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By *ornyQueer OP Woman
over a year ago

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Hopefully we will have a vaccine soon and restrictions will be lifted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Seconded. I’m so sick of all this now

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By *D835Man
over a year ago

London

"Hopefully we will have a vaccine soon and restrictions will be lifted. "

Fingers Crossed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A big percentage of people will refuse to have the covid vaccine.

I don't know anyone who would take it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A big percentage of people will refuse to have the covid vaccine.

I don't know anyone who would take it."

I agree with this

I think if the government are expecting a near to 100% take up then they're in for a bit of a shock

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A big percentage of people will refuse to have the covid vaccine.

I don't know anyone who would take it."

Me either and ive asked plenty of nurses at work too..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the problem is most vaccines take at least 10 years to be close to 100% effective.

even the current flu vaccine is only around 48% effective so any covid-19 vaccine (that has been rushed) cannot achieve a high rate of success.

lets say they get a vaccine out in jan and say they want to have everyone injected with it by easter.

you would need to inject 600,000 people a week and you must be dreaming if you think they can produce and treat that many people each week.

the governments view is a vaccine over or close to 50% successful is acceptable. but acceptable to who? and what about the people how have a bad reaction to it.

you will not be able to sue because they will legally cover that so you may end up with people suffering serious side effects that are life changing with little chance of any quality of life or care.

when you have clowns in charge you get a circus. they dont know what that are doing from one week to the next and your going to let them inject you with something that has not been throughly tested or can achieve a a close to 100% safe rate.

the current death rate from covid-19 is less than people who die from cigarette annually but they are still on the shelves.

we need to exercise caution.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A vaccine, on it's own, will not end the restrictions. It's highly likely that even if a vaccine is found restrictions will continue for several years - if we let them.

Why?

1 - Availability.

There is unlikely to be sufficient vaccine for a mass vaccination program for several months at least & possibly considerably longer. The most at risk will be vaccinated first but that leaves the rest of the country in limbo.

2 - Resources

There are already questions being asked about the logistics of storing, distributing and administering vaccine on the scale required. It's never been done and there is as yet no sign of the planning needed to actually accomplish it.

3 - Efficacy

There's no information yet on how effective a covid vaccine may be or how long the protection provided lasts. Best guesses are around 50 - 60% effective and protection for between 6 and 12 months. Both of those point to mass vaccination being a long-term logistical nightmare.

4 - Uptake

To produce 'herd immunity' we'd need vaccination levels of between 60 & 80% of the population. Given the growing level of resistance to vaccination it's highly likely we won't reach those numbers.

All of those things point to vaccination being far from the magic bullet to end this. The ONLY way it will end is when we as a population decide it needs to end and accept that, as with every other illness, there will be a price to pay.

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By *eeker of truthMan
over a year ago

Manchester

"A big percentage of people will refuse to have the covid vaccine.

I don't know anyone who would take it.

Me either and ive asked plenty of nurses at work too.. "

Same here.

None of my friends or my family that i have asked will be taking a vaccine.

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By *eeker of truthMan
over a year ago

Manchester

"the problem is most vaccines take at least 10 years to be close to 100% effective.

even the current flu vaccine is only around 48% effective so any covid-19 vaccine (that has been rushed) cannot achieve a high rate of success.

lets say they get a vaccine out in jan and say they want to have everyone injected with it by easter.

you would need to inject 600,000 people a week and you must be dreaming if you think they can produce and treat that many people each week.

the governments view is a vaccine over or close to 50% successful is acceptable. but acceptable to who? and what about the people how have a bad reaction to it.

you will not be able to sue because they will legally cover that so you may end up with people suffering serious side effects that are life changing with little chance of any quality of life or care.

the current death rate from covid-19 is less than people who die from cigarette annually but they are still on the shelves.

we need to exercise caution."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

cant even get an antibody test never mind a vaccine

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Straw poll at work hardly anyone is bothered about getting the vaccine.

What I found surprising it was the older ones who were against it.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

If its an effective vaccine there is enough to go round and everyone has a chance of getting one i see no need for restrictions.If people dont want to be vaccinated thats up to them but dont expect everyone who has to carry on being restricted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the problem is most vaccines take at least 10 years to be close to 100% effective.

even the current flu vaccine is only around 48% effective so any covid-19 vaccine (that has been rushed) cannot achieve a high rate of success.

lets say they get a vaccine out in jan and say they want to have everyone injected with it by easter.

you would need to inject 600,000 people a week and you must be dreaming if you think they can produce and treat that many people each week.

the governments view is a vaccine over or close to 50% successful is acceptable. but acceptable to who? and what about the people how have a bad reaction to it.

you will not be able to sue because they will legally cover that so you may end up with people suffering serious side effects that are life changing with little chance of any quality of life or care.

the current death rate from covid-19 is less than people who die from cigarette annually but they are still on the shelves.

we need to exercise caution."

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Seconded. I’m so sick of all this now

Know how you feel

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

"Hopefully we will have a vaccine soon and restrictions will be lifted. "

A better solution would be to educate the idiots but a vaccine is more likely at this stage.

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By *ike4362ukMan
over a year ago

Cheshunt

I work in the industry. Some of our machines are used in the research into Covid and in the manufacturing process.

Not taking a vaccine that has passed all of the testing is just stupid and is a result of scaremongering. The reason these vaccines have come to testing early is that there was already pre-existing studies into SARS and MERS. They are still going through the full three phases of testing.

The companies ARE liable for any issues after certification. The companies only have cover if the Government choose to force them to issue it before certification. This was done for the Ebola vaccine because the lethality of that disease made the early release ethical.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Hopefully we will have a vaccine soon and restrictions will be lifted. "

I wholeheartedly agree, but unfortunately there is unlikely to be a vaccine until the new-year.

Cal

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

I'd suggest a Google search for the headline "Vaccinating all of UK ‘not going to happen’, says task force head" which is in the Financial Times. I don't dare link here.

Overview: any vaccine is aimed at the over 50s only, prioritising care and health workers and the most vulnerable in the over 50 age bracket. No under 18s will be vaccinated; its an adult only thing anyway. The Govt is ordering 30m doses of whatever works, that's enough for the over 50s.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *lirtymr_mrsCouple
over a year ago

Stockton-on-Tees

"I'd suggest a Google search for the headline "Vaccinating all of UK ‘not going to happen’, says task force head" which is in the Financial Times. I don't dare link here.

I saw the same, but haven't seen it in any other media (I do trust the FT).

I think when it becomes more general knowledge it will alter people's attitude to lockdown rule adherence, how they feel about their own sacrifices over the last 6 months and what exiting covid looks like for them.

Basically the most in need will get a vaccine (good science). But the most economically impacted just have to keep sacrificing until everyone but them gets a vaccine, then they can have govt permission to go get ill. (Bad PR for the govt, rough deal for those already feeling trodden on) it's going to make a lot of people mad/sad.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This all makes perfect sense and I agree to a point what the Op has said. However when it's your mum or dad or grandmother or grand father exposed and heaven forbid pass Way as we have let it take its course its then that this idea takes the form. Of a bitter pill to swallow.

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

I wouldn't hold hoping for a, successful vaccine in this, country with this government. They can't get anything right. Now, we, learn there's be a, hitch with the positive testing figures. Over 15000 people who tested positive fell through the net. The figures, are a shambles. How many more, people have these 15000 been in contact with and possibly infected. Is this government trying to get to the figures the doomsday pair predicted deliberately to save face for those two. The, whole thing is a fiasco. What will weasel Hancock have to say this afternoon in Parliament as he has been called in to explain exactly what is going on here,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The whole thing is a fiasco.

Restrictions to 'control the virus until we get a vaccine' and now we hear that most of the population won't, in fact, get a vaccine.

'World beating testing', except we can't count the results.

Useless. Pathetic. Incompetent. Untrustworthy. Disorganised. Liars. Scaremongers. I'm struggling to think of any derogatory adjectives that don't apply to this government.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"the problem is most vaccines take at least 10 years to be close to 100% effective.

even the current flu vaccine is only around 48% effective so any covid-19 vaccine (that has been rushed) cannot achieve a high rate of success.

lets say they get a vaccine out in jan and say they want to have everyone injected with it by easter.

you would need to inject 600,000 people a week and you must be dreaming if you think they can produce and treat that many people each week.

the governments view is a vaccine over or close to 50% successful is acceptable. but acceptable to who? and what about the people how have a bad reaction to it.

you will not be able to sue because they will legally cover that so you may end up with people suffering serious side effects that are life changing with little chance of any quality of life or care.

the current death rate from covid-19 is less than people who die from cigarette annually but they are still on the shelves.

we need to exercise caution.

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By *el CDMan
over a year ago

Warrington

Any government would have similar issues. Vaccines? 20 billion? Need to dose twice, as only partially effective?

I have found a possible solution. Put my money where my mouth is.

Reality: vaccine could have an effect in 12 months. Hope I am wrong. xx

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Personally, I think that there are several very positive vaccine trials ongoing at the minute. It is fairly probable that there will be at least one viable vaccine available be early spring.

Obviously there will be a phased vaccination schedule, with the most vulnerable being protected first, then those in key "front line" jobs, then everyone else. There will no doubt be people who opt out that is ok, but as each group gets vaccinated, then the transmission opportunities are reduced and everything will get better.

Cal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A big percentage of people will refuse to have the covid vaccine.

I don't know anyone who would take it.

Me either and ive asked plenty of nurses at work too.. "

Well the latest poll suggested that 57% of the population would take it and 27% would consider it.

Anyone who refuses a vaccine can then not moan about any restrictions.

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

Be interesting to hear the reasons why anyone would not take a licenced vaccine. Some of these reasons maybe valid but i can't think of one but am prepared to be educated.

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By *eeker of truthMan
over a year ago

Manchester

"Be interesting to hear the reasons why anyone would not take a licenced vaccine. Some of these reasons maybe valid but i can't think of one but am prepared to be educated."

Really you can't think of one single reason why someone would decline a vaccine that has been rushed through (they usualy take anywhere between 5-10 years), plus is at no great risk from the virus which has a 99.somthing% recovery rate.

Yeah I'll take my chances with the virus and my own immune system than some rushed through vaccine containing god knows what injected into my system with no data or long term testing of any side effects later down the line.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hopefully we will have a vaccine soon and restrictions will be lifted.

Fingers Crossed"

I concur

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Be interesting to hear the reasons why anyone would not take a licenced vaccine. Some of these reasons maybe valid but i can't think of one but am prepared to be educated.

But the swine flu vaccine was available 3 years after the outbreak. The reason it normally takes so long to get a vaccine is because It is not normally something that has such intense man hours put into it. Most vaccines have a 2 year clinical trial period. They started the trial 6 months ago so yes I do believe should be available in about 18 months.

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

"Be interesting to hear the reasons why anyone would not take a licenced vaccine. Some of these reasons maybe valid but i can't think of one but am prepared to be educated.

I did say a licenced vaccine so would have to go through all the safety trials of any other vaccine would.

These side effects a vaccine may have that worry you. Are you not worried about the side effects covid obviously death being the worst. These include kidney lung heart and brain damage. These effects are much more prevalent than any vaccine and pretty much any licensed meducine.

There must be a valid reason not have a licensed vaccine.

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By *ickthelick2001Man
over a year ago

nottingham

If you check government websites, you will see that comrade doris and Co have changed the law to allow unlicenced vaccines, If you look at Pandemrix, which was a swine flu vaccine rushed out by GSK, that was withdrawn due to narcolepsy, and GSK later admitted failing to disclose safety data. Sir Patrick Vallance worked for GSK also has £600000 of shares in them, so he will know all about it, channel 4 did a documentary about the great swine flu scandal. every one associated with delivery manufacturing and administering the alleged covid vaccine, has been given indeminification against vaccine injury ( that should ring alarm bells ). And all for a corona virus that has a recovery rate around 99.9%. Also remember comrade doris is living proof a vaccine is not required, he went from covid to the birth of his umpteenth child in a few days at easter. All vaccine manufacturers have criminal records, and piad out billions and billions in fines mostly for fraud deception bribery. please do your own research into these companies. all the information is out there.And you don't need any medical qualifications to find it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If you check government websites, you will see that comrade doris and Co have changed the law to allow unlicenced vaccines, If you look at Pandemrix, which was a swine flu vaccine rushed out by GSK, that was withdrawn due to narcolepsy, and GSK later admitted failing to disclose safety data. Sir Patrick Vallance worked for GSK also has £600000 of shares in them, so he will know all about it, channel 4 did a documentary about the great swine flu scandal. every one associated with delivery manufacturing and administering the alleged covid vaccine, has been given indeminification against vaccine injury ( that should ring alarm bells ). And all for a corona virus that has a recovery rate around 99.9%. Also remember comrade doris is living proof a vaccine is not required, he went from covid to the birth of his umpteenth child in a few days at easter. All vaccine manufacturers have criminal records, and piad out billions and billions in fines mostly for fraud deception bribery. please do your own research into these companies. all the information is out there.And you don't need any medical qualifications to find it. "

Well, that's a mish mash of unrelated information. Please stop trying to weave it all into one so that it lends credence to yet another conspiracy theory. Almost all of the points you have put here have been talked about individually on here and out in the media. Almost all of them have been either debunked or explained in plain English and proven to actually be nothing to be concerned about.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

well I just received my FLU JAB Today

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By *ensualguy70TV/TS
over a year ago

paisley

"Be interesting to hear the reasons why anyone would not take a licenced vaccine. Some of these reasons maybe valid but i can't think of one but am prepared to be educated.

I did say a licenced vaccine so would have to go through all the safety trials of any other vaccine would.

There must be a valid reason not have a licensed vaccine."

More so the fact that they want legal immunity so they cant be sued for any nasties thats in their vaccinations.

I wonder why they want to push through a vaccination for Covid, but its illegal to advertise a cure for cancer

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A big percentage of people will refuse to have the covid vaccine.

I don't know anyone who would take it."

Me neither. I definitely won’t be having it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A big percentage of people will refuse to have the covid vaccine.

I don't know anyone who would take it.

Me neither. I definitely won’t be having it "
. Why ?

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By *ickthelick2001Man
over a year ago

nottingham

good luck with your vaccine then

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"A big percentage of people will refuse to have the covid vaccine.

I don't know anyone who would take it.

Me neither. I definitely won’t be having it . Why ?"

Here is something stopping you catching a virus that may kill you and your loved ones.

Obviously you wouldnt touch it with a barge pole.

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

"Be interesting to hear the reasons why anyone would not take a licenced vaccine. Some of these reasons maybe valid but i can't think of one but am prepared to be educated.

I did say a licenced vaccine so would have to go through all the safety trials of any other vaccine would.

There must be a valid reason not have a licensed vaccine.

More so the fact that they want legal immunity so they cant be sued for any nasties thats in their vaccinations.

I wonder why they want to push through a vaccination for Covid, but its illegal to advertise a cure for cancer "

If there is a proven cure for cancer it is perfectly legal to advertise it. As long as we are part of the EU you can sue any vaccine manufacturer. After 31st December 2020 i would hope that continues. It is not the case un the US.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A big percentage of people will refuse to have the covid vaccine.

I don't know anyone who would take it.

Me neither. I definitely won’t be having it . Why ?

Here is something stopping you catching a virus that may kill you and your loved ones.

Obviously you wouldnt touch it with a barge pole."

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"A big percentage of people will refuse to have the covid vaccine.

I don't know anyone who would take it.

Me neither. I definitely won’t be having it . Why ?

Here is something stopping you catching a virus that may kill you and your loved ones.

Obviously you wouldnt touch it with a barge pole.

Dont children still get vaccinated?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"A big percentage of people will refuse to have the covid vaccine.

I don't know anyone who would take it.

Me neither. I definitely won’t be having it . Why ?

Here is something stopping you catching a virus that may kill you and your loved ones.

Obviously you wouldnt touch it with a barge pole.

Surely the vaccine is a step towards normality?

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By *rotic-TouchTV/TS
over a year ago

doncaster

If the covid vaccine becomes mandatory for travel overseas then the nay Sayers will be queuing up in droves

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"A big percentage of people will refuse to have the covid vaccine.

I don't know anyone who would take it.

Me neither. I definitely won’t be having it . Why ?

Here is something stopping you catching a virus that may kill you and your loved ones.

Obviously you wouldnt touch it with a barge pole.

Dont children still get vaccinated?"

They do, but they won't against Covid. It's an adults only vaccine, no trials in children. So anyone shouting "BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN" can rest easy. No-one is going to offer your offspring under 18 a Covid vaccine

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By *bzboy66Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

Life is full of small risks like crossing the road. We all know a small percentage get killed but we factor that into our decision to cross and don't think too much about it. Same with driving. We know of people that have been injured or killed in crashes, but we still get behind the wheel every day. So it will be the same with taking a vaccine against Corona. I will take it without fear. If I end up being squashed on the road of life then so be it. Alternatively I may catch the real Corona and have to take my chances with that bad boy. Hobson's choice I believe..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A big percentage of people will refuse to have the covid vaccine.

I don't know anyone who would take it.

Me neither. I definitely won’t be having it . Why ?

Here is something stopping you catching a virus that may kill you and your loved ones.

Obviously you wouldnt touch it with a barge pole."

Nobody's stopping you taking it or even questioning you why you would.

Crack on I say

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If the covid vaccine becomes mandatory for travel overseas then the nay Sayers will be queuing up in droves

Or the UK holiday industries get a much welcomed boost

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

I’ve never really seen the issue about people not wanting the vaccine or any other. I’m all for personal agency.

Just get on with it or don’t.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"A big percentage of people will refuse to have the covid vaccine.

I don't know anyone who would take it.

Me neither. I definitely won’t be having it . Why ?

Here is something stopping you catching a virus that may kill you and your loved ones.

Obviously you wouldnt touch it with a barge pole.

Nobody's stopping you taking it or even questioning you why you would.

Crack on I say

People are saying they wouldnt have it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A big percentage of people will refuse to have the covid vaccine.

I don't know anyone who would take it.

Me neither. I definitely won’t be having it . Why ?

Here is something stopping you catching a virus that may kill you and your loved ones.

Obviously you wouldnt touch it with a barge pole.

Surely the vaccine is a step towards normality?"

Vaccines are dangerous! Especially ones rushed through without proper testing. I don’t take any pharmaceutical drugs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A big percentage of people will refuse to have the covid vaccine.

I don't know anyone who would take it.

Me neither. I definitely won’t be having it . Why ?

Here is something stopping you catching a virus that may kill you and your loved ones.

Obviously you wouldnt touch it with a barge pole.

Nobody's stopping you taking it or even questioning you why you would.

Crack on I say

People are saying they wouldnt have it?"
.

And some people are saying they would, each to their own,I just don't see the people who say they wouldn't badgering people like you who say they would.

Like I said, crack on with it if you want it and don't if you don't.

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

"A big percentage of people will refuse to have the covid vaccine.

I don't know anyone who would take it.

Me neither. I definitely won’t be having it . Why ?

Here is something stopping you catching a virus that may kill you and your loved ones.

Obviously you wouldnt touch it with a barge pole.

Surely the vaccine is a step towards normality?

Vaccines are dangerous! Especially ones rushed through without proper testing. I don’t take any pharmaceutical drugs. "

Vaccines are dangerous any evidence for this i mean real evidence for this? I think covid is dangerous i have a lot of evidence for that. I am totally against mandatory vaccines but if you choose not to one it should be on basis of a real reason not just rubbish on facebook or being a bit thick.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A big percentage of people will refuse to have the covid vaccine.

I don't know anyone who would take it.

Me neither. I definitely won’t be having it . Why ?

Here is something stopping you catching a virus that may kill you and your loved ones.

Obviously you wouldnt touch it with a barge pole.

Surely the vaccine is a step towards normality?

Vaccines are dangerous! Especially ones rushed through without proper testing. I don’t take any pharmaceutical drugs.

I’m not on Facebook so I must be thick. There is actually quite a bit of evidence if you turn off mainstream media and do some research

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A big percentage of people will refuse to have the covid vaccine.

I don't know anyone who would take it.

Me neither. I definitely won’t be having it . Why ?

Here is something stopping you catching a virus that may kill you and your loved ones.

Obviously you wouldnt touch it with a barge pole.

Surely the vaccine is a step towards normality?

Vaccines are dangerous! Especially ones rushed through without proper testing. I don’t take any pharmaceutical drugs.

I’m not on Facebook so I must be thick. There is actually quite a bit of evidence if you turn off mainstream media and do some research "

The billions of pounds paid out to families of people they have caused damage to is enough evidence for me

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"A big percentage of people will refuse to have the covid vaccine.

I don't know anyone who would take it.

Me neither. I definitely won’t be having it . Why ?

Here is something stopping you catching a virus that may kill you and your loved ones.

Obviously you wouldnt touch it with a barge pole.

Surely the vaccine is a step towards normality?

Vaccines are dangerous! Especially ones rushed through without proper testing. I don’t take any pharmaceutical drugs. "

All vaccines are dangerous?

Like the ones you have in school?

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

How many would if you need it to travel

I have had lots of jabs in the past as I need them to travel.

Yellow fever, Hepatitis, Typhoid etc

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By *rilogyMan
over a year ago

Eastbourne

No chance in hell I'm having that vaccine.

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By *bzboy66Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

Each to their own. However the world has to move on. Finances dictate that and that's where a vaccine comes in as no country can afford to have their population sheltered. So sooner or later you will potentially be exposed to it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How many would if you need it to travel

I have had lots of jabs in the past as I need them to travel.

Yellow fever, Hepatitis, Typhoid etc "

I’ve had vaccines to travel in the past but I’d have to think very carefully about having any more after doing lots of research during lockdown.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

"How many would if you need it to travel

I have had lots of jabs in the past as I need them to travel.

Yellow fever, Hepatitis, Typhoid etc

I’ve had vaccines to travel in the past but I’d have to think very carefully about having any more after doing lots of research during lockdown.

So why now change your mind. And where have you had the time to do all this research

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

"How many would if you need it to travel

I have had lots of jabs in the past as I need them to travel.

Yellow fever, Hepatitis, Typhoid etc

I’ve had vaccines to travel in the past but I’d have to think very carefully about having any more after doing lots of research during lockdown.

So why now change your mind. And where have you had the time to do all this research "

I am genuinely interested in any info and research that isn't easily disproved because there must be some out there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How many would if you need it to travel

I have had lots of jabs in the past as I need them to travel.

Yellow fever, Hepatitis, Typhoid etc

I’ve had vaccines to travel in the past but I’d have to think very carefully about having any more after doing lots of research during lockdown.

So why now change your mind. And where have you had the time to do all this research

I am genuinely interested in any info and research that isn't easily disproved because there must be some out there. "

The information is out there it’s just whether or not you want to believe it.

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By *he Happy ManMan
over a year ago

Merseyside

"Hopefully we will have a vaccine soon and restrictions will be lifted. "

On average vaccines take 15 years to produce. Most of them 15 years are taking up by safety trials.

Do you really want to take a vaccine that was produced in a few months?

Sometimes problems with vaccines may not show up for a few years. It may be that the people take a covid vaccine and 2,3,4,or 5 years later find out the vaccine is causing massive side affects or killing people.

The vaccine trials started by Cambridge university have been stopped due to some people getting serious side effects.

I am not taking a vaccine that was produced in a few months.

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

"How many would if you need it to travel

I have had lots of jabs in the past as I need them to travel.

Yellow fever, Hepatitis, Typhoid etc

I’ve had vaccines to travel in the past but I’d have to think very carefully about having any more after doing lots of research during lockdown.

So why now change your mind. And where have you had the time to do all this research

I am genuinely interested in any info and research that isn't easily disproved because there must be some out there.

The information is out there it’s just whether or not you want to believe it. "

That is fine but give me 1 reason not to have a licensed vaccine that isn't very easily disproved. There must be at least one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

After reading certain things here, it's hard not to think social media is the most lethal virus.

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By *he Happy ManMan
over a year ago

Merseyside

"A big percentage of people will refuse to have the covid vaccine.

I don't know anyone who would take it.

I agree with this

I think if the government are expecting a near to 100% take up then they're in for a bit of a shock "

Sadly the Government has already said once we are out of Europe they are going to pass a law the makes taking a COVID vaccine mandatory. We leave Europe on Dec 31st.

Being part of the EU would stop the Government forcing a vaccine on us. Leaving the EU allows our Government do whatever they want.

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By *he Happy ManMan
over a year ago

Merseyside

"the problem is most vaccines take at least 10 years to be close to 100% effective.

even the current flu vaccine is only around 48% effective so any covid-19 vaccine (that has been rushed) cannot achieve a high rate of success.

lets say they get a vaccine out in jan and say they want to have everyone injected with it by easter.

you would need to inject 600,000 people a week and you must be dreaming if you think they can produce and treat that many people each week.

the governments view is a vaccine over or close to 50% successful is acceptable. but acceptable to who? and what about the people how have a bad reaction to it.

you will not be able to sue because they will legally cover that so you may end up with people suffering serious side effects that are life changing with little chance of any quality of life or care.

the current death rate from covid-19 is less than people who die from cigarette annually but they are still on the shelves.

we need to exercise caution."

Yes. The Government has promised vaccine makers if the vaccine turns out be bad and causing pople problems they wiil not be prosecuted.

Think about that for a moment.

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By *ike4362ukMan
over a year ago

Cheshunt

"A big percentage of people will refuse to have the covid vaccine.

I don't know anyone who would take it.

Me neither. I definitely won’t be having it . Why ?

Here is something stopping you catching a virus that may kill you and your loved ones.

Obviously you wouldnt touch it with a barge pole.

We should be given the right to make our own decisions on the risks. If people are scared then they should stay home. Our children are the ones who are going to pay in the Long run,the world needs to ge back to normal soon otherwise the damage will be irreversible "
Unfortunately, as this thread shows, many people have no idea about risks about taking vaccines. Risks are expectionally low. Wakefield deserves to be on trial for crimes against humanity. Very few people know he was a director and shareholder in a company that produced single vector vaccines when he concocted his lies about MMR. He did it to protect his own income. The result of his lies is children dying from Measles.

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By *ike4362ukMan
over a year ago

Cheshunt

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There must be a valid reason not have a licensed vaccine.

More so the fact that they want legal immunity so they cant be sued for any nasties thats in their vaccinations.

I wonder why they want to push through a vaccination for Covid, but its illegal to advertise a cure for cancer "
What utter ill-educated bollocks.

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By *ike4362ukMan
over a year ago

Cheshunt

"...

Yes. The Government has promised vaccine makers if the vaccine turns out be bad and causing pople problems they wiil not be prosecuted.

Think about that for a moment. "
No they haven't. The companies have only asked for that if the Government pushes for an early release (as the Russians did). In which case the Government pick up the tab for any litigation. Funnily enough that isn't going to happen.

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By *ockosaurusMan
over a year ago

Warwick

"A big percentage of people will refuse to have the covid vaccine.

I don't know anyone who would take it."

Everyone I've talked to (friends, family and about 40 work colleagues on the work forums), have said they will take it.

People often socialise with people with similar viewpoints, and it causes an echo-chamber.

You have to recognise this and realise just because it's how everyone 'you' know thinks, that is not a good indication of how 'everyone' thinks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A big percentage of people will refuse to have the covid vaccine.

I don't know anyone who would take it.

I agree with this

I think if the government are expecting a near to 100% take i tup then they're in for a bit of a shock "
I think the public my be in for a shock as it wont be offered to lots of people

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By *ockosaurusMan
over a year ago

Warwick

"Hopefully we will have a vaccine soon and restrictions will be lifted.

On average vaccines take 15 years to produce. Most of them 15 years are taking up by safety trials.

Do you really want to take a vaccine that was produced in a few months?

The vaccine trials started by Cambridge university have been stopped due to some people getting serious side effects.

I am not taking a vaccine that was produced in a few months."

The reason the vaccines can be produced quickly is partly due to improvements in methods and technologies, in the same way as cars can now be built much quicker now than they were 50 years ago and computers are much more advanced than they were 10 years ago.

Speed of development is not really an issue as they will still go through the same level of testing as the older vaccinations.

Here's some actually info on how they are developing it so quickly that might ease your concerns a little :

https://wellcome.org/news/how-can-we-develop-covid-19-vaccine-quickly

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By *ensualguy70TV/TS
over a year ago

paisley

"Be interesting to hear the reasons why anyone would not take a licenced vaccine. Some of these reasons maybe valid but i can't think of one but am prepared to be educated.

I did say a licenced vaccine so would have to go through all the safety trials of any other vaccine would.

There must be a valid reason not have a licensed vaccine.

More so the fact that they want legal immunity so they cant be sued for any nasties thats in their vaccinations.

I wonder why they want to push through a vaccination for Covid, but its illegal to advertise a cure for cancer

Go and check out the Cancer Act 1939, it's never been repealed and it states in there it is illegal to advertise a cure for cancer and we weren't in the EU in 1939 were we??

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

Sadly the Government has already said once we are out of Europe they are going to pass a law the makes taking a COVID vaccine mandatory. We leave Europe on Dec 31st.

When did the government say this ?

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Weird what people believe. Nobody is going to force you to take it.

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By *isfits behaving badlyCouple
over a year ago

Coventry

"A vaccine, on it's own, will not end the restrictions. It's highly likely that even if a vaccine is found restrictions will continue for several years - if we let them.

Why?

1 - Availability.

2 - Resources

3 - Efficacy

4 - Uptake

To produce 'herd immunity' we'd need vaccination levels of between 60 & 80% of the population. Given the growing level of resistance to vaccination it's highly likely we won't reach those numbers.

I'm not convinced of restrictions for years. Even if vaccines prove to be a failure. I honestly don't think the public will tolerate things as they are beyond another year. I think if this is long term people will opt to remove restrictions and accept the risks. Life is inherently risky and although we don't want unnecessary risk we often accept a certain element of risk to health in so much of the things we love to do and achieve.

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By *isfits behaving badlyCouple
over a year ago

Coventry

Even if the vacine is 50% effective and uptake is not huge every leap we stop the virus making makes an impact. It may just be enough to tip this pandemic into localised and easier to control epidemics. Which would certainly aid in both saving lives and making conditions right for normal life in 'clean' areas.

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By *ynecplCouple
over a year ago

Newcastle upon Tyne

"Hopefully we will have a vaccine soon and restrictions will be lifted. "

Article on the BBC website yesterday said that even if a vaccine is released at the earliest March you are looking at another 12 to 24 months before restrictions can be lifted.

We need to look at other approaches lockdown does not work even the WHO organisation said that. The virus does not disappear it is just suppressed until we all start moving around again.

Currently the governments ham fisted attempts at protection everybody and keeping the economy going is failing on both counts many more will die from the medical conditions that are not being treated or diagnosed due to the Govt complete fixation on the virus whilst people are losing there jobs with little hope of finding another anytime soon.

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By *asIsaCouple
over a year ago

harrow

"Hopefully we will have a vaccine soon and restrictions will be lifted.

Article on the BBC website yesterday said that even if a vaccine is released at the earliest March you are looking at another 12 to 24 months before restrictions can be lifted.

We need to look at other approaches lockdown does not work even the WHO organisation said that. The virus does not disappear it is just suppressed until we all start moving around again.

And what is your suggestion?

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By *he-Hosiery-GentMan
over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy

"Hopefully we will have a vaccine soon and restrictions will be lifted. "

Lol. We won’t be getting a vaccine.

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By *ockosaurusMan
over a year ago

Warwick

"Hopefully we will have a vaccine soon and restrictions will be lifted.

Article on the BBC website yesterday said that even if a vaccine is released at the earliest March you are looking at another 12 to 24 months before restrictions can be lifted.

We need to look at other approaches lockdown does not work even the WHO organisation said that. The virus does not disappear it is just suppressed until we all start moving around again.

No one with any sense expected or to disappear during lockdown. You didn't 'really' think that did you?

All lockdown was for was to reduce the speed of spread so that we were not overwhelmed and even more people died. This has proved successful to a degree.

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By *urekamanfor2Man
over a year ago

Shoreham

"Hopefully we will have a vaccine soon and restrictions will be lifted.

Lol. We won’t be getting a vaccine. "

Why wont we be getting a vaccine ???

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"Hopefully we will have a vaccine soon and restrictions will be lifted.

Lol. We won’t be getting a vaccine.

Why wont we be getting a vaccine ???"

I think they may have meant they won't be getting it personally.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

well at least if 50% of the country refuses the vaccine. The other 50% will get it sooner!

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By *urekamanfor2Man
over a year ago

Shoreham

I cant see 50 % refusing but did listen to the radio 5 debate last night and they reckoned about 20% are stupid enough not to have the vaccine

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire

"I cant see 50 % refusing but did listen to the radio 5 debate last night and they reckoned about 20% are stupid enough not to have the vaccine

Not sure where the '50%' figure came from but it bears no resemblance to any figures I've seen.

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By *ent in BlackMan
over a year ago

Silsden

This was such a positive thread to begin with. OP me too!

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By *aughty_builder87Man
over a year ago

Keston

A source at my local hospital has told me they are gearing up for a roll out extremely soon. If the elderly are seen to first then that should keep the death toll from spiking. Hopefully within 6 months we should be alot closer to a normal life. 2020 has been a year to forget, hopefully by summer 2021 we can get back to something like normality.

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By *ent in BlackMan
over a year ago

Silsden

"A source at my local hospital has told me they are gearing up for a roll out extremely soon. If the elderly are seen to first then that should keep the death toll from spiking. Hopefully within 6 months we should be alot closer to a normal life. 2020 has been a year to forget, hopefully by summer 2021 we can get back to something like normality."

Couldn’t have put that better mate

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire

No vaccine here ... I recommend listening to Prof Dolores Cahill ....

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

New YouGov research shows that two thirds of the public (67%) say they are either very (42%) or fairly (25%) likely to take the vaccine when it is available, with one in five (21%) saying they are unlikely to get it and 12% are unsure.

Yougov. 1 day ago.

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire

"No vaccine here ... I recommend listening to Prof Dolores Cahill ...."

Oh yes.

The alt right antivaxer who claims that people with Covid are immune for life after 10 days.

No wonder they fired her.

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley

"Hopefully we will have a vaccine soon and restrictions will be lifted.

On average vaccines take 15 years to produce. Most of them 15 years are taking up by safety trials.

Do you really want to take a vaccine that was produced in a few months?

The vaccine trials started by Cambridge university have been stopped due to some people getting serious side effects.

I am not taking a vaccine that was produced in a few months."

Lot of people like myself totally agree , so I will pass on the vacine

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

There have been several reasons that the production of these vaccines have been much quicker. Firstly they are mainly based on a pre-existing delivery system, this means that the majority of the vaccine has had many years of testing. Secondly the various stages of testing have been carried out simultaneously, and finally the production phase has been started before the testing is completed, this means that if the vaccine is approved it is ready to roll... obviously if it fails then the production run is wasted and will be destroyed.

Cal

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By *ent in BlackMan
over a year ago

Silsden

"There have been several reasons that the production of these vaccines have been much quicker. Firstly they are mainly based on a pre-existing delivery system, this means that the majority of the vaccine has had many years of testing. Secondly the various stages of testing have been carried out simultaneously, and finally the production phase has been started before the testing is completed, this means that if the vaccine is approved it is ready to roll... obviously if it fails then the production run is wasted and will be destroyed.

Cal"

It’s nice to read some common sense.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Cal

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It’s nice to read some common sense."

I normally get told off for talking sense.

To add a little balance though, there is still no long-term data beyond about 6 months for the completed vaccines, so there will always be a perceived risk.

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By *ent in BlackMan
over a year ago

Silsden

Cal

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It’s nice to read some common sense.

I normally get told off for talking sense.

To add a little balance though, there is still no long-term data beyond about 6 months for the completed vaccines, so there will always be a perceived risk. "

Absolutely, but it’s low.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"No vaccine here ... I recommend listening to Prof Dolores Cahill ....

Oh yes.

The alt right antivaxer who claims that people with Covid are immune for life after 10 days.

No wonder they fired her.

Lol

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

To be fair I have not met or spoken to many who would take this so called vaccine. Many many won't. The majority will.. it's spinning a wheel..

A game of Russian Roulette..

Shit or bust..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I honestly can’t believe there’s so many people waiting for this ‘magical back to normal vaccination’ it’s actually A little disturbing

A vaccine Usually requires 10/15 years of research before scientists will release to the public..The fact this ‘Covid19’ Is not only a new strain of A virus....The survival rate is actually higher than the success rate of the bloody vaccine it’s self!!! Does that not cause a cog or two to turn in those heads?

I honestly can’t believe people are just so willing and accepting of this kinda thing!!

( just to add Having Been vaccinated as a child myself and had both my children vaccinated also (mmf/booster etc) I am far from an antivaxer..)

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By *bwlaurenWoman
over a year ago

chester

I don't understand how anyone can know the long term effects of taking a vaccine that has only just been developed- could easily find it causes cancer or other side effects in years to come, so I wouldn't take it when the recovery rate of covid is so good.

Having worked with livestock vaccinations and knowing vaccine for bovine digital dermatitis has been undergoing tests for long term side effects since 2014 but still hasn't been licensed I can't see how human vaccine can be properly tested in such a short time.

As with everything in life it's down to each individuals choice, but I for one won't be playing guinea pig.

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By *ockosaurusMan
over a year ago

Warwick

"I don't understand how anyone can know the long term effects of taking a vaccine that has only just been developed- could easily find it causes cancer or other side effects in years to come, so I wouldn't take it when the recovery rate of covid is so good.

As with everything in life it's down to each individuals choice, but I for one won't be playing guinea pig."

The long term side effects of Covid aren't fully known either, but initial studies seem to show that it can potentially be quite nasty.

I'd prefer to risk a man-made vaccine from scientists who study this stuff and 'might' have side effects, than risk a virus that 'might' kill me and also 'might' have (probably has) side effects.

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By *ockosaurusMan
over a year ago

Warwick

"I honestly can’t believe there’s so many people waiting for this ‘magical back to normal vaccination’ it’s actually A little disturbing

I honestly can’t believe people are just so willing and accepting of this kinda thing!!

( just to add Having Been vaccinated as a child myself and had both my children vaccinated also (mmf/booster etc) I am far from an antivaxer..)

As had been mentioned lots, the vaccine it being developed quickly because of money and cooperation.

All labs around the world are sharing info. This does not normally happen.

All 3 stages of testing are happening at once. This is normally to expensive as the tests cost a lot to run, and if any fail they have to start over. Running 3 at once risks a lot more money.

There has already been lots of studies into making a vaccine for the original SARS which is very similar. This has been going on since 2012.

They are also developing the vaccine with new methods. This is progress and happens with all technology.

More info can be found about how it is being made quickly here :

https://wellcome.org/news/how-can-we-develop-covid-19-vaccine-quickly

At for the survival rate and the success rate, you have forgotten about the long term damage Covid can apparently cause to the body. It's better to not get it than survive it.

Plus if it's success rate is 95% from Modena or 90% from Pfizer, than that reduces the pool of people that might not survive by 90% from what it is currently.