FabSwingers.com forum: Does anyone know anyone though?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Bit of a touchy one but does anyone actually know somebody who has died from JUST covid and without other health problems. My condolences to anybody who has been affected by the virus. But i dont know anybody who knows somebody who has died because of the virus. i know people who have tested positive for the virus and have sufferd with bad flu symptoms but recoverd fine after a week in bed but anyways stay safe

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By *orthern StarsCouple
over a year ago

Durham

The numbers of people dying from Covid are also misleading, as deaths are recorded as deaths from Covid, even if Covid has only been a contributing factor.

So, for example, someone could be terminally ill with lung cancer and in intensive care with that, then catch Covid, which would accelerate the death.

That death would then be put down to Covid, even though it was cancer.

It's all very misleading and contributes to the scaremongering.

We really wish people would think for themselves a little and look at the bigger picture.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Bit of a touchy one but does anyone actually know somebody who has died from JUST covid and without other health problems. My condolences to anybody who has been affected by the virus. But i dont know anybody who knows somebody who has died because of the virus. i know people who have tested positive for the virus and have sufferd with bad flu symptoms but recoverd fine after a week in bed but anyways stay safe "

My friends uncle died, he was 56, he had asthma but without COVID he wouldn’t have died

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By *oson-BlueCouple
over a year ago

North Kent

Yes sadly I do know of 2 people who actually died from covid and had no other health issues, my best friends son died aged 35 and one of my mums friends who was just over 60. As far as any of us were aware they had no health issues at all

Ms B

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By *heshire-cat74Woman
over a year ago

Stoke on Trent

Yes my cousin died from covid he had no underlying conditions I also think that I had it back in march but I'm still suffering now months on it's not just a bad flu

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By *uietlykinkymeWoman
over a year ago

kinky land

I don't know anyone that has died of covid, I don't know anyone that ever had more than a flu type covid. (At the worst)

I know lots of people who had covid (confirmed with a positive test or blood test after) I know a few people waiting for a test and test results right now.

I only know a teeny amount of the countries population though and testing was and still is, a joke

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Bit of a touchy one but does anyone actually know somebody who has died from JUST covid and without other health problems. "

No.

I've only known one person who's been properly diagnosed with COVID-19 in hospital and it took him around 16 weeks to get fully fit again.

2nd person I know was unable to get tested or seen by a doctor but has been diagnosed retrospectively as having had covid-19 and it took them around 7 weeks to fully recover.

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

"The numbers of people dying from Covid are also misleading, as deaths are recorded as deaths from Covid, even if Covid has only been a contributing factor.

So, for example, someone could be terminally ill with lung cancer and in intensive care with that, then catch Covid, which would accelerate the death.

That death would then be put down to Covid, even though it was cancer.

It's all very misleading and contributes to the scaremongering.

We really wish people would think for themselves a little and look at the bigger picture. "

People don't usually die of cancer. They generally die from complications of cancer. Everyone should look at the bigger picture. The final death toll of covid won't be know for many many years, younger people who sadly die of covid damage to their kidneys lungs heart or brain won't die for many years but covid will accelerate their deaths. One thing is for certain covid will be the biggest cause of preventable death in the uk this year.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Sorry to the ones that have passed then but i still think its all over hyped and theres a bigger picture. They dont perform autopsys so we will never know the real cause. and The masks they demand us to wear kill us off more than virus. Breathing back in the dirty toxins we're supposed to breath out

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By *lik and PaulCouple
over a year ago

Flagrante

Yes I know one but a few more that have caught it with two still struggling after a few weeks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sorry to the ones that have passed then but i still think its all over hyped and theres a bigger picture. They dont perform autopsys so we will never know the real cause. and The masks they demand us to wear kill us off more than virus. Breathing back in the dirty toxins we're supposed to breath out"

No they don’t,

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By *lik and PaulCouple
over a year ago

Flagrante

Bullshit

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By *incskittenWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

I know 2 people who died of covid. One aged 42 and the other 58 ....both with no underlying illness .

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By *incskittenWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The problem with some underlying health problems if that they can often be picked up during a post mortem. Someone may have been totally unaware they were living with a condition until it contributes to their death. If a death it being linked to covid then I don't think post mortems are being carried out. So some people who may have died with covid could possibly have had underlying health issues they never knew about

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By *incskittenWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

Do you wear a mask ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If Covid has accelerated their death, then they have died due to Covid.

If someone had an underlying heath issue which they previously managed and was able to live a normal life but was worsened due to Covid and died, then they have died due to Covid.

I don't understand the mental gymnastics people are doing to try and downplay the Covid numbers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The problem with some underlying health problems if that they can often be picked up during a post mortem. Someone may have been totally unaware they were living with a condition until it contributes to their death. If a death it being linked to covid then I don't think post mortems are being carried out. So some people who may have died with covid could possibly have had underlying health issues they never knew about

True, but it was COVID that ultimately killed them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Where did you hear this? In a pub?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

So you don't know anyone or even someone else who knows anyone who has died from covid but you know if others who have died inhaling 'dirty toxins'?

Do you mean co2?

I know of two who were severe, one expected not to make it but got through and both have long covid symptoms which they are still finding out about..

Two others were mild and doing ok..

And three family members dealing with covid patients in the NHS, they have seen enough..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Nope never have and never will. It is what it is there no point hiding behind a mask. where all going the same place in the end

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I always seen to see a innocently op asking what at first I view with a little scepticism.

Only to find a little further down that my first thoughts were warranted...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

True, but it was COVID that ultimately killed them "

I'm not a doctor or a coroner so I wouldn't know the cause of death nor pretend to either. I was just pointing out that there could be a large number of people who have sadly died with other underlying health problems they never knew about which will never be picked up on in the usual way due to the lack of post mortems

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Im not saying NO ONE has died from it im trying to say there making it bigger than it actually is and no i dont no anybody who has died from Co2 actually i seen a doctor on live news in america saying how bad it is for you to wear a mask 24/7

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"The numbers of people dying from Covid are also misleading, as deaths are recorded as deaths from Covid, even if Covid has only been a contributing factor.

So, for example, someone could be terminally ill with lung cancer and in intensive care with that, then catch Covid, which would accelerate the death.

That death would then be put down to Covid, even though it was cancer.

It's all very misleading and contributes to the scaremongering.

We really wish people would think for themselves a little and look at the bigger picture. "

My Dad died of a severe stomach infection which led to organ failure and that killed him but the organ failure was caused by the initial issue..

Essentially we all die of lack of breath and I think some and others like yourself might want that to be the cause of all but the realities are more complicated than just that simplistic reason..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"and The masks they demand us to wear kill us off more than virus. Breathing back in the dirty toxins we're supposed to breath out"

Congratulations, for services to factual debate you've just been awarded the Internet

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"The numbers of people dying from Covid are also misleading, as deaths are recorded as deaths from Covid, even if Covid has only been a contributing factor.

So, for example, someone could be terminally ill with lung cancer and in intensive care with that, then catch Covid, which would accelerate the death.

That death would then be put down to Covid, even though it was cancer.

It's all very misleading and contributes to the scaremongering.

We really wish people would think for themselves a little and look at the bigger picture. "

Yeah..

They aren't though are they?.

On the gov website they are shown as "deaths within 28 days of a positive test"

Or "deaths with covid on the death certificate".

Not really sure what your point is. If it's semantics of how we count deaths. I'm not sure there is a better way. What you say of covid is equally true of some cancers or indeed many other illnesses. My dad died of pneumonia,cause of death pneumonia, but it was a 3 year fight with cancer that put him there, cancer mentioned on certificate and both were relevany. It is not black and white, but shades of grey in many cases.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Im not saying NO ONE has died from it im trying to say there making it bigger than it actually is and no i dont no anybody who has died from Co2 actually i seen a doctor on live news in america saying how bad it is for you to wear a mask 24/7 "

Who is wearing a mask 24/7 ?

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By *incskittenWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

Ah must be true then !

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By *wist my nipplesCouple
over a year ago

North East Scotland, mostly

Who’s wearing a mask 24/7? Mr.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hang on 24/7...I know of no one who sleeps with a mask on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nope never have and never will. It is what it is there no point hiding behind a mask. where all going the same place in the end "

Very possibly much quicker for some people because of your attitude to protecting others

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By *lik and PaulCouple
over a year ago

Flagrante

Nobody wears a mask 24/7.... Just going into shops and other indoor outlets. Shop staff will wear them longer than the general public and funnily enough doctors and nurses too so not sure where your American doctor is getting his information from.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Hang on 24/7...I know of no one who sleeps with a mask on

Doctor deviant might be..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Rubbish, otherwise every surgeon, painter and motorcycle rider with a helmet would be suffering.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hang on 24/7...I know of no one who sleeps with a mask on

Doctor deviant might be..

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By *incskittenWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

"Nope never have and never will. It is what it is there no point hiding behind a mask. where all going the same place in the end "

I'm presuming you dont go out then as almost everywhere requires a mask to enter.?

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By *lik and PaulCouple
over a year ago

Flagrante

"Nope never have and never will. It is what it is there no point hiding behind a mask. where all going the same place in the end

I'm presuming you dont go out then as almost everywhere requires a mask to enter.? "

Probably be safer for the rest of us

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By *he-Hosiery-GentMan
over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy

My uncle already had dementia caught Covid after being admitted to a care home and died.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"The numbers of people dying from Covid are also misleading, as deaths are recorded as deaths from Covid, even if Covid has only been a contributing factor.

So, for example, someone could be terminally ill with lung cancer and in intensive care with that, then catch Covid, which would accelerate the death.

That death would then be put down to Covid, even though it was cancer.

It's all very misleading and contributes to the scaremongering.

We really wish people would think for themselves a little and look at the bigger picture. "

I dont think it is misleading at all. Once you stop and think of what happens and what is recorded on a death certificate and why it is really simple statistically. The key point is that the way people die and what is recorded on the death certificate doesnt follow the simple tick box narrative that you seem to want to fit it to.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

Who’s wearing a mask 24/7? Mr. "

Apparently a Dr on TV in America is... Dr No perhaps.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

24/7 365 days a year the guy next door to me has his mask on for haha he sleeps with it on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nope never have and never will. It is what it is there no point hiding behind a mask. where all going the same place in the end "

And your the type of person who will be responsible for further and more restrictive lock downs, why are you so scared of wearing a mask?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I suffer asthma so i dont need to wear a mask

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By *ntrepid ExplorersCouple
over a year ago

Birmingham

toxins like....?

Fool.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"24/7 365 days a year the guy next door to me has his mask on for haha he sleeps with it on "

Ah ok, I get it now, you were obviously being sarcastic from the start

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wear a mask for 12 hours at a time in work (changing it when required) and so far the worst I've got is a few spots and a permanently dry/rough throat. Nothing sinister

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"24/7 365 days a year the guy next door to me has his mask on for haha he sleeps with it on "

What shit are you smoking?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I suffer asthma so i dont need to wear a mask "

Of course you do? if you do suffer from asthma your probably at a higher risk and you must appreciate other people wearing masks to protect you?

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By *incskittenWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

"I suffer asthma so i dont need to wear a mask "

Dont need to or cant be arsed to ? I know people with asthma who can still and do wear masks. I dont know your situation I'm just curious.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I suffer asthma so i dont need to wear a mask

Dont need to or cant be arsed to ? I know people with asthma who can still and do wear masks. I dont know your situation I'm just curious. "

I think he is just on the ‘wind up’ I wouldn’t take him seriously

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I was being serious i appreciate the debate untill next time

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By *incskittenWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

"I suffer asthma so i dont need to wear a mask

Dont need to or cant be arsed to ? I know people with asthma who can still and do wear masks. I dont know your situation I'm just curious.

I think he is just on the ‘wind up’ I wouldn’t take him seriously

Ignorance can be damaging too ..dont you agree ?

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"I suffer asthma so i dont need to wear a mask

Dont need to or cant be arsed to ? I know people with asthma who can still and do wear masks. I dont know your situation I'm just curious.

I think he is just on the ‘wind up’ I wouldn’t take him seriously

Ignorance can be damaging too ..dont you agree ?"

Probably more damaging than all things, as we can see it leads to people taking sides and falling out where they may not have done... I know these fora are not the B and end all... But I'd assume a reasonable cross section for what's happening out there. Some people (me in that group) have become very unforgiving and much less tolerant as we have dragged this out all by ourselves.

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By *he-Hosiery-GentMan
over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy

"My uncle already had dementia caught Covid after being admitted to a care home and died. "

But, I can still see the bigger picture & realise our only realistic way out of this is through a building up through the community of natural immunity to the virus.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My uncle already had dementia caught Covid after being admitted to a care home and died.

But, I can still see the bigger picture & realise our only realistic way out of this is through a building up through the community of natural immunity to the virus. "

How? the U.K would need 40-50 million people to be infected and recover for herd immunity to work

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

Yes I’m a teacher the losses have been great already .....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i sometime work at a big indoor shopping mall and have to try and get people to wear masks so many people lying that they have asthma. that's the true pandemic lol. (joke)

i have a condition that a mask don't exactly help with but i still wear it on a twelve hour shift

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

and a colleague of Cs has had more than one family member die of the virus

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

My uncle died and was generally fit and strong.

It's not just the awful death levels that are significant. This virus inflicts severe damage to other organs, including kidneys, heart, brain as well as the lungs. This can happen for people who have had only mild symptoms and the vast majority have not been evaluated by their health professionals. The costs of long-term or permanent treatments, including kidney dialysis etc have not been calculated by those who want the virus to rip through society in the slightest. People who have cognitive impairments and disabilities will also have a significant reduction in their quality lives.

Many people who are vulnerable to coronavirus and comorbidities also do not know this. Blood pressure issues are often undiagnosed, for example.

It's both the deaths and pervasive damages to others' health that is at the crux of this - and at the time when we do not know what the effects of such people having repeated infections will be. When we are ignorant but know that the current damage is catastrophic to so many people, that our health service will not cope well with even slight increases from current infection levels, it's sheer stupidity stemming from ignorance for anyone who's not selfishly motivated to want to throw caution to the wind.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I suffer asthma so i dont need to wear a mask "

You best get shielding then, see you in 2089

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yes that's funny thing with being at work and handing out exemption stickers . if i had asthma id deffo wear a mask.. at least in short bursts.. kinda at risk

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By *c69funCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield

"I suffer asthma so i dont need to wear a mask "

Thats where the government aren't pushing their advice enough, you should be wearing a visor than instead, same for those who can't wear masks through anxiety.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The numbers of people dying from Covid are also misleading, as deaths are recorded as deaths from Covid, even if Covid has only been a contributing factor.

So, for example, someone could be terminally ill with lung cancer and in intensive care with that, then catch Covid, which would accelerate the death.

That death would then be put down to Covid, even though it was cancer.

It's all very misleading and contributes to the scaremongering.

We really wish people would think for themselves a little and look at the bigger picture. "

if i have breast cancer, and a car runs me over and gets me first ... does it mean the car killed me or the cancer did?

what about if i didnt have cancer but i had asthma?

an underlying condition doesnt mean you are imminently on your death bed

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By *oson-BlueCouple
over a year ago

North Kent

"Nope never have and never will. It is what it is there no point hiding behind a mask. where all going the same place in the end

Very possibly much quicker for some people because of your attitude to protecting others

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

My son watched several young, healthy and fit people who had slight difficulty breathing in hospital sitting up in bed and talking and messaging friends and family laughing and smiling and many of them were in ICU 15 minutes later, it's a sad reality that because you don't see it is hard to believe.

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

"I suffer asthma so i dont need to wear a mask "

Are you aware of a website called "asthma uk" ?

You should take your advice on wearing masks from them and not Sandra down at Tesco.

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

"The numbers of people dying from Covid are also misleading, as deaths are recorded as deaths from Covid, even if Covid has only been a contributing factor.

So, for example, someone could be terminally ill with lung cancer and in intensive care with that, then catch Covid, which would accelerate the death.

That death would then be put down to Covid, even though it was cancer.

It's all very misleading and contributes to the scaremongering.

We really wish people would think for themselves a little and look at the bigger picture. "

Did you hear that in the pub or read it on Facebook ? Either way it's untrue and a very dangerous belief.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nope never have and never will. It is what it is there no point hiding behind a mask. where all going the same place in the end "

it's tinfoil hat wearing idiots like you that cause most of the problems battling this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The numbers of people dying from Covid are also misleading, as deaths are recorded as deaths from Covid, even if Covid has only been a contributing factor.

So, for example, someone could be terminally ill with lung cancer and in intensive care with that, then catch Covid, which would accelerate the death.

That death would then be put down to Covid, even though it was cancer.

It's all very misleading and contributes to the scaremongering.

We really wish people would think for themselves a little and look at the bigger picture. "

Actually the gov.uk covid page is now showing a separate "covid on the death certificate" number, which is much higher than the "deaths from covid" number. Bigger picture

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the problem is its too invisible. People don't see ill people around so don't believe it. Even a single cough to clear your throat gets daggers

its a dangerous balancing act this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If that’s true, why do all medical professionals wear masks when performing surgery? Surely you wouldn’t want someone operating on you if they were at risk or being impaired by toxins?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Old acquaintance died as a direct result. A friend very ill (worse than pneumonia he'd suffered) and a couple, including son currently asymptomatic. I'm hedging my bets but still doing exceeding the speed limit over those peak district hills

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By *evaquitCouple
over a year ago

Catthorpe

*** never mind me, just trawling the forums looking for a tool and found one on my travels, be on my way..............

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"*** never mind me, just trawling the forums looking for a tool and found one on my travels, be on my way.............."

“ Every stop I make, I’ll make a new friend

Can’t stay for long, just turn around and I’m gone again.”

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You all know this covid is not going away this is here to stay now and we got to learn to live with it .

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By *ockman and ThrobbinCouple
over a year ago

Ilford

This last statement is nuts. I am a professor of virology and I can assure you that whoever told you this or wherever you learnt this is absolutely and categorically untrue.

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By *ommenhimCouple
over a year ago

wigan

Yes I’m a teacher the losses have been great already ..... "

Very educational post....

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By *ommenhimCouple
over a year ago

wigan

If that’s true, why do all medical professionals wear masks when performing surgery? Surely you wouldn’t want someone operating on you if they were at risk or being impaired by toxins? "

I’d assume there was a protocol for donning and doffing the mask that was strictly adhered to. I would doubt that they would put a hanky over their face, from their pocket, then spend an hour in Asda adjusting and readjusting because it’s steamed up their glasses before checking which pineapple is ripe! Though to be fair .... I have sat In discussion with a medical professional, who performs surgery, for four hours today who constantly did the same as joe public!

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By *imi100Woman
over a year ago

Northampton

My lovely fwb died in April from covid aged 53

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By *inkershoes69Woman
over a year ago

maidstone

"I suffer asthma so i dont need to wear a mask

Dont need to or cant be arsed to ? I know people with asthma who can still and do wear masks. I dont know your situation I'm just curious. "
i have copd and still wear a mask im protecting myself

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By *amish SMan
over a year ago

Eastleigh

Yes, he was in his 70's, did not comply with the advice for those who were vulnerable.

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By *ooking219682Couple
over a year ago

on tour

1 colleague died from it.

3 parents of colleagues died from it.

Its all very real. Spend some time in the Red areas of your local DGH and you'll wear your mask & wash your hands.

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over a year ago

let's be honest if you didn't watch TV or read the news paper or listen to the radio or use social media you wouldn't even know there was a pandemic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

well apart from the stupid masks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Stupid mask's??? "Come on" moronic attitudes more like!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The numbers of people dying from Covid are also misleading, as deaths are recorded as deaths from Covid, even if Covid has only been a contributing factor.

So, for example, someone could be terminally ill with lung cancer and in intensive care with that, then catch Covid, which would accelerate the death.

That death would then be put down to Covid, even though it was cancer.

It's all very misleading and contributes to the scaremongering.

We really wish people would think for themselves a little and look at the bigger picture. "

It really is not misleading, if it contributed to someone's demise is is simply on the certificate as a factor . The cancer would also be stated.

I cannot see any confusion?

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By *ir-spunk-alotMan
over a year ago

Southern England

"The numbers of people dying from Covid are also misleading, as deaths are recorded as deaths from Covid, even if Covid has only been a contributing factor.

So, for example, someone could be terminally ill with lung cancer and in intensive care with that, then catch Covid, which would accelerate the death.

That death would then be put down to Covid, even though it was cancer.

It's all very misleading and contributes to the scaremongering.

We really wish people would think for themselves a little and look at the bigger picture. "
How many cases have there been of this nature or similar? Do you know the answer or is it a worthless point you are trying to make.

My uncle has terminal cancer, heart issues and is over 70. If he catches covid today and dies within two weeks then its covid that killed him not his terminal cancer.

Just because someone has an underlying health condition its doesn't and shouldn’t be an early death sentence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"let's be honest if you didn't watch TV or read the news paper or listen to the radio or use social media you wouldn't even know there was a pandemic"

Pleas tell me your being sarcastic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"let's be honest if you didn't watch TV or read the news paper or listen to the radio or use social media you wouldn't even know there was a pandemic"

If you never went out or talked to anyone you mean and stayed in line isolation??

You could say that about any disaster if you bury your head in the sand and dont look beyond your own personal life.

Apart from the fact 45k have died, and hundreds of thousands have been ill?

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

"let's be honest if you didn't watch TV or read the news paper or listen to the radio or use social media you wouldn't even know there was a pandemic

Pleas tell me your being sarcastic

Or braindead

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No they don't !!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If Covid has accelerated their death, then they have died due to Covid.

If someone had an underlying heath issue which they previously managed and was able to live a normal life but was worsened due to Covid and died, then they have died due to Covid.

I don't understand the mental gymnastics people are doing to try and downplay the Covid numbers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A colleagues dad. He was in a care home that was essentially a death trap during the first wave.

he was in his 70's and had previously had a stroke but he was actually healthier than he had been for a long time before hit with covid

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nope never have and never will. It is what it is there no point hiding behind a mask. where all going the same place in the end

I'm presuming you dont go out then as almost everywhere requires a mask to enter.?

Probably be safer for the rest of us"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I suffer asthma so i dont need to wear a mask "

I have severe, difficult to control asthma and i manage fine in a mask !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know several who have died.

I also know people who are suffering long term problems due to it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I suffer asthma so i dont need to wear a mask "
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So do I and you can breath though it!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know of three people who tested positive but all three were asymptomatic. I don’t know of anyone who has died with it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You only what the media tell you. Sheep

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You only what the media tell you. Sheep

I wish someone would baaah you from the thread

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You only what the media tell you. Sheep

I wish someone would baaah you from the thread

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lol you wish mate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You only what the media tell you. Sheep

I personally know people who have died and also people who have long term problems due to covid

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire

Know a few who’ve had it ... all said apart from one it was a bad cold the worst one likened it to flu ... the numbers are manipulated think it’s 370 who have actually died from it that figure is on NHS website .. average age of dying from it is 82 !!

Can all be checked out

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire

"You only what the media tell you. Sheep

I wish someone would baaah you from the thread

lol you wish mate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have had a family member die at 65 due to covid and know of many others through work those through work were older and may of had underlying issues

People I know through work have been present when 20 and 30 odd year olds with no health issues have passed away

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nope never have and never will. It is what it is there no point hiding behind a mask. where all going the same place in the end

I'm presuming you dont go out then as almost everywhere requires a mask to enter.? "
and be prepared to fork out for all those fines you bring upon yourself if you do venture out with your attitude

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes 100% true fact, mother who gave birth to baby daughter and with in 2 days it was ruled out shes got covid and started having breathing issues was on ventilator then and then died 9 days after leaving her new born and 2 little children, this was in april

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By *ommenhimCouple
over a year ago

wigan

"The numbers of people dying from Covid are also misleading, as deaths are recorded as deaths from Covid, even if Covid has only been a contributing factor.

So, for example, someone could be terminally ill with lung cancer and in intensive care with that, then catch Covid, which would accelerate the death.

That death would then be put down to Covid, even though it was cancer.

It's all very misleading and contributes to the scaremongering.

We really wish people would think for themselves a little and look at the bigger picture.

It really is not misleading, if it contributed to someone's demise is is simply on the certificate as a factor . The cancer would also be stated.

I cannot see any confusion?"

Just had a thought.... if it contributed.. or was present? And when the ONS is carefully and accurately collating its figures... how are co morbidities reported? When we say Bob died from a,b and c.... which goes foremost into cause of death? (For once asking a genuine question) how do we separate Bobs cancer from his Covid ?

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

Most people I know ask this x

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"The numbers of people dying from Covid are also misleading, as deaths are recorded as deaths from Covid, even if Covid has only been a contributing factor.

So, for example, someone could be terminally ill with lung cancer and in intensive care with that, then catch Covid, which would accelerate the death.

That death would then be put down to Covid, even though it was cancer.

It's all very misleading and contributes to the scaremongering.

We really wish people would think for themselves a little and look at the bigger picture.

It really is not misleading, if it contributed to someone's demise is is simply on the certificate as a factor . The cancer would also be stated.

I cannot see any confusion?

The death cert will usually have the principle cause(s) of death with an I next to them, listed as Ia, Ib etc eg. I - pulmonary embolism and then any contributory causes with II next to them eg. IIa - adenocarcinoma of the oesophagus. Covid might be a principle or contributing cause.

The Oxford Centre for Evidence Based Medicine explains more in a fairly recent article called "Death certificate data: COVID-19 as the underlying cause of death"

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By *ommenhimCouple
over a year ago

wigan

"The numbers of people dying from Covid are also misleading, as deaths are recorded as deaths from Covid, even if Covid has only been a contributing factor.

So, for example, someone could be terminally ill with lung cancer and in intensive care with that, then catch Covid, which would accelerate the death.

That death would then be put down to Covid, even though it was cancer.

It's all very misleading and contributes to the scaremongering.

We really wish people would think for themselves a little and look at the bigger picture.

It really is not misleading, if it contributed to someone's demise is is simply on the certificate as a factor . The cancer would also be stated.

I cannot see any confusion?

The Oxford Centre for Evidence Based Medicine explains more in a fairly recent article called "Death certificate data: COVID-19 as the underlying cause of death" "

Ah ok so the principle cause of death would be the one to hit headline figures!

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By *ookMan
over a year ago

london

2 suicides... one very close friend and one a 29 year old. Totally tragic waste caused indirectly by covid but not recorded in the covid death figures obviously.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My son's friends girlfriends dad died of it..In his forties no previous health issues.

My Ex husband's partners friend died of it too...he had a digestive disorder x

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By *herryblossom_BJWoman
over a year ago

Oxfordshire/Hampshire

"The numbers of people dying from Covid are also misleading, as deaths are recorded as deaths from Covid, even if Covid has only been a contributing factor.

So, for example, someone could be terminally ill with lung cancer and in intensive care with that, then catch Covid, which would accelerate the death.

That death would then be put down to Covid, even though it was cancer.

It's all very misleading and contributes to the scaremongering.

We really wish people would think for themselves a little and look at the bigger picture. "

This could go the other way. Someone with diabetes, well maintained with insulin and lived a healthy life. Dies because they got covid.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"2 suicides... one very close friend and one a 29 year old. Totally tragic waste caused indirectly by covid but not recorded in the covid death figures obviously. "

Though I didn't know them, 2 local girls 16 and 17 suicides a week apart . There have been several well known people commit suicide recently too...

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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago

Longridge

Yes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"2 suicides... one very close friend and one a 29 year old. Totally tragic waste caused indirectly by covid but not recorded in the covid death figures obviously. "

im sorry for your loss and apologise if how i discuss this offends

we have people above posting about how if you die with covid when you already had an underlying condition such as cancer then thats not really covid related death as though it is an acceptable number

i would assume your friends already had some mental health issues... to go from an entirely healthy mind to suicide and entirely attribute it covid i feel is a bit of a leap and no different to people saying the covid situation accelerated a cancer that was already there

now i will say that i don’t think either death is an acceptable loss , but this never seems to be an angle that people consider ... perfectly mentally healthy people don’t just kill themselves after a hard 6 months

we need to find a way where we can restrict covid, continue to treat physical illness (like cancers etc) and while we are finding the money to throw at furlough, we also need to find cash to throw at mental health as it was an issue long before covid but much like the other waiting lists going up in hospitals, it will be exacerbated by covid and we need to make sure funding is not the reason anyone misses out on the help and care they need

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By *sa skiptonMan
over a year ago

Skipton

I think if that was the case alot of people who have to wear ppe constantly for there work would have health problems right?.

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over a year ago

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"The numbers of people dying from Covid are also misleading, as deaths are recorded as deaths from Covid, even if Covid has only been a contributing factor.

So, for example, someone could be terminally ill with lung cancer and in intensive care with that, then catch Covid, which would accelerate the death.

That death would then be put down to Covid, even though it was cancer.

It's all very misleading and contributes to the scaremongering.

We really wish people would think for themselves a little and look at the bigger picture.

It really is not misleading, if it contributed to someone's demise is is simply on the certificate as a factor . The cancer would also be stated.

I cannot see any confusion?

The Oxford Centre for Evidence Based Medicine explains more in a fairly recent article called "Death certificate data: COVID-19 as the underlying cause of death"

Ah ok so the principle cause of death would be the one to hit headline figures! "

I'm not sure what hits the headlines to be honest. I'd imagine that the "of Covid" reports are where its the principle cause and the "with Covid" is where it contributed. My understanding is that it's a contributory cause more often than the principle, but that's because, for example, blood clots eg pulmonary embolism are perhaps the thing that cut the oxygen supply off and the person died, but they'd never have had a pulmonary embolism if they didn't have Covid, a disease now known to cause increased blood clotting.

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

Some people have a terrific imagination and have been putting it to misuse

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"let's be honest if you didn't watch TV or read the news paper or listen to the radio or use social media you wouldn't even know there was a pandemic"

seriously was you born this stupid or just an attention seeker?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I bet the covid deniers here are the same idiots we see every day posting statuses asking for a meet...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My friends dad died at the age of 62 from covid.

He'd been in hospital because of Appendicitis. He wasn't ill other than that and certainly wasn't dying from it.

My aunt's brother in law died at the age of 52 from covid.

He had well managed type diabetes and certainly wasn't ill and wouldn't have died from that if he hadn't contracted covid.

People have a distorted view and think that people who have died of covid only have a matter of months anyway and that really isn't the case often.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I suffer asthma so i dont need to wear a mask

Thats where the government aren't pushing their advice enough, you should be wearing a visor than instead, same for those who can't wear masks through anxiety. "

Urm nope.

The government has made it very clear there is a list of people who are exempt and they do not have to wear a visor because a visor without a mask is pointless.

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By *candiumWoman
over a year ago

oban

I don't know anyone who has died from it. I don't know anyone who had had it either.

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By *ommenhimCouple
over a year ago

wigan

"The numbers of people dying from Covid are also misleading, as deaths are recorded as deaths from Covid, even if Covid has only been a contributing factor.

So, for example, someone could be terminally ill with lung cancer and in intensive care with that, then catch Covid, which would accelerate the death.

That death would then be put down to Covid, even though it was cancer.

It's all very misleading and contributes to the scaremongering.

We really wish people would think for themselves a little and look at the bigger picture.

It really is not misleading, if it contributed to someone's demise is is simply on the certificate as a factor . The cancer would also be stated.

I cannot see any confusion?

The Oxford Centre for Evidence Based Medicine explains more in a fairly recent article called "Death certificate data: COVID-19 as the underlying cause of death"

Ah ok so the principle cause of death would be the one to hit headline figures!

So it’s still a bit sketchy then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

pubs in north-west to be closed for 4 weeks.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"The numbers of people dying from Covid are also misleading, as deaths are recorded as deaths from Covid, even if Covid has only been a contributing factor.

So, for example, someone could be terminally ill with lung cancer and in intensive care with that, then catch Covid, which would accelerate the death.

That death would then be put down to Covid, even though it was cancer.

It's all very misleading and contributes to the scaremongering.

We really wish people would think for themselves a little and look at the bigger picture.

It really is not misleading, if it contributed to someone's demise is is simply on the certificate as a factor . The cancer would also be stated.

I cannot see any confusion?

The Oxford Centre for Evidence Based Medicine explains more in a fairly recent article called "Death certificate data: COVID-19 as the underlying cause of death"

Ah ok so the principle cause of death would be the one to hit headline figures!

So it’s still a bit sketchy then? "

Its not sketchy. Its just that any reference to death certificates will include any cause on the certificate, both principle and contributory causes. I'm not sure that the ONS are differentiating between different 'levels' of cause? But then I don't know enough about how the ONS is using death cert data.

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By *ommenhimCouple
over a year ago

wigan

"The numbers of people dying from Covid are also misleading, as deaths are recorded as deaths from Covid, even if Covid has only been a contributing factor.

So, for example, someone could be terminally ill with lung cancer and in intensive care with that, then catch Covid, which would accelerate the death.

That death would then be put down to Covid, even though it was cancer.

It's all very misleading and contributes to the scaremongering.

We really wish people would think for themselves a little and look at the bigger picture.

It really is not misleading, if it contributed to someone's demise is is simply on the certificate as a factor . The cancer would also be stated.

I cannot see any confusion?

The Oxford Centre for Evidence Based Medicine explains more in a fairly recent article called "Death certificate data: COVID-19 as the underlying cause of death"

Ah ok so the principle cause of death would be the one to hit headline figures!

So it’s still a bit sketchy then?

It’s sketchy! I’ve just been reading the ONS data sets and it’s explanation of figures and how they are collated is... sketchy!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think many many more people will now say that yes they do.

Are you 2 people between March and December I now know 15!

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By *ooo wet tight hornyWoman
over a year ago

lancashire

My Sisters neighbor who was a teacher caught covid at work from a pupil at junior school, she was very ill in hospital and died from it nothing else...she was 57..

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over a year ago

My Sisters neighbor who was a teacher caught covid at work from a pupil at junior school, she was very ill in hospital and died from it nothing else...she was 57..

Oh that is sad, im sorry. X

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

Technically, the only thing anyone dies from is permanent cardiac arrest.

Tragically that is sometimes concurrent with multiple injuries in fatal accidents.

Covid is just one of many contributory factors and the newest kid on the block.

I wonder what cause gets entered in the coroner's paper work?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Technically, the only thing anyone dies from is permanent cardiac arrest.

Tragically that is sometimes concurrent with multiple injuries in fatal accidents.

Covid is just one of many contributory factors and the newest kid on the block.

I wonder what cause gets entered in the coroner's paper work?"

Actually that’s incorrect a person can die from respiratory arrest also.

A friend of a friend passed away the week before last he was 48 no underlying conditions and left behind two young children.

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By *ooo wet tight hornyWoman
over a year ago

lancashire

My Sisters neighbor who was a teacher caught covid at work from a pupil at junior school, she was very ill in hospital and died from it nothing else...she was 57..

Oh that is sad, im sorry. X"

Ahh that's nice thank you, she has left 2 teenager kids and a hubby...so sad...I worry as my sister is also a teacher in a junior school...the government have only given them ppe for it a child is sick and teacher needs to get close to that child....teachers are not listed as a priority for the vaccination

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By *adame 2SwordsWoman
over a year ago

Victoria, London

Both parents died this/last year, and were covid positive, but dad had bad cancer, and mom a heart attack

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By *konCouple
over a year ago

cardiff

Yes , two people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes, I’ve witnessed148 individuals passing away within 28 days of testing positive for covid-19, I also seen 43 covid-19 sufferers who have passed the 28 day mark but never recovered from the damage their systems have taken.

What I can say is none of them would have died without the virus, they covered a multitude of ages, the youngest was 21, the eldest 98.

I find posts like this pretty disrespectful to those people I’ve met and their families. In WW2 it’s estimated 1 in 30 families lost a relative during the conflict. There was no hint that “this terrible conflict is actually a light skirmish”, I don’t get why people wish to try to undermine the reality.

I appreciate not everyone sees the red zones across the U.K., they don’t see the patients ordeal but a simple look at the world news clearly illustrates the horrific impact this virus has.

Perhaps think about it this way... if you read this tomorrow then the figures are out of date, we currently lose a covid patient every 2.5 hours.

It matters x

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Yes, I’ve witnessed148 individuals passing away within 28 days of testing positive for covid-19, I also seen 43 covid-19 sufferers who have passed the 28 day mark but never recovered from the damage their systems have taken.

What I can say is none of them would have died without the virus, they covered a multitude of ages, the youngest was 21, the eldest 98.

I appreciate not everyone sees the red zones across the U.K., they don’t see the patients ordeal but a simple look at the world news clearly illustrates the horrific impact this virus has.

Perhaps think about it this way... if you read this tomorrow then the figures are out of date, we currently lose a covid patient every 2.5 hours.

It matters x"

Charli, firstly thanks, enormous thanks for doing what you do. But I wanted to say I think your posts are always the most balanced, informative, knowledgeable. You manage to say things many of us probably want to but without anger or insult and with dignity. I think that skill could be put to better use outside of these forums to help peoples thinking, attitudes and behaviours.

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By *G CoupleCouple
over a year ago

kent

Don't know anyone personally who has caught covid let alone die from it.

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By *ookMan
over a year ago

london

Some absolute classics on this thread... slaps forehead. My next door neighbour on a trolley 2am blue flashing lights... literally gasping for breath as he was loaded into the ambulance by spacemen like medics. He died on the way to hospital. This is real and if your one of the afore mentioned people whom caused me to slap my forehead then... well god help you and your loved ones.

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By *ookMan
over a year ago

london

What I can say is none of them would have died without the virus, they covered a multitude of ages, the youngest was 21, the eldest 98.

I appreciate not everyone sees the red zones across the U.K., they don’t see the patients ordeal but a simple look at the world news clearly illustrates the horrific impact this virus has.

Perhaps think about it this way... if you read this tomorrow then the figures are out of date, we currently lose a covid patient every 2.5 hours.

It matters x

I could not agree more!

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By *spotpleasurerMan
over a year ago

Norwich

Personally, I've never had any Covid symptoms and was tested negative a couple of times.

Right now, I have an aged relative living in a care home who's Covid positive, put on steroids and given oxygen who is now recovering. Many of the carers also came down with Covid.

At work, a colleague's father and stepmother, also aged, had Covid last year and the stepmother passed away.

This type of question proves or disproves nothing- we are a country of 60 million and statistically some of us will know of multiple Covid deaths and others none. I don't know of any relatives or people at work who've died of cancer, does that mean it doesn't exist?

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over a year ago

What I can say is none of them would have died without the virus, they covered a multitude of ages, the youngest was 21, the eldest 98.

I appreciate not everyone sees the red zones across the U.K., they don’t see the patients ordeal but a simple look at the world news clearly illustrates the horrific impact this virus has.

Perhaps think about it this way... if you read this tomorrow then the figures are out of date, we currently lose a covid patient every 2.5 hours.

It matters x

Ty, i don’t know how to respond to that really x

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By *heRazorsEdgeMan
over a year ago

Wales/ All over UK

"Some absolute classics on this thread... slaps forehead. My next door neighbour on a trolley 2am blue flashing lights... literally gasping for breath as he was loaded into the ambulance by spacemen like medics. He died on the way to hospital. This is real and if your one of the afore mentioned people whom caused me to slap my forehead then... well god help you and your loved ones. "

Unfortunately it’s the wrong foreheads getting slapped.... the morons in question are the ones that actually require it

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By *atnip make me purrWoman
over a year ago

Reading

You are welcome not to wear a mask but shops are allowed to deny you access so good luck with that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You are welcome not to wear a mask but shops are allowed to deny you access so good luck with that. "

No they are not, which is my the vast majority don't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Johnson said in his figures 88 per cent of deaths are from the high risk category... something i think we all kinda new... doesn't make it right to stand outside St Thomas's hospital and call people fakers

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

What does it matter, people are dying of covid regardless.

I don't fully understand the virus I'm by no means a specialist but if you research it you will understand how it attacks the body.

I had it in October and I was very lucky to avoid hospitalisation but on two occasions in one day I thought my number was up.

When you have it, you suddenly realise how fragile we actually are and how lucky we are to live in a time of such medical advances,yet this has come along and without intervention could send us back to the stone age.

When you feel your body being taken over bit by bit not daily but hourly, asking.

" Surely there's nothing else it can attack?" Then bingo another symptom.

So whilst you may be fit and healthy, you may have an issue you know nothing about but if your unlucky covid will find your weaknesses and attack them.

Its a fucking awful thing.

My previously very healthy sister is still very unwell been off work for 3 months, my wife is also still suffering almost 3 months on and she's one of those people who never gets sick.

To put it another way.

If you get shot the bullet may rip through your body and cause organ failure.

Yeah you died of organ failure but it was because of the bullet.

Covid is a bullet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What does it matter, people are dying of covid regardless.

I don't fully understand the virus I'm by no means a specialist but if you research it you will understand how it attacks the body.

I had it in October and I was very lucky to avoid hospitalisation but on two occasions in one day I thought my number was up.

When you feel your body being taken over bit by bit not daily but hourly, asking.

" Surely there's nothing else it can attack?" Then bingo another symptom.

So whilst you may be fit and healthy, you may have an issue you know nothing about but if your unlucky covid will find your weaknesses and attack them.

Its a fucking awful thing.

My previously very healthy sister is still very unwell been off work for 3 months, my wife is also still suffering almost 3 months on and she's one of those people who never gets sick.

To put it another way.

If you get shot the bullet may rip through your body and cause organ failure.

Yeah you died of organ failure but it was because of the bullet.

Covid is a bullet."

i like that bullet metaphor

reading that though i couldn’t help but think it must have been horribly terrifying for you ... we’ve probably all gotten a bit dramatic when unwell but with the publicity and stories and death toll of covid it must genuinely go through your head this is it for me

what kind of mental impact does that have too... do you think after the vaccination when things are a bit more normal you will be grasping everything in life or quite a bit more nervous that another new illness could be so easily caught and spread?

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

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What does it matter, people are dying of covid regardless.

I don't fully understand the virus I'm by no means a specialist but if you research it you will understand how it attacks the body.

I had it in October and I was very lucky to avoid hospitalisation but on two occasions in one day I thought my number was up.

When you feel your body being taken over bit by bit not daily but hourly, asking.

" Surely there's nothing else it can attack?" Then bingo another symptom.

So whilst you may be fit and healthy, you may have an issue you know nothing about but if your unlucky covid will find your weaknesses and attack them.

Its a fucking awful thing.

My previously very healthy sister is still very unwell been off work for 3 months, my wife is also still suffering almost 3 months on and she's one of those people who never gets sick.

To put it another way.

If you get shot the bullet may rip through your body and cause organ failure.

Yeah you died of organ failure but it was because of the bullet.

Covid is a bullet.

i like that bullet metaphor

Mentally it's been very difficult especially as my mum died 3 days before my symptoms started so not being able to attend her funeral in fact no one did as everyone was sick with covid or isolating, that was hard.

But moving forward , currently just thinking about getting to the end of each week.

The constant fatigue is just tiering.

I now am finding myself in constant fear not for me but my family and kid's.

But what can you do other than carry on and keep going.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

sorry to hear that

hope you are all on the mend soon

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Do people still actually think it doesnt exist?

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By *ockosaurusMan
over a year ago

Warwick

1 in 5 people have an underlying health issue that could cause problems with Covid.

Not all the issues would be terminal on their own, or even affect the person's life.

Infact many people don't even know they have them.

It's the combination of the health condition and Covid that kills most, but without Covid many of those would likely have lived longer.

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By *indergirlWoman
over a year ago

somewhere, someplace

My friends mum has just passed away, yes she was 74 but had absolutely no underlying issues

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By *assy211279Woman
over a year ago

middle of nowhere Cornwall

I have a friend who is recovering. He had no other problems but now has half a lung missing and a heart defect. But he has made it through.

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By *indergirlWoman
over a year ago

somewhere, someplace

My stepdad also passed away last year as a result of covid, yes he was poorly before but would have made a full recovery, covid put too much strain on his body and his heart gave out in the end

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By *indergirlWoman
over a year ago

somewhere, someplace

Seeing the devastion it caused my mum and then having to deal with idiots who refuse to wear a mask and I'm not allowed to question it, yet have to get up close to do my job and so do my co workers really boils my piss, it's real and not just a mild recoverable illness!

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By *evaquitCouple
over a year ago

Catthorpe

"Seeing the devastion it caused my mum and then having to deal with idiots who refuse to wear a mask and I'm not allowed to question it, yet have to get up close to do my job and so do my co workers really boils my piss, it's real and not just a mild recoverable illness!"

Understand this post.

Our entire household had it and recovered, was very much touch and go for one. Mother now has it and it's precarious due to her breathing issues, doesn't look good, lost one of the family already. These conspiracy theorists haven't got a clue. Guy at work, a big conspiracy theorist was banging on about it and lost his Dad, he's not saying shit now, wonder if he'll reflect on his Nazi shit too. Dude travelled to Auchwitz to see for himself the lies said about the Reich. Twat!

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

This thread started life 13 weeks ago. Op not seen since. All I can hope is that for those people who have suffered in the last 13 weeks. And shared it. That a few of the folks who deny its serious and that people need to modify their behaviours for a while. Have been convinced to join the rest of us and do our best to stop spreading the infection. To those still not convinced. I hope you dont have to go through what many have already endured. It's a bastard.

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By *heelsmanMan
over a year ago

Staines

There was someone yesterday evening that came up on "All updates" with a status update all about how the videos of empty hospitals on social media are finally waking people up to the Covid Hoax !!!

A saying I learnt a long time ago

"Its difficult to win an disagreement with an intelligent person,

it's impossible to win an disagreement with a stupid person "

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By *tarbeckCouple
over a year ago

york

"Nope never have and never will. It is what it is there no point hiding behind a mask. where all going the same place in the end

I'm presuming you dont go out then as almost everywhere requires a mask to enter.?

Probably be safer for the rest of us"

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

"There was someone yesterday evening that came up on "All updates" with a status update all about how the videos of empty hospitals on social media are finally waking people up to the Covid Hoax !!!

A saying I learnt a long time ago

"Its difficult to win an disagreement with an intelligent person,

it's impossible to win an disagreement with a stupid person "

Exactly.

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By *s_bettyboopWoman
over a year ago

-3

Yes I know a few with no underlying conditions. Had it myself and almost ended up in hospital and had a ambulance out for my breathing which my doctor sent. I ended up with pleurisy afterwards and its taken weeks to go. Truly awful and still suffering with major fatigue now.

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By *ardiffCoupleNJCouple
over a year ago

Pontypridd/Rhyfelin

"If Covid has accelerated their death, then they have died due to Covid.

If someone had an underlying heath issue which they previously managed and was able to live a normal life but was worsened due to Covid and died, then they have died due to Covid.

I don't understand the mental gymnastics people are doing to try and downplay the Covid numbers.

So so right. Finally someone talking logical sense.

Guess what, the only certainty in life is we'll die. If the heart stops you are dead. Whether that's because of cancer or a bus the end result is the same. Anything that hastens it is not good, or at least that's the case in my book.

Every single person on here has access to the ONS statistics. They can do their own research rather than aimlessly repeating half truths and hearsay or making daft comments that just because they don't know anyone that's died of Covid it isn't true.

On the ONS site you can find raw facts. I have just looked up the raw data for 2020. The spreadsheets show deaths for every week of the year in England and in Wales. It shows the 5 year average and it shows the highest and lowest figures over the past 5 years. Its in. Xls format. Go download for yourselves.

A quick summary:

Deaths in England for 2020 = 566,082

Avg of previous 5 yrs = 496,309

In these raw stats there are no causes attributed. So maybe road deaths rocketed (despite lockdown). Who knows...

Almost 70,000 more than average in England alone.

So roughly 1 in 850 more deaths than usual, so it's quite feasible you know of no one personally that died as a result of Covid.

God knows what they teach in schools these days, but clearly a large proportion of people are incapable of separating fact from fiction.

Discuss the merits or not of lock down versus the economy...or that the NHS is over or under funded. Fine. But implying Covid isn't all its cracked up to be is just lazy ill informed stupidity.

Check for yourselves.

(search: ONS deaths)

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By *nlyfun3Woman
over a year ago

NEAR Berkhamsted,Herts

Gosh that must be why all those surgeons that wear these masks die after wearing them for hours for surgery, oh and dont forget the dentist and vets! Love to know what research you read to give such an informed opinion. Is it on gaseous exchange as all these mask allow for gaseous exchange! If not what tocins are you referring to???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So if someone with cancer was to get hit by car and die , they died because of the car smash , same as if someone with cancer got covid and died they died from covid , it’s not rocket science it’s just idiots trying to justify not following the rules , COVID KILLS

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By *ynonvalleyboyMan
over a year ago

merthyr

Maybe the non believers would like to volunteer on a covid ward, just making tea and coffee for the staff. I am waiting for my daughter to come home from Prince Charles Hospital Merthyr Tydfil, after a night shift she is physically exhausted mentally drained on the repetition of treatment and death.

Makes our blood boil for those who think its a joke

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By *iveralandssklpMan
over a year ago

Turkey

What an interesting post

Its shows the sensible people who are taking covid19 seriously and the idiots who think covid19 is not real or dangerous.

If I was a vindictive person I would like to see these people who think covid19 is not really dangerous, work in a hospital covid ward with no PPE and then say that covid19 is not as dangerous as the government and WHO are making out.

I for one will continue to follow government guidelines

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By *iveralandssklpMan
over a year ago

Turkey

Meant to add Sensible people Take care and stay safe x

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By *averockrockMan
over a year ago

swindon

Are you serious?

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By *indergirlWoman
over a year ago

somewhere, someplace

"I think if that was the case alot of people who have to wear ppe constantly for there work would have health problems right?. "

Exactly this! I wear a mask in work and travel to and from for 12 hours a day nearly, I have absolutely no issues with my health doing so whatsoever! You don't breath in dirty toxins as someone has put on here, it's been proven countless times they are safe to wear if worn correctly, the amount of people on practice I have to constantly remind to wear it properly really gets on my nerves, if I can do it for my entire shift, you can do it for the half hour or so you spend in my practice! I'm protecting you by doing so, show me the courtesy of doing so too!

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By *indergirlWoman
over a year ago

somewhere, someplace

Sorry I get a bit ranty on the subject

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