FabSwingers.com forum: Number of deaths still low

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Whitty and Vallance say there is a two-to-three week lag between rising numbers of infections and rising numbers of deaths.

Numbers of infections have been rising now since the beginning of September

They are approaching the number last seem in April when we had 10000 infections in one day with 1000 deaths

This week we have seen infections rise to more than 6000 in a day. But deaths are still very low at around 25-30 on average

So what is happening here ?

How do they explain that ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Covid is 24th in the league table of deaths,this has to stop and open everything up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Covid is 24th in the league table of deaths,this has to stop and open everything up"

It's 24th because we haven't opened up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Suicide rate is far more than covid deaths

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"Whitty and Vallance say there is a two-to-three week lag between rising numbers of infections and rising numbers of deaths.

Numbers of infections have been rising now since the beginning of September

They are approaching the number last seem in April when we had 10000 infections in one day with 1000 deaths

This week we have seen infections rise to more than 6000 in a day. But deaths are still very low at around 25-30 on average

So what is happening here ?

How do they explain that ?"

Better treatments from the experience health professionals have gained, if deaths remain low and hospital beds arent full then rules will be relaxed again

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Suicide rate is far more than covid deaths"

So how does that compare with the UK infection rate if we remove all restrictions? I'm sure watching more of your family die will dramatically improve suicide rates.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

"Covid is 24th in the league table of deaths,this has to stop and open everything up"

So would you open up everything.

And do you mean everything.

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

"Whitty and Vallance say there is a two-to-three week lag between rising numbers of infections and rising numbers of deaths.

Numbers of infections have been rising now since the beginning of September

They are approaching the number last seem in April when we had 10000 infections in one day with 1000 deaths

This week we have seen infections rise to more than 6000 in a day. But deaths are still very low at around 25-30 on average

So what is happening here ?

How do they explain that ?"

They are rising, maybe not fast enough for some but much too fast for others.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Suicide rate is far more than covid deaths"

And where did you get that from ? So since March your saying more people have died from suicide than from Covid , can we have facts

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights

"Whitty and Vallance say there is a two-to-three week lag between rising numbers of infections and rising numbers of deaths.

Numbers of infections have been rising now since the beginning of September

They are approaching the number last seem in April when we had 10000 infections in one day with 1000 deaths

This week we have seen infections rise to more than 6000 in a day. But deaths are still very low at around 25-30 on average

So what is happening here ?

How do they explain that ?

Better treatments from the experience health professionals have gained, if deaths remain low and hospital beds arent full then rules will be relaxed again "

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By *awk90Man
over a year ago

Amsterdam

Better treatment, but also testing numbers were low in the beginning, so we actually don't know how massive the first peak was!

That being said, I am quite worried... Deaths are on the rise as well, and cases are rising exponentially

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Suicide rate is far more than covid deaths"

Urm no.

There have been nowhere near 42,000 suicides this year.

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By *he Ring WraithMan
over a year ago

Bradford

It does not matter what the numbers are; or what the truth is, we are bound by the dictatorship that is our Government; no parliamentary approval of new laws, no debate just imposition by Boris and his inner circle of cohorts.

We can do nothing, so live / die with it, if you protest or demonstrate you will be fined / arrested.

So be good people and get the people tracking App and be tracked like good people (sorry numbers).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whitty and Vallance say there is a two-to-three week lag between rising numbers of infections and rising numbers of deaths.

Numbers of infections have been rising now since the beginning of September

They are approaching the number last seem in April when we had 10000 infections in one day with 1000 deaths

This week we have seen infections rise to more than 6000 in a day. But deaths are still very low at around 25-30 on average

So what is happening here ?

How do they explain that ?"

In April less people were tested and therefore greatly underestimated the number of people who actually had it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It does not matter what the numbers are; or what the truth is, we are bound by the dictatorship that is our Government; no parliamentary approval of new laws, no debate just imposition by Boris and his inner circle of cohorts.

We can do nothing, so live / die with it, if you protest or demonstrate you will be fined / arrested.

So be good people and get the people tracking App and be tracked like good people (sorry numbers). "

If we are numbers...who is no 1?

I never did get to the bottom of that one...knew who no6 was though

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

We can do nothing, so live / die with it, if you protest or demonstrate you will be fined / arrested.

So be good people and get the people tracking App and be tracked like good people (sorry numbers).

If we are numbers...who is no 1?

I never did get to the bottom of that one...knew who no6 was though

I'd would guess the queen but if your a believer I guess your God

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So that means fewer people are falling ill with it presumably.

Yet they say the increase in cases isn't due to the increased number of tests.

They tell us what they want us to hear.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Suicide rate is far more than covid deaths"

I think not . ..

5000 suicides

40 000 covid deaths

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"So that means fewer people are falling ill with it presumably.

Yet they say the increase in cases isn't due to the increased number of tests.

They tell us what they want us to hear."

Don't listen. Just get valid data from credible sources, alongside evidence from reputable peer reviewed professional literature.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

"Suicide rate is far more than covid deaths

I think not . ..

5000 suicides

40 000 covid deaths "

And only 2000 ish in RTA's

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So that means fewer people are falling ill with it presumably.

Yet they say the increase in cases isn't due to the increased number of tests.

They tell us what they want us to hear.

Don't listen. Just get valid data from credible sources, alongside evidence from reputable peer reviewed professional literature. "

I am listening.

To Vallance and Whitty.

They tell us the increase is not due to increased testing

So why are the deaths not shooting up ?

If it were like the first wave we should be up to 600 a day now.

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By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland

"Covid is 24th in the league table of deaths,this has to stop and open everything up"

List the 23 or a source please.

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By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland

"Suicide rate is far more than covid deaths"

Source please...

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

"So that means fewer people are falling ill with it presumably.

Yet they say the increase in cases isn't due to the increased number of tests.

They tell us what they want us to hear.

Don't listen. Just get valid data from credible sources, alongside evidence from reputable peer reviewed professional literature.

I am listening.

To Vallance and Whitty.

They tell us the increase is not due to increased testing

So why are the deaths not shooting up ?

If it were like the first wave we should be up to 600 a day now."

Can I ask you the same funliverpool so what is it you want

What would be your new normal

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By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland

"So that means fewer people are falling ill with it presumably.

Yet they say the increase in cases isn't due to the increased number of tests.

They tell us what they want us to hear.

Don't listen. Just get valid data from credible sources, alongside evidence from reputable peer reviewed professional literature.

I am listening.

To Vallance and Whitty.

They tell us the increase is not due to increased testing

So why are the deaths not shooting up ?

If it were like the first wave we should be up to 600 a day now."

It's not like the first wave because it hasn't ripped through nursing homes.

It's not like the first wave because way more testing.

It's not like the first wave because positive tests are 5-10% compare to a figure nearer 50 earlier this year.

It's not like the first wave because doctors have learnt how to treat better and more suitable medicines have been identified.

All this above we are made aware of daily. Why can't you join the dots?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Suicide rate is far more than covid deaths"

How do we stop suicides?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So that means fewer people are falling ill with it presumably.

Yet they say the increase in cases isn't due to the increased number of tests.

They tell us what they want us to hear.

Don't listen. Just get valid data from credible sources, alongside evidence from reputable peer reviewed professional literature.

I am listening.

To Vallance and Whitty.

They tell us the increase is not due to increased testing

So why are the deaths not shooting up ?

If it were like the first wave we should be up to 600 a day now.

It's not like the first wave because it hasn't ripped through nursing homes.

It's not like the first wave because way more testing.

It's not like the first wave because positive tests are 5-10% compare to a figure nearer 50 earlier this year.

It's not like the first wave because doctors have learnt how to treat better and more suitable medicines have been identified.

All this above we are made aware of daily. Why can't you join the dots?

I can and I do

That's why I am querying the so-called advice of these experts.

You don't need to explain it to me

The idea was to make people think it through

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Suicide rate is far more than covid deaths

Source please..."

There are no sources. We do not publish suicide figures with any regularity. As of the 1st of September the ONS only just published the figures from 2019 so to claim suicide is on the increase is conjecture.

However, there is a huge drain on mental health. I lost my job in March and have struggled to pick up work. Money and bills are tough to see how I manage. I have been through very tough times a few years back and have coping mechanisms I can call on learned to help with it. Many people are feeling this for the first time and in much more difficult circumstances. It will leave its mark.

But to put that in context, in 2019 - 5691 people’s deaths were registered as suicide - the highest number recorded for 20 years and equatable to 17/100000.

Covid by comparison- at the height of the first wave we had alarming death rates attributed to covid. They were astounding. And to date covid has attributed to roughly to 70/100000 deaths in the UK

That said just so you know I am in neither camp, the new rates of infection vs deaths is vastly different to the initial outbreak. Because we are better prepared, can diagnose it faster and use some anti viral and suppression medication therefore limiting the ferocity of it and the need for ICU Treatment.

April 17 - 22,351 total with 8,269 listed as covid - 36% deaths

September 11 - 9,811 - 99 attributed to covid 1%

Let’s hope this trend remains like this. But people. Please only post credible backed up statements rather than adding to either fear or conspiracy.

As you were

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Suicide rate is far more than covid deaths

Source please...

But to put that in context, in 2019 - 5691 people’s deaths were registered as suicide - the highest number recorded for 20 years and equatable to 17/100000.

Covid by comparison- at the height of the first wave we had alarming death rates attributed to covid. They were astounding. And to date covid has attributed to roughly to 70/100000 deaths in the UK

April 17 - 22,351 total with 8,269 listed as covid - 36% deaths

September 11 - 9,811 - 99 attributed to covid 1%

Let’s hope this trend remains like this. But people. Please only post credible backed up statements rather than adding to either fear or conspiracy.

As you were

Gosh, so much sense in one post. Probably too much for many to absorb

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

But if you shot you self would it not be death buy gun shot.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"But if you shot you self would it not be death buy gun shot.

No, because I'd use a bow and arrow

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

"Suicide rate is far more than covid deaths

Source please...

But to put that in context, in 2019 - 5691 people’s deaths were registered as suicide - the highest number recorded for 20 years and equatable to 17/100000.

Covid by comparison- at the height of the first wave we had alarming death rates attributed to covid. They were astounding. And to date covid has attributed to roughly to 70/100000 deaths in the UK

April 17 - 22,351 total with 8,269 listed as covid - 36% deaths

September 11 - 9,811 - 99 attributed to covid 1%

Let’s hope this trend remains like this. But people. Please only post credible backed up statements rather than adding to either fear or conspiracy.

As you were

Thanks you for that well put

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

"But if you shot you self would it not be death buy gun shot.

No, because I'd use a bow and arrow

WOW long arms are you Mr Tickle

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

"Suicide rate is far more than covid deaths

And where did you get that from ? So since March your saying more people have died from suicide than from Covid , can we have facts "

It's a mute point anyway either way. We've been socially distancing, wearing masks, working from home etc so the Covid death rate is hopefully skewed lower because of the restrictions.

So if suicide is higher, we still shouldn't open up as deaths will probably rise and if it's lower that's still not a reason to open up.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"But if you shot you self would it not be death buy gun shot.

No, because I'd use a bow and arrow

WOW long arms are you Mr Tickle

Nah, you can use your foot or set it up to be triggered by a string pull. Point being shot doesn't necessarily mean by a gun.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

"But if you shot you self would it not be death buy gun shot.

No, because I'd use a bow and arrow

WOW long arms are you Mr Tickle

Nah, you can use your foot or set it up to be triggered by a string pull. Point being shot doesn't necessarily mean by a gun. "

Dope

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

"But if you shot you self would it not be death buy gun shot.

No, because I'd use a bow and arrow

WOW long arms are you Mr Tickle

Nah, you can use your foot or set it up to be triggered by a string pull. Point being shot doesn't necessarily mean by a gun. "

I was looking at you profile pick at the time I put Mr Tickle

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"But if you shot you self would it not be death buy gun shot.

No, because I'd use a bow and arrow

WOW long arms are you Mr Tickle

Nah, you can use your foot or set it up to be triggered by a string pull. Point being shot doesn't necessarily mean by a gun.

I was looking at you profile pick at the time I put Mr Tickle

Actually S might secretly BE Mr Tickle. He has long arms (and other bodily features)

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By *az080378Woman
over a year ago

Cromer

"Whitty and Vallance say there is a two-to-three week lag between rising numbers of infections and rising numbers of deaths.

Numbers of infections have been rising now since the beginning of September

They are approaching the number last seem in April when we had 10000 infections in one day with 1000 deaths

This week we have seen infections rise to more than 6000 in a day. But deaths are still very low at around 25-30 on average

So what is happening here ?

How do they explain that ?"

They have also changed how they are counting deaths from covid,it makes a difference..

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Whitty and Vallance say there is a two-to-three week lag between rising numbers of infections and rising numbers of deaths.

Numbers of infections have been rising now since the beginning of September

They are approaching the number last seem in April when we had 10000 infections in one day with 1000 deaths

This week we have seen infections rise to more than 6000 in a day. But deaths are still very low at around 25-30 on average

So what is happening here ?

How do they explain that ?"
They no how to treat people better.

The problem is not so much deaths but the after effects of the virus

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

We can do nothing, so live / die with it, if you protest or demonstrate you will be fined / arrested.

So be good people and get the people tracking App and be tracked like good people (sorry numbers). "
If people where good there wuld not be the problem s we have now.

This government is to soft with people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Suicide rate is far more than covid deaths

How do we stop suicides?"

Stop you from writing anything

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whitty and Vallance say there is a two-to-three week lag between rising numbers of infections and rising numbers of deaths.

Numbers of infections have been rising now since the beginning of September

They are approaching the number last seem in April when we had 10000 infections in one day with 1000 deaths

This week we have seen infections rise to more than 6000 in a day. But deaths are still very low at around 25-30 on average

So what is happening here ?

How do they explain that ?"

It’s very easy...

It can take up to 12 days for people’s sysmtoms to come out

It can take 12-14 days after becoming ill where people realise they are in serious trouble and enter hospital

Whilst we’ve had people pass away within a week generally people can die much further down the line. We’ve had patients ventilated for 2 months plus, people pass away after 12 weeks etc.

The numbers are there, they are now in hospitals and increasing... in my small ward in Manchester our 3 admissions a week is about 8 a day now. Give it 2-3 weeks and the daily deaths will be above 100, we are already at that level and increasing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Suicide rate is far more than covid deaths"

The current estimate is that suicides for the year may reach 6,000 tops...

Interestingly they where at their lowest levels since 2001 in the first quarter...

In short, your wrong by 36,000 and counting...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Suicide rate is far more than covid deaths

Source please...

But to put that in context, in 2019 - 5691 people’s deaths were registered as suicide - the highest number recorded for 20 years and equatable to 17/100000.

Covid by comparison- at the height of the first wave we had alarming death rates attributed to covid. They were astounding. And to date covid has attributed to roughly to 70/100000 deaths in the UK

April 17 - 22,351 total with 8,269 listed as covid - 36% deaths

September 11 - 9,811 - 99 attributed to covid 1%

Let’s hope this trend remains like this. But people. Please only post credible backed up statements rather than adding to either fear or conspiracy.

As you were

Covid was registered as a mitigating factor in every death that occurred where covid was diagnosed, suicide is very different, drug overdoses aren't suicide, drinking yourself to death isn't suicide, cars rammed into trees aren't suicide, slashing your wrists in a bath isn't suicide, unless you leave a note saying your killing yourself it ain't suicide, death by misadventure, death by overdose, death by accident...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whitty and Vallance say there is a two-to-three week lag between rising numbers of infections and rising numbers of deaths.

Numbers of infections have been rising now since the beginning of September

They are approaching the number last seem in April when we had 10000 infections in one day with 1000 deaths

This week we have seen infections rise to more than 6000 in a day. But deaths are still very low at around 25-30 on average

So what is happening here ?

How do they explain that ?

It’s very easy...

It can take up to 12 days for people’s sysmtoms to come out

It can take 12-14 days after becoming ill where people realise they are in serious trouble and enter hospital

Whilst we’ve had people pass away within a week generally people can die much further down the line. We’ve had patients ventilated for 2 months plus, people pass away after 12 weeks etc.

Even 100 a day is small compared to what it was in April when we had 1000 on one day

13 deaths posted today

It's going to have to shoot up an awful lot and very quickly then

We shall see.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whitty and Vallance say there is a two-to-three week lag between rising numbers of infections and rising numbers of deaths.

Numbers of infections have been rising now since the beginning of September

They are approaching the number last seem in April when we had 10000 infections in one day with 1000 deaths

This week we have seen infections rise to more than 6000 in a day. But deaths are still very low at around 25-30 on average

So what is happening here ?

How do they explain that ?

It’s very easy...

It can take up to 12 days for people’s sysmtoms to come out

It can take 12-14 days after becoming ill where people realise they are in serious trouble and enter hospital

Whilst we’ve had people pass away within a week generally people can die much further down the line. We’ve had patients ventilated for 2 months plus, people pass away after 12 weeks etc.

Even 100 a day is small compared to what it was in April when we had 1000 on one day

13 deaths posted today

It's going to have to shoot up an awful lot and very quickly then

We shall see."

I agree, if deaths and hospitalisations don't follow cases by mid October then we can stop panicking over case increases.

At the end of the day all were actually concerned about it overwhelming the NHS?

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

You have to remember 1/4 of the UK hase hard restrictions and the rest are not living as they where befor CV19

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

"Whitty and Vallance say there is a two-to-three week lag between rising numbers of infections and rising numbers of deaths.

Numbers of infections have been rising now since the beginning of September

They are approaching the number last seem in April when we had 10000 infections in one day with 1000 deaths

This week we have seen infections rise to more than 6000 in a day. But deaths are still very low at around 25-30 on average

So what is happening here ?

How do they explain that ?

It’s very easy...

It can take up to 12 days for people’s sysmtoms to come out

It can take 12-14 days after becoming ill where people realise they are in serious trouble and enter hospital

Whilst we’ve had people pass away within a week generally people can die much further down the line. We’ve had patients ventilated for 2 months plus, people pass away after 12 weeks etc.

Even 100 a day is small compared to what it was in April when we had 1000 on one day

13 deaths posted today

It's going to have to shoot up an awful lot and very quickly then

We shall see.

I agree, if deaths and hospitalisations don't follow cases by mid October then we can stop panicking over case increases.

At the end of the day all were actually concerned about it overwhelming the NHS?

Pretty much agree with this. We have to lockdown early because there is a 5 to 6 lag on peak deaths, but if infections don't rocket and deaths don't rise then we could open up end of october.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Suicide rate is far more than covid deaths

How do we stop suicides?

Stop you from writing anything

Epic bantz.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

If anyone wants to look at the data for their region, you can filter the stats here by area of the UK, but not down to city or town level, only region (I have it filtered for NW England here):

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/healthcare?areaType=nhsregion&areaName=North%20West

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire

"Suicide rate is far more than covid deaths

The current estimate is that suicides for the year may reach 6,000 tops...

Interestingly they where at their lowest levels since 2001 in the first quarter...

In short, your wrong by 36,000 and counting..."

The other thing wrong with the suicide argument is that there's no 'realtime' record of suicides, something that the CEO of The Samaritans stated recently.

That's mostly because the coroner has to record a death as suicide after an autopsy.

People have always committed suicide all year round (with some seasonal peaks) for various reasons and that, unfortunately, will continue - not every suicide can be attributed to Covid.

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By *exycouplesswingCouple
over a year ago

Tunbridge Wells

"Suicide rate is far more than covid deaths"

Did you know you can’t catch suicide from another person?

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

"Suicide rate is far more than covid deaths

Did you know you can’t catch suicide from another person?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Even 100 a day is small compared to what it was in April when we had 1000 on one day

13 deaths posted today

It's going to have to shoot up an awful lot and very quickly then

We shall see."

That’s the point... you miss the maths and timeline.

13 deaths a day relates to 3-4 weeks ago, a time where we had around 400-500 new infections a day, we where admitting about 3 people a week in my trust.

Fast forward to now... we are confirming 4K plus a day, 100’s if admissions across the U.K. trusts... we already know that death toll is coming.

We also know the infections and admissions are climbing... we are also pretty sure the new restrictions in place are not checking that growth either, the conditions to deliver your 1000 deaths a day are only a few weeks away. Come the end of November you may just be seeing them again or worst.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whitty and Vallance say there is a two-to-three week lag between rising numbers of infections and rising numbers of deaths.

Numbers of infections have been rising now since the beginning of September

They are approaching the number last seem in April when we had 10000 infections in one day with 1000 deaths

This week we have seen infections rise to more than 6000 in a day. But deaths are still very low at around 25-30 on average

So what is happening here ?

How do they explain that ?"

It's been suggested that it's done it's worst as far as deaths are concerned for now.

There are those who are still vulnerable with other underlying health issues that managed to avoid it but these numbers are much smaller now.

Maybe next year or the year after these numbers may again increase but no one can say as we don't know if or how natural immunity will work with it, or how effective a vaccine will be when they get one safe enough.

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over a year ago

" Even 100 a day is small compared to what it was in April when we had 1000 on one day

13 deaths posted today

It's going to have to shoot up an awful lot and very quickly then

We shall see.

That’s the point... you miss the maths and timeline.

13 deaths a day relates to 3-4 weeks ago, a time where we had around 400-500 new infections a day, we where admitting about 3 people a week in my trust.

Fast forward to now... we are confirming 4K plus a day, 100’s if admissions across the U.K. trusts... we already know that death toll is coming.

Not true,

The 13 deaths reported yesterday were just that.

They died in the last few days, not 4 weeks ago Why would deaths be reported 4 weeks late ?

If you look back at the figures on Worldometer you will see that the highest recoded number of daily deaths was on April the 11th when they peaked at just around 1100

And this was precisely the same day when the number of cases peaked at around 7500

By your reasoning if deaths are recorded 4 weeks late then they should have peaked on March 11th and the number of virus case would have peaked back sometime in mid February.

But they didn't

Look up the statistics

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

" Even 100 a day is small compared to what it was in April when we had 1000 on one day

13 deaths posted today

It's going to have to shoot up an awful lot and very quickly then

We shall see.

That’s the point... you miss the maths and timeline.

13 deaths a day relates to 3-4 weeks ago, a time where we had around 400-500 new infections a day, we where admitting about 3 people a week in my trust.

Fast forward to now... we are confirming 4K plus a day, 100’s if admissions across the U.K. trusts... we already know that death toll is coming.

Many some need to see it to be live it.

Some I'll include you are working so hard but others can't be assed.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

" Even 100 a day is small compared to what it was in April when we had 1000 on one day

13 deaths posted today

It's going to have to shoot up an awful lot and very quickly then

We shall see.

That’s the point... you miss the maths and timeline.

13 deaths a day relates to 3-4 weeks ago, a time where we had around 400-500 new infections a day, we where admitting about 3 people a week in my trust.

Fast forward to now... we are confirming 4K plus a day, 100’s if admissions across the U.K. trusts... we already know that death toll is coming.

Not true,

The 13 deaths reported yesterday were just that.

They died in the last few days, not 4 weeks ago Why would deaths be reported 4 weeks late ?

If you look back at the figures on Worldometer you will see that the highest recoded number of daily deaths was on April the 11th when they peaked at just around 1100

And this was precisely the same day when the number of cases peaked at around 7500

By your reasoning if deaths are recorded 4 weeks late then they should have peaked on March 11th and the number of virus case would have peaked back sometime in mid February.

But they didn't

Look up the statistics"

No they mean you catch CV19 to day

In a week you get tested and bingo a positive.

Start the clock after a week your taken I to hospital 2 weeks later you die

So 3 to 4 weeks from getting it you die.

So 4 weeks agooo 500 a day where getting it 13 die or more it's the weekend so if 1000 got it to day In about 4 weeks 26 will die or more and the more that get if the more that die

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

"Whitty and Vallance say there is a two-to-three week lag between rising numbers of infections and rising numbers of deaths.

Numbers of infections have been rising now since the beginning of September

They are approaching the number last seem in April when we had 10000 infections in one day with 1000 deaths

This week we have seen infections rise to more than 6000 in a day. But deaths are still very low at around 25-30 on average

So what is happening here ?

How do they explain that ?"
are you kind of sighing for a higher death count

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By *ee And MikeCouple
over a year ago

Cannock

I think the point that everyone seems to miss is that we are a long, long way off a mass vaccination programme and through lots of different reasons the NHS is woefully inadequate for us to try and run with the ‘herd immunity theory’.

Hancock is way out of his depth because he has neither the intelligence or the ability to try and see a path through this.

Add all those things together and the country will be continued to be in lockdown in some form for possibly years to come.

We have a government that doesn’t know how to govern so uses ‘following the science’ as an excuse, we all know Whitey has made comments on numerous occasions that we should be in a lockdown until a vaccine is found.

I think when this is all over and we look at deaths from other sources and the mass unemployment we will wonder if trying to eradicate Covid19 was actually worth it !

I will just add this, we had a summer of people flocking to seaside resorts and we had so few deaths on the back of that, the government and media are desperate to report how high the cases are at present, yet deaths armrest still in low double figures. Either more people have had this virus and haven’t died or it’s mutating and becoming weaker.

What excuse will the government make in a couple of weeks if deaths aren’t up to 300 - 400 a day, will be very interesting !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not true,

The 13 deaths reported yesterday were just that.

They died in the last few days, not 4 weeks ago Why would deaths be reported 4 weeks late ?"

Lordy... someone is being very dense here.

Covid does not work like this: man gets infected, coughs, falls over dead...

Those 13 deaths relate to today, yes... but they come from an infection time 3-4 weeks plus ago. That’s the time period they likely get infected before falling ill, becoming critical, enter hospital then lose their life.

Why do people struggle with this concept that the infection rates do not relate to deaths recorded on the same day???

13 deaths relates to a time period where confirmed infections actually was around 1/10th of todays figures... therefore don’t be surprised when we all looking at the 100’s in a few weeks time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are those who are still vulnerable with other underlying health issues that managed to avoid it but these numbers are much smaller now."

Yes at the last count it’s only circa 15,000,000 with underlying health conditions in the U.K. the great majority also over 55...

Even if we plump for the higher 55k punt at those deaths involving covid... that’s not really dented the figures too much has it?

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

The thing is do I have an underlying heath problem?

Ask you self that.

Do you feel lucky.

The truth is most of us don't know we hope we don't but do we know? I don't want to find out the hard way.....

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By *ark Knight 2017Man
over a year ago

Ware

"Suicide rate is far more than covid deaths

Source please...

But to put that in context, in 2019 - 5691 people’s deaths were registered as suicide - the highest number recorded for 20 years and equatable to 17/100000.

Covid by comparison- at the height of the first wave we had alarming death rates attributed to covid. They were astounding. And to date covid has attributed to roughly to 70/100000 deaths in the UK

April 17 - 22,351 total with 8,269 listed as covid - 36% deaths

September 11 - 9,811 - 99 attributed to covid 1%

Let’s hope this trend remains like this. But people. Please only post credible backed up statements rather than adding to either fear or conspiracy.

As you were

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The cases chart is updated each day and now shows apparent comparable levels of cases to March. It ignores the amount of testing and estimated incidence of the disease. If you rescale what we see now, to back then, what we see now is just the start of the surge.

Effectively we are on the early slope of an almost identical shaped surge, which is well on track to hit that 50k figure of +ve tests/day the medical profession has warned about

Which likely equates to 100k new cases per day. My point is they choose to focus on this chart which is pretty misleading and underplays the future threat.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A point I raised earlier but seems to be left out if most projections is that the numbers of those susceptible with underlying issues are proportionally much less now. This should account for far fewer deaths with similar numbers contracting it.

Does that make sense? But in a couple years the death rate could rise significantly depending on immunity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We can do nothing, so live / die with it, if you protest or demonstrate you will be fined / arrested.

So be good people and get the people tracking App and be tracked like good people (sorry numbers).

If we are numbers...who is no 1?

I never did get to the bottom of that one...knew who no6 was though

I'd would guess the queen but if your a believer I guess your God

Has to be the Dalai Lama surely, don't they believe in reincarnation?

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

"Suicide rate is far more than covid deaths

And where did you get that from ? So since March your saying more people have died from suicide than from Covid , can we have facts "
more people have died from suicide in the last 3 weeks than covid

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We can do nothing, so live / die with it, if you protest or demonstrate you will be fined / arrested.

So be good people and get the people tracking App and be tracked like good people (sorry numbers).

If we are numbers...who is no 1?

I never did get to the bottom of that one...knew who no6 was though

I AM NOT A NUMBER. I AM A FREE MAN

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We can do nothing, so live / die with it, if you protest or demonstrate you will be fined / arrested.

So be good people and get the people tracking App and be tracked like good people (sorry numbers).

If we are numbers...who is no 1?

I never did get to the bottom of that one...knew who no6 was though

I AM NOT A NUMBER. I AM A FREE MAN

Only monday to Friday I'm a free man...on a weekend I'm a free...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Suicide rate is far more than covid deaths"

there has been more suicide deaths than covid deaths since March?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Suicide rate is far more than covid deaths

And where did you get that from ? So since March your saying more people have died from suicide than from Covid , can we have facts more people have died from suicide in the last 3 weeks than covid "

Really? Do you have figures to substiate that?

Someone raised this on another post saying 125 people had died that week from suicide and 27 from covid.

Last year on average 109 people a week took their own lives so that is a 16 person increase per week using those stats supplied. Or 2.29 per day vs 20 to 30 people dying of Covid.

Even if NO people took their own lives last year and EVERY suicide was attributable to covid (17) it still wouldn't match the covid fatality rate.

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By *illy_the_tvTV/TS
over a year ago

hoorn, Netherlands

Do people not understand how pandemics work? The death rate will not massively rise as the first wave basically killed off the most at risk so you will now continually see the number of cases rise but the death rate will only slightly rise as its more healthy people become infected who have a much lower mortality chance with the virus.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So what is happening here ?

How do they explain that ?"

Honestly can't believe that this has to be said, but it's because vulnerable people like our friend who has underlying health problems and our parents are isolating from everyone else as they don't want to die! Combine that with hospitals being much emptier, care homes now having more PPE available along with better procedures this all helps to prevent the most vulnerable dying and it's a really good reason why we don't want to open everything back up now as if you ignore all measures in place then the death rate will rapidly rise.

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By *rsbrooksandjohnCouple
over a year ago

Swansea

Drove past the drive in testing centre in cardiff by the bluebirds stadium.

One carthat appeared to be having it's windscreen washed and about 20-30 staff sunbathing this was about 130pm today. So walhy cant people get local tests ???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whitty and Vallance say there is a two-to-three week lag between rising numbers of infections and rising numbers of deaths.

Numbers of infections have been rising now since the beginning of September

They are approaching the number last seem in April when we had 10000 infections in one day with 1000 deaths

This week we have seen infections rise to more than 6000 in a day. But deaths are still very low at around 25-30 on average

So what is happening here ?

How do they explain that ?"

People are or have become immune as t lymphocytes have now built up. If you lock down you lock the virus away. Open up it comes back out. If we had let it run its course most would be immune. It's taken longer because it's a new virus so taken us longer to develop immunity but the death rate is still statistical almost identical to flu.

Lock down just delays it doesn't stop.

Plus the testing they're using is not accurate so figures are inaccurate.

Just stay open,let it run and get it over with.

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

"Whitty and Vallance say there is a two-to-three week lag between rising numbers of infections and rising numbers of deaths.

Numbers of infections have been rising now since the beginning of September

They are approaching the number last seem in April when we had 10000 infections in one day with 1000 deaths

This week we have seen infections rise to more than 6000 in a day. But deaths are still very low at around 25-30 on average

So what is happening here ?

How do they explain that ?

Lock down just delays it doesn't stop.

Plus the testing they're using is not accurate so figures are inaccurate.

Just stay open,let it run and get it over with. "

Have you told the experts, I'm sure they would take your word for it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whitty and Vallance say there is a two-to-three week lag between rising numbers of infections and rising numbers of deaths.

Numbers of infections have been rising now since the beginning of September

They are approaching the number last seem in April when we had 10000 infections in one day with 1000 deaths

This week we have seen infections rise to more than 6000 in a day. But deaths are still very low at around 25-30 on average

So what is happening here ?

How do they explain that ?

Lock down just delays it doesn't stop.

Plus the testing they're using is not accurate so figures are inaccurate.

Just stay open,let it run and get it over with.

Have you told the experts, I'm sure they would take your word for it

No I got it from an expert writing in the spectator. Next pithy remark please.

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

I read that in France it’s not as potent at only 10% of the original strength. Hope that’s right and is what’s happening here?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whitty and Vallance say there is a two-to-three week lag between rising numbers of infections and rising numbers of deaths.

Numbers of infections have been rising now since the beginning of September

They are approaching the number last seem in April when we had 10000 infections in one day with 1000 deaths

This week we have seen infections rise to more than 6000 in a day. But deaths are still very low at around 25-30 on average

So what is happening here ?

How do they explain that ?

Lock down just delays it doesn't stop.

Plus the testing they're using is not accurate so figures are inaccurate.

Just stay open,let it run and get it over with. "

Lockdown buys time to find better treatments, to potentially find a vaccine and prevents the health service being overwhelmed. Clearly you don't understand how to treat or manage a new and infectious disease, and thankfully for the tens of thousands you would gladly kill, you aren't in a position to influence policy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I read that in France it’s not as potent at only 10% of the original strength. Hope that’s right and is what’s happening here?"

There is no substantial evidence it is weakening to that extent. They are now back to cancelling scheduled treatments in France to help cope with the upswing in hospital admissions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whitty and Vallance say there is a two-to-three week lag between rising numbers of infections and rising numbers of deaths.

Numbers of infections have been rising now since the beginning of September

They are approaching the number last seem in April when we had 10000 infections in one day with 1000 deaths

This week we have seen infections rise to more than 6000 in a day. But deaths are still very low at around 25-30 on average

So what is happening here ?

How do they explain that ?

Lock down just delays it doesn't stop.

Plus the testing they're using is not accurate so figures are inaccurate.

Just stay open,let it run and get it over with.

Yep it's always the low risk group who would put others up to sacrifice...just so they can get a shag

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By *exxxesCouple
over a year ago

Newbury / London

Not so low today, 71 just announced. Highest for quite some time indeed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its just not the deaths its the after effects of the virus plenty people reporting lung and various health problems and its people of all ages some of these only had a mild virus

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By *he-Hosiery-GentMan
over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy

"Covid is 24th in the league table of deaths,this has to stop and open everything up

It's 24th because we haven't opened up.

No. We opened up properly at the beginning of July.

Remember, lockdowns don't work.

As you can see.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Covid is 24th in the league table of deaths,this has to stop and open everything up

It's 24th because we haven't opened up.

No. We opened up properly at the beginning of July.

Remember, lockdowns don't work.

As you can see. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whitty and Vallance say there is a two-to-three week lag between rising numbers of infections and rising numbers of deaths.

Numbers of infections have been rising now since the beginning of September

They are approaching the number last seem in April when we had 10000 infections in one day with 1000 deaths

This week we have seen infections rise to more than 6000 in a day. But deaths are still very low at around 25-30 on average

So what is happening here ?

How do they explain that ?

Lock down just delays it doesn't stop.

Plus the testing they're using is not accurate so figures are inaccurate.

Just stay open,let it run and get it over with.

Yep it's always the low risk group who would put others up to sacrifice...just so they can get a shag

What's your propose then? Gimme an answer. Lockdown till it "goes away".

Come on answers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whitty and Vallance say there is a two-to-three week lag between rising numbers of infections and rising numbers of deaths.

Numbers of infections have been rising now since the beginning of September

They are approaching the number last seem in April when we had 10000 infections in one day with 1000 deaths

This week we have seen infections rise to more than 6000 in a day. But deaths are still very low at around 25-30 on average

So what is happening here ?

How do they explain that ?

Lock down just delays it doesn't stop.

Plus the testing they're using is not accurate so figures are inaccurate.

Just stay open,let it run and get it over with.

Yep it's always the low risk group who would put others up to sacrifice...just so they can get a shag

What is it with you characters wanting to protect the health services.? I thought they were supporting to protect and help us!? And why so keen to ruin the private sector and why so keen on a vaccine? It could take 5 to 10 years. Sweden is over it. Why not learn?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would Captain Scott have said to Roald Amundsen. "It's OK old boy, you get to the South Pole first as I understand it gets a bit chilly at night".

Or Sir Edmund Hilary say to Sherpa Tensing "oooer the airs a bit thin up here, we'd better get off the mountain as we might die".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whitty and Vallance say there is a two-to-three week lag between rising numbers of infections and rising numbers of deaths.

Numbers of infections have been rising now since the beginning of September

They are approaching the number last seem in April when we had 10000 infections in one day with 1000 deaths

This week we have seen infections rise to more than 6000 in a day. But deaths are still very low at around 25-30 on average

So what is happening here ?

How do they explain that ?

Lock down just delays it doesn't stop.

Plus the testing they're using is not accurate so figures are inaccurate.

Just stay open,let it run and get it over with.

Yep it's always the low risk group who would put others up to sacrifice...just so they can get a shag

Swedish death rates are the highest is Europe and Sweden is a very different culture to the UK’s

Today I found out that a 20 year old apprentice engineer in one of the plants I visit has been put in an induced coma so he can be respirated. He has no health issue and is fit, active and healthy. Don’t take the risk

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whitty and Vallance say there is a two-to-three week lag between rising numbers of infections and rising numbers of deaths.

Numbers of infections have been rising now since the beginning of September

They are approaching the number last seem in April when we had 10000 infections in one day with 1000 deaths

This week we have seen infections rise to more than 6000 in a day. But deaths are still very low at around 25-30 on average

So what is happening here ?

How do they explain that ?

Lock down just delays it doesn't stop.

Plus the testing they're using is not accurate so figures are inaccurate.

Just stay open,let it run and get it over with.

Yep it's always the low risk group who would put others up to sacrifice...just so they can get a shag

What's your propose then? Gimme an answer. Lockdown till it "goes away".

Come on answers."

If left to me I'd shut the pubs and get the kids primed to be taught online as it seems the universities will be doing.

Which will get us over winter and hope like hell we get the silver bullet from somewhere in the world by spring.

Now I know you wont agree with me.

But your sacrificial plan is not the answer...

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Would Captain Scott have said to Roald Amundsen. "It's OK old boy, you get to the South Pole first as I understand it gets a bit chilly at night".

Or Sir Edmund Hilary say to Sherpa Tensing "oooer the airs a bit thin up here, we'd better get off the mountain as we might die". "

Sorry. What's your point?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whitty and Vallance say there is a two-to-three week lag between rising numbers of infections and rising numbers of deaths.

Numbers of infections have been rising now since the beginning of September

They are approaching the number last seem in April when we had 10000 infections in one day with 1000 deaths

This week we have seen infections rise to more than 6000 in a day. But deaths are still very low at around 25-30 on average

So what is happening here ?

How do they explain that ?

Lock down just delays it doesn't stop.

Plus the testing they're using is not accurate so figures are inaccurate.

Just stay open,let it run and get it over with.

Yep it's always the low risk group who would put others up to sacrifice...just so they can get a shag

What's your propose then? Gimme an answer. Lockdown till it "goes away".

Come on answers.

If left to me I'd shut the pubs and get the kids primed to be taught online as it seems the universities will be doing.

Which will get us over winter and hope like hell we get the silver bullet from somewhere in the world by spring.

Now I know you wont agree with me.

But your sacrificial plan is not the answer... "

How many are you sacrificing when it comes to cancelled surgery,referrals. Suicide up,jobs lost never to return.

Suppose your hope of a silver bullet doesn't materialize?

Again look at sweden . They have about 5 people per day dying from covid out of a 10 million population. Less than cancer,heart disease.Medics who have worked with covid patients for months not infected. Why because most are resistance. It's useless locking down it will just come out again. You have to let it run . Deaths now in the uk are very low. We're gettingbghete but will get there if we just let it run it's course.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whitty and Vallance say there is a two-to-three week lag between rising numbers of infections and rising numbers of deaths.

Numbers of infections have been rising now since the beginning of September

They are approaching the number last seem in April when we had 10000 infections in one day with 1000 deaths

This week we have seen infections rise to more than 6000 in a day. But deaths are still very low at around 25-30 on average

So what is happening here ?

How do they explain that ?

Lock down just delays it doesn't stop.

Plus the testing they're using is not accurate so figures are inaccurate.

Just stay open,let it run and get it over with.

Yep it's always the low risk group who would put others up to sacrifice...just so they can get a shag

What's your propose then? Gimme an answer. Lockdown till it "goes away".

Come on answers.

If left to me I'd shut the pubs and get the kids primed to be taught online as it seems the universities will be doing.

Which will get us over winter and hope like hell we get the silver bullet from somewhere in the world by spring.

Now I know you wont agree with me.

But your sacrificial plan is not the answer...

How many are you sacrificing when it comes to cancelled surgery,referrals. Suicide up,jobs lost never to return.

Suppose your hope of a silver bullet doesn't materialize?

I said you wouldn't agree...I also said what I would do.

We will leave it there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Even 100 a day is small compared to what it was in April when we had 1000 on one day

13 deaths posted today

It's going to have to shoot up an awful lot and very quickly then

We shall see.

That’s the point... you miss the maths and timeline.

13 deaths a day relates to 3-4 weeks ago, a time where we had around 400-500 new infections a day, we where admitting about 3 people a week in my trust.

Fast forward to now... we are confirming 4K plus a day, 100’s if admissions across the U.K. trusts... we already know that death toll is coming.

Not true,

The 13 deaths reported yesterday were just that.

They died in the last few days, not 4 weeks ago Why would deaths be reported 4 weeks late ?

If you look back at the figures on Worldometer you will see that the highest recoded number of daily deaths was on April the 11th when they peaked at just around 1100

And this was precisely the same day when the number of cases peaked at around 7500

By your reasoning if deaths are recorded 4 weeks late then they should have peaked on March 11th and the number of virus case would have peaked back sometime in mid February.

But they didn't

Look up the statistics"

Up from 13 to 71 today... you getting the concept yet fella?

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By *woodcplCouple
over a year ago

Borehamwood

"Whitty and Vallance say there is a two-to-three week lag between rising numbers of infections and rising numbers of deaths.

Numbers of infections have been rising now since the beginning of September

They are approaching the number last seem in April when we had 10000 infections in one day with 1000 deaths

This week we have seen infections rise to more than 6000 in a day. But deaths are still very low at around 25-30 on average

So what is happening here ?

How do they explain that ?

Lock down just delays it doesn't stop.

Plus the testing they're using is not accurate so figures are inaccurate.

Just stay open,let it run and get it over with.

Yep it's always the low risk group who would put others up to sacrifice...just so they can get a shag

Sweden is far from ‘over’ it. In fact there was a big rise last week in infections leading to their chief medical officer Tegnell saying that there is a very worrying upwards trend and now the government is considering increasing restrictions, particularly in Stockholm. Why not learn?

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over a year ago

"Whitty and Vallance say there is a two-to-three week lag between rising numbers of infections and rising numbers of deaths.

Numbers of infections have been rising now since the beginning of September

They are approaching the number last seem in April when we had 10000 infections in one day with 1000 deaths

This week we have seen infections rise to more than 6000 in a day. But deaths are still very low at around 25-30 on average

So what is happening here ?

How do they explain that ?"

We were talking about this earlier today how the infection rates seem to be higher and higher every day yet deaths seem to have dropped through the floor.

Could it be that the vast vast amounts of deaths attributed to Covid over the first few months weren't actually anything to do with COVID-19

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over a year ago

There has been no deaths from/of covid in Sweden for the last 3 days, iv just checked

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over a year ago

"Whitty and Vallance say there is a two-to-three week lag between rising numbers of infections and rising numbers of deaths.

Numbers of infections have been rising now since the beginning of September

They are approaching the number last seem in April when we had 10000 infections in one day with 1000 deaths

This week we have seen infections rise to more than 6000 in a day. But deaths are still very low at around 25-30 on average

So what is happening here ?

How do they explain that ?

We were talking about this earlier today how the infection rates seem to be higher and higher every day yet deaths seem to have dropped through the floor.

Could it be that the vast vast amounts of deaths attributed to Covid over the first few months weren't actually anything to do with COVID-19 "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whitty and Vallance say there is a two-to-three week lag between rising numbers of infections and rising numbers of deaths.

Numbers of infections have been rising now since the beginning of September

They are approaching the number last seem in April when we had 10000 infections in one day with 1000 deaths

This week we have seen infections rise to more than 6000 in a day. But deaths are still very low at around 25-30 on average

So what is happening here ?

How do they explain that ?

We were talking about this earlier today how the infection rates seem to be higher and higher every day yet deaths seem to have dropped through the floor.

Could it be that the vast vast amounts of deaths attributed to Covid over the first few months weren't actually anything to do with COVID-19

71"

Good film

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

"Whitty and Vallance say there is a two-to-three week lag between rising numbers of infections and rising numbers of deaths.

Numbers of infections have been rising now since the beginning of September

They are approaching the number last seem in April when we had 10000 infections in one day with 1000 deaths

This week we have seen infections rise to more than 6000 in a day. But deaths are still very low at around 25-30 on average

So what is happening here ?

How do they explain that ?

We were talking about this earlier today how the infection rates seem to be higher and higher every day yet deaths seem to have dropped through the floor.

Could it be that the vast vast amounts of deaths attributed to Covid over the first few months weren't actually anything to do with COVID-19 "

You really don't get it, do you ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There has been no deaths from/of covid in Sweden for the last 3 days, iv just checked"

The number of new infections has been rising over the last 3 weeks and the experts know that where a rise in cases goes a rise in deaths follows.

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over a year ago

"There has been no deaths from/of covid in Sweden for the last 3 days, iv just checked

The number of new infections has been rising over the last 3 weeks and the experts know that where a rise in cases goes a rise in deaths follows."

Maybe, maybe not, I hope not

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Long-COVID is now the problem for the Government. Long term care for those with effects such as lung damage, vascular problems, heart, liver and kidney issues. Surviving the virus is not necessarily a good outcome. I’d rather avoid it at all costs and if it means shielding and staying at home more so be it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There has been no deaths from/of covid in Sweden for the last 3 days, iv just checked

The number of new infections has been rising over the last 3 weeks and the experts know that where a rise in cases goes a rise in deaths follows.

Maybe, maybe not, I hope not"

Well I tend to listen to the experts on these matters.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There has been no deaths from/of covid in Sweden for the last 3 days, iv just checked

The number of new infections has been rising over the last 3 weeks and the experts know that where a rise in cases goes a rise in deaths follows.

Maybe, maybe not, I hope not

Well I tend to listen to the experts on these matters."

As do i

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Every Year: 6.7 million die of hunger, 797 million have no access to clean water, 17 million die of heart disease.

So far this year 9.7 million from other communicable diseases (i.e. Viruses)

1.2 million by HIV/AIDS, 6.1 million from cancer, 11.8 million smoking, 1.8 million alcohol. The list goes on but we never get bent out of shape over all of these?

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By *dwimborneMan
over a year ago

wimborne

The rise you are seeing is a rise in positive test results not infections or cases. The PCR test's CT rate is set at 45 which is far too sensitive and returns a false positive rate of between .8% - 1.4% which means 80% + of the positive test results are false positives.

I'm still waiting for the mad rush of infections and deaths from the mass protests in May/June that didn't happen.

Or the infections and deaths from the packed beaches. That also didn't happen.

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By *he-Hosiery-GentMan
over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy

People are going to die in a pandemic.

We're in one.

You can try putting restrictions and lockdowns in place, but, ultimately this just delays the inevitable. They're only meant to be used as a short-term fix, not long-term.

Nobody's used to this, this is the problem.

We need natural immunity to be achieved through herd immunity.

Government needs to stop playing hide and seek with this virus and people need to face facts. The path we're on isn't going to give us an exit strategy.

Wake up, use common sense & get a grip ffs.

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By *ark Knight 2017Man
over a year ago

Ware

"The rise you are seeing is a rise in positive test results not infections or cases. The PCR test's CT rate is set at 45 which is far too sensitive and returns a false positive rate of between .8% - 1.4% which means 80% + of the positive test results are false positives.

I'm still waiting for the mad rush of infections and deaths from the mass protests in May/June that didn't happen.

Or the infections and deaths from the packed beaches. That also didn't happen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There has been no deaths from/of covid in Sweden for the last 3 days, iv just checked

The number of new infections has been rising over the last 3 weeks and the experts know that where a rise in cases goes a rise in deaths follows.

Maybe, maybe not, I hope not"

There’s zero maybe about it...

At the start of this pandemic for every 5 into icu we lost three, end of story. With all the knowledge gained since we now lose 1 in 3, there’s nothing we can do to save that life.

We are up to around 8 admissions a day currently on my ward, we know 2-3 of them will sadly pass away.

For the record... yesterday’s 13 and today’s 71 seem are doth a bit of a blip, we feel the National daily average should be about 50 deaths a day but we already know that’s going to rise over the next 3 weeks, probably longer in truth.

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over a year ago

I'm still waiting for the mad rush of infections and deaths from the mass protests in May/June that didn't happen.

Or the infections and deaths from the packed beaches. That also didn't happen.

Why don’t you actually read up on the infection models for covid-19... you’d realise the huge difference between inside and outside as an environment and then you’d think about the coming cold months and realise we have been incredibly lucky so far this year at minimising the affects of the virus and just how disastrous the coming period could be.

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By *atherjackhackettMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

Ok I'm really starting to have second thoughts on all this. Not sure how deaths are labelled in UK but here in Ireland it's died WITH covid where as used be FROM covid. Like how many people died DIRECTLY FROM Covid and had absolutely zero other health issues? This is what I want to know.

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By *ovelybumCouple
over a year ago

Tunbridge Wells

"People are going to die in a pandemic.

We're in one.

You can try putting restrictions and lockdowns in place, but, ultimately this just delays the inevitable. They're only meant to be used as a short-term fix, not long-term.

Nobody's used to this, this is the problem.

We need natural immunity to be achieved through herd immunity.

Government needs to stop playing hide and seek with this virus and people need to face facts. The path we're on isn't going to give us an exit strategy.

Wake up, use common sense & get a grip ffs. "

Exactly this

Unfortunately common sense is a very rare commodity this days it seems.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm still waiting for the mad rush of infections and deaths from the mass protests in May/June that didn't happen.

Or the infections and deaths from the packed beaches. That also didn't happen.

Exactly

We got it coming to spring and stifled somewhat with a lock down through spring and into summer...now we've opened up it's on the rise and we have all of autumn and winter to go through..so we need to get a grip on this now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whitty and Vallance say there is a two-to-three week lag between rising numbers of infections and rising numbers of deaths.

Numbers of infections have been rising now since the beginning of September

They are approaching the number last seem in April when we had 10000 infections in one day with 1000 deaths

This week we have seen infections rise to more than 6000 in a day. But deaths are still very low at around 25-30 on average

So what is happening here ?

How do they explain that ?

Lock down just delays it doesn't stop.

Plus the testing they're using is not accurate so figures are inaccurate.

Just stay open,let it run and get it over with.

Yep it's always the low risk group who would put others up to sacrifice...just so they can get a shag

Infection isn't death.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There has been no deaths from/of covid in Sweden for the last 3 days, iv just checked"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok I'm really starting to have second thoughts on all this. Not sure how deaths are labelled in UK but here in Ireland it's died WITH covid where as used be FROM covid. Like how many people died DIRECTLY FROM Covid and had absolutely zero other health issues? This is what I want to know. "

How many people die directly from AIDS?

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By *atherjackhackettMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

How many people die directly from AIDS?"

No idea. Why do you reference AIDS?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People are going to die in a pandemic.

We're in one.

You can try putting restrictions and lockdowns in place, but, ultimately this just delays the inevitable. They're only meant to be used as a short-term fix, not long-term.

Nobody's used to this, this is the problem.

We need natural immunity to be achieved through herd immunity.

Government needs to stop playing hide and seek with this virus and people need to face facts. The path we're on isn't going to give us an exit strategy.

Wake up, use common sense & get a grip ffs. "

Interesting how it's generally people who aren't in the high risk groups that propose this course of action.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How many people die directly from AIDS?

No idea. Why do you reference AIDS?"

AIDS doesn't kill people, they die from something else but that doesn't mean AIDS isn't dangerous. Similarly, people with conditions that are exacerbated by Covid 19 may not die from Covid 19 but they also wouldn't have died without it.

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By *ovelybumCouple
over a year ago

Tunbridge Wells

" Interesting how it's generally people who aren't in the high risk groups that propose this course of action."

Probably this sort of people are gonna get us out of this mess. And how exactly do you know who's in a high risk group or not? Holding a medical report on all fab members perhaps?

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By *dwimborneMan
over a year ago

wimborne

I have actually read up on that thank you, did I mispost? as thought I was on a thread "Number of deaths still low" and was giving my opinion to the OP's questions on why there are a relatively higher number of positive test results but a low number of deaths. As they asked

So what is happening here?

How do they explain that?

I don't think I mentioned the upcoming flu season or the indoor/outdoor transmission rates of the virus of which I'm familiar with, but thanks for your recommendation.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

Uk case numbers have been going down for days, they are not increasing exponentially.

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over a year ago

" Interesting how it's generally people who aren't in the high risk groups that propose this course of action.

Probably this sort of people are gonna get us out of this mess. And how exactly do you know who's in a high risk group or not? Holding a medical report on all fab members perhaps? "

Call it an educated guess, I strongly suspect the people shouting loudest to let the disease rip through the population are not the ones at high risk of dying from it.

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over a year ago

"Uk case numbers have been going down for days, they are not increasing exponentially. "

Yet today it was announced that we have the highest number of new infections since July.

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By *rK MrsJCouple
over a year ago

Kidderminster

People are going on about this being the second wave how can it be a second wave when the first wave did not disappear.

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over a year ago

"I don't think I mentioned the upcoming flu season or the indoor/outdoor transmission rates of the virus of which I'm familiar with, but thanks for your recommendation. "

It’s very simple... the deaths are already in progress. Admission rates are shooting up, given a bit of time a large percentage will die.

The point is you cited “where are all the deaths from raves, beach gatherings etc”... the risk compared to indoor contact is fractional (as you state you already know).

71 people died today... if that was soldiers in Afghanistan etc I’m sure we’d all be saying give them better equipment, get them out or whatever... yet I suppose supporting them wouldn’t mean making any personal sacrifice would it.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"Uk case numbers have been going down for days, they are not increasing exponentially.

Yet today it was announced that we have the highest number of new infections since July."

Not so according to the data.

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By *ovelybumCouple
over a year ago

Tunbridge Wells

" Interesting how it's generally people who aren't in the high risk groups that propose this course of action.

Probably this sort of people are gonna get us out of this mess. And how exactly do you know who's in a high risk group or not? Holding a medical report on all fab members perhaps?

Call it an educated guess, I strongly suspect the people shouting loudest to let the disease rip through the population are not the ones at high risk of dying from it."
Not suggesting we should leave "the disease rip through population", but playing hide and seek with it is not going to help us either.

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over a year ago

" Interesting how it's generally people who aren't in the high risk groups that propose this course of action.

Probably this sort of people are gonna get us out of this mess. And how exactly do you know who's in a high risk group or not? Holding a medical report on all fab members perhaps?

Call it an educated guess, I strongly suspect the people shouting loudest to let the disease rip through the population are not the ones at high risk of dying from it. Not suggesting we should leave "the disease rip through population", but playing hide and seek with it is not going to help us either. "

So what do you suggest?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All bull shit work mate got a positive test but he never had the test he was booked in but when he got there couldn't do it

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over a year ago

"Whitty and Vallance say there is a two-to-three week lag between rising numbers of infections and rising numbers of deaths.

Numbers of infections have been rising now since the beginning of September

They are approaching the number last seem in April when we had 10000 infections in one day with 1000 deaths

This week we have seen infections rise to more than 6000 in a day. But deaths are still very low at around 25-30 on average

So what is happening here ?

How do they explain that ?

We were talking about this earlier today how the infection rates seem to be higher and higher every day yet deaths seem to have dropped through the floor.

Could it be that the vast vast amounts of deaths attributed to Covid over the first few months weren't actually anything to do with COVID-19

You really don't get it, do you ?"

Well I was asking a question but feel free to enlighten me

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By *dwimborneMan
over a year ago

wimborne

"I don't think I mentioned the upcoming flu season or the indoor/outdoor transmission rates of the virus of which I'm familiar with, but thanks for your recommendation.

It’s very simple... the deaths are already in progress. Admission rates are shooting up, given a bit of time a large percentage will die.

The point is you cited “where are all the deaths from raves, beach gatherings etc”... the risk compared to indoor contact is fractional (as you state you already know).

What on earth are you going on about? you're making no sense and that's an awful analogy and again, I don't think I mentioned making or not making personal sacrifices, better or worse equipment.

In fact I know I have not mentioned equipment, are you mixing up your replies?

I didn't mention today's deaths either. But as you brought it up 71 deaths listed in in UK today. Wales 3, 44 in English hospitals, majority over 80, 2 under 60 rest 60-80.

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over a year ago

"There has been no deaths from/of covid in Sweden for the last 3 days, iv just checked

The number of new infections has been rising over the last 3 weeks and the experts know that where a rise in cases goes a rise in deaths follows.

Maybe, maybe not, I hope not

There’s zero maybe about it...

At the start of this pandemic for every 5 into icu we lost three, end of story. With all the knowledge gained since we now lose 1 in 3, there’s nothing we can do to save that life.

We are up to around 8 admissions a day currently on my ward, we know 2-3 of them will sadly pass away.

That's weird, my mate is a nurse at Blackburn Royal and he said its not any busier, no beds filling up, that's in ICU as well

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over a year ago

"I don't think I mentioned the upcoming flu season or the indoor/outdoor transmission rates of the virus of which I'm familiar with, but thanks for your recommendation.

It’s very simple... the deaths are already in progress. Admission rates are shooting up, given a bit of time a large percentage will die.

The point is you cited “where are all the deaths from raves, beach gatherings etc”... the risk compared to indoor contact is fractional (as you state you already know).

What on earth are you going on about? you're making no sense and that's an awful analogy and again, I don't think I mentioned making or not making personal sacrifices, better or worse equipment.

In fact I know I have not mentioned equipment, are you mixing up your replies?

I didn't mention today's deaths either. But as you brought it up 71 deaths listed in in UK today. Wales 3, 44 in English hospitals, majority over 80, 2 under 60 rest 60-80."

And your reference to age... Is that suggesting that over 60’s aren’t really an issue?

Your initial post seemed to be stating you where still waiting for death tolls to turn up... you seem to be questioning the need to take action to avoid the spread of this virus.

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

"Uk case numbers have been going down for days, they are not increasing exponentially. "

Sunday/Monday figures are often lower than the trend... trend line still shows doubling every 10 days

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Take time to read it rather than hide behind your sofa

https://www.aier.org/article/open-letter-from-medical-doctors-and-health-professionals-to-all-belgian-authorities-and-all-belgian-media/

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By *D835Man
over a year ago

London

"Whitty and Vallance say there is a two-to-three week lag between rising numbers of infections and rising numbers of deaths.

Numbers of infections have been rising now since the beginning of September

They are approaching the number last seem in April when we had 10000 infections in one day with 1000 deaths

This week we have seen infections rise to more than 6000 in a day. But deaths are still very low at around 25-30 on average

So what is happening here ?

How do they explain that ?"

Easy to explain.

The rise in virus infections this time round is happening more among the under 40s who were and are still less likely to be hospitalised or die from it.

Part of the reason for the current restrictions - is to stop it spreading over to the more vulnerable who could potentially die from it.

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

"Whitty and Vallance say there is a two-to-three week lag between rising numbers of infections and rising numbers of deaths.

Numbers of infections have been rising now since the beginning of September

They are approaching the number last seem in April when we had 10000 infections in one day with 1000 deaths

This week we have seen infections rise to more than 6000 in a day. But deaths are still very low at around 25-30 on average

So what is happening here ?

How do they explain that ?

We were talking about this earlier today how the infection rates seem to be higher and higher every day yet deaths seem to have dropped through the floor.

Could it be that the vast vast amounts of deaths attributed to Covid over the first few months weren't actually anything to do with COVID-19

You really don't get it, do you ?

Well I was asking a question but feel free to enlighten me

Those most at risk are still either shielding or being very careful about catching the virus but it's only a matter of time if those least at risk are stupid and spread the virus.

People working in care homes have children.

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By *dwimborneMan
over a year ago

wimborne

"I don't think I mentioned the upcoming flu season or the indoor/outdoor transmission rates of the virus of which I'm familiar with, but thanks for your recommendation.

It’s very simple... the deaths are already in progress. Admission rates are shooting up, given a bit of time a large percentage will die.

The point is you cited “where are all the deaths from raves, beach gatherings etc”... the risk compared to indoor contact is fractional (as you state you already know).

Where are these admission rates shooting up? as they are not in England, Here are the actual total covid admissions with daily increase in brackets.

Sep 29: 1881 (-2)

28: 1883(162)

27: 1721(99)

26: 1622(7)

25: 1615(134)

24: 1481(100)

23: 1381(46)

22: 1335(74)

21: 1261(120)

20: 1141(93)

19: 1048(60)

18: 988(35)

17: 953(59)

16: 894(28)

15: 866(84)

14: 782(121)

13: 661(28)

I don't see much "shooting up" going on for a country with 65 million.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Take time to read it rather than hide behind your sofa

https://www.aier.org/article/open-letter-from-medical-doctors-and-health-professionals-to-all-belgian-authorities-and-all-belgian-media/"

I’m not hiding behind my sofa, I’m going to work every day and taking appropriate precautions such as hand washing, social distancing, and wearing a mask.

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

I don't think it's comparable anymore because they don't report in the same way they did back then. It was all deaths then, now they only count it if it's with 28 days of a positive test. I think.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That's weird, my mate is a nurse at Blackburn Royal and he said its not any busier, no beds filling up, that's in ICU as well "

Well today’s 174 estimated admissions across the NW, 73 of them COVID-19 confirmed already... I guess like you say, weird that your mate in one of the NW black spots isn’t seeing any of them.

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over a year ago

"I don't think it's comparable anymore because they don't report in the same way they did back then. It was all deaths then, now they only count it if it's with 28 days of a positive test. I think. "

Exactly and to be honest a large percentage of the ventilated can last 28 days plus.

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By *dwimborneMan
over a year ago

wimborne

"I don't think I mentioned the upcoming flu season or the indoor/outdoor transmission rates of the virus of which I'm familiar with, but thanks for your recommendation.

It’s very simple... the deaths are already in progress. Admission rates are shooting up, given a bit of time a large percentage will die.

The point is you cited “where are all the deaths from raves, beach gatherings etc”... the risk compared to indoor contact is fractional (as you state you already know).

What on earth are you going on about? you're making no sense and that's an awful analogy and again, I don't think I mentioned making or not making personal sacrifices, better or worse equipment.

In fact I know I have not mentioned equipment, are you mixing up your replies?

I didn't mention today's deaths either. But as you brought it up 71 deaths listed in in UK today. Wales 3, 44 in English hospitals, majority over 80, 2 under 60 rest 60-80.

And your reference to age... Is that suggesting that over 60’s aren’t really an issue?

Your initial post seemed to be stating you where still waiting for death tolls to turn up... you seem to be questioning the need to take action to avoid the spread of this virus."

Why on earth are you assuming all this rubbish.

I won't reply to you anymore as you are clearly a troll as you make absolutely no sense.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I won't reply to you anymore as you are clearly a troll as you make absolutely no sense. "

Fabulous, everyone can read your post and take their own view x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do people not understand how pandemics work? The death rate will not massively rise as the first wave basically killed off the most at risk so you will now continually see the number of cases rise but the death rate will only slightly rise as its more healthy people become infected who have a much lower mortality chance with the virus. "

Been saying that a while now.

The others thing about this virus is that when it hit China last year it was already in a very advanced developed stage. Many virologists have suggested because of this it was probably around in China for 6 months to a year before.

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By *D835Man
over a year ago

London

"I don't think it's comparable anymore because they don't report in the same way they did back then. It was all deaths then, now they only count it if it's with 28 days of a positive test. I think. "

That’s correct. Those who test positive for covid, but die of covid after 28 days, are not being counted among the covid deaths anymore.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"I don't think I mentioned the upcoming flu season or the indoor/outdoor transmission rates of the virus of which I'm familiar with, but thanks for your recommendation.

It’s very simple... the deaths are already in progress. Admission rates are shooting up, given a bit of time a large percentage will die.

The point is you cited “where are all the deaths from raves, beach gatherings etc”... the risk compared to indoor contact is fractional (as you state you already know).

Where are these admission rates shooting up? as they are not in England, Here are the actual total covid admissions with daily increase in brackets.

Sep 29: 1881 (-2)

28: 1883(162)

27: 1721(99)

26: 1622(7)

25: 1615(134)

24: 1481(100)

23: 1381(46)

22: 1335(74)

21: 1261(120)

20: 1141(93)

19: 1048(60)

18: 988(35)

17: 953(59)

16: 894(28)

15: 866(84)

14: 782(121)

13: 661(28)

I don't see much "shooting up" going on for a country with 65 million."

We cannot sustain the destruction of our economy for such small numbers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We cannot sustain the destruction of our economy for such small numbers. "

Which of your family members are you prepared to sacrifice on the altar of capitalism?

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By *hyKentGuyMan
over a year ago

sheerness

Today they say a milestone of 1 million deaths worldwide from Covid 19 was reached today. Over a million people die in road traffic accidents worldwide but we still don’t think twice to driving or getting in to a car every day!

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By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland

"Today they say a milestone of 1 million deaths worldwide from Covid 19 was reached today. Over a million people die in road traffic accidents worldwide but we still don’t think twice to driving or getting in to a car every day!"

There wouldn't be that many road traffic accidents if the roads were shut.

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By *hyKentGuyMan
over a year ago

sheerness

There wouldn't be that many road traffic accidents if the roads were shut."

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By *hyKentGuyMan
over a year ago

sheerness

Exactly!

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By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland

"I don't think I mentioned the upcoming flu season or the indoor/outdoor transmission rates of the virus of which I'm familiar with, but thanks for your recommendation.

It’s very simple... the deaths are already in progress. Admission rates are shooting up, given a bit of time a large percentage will die.

The point is you cited “where are all the deaths from raves, beach gatherings etc”... the risk compared to indoor contact is fractional (as you state you already know).

Where are these admission rates shooting up? as they are not in England, Here are the actual total covid admissions with daily increase in brackets.

Sep 29: 1881 (-2)

28: 1883(162)

27: 1721(99)

26: 1622(7)

25: 1615(134)

24: 1481(100)

23: 1381(46)

22: 1335(74)

21: 1261(120)

20: 1141(93)

19: 1048(60)

18: 988(35)

17: 953(59)

16: 894(28)

15: 866(84)

14: 782(121)

13: 661(28)

I don't see much "shooting up" going on for a country with 65 million.

We cannot sustain the destruction of our economy for such small numbers. "

Small sample but looks like doubling every 10 days.

To simplify the maths, let's call it 2,000 at the moment.

There are about 90 days until christmas. That's 9x 10 day periods.

10 days - 2k

20 - 4k

30 - 8k

40 - 16k

50 - 32k

60 - 64k

70 - 128k

80 - 256k

90 - 512k covid admissions. Merry Christmas...

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By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland

"Exactly! "

SO there would be many times more deaths from covid if there was no lockdown.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"We cannot sustain the destruction of our economy for such small numbers.

Which of your family members are you prepared to sacrifice on the altar of capitalism?"

Nothing to do with capitalism - even more will die if we impoverish our nation, how many thousands more are you demanding are sacrificed?

We can save the few, or the many, not both.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We cannot sustain the destruction of our economy for such small numbers.

Which of your family members are you prepared to sacrifice on the altar of capitalism?

Nothing to do with capitalism - even more will die if we impoverish our nation, how many thousands more are you demanding are sacrificed?

We can save the few, or the many, not both."

Thats a rather poor choice of words considering the "few" you talk about have already sacrificed so much so you can have the freedom you Currently have.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't know why we are chatting over this government are lead by medical people nothing is going to change that for general public views mass unemployment or not when its alll over the main protity is getting young people into work I feel unemployed middle aged are going to find this more then challenging

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't think I mentioned the upcoming flu season or the indoor/outdoor transmission rates of the virus of which I'm familiar with, but thanks for your recommendation.

It’s very simple... the deaths are already in progress. Admission rates are shooting up, given a bit of time a large percentage will die.

The point is you cited “where are all the deaths from raves, beach gatherings etc”... the risk compared to indoor contact is fractional (as you state you already know).

Where are these admission rates shooting up? as they are not in England, Here are the actual total covid admissions with daily increase in brackets.

Sep 29: 1881 (-2)

28: 1883(162)

27: 1721(99)

26: 1622(7)

25: 1615(134)

24: 1481(100)

23: 1381(46)

22: 1335(74)

21: 1261(120)

20: 1141(93)

19: 1048(60)

18: 988(35)

17: 953(59)

16: 894(28)

15: 866(84)

14: 782(121)

13: 661(28)

I don't see much "shooting up" going on for a country with 65 million."

You’ve just proven your own point... in two weeks admissions have near enough tripled. So, another two weeks... 6000, another two weeks later 1800...

And to point out the obvious, the above are the ICU admission/capacity figures I believe. That discounts a huge number outside of HDU/ICU with the potential for their scenario to degenerate. Many will spend a week or two on a lesser care level before becoming critical.

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By *D835Man
over a year ago

London

"Whitty and Vallance say there is a two-to-three week lag between rising numbers of infections and rising numbers of deaths.

Numbers of infections have been rising now since the beginning of September

They are approaching the number last seem in April when we had 10000 infections in one day with 1000 deaths

This week we have seen infections rise to more than 6000 in a day. But deaths are still very low at around 25-30 on average

So what is happening here ?

How do they explain that ?

Lock down just delays it doesn't stop.

Plus the testing they're using is not accurate so figures are inaccurate.

Just stay open,let it run and get it over with.

Yep it's always the low risk group who would put others up to sacrifice...just so they can get a shag

“..... Sweden is over it. Why not learn?...”

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Sweden over what ??

Currently Sweden is experiencing higher new daily infections and higher deaths than it’s neighbours Norway & Finland and all the other Nordic countries.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Would Captain Scott have said to Roald Amundsen. "It's OK old boy, you get to the South Pole first as I understand it gets a bit chilly at night".

Or Sir Edmund Hilary say to Sherpa Tensing "oooer the airs a bit thin up here, we'd better get off the mountain as we might die".

Sorry. What's your point?"

Many of us Human beings actually quite happy to take a bit of a risk to achieve something. Pretty obvious I'd have thought. You seem to think otherwise and I respect that so trying to do it your way but my natural instinct is to do stuff that possibly you would not consider as too risky so eventually some of us think "oh fuck it, I've had enough of this, let's live a bit and do something I've never done before."

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By *he-Hosiery-GentMan
over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy

But, this is common sense though. Something that's in short supply on these forums.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Exactly!

SO there would be many times more deaths from covid if there was no lockdown."

Well, many more would catch it but the death rate would be proportionally less. Most do not die from it. Most of those who have died, have other underlying health issues which and it accelerated their death because big weak immunity.

The numbers with underlying health issue with a susceptable weak immunity have now vastly deceased.

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

But, this is common sense though. Something that's in short supply on these forums. "

I would suggest some are less clever with less common sense than they think! For the first wave to have killed off all those most at risk it would have had to be left to run its course, it wasn’t and it didn’t. We artificially cut the first wave by going into lockdown when we did! The vast majority of those most at risk did not get exposed to virus in the first wave.

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By *ictoriaathomeTV/TS
over a year ago

Huddersfield

"Suicide rate is far more than covid deaths

Source please...

But to put that in context, in 2019 - 5691 people’s deaths were registered as suicide - the highest number recorded for 20 years and equatable to 17/100000.

Covid by comparison- at the height of the first wave we had alarming death rates attributed to covid. They were astounding. And to date covid has attributed to roughly to 70/100000 deaths in the UK

April 17 - 22,351 total with 8,269 listed as covid - 36% deaths

September 11 - 9,811 - 99 attributed to covid 1%

Let’s hope this trend remains like this. But people. Please only post credible backed up statements rather than adding to either fear or conspiracy.

As you were

Great Post!

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By *D835Man
over a year ago

London

"I think the point that everyone seems to miss is that we are a long, long way off a mass vaccination programme and through lots of different reasons the NHS is woefully inadequate for us to try and run with the ‘herd immunity theory’.

Hancock is way out of his depth because he has neither the intelligence or the ability to try and see a path through this.

Add all those things together and the country will be continued to be in lockdown in some form for possibly years to come.

I think when this is all over and we look at deaths from other sources and the mass unemployment we will wonder if trying to eradicate Covid19 was actually worth it !

What excuse will the government make in a couple of weeks if deaths aren’t up to 300 - 400 a day, will be very interesting !

“...... What excuse will the government make in a couple of weeks if deaths aren’t up to 300 - 400 a day....”

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The government will not need to make an ‘excuse’ if the deaths aren’t up to 300-400 a day in a couple of weeks.

If the above scenario happens, it will prove that local lockdowns and other restrictions have worked !! - thereby preventing 300-400 deaths a day.

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over a year ago

Hancock is way out of his depth because he has neither the intelligence or the ability to try and see a path through this.

Add all those things together and the country will be continued to be in lockdown in some form for possibly years to come.

I think when this is all over and we look at deaths from other sources and the mass unemployment we will wonder if trying to eradicate Covid19 was actually worth it !

What excuse will the government make in a couple of weeks if deaths aren’t up to 300 - 400 a day, will be very interesting !

“...... What excuse will the government make in a couple of weeks if deaths aren’t up to 300 - 400 a day....”

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The government will not need to make an ‘excuse’ if the deaths aren’t up to 300-400 a day in a couple of weeks.

If the above scenario happens, it will prove that local lockdowns and other restrictions have worked !! - thereby preventing 300-400 deaths a day. "

So the government advisors can never be proven wrong. Even though other epidemiologists questioned their predictions/not predictions.

If their predictions/not predictions come about they can say we told you so.

If their predictions/not predictions don't come about they can say it's because of the restrictions we put in place.

Conveniently glossing over that restrictions have been in place in the north for weeks now and the positive tests keep going up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Would Captain Scott have said to Roald Amundsen. "It's OK old boy, you get to the South Pole first as I understand it gets a bit chilly at night".

Or Sir Edmund Hilary say to Sherpa Tensing "oooer the airs a bit thin up here, we'd better get off the mountain as we might die".

Sorry. What's your point?

That's fine when your actions only affect you. With this disease, people going "fuck it I'm going to a party" then goes on to affect the people they come across in the supermarket, you know, the ones that are vulnerable and only leaving their houses for essential tasks. This forces them to be exposed to a higher risk they would avoid if they could, all because someone else couldn't be bothered to stick to the rules.

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over a year ago

Hancock is way out of his depth because he has neither the intelligence or the ability to try and see a path through this.

Add all those things together and the country will be continued to be in lockdown in some form for possibly years to come.

I think when this is all over and we look at deaths from other sources and the mass unemployment we will wonder if trying to eradicate Covid19 was actually worth it !

What excuse will the government make in a couple of weeks if deaths aren’t up to 300 - 400 a day, will be very interesting !

“...... What excuse will the government make in a couple of weeks if deaths aren’t up to 300 - 400 a day....”

—————————-

The government will not need to make an ‘excuse’ if the deaths aren’t up to 300-400 a day in a couple of weeks.

If the above scenario happens, it will prove that local lockdowns and other restrictions have worked !! - thereby preventing 300-400 deaths a day.

So the government advisors can never be proven wrong. Even though other epidemiologists questioned their predictions/not predictions.

If their predictions/not predictions come about they can say we told you so.

If their predictions/not predictions don't come about they can say it's because of the restrictions we put in place.

Conveniently glossing over that restrictions have been in place in the north for weeks now and the positive tests keep going up. "

Says the person conveniently glossing over the significant levels of non compliance with the rules and restrictions in precisely the places where infections are rising.

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

Hancock is way out of his depth because he has neither the intelligence or the ability to try and see a path through this.

Add all those things together and the country will be continued to be in lockdown in some form for possibly years to come.

I think when this is all over and we look at deaths from other sources and the mass unemployment we will wonder if trying to eradicate Covid19 was actually worth it !

What excuse will the government make in a couple of weeks if deaths aren’t up to 300 - 400 a day, will be very interesting !

“...... What excuse will the government make in a couple of weeks if deaths aren’t up to 300 - 400 a day....”

—————————-

The government will not need to make an ‘excuse’ if the deaths aren’t up to 300-400 a day in a couple of weeks.

If the above scenario happens, it will prove that local lockdowns and other restrictions have worked !! - thereby preventing 300-400 deaths a day.

So the government advisors can never be proven wrong. Even though other epidemiologists questioned their predictions/not predictions.

If their predictions/not predictions come about they can say we told you so.

If their predictions/not predictions don't come about they can say it's because of the restrictions we put in place.

Conveniently glossing over that restrictions have been in place in the north for weeks now and the positive tests keep going up. "

Firstly, anyone can be proven wrong, the government advisors haven't and they include epidemiologists.

Secondly, the restrictions aren't working in the north due to many people questioning and many ignoring them

Are you one of the many

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By *urekamanfor2Man
over a year ago

Shoreham

"Would Captain Scott have said to Roald Amundsen. "It's OK old boy, you get to the South Pole first as I understand it gets a bit chilly at night".

Or Sir Edmund Hilary say to Sherpa Tensing "oooer the airs a bit thin up here, we'd better get off the mountain as we might die".

Sorry. What's your point?

It's either supreme selfishness or stupidity

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Would Captain Scott have said to Roald Amundsen. "It's OK old boy, you get to the South Pole first as I understand it gets a bit chilly at night".

Or Sir Edmund Hilary say to Sherpa Tensing "oooer the airs a bit thin up here, we'd better get off the mountain as we might die".

Sorry. What's your point?

And here lies the problem nowhere did he say he wanted to go to a party. It's the usual trope now. I think I'm capable of washing my hands, keeping my distance, wearing a mask indoors and can live my life accordingly. That doesn't mean I want to go to a party. get pissed or go and get fucked.

As for the argument about giving it to someone in a supermarket if as we have been told close contact is within 2 metres for longer than 15 minutes and most people are wearing masks I question how great that risk is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All, all of these measures now are going to do is compleatly wreck thousands maybe millions of lives.

For those of us unlucky enough to remember 83 onward up to approx 87,,will very well remember what such a recession did to the country.

Thousands lost homes, jobs,... The mental state of thousands will go down hill rapid.

Do not be under any illusion this will be bad,, and I'm predicting hardship as maybe never been seen on this scale by any of us.

So I do think yes open the country back up again or stop fucking about and go for a date in say 2 months,, then enforce total lock down for 3-4 weeks,, and I do mean total lock down.

People waiting for the miracle vaccine well it could be years away yet,,, and remember this will be years you will never ever get back

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