the service and batter other services

So what am I missing here in this genius plan? I’m really struggling to understand it. X

Only real sense spoken in here and least selfish.

Imagine if some here were running the country we'd have a great economy for say 3 months but no health care to deal with simple routine operations and ordinary ailments. Then they'll need to find billions more from somewhere to start the NHS again, imagine the back log. Re-election wouldn't be far round the corner

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I never quite get the reasoning behind why the old and vulnerable are considered to be thrown under the bus. By the very definition they are vulnerable and as such we take proper care for their health anyway with all the bugs we currently have. Care workers not allowed at work with certain illnesses etc. I remember not seeing my dear old Gran for many winters if ever we had colds or stomach bugs. We can manage to keep vulnerable safe in general in everyday life, Im not sure why it is considered such an unworkable thing to achieve now without resorting to the 'lock them up and forget them horror' mentality.

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Because it's about 40% of the population.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You’re 30, you haven’t a fucking clue how you would feel if you were old or vulnerable.

Oh and 40% of the population are vulnerable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Because it's about 40% of the population. "

And that in itself is an awful figure to admit to for our nations health.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love how everyone who isn't vulnerable thinks they can speak for those that are. You just know what is coming next when someone says 'if I was older or vulnerable'..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You stayed away from your gran, you didn’t force her to stay in her house so you weren’t inconvenienced.

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By *r_FaustusMan
over a year ago

Northampton

Re vaccines:

Yes, there’s one in development

Yes, it may work

However,

1. It may not work

2. SARS-CoV-19 seems to be worse the second time round, perhaps because of immune system overstimulation. If a vaccine does that, then it will be of no value and may make people unwell.

DoI: medic; vaccines are great; science is great; masks are necessary; look after yourselves and others please x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Funny how the concept of quarantining people coming into the country at the beginning of this pandemic was unthinkable. How will we keep hundreds of thousands of people from the general population????

Now we think we can keep millions of people separate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thats not what i was saying, i was saying if i was in your unfortunate position i wouldnt expect the 99% to miss out on anything they wish to do or have their businesses suffer just because i may have to alter my way of life to protect myself.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love how everyone who isn't vulnerable thinks they can speak for those that are. You just know what is coming next when someone says 'if I was older or vulnerable'..

Exactly. I'm 37 and have a condition that makes me very valuable but I work, live an active and full life but my life doesn't matter as much. Its really getting to me.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I just do not understand people anymore and to be perfectly honest I don't like people anymore I think I'm just gonna buy a cat. "

Cats scratch, get a dog..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What unfortunate position?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What unfortunate position?"

Ohand just so you know 40% of the population is vulnerable so actually it's not 99%.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

I love how everyone who isn't vulnerable thinks they can speak for those that are. You just know what is coming next when someone says 'if I was older or vulnerable'..

My best friend is vulnerable

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It’s not 99% the ‘vulnerable’ make up around 40% of the population. 15% of the population are under 18 so that leaves 45% pretty much even.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Figures for yesterday are at 0.42% deaths (every death is tragic) in the 19,000 positive results. Far far from where we were in April 21 28%. 1100 death of the 3900 cases..

How can anyone say its still as deadly as it was?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Figures for yesterday are at 0.42% deaths (every death is tragic) in the 19,000 positive results. Far far from where we were in April 21 28%. 1100 death of the 3900 cases..

How can anyone say its still as deadly as it was? "

Give it a couple of weeks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love how everyone who isn't vulnerable thinks they can speak for those that are. You just know what is coming next when someone says 'if I was older or vulnerable'..

My best friend is vulnerable

I met a vulnerable person once.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love how everyone who isn't vulnerable thinks they can speak for those that are. You just know what is coming next when someone says 'if I was older or vulnerable'..

My best friend is vulnerable

I met a vulnerable person once."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Re vaccines:

Yes, there’s one in development

Yes, it may work

However,

1. It may not work

2. SARS-CoV-19 seems to be worse the second time round, perhaps because of immune system overstimulation. If a vaccine does that, then it will be of no value and may make people unwell.

DoI: medic; vaccines are great; science is great; masks are necessary; look after yourselves and others please x"

Well all we have to go on is the results of trials thus far and they are positive.

Making vaccines is not a new concept. Why should we be able to produce a new cocktail of flu vaccines every year, but suddenly fail?

It seems people don't want to believe there is a solution. Hysteria is so much more fun!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love how everyone who isn't vulnerable thinks they can speak for those that are. You just know what is coming next when someone says 'if I was older or vulnerable'..

So your saying if you classed yourself as vunerable you would expect the whole population to miss out on some enjoyable aspects of their life and potentially lose their businesses, homes ect for 1% of the population, that could actually take some common sense steps to still live the best life possible in their position??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The problem is people think but if you are in the vulnerable category somehow your life is diminished somehow anyway. That really isn't the case and actually there is lots of reasons that make someone who would otherwise be fairly healthy vulnerable to this virus.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love how everyone who isn't vulnerable thinks they can speak for those that are. You just know what is coming next when someone says 'if I was older or vulnerable'..

What part of its actually 40% of the population are you not understanding?

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

Aren’t the old and vulnerable entitled to experience these things again, the simple family occasions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Figures for yesterday are at 0.42% deaths (every death is tragic) in the 19,000 positive results. Far far from where we were in April 21 28%. 1100 death of the 3900 cases..

How can anyone say its still as deadly as it was? "

Perhaps there is a difference between coming out of winter with a Vitamin D deficienct population and going into winter?

They say masks have made the 'viral load' smaller. This is an argument to continue using masks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love how everyone who isn't vulnerable thinks they can speak for those that are. You just know what is coming next when someone says 'if I was older or vulnerable'..

How many times do you need to be told the vulnerable make up 40% of the population?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Aren’t the old and vulnerable entitled to experience these things again, the simple family occasions. "

Apparently not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love how everyone who isn't vulnerable thinks they can speak for those that are. You just know what is coming next when someone says 'if I was older or vulnerable'..

How many times do you need to be told the vulnerable make up 40% of the population?"

You keep copying me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love how everyone who isn't vulnerable thinks they can speak for those that are. You just know what is coming next when someone says 'if I was older or vulnerable'..

How many times do you need to be told the vulnerable make up 40% of the population?

You keep copying me.

You’re just a faster typist

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

I love how everyone who isn't vulnerable thinks they can speak for those that are. You just know what is coming next when someone says 'if I was older or vulnerable'..

Put them in camps?

Essentially they would be better off being able to mix with each other than some isolating alone..

Might sound tongue in cheek but it's been half suggested before..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

It's all here, more positive tests, less deaths... https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love how everyone who isn't vulnerable thinks they can speak for those that are. You just know what is coming next when someone says 'if I was older or vulnerable'..

Put them in camps?

Essentially they would be better off being able to mix with each other than some isolating alone..

Might sound tongue in cheek but it's been half suggested before..

I'm only going if its got a hot tub.

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By *upergirthukMan
over a year ago

Honolulu

"Apparently, you can't protect the vunerable successfully. In the end, it gets through - or are you saying that its unlucky the some will die?

I wouldn't trust WHO with my lif though as they are the reason diabetes is at crazy levels when they offered carbs up as a valid alternative to feed on to replace fat. They aren't as carbs end up damaging your pancreas and render it ineffective in processing carbs which in turn raise blood sugar levels and cause diabetes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You stayed away from your gran, you didn’t force her to stay in her house so you weren’t inconvenienced."

So I guess we are just back at consideration for others around us, and mask wearing and distancing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love how everyone who isn't vulnerable thinks they can speak for those that are. You just know what is coming next when someone says 'if I was older or vulnerable'..

Put them in camps?

Essentially they would be better off being able to mix with each other than some isolating alone..

Might sound tongue in cheek but it's been half suggested before..

I'm only going if its got a hot tub. "

Mind sharing with 15 million people?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love how everyone who isn't vulnerable thinks they can speak for those that are. You just know what is coming next when someone says 'if I was older or vulnerable'..

What part of its actually 40% of the population are you not understanding?"

Iv only just seen that figure as i was replying to another message, and if that number is correct or not it makes no odds, i wouldnt expect anyone to change their way of life to protect me, even if vunerable (unless disabled) people can still do whatever it takes to look after themselves, by all means id help anyone if they needed it but life goes on, its short enough as it is and people are missing out on certain aspects when they are perfectly sble to be doing whatever they want and also people need their busnesses to work to pay taxes to pay the vunerable people who cant work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Figures for yesterday are at 0.42% deaths (every death is tragic) in the 19,000 positive results. Far far from where we were in April 21 28%. 1100 death of the 3900 cases..

How can anyone say its still as deadly as it was? "

How can you not see that this is less about deaths and more about saving the NHS in order to cope.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love how everyone who isn't vulnerable thinks they can speak for those that are. You just know what is coming next when someone says 'if I was older or vulnerable'..

Put them in camps?

Essentially they would be better off being able to mix with each other than some isolating alone..

Might sound tongue in cheek but it's been half suggested before..

I'm only going if its got a hot tub.

Mind sharing with 15 million people?"

Why not. At least we will all be in the same boats and I won't have to put up with being told that somehow I'm a drain on society and stopping people going to weddings and parties. We can have our own parties while the other 40% have to do all the hard work and pay for us to have an absolute ball I actually quite like this idea.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You stayed away from your gran, you didn’t force her to stay in her house so you weren’t inconvenienced.

So I guess we are just back at consideration for others around us, and mask wearing and distancing

Bbbbbut not being able to get a leg over is killing people! It's worse than Covid!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love how everyone who isn't vulnerable thinks they can speak for those that are. You just know what is coming next when someone says 'if I was older or vulnerable'..

Put them in camps?

Essentially they would be better off being able to mix with each other than some isolating alone..

Might sound tongue in cheek but it's been half suggested before..

I'm only going if its got a hot tub.

Mind sharing with 15 million people?

Got room for one more

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I am getting my inflatable canoe out and setting off for the Isle of Man. Wish me Luck

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love how everyone who isn't vulnerable thinks they can speak for those that are. You just know what is coming next when someone says 'if I was older or vulnerable'..

Put them in camps?

Essentially they would be better off being able to mix with each other than some isolating alone..

Might sound tongue in cheek but it's been half suggested before..

I'm only going if its got a hot tub.

Mind sharing with 15 million people?

Got room for one more

Maybe but are you vulnerable enough?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love how everyone who isn't vulnerable thinks they can speak for those that are. You just know what is coming next when someone says 'if I was older or vulnerable'..

Put them in camps?

Essentially they would be better off being able to mix with each other than some isolating alone..

Might sound tongue in cheek but it's been half suggested before..

I'm only going if its got a hot tub.

Mind sharing with 15 million people?

Got room for one more

Maybe but are you vulnerable enough?

I can be

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let's get this straight.

Are there NO businesses functioning in the UK right now?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

I love how everyone who isn't vulnerable thinks they can speak for those that are. You just know what is coming next when someone says 'if I was older or vulnerable'..

Put them in camps?

Essentially they would be better off being able to mix with each other than some isolating alone..

Might sound tongue in cheek but it's been half suggested before..

I'm only going if its got a hot tub.

Mind sharing with 15 million people?

It has merit..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love how everyone who isn't vulnerable thinks they can speak for those that are. You just know what is coming next when someone says 'if I was older or vulnerable'..

What part of its actually 40% of the population are you not understanding?

How about you help people by socially distancing, sanitising, wearing a mask, and accepting that there will be some restrictions on your activities so that you aren’t endangering others unnecessarily?

Or by helping do you mean so long as you aren’t inconvenienced in any way?

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Figures for yesterday are at 0.42% deaths (every death is tragic) in the 19,000 positive results. Far far from where we were in April 21 28%. 1100 death of the 3900 cases..

How can anyone say its still as deadly as it was? "

Well you're not Comparing like with like.

Today we are testing 300k per day. In April it was something like 25k per day.

Today we test contacts of people infected. In April you could only get a test if you were admitted to hospital and showing symptoms.

Hospitalisation now 10 times what it was 4 weeks ago. Ventilated patients up to over 500.

1000 per day admitted to hospital.

Care homes now wearing Ppe and testing... In April they weren't.

You can't compare the two.

Nonetheless. If it is less deadly. That will be fantastic news.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Figures for yesterday are at 0.42% deaths (every death is tragic) in the 19,000 positive results. Far far from where we were in April 21 28%. 1100 death of the 3900 cases..

How can anyone say its still as deadly as it was?

Well you're not Comparing like with like.

Today we are testing 300k per day. In April it was something like 25k per day.

Today we test contacts of people infected. In April you could only get a test if you were admitted to hospital and showing symptoms.

Hospitalisation now 10 times what it was 4 weeks ago. Ventilated patients up to over 500.

1000 per day admitted to hospital.

Care homes now wearing Ppe and testing... In April they weren't.

You can't compare the two.

Nonetheless. If it is less deadly. That will be fantastic news. "

Care homes were not wearing ppe in april ?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

You may have misunderstood the scene op. First priority - don't harm or kill others. Clubs and the site are focused only on social and socially distanced meetings.

If you want the NHS to be overwhelmed, unable to care well for anyone with any health problems or facing lifesaving needs, then we would relax any virus controls for the majority of the population. Otherwise we need to get the government to take the right decisions and the public to support everyone else.

The reality is that we are facing little compared to the elders amongst us who came through world war 2. We definitely have people who have had massive impacts on their mental health and they should be respected and provided with support. We are intelligent enough to learn from what we've done so far and to improve our approach. Giving up is not an option for our future wellbeing

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire

When was this?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You may have misunderstood the scene op. First priority - don't harm or kill others. Clubs and the site are focused only on social and socially distanced meetings.

You always speak sense.

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By *igh wide and handsomeMan
over a year ago

Dagenham

Does that pretty much sum it up?"

But aren't you staying out the way already??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can I ask, did you actually believe any of that as you typed it, seriously?

Btw... you may not realise but some of the 15,000,000 vulnerable people in the U.K. may actually live amongst the non vulnerable. They might be their mum, dad, partner, flat mate etc...

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By *r FirecrackerMan
over a year ago

London

The volume of misinformation on this thread and site is staggering, for the love of god learn how to fact check. I will give you a clue, facts will rarely appear on FB and Twitter! This is due to them being drowned out by the same crap I am reading on here.

I know it’s far from ideal but saying let’s sacrifice people through herd immunity (not proven to be a real thing yet!) in order to save the economy and allow us to socialise again is at best.....barbaric.

If you choose to ignore the rules and catch Covid from pure ignorance then I hope it puts you on your back, for good. It happened to one of those so called influencers recently in Poland, he said it wasn’t real, he’s now dead. Pull your heads out of the sand and help save people’s lives.

Also available for children’s parties

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By *uietlykinkymeWoman
over a year ago

kinky land

I've read 'vulnerable ' so many times in here, how is it worked out?

What is vulnerable actually and given how I've never seen anything to suggest that 40% of the population is likely to die from covid, how that figure is now coming up?

There could be 40% of our population considered medically vulnerable but that doesn't automatically mean they will become seriously ill or even show any symptoms of covid.

There is precedent that people at risk medically speaking, shield or avoid various things (heart and lung transplant patient being kept in semi isolation as an eg)

Why assume that it's people that want to get sex or go to the pub are the only people that are open to considering all options?

Why can't we all pull together and give anyone that wants to keep themselves safe, work from home and those that feel the economy needs emergency help, to go out and work /help re-engage the economy?

It's not one or the other.

Not everyone that worries about the economy or their child's education/future employment wants to see the vulnerable locked away and not everyone considered medically vulnerable wants the rest of the country forced into isolation and or lock down.

It's disgraceful that our nhs is so understaffed and under resourced that every year they struggle with flu patients.

It's disgraceful that we didn't get testing properly back in March and that we still are not testing enough now, months on

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I've read 'vulnerable ' so many times in here, how is it worked out?

What is vulnerable actually and given how I've never seen anything to suggest that 40% of the population is likely to die from covid, how that figure is now coming up?

There could be 40% of our population considered medically vulnerable but that doesn't automatically mean they will become seriously ill or even show any symptoms of covid.

There is precedent that people at risk medically speaking, shield or avoid various things (heart and lung transplant patient being kept in semi isolation as an eg)

Why assume that it's people that want to get sex or go to the pub are the only people that are open to considering all options?

Why can't we all pull together and give anyone that wants to keep themselves safe, work from home and those that feel the economy needs emergency help, to go out and work /help re-engage the economy?

It's not one or the other.

It's disgraceful that our nhs is so understaffed and under resourced that every year they struggle with flu patients.

It's disgraceful that we didn't get testing properly back in March and that we still are not testing enough now, months on

We live in an inherently selfish society.

For the last 40 years we have been told it's the individual that matters not society.

It's not really a surprise then when some people have a 'I'm alright Jack 'attitude.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Does that pretty much sum it up?

But aren't you staying out the way already??"

Not particularly, we’ve not been to a pub or restaurant or the like since all this started but we go shopping and go to work as normal, adhering to social distancing, face masks and hand washing. It’s a small price to pay to keep people safe.

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By *upergirthukMan
over a year ago

Honolulu

When was this?"

Late 70s.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Took 25yrs for a chicken pox vaccine.

There are multiple strains of flu too.

Just adding my bar-humbug approach..

Sorry

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The volume of misinformation on this thread and site is staggering, for the love of god learn how to fact check. I will give you a clue, facts will rarely appear on FB and Twitter! This is due to them being drowned out by the same crap I am reading on here.

Also available for children’s parties

What are these 'facts' you speak of? They went out the revolving door when social media came in

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Took 25yrs for a chicken pox vaccine.

There are multiple strains of flu too.

Just adding my bar-humbug approach..

Sorry"

And STILL no herd immunity...

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

We are going to have to learn to live with this virus. I think people are holding out a little too much hope on the vaccine being a magic bullet.

It’s all such new ground. The vulnerable and those around them will need to be careful for years.

Its going to take a long time for anything approaching normality.

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

I agree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We are going to have to learn to live with this virus. I think people are holding out a little too much hope on the vaccine being a magic bullet.

It’s all such new ground. The vulnerable and those around them will need to be careful for years.

Its going to take a long time for anything approaching normality. "

Can you supply reasoning behind this statement?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Smallpox is estimated to have killed up to 300 million people in the 20th century and around 500 million people in the last 100 years of its existence.

It killed 3 out of 10 people infected.

How many people do you know died of smallpox?

Why?

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

When was this?

Late 70s."

Hmmm

Science evolves

People learn

Things change

Idiots and brexiteers live in the past

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"We are going to have to learn to live with this virus. I think people are holding out a little too much hope on the vaccine being a magic bullet.

It’s all such new ground. The vulnerable and those around them will need to be careful for years.

Its going to take a long time for anything approaching normality.

Can you supply reasoning behind this statement?"

Yes sir Patrick Vallance said it today and the chap whose name I forget said it over the weekend when they were showing the vaccines on the production line.

Most vaccine companies are urging caution.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've read 'vulnerable ' so many times in here, how is it worked out?

What is vulnerable actually and given how I've never seen anything to suggest that 40% of the population is likely to die from covid, how that figure is now coming up?

There could be 40% of our population considered medically vulnerable but that doesn't automatically mean they will become seriously ill or even show any symptoms of covid.

There is precedent that people at risk medically speaking, shield or avoid various things (heart and lung transplant patient being kept in semi isolation as an eg)

Why assume that it's people that want to get sex or go to the pub are the only people that are open to considering all options?

Why can't we all pull together and give anyone that wants to keep themselves safe, work from home and those that feel the economy needs emergency help, to go out and work /help re-engage the economy?

It's not one or the other.

It's disgraceful that our nhs is so understaffed and under resourced that every year they struggle with flu patients.

It's disgraceful that we didn't get testing properly back in March and that we still are not testing enough now, months on

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire

When was this?

Late 70s."

I've been diabetic since 1970 and have never heard of, or indeed experienced this.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"I've read 'vulnerable ' so many times in here, how is it worked out?

What is vulnerable actually and given how I've never seen anything to suggest that 40% of the population is likely to die from covid, how that figure is now coming up?

There could be 40% of our population considered medically vulnerable but that doesn't automatically mean they will become seriously ill or even show any symptoms of covid.

There is precedent that people at risk medically speaking, shield or avoid various things (heart and lung transplant patient being kept in semi isolation as an eg)

Why assume that it's people that want to get sex or go to the pub are the only people that are open to considering all options?

Why can't we all pull together and give anyone that wants to keep themselves safe, work from home and those that feel the economy needs emergency help, to go out and work /help re-engage the economy?

It's not one or the other.

It's disgraceful that our nhs is so understaffed and under resourced that every year they struggle with flu patients.

It's disgraceful that we didn't get testing properly back in March and that we still are not testing enough now, months on

We test 300k per day. How many is enough?

Testing only works when as a result of the test you change your behaviour.

If you don't change your behaviour the test is irrelevant. It's not the testing process that is flawed. It's enforcing the isolation, the accurate provision of contact details. That's down to people.

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By *igh wide and handsomeMan
over a year ago

Dagenham

Does that pretty much sum it up?

But aren't you staying out the way already??

But if your socially distancing while working and shopping, and not been to pubs and restaurants, isn't that the essence of staying out the way??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When was this?

Late 70s.

I've been diabetic since 1970 and have never heard of, or indeed experienced this."

He maybe means type 2 diabetes .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm sick of arguing about this, nobody I know wants to let this virus rip through society, nobody.

What people on my side of the fence are saying is that herd immunity is gonna beat a vaccine to the end goal anyhow and there's two ways we can go about it.

1 haphazard like right now which is killing the economy at the same time

2 managed by sheltering the vulnerable section of society the best we can while letting the virus take it's natural course through society while maintaining a workable economy for all of us.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We are going to have to learn to live with this virus. I think people are holding out a little too much hope on the vaccine being a magic bullet.

It’s all such new ground. The vulnerable and those around them will need to be careful for years.

Its going to take a long time for anything approaching normality.

Can you supply reasoning behind this statement?

Yes sir Patrick Vallance said it today and the chap whose name I forget said it over the weekend when they were showing the vaccines on the production line.

Most vaccine companies are urging caution. "

I find it strange that at the same time as the vaccine is being dismissed as a solution, governments are fighting over who gets it first. There are around 40 different developments currently taking place with more money being thrown at this than any other medical development and yet we are pessimistic.

Won't we all loom stupid if by July next year Covid-19 is a thing of the past?

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"We are going to have to learn to live with this virus. I think people are holding out a little too much hope on the vaccine being a magic bullet.

It’s all such new ground. The vulnerable and those around them will need to be careful for years.

Its going to take a long time for anything approaching normality.

Can you supply reasoning behind this statement?

Yes sir Patrick Vallance said it today and the chap whose name I forget said it over the weekend when they were showing the vaccines on the production line.

Most vaccine companies are urging caution.

Won't we all loom stupid if by July next year Covid-19 is a thing of the past?"

I’m not dismissing it as a solution but it’s not going to make it disappear overnight. We need to be realistic with our expectations. We can throw the kitchen sink at it but evaluation time is needed because of the unknown quantity of the virus.

Money and resources can’t buy time.

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By *ucianpoundCouple
over a year ago

Cap d’Agde, France

At the beginning of 1996 our family went down with the Flu, it was a dreadful time and it was six weeks before we were all fit again.

Non of us have been ill with the Flu since.

This virus is not the flu but we and 6 other friends all tested positive during August in Cap D’Agde.

Mostly, we all had a few rough days but no where near our 1996 experience.

With only 7 recorded cases of folks having the virus twice we all now feel a certain immunity and feel that having had, and surviving, Covid is as good as a vaccine will ever be.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"At the beginning of 1996 our family went down with the Flu, it was a dreadful time and it was six weeks before we were all fit again.

Non of us have been ill with the Flu since.

This virus is not the flu but we and 6 other friends all tested positive during August in Cap D’Agde.

Mostly, we all had a few rough days but no where near our 1996 experience.

With only 7 recorded cases of folks having the virus twice we all now feel a certain immunity and feel that having had, and surviving, Covid is as good as a vaccine will ever be.

But..not everyone will.survive covid?

And cant you catch the flu more than once?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"At the beginning of 1996 our family went down with the Flu, it was a dreadful time and it was six weeks before we were all fit again.

Non of us have been ill with the Flu since.

This virus is not the flu but we and 6 other friends all tested positive during August in Cap D’Agde.

Mostly, we all had a few rough days but no where near our 1996 experience.

With only 7 recorded cases of folks having the virus twice we all now feel a certain immunity and feel that having had, and surviving, Covid is as good as a vaccine will ever be.

But..not everyone will.survive covid?

And cant you catch the flu more than once?"

Every single virus is catchable more than once if you apply outliers, it's a true statement.

However the risk of you catching a particular virus twice is extremely remote in most cases as is with this one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The crude reality which so many are refusing to accept is that we need to move on.

Totally agree.. this is just a natural circle of life that we have to do our best to deal with but to keep going under lockdown it puts far greater strain on everyone and everything else for the sake of saving an extremely low percentage of ppl. Businesses shut down, national and global economy gone to hell.. general quality of life is and will continue to drop for the masses. Being pro-life has serious deminishing effects on so many others. Being pro-humanity is far more logical and a safer route to take. Ive had so many ppl attack me for having this opinion on the entire situation.. but honestly.. i wonder how long they can keep up this way of life before their way of life get ground down to the point they completely lose their shit too

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By *ucianpoundCouple
over a year ago

Cap d’Agde, France

"At the beginning of 1996 our family went down with the Flu, it was a dreadful time and it was six weeks before we were all fit again.

Non of us have been ill with the Flu since.

This virus is not the flu but we and 6 other friends all tested positive during August in Cap D’Agde.

Mostly, we all had a few rough days but no where near our 1996 experience.

With only 7 recorded cases of folks having the virus twice we all now feel a certain immunity and feel that having had, and surviving, Covid is as good as a vaccine will ever be.

But..not everyone will.survive covid?

And cant you catch the flu more than once?"

Yes, of course this is a particularly nasty virus but the survival rates are 98% plus.

There are as yet no vaccines for a host of deadly diseases including HIV and even the flu jab only protects you a few months.

Pinning your hopes on a miraculous vaccine might prove a very long away hope!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We are going to have to learn to live with this virus. I think people are holding out a little too much hope on the vaccine being a magic bullet.

It’s all such new ground. The vulnerable and those around them will need to be careful for years.

Its going to take a long time for anything approaching normality.

Can you supply reasoning behind this statement?

Yes sir Patrick Vallance said it today and the chap whose name I forget said it over the weekend when they were showing the vaccines on the production line.

Most vaccine companies are urging caution.

Won't we all loom stupid if by July next year Covid-19 is a thing of the past?

Money and resources can’t buy time. "

I think somewhere between the two extremes of it being a futile effort and it being an overnight cure, lies the reality that things will start to get better as the vaccine is rolled out.

I find it strange that so many of the supporters of herd immunity are negative about the vaccine when both methods are derived from the same principles.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We are going to have to learn to live with this virus. I think people are holding out a little too much hope on the vaccine being a magic bullet.

It’s all such new ground. The vulnerable and those around them will need to be careful for years.

Its going to take a long time for anything approaching normality.

Can you supply reasoning behind this statement?

Yes sir Patrick Vallance said it today and the chap whose name I forget said it over the weekend when they were showing the vaccines on the production line.

Most vaccine companies are urging caution.

Won't we all loom stupid if by July next year Covid-19 is a thing of the past?

Money and resources can’t buy time.

I think somewhere between the two extremes of it being a futile effort and it being an overnight cure, lies the reality that things will start to get better as the vaccine is rolled out.

I find it strange that so many of the supporters of herd immunity are negative about the vaccine when both methods are derived from the same principles. "

Antibody rich blood plasma will be the way forward. Sucking on the blood of the infected.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"At the beginning of 1996 our family went down with the Flu, it was a dreadful time and it was six weeks before we were all fit again.

Non of us have been ill with the Flu since.

This virus is not the flu but we and 6 other friends all tested positive during August in Cap D’Agde.

Mostly, we all had a few rough days but no where near our 1996 experience.

With only 7 recorded cases of folks having the virus twice we all now feel a certain immunity and feel that having had, and surviving, Covid is as good as a vaccine will ever be.

But..not everyone will.survive covid?

And cant you catch the flu more than once?

Yes, of course this is a particularly nasty virus but the survival rates are 98% plus.

There are as yet no vaccines for a host of deadly diseases including HIV and even the flu jab only protects you a few months.

Pinning your hopes on a miraculous vaccine might prove a very long away hope!"

Why would this vaccine be "miraculous". Many other ailments have been cured with vaccines.

By the way it isn't a single vaccine. There are some 40 separate developments taking place around the world. The chances of none of them working is remote.

Our biggest danger lies in the virus mutating into something worse.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"We are going to have to learn to live with this virus. I think people are holding out a little too much hope on the vaccine being a magic bullet.

It’s all such new ground. The vulnerable and those around them will need to be careful for years.

Its going to take a long time for anything approaching normality.

Can you supply reasoning behind this statement?

Yes sir Patrick Vallance said it today and the chap whose name I forget said it over the weekend when they were showing the vaccines on the production line.

Most vaccine companies are urging caution.

Won't we all loom stupid if by July next year Covid-19 is a thing of the past?

Money and resources can’t buy time.

I think somewhere between the two extremes of it being a futile effort and it being an overnight cure, lies the reality that things will start to get better as the vaccine is rolled out.

I find it strange that so many of the supporters of herd immunity are negative about the vaccine when both methods are derived from the same principles. "

I’m not a supporter of herd immunity. I’m a supporter of taking the measures we have already such as distancing, mask wearing and even the basics of hand washing. Then a vaccine.

But we need to be realistic. The virus isn’t going to disappear overnight because of the vaccine. And sadly a lot more people will die.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We are going to have to learn to live with this virus. I think people are holding out a little too much hope on the vaccine being a magic bullet.

It’s all such new ground. The vulnerable and those around them will need to be careful for years.

Its going to take a long time for anything approaching normality.

Can you supply reasoning behind this statement?

Yes sir Patrick Vallance said it today and the chap whose name I forget said it over the weekend when they were showing the vaccines on the production line.

Most vaccine companies are urging caution.

Won't we all loom stupid if by July next year Covid-19 is a thing of the past?

Money and resources can’t buy time.

I think somewhere between the two extremes of it being a futile effort and it being an overnight cure, lies the reality that things will start to get better as the vaccine is rolled out.

I find it strange that so many of the supporters of herd immunity are negative about the vaccine when both methods are derived from the same principles. "

I'm not negative on vaccines I just can't see a reliable one being rolled out to enough people before this virus already does what it was going to do anyway.

In a long term solution it's going to be good, in a short term one I think we'll be up shit creek with the vaccination centre on fire long before it gets good enough to be a solution.

In an ideal perfect world we shouldn't have to make choices like this but sadly it isn't and we do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We are going to have to learn to live with this virus. I think people are holding out a little too much hope on the vaccine being a magic bullet.

It’s all such new ground. The vulnerable and those around them will need to be careful for years.

Its going to take a long time for anything approaching normality.

Can you supply reasoning behind this statement?

Yes sir Patrick Vallance said it today and the chap whose name I forget said it over the weekend when they were showing the vaccines on the production line.

Most vaccine companies are urging caution.

Won't we all loom stupid if by July next year Covid-19 is a thing of the past?

Money and resources can’t buy time.

I think somewhere between the two extremes of it being a futile effort and it being an overnight cure, lies the reality that things will start to get better as the vaccine is rolled out.

I find it strange that so many of the supporters of herd immunity are negative about the vaccine when both methods are derived from the same principles.

Antibody rich blood plasma will be the way forward. Sucking on the blood of the infected. "

Epitaph:

Survived Covid-19. Died of hepatitis.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We are going to have to learn to live with this virus. I think people are holding out a little too much hope on the vaccine being a magic bullet.

It’s all such new ground. The vulnerable and those around them will need to be careful for years.

Its going to take a long time for anything approaching normality.

Can you supply reasoning behind this statement?

Yes sir Patrick Vallance said it today and the chap whose name I forget said it over the weekend when they were showing the vaccines on the production line.

Most vaccine companies are urging caution.

Won't we all loom stupid if by July next year Covid-19 is a thing of the past?

Money and resources can’t buy time.

I think somewhere between the two extremes of it being a futile effort and it being an overnight cure, lies the reality that things will start to get better as the vaccine is rolled out.

I find it strange that so many of the supporters of herd immunity are negative about the vaccine when both methods are derived from the same principles.

I'm not negative on vaccines I just can't see a reliable one being rolled out to enough people before this virus already does what it was going to do anyway.

In a long term solution it's going to be good, in a short term one I think we'll be up shit creek with the vaccination centre on fire long before it gets good enough to be a solution.

In an ideal perfect world we shouldn't have to make choices like this but sadly it isn't and we do."

By the time the vaccine is given the green light we should have manufactured about 2 billion doses. So it's going to be a matter of how fast we can roll it out.

But from the day it starts the chances of getting it from the person next to you diminishes.

No one is saying it will be an overnight cure. I don't know why everything has to be taken to extremes.

I did a calculation on another thread with the data available at the time and showed how it would take 37 years for us to achieve herd immunity. Of course that assumed linear progression. Exponential progression implied a horrific death toll.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We are going to have to learn to live with this virus. I think people are holding out a little too much hope on the vaccine being a magic bullet.

It’s all such new ground. The vulnerable and those around them will need to be careful for years.

Its going to take a long time for anything approaching normality.

Can you supply reasoning behind this statement?

Yes sir Patrick Vallance said it today and the chap whose name I forget said it over the weekend when they were showing the vaccines on the production line.

Most vaccine companies are urging caution.

Won't we all loom stupid if by July next year Covid-19 is a thing of the past?

Money and resources can’t buy time.

I think somewhere between the two extremes of it being a futile effort and it being an overnight cure, lies the reality that things will start to get better as the vaccine is rolled out.

I find it strange that so many of the supporters of herd immunity are negative about the vaccine when both methods are derived from the same principles.

I’m not a supporter of herd immunity. I’m a supporter of taking the measures we have already such as distancing, mask wearing and even the basics of hand washing. Then a vaccine.

But we need to be realistic. The virus isn’t going to disappear overnight because of the vaccine. And sadly a lot more people will die. "

I'm with you there. I'm currently in Gran Canaria where the virus is headed in a different direction. The numbers are down to the 20's per 100 000. Bars are extending their hours etc.

Why?

Because people are doing what needs to be done. Those that don't can get a huge fine. When everyone gets on board the virus is screwed. It relies on the selfish to survive.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"I've read 'vulnerable ' so many times in here, how is it worked out?

What is vulnerable actually and given how I've never seen anything to suggest that 40% of the population is likely to die from covid, how that figure is now coming up?

There could be 40% of our population considered medically vulnerable but that doesn't automatically mean they will become seriously ill or even show any symptoms of covid.

There is precedent that people at risk medically speaking, shield or avoid various things (heart and lung transplant patient being kept in semi isolation as an eg)

Why assume that it's people that want to get sex or go to the pub are the only people that are open to considering all options?

Why can't we all pull together and give anyone that wants to keep themselves safe, work from home and those that feel the economy needs emergency help, to go out and work /help re-engage the economy?

It's not one or the other.

It's disgraceful that our nhs is so understaffed and under resourced that every year they struggle with flu patients.

It's disgraceful that we didn't get testing properly back in March and that we still are not testing enough now, months on

Good points. The estimate of the vulnerable was increased from 25% to about 40% of the population. The elderly are a core part, as are those with recognised traits leaving them vulnerable - this includes what would become comorbidities after getting infected, the BAME populations and others.

Imposing segregation onto ethnic minorities here would be viewed as a repeat of apartheid from the past.

I'm inclined to think that a 2 tier society, 1 group living as they wish, spreading infection amongst themselves and indirectly to the 2nd group, who get imposed lockdown, wouldn't be an acceptable choice for society, as much as some may want it.