Join us FREE, we're FREE to use
Web's largest swingers site since 2006.
Already registered?
Login here
Join us FREE, we're FREE to use
Web's largest swingers site since 2006.
Already registered?
Login here
 | Back to forum list |
| Back to Virus |
| Jump to newest |  |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The scientists are trying to find a way of living with the virus until such time as the find a permanent solution. The draconian lockdown put the brakes on the spread Now we have lifted and reimposed some restrictions and they monitor the infection, hospitalisations and deaths and who is being infected and how It's all part of a big picture that some people seem incapable of understanding. Playing our part in doing the right thing makes this process work and will lead to a quicker return to a new normality with more freedoms but like most good things it comes at a short term cost for long term gain" For some people, yes, way too hard to understand. They just bang on about it being like flu and then doing daft comparisons that can be easily shot down. They don't understand exponential growth either. Cases are rising and rising quickly but that doesn't mean masks or other restricting don't work. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The scientists are trying to find a way of living with the virus until such time as the find a permanent solution. The draconian lockdown put the brakes on the spread Now we have lifted and reimposed some restrictions and they monitor the infection, hospitalisations and deaths and who is being infected and how It's all part of a big picture that some people seem incapable of understanding. Playing our part in doing the right thing makes this process work and will lead to a quicker return to a new normality with more freedoms but like most good things it comes at a short term cost for long term gain" Completely agree  | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
It's a rubbish situation, but the people getting cross and acting like they're the victims of a conspiracy are helping absolutely no one. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The scientists are trying to find a way of living with the virus until such time as the find a permanent solution. The draconian lockdown put the brakes on the spread Now we have lifted and reimposed some restrictions and they monitor the infection, hospitalisations and deaths and who is being infected and how It's all part of a big picture that some people seem incapable of understanding. Playing our part in doing the right thing makes this process work and will lead to a quicker return to a new normality with more freedoms but like most good things it comes at a short term cost for long term gain" It won't 'work' though & there is no permanent solution. This is what many are incapable of understanding. All it does is delay the inevitable outcome which wrecks the economy further & kills more people long-term. Kicks the can down the road. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
 | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I'd rather take my chances with a virus that kills 0.3% than have this lot in charge of anything let alone a country. Everyday on here it gets more like the wicker Man meets 1984 "And that folks is why we will have tighter restrictions. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I'd rather take my chances with a virus that kills 0.3% than have this lot in charge of anything let alone a country. Everyday on here it gets more like the wicker Man meets 1984
And that folks is why we will have tighter restrictions.". I only said that halibut was good enough for Jehova  | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The scientists are trying to find a way of living with the virus until such time as the find a permanent solution. The draconian lockdown put the brakes on the spread Now we have lifted and reimposed some restrictions and they monitor the infection, hospitalisations and deaths and who is being infected and how It's all part of a big picture that some people seem incapable of understanding. Playing our part in doing the right thing makes this process work and will lead to a quicker return to a new normality with more freedoms but like most good things it comes at a short term cost for long term gain" I I disagree with the "some people seem incapable of understanding." I believe they do understand and that the frustration comes from the changing goalposts. Boris Johnson stood there and said unfortunately we will loose people but we can't overwhelm the NHS. Awful but clear back in March. Then the nightingales were never used, the NHS was never overwhelmed and lockdown measures continue despite the facts that the NHS is not overwhelmed and the Nightingale hospitals are stood empty. This is a no win situation, Bigger than just health v wealth as they are twisted so tight together at numerous levels. I personally am happy to stay at home and avoid people. I have that luxury
Many people do not have my luxury, they face hardship (financial, employment security, mental impacts, other medical concerns, etc, etc, etc) and then there are always rebels, deniers and other groups.
I dont think there's a single approach to dealing with a worldwide pandemic and I'm fortunate that I don't have to make those decisions. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The virus is real but hardly a threat to the vast majority considering most of the deaths are over 80 plus ,and we feel the majority are more at risk from not getting diagnosed with life threatening illness such as Cancer, heart disease which seems to have been forgotten " No that's entirely wrong .. and that's the problem with this .. those things by the way you quote cant be treated until people stop overburdening the health service and taking up beds etc .. the waiting list is getting huge because people simply wont learn to behave themselves | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I wont repeat what others have said . However, suffice it to say the ' facts' are in fact not true in most cases you quote .. and anyway even if one person dies of flu or otherwise thats still too many isnt it ? It is sadly so very easy to be hoodwinked by a lot of the people on social media . One point you do make which does ring true however is the one involving civil liberties ( not heard of any detention centres , though I can easily see them building more prisons because so many people are breaking the law in general and wont stop) .. However, that wasn't my point . Have athink about this .. the rules that are being brought in are getting tighter .. we have moved on from ' Stay home and blah blah the virus' to a far more direct ' Idf you don't .. there will be consequences' approach .. Now tell me .. why do you think that is ? Could it be perhaps because people are not listening ..lets call them the ' 'Only 3% of people die from this' crew. They clearly wont follow the rules, have no intention of it .. so we all suffer! I suggest if people actually were good girls and boys and did what they were told we might have a chanceat getting things back to normal .. unfortunately they wont .. so mark my words no one will be allowed outside after 10pm unless for work or emergencies by the end of October ! and that will last until Spring when the evenings get more light again .. its the only way the police have of 'managing' a populatiuon hell bent on breaking the rules .. it goes back to how things were in wartime .. Now all tnhat could change if people stopped insisting on meeting , doing the stuff that isnt sensible to do and pretend that they are invincible .. I predict no Trick or treat, Bonfire night or indeed Christmas and New year festivities and celabrations such as we have known before .. Folow the rules .. just because . " But Lockdown is not a cure and most people now realise that they personally have nothing to fear about getting Covid , in fact our biggest worry is getting any other serious illness because they are being ignored | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The virus is real but hardly a threat to the vast majority considering most of the deaths are over 80 plus ,and we feel the majority are more at risk from not getting diagnosed with life threatening illness such as Cancer, heart disease which seems to have been forgotten " So herd immunity..ones that dont make it ...if someone gets it treat it at home...open all ports and airports fully let the tourists in and the holidaymakers out..pubs clubs restaurants can be full..and back to school college and work as normal | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I'd rather take my chances with a virus that kills 0.3% than have this lot in charge of anything let alone a country. Everyday on here it gets more like the wicker Man meets 1984
And that folks is why we will have tighter restrictions."Yes | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The virus is real but hardly a threat to the vast majority considering most of the deaths are over 80 plus ,and we feel the majority are more at risk from not getting diagnosed with life threatening illness such as Cancer, heart disease which seems to have been forgotten So herd immunity..ones that dont make it ...if someone gets it treat it at home...open all ports and airports fully let the tourists in and the holidaymakers out..pubs clubs restaurants can be full..and back to school college and work as normal" Just last week 200,000 children and young people were not in education UK wide because of the virus.. Also with higher case numbers and more requiring hospitalisation treating at home is simply impossible.. There's a way to go yet before we open up in any sense of the word.. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" The virus is real. What is also real is that some worrying things are going on in many areas (human rights,the judiciary,education etc etc) Its likely they planned to do this anyway but its going under the radar due to covid. I genuinely dont think a lot of people realise what we are sleepwalking into. I don't think this Pandemic has made any government authoritarian but its certainly bringing it out in those that incline that way. I'm no conspiracy theorist but there is so much stuff going on which is getting very little publicity due to covid." I don't want to have this post banished to the politics forum but before the virus became the number one issue for us, there has been a lurch to the right and increase in populism. A lot of the covid denial ism and anti mask has been driven by the far right to undermine democracy. Most of those that object and question the need to modify the way we live are useful idiots as opposed to true believers. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I'd rather take my chances with a virus that kills 0.3% than have this lot in charge of anything let alone a country. Everyday on here it gets more like the wicker Man meets 1984 "Thank you for killing my wife. The problem is, as Prof Whitty said.... Its bit just you taking your chances. If we people at low risk decide we're not going to follow the new rules because "chances are it won't kill me" we will inevitably pass the virus onto people who are at risk. There was a wedding a couple of months ago. 60 guests.... A few had covid.... Of the 60, 47 were infected and they passed it on to a further 170 people. 7 died. None of those 7 had attended the wedding or broken any of the rules. Just think about that. This is an act of collectivism. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The virus is real but hardly a threat to the vast majority considering most of the deaths are over 80 plus ,and we feel the majority are more at risk from not getting diagnosed with life threatening illness such as Cancer, heart disease which seems to have been forgotten " "...The virus is real but hardly a threat to the vast majority..." ------------------------------- The virus is a 'potential' threat to anyone who gets it. Death is not the only consequence of covid. Some of those who recover end up suffering from 'Long Covid' - with long term health issues. Long Covid is not exclusive to the old and vulnerable, it also affects the Young, Fit & Healthy. These ‘Long Covid’ sufferers will then need NHS treatment..... which will require more time and resources from the NHS......which will then lead to longer waiting lists........which will then lead to more people being undiagnosed for other illness........which will in turn lead to even more people dying due to lack of treatment. You say : "...we feel the majority are more at risk from not getting diagnosed with life threatening illness..". Well that situation will get even *worse* if we don't take steps to control the spread of this virus. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The virus is real but hardly a threat to the vast majority considering most of the deaths are over 80 plus ,and we feel the majority are more at risk from not getting diagnosed with life threatening illness such as Cancer, heart disease which seems to have been forgotten "...The virus is real but hardly a threat to the vast majority..." ------------------------------- The virus is a 'potential' threat to anyone who gets it. Death is not the only consequence of covid. Some of those who recover end up suffering from 'Long Covid' - with long term health issues. Long Covid is not exclusive to the old and vulnerable, it also affects the Young, Fit & Healthy. These ‘Long Covid’ sufferers will then need NHS treatment..... which will require more time and resources from the NHS......which will then lead to longer waiting lists........which will then lead to more people being undiagnosed for other illness........which will in turn lead to even more people dying due to lack of treatment. You say : "...we feel the majority are more at risk from not getting diagnosed with life threatening illness..". Well that situation will get even *worse* if we don't take steps to control the spread of this virus." So ignore all life threatening illness just concentrate on Corona ? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The virus is real but hardly a threat to the vast majority considering most of the deaths are over 80 plus ,and we feel the majority are more at risk from not getting diagnosed with life threatening illness such as Cancer, heart disease which seems to have been forgotten "...The virus is real but hardly a threat to the vast majority..." ------------------------------- The virus is a 'potential' threat to anyone who gets it. Death is not the only consequence of covid. Some of those who recover end up suffering from 'Long Covid' - with long term health issues. Long Covid is not exclusive to the old and vulnerable, it also affects the Young, Fit & Healthy. These ‘Long Covid’ sufferers will then need NHS treatment..... which will require more time and resources from the NHS......which will then lead to longer waiting lists........which will then lead to more people being undiagnosed for other illness........which will in turn lead to even more people dying due to lack of treatment. You say : "...we feel the majority are more at risk from not getting diagnosed with life threatening illness..". Well that situation will get even *worse* if we don't take steps to control the spread of this virus. So ignore all life threatening illness just concentrate on Corona ? " What life threatening illnesses are being ignored? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The virus is real but hardly a threat to the vast majority considering most of the deaths are over 80 plus ,and we feel the majority are more at risk from not getting diagnosed with life threatening illness such as Cancer, heart disease which seems to have been forgotten "...The virus is real but hardly a threat to the vast majority..." ------------------------------- The virus is a 'potential' threat to anyone who gets it. Death is not the only consequence of covid. Some of those who recover end up suffering from 'Long Covid' - with long term health issues. Long Covid is not exclusive to the old and vulnerable, it also affects the Young, Fit & Healthy. These ‘Long Covid’ sufferers will then need NHS treatment..... which will require more time and resources from the NHS......which will then lead to longer waiting lists........which will then lead to more people being undiagnosed for other illness........which will in turn lead to even more people dying due to lack of treatment. You say : "...we feel the majority are more at risk from not getting diagnosed with life threatening illness..". Well that situation will get even *worse* if we don't take steps to control the spread of this virus. So ignore all life threatening illness just concentrate on Corona ? " "...So ignore all life threatening illness just concentrate on Corona ?..." -------------------------- No, I didn't say that. What I am saying is : By reducing the spread of the virus and subsequent hospitalisation of Corona patients, it will ease up resources on the NHS so that more attention can be given to treat people with other illness. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I'd rather take my chances with a virus that kills 0.3% than have this lot in charge of anything let alone a country. Everyday on here it gets more like the wicker Man meets 1984
Thank you for killing my wife.
The problem is, as Prof Whitty said.... Its bit just you taking your chances. If we people at low risk decide we're not going to follow the new rules because "chances are it won't kill me" we will inevitably pass the virus onto people who are at risk.
There was a wedding a couple of months ago. 60 guests.... A few had covid.... Of the 60, 47 were infected and they passed it on to a further 170 people. 7 died. None of those 7 had attended the wedding or broken any of the rules.
Just think about that.
This is an act of collectivism. "Oh no not the granny killer scenario, last week A 3 year old died from meningitis thanks for killing it with your streptococcus that 45% of the population harbor in they're throats, why don't you stick to obeying every rule I set out so that no more babies will ever die you mean mean person. 100,000 women missed there mammogram, 130,000 missed there smear, the NHS say there 6-9 months behind on cancer diagnosis in which early diagnosis is essential, 450 people a day die from cancer, where's that number going bearing in mind we were saving 2000 a day through early diagnosis??? Economic output dropped 28% in 6 months, 2-8 million people will lose there job at this rate, a whole generation of kids and teenagers have potentially ruined there education, depression is up, drug abuse up, alcoholism up, domestic abuse up, suicide up, crime up, heart disease up, fiscal deficits obliterated but I'm selfish because I'm not thinking about your wife??  | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The scientists are trying to find a way of living with the virus until such time as the find a permanent solution. The draconian lockdown put the brakes on the spread Now we have lifted and reimposed some restrictions and they monitor the infection, hospitalisations and deaths and who is being infected and how It's all part of a big picture that some people seem incapable of understanding. Playing our part in doing the right thing makes this process work and will lead to a quicker return to a new normality with more freedoms but like most good things it comes at a short term cost for long term gain For some people, yes, way too hard to understand. They just bang on about it being like flu and then doing daft comparisons that can be easily shot down. They don't understand exponential growth either. Cases are rising and rising quickly but that doesn't mean masks or other restricting don't work. " It's, not the flu. But why now cancel other major treatments or operations . I've just read if you are, a, woman over 70 and have, breast cancer you are unlikely to be treated at the moment. This, could in effect affect close to one million women. And, what the hospital now, sending anyone with none covid problems, away to other hospitals . You cannot start ignoring other treatments just because of covid. Science, has said many times masks are of little use. Its, a, little odd that since, the mask rule, was, brought in back in July things are now actually worse so it does, ask the, question are, they actually any good. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The virus is real but hardly a threat to the vast majority considering most of the deaths are over 80 plus ,and we feel the majority are more at risk from not getting diagnosed with life threatening illness such as Cancer, heart disease which seems to have been forgotten "...The virus is real but hardly a threat to the vast majority..." ------------------------------- The virus is a 'potential' threat to anyone who gets it. Death is not the only consequence of covid. Some of those who recover end up suffering from 'Long Covid' - with long term health issues. Long Covid is not exclusive to the old and vulnerable, it also affects the Young, Fit & Healthy. These ‘Long Covid’ sufferers will then need NHS treatment..... which will require more time and resources from the NHS......which will then lead to longer waiting lists........which will then lead to more people being undiagnosed for other illness........which will in turn lead to even more people dying due to lack of treatment. You say : "...we feel the majority are more at risk from not getting diagnosed with life threatening illness..". Well that situation will get even *worse* if we don't take steps to control the spread of this virus. So ignore all life threatening illness just concentrate on Corona ? What life threatening illnesses are being ignored?" I was diagnosed with prostate cancer in April 2018 after going to a charity testing session that was held 3 times a year. There’s been no sessions this year due to Covid. My regular check up was delayed from April this year until two weeks ago. Luckily it hasn’t spread. There’s a good chance others are not that lucky. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The scientists are trying to find a way of living with the virus until such time as the find a permanent solution. The draconian lockdown put the brakes on the spread Now we have lifted and reimposed some restrictions and they monitor the infection, hospitalisations and deaths and who is being infected and how It's all part of a big picture that some people seem incapable of understanding. Playing our part in doing the right thing makes this process work and will lead to a quicker return to a new normality with more freedoms but like most good things it comes at a short term cost for long term gain" Agree 100% | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The scientists are trying to find a way of living with the virus until such time as the find a permanent solution. The draconian lockdown put the brakes on the spread Now we have lifted and reimposed some restrictions and they monitor the infection, hospitalisations and deaths and who is being infected and how It's all part of a big picture that some people seem incapable of understanding. Playing our part in doing the right thing makes this process work and will lead to a quicker return to a new normality with more freedoms but like most good things it comes at a short term cost for long term gain" This is what some scientists are advocating but not the majority( including me- scientific background). Living with the virus means it’s still going to kill between 1 and 200 to 1 and 300 people. The effect of Long Covid is yet unknown but hundreds of thousands of people will be affected by it if we lived with the virus. Living with the virus means that we have given up on defeating it when other countries can do it. Where is our fighting spirit to defeat this enemy. UK and Ireland are island so an elimination strategy as advocated by the cross party committee on Covid is a practical solution. We are probably going to need a full lockdown for 3-4 weeks again and We are going to need testing to the level of the Asian countries - test contacts and contacts of contacts( or mass testing in an area) to keep a lid on transmission. International travellers all need testing. Lockdown is the only weapon at the moment working - it’s crude but effective. Fines should have been brought in months ago for breach of isolation rules. Testing at the moment is hopeless as it is not breaking the chain of transmission efficiently enough- it’s too slow. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I'd rather take my chances with a virus that kills 0.3% than have this lot in charge of anything let alone a country. Everyday on here it gets more like the wicker Man meets 1984
Thank you for killing my wife.
The problem is, as Prof Whitty said.... Its bit just you taking your chances. If we people at low risk decide we're not going to follow the new rules because "chances are it won't kill me" we will inevitably pass the virus onto people who are at risk.
There was a wedding a couple of months ago. 60 guests.... A few had covid.... Of the 60, 47 were infected and they passed it on to a further 170 people. 7 died. None of those 7 had attended the wedding or broken any of the rules.
Just think about that.
This is an act of collectivism.
Oh no not the granny killer scenario, last week A 3 year old died from meningitis thanks for killing it with your streptococcus that 45% of the population harbor in they're throats, why don't you stick to obeying every rule I set out so that no more babies will ever die you mean mean person.
100,000 women missed there mammogram, 130,000 missed there smear, the NHS say there 6-9 months behind on cancer diagnosis in which early diagnosis is essential, 450 people a day die from cancer, where's that number going bearing in mind we were saving 2000 a day through early diagnosis???
Economic output dropped 28% in 6 months, 2-8 million people will lose there job at this rate, a whole generation of kids and teenagers have potentially ruined there education, depression is up, drug abuse up, alcoholism up, domestic abuse up, suicide up, crime up, heart disease up, fiscal deficits obliterated but I'm selfish because I'm not thinking about your wife??
"And if ANY of the figures you quote are in fact true that's all the more reason to knockle down and help speed up the process of controlling Covid. Simple really | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The virus is real but hardly a threat to the vast majority considering most of the deaths are over 80 plus ,and we feel the majority are more at risk from not getting diagnosed with life threatening illness such as Cancer, heart disease which seems to have been forgotten "...The virus is real but hardly a threat to the vast majority..." ------------------------------- The virus is a 'potential' threat to anyone who gets it. Death is not the only consequence of covid. Some of those who recover end up suffering from 'Long Covid' - with long term health issues. Long Covid is not exclusive to the old and vulnerable, it also affects the Young, Fit & Healthy. These ‘Long Covid’ sufferers will then need NHS treatment..... which will require more time and resources from the NHS......which will then lead to longer waiting lists........which will then lead to more people being undiagnosed for other illness........which will in turn lead to even more people dying due to lack of treatment. You say : "...we feel the majority are more at risk from not getting diagnosed with life threatening illness..". Well that situation will get even *worse* if we don't take steps to control the spread of this virus. So ignore all life threatening illness just concentrate on Corona ? What life threatening illnesses are being ignored? I was diagnosed with prostate cancer in April 2018 after going to a charity testing session that was held 3 times a year. There’s been no sessions this year due to Covid. My regular check up was delayed from April this year until two weeks ago. Luckily it hasn’t spread. There’s a good chance others are not that lucky." Aah, I wish you well.  | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The virus is real but hardly a threat to the vast majority considering most of the deaths are over 80 plus ,and we feel the majority are more at risk from not getting diagnosed with life threatening illness such as Cancer, heart disease which seems to have been forgotten "...The virus is real but hardly a threat to the vast majority..." ------------------------------- The virus is a 'potential' threat to anyone who gets it. Death is not the only consequence of covid. Some of those who recover end up suffering from 'Long Covid' - with long term health issues. Long Covid is not exclusive to the old and vulnerable, it also affects the Young, Fit & Healthy. These ‘Long Covid’ sufferers will then need NHS treatment..... which will require more time and resources from the NHS......which will then lead to longer waiting lists........which will then lead to more people being undiagnosed for other illness........which will in turn lead to even more people dying due to lack of treatment. You say : "...we feel the majority are more at risk from not getting diagnosed with life threatening illness..". Well that situation will get even *worse* if we don't take steps to control the spread of this virus. So ignore all life threatening illness just concentrate on Corona ? What life threatening illnesses are being ignored? I was diagnosed with prostate cancer in April 2018 after going to a charity testing session that was held 3 times a year. There’s been no sessions this year due to Covid. My regular check up was delayed from April this year until two weeks ago. Luckily it hasn’t spread. There’s a good chance others are not that lucky." But they have a backlog? It's not like they are just being ignored surely? If we dont have the resources to deal with both,they had a difficult decision to make. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The virus is real but hardly a threat to the vast majority considering most of the deaths are over 80 plus ,and we feel the majority are more at risk from not getting diagnosed with life threatening illness such as Cancer, heart disease which seems to have been forgotten "...The virus is real but hardly a threat to the vast majority..." ------------------------------- The virus is a 'potential' threat to anyone who gets it. Death is not the only consequence of covid. Some of those who recover end up suffering from 'Long Covid' - with long term health issues. Long Covid is not exclusive to the old and vulnerable, it also affects the Young, Fit & Healthy. These ‘Long Covid’ sufferers will then need NHS treatment..... which will require more time and resources from the NHS......which will then lead to longer waiting lists........which will then lead to more people being undiagnosed for other illness........which will in turn lead to even more people dying due to lack of treatment. You say : "...we feel the majority are more at risk from not getting diagnosed with life threatening illness..". Well that situation will get even *worse* if we don't take steps to control the spread of this virus. So ignore all life threatening illness just concentrate on Corona ? What life threatening illnesses are being ignored? I was diagnosed with prostate cancer in April 2018 after going to a charity testing session that was held 3 times a year. There’s been no sessions this year due to Covid. My regular check up was delayed from April this year until two weeks ago. Luckily it hasn’t spread. There’s a good chance others are not that lucky." I know of 2 cancer sufferers who have died through cancelled appointments glad you are ok | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The virus is real but hardly a threat to the vast majority considering most of the deaths are over 80 plus ,and we feel the majority are more at risk from not getting diagnosed with life threatening illness such as Cancer, heart disease which seems to have been forgotten "...The virus is real but hardly a threat to the vast majority..." ------------------------------- The virus is a 'potential' threat to anyone who gets it. Death is not the only consequence of covid. Some of those who recover end up suffering from 'Long Covid' - with long term health issues. Long Covid is not exclusive to the old and vulnerable, it also affects the Young, Fit & Healthy. These ‘Long Covid’ sufferers will then need NHS treatment..... which will require more time and resources from the NHS......which will then lead to longer waiting lists........which will then lead to more people being undiagnosed for other illness........which will in turn lead to even more people dying due to lack of treatment. You say : "...we feel the majority are more at risk from not getting diagnosed with life threatening illness..". Well that situation will get even *worse* if we don't take steps to control the spread of this virus. So ignore all life threatening illness just concentrate on Corona ? What life threatening illnesses are being ignored? I was diagnosed with prostate cancer in April 2018 after going to a charity testing session that was held 3 times a year. There’s been no sessions this year due to Covid. My regular check up was delayed from April this year until two weeks ago. Luckily it hasn’t spread. There’s a good chance others are not that lucky. But they have a backlog? It's not like they are just being ignored surely? If we dont have the resources to deal with both,they had a difficult decision to make. " Yes they did. They chose Covid. Nothing I can do about that. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I'd rather take my chances with a virus that kills 0.3% than have this lot in charge of anything let alone a country. Everyday on here it gets more like the wicker Man meets 1984
Thank you for killing my wife.
The problem is, as Prof Whitty said.... Its bit just you taking your chances. If we people at low risk decide we're not going to follow the new rules because "chances are it won't kill me" we will inevitably pass the virus onto people who are at risk.
There was a wedding a couple of months ago. 60 guests.... A few had covid.... Of the 60, 47 were infected and they passed it on to a further 170 people. 7 died. None of those 7 had attended the wedding or broken any of the rules.
Just think about that.
This is an act of collectivism.
Oh no not the granny killer scenario, last week A 3 year old died from meningitis thanks for killing it with your streptococcus that 45% of the population harbor in they're throats, why don't you stick to obeying every rule I set out so that no more babies will ever die you mean mean person.
100,000 women missed there mammogram, 130,000 missed there smear, the NHS say there 6-9 months behind on cancer diagnosis in which early diagnosis is essential, 450 people a day die from cancer, where's that number going bearing in mind we were saving 2000 a day through early diagnosis???
Economic output dropped 28% in 6 months, 2-8 million people will lose there job at this rate, a whole generation of kids and teenagers have potentially ruined there education, depression is up, drug abuse up, alcoholism up, domestic abuse up, suicide up, crime up, heart disease up, fiscal deficits obliterated but I'm selfish because I'm not thinking about your wife??
"Do you actually think the NHS are cancelling things for the fun of it? My local hospital was almost overwhelmed in the first Covid wave, they had to delay scheduled treatments to concentrate on those who were sickest, the same call they have to make year in year out. The more people break the rules, the more cases there will be, the more other treatments get delayed. It is so incredibly simple, do what you are asked, when you are asked, to help mitigate Covid and more people will be treated for other things. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I'd rather take my chances with a virus that kills 0.3% than have this lot in charge of anything let alone a country. Everyday on here it gets more like the wicker Man meets 1984
Thank you for killing my wife.
The problem is, as Prof Whitty said.... Its bit just you taking your chances. If we people at low risk decide we're not going to follow the new rules because "chances are it won't kill me" we will inevitably pass the virus onto people who are at risk.
There was a wedding a couple of months ago. 60 guests.... A few had covid.... Of the 60, 47 were infected and they passed it on to a further 170 people. 7 died. None of those 7 had attended the wedding or broken any of the rules.
Just think about that.
This is an act of collectivism.
Oh no not the granny killer scenario, last week A 3 year old died from meningitis thanks for killing it with your streptococcus that 45% of the population harbor in they're throats, why don't you stick to obeying every rule I set out so that no more babies will ever die you mean mean person.
100,000 women missed there mammogram, 130,000 missed there smear, the NHS say there 6-9 months behind on cancer diagnosis in which early diagnosis is essential, 450 people a day die from cancer, where's that number going bearing in mind we were saving 2000 a day through early diagnosis???
Economic output dropped 28% in 6 months, 2-8 million people will lose there job at this rate, a whole generation of kids and teenagers have potentially ruined there education, depression is up, drug abuse up, alcoholism up, domestic abuse up, suicide up, crime up, heart disease up, fiscal deficits obliterated but I'm selfish because I'm not thinking about your wife??
"Small price to pay, considering we are controlling the spread of the Virus. If it wasn't tragic it would have been funny. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The virus is real but hardly a threat to the vast majority considering most of the deaths are over 80 plus ,and we feel the majority are more at risk from not getting diagnosed with life threatening illness such as Cancer, heart disease which seems to have been forgotten "...The virus is real but hardly a threat to the vast majority..." ------------------------------- The virus is a 'potential' threat to anyone who gets it. Death is not the only consequence of covid. Some of those who recover end up suffering from 'Long Covid' - with long term health issues. Long Covid is not exclusive to the old and vulnerable, it also affects the Young, Fit & Healthy. These ‘Long Covid’ sufferers will then need NHS treatment..... which will require more time and resources from the NHS......which will then lead to longer waiting lists........which will then lead to more people being undiagnosed for other illness........which will in turn lead to even more people dying due to lack of treatment. You say : "...we feel the majority are more at risk from not getting diagnosed with life threatening illness..". Well that situation will get even *worse* if we don't take steps to control the spread of this virus. So ignore all life threatening illness just concentrate on Corona ? What life threatening illnesses are being ignored? I was diagnosed with prostate cancer in April 2018 after going to a charity testing session that was held 3 times a year. There’s been no sessions this year due to Covid. My regular check up was delayed from April this year until two weeks ago. Luckily it hasn’t spread. There’s a good chance others are not that lucky. But they have a backlog? It's not like they are just being ignored surely? If we dont have the resources to deal with both,they had a difficult decision to make. Yes they did. They chose Covid. Nothing I can do about that." Get well soon | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The virus is real but hardly a threat to the vast majority considering most of the deaths are over 80 plus ,and we feel the majority are more at risk from not getting diagnosed with life threatening illness such as Cancer, heart disease which seems to have been forgotten "...The virus is real but hardly a threat to the vast majority..." ------------------------------- The virus is a 'potential' threat to anyone who gets it. Death is not the only consequence of covid. Some of those who recover end up suffering from 'Long Covid' - with long term health issues. Long Covid is not exclusive to the old and vulnerable, it also affects the Young, Fit & Healthy. These ‘Long Covid’ sufferers will then need NHS treatment..... which will require more time and resources from the NHS......which will then lead to longer waiting lists........which will then lead to more people being undiagnosed for other illness........which will in turn lead to even more people dying due to lack of treatment. You say : "...we feel the majority are more at risk from not getting diagnosed with life threatening illness..". Well that situation will get even *worse* if we don't take steps to control the spread of this virus. So ignore all life threatening illness just concentrate on Corona ? What life threatening illnesses are being ignored? I was diagnosed with prostate cancer in April 2018 after going to a charity testing session that was held 3 times a year. There’s been no sessions this year due to Covid. My regular check up was delayed from April this year until two weeks ago. Luckily it hasn’t spread. There’s a good chance others are not that lucky. But they have a backlog? It's not like they are just being ignored surely? If we dont have the resources to deal with both,they had a difficult decision to make. " It’s important to remember all health trusts are not in the same situation. Some are delaying such treatments, some aren’t, it depends where in the country you are, what the resources are, and what is the local situation with covid. There are plenty of cancer treatments going ahead as normal, for example. A key issue that is also conveniently ignored is that whenever appointments are cancelled due to Covid, the patient in question’s risk has been assessed by medical professionals, and the cancellation has been chosen as the path of least risk for that patient. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Not sure if you are following the thread here ? No doubt your comments are correct .. However, I argue as do many others in here . If people had not blatantly broke the rules and took this much more seriously those operations would actually have gone ahead maybe? further that the reason we cant now schedule these kind of operations is because people have allowed the virus to spread by being selfish frankly .. and I doubt very much if anyone would disagree with me there .. if people had been acting more responsibly then we may not be in this situation now.. and that's the real issue here I feel ." I completely agree with you, but some really don't get it | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Whilst I agree with some of what you wrote, the figures and facts you mention are just what the government hope you'll believe. So lets look at FACTS. 1500 people die each and every week in this country from flu, and have done since the mid 60's. I think you should educate yourself on the Facts before you make such bold statements. 1500 per weekly deaths from flu, that's is you saying approx 72000 deaths per year from flu, hahahahaha you are either misinformed or not very good with facts and figures. Some years there are more deaths than the usual 8000 medium figures in the UK attributed to flu depending on circumstances that particular year. But the medium figure quoted is 8000 per year. 72000 haha some people!! " Where did you source your FACTS and figures, and where did you receive your training as a statistical health analyst? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Not sure if you are following the thread here ? No doubt your comments are correct .. However, I argue as do many others in here . If people had not blatantly broke the rules and took this much more seriously those operations would actually have gone ahead maybe? further that the reason we cant now schedule these kind of operations is because people have allowed the virus to spread by being selfish frankly .. and I doubt very much if anyone would disagree with me there .. if people had been acting more responsibly then we may not be in this situation now.. and that's the real issue here I feel . I completely agree with you, but some really don't get it "Spain had a really tough lockdown and the virus is still there | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Whilst I agree with some of what you wrote, the figures and facts you mention are just what the government hope you'll believe. So lets look at FACTS. 1500 people die each and every week in this country from flu, and have done since the mid 60's. I think you should educate yourself on the Facts before you make such bold statements. 1500 per weekly deaths from flu, that's is you saying approx 72000 deaths per year from flu, hahahahaha you are either misinformed or not very good with facts and figures. Some years there are more deaths than the usual 8000 medium figures in the UK attributed to flu depending on circumstances that particular year. But the medium figure quoted is 8000 per year. 72000 haha some people!! " Aw ffs this has been posted already earlier...try a bit of typing rather then copy and pasting from your tinfoil site  | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Whilst I agree with some of what you wrote, the figures and facts you mention are just what the government hope you'll believe. So lets look at FACTS. 1500 people die each and every week in this country from flu, and have done since the mid 60's. I think you should educate yourself on the Facts before you make such bold statements. 1500 per weekly deaths from flu, that's is you saying approx 72000 deaths per year from flu, hahahahaha you are either misinformed or not very good with facts and figures. Some years there are more deaths than the usual 8000 medium figures in the UK attributed to flu depending on circumstances that particular year. But the medium figure quoted is 8000 per year. 72000 haha some people!! Where did you source your FACTS and figures, and where did you receive your training as a statistical health analyst?" It seems everyone is stat analyst and an infectious disease expert,to be honest your all getting on my tits, we're that knitting thread | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Whilst I agree with some of what you wrote, the figures and facts you mention are just what the government hope you'll believe. So lets look at FACTS. 1500 people die each and every week in this country from flu, and have done since the mid 60's. I think you should educate yourself on the Facts before you make such bold statements. 1500 per weekly deaths from flu, that's is you saying approx 72000 deaths per year from flu, hahahahaha you are either misinformed or not very good with facts and figures. Some years there are more deaths than the usual 8000 medium figures in the UK attributed to flu depending on circumstances that particular year. But the medium figure quoted is 8000 per year. 72000 haha some people!! Where did you source your FACTS and figures, and where did you receive your training as a statistical health analyst?" Practically word for word from the 12th post on here... | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The scientists are trying to find a way of living with the virus until such time as the find a permanent solution. The draconian lockdown put the brakes on the spread Now we have lifted and reimposed some restrictions and they monitor the infection, hospitalisations and deaths and who is being infected and how It's all part of a big picture that some people seem incapable of understanding. Playing our part in doing the right thing makes this process work and will lead to a quicker return to a new normality with more freedoms but like most good things it comes at a short term cost for long term gain This is what some scientists are advocating but not the majority( including me- scientific background). Living with the virus means it’s still going to kill between 1 and 200 to 1 and 300 people. The effect of Long Covid is yet unknown but hundreds of thousands of people will be affected by it if we lived with the virus. Living with the virus means that we have given up on defeating it when other countries can do it. Where is our fighting spirit to defeat this enemy. UK and Ireland are island so an elimination strategy as advocated by the cross party committee on Covid is a practical solution. We are probably going to need a full lockdown for 3-4 weeks again and We are going to need testing to the level of the Asian countries - test contacts and contacts of contacts( or mass testing in an area) to keep a lid on transmission. International travellers all need testing. Lockdown is the only weapon at the moment working - it’s crude but effective. Fines should have been brought in months ago for breach of isolation rules. Testing at the moment is hopeless as it is not breaking the chain of transmission efficiently enough- it’s too slow." Vietnam did it. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Not sure if you are following the thread here ? No doubt your comments are correct .. However, I argue as do many others in here . If people had not blatantly broke the rules and took this much more seriously those operations would actually have gone ahead maybe? further that the reason we cant now schedule these kind of operations is because people have allowed the virus to spread by being selfish frankly .. and I doubt very much if anyone would disagree with me there .. if people had been acting more responsibly then we may not be in this situation now.. and that's the real issue here I feel . I completely agree with you, but some really don't get it Spain had a really tough lockdown and the virus is still there "Of course it is still there. We need to stick to the rules. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Whilst I agree with some of what you wrote, the figures and facts you mention are just what the government hope you'll believe. So lets look at FACTS. 1500 people die each and every week in this country from flu, and have done since the mid 60's. I think you should educate yourself on the Facts before you make such bold statements. 1500 per weekly deaths from flu, that's is you saying approx 72000 deaths per year from flu, hahahahaha you are either misinformed or not very good with facts and figures. Some years there are more deaths than the usual 8000 medium figures in the UK attributed to flu depending on circumstances that particular year. But the medium figure quoted is 8000 per year. 72000 haha some people!! Where did you source your FACTS and figures, and where did you receive your training as a statistical health analyst? It seems everyone is stat analyst and an infectious disease expert,to be honest your all getting on my tits, we're that knitting thread" All just nick bits of each other it seems.. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Whilst I agree with some of what you wrote, the figures and facts you mention are just what the government hope you'll believe. So lets look at FACTS. 1500 people die each and every week in this country from flu, and have done since the mid 60's. I think you should educate yourself on the Facts before you make such bold statements. 1500 per weekly deaths from flu, that's is you saying approx 72000 deaths per year from flu, hahahahaha you are either misinformed or not very good with facts and figures. Some years there are more deaths than the usual 8000 medium figures in the UK attributed to flu depending on circumstances that particular year. But the medium figure quoted is 8000 per year. 72000 haha some people!! Where did you source your FACTS and figures, and where did you receive your training as a statistical health analyst? Practically word for word from the 12th post on here..." Haha | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Whilst I agree with some of what you wrote, the figures and facts you mention are just what the government hope you'll believe. So lets look at FACTS. 1500 people die each and every week in this country from flu, and have done since the mid 60's. I think you should educate yourself on the Facts before you make such bold statements. 1500 per weekly deaths from flu, that's is you saying approx 72000 deaths per year from flu, hahahahaha you are either misinformed or not very good with facts and figures. Some years there are more deaths than the usual 8000 medium figures in the UK attributed to flu depending on circumstances that particular year. But the medium figure quoted is 8000 per year. 72000 haha some people!! " Spot on - 8,000 per annum is about right - ie a fifth of the number of deaths attributable to COVID. The certification now for COVID is very clear (new guidance issued) and separates the recording of those who died with or those who died of. Our figures are as accurate now as I think they can get (and let’s ignore the crap about people dying from heart attacks but being recorded as COVID deaths - the stats on heart related mortality have remained within normal parameters, if heart related deaths were being shunted into COVID figures we would see a decrease on heart related deaths - and there is not!) As I said before 99% of statistics are made up on the spot - or in the case of the poster making the claim of 1500 flu deaths a week - about 220% of his figures are made up on the spot! | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Whilst I agree with some of what you wrote, the figures and facts you mention are just what the government hope you'll believe. So lets look at FACTS. 1500 people die each and every week in this country from flu, and have done since the mid 60's. I think you should educate yourself on the Facts before you make such bold statements. 1500 per weekly deaths from flu, that's is you saying approx 72000 deaths per year from flu, hahahahaha you are either misinformed or not very good with facts and figures. Some years there are more deaths than the usual 8000 medium figures in the UK attributed to flu depending on circumstances that particular year. But the medium figure quoted is 8000 per year. 72000 haha some people!! Where did you source your FACTS and figures, and where did you receive your training as a statistical health analyst? Practically word for word from the 12th post on here..." oh dear! | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I'd rather take my chances with a virus that kills 0.3% than have this lot in charge of anything let alone a country. Everyday on here it gets more like the wicker Man meets 1984
Thank you for killing my wife.
The problem is, as Prof Whitty said.... Its bit just you taking your chances. If we people at low risk decide we're not going to follow the new rules because "chances are it won't kill me" we will inevitably pass the virus onto people who are at risk.
There was a wedding a couple of months ago. 60 guests.... A few had covid.... Of the 60, 47 were infected and they passed it on to a further 170 people. 7 died. None of those 7 had attended the wedding or broken any of the rules.
Just think about that.
This is an act of collectivism.
Oh no not the granny killer scenario, last week A 3 year old died from meningitis thanks for killing it with your streptococcus that 45% of the population harbor in they're throats, why don't you stick to obeying every rule I set out so that no more babies will ever die you mean mean person.
100,000 women missed there mammogram, 130,000 missed there smear, the NHS say there 6-9 months behind on cancer diagnosis in which early diagnosis is essential, 450 people a day die from cancer, where's that number going bearing in mind we were saving 2000 a day through early diagnosis???
Economic output dropped 28% in 6 months, 2-8 million people will lose there job at this rate, a whole generation of kids and teenagers have potentially ruined there education, depression is up, drug abuse up, alcoholism up, domestic abuse up, suicide up, crime up, heart disease up, fiscal deficits obliterated but I'm selfish because I'm not thinking about your wife??
Do you actually think the NHS are cancelling things for the fun of it? My local hospital was almost overwhelmed in the first Covid wave, they had to delay scheduled treatments to concentrate on those who were sickest, the same call they have to make year in year out. The more people break the rules, the more cases there will be, the more other treatments get delayed. It is so incredibly simple, do what you are asked, when you are asked, to help mitigate Covid and more people will be treated for other things."All the failures on treatments for cancers and other illnesses have been put on hold down to covid, but it is a consequence of covid, the fault lies with our governments inability to provide adequate funding for NHS which has been neglected for a good number of years. Covid is a very dangerous threat so measures had to be put in place to protect the NHS but it is politicians to blame for the shambles it has left in its wake | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I'd rather take my chances with a virus that kills 0.3% than have this lot in charge of anything let alone a country. Everyday on here it gets more like the wicker Man meets 1984
Thank you for killing my wife.
The problem is, as Prof Whitty said.... Its bit just you taking your chances. If we people at low risk decide we're not going to follow the new rules because "chances are it won't kill me" we will inevitably pass the virus onto people who are at risk.
There was a wedding a couple of months ago. 60 guests.... A few had covid.... Of the 60, 47 were infected and they passed it on to a further 170 people. 7 died. None of those 7 had attended the wedding or broken any of the rules.
Just think about that.
This is an act of collectivism.
Oh no not the granny killer scenario, last week A 3 year old died from meningitis thanks for killing it with your streptococcus that 45% of the population harbor in they're throats, why don't you stick to obeying every rule I set out so that no more babies will ever die you mean mean person.
100,000 women missed there mammogram, 130,000 missed there smear, the NHS say there 6-9 months behind on cancer diagnosis in which early diagnosis is essential, 450 people a day die from cancer, where's that number going bearing in mind we were saving 2000 a day through early diagnosis???
Economic output dropped 28% in 6 months, 2-8 million people will lose there job at this rate, a whole generation of kids and teenagers have potentially ruined there education, depression is up, drug abuse up, alcoholism up, domestic abuse up, suicide up, crime up, heart disease up, fiscal deficits obliterated but I'm selfish because I'm not thinking about your wife??
And if ANY of the figures you quote are in fact true that's all the more reason to knockle down and help speed up the process of controlling Covid.
Simple really". I missed a zero out, it's 1,000,000 women missed they're mammogram not 100,000 . | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I'd rather take my chances with a virus that kills 0.3% than have this lot in charge of anything let alone a country. Everyday on here it gets more like the wicker Man meets 1984
Thank you for killing my wife.
The problem is, as Prof Whitty said.... Its bit just you taking your chances. If we people at low risk decide we're not going to follow the new rules because "chances are it won't kill me" we will inevitably pass the virus onto people who are at risk.
There was a wedding a couple of months ago. 60 guests.... A few had covid.... Of the 60, 47 were infected and they passed it on to a further 170 people. 7 died. None of those 7 had attended the wedding or broken any of the rules.
Just think about that.
This is an act of collectivism.
Oh no not the granny killer scenario, last week A 3 year old died from meningitis thanks for killing it with your streptococcus that 45% of the population harbor in they're throats, why don't you stick to obeying every rule I set out so that no more babies will ever die you mean mean person.
100,000 women missed there mammogram, 130,000 missed there smear, the NHS say there 6-9 months behind on cancer diagnosis in which early diagnosis is essential, 450 people a day die from cancer, where's that number going bearing in mind we were saving 2000 a day through early diagnosis???
Economic output dropped 28% in 6 months, 2-8 million people will lose there job at this rate, a whole generation of kids and teenagers have potentially ruined there education, depression is up, drug abuse up, alcoholism up, domestic abuse up, suicide up, crime up, heart disease up, fiscal deficits obliterated but I'm selfish because I'm not thinking about your wife??
Do you actually think the NHS are cancelling things for the fun of it? My local hospital was almost overwhelmed in the first Covid wave, they had to delay scheduled treatments to concentrate on those who were sickest, the same call they have to make year in year out. The more people break the rules, the more cases there will be, the more other treatments get delayed. It is so incredibly simple, do what you are asked, when you are asked, to help mitigate Covid and more people will be treated for other things.
All the failures on treatments for cancers and other illnesses have been put on hold down to covid, but it is a consequence of covid, the fault lies with our governments inability to provide adequate funding for NHS which has been neglected for a good number of years. Covid is a very dangerous threat so measures had to be put in place to protect the NHS but it is politicians to blame for the shambles it has left in its wake"post I had deleted...I thought you had commented something...wrong guy...apologies | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I'd rather take my chances with a virus that kills 0.3% than have this lot in charge of anything let alone a country. Everyday on here it gets more like the wicker Man meets 1984
Thank you for killing my wife.
The problem is, as Prof Whitty said.... Its bit just you taking your chances. If we people at low risk decide we're not going to follow the new rules because "chances are it won't kill me" we will inevitably pass the virus onto people who are at risk.
There was a wedding a couple of months ago. 60 guests.... A few had covid.... Of the 60, 47 were infected and they passed it on to a further 170 people. 7 died. None of those 7 had attended the wedding or broken any of the rules.
Just think about that.
This is an act of collectivism.
Oh no not the granny killer scenario, last week A 3 year old died from meningitis thanks for killing it with your streptococcus that 45% of the population harbor in they're throats, why don't you stick to obeying every rule I set out so that no more babies will ever die you mean mean person.
100,000 women missed there mammogram, 130,000 missed there smear, the NHS say there 6-9 months behind on cancer diagnosis in which early diagnosis is essential, 450 people a day die from cancer, where's that number going bearing in mind we were saving 2000 a day through early diagnosis???
Economic output dropped 28% in 6 months, 2-8 million people will lose there job at this rate, a whole generation of kids and teenagers have potentially ruined there education, depression is up, drug abuse up, alcoholism up, domestic abuse up, suicide up, crime up, heart disease up, fiscal deficits obliterated but I'm selfish because I'm not thinking about your wife??
Do you actually think the NHS are cancelling things for the fun of it? My local hospital was almost overwhelmed in the first Covid wave, they had to delay scheduled treatments to concentrate on those who were sickest, the same call they have to make year in year out. The more people break the rules, the more cases there will be, the more other treatments get delayed. It is so incredibly simple, do what you are asked, when you are asked, to help mitigate Covid and more people will be treated for other things.
All the failures on treatments for cancers and other illnesses have been put on hold down to covid, but it is a consequence of covid, the fault lies with our governments inability to provide adequate funding for NHS which has been neglected for a good number of years. Covid is a very dangerous threat so measures had to be put in place to protect the NHS but it is politicians to blame for the shambles it has left in its wake"You can certainly lay some blame at the lack of investment over the decades, however none of that can be changed right now to help with our current situation. Hopefully lessons will be learned for the future, however right now, people need to actually do what is being asked so the NHS has as few avoidable infections as possible so it can have the capacity to deal with issues that aren't avoidable. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" All the failures on treatments for cancers and other illnesses have been put on hold down to covid, but it is a consequence of covid, the fault lies with our governments inability to provide adequate funding for NHS which has been neglected for a good number of years. Covid is a very dangerous threat so measures had to be put in place to protect the NHS but it is politicians to blame for the shambles it has left in its wake" I'd go one further and blame the electorate that has saw fit to keep the conservatives in power for 10 years. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Is that me you referring to. Sorry I have never said covid is not serious. Sometimes these posts get jumbled up, but I have never downplayed covid's threat" Maybe if you all stopped copy and pasting the same shite it wouldn't happen... | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Is that me you referring to. Sorry I have never said covid is not serious. Sometimes these posts get jumbled up, but I have never downplayed covid's threat Maybe if you all stopped copy and pasting the same shite it wouldn't happen..." That seems to be the problem in the virus room, all copy and paste | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Is that me you referring to. Sorry I have never said covid is not serious. Sometimes these posts get jumbled up, but I have never downplayed covid's threat Maybe if you all stopped copy and pasting the same shite it wouldn't happen... That seems to be the problem in the virus room, all copy and paste" Agreed ...by far too many experts for a swingers site. If you have a opinion good...say what you think. But the copy and paste jobs show a lack of a opinion to me. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" All the failures on treatments for cancers and other illnesses have been put on hold down to covid, but it is a consequence of covid, the fault lies with our governments inability to provide adequate funding for NHS which has been neglected for a good number of years. Covid is a very dangerous threat so measures had to be put in place to protect the NHS but it is politicians to blame for the shambles it has left in its wake I'd go one further and blame the electorate that has saw fit to keep the conservatives in power for 10 years." Labour when in power had it faults as well with the NHS, but there is no doubt the tories have been much worse in this respect. Maybe this will bring a bit of realisation to politicians that the NHS needs proper funding, even if it means an increase in tax for those who can afford it. But, I don't have any faith in this current tory party to fix any of our problems, worst bunch of politicians, Ever!! | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Is that me you referring to. Sorry I have never said covid is not serious. Sometimes these posts get jumbled up, but I have never downplayed covid's threat" Yes it was you...I deleted again sorry about that | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I wont repeat what others have said . However, suffice it to say the ' facts' are in fact not true in most cases you quote .. and anyway even if one person dies of flu or otherwise thats still too many isnt it ? It is sadly so very easy to be hoodwinked by a lot of the people on social media . One point you do make which does ring true however is the one involving civil liberties ( not heard of any detention centres , though I can easily see them building more prisons because so many people are breaking the law in general and wont stop) .. However, that wasn't my point . Have athink about this .. the rules that are being brought in are getting tighter .. we have moved on from ' Stay home and blah blah the virus' to a far more direct ' Idf you don't .. there will be consequences' approach .. Now tell me .. why do you think that is ? Could it be perhaps because people are not listening ..lets call them the ' 'Only 3% of people die from this' crew. They clearly wont follow the rules, have no intention of it .. so we all suffer! I suggest if people actually were good girls and boys and did what they were told we might have a chanceat getting things back to normal .. unfortunately they wont .. so mark my words no one will be allowed outside after 10pm unless for work or emergencies by the end of October ! and that will last until Spring when the evenings get more light again .. its the only way the police have of 'managing' a populatiuon hell bent on breaking the rules .. it goes back to how things were in wartime .. Now all tnhat could change if people stopped insisting on meeting , doing the stuff that isnt sensible to do and pretend that they are invincible .. I predict no Trick or treat, Bonfire night or indeed Christmas and New year festivities and celabrations such as we have known before .. Folow the rules .. just because . But Lockdown is not a cure and most people now realise that they personally have nothing to fear about getting Covid , in fact our biggest worry is getting any other serious illness because they are being ignored " Let me get this straight, what you want is to get rid of restrictions because it stops people being diagnosed with serious diseases? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The scientists are trying to find a way of living with the virus until such time as the find a permanent solution. The draconian lockdown put the brakes on the spread Now we have lifted and reimposed some restrictions and they monitor the infection, hospitalisations and deaths and who is being infected and how It's all part of a big picture that some people seem incapable of understanding. Playing our part in doing the right thing makes this process work and will lead to a quicker return to a new normality with more freedoms but like most good things it comes at a short term cost for long term gain" | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Maybe if we had a reliable track and trace system operated by local health teams instead of a failing centralised system we may have been in a better position going into autumn and winter." Our County Council have taken ownership of the individuals not traced by the centralised setup and are now hitting the high 90%'s as a percentage of traced individuals. It seems unlikely that they're the only local authority doing this. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Maybe if we had a reliable track and trace system operated by local health teams instead of a failing centralised system we may have been in a better position going into autumn and winter. Our County Council have taken ownership of the individuals not traced by the centralised setup and are now hitting the high 90%'s as a percentage of traced individuals. It seems unlikely that they're the only local authority doing this." PHE with local authorities has a track and trace system already.. it is used frequently for things like norovirus etc - yet the Govt decided to do it differently ... | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Maybe if we had a reliable track and trace system operated by local health teams instead of a failing centralised system we may have been in a better position going into autumn and winter. Our County Council have taken ownership of the individuals not traced by the centralised setup and are now hitting the high 90%'s as a percentage of traced individuals. It seems unlikely that they're the only local authority doing this."
It’s a shame they didn’t do this nationwide from the start. Germany has always gone down the regional route. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"As 1 said earlier its not covid you should fear, its the civil unrest this will and is causing. When unemployment rises above 6mil because it will and most fall not on hard times but really will struggle to live. Little Johnny won't get his play station or new trainers then. Were heading for a total disaster with this,,,, my advice... Belive me and I mean this.... Live well you still can because things are going to change and it will be a situation not very many will of known or lived through " I think you have got this spot on ,have always said we won’t be talking about Covid soon but all the hardship loads will be facing this can start wars | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Maybe if we had a reliable track and trace system operated by local health teams instead of a failing centralised system we may have been in a better position going into autumn and winter. Our County Council have taken ownership of the individuals not traced by the centralised setup and are now hitting the high 90%'s as a percentage of traced individuals. It seems unlikely that they're the only local authority doing this.
It’s a shame they didn’t do this nationwide from the start. Germany has always gone down the regional route."Absolutely. Regional always has the edge on centralised as the 'regions' have far better local geographic and cultural knowledge. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"As 1 said earlier its not covid you should fear, its the civil unrest this will and is causing. When unemployment rises above 6mil because it will and most fall not on hard times but really will struggle to live. Little Johnny won't get his play station or new trainers then. Were heading for a total disaster with this,,,, my advice... Belive me and I mean this.... Live well you still can because things are going to change and it will be a situation not very many will of known or lived through I think you have got this spot on ,have always said we won’t be talking about Covid soon but all the hardship loads will be facing this can start wars " Totally agree,, look we have 2 choices really,,, shut the country down for a month and I mean total lock down,, I know that will never happen,,, or we crack on because the consequences of what is happening now dosent bare thinking about. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"As 1 said earlier its not covid you should fear, its the civil unrest this will and is causing. When unemployment rises above 6mil because it will and most fall not on hard times but really will struggle to live. Little Johnny won't get his play station or new trainers then. Were heading for a total disaster with this,,,, my advice... Belive me and I mean this.... Live well you still can because things are going to change and it will be a situation not very many will of known or lived through I think you have got this spot on ,have always said we won’t be talking about Covid soon but all the hardship loads will be facing this can start wars Totally agree,, look we have 2 choices really,,, shut the country down for a month and I mean total lock down,, I know that will never happen,,, or we crack on because the consequences of what is happening now dosent bare thinking about. " | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"As 1 said earlier its not covid you should fear, its the civil unrest this will and is causing. When unemployment rises above 6mil because it will and most fall not on hard times but really will struggle to live. Little Johnny won't get his play station or new trainers then. Were heading for a total disaster with this,,,, my advice... Belive me and I mean this.... Live well you still can because things are going to change and it will be a situation not very many will of known or lived through I think you have got this spot on ,have always said we won’t be talking about Covid soon but all the hardship loads will be facing this can start wars " So again...you want everyone to just get on with it....the attitude is well it wont affect me so it's ok... | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"As 1 said earlier its not covid you should fear, its the civil unrest this will and is causing. When unemployment rises above 6mil because it will and most fall not on hard times but really will struggle to live. Little Johnny won't get his play station or new trainers then. Were heading for a total disaster with this,,,, my advice... Belive me and I mean this.... Live well you still can because things are going to change and it will be a situation not very many will of known or lived through I think you have got this spot on ,have always said we won’t be talking about Covid soon but all the hardship loads will be facing this can start wars So again...you want everyone to just get on with it....the attitude is well it wont affect me so it's ok..." No I'd go for option 1,, shut the country down and I mean down,, all payments frooze and debt,, rent mortgage,, the lot it's shuts down,, not allowed out the house unless you 100% have to be,,, I know they won't do this,, so unless you want to live in a country that will be basically bankrupt and civil unrest everywhere you look,, I recommend we crack on,,, we can't carry on this half hearted crap it will never ever work | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"As 1 said earlier its not covid you should fear, its the civil unrest this will and is causing. When unemployment rises above 6mil because it will and most fall not on hard times but really will struggle to live. Little Johnny won't get his play station or new trainers then. Were heading for a total disaster with this,,,, my advice... Belive me and I mean this.... Live well you still can because things are going to change and it will be a situation not very many will of known or lived through I think you have got this spot on ,have always said we won’t be talking about Covid soon but all the hardship loads will be facing this can start wars So again...you want everyone to just get on with it....the attitude is well it wont affect me so it's ok... No I'd go for option 1,, shut the country down and I mean down,, all payments frooze and debt,, rent mortgage,, the lot it's shuts down,, not allowed out the house unless you 100% have to be,,, I know they won't do this,, so unless you want to live in a country that will be basically bankrupt and civil unrest everywhere you look,, I recommend we crack on,,, we can't carry on this half hearted crap it will never ever work " That's probably the second worst option, we can't defeat it we need to understand it and we will need to live with it. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"As 1 said earlier its not covid you should fear, its the civil unrest this will and is causing. When unemployment rises above 6mil because it will and most fall not on hard times but really will struggle to live. Little Johnny won't get his play station or new trainers then. Were heading for a total disaster with this,,,, my advice... Belive me and I mean this.... Live well you still can because things are going to change and it will be a situation not very many will of known or lived through I think you have got this spot on ,have always said we won’t be talking about Covid soon but all the hardship loads will be facing this can start wars So again...you want everyone to just get on with it....the attitude is well it wont affect me so it's ok... No I'd go for option 1,, shut the country down and I mean down,, all payments frooze and debt,, rent mortgage,, the lot it's shuts down,, not allowed out the house unless you 100% have to be,,, I know they won't do this,, so unless you want to live in a country that will be basically bankrupt and civil unrest everywhere you look,, I recommend we crack on,,, we can't carry on this half hearted crap it will never ever work " France and Spain introduced hard lockdown were you needed permission to leave the house. Surprisingly Covid was still there when they opened up, look at them now. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"As 1 said earlier its not covid you should fear, its the civil unrest this will and is causing. When unemployment rises above 6mil because it will and most fall not on hard times but really will struggle to live. Little Johnny won't get his play station or new trainers then. Were heading for a total disaster with this,,,, my advice... Belive me and I mean this.... Live well you still can because things are going to change and it will be a situation not very many will of known or lived through I think you have got this spot on ,have always said we won’t be talking about Covid soon but all the hardship loads will be facing this can start wars So again...you want everyone to just get on with it....the attitude is well it wont affect me so it's ok... No I'd go for option 1,, shut the country down and I mean down,, all payments frooze and debt,, rent mortgage,, the lot it's shuts down,, not allowed out the house unless you 100% have to be,,, I know they won't do this,, so unless you want to live in a country that will be basically bankrupt and civil unrest everywhere you look,, I recommend we crack on,,, we can't carry on this half hearted crap it will never ever work That's probably the second worst option, we can't defeat it we need to understand it and we will need to live with it." OK then we'll you tell me what you do with at the best estimate of mine, 6mil unemployed, and all the heartache that goes with that. Please I'm all ears | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"As 1 said earlier its not covid you should fear, its the civil unrest this will and is causing. When unemployment rises above 6mil because it will and most fall not on hard times but really will struggle to live. Little Johnny won't get his play station or new trainers then. Were heading for a total disaster with this,,,, my advice... Belive me and I mean this.... Live well you still can because things are going to change and it will be a situation not very many will of known or lived through I think you have got this spot on ,have always said we won’t be talking about Covid soon but all the hardship loads will be facing this can start wars So again...you want everyone to just get on with it....the attitude is well it wont affect me so it's ok... No I'd go for option 1,, shut the country down and I mean down,, all payments frooze and debt,, rent mortgage,, the lot it's shuts down,, not allowed out the house unless you 100% have to be,,, I know they won't do this,, so unless you want to live in a country that will be basically bankrupt and civil unrest everywhere you look,, I recommend we crack on,,, we can't carry on this half hearted crap it will never ever work That's probably the second worst option, we can't defeat it we need to understand it and we will need to live with it. OK then we'll you tell me what you do with at the best estimate of mine, 6mil unemployed, and all the heartache that goes with that. Please I'm all ears " Sorry but your estimates of unemployment are worthless and of no interest to me whatsoever. The fastest way to get back to normal is understand the virus not ignore it and then get to another situation where we shut everything, anyway the amount of unemployment brexit will create will possibly far outweigh Covid | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"As 1 said earlier its not covid you should fear, its the civil unrest this will and is causing. When unemployment rises above 6mil because it will and most fall not on hard times but really will struggle to live. Little Johnny won't get his play station or new trainers then. Were heading for a total disaster with this,,,, my advice... Belive me and I mean this.... Live well you still can because things are going to change and it will be a situation not very many will of known or lived through I think you have got this spot on ,have always said we won’t be talking about Covid soon but all the hardship loads will be facing this can start wars So again...you want everyone to just get on with it....the attitude is well it wont affect me so it's ok... No I'd go for option 1,, shut the country down and I mean down,, all payments frooze and debt,, rent mortgage,, the lot it's shuts down,, not allowed out the house unless you 100% have to be,,, I know they won't do this,, so unless you want to live in a country that will be basically bankrupt and civil unrest everywhere you look,, I recommend we crack on,,, we can't carry on this half hearted crap it will never ever work That's probably the second worst option, we can't defeat it we need to understand it and we will need to live with it. OK then we'll you tell me what you do with at the best estimate of mine, 6mil unemployed, and all the heartache that goes with that. Please I'm all ears Sorry but your estimates of unemployment are worthless and of no interest to me whatsoever. The fastest way to get back to normal is understand the virus not ignore it and then get to another situation where we shut everything, anyway the amount of unemployment brexit will create will possibly far outweigh Covid " May I say you are living in fantasy land | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"As 1 said earlier its not covid you should fear, its the civil unrest this will and is causing. When unemployment rises above 6mil because it will and most fall not on hard times but really will struggle to live. Little Johnny won't get his play station or new trainers then. Were heading for a total disaster with this,,,, my advice... Belive me and I mean this.... Live well you still can because things are going to change and it will be a situation not very many will of known or lived through I think you have got this spot on ,have always said we won’t be talking about Covid soon but all the hardship loads will be facing this can start wars So again...you want everyone to just get on with it....the attitude is well it wont affect me so it's ok... No I'd go for option 1,, shut the country down and I mean down,, all payments frooze and debt,, rent mortgage,, the lot it's shuts down,, not allowed out the house unless you 100% have to be,,, I know they won't do this,, so unless you want to live in a country that will be basically bankrupt and civil unrest everywhere you look,, I recommend we crack on,,, we can't carry on this half hearted crap it will never ever work That's probably the second worst option, we can't defeat it we need to understand it and we will need to live with it. OK then we'll you tell me what you do with at the best estimate of mine, 6mil unemployed, and all the heartache that goes with that. Please I'm all ears Sorry but your estimates of unemployment are worthless and of no interest to me whatsoever. The fastest way to get back to normal is understand the virus not ignore it and then get to another situation where we shut everything, anyway the amount of unemployment brexit will create will possibly far outweigh Covid May I say you are living in fantasy land " Yes I know I do, it's called utopia, but what in my statement annoys you ? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The virus is real but hardly a threat to the vast majority considering most of the deaths are over 80 plus ,and we feel the majority are more at risk from not getting diagnosed with life threatening illness such as Cancer, heart disease which seems to have been forgotten "...The virus is real but hardly a threat to the vast majority..." ------------------------------- The virus is a 'potential' threat to anyone who gets it. Death is not the only consequence of covid. Some of those who recover end up suffering from 'Long Covid' - with long term health issues. Long Covid is not exclusive to the old and vulnerable, it also affects the Young, Fit & Healthy. These ‘Long Covid’ sufferers will then need NHS treatment..... which will require more time and resources from the NHS......which will then lead to longer waiting lists........which will then lead to more people being undiagnosed for other illness........which will in turn lead to even more people dying due to lack of treatment. You say : "...we feel the majority are more at risk from not getting diagnosed with life threatening illness..". Well that situation will get even *worse* if we don't take steps to control the spread of this virus. So ignore all life threatening illness just concentrate on Corona ? " When there are 10,000 in intensive care in a few months time there will little capacity for treating anything else... I do not expect we will actually get to that point but only because we will see another full essential workers only lockdown between now and Christmas. We will see the daily deaths back into 3 digits next week.  | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I wonder if it has occurred to people that this will not be the last pandemic we see? With the world population increasing so rapidly and with so much international travel, it's only a matter of time before a new virus emerges and the whole shambles starts again... if we have to lockdown everytime then the world as we know it will cease to exist. " That is true, and the next one may spread like Covid but have the mortality rate of Ebola  | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The virus is real but hardly a threat to the vast majority considering most of the deaths are over 80 plus ,and we feel the majority are more at risk from not getting diagnosed with life threatening illness such as Cancer, heart disease which seems to have been forgotten " Exactly...... | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The virus is real but hardly a threat to the vast majority considering most of the deaths are over 80 plus ,and we feel the majority are more at risk from not getting diagnosed with life threatening illness such as Cancer, heart disease which seems to have been forgotten Exactly...... "Really ? Over 80 now ? Really ? Hmmmm | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The virus is real but hardly a threat to the vast majority considering most of the deaths are over 80 plus ,and we feel the majority are more at risk from not getting diagnosed with life threatening illness such as Cancer, heart disease which seems to have been forgotten Exactly......
Really ?
Over 80 now ?
Really ?
Hmmmm". According to the ons breakdown on covid19 deaths registered in England and Wales the average age was 82 and the average comorbidities was 2.7. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I wonder if it has occurred to people that this will not be the last pandemic we see? With the world population increasing so rapidly and with so much international travel, it's only a matter of time before a new virus emerges and the whole shambles starts again... if we have to lockdown everytime then the world as we know it will cease to exist. That is true, and the next one may spread like Covid but have the mortality rate of Ebola "If it had the mortality rate of Ebola then it wouldn't spread like sars-cov2 , Ebola kills people far too quickly to have a large spread pattern, there's a reason why you've come through 250 million years of evolution without a extinction level virus ever occurring. They don't happen | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I wonder if it has occurred to people that this will not be the last pandemic we see? With the world population increasing so rapidly and with so much international travel, it's only a matter of time before a new virus emerges and the whole shambles starts again... if we have to lockdown everytime then the world as we know it will cease to exist. That is true, and the next one may spread like Covid but have the mortality rate of Ebola
If it had the mortality rate of Ebola then it wouldn't spread like sars-cov2 , Ebola kills people far too quickly to have a large spread pattern, there's a reason why you've come through 250 million years of evolution without a extinction level virus ever occurring.
They don't happen"True, Ebola level of mortality tends to self limit spread. I don’t really mean extinction level, but 5 or 10% or more mortality rate isn’t beyond possible. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I wonder if it has occurred to people that this will not be the last pandemic we see? With the world population increasing so rapidly and with so much international travel, it's only a matter of time before a new virus emerges and the whole shambles starts again... if we have to lockdown everytime then the world as we know it will cease to exist. That is true, and the next one may spread like Covid but have the mortality rate of Ebola
If it had the mortality rate of Ebola then it wouldn't spread like sars-cov2 , Ebola kills people far too quickly to have a large spread pattern, there's a reason why you've come through 250 million years of evolution without a extinction level virus ever occurring.
They don't happen
True, Ebola level of mortality tends to self limit spread. I don’t really mean extinction level, but 5 or 10% or more mortality rate isn’t beyond possible.
". Some strains of Ebola go upto 50-60% mortality rate, it's been around a long long time and despite the advancement of human movement still doesn't make in roads on any mass pandemic perse. To have a truly big killer you'd need the infectiousness of measles combined with the mortality rate of Ebola!. Or you could try sticking the proteins from Sars and hiv to a Corona virus in a gain of function laboratory in China with a piss poor record of containment and see how that goes | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The scientists are trying to find a way of living with the virus until such time as the find a permanent solution. The draconian lockdown put the brakes on the spread Now we have lifted and reimposed some restrictions and they monitor the infection, hospitalisations and deaths and who is being infected and how It's all part of a big picture that some people seem incapable of understanding. Playing our part in doing the right thing makes this process work and will lead to a quicker return to a new normality with more freedoms but like most good things it comes at a short term cost for long term gain" Totally agree. What people say and what people do are something entirely different. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I'm slightly concerned by people who quote the numbers who are dying from other things as some sort of reason for getting rid of restrictions and allowing Covid to spread through society. What do they think will happen when the hospitals fill up with Covid patients again, are we going to hold cancer clinics in village halls? If you are a selfish prick and don't care about the chronically ill, elderly, and disabled dying so long as you get to fuck internet strangers and go to the pub, then own that. Don't pretend this is how much you care about other people." Quite  | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Good post
It's a rubbish situation, but the people getting cross and acting like they're the victims of a conspiracy are helping absolutely no one. "It helps the millionaire Icke and co, who profit from fomenting the misery of others. Not to mention the foreign governments who are funding the manipulation of pliable minds here, with thousands who feel special because they know the 'truth' - the irony is lost on them | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I'm slightly concerned by people who quote the numbers who are dying from other things as some sort of reason for getting rid of restrictions and allowing Covid to spread through society. What do they think will happen when the hospitals fill up with Covid patients again, are we going to hold cancer clinics in village halls? If you are a selfish prick and don't care about the chronically ill, elderly, and disabled dying so long as you get to fuck internet strangers and go to the pub, then own that. Don't pretend this is how much you care about other people." As the person who mentioned the cancer clinics and a person with cancer I find that offensive. Why do you think someone who questions the current restrictions on businesses and peoples livelihood's means they don't support the basic advice re distancing, hand hygiene, mask wearing and want to let covid rip through society. That they are a selfish prick who doesn't care about the elderly. those with comorbidities just wanting to get a fuck off the internet. I'm not sure who I dislike most on here, the tin foil hat wearing covid deniers or the sanctimonious often abusive few who attack anyone with a different opinion. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I'm slightly concerned by people who quote the numbers who are dying from other things as some sort of reason for getting rid of restrictions and allowing Covid to spread through society. What do they think will happen when the hospitals fill up with Covid patients again, are we going to hold cancer clinics in village halls? If you are a selfish prick and don't care about the chronically ill, elderly, and disabled dying so long as you get to fuck internet strangers and go to the pub, then own that. Don't pretend this is how much you care about other people. As the person who mentioned the cancer clinics and a person with cancer I find that offensive. Why do you think someone who questions the current restrictions on businesses and peoples livelihood's means they don't support the basic advice re distancing, hand hygiene, mask wearing and want to let covid rip through society. That they are a selfish prick who doesn't care about the elderly. those with comorbidities just wanting to get a fuck off the internet. I'm not sure who I dislike most on here, the tin foil hat wearing covid deniers or the sanctimonious often abusive few who attack anyone with a different opinion." I did not mean to offend but there are folk on here who use people’s health as a reason to not lockdown without realising that if we open up then the hospitals will fill up with Covid patients and we will once again not be able to treat the very people they say are missing out. I may be wrong but I genuinely don’t think these people give a shit about the health of others, I think they use it as an excuse to be allowed do what they want. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I'm slightly concerned by people who quote the numbers who are dying from other things as some sort of reason for getting rid of restrictions and allowing Covid to spread through society. What do they think will happen when the hospitals fill up with Covid patients again, are we going to hold cancer clinics in village halls? If you are a selfish prick and don't care about the chronically ill, elderly, and disabled dying so long as you get to fuck internet strangers and go to the pub, then own that. Don't pretend this is how much you care about other people. As the person who mentioned the cancer clinics and a person with cancer I find that offensive. Why do you think someone who questions the current restrictions on businesses and peoples livelihood's means they don't support the basic advice re distancing, hand hygiene, mask wearing and want to let covid rip through society. That they are a selfish prick who doesn't care about the elderly. those with comorbidities just wanting to get a fuck off the internet. I'm not sure who I dislike most on here, the tin foil hat wearing covid deniers or the sanctimonious often abusive few who attack anyone with a different opinion." I find both groups pretty vile tbh Many people like myself follow every law to the letter but still believe there's a better way to tackle the virus than than the way the government is going about it. Some posters on here label you a granny killer if you so much as begin to question the viability of full lockdowns. The leaps they make are Incredible. KJ | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I'm slightly concerned by people who quote the numbers who are dying from other things as some sort of reason for getting rid of restrictions and allowing Covid to spread through society. What do they think will happen when the hospitals fill up with Covid patients again, are we going to hold cancer clinics in village halls? If you are a selfish prick and don't care about the chronically ill, elderly, and disabled dying so long as you get to fuck internet strangers and go to the pub, then own that. Don't pretend this is how much you care about other people. As the person who mentioned the cancer clinics and a person with cancer I find that offensive. Why do you think someone who questions the current restrictions on businesses and peoples livelihood's means they don't support the basic advice re distancing, hand hygiene, mask wearing and want to let covid rip through society. That they are a selfish prick who doesn't care about the elderly. those with comorbidities just wanting to get a fuck off the internet. I'm not sure who I dislike most on here, the tin foil hat wearing covid deniers or the sanctimonious often abusive few who attack anyone with a different opinion. I find both groups pretty vile tbh Many people like myself follow every law to the letter but still believe there's a better way to tackle the virus than than the way the government is going about it. Some posters on here label you a granny killer if you so much as begin to question the viability of full lockdowns. The leaps they make are Incredible. KJ " Yes, everyone should be encouraged to discuss their opinions whatever their beliefs but people going beyond that and stating they have no intention of complying with the law is deplorable. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I'm slightly concerned by people who quote the numbers who are dying from other things as some sort of reason for getting rid of restrictions and allowing Covid to spread through society. What do they think will happen when the hospitals fill up with Covid patients again, are we going to hold cancer clinics in village halls? If you are a selfish prick and don't care about the chronically ill, elderly, and disabled dying so long as you get to fuck internet strangers and go to the pub, then own that. Don't pretend this is how much you care about other people. As the person who mentioned the cancer clinics and a person with cancer I find that offensive. Why do you think someone who questions the current restrictions on businesses and peoples livelihood's means they don't support the basic advice re distancing, hand hygiene, mask wearing and want to let covid rip through society. That they are a selfish prick who doesn't care about the elderly. those with comorbidities just wanting to get a fuck off the internet. I'm not sure who I dislike most on here, the tin foil hat wearing covid deniers or the sanctimonious often abusive few who attack anyone with a different opinion. I did not mean to offend but there are folk on here who use people’s health as a reason to not lockdown without realising that if we open up then the hospitals will fill up with Covid patients and we will once again not be able to treat the very people they say are missing out. I may be wrong but I genuinely don’t think these people give a shit about the health of others, I think they use it as an excuse to be allowed do what they want." Thats why we should leave it to the scientists who have access to the information necessary to make the rules. Some people complain about the u-turns on various things, face coverings being the most obvious. Personally I see flexibility and adaptibility to an evolving situation as a positive not a negative | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I'm slightly concerned by people who quote the numbers who are dying from other things as some sort of reason for getting rid of restrictions and allowing Covid to spread through society. What do they think will happen when the hospitals fill up with Covid patients again, are we going to hold cancer clinics in village halls? If you are a selfish prick and don't care about the chronically ill, elderly, and disabled dying so long as you get to fuck internet strangers and go to the pub, then own that. Don't pretend this is how much you care about other people. As the person who mentioned the cancer clinics and a person with cancer I find that offensive. Why do you think someone who questions the current restrictions on businesses and peoples livelihood's means they don't support the basic advice re distancing, hand hygiene, mask wearing and want to let covid rip through society. That they are a selfish prick who doesn't care about the elderly. those with comorbidities just wanting to get a fuck off the internet. I'm not sure who I dislike most on here, the tin foil hat wearing covid deniers or the sanctimonious often abusive few who attack anyone with a different opinion. I did not mean to offend but there are folk on here who use people’s health as a reason to not lockdown without realising that if we open up then the hospitals will fill up with Covid patients and we will once again not be able to treat the very people they say are missing out. I may be wrong but I genuinely don’t think these people give a shit about the health of others, I think they use it as an excuse to be allowed do what they want. Thats why we should leave it to the scientists who have access to the information necessary to make the rules. Some people complain about the u-turns on various things, face coverings being the most obvious. Personally I see flexibility and adaptibility to an evolving situation as a positive not a negative " There is a difference between being adaptable to a changing situation and not even being arsed to be briefed about the latest developments. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The scientists are trying to find a way of living with the virus until such time as the find a permanent solution. The draconian lockdown put the brakes on the spread Now we have lifted and reimposed some restrictions and they monitor the infection, hospitalisations and deaths and who is being infected and how It's all part of a big picture that some people seem incapable of understanding. Playing our part in doing the right thing makes this process work and will lead to a quicker return to a new normality with more freedoms but like most good things it comes at a short term cost for long term gain" | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Whilst I agree with some of what you wrote, the figures and facts you mention are just what the government hope you'll believe. So lets look at FACTS. 1500 people die each and every week in this country from flu, and have done since the mid 60's. I think you should educate yourself on the Facts before you make such bold statements. 1500 per weekly deaths from flu, that's is you saying approx 72000 deaths per year from flu, hahahahaha you are either misinformed or not very good with facts and figures. Some years there are more deaths than the usual 8000 medium figures in the UK attributed to flu depending on circumstances that particular year. But the medium figure quoted is 8000 per year. 72000 haha some people!! " Yes but what about the ones that aren’t counted? What about the long flu? What about the others who aren’t treated each year as the NHS is overwhelmed? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"To me we are doing all the wrong things to have significant long term gain." So in your opinion what should we be doing ??? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I'd rather take my chances with a virus that kills 0.3% than have this lot in charge of anything let alone a country. Everyday on here it gets more like the wicker Man meets 1984 "There is a thought provoking thread on here about getting in with things, a person used a program to look at the spread of the virus. Getting on with things closed the country down quicker, than if restrictions were imposed. As the people getting on with it, passed the virus to everyone they met, large amounts of people were ill and couldn't work. So businesses closed quicker, than if restrictions were imposed. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| Post new Message to Thread |
| back to top |  |
