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Why is it that more people than before have covid now and the death statistics are lower than before

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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What did you find when you googled this?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


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What did you find when you googled this?"

I didn't

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

The coronavirus is around more than ever, yet the death statistics are less

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

Increased knowledge about the virus and how to treat it, more testing so people are getting diagnosed earlier?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

I'd hazard a guess more people are (finally)being tested

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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What did you find when you googled this?

I didn't "

Maybe have a pop at that first instead of asking randomers on a swinging site.

People here will give you opinions mostly. Rather than information.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I'd hazard a guess more people are (finally)being tested "
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How do that explain lower death statistics?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"?

What did you find when you googled this?

I didn't

Maybe have a pop at that first instead of asking randomers on a swinging site.

People here will give you opinions mostly. Rather than information."

I come here for opinions

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By *rouble1998Woman
over a year ago

Newcastle upon Tyne

I would have thoughts it’s because the majority of new cases are young healthy people with few underlying health conditions

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"I'd hazard a guess more people are (finally)being tested .

How do that explain lower death statistics? "

Arent they rising again?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"?

What did you find when you googled this?

I didn't

Maybe have a pop at that first instead of asking randomers on a swinging site.

People here will give you opinions mostly. Rather than information.

I come here for opinions "

When it comes to things like this.

Facts are what you want. Opinions are less important.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I'd hazard a guess more people are (finally)being tested .

How do that explain lower death statistics?

Arent they rising again?"

So they should because it's everywhere now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At the beginning, there were not the measures to control the virus in care homes etc where people are more vulnerable and liable to death.

This time, most people would are vulnerable, haven't been out in pubs or restaurants, hence the numbers are the younger, fitter population who are statistically less likely to need hospital admission or at risk of death.

What I see as worrying is the number of people suffering from 'long Covid' whee it is having a significant impact on their long term health.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I would have thoughts it’s because the majority of new cases are young healthy people with few underlying health conditions "

What happened to all the older people aye?

Something about the statics just don't add up.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"At the beginning, there were not the measures to control the virus in care homes etc where people are more vulnerable and liable to death.

This time, most people would are vulnerable, haven't been out in pubs or restaurants, hence the numbers are the younger, fitter population who are statistically less likely to need hospital admission or at risk of death.

What I see as worrying is the number of people suffering from 'long Covid' whee it is having a significant impact on their long term health."

Yes long covid is a worry

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"I would have thoughts it’s because the majority of new cases are young healthy people with few underlying health conditions

What happened to all the older people aye?

Something about the statics just don't add up. "

What's not adding up?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

because kanye west (who was photographed in LA on tuesday) is walking around london when according to the uk covid rules americans coming to the uk should self isolate for 14 days.

laws do not apply to super spreader from america kanye west

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I would have thoughts it’s because the majority of new cases are young healthy people with few underlying health conditions

What happened to all the older people aye?

Something about the statics just don't add up. "

It's not adding up because fabswingers is your source of information.

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By *iger4uWoman
over a year ago

In my happy place

The viral load is less

Most ppl are getting tested now tgat they can, and isolating

Treatments have improved

Maybe the virus is weaker, maybe not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Because they have openly admitted they were doctoring the death count the first time around

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

1. Death figures were not accurate

2. More testing and reporting

3. Herd immunity seems to have weaked the strains.. as theres more than 1 strain.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I would have thoughts it’s because the majority of new cases are young healthy people with few underlying health conditions

What happened to all the older people aye?

Something about the statics just don't add up.

What's not adding up?"

Just look at how many people have it now and yet there are less recorded deaths from it.

No I'm not buying that.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I would have thoughts it’s because the majority of new cases are young healthy people with few underlying health conditions

What happened to all the older people aye?

Something about the statics just don't add up.

It's not adding up because fabswingers is your source of information."

Oh is it

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Because they have openly admitted they were doctoring the death count the first time around"

I guess so

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"I would have thoughts it’s because the majority of new cases are young healthy people with few underlying health conditions

What happened to all the older people aye?

Something about the statics just don't add up.

What's not adding up?

Just look at how many people have it now and yet there are less recorded deaths from it.

No I'm not buying that. "

As has been mentioned the death stats were initially false (the care Homes fiasco)

Now more people are being tested then surely the death toll will appear lower?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

There have been a few posts on this. If we're comparing with the height of the epidemic, we then had people in different ranges of the spectrum, primarily I think the typical ages were older - though you'd need to consult Office for National Statistics records to compare. More recently we've had infections amongst a broader range, with more younger people than before. They don't typically have the comorbidities that accumulate as we age and so generally have better outcomes after the infection. Fewer need hospital treatment or die. We've also got some treatments now that improve things and reduce death rates.

Our hospitals are getting fuller and the time delay from catching an infection to needing hospital is a week or more. Infect a thousand today and none of them would get to hospital for a while and most won't need it.

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By *az080378Woman
over a year ago

Cromer

Also maybe because they have changed the way they count the deaths?

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By *69BANMan
over a year ago

Reading


"Because they have openly admitted they were doctoring the death count the first time around

I guess so "

So all along you weren't looking for correct answers, you were looking for answers to fit your narrative.

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights


"I would have thoughts it’s because the majority of new cases are young healthy people with few underlying health conditions

What happened to all the older people?

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You mean all the vulnerable elderly that are in care homes locked away from visitor and family contact to keep them safe?

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By *iall888Man
over a year ago

isle of skye

It’s all fake and the sooner we all realise this the better look at all the ridiculous restrictions that we have now it’s about domination and not about the virus fear is what they are trying to fill us with and the statistics back this up with fewer deaths and much more cases

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By *ornyhappyCouple
over a year ago

perth


"It’s all fake and the sooner we all realise this the better look at all the ridiculous restrictions that we have now it’s about domination and not about the virus fear is what they are trying to fill us with and the statistics back this up with fewer deaths and much more cases "

Am sure all the families who have lost loved ones, & people who have had it & been left with long term health issues, & all the front line workers who have been, & continue to, treat patients with covid19, will all be so relieved to know that it is all fake.

K

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"It’s all fake and the sooner we all realise this the better look at all the ridiculous restrictions that we have now it’s about domination and not about the virus fear is what they are trying to fill us with and the statistics back this up with fewer deaths and much more cases "

A bit too short of evidence for such nonsense. Oh, there's none - yet evidence aplenty for the virus and how it's ravaged through the population.

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By *uttyjonnMan
over a year ago

SEA

According to the testing stats they are performing 3 X the volume of tests now compared to April (it's been increasing every month) so it makes sense there will be more positive tests now

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich


"Because they have openly admitted they were doctoring the death count the first time around"

This

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By *el3491Man
over a year ago

Gwent.


"because kanye west (who was photographed in LA on tuesday) is walking around london when according to the uk covid rules americans coming to the uk should self isolate for 14 days.

laws do not apply to super spreader from america kanye west"
I agree with you my friend you have hit it right on the head

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'd hazard a guess more people are (finally)being tested .

How do that explain lower death statistics? "

Because the medical world has learnt how to better treat covid.

Unfortunately the public haven’t learned a thing except to blame the government rather than themselves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Better treatments probably

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's a number of possible reasons but to be clear, there has not been any research done on this so these are all observational - cause & effect cannot be guaranteed.

- The demographic of those getting sick. In March it was largely the elderly & vulnerable (ie. care home residents, hospital patients etc.) catching covid who are statistically much more likely to die from it. Now it's the younger, healthier population who are at far less risk of death.

- Improvements in patient management & treatment. We know more about how to manage patients with Covid, and there is at least one treatment proven to help. That didn't exist in March.

- There are significantly less vulnerable people being exposed. We know who's most at risk and we are taking care to protect them - and they are taking care to protect themselves.

That's pretty much it. Nothing earth shattering or really unexpected. Just society learning how to cope with what is, in the end, just another virus.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"It’s all fake and the sooner we all realise this the better look at all the ridiculous restrictions that we have now it’s about domination and not about the virus fear is what they are trying to fill us with and the statistics back this up with fewer deaths and much more cases "

This type of insanity seems to be becoming more and more prevalent.

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke


"It’s all fake and the sooner we all realise this the better look at all the ridiculous restrictions that we have now it’s about domination and not about the virus fear is what they are trying to fill us with and the statistics back this up with fewer deaths and much more cases

This type of insanity seems to be becoming more and more prevalent."

Well Margaret Ferrier SNP MP says virus 'makes you do things out of character'.

Maybe this is characteristic of the Virus instant dementia with regard to accepted fact.

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By *asIsaCouple
over a year ago

harrow


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Let's look at the daily death figures in a month. The time lag means that unfortunately we will see deaths in the many hundreds on a daily basis

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By *enny PR9TV/TS
over a year ago

Southport


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Let's look at the daily death figures in a month. The time lag means that unfortunately we will see deaths in the many hundreds on a daily basis"

As Vitamin D levels fall as we head into winter I fully expect the death rate to rise.

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By *ittyandtheboyCouple
over a year ago

Back of the bins.

More tests are being done. It’s that simple.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

increased knowledge of what treatments help in fight covid....

the other thing i would point out is that hospitalisation numbers are being to creep up again..... don't be fooled into thinking that "not death" equals "full recovery!"........

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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What did you find when you googled this?

I didn't "

Wouldn't Google be a better place for a factual reply?

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"The coronavirus is around more than ever, yet the death statistics are less "
They know how to treat it better

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"?

Let's look at the daily death figures in a month. The time lag means that unfortunately we will see deaths in the many hundreds on a daily basis

As Vitamin D levels fall as we head into winter I fully expect the death rate to rise.

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As they do every year with respiratory infections.

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By *ensualpleasures69Man
over a year ago

leeds


"Because they have openly admitted they were doctoring the death count the first time around"

Exactly right, in the beginning of Covid they were putting most deaths down to Covid, this was so inaccurate, it was easier to move the dead people on, in nursing homes drs were not signing death certificates, the nurses were and it was easier to put Covid as the death cause, now, it’s genuine reasons for passing.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Because they have openly admitted they were doctoring the death count the first time around

Exactly right, in the beginning of Covid they were putting most deaths down to Covid, this was so inaccurate, it was easier to move the dead people on, in nursing homes drs were not signing death certificates, the nurses were and it was easier to put Covid as the death cause, now, it’s genuine reasons for passing.

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The nursing home deaths were not being included initially

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

75% of patients now are on cpap as opposed to invasive ventilation.

Now I did start a thread on this back in march and got slaughtered for daring to suggest that mainline ventilators were doing more harm then good...

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"More tests are being done. It’s that simple. "

This is what I keep hearing and that covid is now more widespread than ever before, but the death statistics are way less than a few months ago.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"The coronavirus is around more than ever, yet the death statistics are less They know how to treat it better"

But still I can't see how that would bring the death statistics down so low compared to before the virus had spread.

I guess there may be some truth about people who died before being marked down as another covid death when it really wasn't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

UK figures from from Worldometer:

Apr 11th - cases approx 7500, deaths 1050.

Oct 10th - cases approx 15,000, deaths 87.

Make what you will of that.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"UK figures from from Worldometer:

Apr 11th - cases approx 7500, deaths 1050.

Oct 10th - cases approx 15,000, deaths 87.

Make what you will of that."

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham


"According to the testing stats they are performing 3 X the volume of tests now compared to April (it's been increasing every month) so it makes sense there will be more positive tests now "
and more, mistakes, than ever. Look at the, 16000 positive tests, that went missing and the, abysmal failure to trace any of their contacts. My life is my own. I have no faith in this government now. Get Brexit done won them the election.their inept performance in this crisis has shown everyone how useless they really are.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"UK figures from from Worldometer:

Apr 11th - cases approx 7500, deaths 1050.

Oct 10th - cases approx 15,000, deaths 87.

Make what you will of that."

That we are not sacrificing people in care homes anymore?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

OP. Maybe it's because we know more about it so preventative measures are in place, the numbers of those with susceptable underlying conditions are less now too and those being treated are being treated in a more successful way.

Maybe many are building antibodies to it too.

The measured restrictions which have been out in place also contribute to stem the flow, this wasn't the case in Jan when it first was seen here until March of this year, allowing an unchecked spread as people carried on with normal everyday socialising.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Worldometer UK

Oct 11th - cases 12872, deaths 65

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands


"UK figures from from Worldometer:

Apr 11th - cases approx 7500, deaths 1050.

Oct 10th - cases approx 15,000, deaths 87.

Make what you will of that.

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Deaths in February pretty much zero went to 30 a day in March to a thousand a day in April

Deaths in September pretty much zero and went to 87 a day in October but hopefully restrictions will prevent it being 1000 a day in November

That's what I make of it .....

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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago

milton keynes

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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago

milton keynes


"I would have thoughts it’s because the majority of new cases are young healthy people with few underlying health conditions

What happened to all the older people aye?

Something about the statics just don't add up.

What's not adding up?

Just look at how many people have it now and yet there are less recorded deaths from it.

No I'm not buying that. "

The problem with your comparison is its not a comparison as back to the first wave we did not know how many people had it. As only a couple of thousand were being tested each day even if all positive that's the max that could be reported. Many estimates are that at the height about 100,000 per day were being infected

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"UK figures from from Worldometer:

Apr 11th - cases approx 7500, deaths 1050.

Oct 10th - cases approx 15,000, deaths 87.

Make what you will of that."

Behavioural changes

Ppe everywhere

Masks

Gallons of sanitizer

Better treatments

Hospitalizations up 200 % in a 10 days

So if deaths are still low in a month will be wonderful news but I fear they will increase with hospitalizations.

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

Sanitizer!!

I have actually started a gag-reflex when I use it.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Sanitizer!!

I have actually started a gag-reflex when I use it.

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You're not supposed to put it on that!

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke


"Sanitizer!!

I have actually started a gag-reflex when I use it.

You're not supposed to put it on that! "

lol. Oops.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Because they have openly admitted they were doctoring the death count the first time around

I guess so "

What’s your opinion, why do you think fewer people are currently dying in comparison to the number who have been tested positive for COVID-19 than in March?

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


"Because they have openly admitted they were doctoring the death count the first time around

I guess so

What’s your opinion, why do you think fewer people are currently dying in comparison to the number who have been tested positive for COVID-19 than in March?"

Two main reasons, far more testing now back then it was often those already pretty poorly with it were tested and more knowledge on how to treat it .

The next six weeks will see how this is going to play out, if deaths stay low then the light at the end of the tunnel may appear, if they rise quickly and to a high level the government will have some really hard decisions to make, I just hope the idiots in the media stop the muck raking if deaths rise

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By *ickthelick2001Man
over a year ago

nottingham

Probably because they are testing more people, using the unreliable PCR test, as very few are actually dying of the kung flu, they have to use cases to carry on the fear factor.

You can even get paid for having a test now.

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By *orthern StarsCouple
over a year ago

Durham

Because more people are being tested so of course there will be more cases.

The doctors know how to treat Covid better than what it first originated, so the deaths are lower.

If you notice the media were always quoting the death figures, now it's not mentioned as much, they quote cases instead.

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By *ir-spunk-alotMan
over a year ago

Southern England


"I would have thoughts it’s because the majority of new cases are young healthy people with few underlying health conditions

What happened to all the older people aye?

Something about the statics just don't add up.

What's not adding up?

Just look at how many people have it now and yet there are less recorded deaths from it.

No I'm not buying that. "

People have explained it to you why and you keep asking the same question.

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By *ir-spunk-alotMan
over a year ago

Southern England


"UK figures from from Worldometer:

Apr 11th - cases approx 7500, deaths 1050.

Oct 10th - cases approx 15,000, deaths 87.

Make what you will of that."

The testing wasn't in place to which its at now. You would only get tested if you were in hospital or with severe symptoms.

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By *yn drwgMan
over a year ago

Camarthen

Testing is probably the biggest factor but throwing figures around as the press are doing with early lockdown is irresponsible as testing was very low and actual positive cases must have been very high compared to now.

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By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland


"UK figures from from Worldometer:

Apr 11th - cases approx 7500, deaths 1050.

Oct 10th - cases approx 15,000, deaths 87.

Make what you will of that."

This is what I make of it.

April 13th - 17k tests performed.

Oct 5th - 240k tests performed.

That 11x more tests recording twice the number of cases. This suggests that had full testing been around early April there would have been 5x the number of cases recorded. That would be 75k cases with 1050 deaths. So, the argument would be why are there not 5x less deaths now than there was in April. (200 rather than 87). This could be explained a number of ways including a better understanding of the virus and therefore treatment. However, I don't believe that would make a huge difference.

The other factor is that in the 15-19 age group there have been a total of 42k cases recorded with a similar number in the 85+ (40k).

If we look at the past 7 days, there has been 16k cases in the 15-19 age group (38% of total cases in just 1 week!!!) compared to 1,300 in the 85+ (3.2% of total cases in that age group).

Another way if looking at this is that there are approximately 12 young people (15-19) getting infected every day for every 85+ but in the early stages there were many more older people for every younger person.

So, the virus is clearly ripping through the younger people now which would of course give a way lower death rate.

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol

Its about time they stopped using that running total as it's missleading

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow


"It’s all fake and the sooner we all realise this the better look at all the ridiculous restrictions that we have now it’s about domination and not about the virus fear is what they are trying to fill us with and the statistics back this up with fewer deaths and much more cases "

Domination? Who does this form of domination benefit?

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford


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1 there are not more cases than April (yet) only more tested positive because we now do many many more tests

2. Virus has not got a grip in the care sector like it did first time round

3. Better treatments means much better rates of hospital survival.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The numbers of people dying from Covid have always been very misleading. The government directive was to have deaths recorded as deaths from Covid and not 'with' covid even if Covid was only a contributing factor.

So, for example, someone terminally ill patients catching Covid had an accelerate the death.

That death would then be put down to Covid, even though it was something else.

There were many who died early on in care homes that were given cause of death as Covid without tested evidence too.

It's all very misleading and contributes to the scaremongering.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The numbers of people dying from Covid have always been very misleading. The government directive was to have deaths recorded as deaths from Covid and not 'with' covid even if Covid was only a contributing factor.

So, for example, someone terminally ill patients catching Covid had an accelerate the death.

That death would then be put down to Covid, even though it was something else.

There were many who died early on in care homes that were given cause of death as Covid without tested evidence too.

It's all very misleading and contributes to the scaremongering. "

How many people who died ‘with’ Covid do you think would’ve died at that point had they not caught it?

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Testing is probably the biggest factor but throwing figures around as the press are doing with early lockdown is irresponsible as testing was very low and actual positive cases must have been very high compared to now. "

They were weren't they? You could only get a test if you were in hospital and with symptoms at the start. Then only if you have symptoms or were a key worker. Given over 85 % of infections are asymptomatic its no surprise that when you test only people in hospital... And if you're in hospital with it survival rate was something like 70 %.... (I think that was tru in March / April?) Then comparative death rates in April would be much higher.

As someone else posted.... Some balance amongst the bad news like survival rates and likelihood to be infected would be good.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

Because more people are being tested? Just a wild guess??

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By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland


"?

1 there are not more cases than April (yet) only more tested positive because we now do many many more tests

2. Virus has not got a grip in the care sector like it did first time round

3. Better treatments means much better rates of hospital survival. "

It amazes me that people do simple comparisons between april and now.

If we were only hitting 7,500 cases a day then how on earth did we reach the estimated 7% of the population that has had covid 19? It would take nearly 2 years at the highest rate of infection detected to get to that level.

I think that the no of cases in the early stages potentially hit 100k a day before lockdown.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The numbers of people dying from Covid have always been very misleading. The government directive was to have deaths recorded as deaths from Covid and not 'with' covid even if Covid was only a contributing factor.

So, for example, someone terminally ill patients catching Covid had an accelerate the death.

That death would then be put down to Covid, even though it was something else.

There were many who died early on in care homes that were given cause of death as Covid without tested evidence too.

It's all very misleading and contributes to the scaremongering.

How many people who died ‘with’ Covid do you think would’ve died at that point had they not caught it?"

That's a fair point indeed.

I did acknowledge this when I said accelerated death and the reference was also with terminally ill patients. This being a matter of imminent time, some days, weeks, months. Still debatable as to the cause, as Covid attacks the immune system and vital organs, all already targeted and dying from the terminal illness.

It was a convenient way of overlooking the issue that the government had no proper testing in place, no PPE supplies, nor many answers being asked about covid at the time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"?

1 there are not more cases than April (yet) only more tested positive because we now do many many more tests

2. Virus has not got a grip in the care sector like it did first time round

3. Better treatments means much better rates of hospital survival.

It amazes me that people do simple comparisons between april and now.

If we were only hitting 7,500 cases a day then how on earth did we reach the estimated 7% of the population that has had covid 19? It would take nearly 2 years at the highest rate of infection detected to get to that level.

I think that the no of cases in the early stages potentially hit 100k a day before lockdown.

"

There's been a lot of information coming out to confirm your last statement.

Most virologists would say it was probably around 6 months to a year in China before the Wouhan outbreak because of its advanced level of development at that time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The numbers of people dying from Covid have always been very misleading. The government directive was to have deaths recorded as deaths from Covid and not 'with' covid even if Covid was only a contributing factor.

So, for example, someone terminally ill patients catching Covid had an accelerate the death.

That death would then be put down to Covid, even though it was something else.

There were many who died early on in care homes that were given cause of death as Covid without tested evidence too.

It's all very misleading and contributes to the scaremongering.

How many people who died ‘with’ Covid do you think would’ve died at that point had they not caught it?

That's a fair point indeed.

I did acknowledge this when I said accelerated death and the reference was also with terminally ill patients. This being a matter of imminent time, some days, weeks, months. Still debatable as to the cause, as Covid attacks the immune system and vital organs, all already targeted and dying from the terminal illness.

It was a convenient way of overlooking the issue that the government had no proper testing in place, no PPE supplies, nor many answers being asked about covid at the time.

"

There are very few people diagnosed as terminally ill who will die within a matter of weeks though, and for the terminally ill every single second is precious.

That’s why I struggle so much with the whole ‘well they would’ve died anyway’ argument. We are all going to die it’s just that most of us don’t have to live with the very real knowledge that it will be on a shorter time than we could’ve reasonably expected.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The numbers of people dying from Covid have always been very misleading. The government directive was to have deaths recorded as deaths from Covid and not 'with' covid even if Covid was only a contributing factor.

So, for example, someone terminally ill patients catching Covid had an accelerate the death.

That death would then be put down to Covid, even though it was something else.

There were many who died early on in care homes that were given cause of death as Covid without tested evidence too.

It's all very misleading and contributes to the scaremongering.

How many people who died ‘with’ Covid do you think would’ve died at that point had they not caught it?

That's a fair point indeed.

I did acknowledge this when I said accelerated death and the reference was also with terminally ill patients. This being a matter of imminent time, some days, weeks, months. Still debatable as to the cause, as Covid attacks the immune system and vital organs, all already targeted and dying from the terminal illness.

It was a convenient way of overlooking the issue that the government had no proper testing in place, no PPE supplies, nor many answers being asked about covid at the time.

There are very few people diagnosed as terminally ill who will die within a matter of weeks though, and for the terminally ill every single second is precious.

That’s why I struggle so much with the whole ‘well they would’ve died anyway’ argument. We are all going to die it’s just that most of us don’t have to live with the very real knowledge that it will be on a shorter time than we could’ve reasonably expected."

I understand that, but to use that as an excuse to increase the covid death figures is morally wrong and manipulation at best.

The government changed their memo and now death certificate doesn't say 'with' but 'by'.

This clearly shows admission of fudging earlier numbers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The numbers of people dying from Covid have always been very misleading. The government directive was to have deaths recorded as deaths from Covid and not 'with' covid even if Covid was only a contributing factor.

So, for example, someone terminally ill patients catching Covid had an accelerate the death.

That death would then be put down to Covid, even though it was something else.

There were many who died early on in care homes that were given cause of death as Covid without tested evidence too.

It's all very misleading and contributes to the scaremongering.

How many people who died ‘with’ Covid do you think would’ve died at that point had they not caught it?

That's a fair point indeed.

I did acknowledge this when I said accelerated death and the reference was also with terminally ill patients. This being a matter of imminent time, some days, weeks, months. Still debatable as to the cause, as Covid attacks the immune system and vital organs, all already targeted and dying from the terminal illness.

It was a convenient way of overlooking the issue that the government had no proper testing in place, no PPE supplies, nor many answers being asked about covid at the time.

There are very few people diagnosed as terminally ill who will die within a matter of weeks though, and for the terminally ill every single second is precious.

That’s why I struggle so much with the whole ‘well they would’ve died anyway’ argument. We are all going to die it’s just that most of us don’t have to live with the very real knowledge that it will be on a shorter time than we could’ve reasonably expected.

I understand that, but to use that as an excuse to increase the covid death figures is morally wrong and manipulation at best.

The government changed their memo and now death certificate doesn't say 'with' but 'by'.

This clearly shows admission of fudging earlier numbers."

*which is helping to answer the OP question.

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

part of the reason there may be more infections and less deaths is the virus mutates as it is passed on getting weaker and weaker less virulant each time untill it eventualy peaters out .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'd hazard a guess more people are (finally)being tested .

How do that explain lower death statistics? "

That is why we're fucked lmao

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By *essiejamesABCCouple
over a year ago

Salisbury


"It’s all fake and the sooner we all realise this the better look at all the ridiculous restrictions that we have now it’s about domination and not about the virus fear is what they are trying to fill us with and the statistics back this up with fewer deaths and much more cases

Am sure all the families who have lost loved ones, & people who have had it & been left with long term health issues, & all the front line workers who have been, & continue to, treat patients with covid19, will all be so relieved to know that it is all fake.

K"

Well said horny happy. These conspiracy theorists do my head in and obviously have no concern for their fellow human beings that have lost people due to this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Worldometer figures for uk today.

14,000 cases approx.

Deaths 50

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Worldometer figures for uk today.

14,000 cases approx.

Deaths 50"
.

That's measured cases, considering this virus has a minimum of a 60% asymptomatic ratio we can say fairly confidently estimate the real numbers are triple that at least, by all measurable realities the death rate is about 0.3% or three times the rate of a standard influenza strain.

It's really nothing to worry about for anybody not very old or with existing serious underlying medical problems, anybody visiting these people should take sensible precautions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

It amazes me that people do simple comparisons between april and now.

If we were only hitting 7,500 cases a day then how on earth did we reach the estimated 7% of the population that has had covid 19? It would take nearly 2 years at the highest rate of infection detected to get to that level.

I think that the no of cases in the early stages potentially hit 100k a day before lockdown.

"

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The 7860 in April were confirmed cases of people reporting symptoms or needing hospital treatment.

This was the highest number on any one day during the first wave and you could only get a test if you had symptoms.

Now we are doing much more testing and finding cases where people do not have symptoms - for example, if you are self isolating you have to have a test before you can go back to work or school.

Also we are starting to do random antibody testing here and there.

The results if all these various tests coming in are indicating that there are many more times the number of confirmed cases out there, mostly in people who are totally asymptomatic or only have the mildest of symptoms

In short many many more have it, or have had it, than the numbers of those we know have shown symptoms

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

its killed off the ones that had medical conditions during the first wave.

im guessing that hospitals etc have a more understanding on treatment so can minimize death.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"I'd hazard a guess more people are (finally)being tested .

How do that explain lower death statistics? "

Initially, the only people who were tested were those who had already been admitted to hospital. People with milder responses to the virus would not have been tested at the beginning.

Also there have been developments in treatment, so those admitted to hospital have improved chances of survival.

Cal

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield

It is very simple really.

1) More testing is being done

2) Testing is concentrating on hotspots

3) Doctors know more about how to respond to the virus, what meds. are more successful & there are more tested meds. to use.

4) More younger people are being infected, meaning less deaths but more long covid.

Now the bad news because more young people were catching and spreading the virus it was not spreading as quickly in the older generations, now because there is more virus in multi generation households the older generations are now being infected and deaths will soon mount in the older age groups

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It is very simple really.

1) More testing is being done

2) Testing is concentrating on hotspots

3) Doctors know more about how to respond to the virus, what meds. are more successful & there are more tested meds. to use.

4) More younger people are being infected, meaning less deaths but more long covid.

Now the bad news because more young people were catching and spreading the virus it was not spreading as quickly in the older generations, now because there is more virus in multi generation households the older generations are now being infected and deaths will soon mount in the older age groups"

*

I think we need to wait and see about the death rate. There are more treatments available and we know more about what to do with the sick - ie no respirators etc - so it's possible the death rate may not climb

We are five or six weeks into the second wave now, which in started early September, and it hasn't gone through the roof yet

Back in April we were having death rates of 1000 a day

I am mildly hopeful that we have this virus partly licked despite the rising number of cases.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"? "

Because they're testing more but we are now becoming immune after months as it's a new virus and taken us longer to become immune. The R number means nothing. It's the death rate and that is almost the same as flu..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"?

Because they're testing more but we are now becoming immune after months as it's a new virus and taken us longer to become immune. The R number means nothing. It's the death rate and that is almost the same as flu.."

Flu death rate per case 0.1%

Covid 19 death rate per case 0.6-0.8%

So Covid is much more pathogenic than the seasonal flu( 2020CDC figures) and has more long term side effects - Long Covid. 10% are still affected one month after infection. 1.6-2% of all people infected in the Uk are still recovering

Covid months later. That’s approximately 100,000 in the UK currently- many of these people cannot work.

Long Covid is going to be the argument that will change to long term strategy of the government from mitigation to elimination

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"?

Because they're testing more but we are now becoming immune after months as it's a new virus and taken us longer to become immune. The R number means nothing. It's the death rate and that is almost the same as flu..

Flu death rate per case 0.1%

Covid 19 death rate per case 0.6-0.8%

So Covid is much more pathogenic than the seasonal flu( 2020CDC figures) and has more long term side effects - Long Covid. 10% are still affected one month after infection. 1.6-2% of all people infected in the Uk are still recovering

Covid months later. That’s approximately 100,000 in the UK currently- many of these people cannot work.

Long Covid is going to be the argument that will change to long term strategy of the government from mitigation to elimination"
.

Don't worry, they'll be no jobs for them to do anyway the way things are going.

It's a little bit misleading, there are looking covid problems but the under six months figure is no different than with pneumonia which also officially has a six month recovery from.

The vast vast majority recover in that six months.

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By *oroRick1027Man
over a year ago

Middlesbrough

The simple answer is, more young people are getting it ( just look at the uni's). But they don't often die from it

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By *orrow my wifeCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

Also treatment is better

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"?

Because they're testing more but we are now becoming immune after months as it's a new virus and taken us longer to become immune. The R number means nothing. It's the death rate and that is almost the same as flu..

Flu death rate per case 0.1%

Covid 19 death rate per case 0.6-0.8%

So Covid is much more pathogenic than the seasonal flu( 2020CDC figures) and has more long term side effects - Long Covid. 10% are still affected one month after infection. 1.6-2% of all people infected in the Uk are still recovering

Covid months later. That’s approximately 100,000 in the UK currently- many of these people cannot work.

Long Covid is going to be the argument that will change to long term strategy of the government from mitigation to elimination.

Don't worry, they'll be no jobs for them to do anyway the way things are going.

It's a little bit misleading, there are looking covid problems but the under six months figure is no different than with pneumonia which also officially has a six month recovery from.

The vast vast majority recover in that six months. "

Hang on- when you say pneumonia, how many different pathogens cause pneumonia? We were comparing Flu

with Covid.

Yes pneumonia does take a long time to recover from but influenza is not the only cause.

Also Covid has multi systemic effects- eg Brain/ heart. Influenza does not have the same effects

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By *inca15Man
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"?

Because they're testing more but we are now becoming immune after months as it's a new virus and taken us longer to become immune. The R number means nothing. It's the death rate and that is almost the same as flu..

Flu death rate per case 0.1%

Covid 19 death rate per case 0.6-0.8%

So Covid is much more pathogenic than the seasonal flu( 2020CDC figures) and has more long term side effects - Long Covid. 10% are still affected one month after infection. 1.6-2% of all people infected in the Uk are still recovering

Covid months later. That’s approximately 100,000 in the UK currently- many of these people cannot work.

Long Covid is going to be the argument that will change to long term strategy of the government from mitigation to elimination.

Don't worry, they'll be no jobs for them to do anyway the way things are going.

It's a little bit misleading, there are looking covid problems but the under six months figure is no different than with pneumonia which also officially has a six month recovery from.

The vast vast majority recover in that six months.

Hang on- when you say pneumonia, how many different pathogens cause pneumonia? We were comparing Flu

with Covid.

Yes pneumonia does take a long time to recover from but influenza is not the only cause.

Also Covid has multi systemic effects- eg Brain/ heart. Influenza does not have the same effects "
.

There's currently 1000s of unidentified viruses in your body and millions of bacteria a multitude of which cause pneumonia.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"?

Because they're testing more but we are now becoming immune after months as it's a new virus and taken us longer to become immune. The R number means nothing. It's the death rate and that is almost the same as flu..

Flu death rate per case 0.1%

Covid 19 death rate per case 0.6-0.8%

So Covid is much more pathogenic than the seasonal flu( 2020CDC figures) and has more long term side effects - Long Covid. 10% are still affected one month after infection. 1.6-2% of all people infected in the Uk are still recovering

Covid months later. That’s approximately 100,000 in the UK currently- many of these people cannot work.

Long Covid is going to be the argument that will change to long term strategy of the government from mitigation to elimination.

Don't worry, they'll be no jobs for them to do anyway the way things are going.

It's a little bit misleading, there are looking covid problems but the under six months figure is no different than with pneumonia which also officially has a six month recovery from.

The vast vast majority recover in that six months.

Hang on- when you say pneumonia, how many different pathogens cause pneumonia? We were comparing Flu

with Covid.

Yes pneumonia does take a long time to recover from but influenza is not the only cause.

Also Covid has multi systemic effects- eg Brain/ heart. Influenza does not have the same effects .

There's currently 1000s of unidentified viruses in your body and millions of bacteria a multitude of which cause pneumonia."

Unidentifiable viruses causing pneumonia? Please quote reference- the CDC would be worried

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

People are so fixated on the death rate that they are forgetting about the number of Covid related hospitalisations that are happening... and since those numbers are the ones that are rapidly increasing that is putting more strain on the nhs in general...

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"People are so fixated on the death rate that they are forgetting about the number of Covid related hospitalisations that are happening... and since those numbers are the ones that are rapidly increasing that is putting more strain on the nhs in general..."
Exactly Fabio.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i was recently in hospital for operations and i asked various members of staff how they are coping with covid-19 and the extra numbers needing treatment.

most of not all said dont listen to what the media are saying.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Today from Worldometer

Cases 19,000

Deaths 137

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By *pider-WomanWoman
over a year ago

Exeter, Bristol, Plymouth, Truro

Because the death ranks are a few weeks behind the figures for positive testing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I would have thoughts it’s because the majority of new cases are young healthy people with few underlying health conditions

What happened to all the older people aye?

Something about the statics just don't add up.

What's not adding up?

Just look at how many people have it now and yet there are less recorded deaths from it.

No I'm not buying that. "

In March the only testing was in hospital, ie very sick people, now we do community testing at scale so testing data can’t be compared.

Hospital admissions are at March levels, deaths will catch up.

Death rate will be lower for now because average age of sufferer is 35 but in March it was 60 but virus is climbing up the age range. Older people are protecting themselves now but it’s hard to be totally safe.

So in a month deaths will be high but it’s not going to climb as fast as before due to control measures.

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By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland


"i was recently in hospital for operations and i asked various members of staff how they are coping with covid-19 and the extra numbers needing treatment.

most of not all said dont listen to what the media are saying.

"

Farnborough? How are the infection rates down there?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People are so fixated on the death rate that they are forgetting about the number of Covid related hospitalisations that are happening... and since those numbers are the ones that are rapidly increasing that is putting more strain on the nhs in general..."

Noticing this rather than the deaths will also help people understand why many of the other important services and treatments (Operations/cancer treatments/ scanning etc) have been put on hold. Sadly delaying of these service are a direct result of people's social behaviour. The knock on result will also be increase premature deaths.

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By *emmabTV/TS
over a year ago

Leicestershire


"I would have thoughts it’s because the majority of new cases are young healthy people with few underlying health conditions

What happened to all the older people aye?

Something about the statics just don't add up.

What's not adding up?

Just look at how many people have it now and yet there are less recorded deaths from it.

No I'm not buying that.

In March the only testing was in hospital, ie very sick people, now we do community testing at scale so testing data can’t be compared.

Hospital admissions are at March levels, deaths will catch up.

Death rate will be lower for now because average age of sufferer is 35 but in March it was 60 but virus is climbing up the age range. Older people are protecting themselves now but it’s hard to be totally safe.

So in a month deaths will be high but it’s not going to climb as fast as before due to control measures. "

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Today from Worldometer

Cases 19,000

Deaths 137"

We're they covid deaths

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"Today from Worldometer

Cases 19,000

Deaths 137

We're they covid deaths "

Deaths within 28 days of a positive Covid test. That's the definition.

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over a year ago


"Today from Worldometer

Cases 19,000

Deaths 137

We're they covid deaths

Deaths within 28 days of a positive Covid test. That's the definition. "

In another thread I saw someone saying that X amount of people had died and yet that wasn't from covid

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By *r99mr99Man
over a year ago

Ealing


"Today from Worldometer

Cases 19,000

Deaths 137"

There 390k+ new cases a day and over 5k deaths World wide.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"Today from Worldometer

Cases 19,000

Deaths 137

We're they covid deaths

Deaths within 28 days of a positive Covid test. That's the definition.

In another thread I saw someone saying that X amount of people had died and yet that wasn't from covid "

The UK Govt definition is a death occurring within 28 days of a positive Covid test. There's nothing in the definition to say Covid is the sole or main cause of death.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Today from Worldometer

Cases 19,000

Deaths 137

We're they covid deaths

Deaths within 28 days of a positive Covid test. That's the definition.

In another thread I saw someone saying that X amount of people had died and yet that wasn't from covid

The UK Govt definition is a death occurring within 28 days of a positive Covid test. There's nothing in the definition to say Covid is the sole or main cause of death. "

Right so it's all crap then

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By *r99mr99Man
over a year ago

Ealing


"Today from Worldometer

Cases 19,000

Deaths 137

We're they covid deaths

Deaths within 28 days of a positive Covid test. That's the definition. "

it's broken down here from cases within 28bdays of a test and those with it as a cause of death on death certificate

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/deaths

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"Today from Worldometer

Cases 19,000

Deaths 137

We're they covid deaths

Deaths within 28 days of a positive Covid test. That's the definition.

In another thread I saw someone saying that X amount of people had died and yet that wasn't from covid

The UK Govt definition is a death occurring within 28 days of a positive Covid test. There's nothing in the definition to say Covid is the sole or main cause of death.

Right so it's all crap then "

That's subjective. The facts are the Govt includes in its death stats all deaths within 28 days of a positive Covid test. In all these cases, Covid will be mentioned on the death cert as at least contributing to, if not being the main cause of death. Many deaths are not definitively one cause only, prior to and during Covid. It's normal for many conditions to be contributory to death.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Today from Worldometer

Cases 19,000

Deaths 137

We're they covid deaths

Deaths within 28 days of a positive Covid test. That's the definition.

it's broken down here from cases within 28bdays of a test and those with it as a cause of death on death certificate

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/deaths"

So out of those 137 people how many actually died from the virus

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Today from Worldometer

Cases 19,000

Deaths 137

We're they covid deaths

Deaths within 28 days of a positive Covid test. That's the definition.

In another thread I saw someone saying that X amount of people had died and yet that wasn't from covid

The UK Govt definition is a death occurring within 28 days of a positive Covid test. There's nothing in the definition to say Covid is the sole or main cause of death.

Right so it's all crap then

That's subjective. The facts are the Govt includes in its death stats all deaths within 28 days of a positive Covid test. In all these cases, Covid will be mentioned on the death cert as at least contributing to, if not being the main cause of death. Many deaths are not definitively one cause only, prior to and during Covid. It's normal for many conditions to be contributory to death. "

I think it is very misleading on TV and a lot of deaths have ocured from the way it has been portrayed.

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By *ell In HeelsWoman
over a year ago

Chicago

It is probably because the most vulnerable are already dead.

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By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland


"Today from Worldometer

Cases 19,000

Deaths 137

We're they covid deaths

Deaths within 28 days of a positive Covid test. That's the definition.

it's broken down here from cases within 28bdays of a test and those with it as a cause of death on death certificate

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/deaths

So out of those 137 people how many actually died from the virus "

This has been done time and time again...

What exactly do you mean? Dying of the virus and nothing else?

Covid attacks the body. It leads to complications that can result in death. This is pretty much what happens with cancer. A relative of mine died last year of a stroke. She was seriously ill having been suffering from cancer. It was the stroke that killed her. Death certificate listed the stroke as the cause and the cancer as a secondary condition. That's the way they do it.

What you need to understand is that many people who died WITH covid would not have died had they not caught it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Today from Worldometer

Cases 19,000

Deaths 137

We're they covid deaths

Deaths within 28 days of a positive Covid test. That's the definition.

it's broken down here from cases within 28bdays of a test and those with it as a cause of death on death certificate

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/deaths

So out of those 137 people how many actually died from the virus

This has been done time and time again...

What exactly do you mean? Dying of the virus and nothing else?

Covid attacks the body. It leads to complications that can result in death. This is pretty much what happens with cancer. A relative of mine died last year of a stroke. She was seriously ill having been suffering from cancer. It was the stroke that killed her. Death certificate listed the stroke as the cause and the cancer as a secondary condition. That's the way they do it.

What you need to understand is that many people who died WITH covid would not have died had they not caught it.

"

Okay so they would not of died if they had not caught it. So how many do that leave that covid is killing alone?

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"Today from Worldometer

Cases 19,000

Deaths 137

We're they covid deaths

Deaths within 28 days of a positive Covid test. That's the definition.

it's broken down here from cases within 28bdays of a test and those with it as a cause of death on death certificate

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/deaths

So out of those 137 people how many actually died from the virus

This has been done time and time again...

What exactly do you mean? Dying of the virus and nothing else?

Covid attacks the body. It leads to complications that can result in death. This is pretty much what happens with cancer. A relative of mine died last year of a stroke. She was seriously ill having been suffering from cancer. It was the stroke that killed her. Death certificate listed the stroke as the cause and the cancer as a secondary condition. That's the way they do it.

What you need to understand is that many people who died WITH covid would not have died had they not caught it.

"

What he said

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over a year ago

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"Today from Worldometer

Cases 19,000

Deaths 137

We're they covid deaths

Deaths within 28 days of a positive Covid test. That's the definition.

it's broken down here from cases within 28bdays of a test and those with it as a cause of death on death certificate

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/deaths

So out of those 137 people how many actually died from the virus

This has been done time and time again...

What exactly do you mean? Dying of the virus and nothing else?

Covid attacks the body. It leads to complications that can result in death. This is pretty much what happens with cancer. A relative of mine died last year of a stroke. She was seriously ill having been suffering from cancer. It was the stroke that killed her. Death certificate listed the stroke as the cause and the cancer as a secondary condition. That's the way they do it.

What you need to understand is that many people who died WITH covid would not have died had they not caught it.

Okay so they would not of died if they had not caught it. So how many do that leave that covid is killing alone? "

How long is a piece of string?!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Today from Worldometer

Cases 19,000

Deaths 137

We're they covid deaths

Deaths within 28 days of a positive Covid test. That's the definition.

it's broken down here from cases within 28bdays of a test and those with it as a cause of death on death certificate

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/deaths

So out of those 137 people how many actually died from the virus

This has been done time and time again...

What exactly do you mean? Dying of the virus and nothing else?

Covid attacks the body. It leads to complications that can result in death. This is pretty much what happens with cancer. A relative of mine died last year of a stroke. She was seriously ill having been suffering from cancer. It was the stroke that killed her. Death certificate listed the stroke as the cause and the cancer as a secondary condition. That's the way they do it.

What you need to understand is that many people who died WITH covid would not have died had they not caught it.

"

Yes I mean dying of the virus and nothing else

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

also the real crux of the figures is this death with covid 28 days later thing..

You can have covid. recover.. get knocked down by a bus and ir will be a covid death... can't be right

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Today from Worldometer

Cases 19,000

Deaths 137

We're they covid deaths

Deaths within 28 days of a positive Covid test. That's the definition.

it's broken down here from cases within 28bdays of a test and those with it as a cause of death on death certificate

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/deaths

So out of those 137 people how many actually died from the virus

This has been done time and time again...

What exactly do you mean? Dying of the virus and nothing else?

Covid attacks the body. It leads to complications that can result in death. This is pretty much what happens with cancer. A relative of mine died last year of a stroke. She was seriously ill having been suffering from cancer. It was the stroke that killed her. Death certificate listed the stroke as the cause and the cancer as a secondary condition. That's the way they do it.

What you need to understand is that many people who died WITH covid would not have died had they not caught it.

Okay so they would not of died if they had not caught it. So how many do that leave that covid is killing alone?

How long is a piece of string?! "

That depends where you cut it from

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"also the real crux of the figures is this death with covid 28 days later thing..

You can have covid. recover.. get knocked down by a bus and ir will be a covid death... can't be right "

This were the figures are very misleading

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"Today from Worldometer

Cases 19,000

Deaths 137

We're they covid deaths

Deaths within 28 days of a positive Covid test. That's the definition.

it's broken down here from cases within 28bdays of a test and those with it as a cause of death on death certificate

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/deaths

So out of those 137 people how many actually died from the virus

This has been done time and time again...

What exactly do you mean? Dying of the virus and nothing else?

Covid attacks the body. It leads to complications that can result in death. This is pretty much what happens with cancer. A relative of mine died last year of a stroke. She was seriously ill having been suffering from cancer. It was the stroke that killed her. Death certificate listed the stroke as the cause and the cancer as a secondary condition. That's the way they do it.

What you need to understand is that many people who died WITH covid would not have died had they not caught it.

Okay so they would not of died if they had not caught it. So how many do that leave that covid is killing alone?

How long is a piece of string?!

That depends where you cut it from "

Exactly. No one can employ a crystal ball and decree whether someone would have died or not, had they not had Covid. You don't get an appointment with death.

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By *r45678Man
over a year ago

Southport

Your safe on your island don’t worrie, I work in it , it has been hell have you seen some one die of it I have so please don’t go there

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford


"also the real crux of the figures is this death with covid 28 days later thing..

You can have covid. recover.. get knocked down by a bus and ir will be a covid death... can't be right "

You can also get Covid, not recover and eventually die long long after 28 days. Look at Kate Garaways husband, he is still alive but in a bad way long past 28 days

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By *izandpaulCouple
over a year ago

merseyside


"Increased knowledge about the virus and how to treat it, more testing so people are getting diagnosed earlier?"

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By *itzimadCouple
over a year ago

harwich

its infecting young people who survive ,better treatment as they have found what works and care homes etc are sheilding better

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Similar to yesterday

Worldometer figures for UK

Cases 19,000 approx

Deaths 138

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Worldometer today

Cases 16,000

Deaths 150

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Worldometer today

Cases 16,000

Deaths 150"

There are a lot! more than 16 thousand cases and I bet there are nowhere near a 150 deaths directly related to covid.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"? "

I’ll give you a clue:

Day 1 of brand new dangerous virus... omg, we don’t know how to treat this, we will use our best guess work and note outcomes.

Day 280 - we have the experience of 1000’s of patients, we have learned techniques, therapies etc... whilst we still have much to learn, we have improved at saving lives of those infected.

Please don’t introduce any mad conspiracy theories about the virus getting weaker, less harmful etc... that would truly be utter bobbins x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Worldometer today

Cases 16,000

Deaths 150

There are a lot! more than 16 thousand cases and I bet there are nowhere near a 150 deaths directly related to covid.

"

I’ll take your bet Joe, happy to put my entire NHS icu salary on it if you like...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Yes I mean dying of the virus and nothing else "

You do realise generally speaking, all serious covid-19 cases will develop pneumonia, often they may suffer organ failure etc.

Rest assured, you can apply this statement to 99.9% of the deaths recorded:

Without contracting Covid-19 they would still be alive today.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"? "
cos all the schools , colleges and universities have gone back .. young people catching covid but not dying ..

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By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland


"

Yes I mean dying of the virus and nothing else

You do realise generally speaking, all serious covid-19 cases will develop pneumonia, often they may suffer organ failure etc.

Rest assured, you can apply this statement to 99.9% of the deaths recorded:

Without contracting Covid-19 they would still be alive today."

You can repeat this until you are blue in the face. The covidiots have their heads buried in the sand.

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By *izandpaulCouple
over a year ago

merseyside


"

Yes I mean dying of the virus and nothing else

You do realise generally speaking, all serious covid-19 cases will develop pneumonia, often they may suffer organ failure etc.

Rest assured, you can apply this statement to 99.9% of the deaths recorded:

Without contracting Covid-19 they would still be alive today.

You can repeat this until you are blue in the face. The covidiots have their heads buried in the sand."

I'll tell this to the patients I'll see on Monday.

Sure they will laugh out loud between gasping for breath.

Think you will find the death rate will rise but it's the long term damage to "cured" patients in general good health that's becoming cause for concern.

No matter what your take on the virus, I do honestly hope you stay well.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Worldometer today

Cases 16,000

Deaths 150

There are a lot! more than 16 thousand cases and I bet there are nowhere near a 150 deaths directly related to covid.

I’ll take your bet Joe, happy to put my entire NHS icu salary on it if you like..."

What are the 16 thousand cases based on. I mean where are the statistics from, are they new cases this week or what.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"Worldometer today

Cases 16,000

Deaths 150

There are a lot! more than 16 thousand cases and I bet there are nowhere near a 150 deaths directly related to covid.

I’ll take your bet Joe, happy to put my entire NHS icu salary on it if you like...

What are the 16 thousand cases based on. I mean where are the statistics from, are they new cases this week or what. "

They are the number of positive tests recorded yesterday and the number of people who have died within 28 days of receiving a positive test.

Cal

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By *orrow my wifeCouple
over a year ago

Brighton


"

Yes I mean dying of the virus and nothing else

You do realise generally speaking, all serious covid-19 cases will develop pneumonia, often they may suffer organ failure etc.

Rest assured, you can apply this statement to 99.9% of the deaths recorded:

Without contracting Covid-19 they would still be alive today."

Unfortunately this is correct. There is no use discuising these facts

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By *orrow my wifeCouple
over a year ago

Brighton


"Today from Worldometer

Cases 19,000

Deaths 137

We're they covid deaths

Deaths within 28 days of a positive Covid test. That's the definition.

it's broken down here from cases within 28bdays of a test and those with it as a cause of death on death certificate

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/deaths

So out of those 137 people how many actually died from the virus "

All 137 of them unfortunately would be due to Covid

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands


"Worldometer today

Cases 16,000

Deaths 150

There are a lot! more than 16 thousand cases and I bet there are nowhere near a 150 deaths directly related to covid.

I’ll take your bet Joe, happy to put my entire NHS icu salary on it if you like...

What are the 16 thousand cases based on. I mean where are the statistics from, are they new cases this week or what. "

Just a guess but possibly based on test results published daily by PHE

I could be wrong and it might just be a number made up by the BBC to grab attention

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Yes I mean dying of the virus and nothing else

You do realise generally speaking, all serious covid-19 cases will develop pneumonia, often they may suffer organ failure etc.

Rest assured, you can apply this statement to 99.9% of the deaths recorded:

Without contracting Covid-19 they would still be alive today."

You can't prove that either way. With terminal illnesses there is simply a lot of speculation and guess work about when someone dies.

Your argument is a closed flawed one and mostly based on polemics.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Worldometer today for UK

16,000 cases approx

Deaths 67

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Worldometer today for UK

16,000 cases approx

Deaths 67"

as i said in another thread... so fixated on death...

so what is the hospitalised figure?

people are treating being hospitalised like its some sort of holiday camp!

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

A huge proportion of 'cases' are false positive tests.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I find it curious that the argument has changed now from “Covid can kill you “ to “Covid can leave you with long term health problems”

We must be doing something right.

At least the death count is not rising much

But then it suddenly doesn’t seem to matter much any more . . .

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch


"Worldometer today for UK

16,000 cases approx

Deaths 67

as i said in another thread... so fixated on death...

so what is the hospitalised figure?

people are treating being hospitalised like its some sort of holiday camp!"

Just England :-

Patients admitted Friday, 16th October - 632

Patients in hospital as of Sunday, 18th October - 4,974

Patients on ventilation as of Sunday, 18th October - 503

All available on gov.uk for UK whole, countries or NHS regions

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A huge proportion of 'cases' are false positive tests."

No, they aren't. The test is between 95% and 97% percent accurate for testing whether you are negative and approximately 70% accurate for testing whether you do have it. So it is more likely that there are more cases of Covid than are being picked up by the test.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not long ago the scientists were predicting 50,000 cases a day by mid October and deaths in the 1000s again.

Increasing exponentially they said

Hasn’t happened.

But then deaths are not what really matters now it appears.

Now it’s long Covid that’s important apparently.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's down to testing more people so more are detected when they are not showing symptoms. More younger people such as A level school kids & Uni students are mixing and spreading it. They are catching it in mild form and easily recover.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not long ago the scientists were predicting 50,000 cases a day by mid October and deaths in the 1000s again.

Increasing exponentially they said

Hasn’t happened.

But then deaths are not what really matters now it appears.

Now it’s long Covid that’s important apparently. "

Hospital admissions are the real problem, people don’t just drop dead from COVID within 24 hours of catching it

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By *eeBee67Man
over a year ago

Masked and Distant

Originally, the only people being tested were those going into hospital. Those going into hospital were the sickest so more likely to die.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"A huge proportion of 'cases' are false positive tests.

No, they aren't. The test is between 95% and 97% percent accurate for testing whether you are negative and approximately 70% accurate for testing whether you do have it. So it is more likely that there are more cases of Covid than are being picked up by the test."

I didn't say there were not more cases, but up to 50% could still be false positive, so that would make the death rate lower.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

could it be that the younger generation are getting it thats what they are telling us in doncaster

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A huge proportion of 'cases' are false positive tests.

No, they aren't. The test is between 95% and 97% percent accurate for testing whether you are negative and approximately 70% accurate for testing whether you do have it. So it is more likely that there are more cases of Covid than are being picked up by the test.

I didn't say there were not more cases, but up to 50% could still be false positive, so that would make the death rate lower."

Where do you get 50% are false positive? The the test is more likely to tell you wrongly you don't have it when you do than it is to report you have it when you don't. And neither of those percentages are 50%

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not long ago the scientists were predicting 50,000 cases a day by mid October and deaths in the 1000s again.

Increasing exponentially they said

Hasn’t happened.

But then deaths are not what really matters now it appears.

Now it’s long Covid that’s important apparently.

Hospital admissions are the real problem, people don’t just drop dead from COVID within 24 hours of catching it "

*

So we need more hospital beds.

Welcome to 2020 after ten years of the NHS being run down and cut to the bone.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"A huge proportion of 'cases' are false positive tests.

No, they aren't. The test is between 95% and 97% percent accurate for testing whether you are negative and approximately 70% accurate for testing whether you do have it. So it is more likely that there are more cases of Covid than are being picked up by the test.

I didn't say there were not more cases, but up to 50% could still be false positive, so that would make the death rate lower.

Where do you get 50% are false positive? The the test is more likely to tell you wrongly you don't have it when you do than it is to report you have it when you don't. And neither of those percentages are 50%"

Google is your friend.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A huge proportion of 'cases' are false positive tests.

No, they aren't. The test is between 95% and 97% percent accurate for testing whether you are negative and approximately 70% accurate for testing whether you do have it. So it is more likely that there are more cases of Covid than are being picked up by the test.

I didn't say there were not more cases, but up to 50% could still be false positive, so that would make the death rate lower.

Where do you get 50% are false positive? The the test is more likely to tell you wrongly you don't have it when you do than it is to report you have it when you don't. And neither of those percentages are 50%

Google is your friend. "

I don't need to Google how accurate the tests are. I have seen the testing reports that were used to determine its efficacy. I want to know how you arrived at a totally different figure to public health bodies world wide.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"A huge proportion of 'cases' are false positive tests.

No, they aren't. The test is between 95% and 97% percent accurate for testing whether you are negative and approximately 70% accurate for testing whether you do have it. So it is more likely that there are more cases of Covid than are being picked up by the test.

I didn't say there were not more cases, but up to 50% could still be false positive, so that would make the death rate lower.

Where do you get 50% are false positive? The the test is more likely to tell you wrongly you don't have it when you do than it is to report you have it when you don't. And neither of those percentages are 50%

Google is your friend.

I don't need to Google how accurate the tests are. I have seen the testing reports that were used to determine its efficacy. I want to know how you arrived at a totally different figure to public health bodies world wide. "

I haven't, Google is your friend.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It was Julia Hartley-Brewer who erroneously concluded that the vast majority of all positive test results are therefore inaccurate after her interview with Matt Hancock.

Clearly demonstrating the importance of know what is being said as opposed to reinterpreting falsely.

What is far more worrying than false positives is the false negatives. These are the ones that will cause the continual spread and more damage.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A huge proportion of 'cases' are false positive tests.

No, they aren't. The test is between 95% and 97% percent accurate for testing whether you are negative and approximately 70% accurate for testing whether you do have it. So it is more likely that there are more cases of Covid than are being picked up by the test.

I didn't say there were not more cases, but up to 50% could still be false positive, so that would make the death rate lower.

Where do you get 50% are false positive? The the test is more likely to tell you wrongly you don't have it when you do than it is to report you have it when you don't. And neither of those percentages are 50%

Google is your friend.

I don't need to Google how accurate the tests are. I have seen the testing reports that were used to determine its efficacy. I want to know how you arrived at a totally different figure to public health bodies world wide.

I haven't, Google is your friend. "

Then whatever junk you are googling is wrong. I'll stick with actual fact from multiple international and governmental health bodies thanks.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"A huge proportion of 'cases' are false positive tests.

No, they aren't. The test is between 95% and 97% percent accurate for testing whether you are negative and approximately 70% accurate for testing whether you do have it. So it is more likely that there are more cases of Covid than are being picked up by the test.

I didn't say there were not more cases, but up to 50% could still be false positive, so that would make the death rate lower.

Where do you get 50% are false positive? The the test is more likely to tell you wrongly you don't have it when you do than it is to report you have it when you don't. And neither of those percentages are 50%

Google is your friend.

I don't need to Google how accurate the tests are. I have seen the testing reports that were used to determine its efficacy. I want to know how you arrived at a totally different figure to public health bodies world wide. "

You have misunderstood the reports then. Do some more research or remain ignorant, I care not either way.

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"I'd hazard a guess more people are (finally)being tested .

How do that explain lower death statistics?

Because the medical world has learnt how to better treat covid.

Unfortunately the public haven’t learned a thing except to blame the government rather than themselves. "

People just amaze me,,, blame Joe public because they and not the government where not buying enough ppe,,,, then the public altered the figures that were being tested and killed,,, then the public said go back to work it's only rife in the old peoples homes and it's ok because Boris's dads going abroad to isolate,,, need I go on Because I CAN, like the public saying we won't listen to the science to circuit break although the government said we must,,, then the public said we will have a 3 tier in merseyside And Lancashire, but you can't go in a gym but can in soft play area if your in Merseyside, but if your In Lancashire you can go to the gym but not in the soft play area,,,, I've not even mentioned where the public mislaid the 14,000 positive people,,, really hope it's in a house in Skye with that other idiot,,,, hope you all stay safe, sorry for rant but mother in hospital dying, caught it in hospital,,,

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