FabSwingers.com forum: So Starmers Plan is a National Lockdown

By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

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Wot? Nobody has an opinion? National Lockdown?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Wot? Nobody has an opinion? National Lockdown? "

3 weeks..I think that's where are heading for anyway and that's what sage seems to be pushing for?

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

Wot? Nobody has an opinion? National Lockdown? "

It won't work as a control measure or as a prevention measure in anymore than the very short term.

Use of Lockdown as a primary control measure has been warned against by WHO prominent scientists.

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By *atricia ParnelWoman
over a year ago

In a town full of colours

Wot? Nobody has an opinion? National Lockdown? "

National social lockdown or national stay at home lockdown

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club Stoke

Wot? Nobody has an opinion? National Lockdown?

3 weeks..I think that's where are heading for anyway and that's what sage seems to be pushing for?

So do you support a National 3 Week Lockdown?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think another full lockdown will damage what is left of the economy too much and will mean so many more people will loose there jobs, the repercussions will be with us for years, I think we need to find something else other than a full lockdown to get out of this mess.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wot? Nobody has an opinion? National Lockdown? "

People wanted him to have a plan, this is it, don’t worry, Boris will just ignore it

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

personally i think local ones are better for the country but you are always going to have people who will not obey the rules because they dont apply to everyone.

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By *D835Man
over a year ago

London

Wot? Nobody has an opinion? National Lockdown?

It won't work as a control measure or as a prevention measure in anymore than the very short term.

Use of Lockdown as a primary control measure has been warned against by WHO prominent scientists."

It won’t be considered as a primary control measure if it’s a 2-3 week lockdown.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Wot? Nobody has an opinion? National Lockdown?

3 weeks..I think that's where are heading for anyway and that's what sage seems to be pushing for?

So do you support a National 3 Week Lockdown?"

Dunno.

I think these partial lockdown s are pointless and if that's what the sage experts are saying?

But where are we gonna be in 3 weeks?

Fed up with it tbh.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This link is rather useful in talking about what the WHO said in context:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2020/10/13/who-warning-about-covid-19-coronavirus-lockdowns-is-taken-out-of-context/#61b73deb158c

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wot? Nobody has an opinion? National Lockdown?

3 weeks..I think that's where are heading for anyway and that's what sage seems to be pushing for?

So do you support a National 3 Week Lockdown?"

3 month on full furlough yes.

3 weeks on 66% no.

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By *D835Man
over a year ago

London

Wot? Nobody has an opinion? National Lockdown?

People wanted him to have a plan, this is it, don’t worry, Boris will just ignore it "

Indeed Boris will ignore it.

Politics aside, the three-tier approach announced yesterday gives us a good balance between public health and the economy. I think that approach should suffice for now.

A full lockdown would be necessary only if things get a lot worse than what we are currently experiencing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wot? Nobody has an opinion? National Lockdown?

People wanted him to have a plan, this is it, don’t worry, Boris will just ignore it

Indeed Boris will ignore it.

Politics aside, the three-tier approach announced yesterday gives us a good balance between public health and the economy. I think that approach should suffice for now.

A full lockdown would be necessary only if things get a lot worse than what we are currently experiencing. "

True, if we all follow the advice and the Covidiots are punished and shamed things should get better, if not, it will be back to a national lockdown

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

Wot? Nobody has an opinion? National Lockdown?

3 weeks..I think that's where are heading for anyway and that's what sage seems to be pushing for?

So do you support a National 3 Week Lockdown?

Dunno.

I think these partial lockdown s are pointless and if that's what the sage experts are saying?

But where are we gonna be in 3 weeks?

Fed up with it tbh."
Your lucky mate yours is now if you can get it under control, some will be in tier 3 around christmas

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wot? Nobody has an opinion? National Lockdown?

People wanted him to have a plan, this is it, don’t worry, Boris will just ignore it

Indeed Boris will ignore it.

Politics aside, the three-tier approach announced yesterday gives us a good balance between public health and the economy. I think that approach should suffice for now.

A full lockdown would be necessary only if things get a lot worse than what we are currently experiencing.

True, if we all follow the advice and the Covidiots are punished and shamed things should get better, if not, it will be back to a national lockdown "

I hope they work. The fact that 19 of the 20 northern areas that have been under restrictions for several weeks saw their numbers continue to grow doesn’t bode well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would make halloween very interesting. Could be genuinely quite scary on some estates.

part of me thinks if 3 months wasn't long enough how will 2/3 weeks.

Iam very aware that staying at home is not easy for a lot of people or society in general.

i like Kier and this is bold but im very undecided. At some point life must continue, with a mask and washing hands and taking care of the vulnerable. I do feel herd immunity, at some point must come into play. Thank God om not a student anymore thio. locked up like rats.

i work on testing sites... looks like i might be busy. But psychologically, emotionally, financially it's going to very very hard.

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By *ed VoluptaWoman
over a year ago

Wirral.

Wot? Nobody has an opinion? National Lockdown?

3 weeks..I think that's where are heading for anyway and that's what sage seems to be pushing for?

So do you support a National 3 Week Lockdown?

Dunno.

I think these partial lockdown s are pointless and if that's what the sage experts are saying?

But where are we gonna be in 3 weeks?

Fed up with it tbh.Your lucky mate yours is now if you can get it under control, some will be in tier 3 around christmas "

But no-one is paying a blind bit of notice around here! Lockdown for Xmas, I reckon

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club Stoke

Wot? Nobody has an opinion? National Lockdown?

3 weeks..I think that's where are heading for anyway and that

's what sage seems to be pushing for?

So do you support a National 3 Week Lockdown?

Dunno.

I think these partial lockdown s are pointless and if that's what the sage experts are saying?

But where are we gonna be in 3 weeks?

Fed up with it tbh."

With ya' Lionel. It's really just so difficult listening to the experts while at the same time trying to balance the economy don't you think?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wot? Nobody has an opinion? National Lockdown?

3 weeks..I think that's where are heading for anyway and that's what sage seems to be pushing for?

So do you support a National 3 Week Lockdown?

3 month on full furlough yes.

3 weeks on 66% no."

bang on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It didn't work the first time round

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It didn't work the first time round"

Really?

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

Wot? Nobody has an opinion? National Lockdown?

It won't work as a control measure or as a prevention measure in anymore than the very short term.

Use of Lockdown as a primary control measure has been warned against by WHO prominent scientists."

Primary control methods are easy for those with a double digit IQ but unfortunately .......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It didn't work the first time round"

Last time they hoped to push it into the summer months which it did to a degree. Pushing it into winter months might not be such a good idea.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's a couple of people on here should sort this pandemic out, as they seem to know everything

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There's a couple of people on here should sort this pandemic out, as they seem to know everything"

I knew you were gonna say that.

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By *lowhands7Man
over a year ago

South Leicestershire / Burton on Trent

Starmer is now demanding everything he was having a go about three weeks ago. Hippocrite

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Starmer is now demanding everything he was having a go about three weeks ago. Hippocrite"

What was he having a go about?

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By *avid ElliottCouple
over a year ago

West Worthing

A stay at home lockdown I think we now need or try it initially in a high virus city initially?

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By *layfull pairingCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

Closing down a coffee shop in Devon for example where there are bugger all cases, because a town 150 miles away has a spike in cases, just seems daft to me.. I admit I ain’t the brightest but even I can see that’s just putting people out of a job for no real reason... or costing a fortune more in furlough payments... localised action seems the better option..

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By *lowhands7Man
over a year ago

South Leicestershire / Burton on Trent

Being too heavy handed and not costing the plan

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By *andy 1Couple
over a year ago

northeast

"There's a couple of people on here should sort this pandemic out, as they seem to know everything"

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

Doesn’t matter what they do if they keep schools open it won’t make a blind bit of difference

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Closing down a coffee shop in Devon for example where there are bugger all cases, because a town 150 miles away has a spike in cases, just seems daft to me.. I admit I ain’t the brightest but even I can see that’s just putting people out of a job for no real reason... or costing a fortune more in furlough payments... localised action seems the better option.. "

that could be an option.

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By *avid ElliottCouple
over a year ago

West Worthing

Wot? Nobody has an opinion? National Lockdown?

People wanted him to have a plan, this is it, don’t worry, Boris will just ignore it

Indeed Boris will ignore it.

Politics aside, the three-tier approach announced yesterday gives us a good balance between public health and the economy. I think that approach should suffice for now.

A full lockdown would be necessary only if things get a lot worse than what we are currently experiencing.

True, if we all follow the advice and the Covidiots are punished and shamed things should get better, if not, it will be back to a national lockdown "

The trouble is the covidiots atecnot being hit hard enough with fines and sanctions. They feel no shame either

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

I don't see how a "circuit breaker" lockdown will have any positive effect unless they plan to close ALL Schools, university's and most places of employment seeing as how these seem to be the main infection hotspots?

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By *D835Man
over a year ago

London

True word

And that’s why I said above that the three-tier approach announced yesterday is more appropriate and should suffice for now.

But if that approach doesn’t work.......

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Starmer is now demanding everything he was having a go about three weeks ago. Hippocrite"

How can he have a go at something that hasn't happened?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Doesn’t matter what they do if they keep schools open it won’t make a blind bit of difference "

I think he is suggesting doing it over half term?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I don't see how a "circuit breaker" lockdown will have any positive effect unless they plan to close ALL Schools, university's and most places of employment seeing as how these seem to be the main infection hotspots?"

The universities shouldn't have went back.

Sage are advocating a 3 week lockdown

The gmnt have just implemented a 3 tier system and Hancock has been on saying they are following the science.

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club Stoke

"Dunno.

I think these partial lockdown s are pointless and if that's what the sage experts are saying?

But where are we gonna be in 3 weeks?

Fed up with it tbh." "

The question is still here Lionel . . .

I said . . . With ya' Lionel. It's really just so difficult listening to the experts while at the same time trying to balance the economy don't you think?

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By *lan157Man
over a year ago

a village near Haywards Heath in East Sussex

"Would make halloween very interesting. Could be genuinely quite scary on some estates.

part of me thinks if 3 months wasn't long enough how will 2/3 weeks.

Iam very aware that staying at home is not easy for a lot of people or society in general.

i work on testing sites... looks like i might be busy. But psychologically, emotionally, financially it's going to very very hard.

Hasn't Halloween been cancelled yet ? Surely they need to do it now and give early warning.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A national lockdown for at least 6 months is needed.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Dunno.

I think these partial lockdown s are pointless and if that's what the sage experts are saying?

But where are we gonna be in 3 weeks?

Fed up with it tbh."

The question is still here Lionel . . .

I said . . . With ya' Lionel. It's really just so difficult listening to the experts while at the same time trying to balance the economy don't you think?

If that's what they pushing off..and they think it will have an impact..I don't think we will have much choice.

Clearly the current plan Is not going to work so it makes more sense to take the hit now than have a few months of tiers, then go into lockdown.

They waited too long last time.

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club Stoke

"Dunno.

I think these partial lockdown s are pointless and if that's what the sage experts are saying?

But where are we gonna be in 3 weeks?

Fed up with it tbh."

The question is still here Lionel . . .

I said . . . With ya' Lionel. It's really just so difficult listening to the experts while at the same time trying to balance the economy don't you think?

If that's what they pushing off..and they think it will have an impact..I don't think we will have much choice.

Clearly the current plan Is not going to work so it makes more sense to take the hit now than have a few months of tiers, then go into lockdown.

They waited too long last time."

Just the same as Boris's plan then. Protect People. Protect the Economy. Best Balance.

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

"Doesn’t matter what they do if they keep schools open it won’t make a blind bit of difference

I think he is suggesting doing it over half term?"

Half terms are all at different times ...

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club Stoke

And Lionel. I might just add. I actually really don't give a Fig about Boris or the Tory Party.

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club Stoke

"Doesn’t matter what they do if they keep schools open it won’t make a blind bit of difference

I think he is suggesting doing it over half term?

Half terms are all at different times ... "

Ya' think he would know that wouldn't you?

Catholic have always been early to finish - Early to go back.

Private have a wide gamut of terms.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It's what I've believed that we should have since the numbers started to rocket. It's probably the only way to make a massive difference before winter comes.

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By *lan157Man
over a year ago

a village near Haywards Heath in East Sussex

"Doesn’t matter what they do if they keep schools open it won’t make a blind bit of difference

I think he is suggesting doing it over half term?

Half terms are all at different times ... "

He probably means the half term for independent schools . I think they have 2 weeks in October.

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By *ensual 2Couple
over a year ago

Blackpool

Localised lock downs post codes etc need to happen sooner or later ....why should folk in Devon be closed up when its bad in Nottingham /Liverpool etc ..no sense to all this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i suppose they could lock everything down when the kids break up for xmas.

whats that 2 weeks over the holiday season?

still, will be depressing time and what is usually meant to be a happy family one

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A 6 months to a year national lockdown with 100% furlough.

Doesn't matter if it increases our national debt as that will never be paid back.

With debts, if you owe 5 grand you'll get hounded till you pay it. If the debt is 5 trillion it never gets paid back.

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By *lan157Man
over a year ago

a village near Haywards Heath in East Sussex

"A 6 months to a year national lockdown with 100% furlough.

Doesn't matter if it increases our national debt as that will never be paid back.

With debts, if you owe 5 grand you'll get hounded till you pay it. If the debt is 5 trillion it never gets paid back."

But interest has to be paid on it.. .Forever

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

"Doesn’t matter what they do if they keep schools open it won’t make a blind bit of difference

I think he is suggesting doing it over half term?

Half terms are all at different times ...

He probably means the half term for independent schools . I think they have 2 weeks in October. "

That wouldn’t be the state schools pattern and most in my county anyway have one week .... again not thought through.

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By *ensual 2Couple
over a year ago

Blackpool

"i suppose they could lock everything down when the kids break up for xmas.

whats that 2 weeks over the holiday season?

still, will be depressing time and what is usually meant to be a happy family one"
Can you imagine all the students returning home from all over at Christmas ..& the infection rates January ...think Boris has lost the plot

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

"i suppose they could lock everything down when the kids break up for xmas.

whats that 2 weeks over the holiday season?

still, will be depressing time and what is usually meant to be a happy family one"

Would actually make sense tbh food shops open wouldn’t kill people not to shop and a fair chunk of people have some amount of time off - although some sectors make all their annual profit during this period so would be devastating

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By *atch and blossomCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

Calling people Covidiot and blaming sectors of society etc is just falling into the false othering narrative.

A full lockdown was planned for October. The second wave was planned for. The issues are multiple. Combine the lack of trust in the government, weariness with COVID, acceptance of risk and the devastating impact on the economy (plus Brexit looming) equals perfect storm.

Most transmissions currently are amongst those in education...the young fit and healthy. The people who we need to keep the country going and those who will potentially riot if they are pushed into the abyss next year. Think the 1980s plus social media.

We have governance and policing by consent. Consent is waning.

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By *uliaChrisCouple
over a year ago

westerham

Wot? Nobody has an opinion? National Lockdown?

3 weeks..I think that's where are heading for anyway and that's what sage seems to be pushing for?

So do you support a National 3 Week Lockdown?

Dunno.

I think these partial lockdown s are pointless and if that's what the sage experts are saying?

But where are we gonna be in 3 weeks?

Fed up with it tbh."

Lionel, blimey, I actually agree with you for once. Starmer sounded a bit like Boris and Matthew etc - must be seen to be doing something.

Current buzzword circuit breaker. Preposterous.

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By *j48Man
over a year ago

Wigan

It doesn't make a jot of difference in the long term.. Soon after any full or partial lockdown or people, it'll be back..

May as well just go for it and return to normal as this approach obviously doesn't work and there's no viable alternative..

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By *ove2lickJemWoman
over a year ago

LIVERPOOL

"Doesn’t matter what they do if they keep schools open it won’t make a blind bit of difference

I think he is suggesting doing it over half term?

Half terms are all at different times ...

He probably means the half term for independent schools . I think they have 2 weeks in October. "

I think the sensible view I heard a few weeks ago was they'd lockdown half term week (25th) and do the week after as that would encompass halloween and bonfire night to prevent gatherings for them too.

So as it's the sensible, logical option we can rule that out!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All I can say is we were at least two weeks late in going into a lockdown in March. Seems to me a circuit breaker is needed now and we will need a further one straight after Christmas...with a further one in march again.

Things have changed worldwide and all economies will have to adapt to the changes until a solution is found.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Cutting back on the rate of escalation before the toughest season is wise.

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By *atch and blossomCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

Lockdown equals suppression. This will be with us for years.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Wot? Nobody has an opinion? National Lockdown?

People wanted him to have a plan, this is it, don’t worry, Boris will just ignore it

Indeed Boris will ignore it.

Politics aside, the three-tier approach announced yesterday gives us a good balance between public health and the economy. I think that approach should suffice for now.

only if it is applies the same across the country... because at the moment you have got people in liverpool for example looking at people in nottingham and asking "why are they not in tier 3 and we are?"... you have got most of the north looking at london asking "why are they in tier 1 and we are in tier 2?"

it needs to be consistant with well defined parameters, so that people know and people don't argue! this is just way too divisive at the moment....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Absolutely insane, taking away our liberty and taking our rights away. I hate to say it but I agree with trump, enough is enough, let the virus go for it. Protect the vulnerable and elderly completely, this insanity must end.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Absolutely insane, taking away our liberty and taking our rights away. I hate to say it but I agree with trump, enough is enough, let the virus go for it. Protect the vulnerable and elderly completely, this insanity must end. "

How can the vulnerable and elderly be protected if the majority of society is suffering from covid?

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've become aware of public opinion, this country is finished, I suggest those that can should start to organise their affairs or try to make plans to leave, when the end comes it will rapidly deteriorate and won't be pleasant.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Dunno.

I think these partial lockdown s are pointless and if that's what the sage experts are saying?

But where are we gonna be in 3 weeks?

Fed up with it tbh."

The question is still here Lionel . . .

I said . . . With ya' Lionel. It's really just so difficult listening to the experts while at the same time trying to balance the economy don't you think?

If that's what they pushing off..and they think it will have an impact..I don't think we will have much choice.

Clearly the current plan Is not going to work so it makes more sense to take the hit now than have a few months of tiers, then go into lockdown.

They waited too long last time.

Just the same as Boris's plan then. Protect People. Protect the Economy. Best Balance.

Ha ha .no not really.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"And Lionel. I might just add. I actually really don't give a Fig about Boris or the Tory Party.

Lies

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club Stoke

"Dunno.

I think these partial lockdown s are pointless and if that's what the sage experts are saying?

But where are we gonna be in 3 weeks?

Fed up with it tbh."

The question is still here Lionel . . .

I said . . . With ya' Lionel. It's really just so difficult listening to the experts while at the same time trying to balance the economy don't you think?

If that's what they pushing off..and they think it will have an impact..I don't think we will have much choice.

Clearly the current plan Is not going to work so it makes more sense to take the hit now than have a few months of tiers, then go into lockdown.

They waited too long last time.

Just the same as Boris's plan then. Protect People. Protect the Economy. Best Balance.

Ha ha .no not really."

Ohh how so then? How is it not the same?

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club Stoke

"And Lionel. I might just add. I actually really don't give a Fig about Boris or the Tory Party.

Lies

Oh wounded to the core - that was like an arrow to my heart lmfao.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Doesn’t matter what they do if they keep schools open it won’t make a blind bit of difference

I think he is suggesting doing it over half term?

Half terms are all at different times ... "

So maybe that's where the 3 weeks comes on so they dont all miss the 3 weeks?

I dunno.

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club Stoke

So Starmer says:

Boris is having a circuit-breaker - Starmer says that's not enough what we REALLY need is a circuit-breaker.

WTF!?

Is that a 15amp circuit breaker or a 30amp circuit breaker? Am I even in the right area of understanding?

Noooooooooooo! Starmer wants a 3 week circuit-breaker . . . Boris's is obviously too long co's he said his circuit-breaker could be 6 months !!!!

Yea. Wait. I get it now. A 3 week circuit-breaker - that's gotta' be better than a 6 month circuit-breaker. Right? !

I have understood ALL the Rules, so far! - but NOW I'm starting to get confused between Labours Plan and the Conservatives Plan?

Please elucidate ?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Localised lock downs post codes etc need to happen sooner or later ....why should folk in Devon be closed up when its bad in Nottingham /Liverpool etc ..no sense to all this

They are happening.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i suppose they could lock everything down when the kids break up for xmas.

whats that 2 weeks over the holiday season?

still, will be depressing time and what is usually meant to be a happy family oneCan you imagine all the students returning home from all over at Christmas ..& the infection rates January ...think Boris has lost the plot "

its all pretty depressing isnt it.

i only read about it here as ive turned off the news etc as none of it is positive

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By *amsungdelilaCouple
over a year ago

burton upon trent

Working at a school and seeing parents turn up with their children approx 200 parents and 5 wearing masks !!! If it takes a lockdown to eradicate the virus maybe people will start to see sense and wear a mask

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club Stoke

"Working at a school and seeing parents turn up with their children approx 200 parents and 5 wearing masks !!! If it takes a lockdown to eradicate the virus maybe people will start to see sense and wear a mask "

Jesus. Couldn't make it up. PEOPLE are the PROBLEM.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So Starmer says:

Boris is having a circuit-breaker - Starmer says that's not enough what we REALLY need is a circuit-breaker.

WTF!?

Is that a 15amp circuit breaker or a 30amp circuit breaker? Am I even in the right area of understanding?

Noooooooooooo! Starmer wants a 3 week circuit-breaker . . . Boris's is obviously too long co's he said his circuit-breaker could be 6 months !!!!

Yea. Wait. I get it now. A 3 week circuit-breaker - that's gotta' be better than a 6 month circuit-breaker. Right? !

I have understood ALL the Rules, so far! - but NOW I'm starting to get confused between Labours Plan and the Conservatives Plan?

Please elucidate ?

This is uncharted territory for all. Even the scientists seem to have confused views on the best way of dealing with the pandemic. The politicians are rabbits in headlights and lurch from one policy to another.

We need a concise 6 month plan that is clear and unambiguous that attaches financial support to those impacted so that we don’t injury individuals and businesses.

Alternatively let go and crack on with life.

We just need clarity.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Jesus. Couldn't make it up. PEOPLE are the PROBLEM.

Some people.

I've barely seen anyone without a mask.

At the gym everyone distances and cleans the equipment.

Just cos some people are morons doesnt mean everyone should be labelled.

I distinctly remember a few people whinging about lazy teachers and unions obstructing the gmnt.

Schools and universities have driven this

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club Stoke

"So Starmer says:

Boris is having a circuit-breaker - Starmer says that's not enough what we REALLY need is a circuit-breaker.

WTF!?

Is that a 15amp circuit breaker or a 30amp circuit breaker? Am I even in the right area of understanding?

Noooooooooooo! Starmer wants a 3 week circuit-breaker . . . Boris's is obviously too long co's he said his circuit-breaker could be 6 months !!!!

Yea. Wait. I get it now. A 3 week circuit-breaker - that's gotta' be better than a 6 month circuit-breaker. Right? !

I have understood ALL the Rules, so far! - but NOW I'm starting to get confused between Labours Plan and the Conservatives Plan?

Please elucidate ?

We need a concise 6 month plan that is clear and unambiguous that attaches financial support to those impacted so that we don’t injury individuals and businesses.

Alternatively let go and crack on with life.

We just need clarity."

Agreed. And take the Politics out and put the People in.

We ALL know what to do.

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

So if this circuit breaker happens, what happens after the three weeks are up?

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club Stoke

"So if this circuit breaker happens, what happens after the three weeks are up? "

We all get infected again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So Starmer says:

Boris is having a circuit-breaker - Starmer says that's not enough what we REALLY need is a circuit-breaker.

WTF!?

Is that a 15amp circuit breaker or a 30amp circuit breaker? Am I even in the right area of understanding?

Noooooooooooo! Starmer wants a 3 week circuit-breaker . . . Boris's is obviously too long co's he said his circuit-breaker could be 6 months !!!!

Yea. Wait. I get it now. A 3 week circuit-breaker - that's gotta' be better than a 6 month circuit-breaker. Right? !

I have understood ALL the Rules, so far! - but NOW I'm starting to get confused between Labours Plan and the Conservatives Plan?

Please elucidate ?

We need a concise 6 month plan that is clear and unambiguous that attaches financial support to those impacted so that we don’t injury individuals and businesses.

Alternatively let go and crack on with life.

We just need clarity.

Agreed. And take the Politics out and put the People in.

We ALL know what to do.

Which is?

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By *atch and blossomCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

There is naivety thinking this virus can be eradicated

We don't have vaccines for SERS, MERS, HIV. But there are treatments. This is the long haul. Lockdown will only stop surges. Not the virus itself

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club Stoke

"So Starmer says:

Boris is having a circuit-breaker - Starmer says that's not enough what we REALLY need is a circuit-breaker.

WTF!?

Is that a 15amp circuit breaker or a 30amp circuit breaker? Am I even in the right area of understanding?

Noooooooooooo! Starmer wants a 3 week circuit-breaker . . . Boris's is obviously too long co's he said his circuit-breaker could be 6 months !!!!

Yea. Wait. I get it now. A 3 week circuit-breaker - that's gotta' be better than a 6 month circuit-breaker. Right? !

I have understood ALL the Rules, so far! - but NOW I'm starting to get confused between Labours Plan and the Conservatives Plan?

Please elucidate ?

We need a concise 6 month plan that is clear and unambiguous that attaches financial support to those impacted so that we don’t injury individuals and businesses.

Alternatively let go and crack on with life.

We just need clarity.

Agreed. And take the Politics out and put the People in.

We ALL know what to do.

Which is?"

And therein lays the problem. People who don't know what to do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So Starmer says:

Boris is having a circuit-breaker - Starmer says that's not enough what we REALLY need is a circuit-breaker.

WTF!?

Is that a 15amp circuit breaker or a 30amp circuit breaker? Am I even in the right area of understanding?

Noooooooooooo! Starmer wants a 3 week circuit-breaker . . . Boris's is obviously too long co's he said his circuit-breaker could be 6 months !!!!

Yea. Wait. I get it now. A 3 week circuit-breaker - that's gotta' be better than a 6 month circuit-breaker. Right? !

I have understood ALL the Rules, so far! - but NOW I'm starting to get confused between Labours Plan and the Conservatives Plan?

Please elucidate ?

We need a concise 6 month plan that is clear and unambiguous that attaches financial support to those impacted so that we don’t injury individuals and businesses.

Alternatively let go and crack on with life.

We just need clarity.

Agreed. And take the Politics out and put the People in.

We ALL know what to do.

Which is?

And therein lays the problem. People who don't know what to do.

My question was rhetorical as in what would advocate?

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By *atch and blossomCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

There are views. We have to carry on. And those that need protection have it.

And stop accusing those from the right, left and central that believe this of effectively as being people who do not care.

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By *ensual 2Couple
over a year ago

Blackpool

"So if this circuit breaker happens, what happens after the three weeks are up?

We all get infected again.

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Boris has to play for time ..not knowing just how long its gonna be to get a vaccine ....circuit breakers only slow things down a v little..its something we have to manage ...and live with .....businesses /life must be able to move forward .....feel sorry for Boris whatever he decides he cant win..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wot? Nobody has an opinion? National Lockdown?

3 weeks..I think that's where are heading for anyway and that's what sage seems to be pushing for?

It'll do no good. It'll just come back out again. Pointless.

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By *D835Man
over a year ago

London

Wot? Nobody has an opinion? National Lockdown?

People wanted him to have a plan, this is it, don’t worry, Boris will just ignore it

Indeed Boris will ignore it.

Politics aside, the three-tier approach announced yesterday gives us a good balance between public health and the economy. I think that approach should suffice for now.

it needs to be consistant with well defined parameters, so that people know and people don't argue! this is just way too divisive at the moment...."

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By *D835Man
over a year ago

London

"So if this circuit breaker happens, what happens after the three weeks are up? "

After the three weeks are up, the circuit breaks

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

The gmnts cheerleader at the bbc already briefing against him.

Politically its probally a good move.

If we move into lockdown a month from now they will look even more inept.

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By *ebel Red HotWoman
over a year ago

York

The guy hasn't a clue its just a joke saying this and that when he doesn't have the power. Just like an armchair football manager.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"The guy hasn't a clue its just a joke saying this and that when he doesn't have the power. Just like an armchair football manager.

He was getting slated before for not coming up with suggestions.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"The guy hasn't a clue its just a joke saying this and that when he doesn't have the power. Just like an armchair football manager.

He was getting slated before for not coming up with suggestions. "

He should have stayed on the fence...

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

It's easy isn't it? If you're not in power, come up with a ridiculous plan you know the government won't go for, then in 6 months say "i told you so". Winner winner.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"It's easy isn't it? If you're not in power, come up with a ridiculous plan you know the government won't go for, then in 6 months say "i told you so". Winner winner. "

Yep a total lockdown seems totally unfeasible

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's easy isn't it? If you're not in power, come up with a ridiculous plan you know the government won't go for, then in 6 months say "i told you so". Winner winner.

Yep a total lockdown seems totally unfeasible

I think you're right, sad state of affairs but so many people are ignoring the basics that it is probably the only way forward...

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By *rsbrooksandjohnCouple
over a year ago

Swansea

Think any new lockdown would just prolonging the virus

As we can t stay in lockdown until there is zero cases in the world.If we had a new national lockdown and the possitive virus cases reduced once we came out the numbers would just start to rise once more.

Like having a nest of rats unless you get rid of them all they will breed again and your back to square one

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

We should just "go swedish".

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club Stoke

"We should just "go swedish"."

So meatballs and flat pack furniture is your answer?

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club Stoke

"It's easy isn't it? If you're not in power, come up with a ridiculous plan you know the government won't go for, then in 6 months say "i told you so". Winner winner.

Yep a total lockdown seems totally unfeasible

The one that Starmer is proposing you mean?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't worry about politicians there all completely inept morons who are on a jolly big loads of money massive pension ride.

I worry about people's attitudes, it's changed, the fear has set in, they spend all day watching BBC propaganda, this country is completely finished, you might escape the virus but you won't escape the economic misery that is about to beset you, that will come extremely quick one minute it seems normal, the next there's no food in the shops, from there the spiral is beyond imagination, the amount of wealthy people I know leaving this country is starting to worry me, it's like rats deserting the sinking ship.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"We should just "go swedish".

So meatballs and flat pack furniture is your answer?

Pop a bit of ABBA on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I look at this slightly incredulously because there are so many people that previously were posting lets go draconian, lets go......

Have you all had a collective head wobble and realised how futile this all is after all.

Hurrah...........

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"It's easy isn't it? If you're not in power, come up with a ridiculous plan you know the government won't go for, then in 6 months say "i told you so". Winner winner.

Yep a total lockdown seems totally unfeasible

The one that Starmer is proposing you mean?"

That's what he is suggesting.

A 3 week one.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I don't worry about politicians there all completely inept morons who are on a jolly big loads of money massive pension ride.

Economic misery you say?

Well that would be a 1st.

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club Stoke

"It's easy isn't it? If you're not in power, come up with a ridiculous plan you know the government won't go for, then in 6 months say "i told you so". Winner winner.

Yep a total lockdown seems totally unfeasible

The one that Starmer is proposing you mean?

That's what he is suggesting.

A 3 week one."

And that is better than any other current proposal because?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"It's easy isn't it? If you're not in power, come up with a ridiculous plan you know the government won't go for, then in 6 months say "i told you so". Winner winner.

Yep a total lockdown seems totally unfeasible

The one that Starmer is proposing you mean?

That's what he is suggesting.

A 3 week one.

And that is better than any other current proposal because?"

As people keep saying I'm no expert so I dont really know.

However the 'boffins 'have said the current plan is not going to work,so if they are right,and after a month we do go into full lockdown,well it's not going to look good is it?

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club Stoke

And you really think that Starmers 3 week break would make it better?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't worry about politicians there all completely inept morons who are on a jolly big loads of money massive pension ride.

Economic misery you say?

Well that would be a 1st."

You've no idea, your a 21st century never seen poverty in your life person.

Unfortunately for me I've got two elderly parents and a young dependent otherwise I'd be gone.

You don't control economic collapse, it free rolls and eventually the people beg to be saved and then if you've read enough history they beg to be saved from the original people they beg to be saved off.

Your just a pound shop Trotsky.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And you really think that Starmers 3 week break would make it better?"

Well if you drastically reduced people from mingling for 3 weeks what do you suggest the virus would do, continue spreading at the same rate?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"And you really think that Starmers 3 week break would make it better?"

I honestly dont know.

I'm not sure what a 3 month lockdown is meant to achieve?

Slow it down?

But I'm not convinced the current plans are great.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I don't worry about politicians there all completely inept morons who are on a jolly big loads of money massive pension ride.

Economic misery you say?

Well that would be a 1st.

You've no idea, your a 21st century never seen poverty in your life person.

Unfortunately for me I've got two elderly parents and a young dependent otherwise I'd be gone.

Your just a pound shop Trotsky."

Pound shop trotsky

Superb.

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club Stoke

We all have to admit that 3 months won't sort it - 3 weeks won't sort it.

Nobody but Nobody has a Plan A. There is only a Plan B (vaccine).

So we ALL need to start thinking like we actually even care about each other and think of all those damn simple ways in which we can help.

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

Pure psychology

Starmer knows Boris was considering a full lockdown and he knows it's not the answer so he suggests it knowing full well that now Boris cant possibly do it

A strategy I've used against many

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And you really think that Starmers 3 week break would make it better?

Well if you drastically reduced people from mingling for 3 weeks what do you suggest the virus would do, continue spreading at the same rate? "
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Well you could look at the evidence from many countries that tried full lockdowns to the countries that didn't, there's hardly a correlation, Brazil didn't but Peru and Chile did and there's practically no difference, Germany did France did Belgium did, Spain did, Sweden didn't, on the long scale there won't be much difference, if you really want to boil it down, those that vaccinated the highest for influenza in they're elderly are also the worst effected by covid, maybe we should just stop vaccinating the elderly!! Job done.

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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club Stoke

"And you really think that Starmers 3 week break would make it better?

Well if you drastically reduced people from mingling for 3 weeks what do you suggest the virus would do, continue spreading at the same rate? "

You need to catch up with the wider conversation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't worry about politicians there all completely inept morons who are on a jolly big loads of money massive pension ride.

Economic misery you say?

Well that would be a 1st.

You've no idea, your a 21st century never seen poverty in your life person.

Unfortunately for me I've got two elderly parents and a young dependent otherwise I'd be gone.

Your just a pound shop Trotsky.

Pound shop trotsky

Superb."
.

To be fair your not even worth a quid but five pence Trotsky didn't have the same roll of the tongue

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I don't worry about politicians there all completely inept morons who are on a jolly big loads of money massive pension ride.

Economic misery you say?

Well that would be a 1st.

You've no idea, your a 21st century never seen poverty in your life person.

Unfortunately for me I've got two elderly parents and a young dependent otherwise I'd be gone.

Your just a pound shop Trotsky.

Pound shop trotsky

Superb..

To be fair your not even worth a quid but five pence Trotsky didn't have the same roll of the tongue

Arf.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't worry about politicians there all completely inept morons who are on a jolly big loads of money massive pension ride.

We’re doomed then? , chin up, we have Brexit to look forward to

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't worry about politicians there all completely inept morons who are on a jolly big loads of money massive pension ride.

We’re doomed then? , chin up, we have Brexit to look forward to

Even the crazy guy with the sandwich board is right eventually.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wot? Nobody has an opinion? National Lockdown?

3 weeks..I think that's where are heading for anyway and that's what sage seems to be pushing for?

So do you support a National 3 Week Lockdown?

3 month on full furlough yes.

3 weeks on 66% no."

Country can’t afford 3 months on full furlough.

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By *ove2lickJemWoman
over a year ago

LIVERPOOL

Wot? Nobody has an opinion? National Lockdown?

3 weeks..I think that's where are heading for anyway and that's what sage seems to be pushing for?

So do you support a National 3 Week Lockdown?

3 month on full furlough yes.

3 weeks on 66% no.

Country can’t afford 3 months on full furlough. "

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3230630583726479&id=796085293847699 listen to this wondrous rant. They've done the maths and decided it's best to have everyone unemployed!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

3 weeks, 3 months.. makes no difference. As soon as it's over back will come covid and it all starts again.

Lockdowns & resrrictions are not the answer to this problem. Never have been, never will be.

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By *dam_TinaCouple
over a year ago

Hampshire

Hasn't Halloween been cancelled yet ? Surely they need to do it now and give early warning."

You want them to remove 31st October from the calendar ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"3 weeks, 3 months.. makes no difference. As soon as it's over back will come covid and it all starts again.

Lockdowns & resrrictions are not the answer to this problem. Never have been, never will be."

What is the answer?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wot? Nobody has an opinion? National Lockdown? "

I think in truth we’ll either take it soon or be forced to take it in 3-4 weeks anyway as numbers mount. There was a lot of logic in going early rather than to let cases rise prior to initiating it.

One thing we do know from bitter experience is infection rates can multiply quickly but getting them back down is slow and painful work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"3 weeks, 3 months.. makes no difference. As soon as it's over back will come covid and it all starts again.

Lockdowns & resrrictions are not the answer to this problem. Never have been, never will be."

Correct, they are just a brake to give the NHS breathing space... still needed though

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By *atricia ParnelWoman
over a year ago

In a town full of colours

"3 weeks, 3 months.. makes no difference. As soon as it's over back will come covid and it all starts again.

Lockdowns & resrrictions are not the answer to this problem. Never have been, never will be."

They were never supposed to be an answer, they are only supposed to be in place to slow it down so the nhs is not overwhelmed and can treat people with Covid-19 without having lots of people waiting in the hallways for beds again.

The science professionals working on testing and vaccine projects are the answer

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

To be fair, it isn't "Starmer's Plan". This is something that Sage and many scientists suggested several weeks ago. Starmer has just said that he supports the idea.

Cal

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By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland

Jesus. Couldn't make it up. PEOPLE are the PROBLEM.

Some people.

I've barely seen anyone without a mask.

At the gym everyone distances and cleans the equipment.

Just cos some people are morons doesnt mean everyone should be labelled.

I distinctly remember a few people whinging about lazy teachers and unions obstructing the gmnt.

Schools and universities have driven this "

Yesterday 701 children aged between 5 and 14 in England tested positive for covid. 462 of these were aged 10 to 14. Every 5 year age group above that up to 65-69 years had more cases with all but the 60-64 age group at least double.

What's the evidence that schools are driving this? Especially when some of the cases in children will be from the home environment or mixing with other households outside of school.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Ft reporting that two government scientific advisors are predicting a circuit break of two weeks will reduce death in January by between 29-45%, based on the current modelling..

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By *ettyboop61Woman
over a year ago

St Neots

"I don't worry about politicians there all completely inept morons who are on a jolly big loads of money massive pension ride.

We’re doomed then? , chin up, we have Brexit to look forward to

Even the crazy guy with the sandwich board is right eventually.

I remember him and yeh the end of the world nigh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ft reporting that two government scientific advisors are predicting a circuit break of two weeks will reduce death in January by between 29-45%, based on the current modelling.."

And what about February, March, April....

Short term gain, long term pain and the problem's still here.

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

"Ft reporting that two government scientific advisors are predicting a circuit break of two weeks will reduce death in January by between 29-45%, based on the current modelling.."

Is that the current modelling used by Ferguson, Witty and Vallance as their figures always come out wildly exaggerated?

Also saying that it would reduce deaths in January, would it not just shunt these into February instead?

If a "circuit break" was used, would it not be more effective in the colder months towards the peak of the flu season?

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By *uliaChrisCouple
over a year ago

westerham

Jesus. Couldn't make it up. PEOPLE are the PROBLEM.

Some people.

I've barely seen anyone without a mask.

At the gym everyone distances and cleans the equipment.

Just cos some people are morons doesnt mean everyone should be labelled.

I distinctly remember a few people whinging about lazy teachers and unions obstructing the gmnt.

Schools and universities have driven this

What's the evidence that schools are driving this? Especially when some of the cases in children will be from the home environment or mixing with other households outside of school.

I don’t agree with any more lockdowns, but just to answer on the figures, I would imagine the vast majority of school kids, if infected, particularly the youngest, are a symptomatic and not getting tested. I wouldn’t put much emphasis on the 701 figure you quote.

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By *arkus1812Man
over a year ago

Lifes departure lounge NN9 Northamptonshire East not West MidlandsMidlands

A 3 week national lockdown will be enough to tip an ailing economy from Recession into a Depression just in time for the arrival of the still undecided Brexit finale.

Not a good position to be in.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Ft reporting that two government scientific advisors are predicting a circuit break of two weeks will reduce death in January by between 29-45%, based on the current modelling..

Is that the current modelling used by Ferguson, Witty and Vallance as their figures always come out wildly exaggerated?

Also saying that it would reduce deaths in January, would it not just shunt these into February instead?

If a "circuit break" was used, would it not be more effective in the colder months towards the peak of the flu season?"

No two government scientific advisors, one sage and I don't recall the others position..

FT front page..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"A 3 week national lockdown will be enough to tip an ailing economy from Recession into a Depression just in time for the arrival of the still undecided Brexit finale.

Not a good position to be in."

The common sense thing to do is to put Brexit on hold, this virus has sort of put things in perspective..

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

We do have to balance the economy people obeying erules is better than lockdown increase fines imprison the idiots strong government is needed

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Chudleigh

"We do have to balance the economy people obeying erules is better than lockdown increase fines imprison the idiots strong government is needed"

I agree, put Cummings behind bars...

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By *otSoNewAnymoreMan
over a year ago

North East

"A 3 week national lockdown will be enough to tip an ailing economy from Recession into a Depression just in time for the arrival of the still undecided Brexit finale.

Not a good position to be in."

worse things happen at sea

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By *edbath 5Man
over a year ago

london

So no one will die when we unlock.

Sage is full of left wing activist and labour donors.

I sadly feel the knight is just trying to be anti government.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"So no one will die when we unlock.

Sage is full of left wing activist and labour donors.

I sadly feel the knight is just trying to be anti government. "

You have evidence of this?

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By *edbath 5Man
over a year ago

london

"So no one will die when we unlock.

Sage is full of left wing activist and labour donors.

I sadly feel the knight is just trying to be anti government.

You have evidence of this?"

If you mean SAGE. -

Chairman Dave King

Brown/Blair advisor.

Labour donor

Lots of refs in print and on TV slagging the "tories" especially Boris who seems to have dropped him from gov advisors roles when he became PM - surprise!

Prof gabriel Scally

Labour donor

Labour policy advisor

Labour activist

Prof Chris Pagel

Labour activist

Prof Allyson Pollock

Written a book on selling off NHS

President of socialist care Health association

Regulalry pops up on TV and in print attacking tories (loads of references)

Loves a bit of nationalisation

Proper socialist

Dr Zuba Haque

Writes for the fabian Society

Prof Susan Michie

Member of the communist party until Corbyn

Donated to corbyn

wife of Labour special advisor

Her mother was a Labour employee in HR or something, cant quite get to the bottom of what she did

oh - and every single one of them is Pro EU or rather anti Brexit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So no one will die when we unlock.

Sage is full of left wing activist and labour donors.

I sadly feel the knight is just trying to be anti government. "

Spot on - sick to death of the lefties trying to make political capital out of a virus. Stinks of desperation because we all know the Labour Party will never again (certainly in my lifetime) be fit to govern. It's too far infiltrated by communists.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Complete waste of time all of these lockdowns. It's a virus that has over a 99% survival rate for God sake.

Average age of people dying of Covid = 82.2

Average life expectancy UK = 81.1

The people who are dying would have died anyhow. Lift restrictions and try to recover the economy. More and more people are dying of suicide. I know 6 people under 30 whove sadly taken their own lives as a result of mental health issues caused by the current situation.

Sweden had no lockdowns but they've managed fine.

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By *otSoNewAnymoreMan
over a year ago

North East

"So no one will die when we unlock.

Sage is full of left wing activist and labour donors.

I sadly feel the knight is just trying to be anti government.

spot on!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You all might be in a bit of a shock when you realise that most of the Civil Service, Public Sector Workers, NHS workers, and public transport workers are left leaning

It's as if they have first hand experience of the government cuts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just had a look at the latest YouGov poll on whether we should go into a further lockdown.

3000 cross sectioned adults polled

64% for

20% against

16% dont know

Thank god the vast majority still have some sense...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So no one will die when we unlock.

Sage is full of left wing activist and labour donors.

I sadly feel the knight is just trying to be anti government.

Haha, that made me chuckle,

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By *otSoNewAnymoreMan
over a year ago

North East

"Just had a look at the latest YouGov poll on whether we should go into a further lockdown.

3000 cross sectioned adults polled

64% for

20% against

16% dont know

Thank god the vast majority still have some sense..."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He back tracked on his proposal this morning in PMQ's... So who knows what is going on or going to happen

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By *he-Hosiery-GentMan
over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy

"Just had a look at the latest YouGov poll on whether we should go into a further lockdown.

3000 cross sectioned adults polled

64% for

20% against

16% dont know

Thank god the vast majority still have some sense...

It’s just virtue signalling.

I don’t know anyone who’s supporting more restrictions.

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By *otSoNewAnymoreMan
over a year ago

North East

"Just had a look at the latest YouGov poll on whether we should go into a further lockdown.

3000 cross sectioned adults polled

64% for

20% against

16% dont know

Thank god the vast majority still have some sense...

It’s just virtue signalling.

I don’t know anyone who’s supporting more restrictions. "

I do

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

I read somewhere 2 week lockdown might push virus numbers back 28 days.. if so we will need 2 weeks locked down, 4 weeks open, 2 weeks locked down... just to stand still.

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By *amesoflondonMan
over a year ago

London

"Complete waste of time all of these lockdowns. It's a virus that has over a 99% survival rate for God sake.

Average age of people dying of Covid = 82.2

Average life expectancy UK = 81.1

Sweden had no lockdowns but they've managed fine. "

Economic Damage

for Brexit? fine

to save a Mum? nah

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"So no one will die when we unlock.

Sage is full of left wing activist and labour donors.

I sadly feel the knight is just trying to be anti government.

Who are these communists exactly?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"So no one will die when we unlock.

Sage is full of left wing activist and labour donors.

I sadly feel the knight is just trying to be anti government.

You have evidence of this?

If you mean SAGE. -

Chairman Dave King

Brown/Blair advisor.

Labour donor

Lots of refs in print and on TV slagging the "tories" especially Boris who seems to have dropped him from gov advisors roles when he became PM - surprise!

Prof gabriel Scally

Labour donor

Labour policy advisor

Labour activist

Prof Chris Pagel

Labour activist

Prof Allyson Pollock

Written a book on selling off NHS

President of socialist care Health association

Regulalry pops up on TV and in print attacking tories (loads of references)

Loves a bit of nationalisation

Proper socialist

Dr Zuba Haque

Writes for the fabian Society

Prof Susan Michie

Member of the communist party until Corbyn

Donated to corbyn

wife of Labour special advisor

Her mother was a Labour employee in HR or something, cant quite get to the bottom of what she did

oh - and every single one of them is Pro EU or rather anti Brexit.

Ok let's examine your 'evidence'

Dave king advised under Blair and brown.. as that was his job.

I can see no evidence of labour donatins but 2 hits attacking him from the daily mail and something called guido.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Why have you not mentioned vallance or whitty?

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By *otSoNewAnymoreMan
over a year ago

North East

"So no one will die when we unlock.

Sage is full of left wing activist and labour donors.

I sadly feel the knight is just trying to be anti government.

You have evidence of this?

If you mean SAGE. -

Chairman Dave King

Brown/Blair advisor.

Labour donor

Lots of refs in print and on TV slagging the "tories" especially Boris who seems to have dropped him from gov advisors roles when he became PM - surprise!

Prof gabriel Scally

Labour donor

Labour policy advisor

Labour activist

Prof Chris Pagel

Labour activist

Prof Allyson Pollock

Written a book on selling off NHS

President of socialist care Health association

Regulalry pops up on TV and in print attacking tories (loads of references)

Loves a bit of nationalisation

Proper socialist

Dr Zuba Haque

Writes for the fabian Society

Prof Susan Michie

Member of the communist party until Corbyn

Donated to corbyn

wife of Labour special advisor

Her mother was a Labour employee in HR or something, cant quite get to the bottom of what she did

oh - and every single one of them is Pro EU or rather anti Brexit.

Ok let's examine your 'evidence'

Dave king advised under Blair and brown.. as that was his job.

I can see no evidence of labour donatins but 2 hits attacking him from the daily mail and something called guido."

let's not and the word is donations

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Several of them do seem to be quite critical of how the tories have treated the NHS.

Still being professors of medicine and working in health care all their lives,what would they know?

Presumably this also inlavidates their opinion on the pandemic.

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield

It depends what you are trying to achieve. A lockdown does not get rid of a virus it just delays a virus.

Sage also said this was only one part that had to be considered along with the harm a lockdown would do to the economy and the other side effects of a lockdown.

Starmer is just playing polotics as he knows Boris will have to authorise additional local lockdowns in the coming weeks then he can say you should have locked down when I suggested it.

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By *edbath 5Man
over a year ago

london

"So no one will die when we unlock.

Sage is full of left wing activist and labour donors.

I sadly feel the knight is just trying to be anti government.

You have evidence of this?

If you mean SAGE. -

Chairman Dave King

Brown/Blair advisor.

Labour donor

Lots of refs in print and on TV slagging the "tories" especially Boris who seems to have dropped him from gov advisors roles when he became PM - surprise!

Prof gabriel Scally

Labour donor

Labour policy advisor

Labour activist

Prof Chris Pagel

Labour activist

Prof Allyson Pollock

Written a book on selling off NHS

President of socialist care Health association

Regulalry pops up on TV and in print attacking tories (loads of references)

Loves a bit of nationalisation

Proper socialist

Dr Zuba Haque

Writes for the fabian Society

Prof Susan Michie

Member of the communist party until Corbyn

Donated to corbyn

wife of Labour special advisor

Her mother was a Labour employee in HR or something, cant quite get to the bottom of what she did

oh - and every single one of them is Pro EU or rather anti Brexit.

Ok let's examine your 'evidence'

Dave king advised under Blair and brown.. as that was his job.

I can see no evidence of labour donatins but 2 hits attacking him from the daily mail and something called guido."

I didn’t expect the guardian to tell us. Neither from your first reply expect you to agree with the evidence.

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By *edbath 5Man
over a year ago

london

"He back tracked on his proposal this morning in PMQ's... So who knows what is going on or going to happen

Backtracked. What was the backtrack please

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Northern Ireland going into lockdown and Wales are stopping all us northerners entry into Wales.

The writing is on the wall for England...can someone tell boris

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"So no one will die when we unlock.

Sage is full of left wing activist and labour donors.

I sadly feel the knight is just trying to be anti government.

You have evidence of this?

If you mean SAGE. -

Chairman Dave King

Brown/Blair advisor.

Labour donor

Lots of refs in print and on TV slagging the "tories" especially Boris who seems to have dropped him from gov advisors roles when he became PM - surprise!

Prof gabriel Scally

Labour donor

Labour policy advisor

Labour activist

Prof Chris Pagel

Labour activist

Prof Allyson Pollock

Written a book on selling off NHS

President of socialist care Health association

Regulalry pops up on TV and in print attacking tories (loads of references)

Loves a bit of nationalisation

Proper socialist

Dr Zuba Haque

Writes for the fabian Society

Prof Susan Michie

Member of the communist party until Corbyn

Donated to corbyn

wife of Labour special advisor

Her mother was a Labour employee in HR or something, cant quite get to the bottom of what she did

oh - and every single one of them is Pro EU or rather anti Brexit.

Ok let's examine your 'evidence'

Dave king advised under Blair and brown.. as that was his job.

I can see no evidence of labour donatins but 2 hits attacking him from the daily mail and something called guido.

I didn’t expect the guardian to tell us. Neither from your first reply expect you to agree with the evidence. "

Yep im sure some crackpot alt right site is totally impartial.

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By *edbath 5Man
over a year ago

london

"So no one will die when we unlock.

Sage is full of left wing activist and labour donors.

I sadly feel the knight is just trying to be anti government.

You have evidence of this?

If you mean SAGE. -

Chairman Dave King

Brown/Blair advisor.

Labour donor

Lots of refs in print and on TV slagging the "tories" especially Boris who seems to have dropped him from gov advisors roles when he became PM - surprise!

Prof gabriel Scally

Labour donor

Labour policy advisor

Labour activist

Prof Chris Pagel

Labour activist

Prof Allyson Pollock

Written a book on selling off NHS

President of socialist care Health association

Regulalry pops up on TV and in print attacking tories (loads of references)

Loves a bit of nationalisation

Proper socialist

Dr Zuba Haque

Writes for the fabian Society

Prof Susan Michie

Member of the communist party until Corbyn

Donated to corbyn

wife of Labour special advisor

Her mother was a Labour employee in HR or something, cant quite get to the bottom of what she did

oh - and every single one of them is Pro EU or rather anti Brexit.

Ok let's examine your 'evidence'

Dave king advised under Blair and brown.. as that was his job.

I can see no evidence of labour donatins but 2 hits attacking him from the daily mail and something called guido.

I didn’t expect the guardian to tell us. Neither from your first reply expect you to agree with the evidence.

Yep im sure some crackpot alt right site is totally impartial."

At least with them words you have confirmed you are left wing. And you wonder why you lost ANOTHER election.

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By *edbath 5Man
over a year ago

london

"Northern Ireland going into lockdown and Wales are stopping all us northerners entry into Wales.

The writing is on the wall for England...can someone tell boris

Northern Ireland is one of the worst places in Europe. Londonderry ( I think)and a few other places are 33% higher per 100,000 then Liverpool.

Wales seems to do what ever to go against Boris does.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"So no one will die when we unlock.

Sage is full of left wing activist and labour donors.

I sadly feel the knight is just trying to be anti government.

You have evidence of this?

If you mean SAGE. -

Chairman Dave King

Brown/Blair advisor.

Labour donor

Lots of refs in print and on TV slagging the "tories" especially Boris who seems to have dropped him from gov advisors roles when he became PM - surprise!

Prof gabriel Scally

Labour donor

Labour policy advisor

Labour activist

Prof Chris Pagel

Labour activist

Prof Allyson Pollock

Written a book on selling off NHS

President of socialist care Health association

Regulalry pops up on TV and in print attacking tories (loads of references)

Loves a bit of nationalisation

Proper socialist

Dr Zuba Haque

Writes for the fabian Society

Prof Susan Michie

Member of the communist party until Corbyn

Donated to corbyn

wife of Labour special advisor

Her mother was a Labour employee in HR or something, cant quite get to the bottom of what she did

oh - and every single one of them is Pro EU or rather anti Brexit.

Ok let's examine your 'evidence'

Dave king advised under Blair and brown.. as that was his job.

I can see no evidence of labour donatins but 2 hits attacking him from the daily mail and something called guido.

I didn’t expect the guardian to tell us. Neither from your first reply expect you to agree with the evidence.

Yep im sure some crackpot alt right site is totally impartial.

At least with them words you have confirmed you are left wing. And you wonder why you lost ANOTHER election.

I wasnt hiding it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A 3 wk 21 day lock down, against a virus that lasts 4 wks 28 days? A complete nonsensical question

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By *rambedCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"It depends what you are trying to achieve. A lockdown does not get rid of a virus it just delays a virus.

Sage also said this was only one part that had to be considered along with the harm a lockdown would do to the economy and the other side effects of a lockdown.

Starmer is just playing polotics as he knows Boris will have to authorise additional local lockdowns in the coming weeks then he can say you should have locked down when I suggested it."

Well... He is a politician.

It's a also a pretty sure bet that we will end up in another hard lock down. So anyone predicting the "we should have done in harder and sooner" is a winner. A bit like predicting the "cold snap" in weather in winter in UK. One day youll be right and can say how clever you are.

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By *itty9899Man
over a year ago

Craggy Island

Wot? Nobody has an opinion? National Lockdown?

3 weeks..I think that's where are heading for anyway and that's what sage seems to be pushing for?

So do you support a National 3 Week Lockdown?"

No, Covid is still going to be here in week 4.

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