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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I've just become aware of this term and I've engaged in some frankly ridiculous conversations with an outright covid denier and it's made me curious as to why in times of uncertainty and/or fear that some people go to denial about the scale of a challenge, particularly one where there isn't an end in sight or an easy way out, and find comfort in denial or scepticism. I find it fascinating and frustrating in equal measure and was wondering if anyone else is getting frustrated with covid scepticism/denial?

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By *isaB45Woman
over a year ago

Fabville

It's because they are stupid.

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By *uietlykinkymeWoman
over a year ago

kinky land

In the same way some people run around shouting 'the sky is falling ' some people refuse to believe the virus is any different to other viruses and hence no more threatening.

As with any subject, people don't just fall on one side or the other, more some don't seem to want to land at all.

Part of the very colourful spectrum of society

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By *isaB45Woman
over a year ago

Fabville

Over one million deaths worldwide, directly attributed to Covid. Many more ill in varying degrees.

So which bit isn't real, then?

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"It's because they are stupid.

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Maybe they are scared and trying t hide it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Over one million deaths worldwide, directly attributed to Covid. Many more ill in varying degrees.

So which bit isn't real, then?"

Every Year: 6.7 million die of hunger, 797 million have no access to clean water, 17 million die of heart disease.

So far this year 9.7 million from other communicable diseases (i.e. Viruses)

1.2 million by HIV/AIDS, 6.1 million from cancer, 11.8 million smoking, 1.8 million alcohol. The list goes on but we never get bent out of shape over all of these?

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By *isaB45Woman
over a year ago

Fabville


"It's because they are stupid.

Maybe they are scared and trying t hide it?"

A lot of people are scared, but they don't all go around putting others at risk because it's 'just a bad cold' etc..

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It's because they are stupid.

Maybe they are scared and trying t hide it?"
I think there might well be something in this - it's almost like a fight or flight type response

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By *isaB45Woman
over a year ago

Fabville


"Over one million deaths worldwide, directly attributed to Covid. Many more ill in varying degrees.

So which bit isn't real, then?

Every Year: 6.7 million die of hunger, 797 million have no access to clean water, 17 million die of heart disease.

So far this year 9.7 million from other communicable diseases (i.e. Viruses)

1.2 million by HIV/AIDS, 6.1 million from cancer, 11.8 million smoking, 1.8 million alcohol. The list goes on but we never get bent out of shape over all of these?"

All of those preventable and treatable.

Covid is a new disease that is/was not understood.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Total idiots

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Over one million deaths worldwide, directly attributed to Covid. Many more ill in varying degrees.

So which bit isn't real, then?

Every Year: 6.7 million die of hunger, 797 million have no access to clean water, 17 million die of heart disease.

So far this year 9.7 million from other communicable diseases (i.e. Viruses)

1.2 million by HIV/AIDS, 6.1 million from cancer, 11.8 million smoking, 1.8 million alcohol. The list goes on but we never get bent out of shape over all of these?"
I'm concerned about all of these and covid too

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire

It's a psychological disorder.

Look at the wikipedia entry for 'conspiracy theory'.

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By *isaB45Woman
over a year ago

Fabville


"It's a psychological disorder.

Look at the wikipedia entry for 'conspiracy theory'."

Just make sure you stay away from others then..and wear tin foil on your head

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By *1tten92Woman
over a year ago

Reading

Cock Wombles

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Honestly the whole thing reminds me of those post apocalyptic movies when there is a group of survivors and the lead character is trying their best to manage the situation and keep everyone happy but then you get a group of fucktards that start to mutiny because they got rationed 10g less pasta than the day before and you're screaming "Nooooo stop being a fucktard!!!" at the screen but they carry on doing shit things and set off like an avalanche or some shit and people die so they finally realise they were being fucktards but by then it's too late. You know what I mean?

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

I also find it fascinating and kind of scary that there seems to be quite a lot of people on and off here that still think this virus doesn't exist/is made up/man made etc etc.

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

My 19 year old said tonight 'I'm thinking of going to see my friends at Coventry uni at the weekend'.....um......no you're not my love!!!

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By *uited staffs guyMan
over a year ago

staffordshire

I don’t think a bit of RNA and some protein wrapped in a lipid coat cares whether anyone believes in it or not to be honest

Viruses were on the planet before we were and will probably be there after as well

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry


"I also find it fascinating and kind of scary that there seems to be quite a lot of people on and off here that still think this virus doesn't exist/is made up/man made etc etc. "

And very often the very same people will be susceptible to other conspiracy theories. I agree that it is bizarre beyond belief but here we are.

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire


"Honestly the whole thing reminds me of those post apocalyptic movies when there is a group of survivors and the lead character is trying their best to manage the situation and keep everyone happy but then you get a group of fucktards that start to mutiny because they got rationed 10g less pasta than the day before and you're screaming "Nooooo stop being a fucktard!!!" at the screen but they carry on doing shit things and set off like an avalanche or some shit and people die so they finally realise they were being fucktards but by then it's too late. You know what I mean? "

I was thinking that they picture themselves as playing out Star Wars for real - a small group of freedom fighters led by Luke Icke fighting the Empire led by Darth Johnson...

Cock Wombles is probably best though...

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"My 19 year old said tonight 'I'm thinking of going to see my friends at Coventry uni at the weekend'.....um......no you're not my love!!! "
I've much more understanding when it's young people who are struggling to rationalise everything and be fully aware of consequences but I'm struggling much more when it's people of my own age and seemingly intelligent and rational in every other aspect of their life..

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

And another observation after browsing through this Virus Forum - there is a lot of anger and wondering if lack of sex/pleasure etc. is getting to people! Seems to be a lot of unhealthy tension around!

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire


"It's a psychological disorder.

Look at the wikipedia entry for 'conspiracy theory'.

Just make sure you stay away from others then..and wear tin foil on your head "

No danger of me being converted to that stupidity I can assue you.

I have about this »« much patience for such garbage.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"I've just become aware of this term and I've engaged in some frankly ridiculous conversations with an outright covid denier and it's made me curious as to why in times of uncertainty and/or fear that some people go to denial about the scale of a challenge, particularly one where there isn't an end in sight or an easy way out, and find comfort in denial or scepticism. I find it fascinating and frustrating in equal measure and was wondering if anyone else is getting frustrated with covid scepticism/denial?"

On the contrary, I am more frustrated with the hysteria and paranoia. It is causing way more devastation than the virus, some of it permanent. The response is disproportionate.

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By *umasutraCouple
over a year ago

Guildford


"Over one million deaths worldwide, directly attributed to Covid. Many more ill in varying degrees.

So which bit isn't real, then?"

They died ‘with’ Covid, not ‘of’ Covid.

There is a difference between the two.

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By *uited staffs guyMan
over a year ago

staffordshire


"Over one million deaths worldwide, directly attributed to Covid. Many more ill in varying degrees.

So which bit isn't real, then?

They died ‘with’ Covid, not ‘of’ Covid.

There is a difference between the two."

Yes - part 1 of the death certificate of

Part 2 with

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South


"It's because they are stupid.

"

I kind of agree.

If people have access to, and are presented with, expert attributable knowledge, facts, data and research, but choose to disbelieve it, they're stupid. Very stupid.

It's a mental disorder, I'm sure of it.

E

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

This is a swingers site so it's normal it's full of pricks

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham


"Over one million deaths worldwide, directly attributed to Covid. Many more ill in varying degrees.

So which bit isn't real, then?

They died ‘with’ Covid, not ‘of’ Covid.

There is a difference between the two."

My nan died of cancer, but was actually multiple organ failures.

Like my nan, they are still dead.

With covid/of covid they probably would still be alive if it wasn't for that virus.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've just become aware of this term and I've engaged in some frankly ridiculous conversations with an outright covid denier and it's made me curious as to why in times of uncertainty and/or fear that some people go to denial about the scale of a challenge, particularly one where there isn't an end in sight or an easy way out, and find comfort in denial or scepticism. I find it fascinating and frustrating in equal measure and was wondering if anyone else is getting frustrated with covid scepticism/denial?"
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It works both ways, those in the grip can't think straight either

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Over one million deaths worldwide, directly attributed to Covid. Many more ill in varying degrees.

So which bit isn't real, then?

They died ‘with’ Covid, not ‘of’ Covid.

There is a difference between the two."

Yes there is, 45% of men with prostate cancer die of other causes so officially only 12000 men a year die of prostate cancer but 20000 die with it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I've just become aware of this term and I've engaged in some frankly ridiculous conversations with an outright covid denier and it's made me curious as to why in times of uncertainty and/or fear that some people go to denial about the scale of a challenge, particularly one where there isn't an end in sight or an easy way out, and find comfort in denial or scepticism. I find it fascinating and frustrating in equal measure and was wondering if anyone else is getting frustrated with covid scepticism/denial?.

It works both ways, those in the grip can't think straight either "
By definition I'm probably in the grip but coping well and thinking straight and don't feel I'm being unduly controlled or restricted, no more than I'm normally controlled or restricted by the many other hundreds of laws and rules etc in place

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've just become aware of this term and I've engaged in some frankly ridiculous conversations with an outright covid denier and it's made me curious as to why in times of uncertainty and/or fear that some people go to denial about the scale of a challenge, particularly one where there isn't an end in sight or an easy way out, and find comfort in denial or scepticism. I find it fascinating and frustrating in equal measure and was wondering if anyone else is getting frustrated with covid scepticism/denial?.

It works both ways, those in the grip can't think straight either By definition I'm probably in the grip but coping well and thinking straight and don't feel I'm being unduly controlled or restricted, no more than I'm normally controlled or restricted by the many other hundreds of laws and rules etc in place"

You know your opposites think exactly the same

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If your not balancing up the harm from covid restrictions with the benefit of covid restrictions your not really thinking straight, right at this moment in society were in the grip of virtue signalling, it's really easy to say, lock everybody up, close every business, make people jump thru hoops to do anything, very large fines, there all children and idiots that need controling, don't I look and sound amazing, look how much I care!!, every tin pot crazed dictator who's ever lived was no different.

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By *ncutgemMan
over a year ago

Bath ish

Hiv doesn't exist Until you catch it ive work with condoms if everyone did for a year or three no more sti and we could all stop worrying some will always ru in it for the rest

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By *iMarried2016Man
over a year ago

Near you


"Honestly the whole thing reminds me of those post apocalyptic movies when there is a group of survivors and the lead character is trying their best to manage the situation and keep everyone happy but then you get a group of fucktards that start to mutiny because they got rationed 10g less pasta than the day before and you're screaming "Nooooo stop being a fucktard!!!" at the screen but they carry on doing shit things and set off like an avalanche or some shit and people die so they finally realise they were being fucktards but by then it's too late. You know what I mean? "

Amazing this is my exact summary in your words!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can someone please explain Sweden to me please?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If your not balancing up the harm from covid restrictions with the benefit of covid restrictions your not really thinking straight, right at this moment in society were in the grip of virtue signalling, it's really easy to say, lock everybody up, close every business, make people jump thru hoops to do anything, very large fines, there all children and idiots that need controling, don't I look and sound amazing, look how much I care!!, every tin pot crazed dictator who's ever lived was no different.

"

You really do get people saying because some people opt not to follow the regulations then everyone should be locked down.

It’s bizarre.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"Can someone please explain Sweden to me please?"

Yeah, they did not have a government/scientific elite which employed overt scare tactics, so they had a calm and reasoned response and mostly voluntary restrictions which they followed. Older members of society at large shielded themselves, but they kept their children in school, and businesses open, so while their death rate was fairly high neither their society nor economy was decimated, and so they are further towards herd immunity than other nations, and living life cautiously, but freely.

I somehow doubt they will have as many thousands of unnecessary deaths from the total shutting down of their health system either - untreated cancer and the like.

Has anyone estimated these? I bet they will be 10 times the Covid death toll this winter if we don't develop a sense of perspective sharpish.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Can someone please explain Sweden to me please?"

They won Eurovision in 1974

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By *ark Knight 2017Man
over a year ago

Ware


"I've just become aware of this term and I've engaged in some frankly ridiculous conversations with an outright covid denier and it's made me curious as to why in times of uncertainty and/or fear that some people go to denial about the scale of a challenge, particularly one where there isn't an end in sight or an easy way out, and find comfort in denial or scepticism. I find it fascinating and frustrating in equal measure and was wondering if anyone else is getting frustrated with covid scepticism/denial?

On the contrary, I am more frustrated with the hysteria and paranoia. It is causing way more devastation than the virus, some of it permanent. The response is disproportionate."

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"Over one million deaths worldwide, directly attributed to Covid. Many more ill in varying degrees.

So which bit isn't real, then?

Every Year: 6.7 million die of hunger, 797 million have no access to clean water, 17 million die of heart disease.

So far this year 9.7 million from other communicable diseases (i.e. Viruses)

1.2 million by HIV/AIDS, 6.1 million from cancer, 11.8 million smoking, 1.8 million alcohol. The list goes on but we never get bent out of shape over all of these?"

Are you saying that not enough people are dying? Or are you saying that we should only be concerned about the single biggest cause of death?

I personally think that there is a big point that is being missed in this type of narrative: The World is in lockdown, and STILL over a million people have died.

Saying that it isn't a bad as all these other things is just missing the point.

Also, I personally think that the point people should be making is that 6.7 million people have died of starvation - wh should do something about that, 800 million people have died through lack of access to clean water - We should do something about that, 800 thousand have committed suicide, we should do something about.

Obviously though these red flags that many are waving don't stop these people from going out to the pub or shagging strangers, so they are not important enough to tackle... they just make a convenient EXCUSE for not doing the right thing.

Cal

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By *ack again100Man
over a year ago

Tamworth

I have issues with the scare tactics and the way the data is manipulated......yes there are more positive cases at the minute, but we are testing 10x the people now. Should the positive tests be shown as a % of the overall tests taken. Also the deaths shown are where the deaths occur within 28 days of a positive test.....

If i was diagnosed as having Covid, then decided to parachute out of a plane. If that parachute never opened, i would still count in the Covid death total, which i find bizarre

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By *onguesandpunsMan
over a year ago

East Midlands


"Can someone please explain Sweden to me please?

They won Eurovision in 1974 "

And they gave us Ikea, the original furniture virus...

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By *andL2014Couple
over a year ago

Kettering


"Can someone please explain Sweden to me please?

Yeah, they did not have a government/scientific elite which employed overt scare tactics, so they had a calm and reasoned response and mostly voluntary restrictions which they followed. Older members of society at large shielded themselves, but they kept their children in school, and businesses open, so while their death rate was fairly high neither their society nor economy was decimated, and so they are further towards herd immunity than other nations, and living life cautiously, but freely.

I somehow doubt they will have as many thousands of unnecessary deaths from the total shutting down of their health system either - untreated cancer and the like.

Has anyone estimated these? I bet they will be 10 times the Covid death toll this winter if we don't develop a sense of perspective sharpish."

Plus cases rising again and Anders Tegnell getting worried. Annoys me that some people think Sweden didn't do anything at all in response to the virus.

But we don't mind seeing Covid deniers on here, means we can easily add them to our 'Never Meet these people are Idiots' list.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"Can someone please explain Sweden to me please?"

Sweden didn't mandate a lockdown like many countries and are often held up as an example by countries who have had high infection & death rates as proof that lockdown was not required. In reality, even though Sweden's outcomes were better than the UK's, they were actually MUCH WORSE than it's neighbouring countries.

Contrary to common belief Sweden actually DID lockdown but it wasn't mandatory like most others, it was a voluntary action. It's also not true that their economy was unaffected, with a 25% reduction in spending (only slightly better than it's neighbour Denmark who enforced a lockdown) and a 60% reduction in domestic travel.

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

There is the theory that the measures implemented to combat Covid could possibly result in more deaths than the virus itself.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's because they are stupid.

"

Some people cannot understand the scale and seriousness or cannot cope with that so prefer to put their head in the sand and deny it .

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By *izzabelle and well hungCouple
over a year ago

Edinburgh.

It’s gotten a bit silly now. After the initial lock down they should have put social distancing in public (supermarkets, the street) In place and then left the responsibility up to everyone, apart from if you get it you must isolate. We have huge hospital capacity. What’s the BFD? If I don’t want it I’ll cover up and or stay at home. COVID the uks 24th biggest killer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's because they are stupid.

"

Rude. Damn right rude.

Are you over weight and got health problems by any chance?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Over one million deaths worldwide, directly attributed to Covid. Many more ill in varying degrees.

So which bit isn't real, then?"

Not everyone is saying it doesn’t exist but people are allowed to question its origin etc.

Question the governments that are running the show.

Are you just sat there being drip fed? With no mind of your own?

Don’t be so rude. Calling people stupid from your seat...not on.

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

The human mind is always trying to make sense of the world in which we live. At times our minds interpretation means we see things that are not there. In today’s society small delusions become self reinforcing, strongly held beliefs. Minds seek out and consume material produced by others with similar delusions whilst becoming increasingly blind to anything that contradicts with their views.

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford


"Over one million deaths worldwide, directly attributed to Covid. Many more ill in varying degrees.

So which bit isn't real, then?

Not everyone is saying it doesn’t exist but people are allowed to question its origin etc.

Question the governments that are running the show.

Are you just sat there being drip fed? With no mind of your own?

Don’t be so rude. Calling people stupid from your seat...not on."

Questioning the details is a far healthier mindset than outright denial. .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There is the theory that the measures implemented to combat Covid could possibly result in more deaths than the virus itself.

"

Yep! My 33 year friend hung herself just over a week ago.

Just how it is though, init...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Over one million deaths worldwide, directly attributed to Covid. Many more ill in varying degrees.

So which bit isn't real, then?

Not everyone is saying it doesn’t exist but people are allowed to question its origin etc.

Question the governments that are running the show.

Are you just sat there being drip fed? With no mind of your own?

Don’t be so rude. Calling people stupid from your seat...not on.

Questioning the details is a far healthier mindset than outright denial. . "

Exactly! My fathers exact words too

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol


"It's because they are stupid.

"

Some will be, but it’s more likely covid sceptics are just fearful people, who are more scared than usual.

It’s not a coincidence that most seem to also believe every other obvious delusion doing the rounds, whether it’s chemtrails, 5G, anti-vaccine, Bill Gates / George Soros / whoever has a secret plan - if it’s clearly and observably false, they’re on it.

All we can really do is ignore them - unfortunately in the internet age, there are plenty who seek to profit from the scared and gullible. It’s the modern medicine show, and ’covid sceptics’ are the marks.

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London


"There is the theory that the measures implemented to combat Covid could possibly result in more deaths than the virus itself.

Yep! My 33 year friend hung herself just over a week ago.

Just how it is though, init..."

Very sorry to hear that.

These times take a toll on people's mental health.

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By *ir-spunk-alotMan
over a year ago

Southern England

Its just there way of dealing with it. By pretending its not there. In other words they a crapping it and the only way to deal eith it is to pretend its not happening.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There is the theory that the measures implemented to combat Covid could possibly result in more deaths than the virus itself.

Yep! My 33 year friend hung herself just over a week ago.

Just how it is though, init...

Very sorry to hear that.

These times take a toll on people's mental health."

We’re all feeling it. However our outlook is on the virus and how it’s being dealt with.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've just become aware of this term and I've engaged in some frankly ridiculous conversations with an outright covid denier and it's made me curious as to why in times of uncertainty and/or fear that some people go to denial about the scale of a challenge, particularly one where there isn't an end in sight or an easy way out, and find comfort in denial or scepticism. I find it fascinating and frustrating in equal measure and was wondering if anyone else is getting frustrated with covid scepticism/denial?.

It works both ways, those in the grip can't think straight either "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Over one million deaths worldwide, directly attributed to Covid. Many more ill in varying degrees.

So which bit isn't real, then?

Not everyone is saying it doesn’t exist but people are allowed to question its origin etc.

Question the governments that are running the show.

Are you just sat there being drip fed? With no mind of your own?

Don’t be so rude. Calling people stupid from your seat...not on."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Its just there way of dealing with it. By pretending its not there. In other words they a crapping it and the only way to deal eith it is to pretend its not happening."

Couldn't be more wrong

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By *ir-spunk-alotMan
over a year ago

Southern England


"Its just there way of dealing with it. By pretending its not there. In other words they a crapping it and the only way to deal eith it is to pretend its not happening.

Couldn't be more wrong"

Its ok to be afraid, it hard to admit, but its ok.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Its just there way of dealing with it. By pretending its not there. In other words they a crapping it and the only way to deal eith it is to pretend its not happening."

I think that's all it can be as no one could be that dim to believe it's not massively serious

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Can someone please explain Sweden to me please?"

Lagom !

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By *ir-spunk-alotMan
over a year ago

Southern England


"Its just there way of dealing with it. By pretending its not there. In other words they a crapping it and the only way to deal eith it is to pretend its not happening.

I think that's all it can be as no one could be that dim to believe it's not massively serious "

Dim is being polite.

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands


"Can someone please explain Sweden to me please?"

It's a country in Europe

They also have Covid

Fortunately they have enough respect and common sense to be allowed to go about their business whilst obeying basic rules to limit the spread of the virus

They also have a lot of sick people and many have died

This is opposed to the UK where far too many people don't give a flying fk about rules and Covid. We have a lot more sick and dead people

Got it ?

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By *onguesandpunsMan
over a year ago

East Midlands

If anyone uses the 'it's no worse than a bad flu' line of rationale, show them these verified statistics :

https://mobile.twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1347200811303055364

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So if you question the government or have any doubts etc you're a scared stupid conspiracy theorist.

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By *ressed4FunTV/TS
over a year ago

Maidstone

In times of hardship we all seek an answer, and many of those provided will be good and bad... The world is beautiful varied place, and with differences comes enrichment... But also dangers

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By *eedsmale36Man
over a year ago

Leeds


"Honestly the whole thing reminds me of those post apocalyptic movies when there is a group of survivors and the lead character is trying their best to manage the situation and keep everyone happy but then you get a group of fucktards that start to mutiny because they got rationed 10g less pasta than the day before and you're screaming "Nooooo stop being a fucktard!!!" at the screen but they carry on doing shit things and set off like an avalanche or some shit and people die so they finally realise they were being fucktards but by then it's too late. You know what I mean? "

Was that in Love Actually or The Grinch that stole Christmas ? Asking for a friend

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.


"Can someone please explain Sweden to me please?

It's a country in Europe

They also have Covid

Fortunately they have enough respect and common sense to be allowed to go about their business whilst obeying basic rules to limit the spread of the virus

They also have a lot of sick people and many have died

This is opposed to the UK where far too many people don't give a flying fk about rules and Covid. We have a lot more sick and dead people

Got it ?"

Really! Is this your opinion now?

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.


"So if you question the government or have any doubts etc you're a scared stupid conspiracy theorist. "

No to question the government and having doubts about things is normal.

Coming up with crazy ideas about 5g mast's, and so on isn't.

I keep promising myself not to come on here but I read thing's and think "what the fuck".

So everyone who has come on here and posted various types of theories and opinions about so called"covid lies" some saying they have been researching this and vaccines for years and know for a fact it's all a cover-up.

Then I put this forward now to everyone who thinks this way.

Prove it!

Come on here, and give us all 100% undeniable proof with factual information backed up by many reliable and trustworthy sources not just nonsense statistics.

Prove it!

Please because I am a reasonable person,I'll listen to a reasonable and intelligent conversation.

Prove it !

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By *atnip make me purrWoman
over a year ago

Reading

My experience of these people is that they consider themselves highly intelligent and that is why only they can see the truth. When you engage and ask for proof, it is unbelievably twisted in its logic. Then there are the others who just don't want their freedom curtailed so spout these justifications but don't really believe them

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By *perfectpair5050Couple
over a year ago

marlbourgh

Strange how this has gone quiet now lol

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Some minds want simple answers and holding the view that it's fake doesn't tax their brains as much as establishing an understanding of the whole matter that's got a fair degree of complexity. When they can only hold black or white perspectives, some grey is a big issue for them. And having others to blame for their little minds' unwillingness to cope with complexity means they'll never have to feel discomforting emotions, which having low emotional intelligence makes them averse to. Their inferiority drives behaviour which gives a comfort blanket for the little ones to try to assume some superiority.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Facing reality can be very difficult and denial is often the response...a way of giving meaning to meaninglessness...most people do it in some shape or form in their lives...it becomes a real problem when it endangers lives like it’s doing right now...people are dying in their thousands so please please folks wake up and help each other...unity is strength

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By *ee And MikeCouple
over a year ago

Cannock


"Over one million deaths worldwide, directly attributed to Covid. Many more ill in varying degrees.

So which bit isn't real, then?

Every Year: 6.7 million die of hunger, 797 million have no access to clean water, 17 million die of heart disease.

So far this year 9.7 million from other communicable diseases (i.e. Viruses)

1.2 million by HIV/AIDS, 6.1 million from cancer, 11.8 million smoking, 1.8 million alcohol. The list goes on but we never get bent out of shape over all of these?"

I have as much problem with the virus is the ‘Black Death’ brigade, most of us by now have probably had it without knowing.

The government has never pushed the anti-body test as they are scared of the numbers that might come back and the population saying ‘fuck you’ ive had it I’m moving on with my life.

I believe I had it Christmas 2019 and was really ill, it’s only recently that I had an anti-body test as I started a new job that it confirmed I have anti-bodies do must have had it, but I will still have to have the vaccine, which is what we all need to get out of this mess !

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke


"I've just become aware of this term and I've engaged in some frankly ridiculous conversations with an outright covid denier and it's made me curious as to why in times of uncertainty and/or fear that some people go to denial about the scale of a challenge, particularly one where there isn't an end in sight or an easy way out, and find comfort in denial or scepticism. I find it fascinating and frustrating in equal measure and was wondering if anyone else is getting frustrated with covid scepticism/denial?"

It's because:

It's inconvenient to them.

It obviously doesn't apply to them.

It's a Political Stance.

There is money to be made.

They are just plain old stupid.

Karen is their Sister and she said . . .

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By *aralewisCouple
over a year ago

South Yorkshire

Some people don’t believe it’s as bad as they being told

Coz some of the data doesn’t add up

Also if a group of people took vaccine they still can’t mix so what the big headlines if their not sure if can catch it or spread it also nothing in news about the welsh nurse that had covid when was better had the jab then after caught covid and died

Plus some people don’t believe everything they been told

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By *ew sensationMan
over a year ago

widnes

These idiots are thick , no doubt believe the earth is flat , im two days into covid im telling you now its SHIT

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By *moothCriminal_xMan
over a year ago

Redditch

They are NEARLY onto something. Skepticism is good - its what moves science forwards - now they need to use that mentality to look at the data and collection of that data. Eventually they will hit upon the truth....maybe by accident even!

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Some people don’t believe it’s as bad as they being told

Coz some of the data doesn’t add up

Also if a group of people took vaccine they still can’t mix so what the big headlines if their not sure if can catch it or spread it also nothing in news about the welsh nurse that had covid when was better had the jab then after caught covid and died

Plus some people don’t believe everything they been told"

Here's something to ponder. What if the situation is worse than reported? What if we aren't being told the whole truth because it's worse and would cause panic? What if there were friends who work on govt advisory boards who shared some insight.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.


"Some people don’t believe it’s as bad as they being told

Coz some of the data doesn’t add up

Also if a group of people took vaccine they still can’t mix so what the big headlines if their not sure if can catch it or spread it also nothing in news about the welsh nurse that had covid when was better had the jab then after caught covid and died

Plus some people don’t believe everything they been told

Here's something to ponder. What if the situation is worse than reported? What if we aren't being told the whole truth because it's worse and would cause panic? What if there were friends who work on govt advisory boards who shared some insight. "

Go on?

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By *gent SteveMan
over a year ago

North Wales, Chester,

28 days later

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By *gent SteveMan
over a year ago

North Wales, Chester,


"Over one million deaths worldwide, directly attributed to Covid. Many more ill in varying degrees.

So which bit isn't real, then?

They died ‘with’ Covid, not ‘of’ Covid.

There is a difference between the two."

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford


"Over one million deaths worldwide, directly attributed to Covid. Many more ill in varying degrees.

So which bit isn't real, then?

They died ‘with’ Covid, not ‘of’ Covid.

There is a difference between the two."

Go tell that to those struggling to breath.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Over one million deaths worldwide, directly attributed to Covid. Many more ill in varying degrees.

So which bit isn't real, then?

They died ‘with’ Covid, not ‘of’ Covid.

There is a difference between the two."

Something I've never understood. Would you mind trying to explain why it's so important to you that someones death has been caused exclusively by covid and only covid than death triggered by covid or with covid.? I fail to see why it's relevant.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Something I've never understood. Would you mind trying to explain why it's so important to you that someones death has been caused exclusively by covid and only covid than death triggered by covid or with covid.? I fail to see why it's relevant. "

Died OF covid means that covid was the cause of death (or likely cause of death).

Died WITH covid means they could have died for example in a car crash and just happened to have covid when they died. In other words covid was not the cause of death.

Whether relevant or not depends on what you're measuring.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"Some people don’t believe it’s as bad as they being told

Coz some of the data doesn’t add up

Also if a group of people took vaccine they still can’t mix so what the big headlines if their not sure if can catch it or spread it also nothing in news about the welsh nurse that had covid when was better had the jab then after caught covid and died

Plus some people don’t believe everything they been told

Here's something to ponder. What if the situation is worse than reported? What if we aren't being told the whole truth because it's worse and would cause panic? What if there were friends who work on govt advisory boards who shared some insight. "

It may not be the whole reason it's not all revealed. Calculations this week showed that actual infection numbers in many areas are 4 or 5 times higher than have been revealed via test numbers.

That many low paid can't afford to miss work and wages, thete is a financial reason that some may not test too. And the asymptomatic have not been tested, thus ignoring a huge proportion of infection numbers

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Some people don’t believe it’s as bad as they being told

Coz some of the data doesn’t add up

Also if a group of people took vaccine they still can’t mix so what the big headlines if their not sure if can catch it or spread it also nothing in news about the welsh nurse that had covid when was better had the jab then after caught covid and died

Plus some people don’t believe everything they been told

Here's something to ponder. What if the situation is worse than reported? What if we aren't being told the whole truth because it's worse and would cause panic? What if there were friends who work on govt advisory boards who shared some insight.

It may not be the whole reason it's not all revealed. Calculations this week showed that actual infection numbers in many areas are 4 or 5 times higher than have been revealed via test numbers.

That many low paid can't afford to miss work and wages, thete is a financial reason that some may not test too. And the asymptomatic have not been tested, thus ignoring a huge proportion of infection numbers "

Yep so hears another question that I thought I knew the answer to.... But I believe the science had changed recently. Asymptomatic infections don't spread to others. The source I read was the bmj from a few weeks ago. Now until that revelation I'd always assume asymptomatic were spreaders as well... But the paper in the bmj appears to say they aren't. Any experts on here that can clarify from science rather than Facebook much appreciated.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some people don’t believe it’s as bad as they being told

Coz some of the data doesn’t add up

Also if a group of people took vaccine they still can’t mix so what the big headlines if their not sure if can catch it or spread it also nothing in news about the welsh nurse that had covid when was better had the jab then after caught covid and died

Plus some people don’t believe everything they been told

Here's something to ponder. What if the situation is worse than reported? What if we aren't being told the whole truth because it's worse and would cause panic? What if there were friends who work on govt advisory boards who shared some insight.

It may not be the whole reason it's not all revealed. Calculations this week showed that actual infection numbers in many areas are 4 or 5 times higher than have been revealed via test numbers.

That many low paid can't afford to miss work and wages, thete is a financial reason that some may not test too. And the asymptomatic have not been tested, thus ignoring a huge proportion of infection numbers

Yep so hears another question that I thought I knew the answer to.... But I believe the science had changed recently. Asymptomatic infections don't spread to others. The source I read was the bmj from a few weeks ago. Now until that revelation I'd always assume asymptomatic were spreaders as well... But the paper in the bmj appears to say they aren't. Any experts on here that can clarify from science rather than Facebook much appreciated. "

Is this because the variant they have is not infectious or is it because the host has already developed advanced antibodies to protect itself?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some people don’t believe it’s as bad as they being told

Coz some of the data doesn’t add up

Also if a group of people took vaccine they still can’t mix so what the big headlines if their not sure if can catch it or spread it also nothing in news about the welsh nurse that had covid when was better had the jab then after caught covid and died

Plus some people don’t believe everything they been told

Here's something to ponder. What if the situation is worse than reported? What if we aren't being told the whole truth because it's worse and would cause panic? What if there were friends who work on govt advisory boards who shared some insight.

It may not be the whole reason it's not all revealed. Calculations this week showed that actual infection numbers in many areas are 4 or 5 times higher than have been revealed via test numbers.

That many low paid can't afford to miss work and wages, thete is a financial reason that some may not test too. And the asymptomatic have not been tested, thus ignoring a huge proportion of infection numbers

Yep so hears another question that I thought I knew the answer to.... But I believe the science had changed recently. Asymptomatic infections don't spread to others. The source I read was the bmj from a few weeks ago. Now until that revelation I'd always assume asymptomatic were spreaders as well... But the paper in the bmj appears to say they aren't. Any experts on here that can clarify from science rather than Facebook much appreciated.

Is this because the variant they have is not infectious or is it because the host has already developed advanced antibodies to protect itself?"

Or is this deduction because asymptomatic people don't cough and sneeze and therefore don't spread it as easily?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whilst in the early days Sweden was seen as the perfect model, statistically more recently it hasn’t worked there either.

As of yesterday Sweden had a death rate of 954 per million of population. By comparison UK is 1222, Spain 1127, France 1053, Italy 1321. By contrast Germany is 517. So having a death rate of approximately 20% less than the UK is hardly a success. Germany by comparison has had very strict measures in place throughout.

Sweden does have a population of only 10M so any deaths will inflate the death rate quickly but Portugal is also 10M and has a death rate of 794 so you cannot ignore the statistics just because it’s a smallish population.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Some people don’t believe it’s as bad as they being told

Coz some of the data doesn’t add up

Also if a group of people took vaccine they still can’t mix so what the big headlines if their not sure if can catch it or spread it also nothing in news about the welsh nurse that had covid when was better had the jab then after caught covid and died

Plus some people don’t believe everything they been told

Here's something to ponder. What if the situation is worse than reported? What if we aren't being told the whole truth because it's worse and would cause panic? What if there were friends who work on govt advisory boards who shared some insight.

It may not be the whole reason it's not all revealed. Calculations this week showed that actual infection numbers in many areas are 4 or 5 times higher than have been revealed via test numbers.

That many low paid can't afford to miss work and wages, thete is a financial reason that some may not test too. And the asymptomatic have not been tested, thus ignoring a huge proportion of infection numbers

Yep so hears another question that I thought I knew the answer to.... But I believe the science had changed recently. Asymptomatic infections don't spread to others. The source I read was the bmj from a few weeks ago. Now until that revelation I'd always assume asymptomatic were spreaders as well... But the paper in the bmj appears to say they aren't. Any experts on here that can clarify from science rather than Facebook much appreciated.

Is this because the variant they have is not infectious or is it because the host has already developed advanced antibodies to protect itself?

Or is this deduction because asymptomatic people don't cough and sneeze and therefore don't spread it as easily?

"

I dont know... I'll try and attach the link to the science for you to read. It seemed to look at families where one was infected by asymptomatic and the fact that Co habitants did not test positive.

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4851

It's only one paper but I juts wondered as it's from a reputable source if it is just an outlier piece of research or if it has merit.

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By *hoco DMan
over a year ago

Clapham


"Over one million deaths worldwide, directly attributed to Covid. Many more ill in varying degrees.

So which bit isn't real, then?

Every Year: 6.7 million die of hunger, 797 million have no access to clean water, 17 million die of heart disease.

So far this year 9.7 million from other communicable diseases (i.e. Viruses)

1.2 million by HIV/AIDS, 6.1 million from cancer, 11.8 million smoking, 1.8 million alcohol. The list goes on but we never get bent out of shape over all of these?

All of those preventable and treatable.

Covid is a new disease that is/was not understood."

so why have they not been prevented then? know one cares because the tv is not ramming down their neck everyday and it's not on their door step and dose not effect them directly, and in fact because we reap the benefits from the exploitation of those who suffer, we take the "see and blind, hear and def" three monkeys attitude. shits landed on the door step now and it's real and that's why people are writing posts like this due to fear

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