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By *Mids guy OP   Man
over a year ago

Lichfield

As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?

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By *unmatt888Man
over a year ago

Duns

Have you thought that maybe the relatively low death rate is because of the measures in place?

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By *EXY_PILOTMan
over a year ago

Manchester, North West, UK


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?"

I think until they don't find a cure, we'll stay in lock down!

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By *all me FlikWoman
over a year ago

Galaxy Far Far Away

Depends if one of the 0.07% was a friend or family member I guess....and dont forget the long term sufferers and all the implications that come with that.

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By *EXY_PILOTMan
over a year ago

Manchester, North West, UK


"Have you thought that maybe the relatively low death rate is because of the measures in place?"

Possibly true, but again look at other countries where there was/ is no lock down so is there a high death rate?

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By *incskittenWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?"

My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive.

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By *Mids guy OP   Man
over a year ago

Lichfield

From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes

With proper safeguards for the vulnerable

And by proper safeguards I don[t mean everybody else having to lock themselves down in case they pass it on to the elderly or the sick.

Lets see if the experts can come up with ways to do this that dont wreck the economy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Have you thought that maybe the relatively low death rate is because of the measures in place?

Possibly true, but again look at other countries where there was/ is no lock down so is there a high death rate? "

Yes.

Also you can't really compare it to anywhere else because every country has a different Outcome depending on so many factors, like General health of the population, Age and how densely populated it is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?

My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive."

Do you have a year to waste ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes

With proper safeguards for the vulnerable

And by proper safeguards I don[t mean everybody else having to lock themselves down in case they pass it on to the elderly or the sick.

Lets see if the experts can come up with ways to do this that dont wreck the economy."

You are aware but if we don't have restrictions in place for everybody then the nhs will not cope is a simple as that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?

My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive.

Do you have a year to waste ?"

It's not a wasted year it's just a limited year and I'd rather have a limited year than no more years.

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

We have to find a better way of doing things than pinning all hope on a vaccine or being threatened with removal of liberty whenever the infection rate looks like creeping up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Am guessing you haven’t been directly exposed to Covid. Six months on a close family member is still suffering the after effects, some of which may be permanent. If you’ve seen it first hand you may have a different, not one of the 0.07% but damn close with long lasting after effects.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment "

You realise over 40,000 people have died?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?

My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive.

Do you have a year to waste ?

It's not a wasted year it's just a limited year and I'd rather have a limited year than no more years."

I am sorry for you if you are one of the vulnerable then. I am in the frame too because of my age and gender

But I couldn't bear the thought of locking myself down for a year or more.

I dont have too many years to waste.

As for the NHS it coped admirably in the first wave and the nightingale hospitals were not needed.

The nightingales are still there and we have a few therapies now to alleviate some of he worst cases

Unless you know something the experts dont then there is no reason suggest this one will be any worse than the first wave.

Nobody has said that as far as I know.

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple
over a year ago

Broadstairs


"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment

You realise over 40,000 people have died?"

And what was the average age ? How many have died from loss of appointments for Cancer ?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment

You realise over 40,000 people have died? And what was the average age ? How many have died from loss of appointments for Cancer ? "

Why does their age matter?

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By *Mids guy OP   Man
over a year ago

Lichfield


"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment

You realise over 40,000 people have died?"

Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population

More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?

My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive.

Do you have a year to waste ?

It's not a wasted year it's just a limited year and I'd rather have a limited year than no more years.

I am sorry for you if you are one of the vulnerable then. I am in the frame too because of my age and gender

But I couldn't bear the thought of locking myself down for a year or more.

I dont have too many years to waste.

As for the NHS it coped admirably in the first wave and the nightingale hospitals were not needed.

The nightingales are still there and we have a few therapies now to alleviate some of he worst cases

Unless you know something the experts dont then there is no reason suggest this one will be any worse than the first wave.

Nobody has said that as far as I know."

Firstly I haven't asked you to feel sorry for me.

Secondly the nhs only coped because we flattened the curve.

If we lift restrictions then it won't, The NAH struggles almost every Winter so what makes you think this one is gonna be any different plus covid its just obvious.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment

You realise over 40,000 people have died?

Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population

More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped."

Maybe we should do nothing then and let even more die?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment

You realise over 40,000 people have died?

Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population

More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped."

Very few people have had their cancer treatment just stopped that's just scare mongering.

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple
over a year ago

Broadstairs


"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment

You realise over 40,000 people have died?

Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population

More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped."

Exactly seems like the only illness you can now die of is Covid

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment

You realise over 40,000 people have died?

Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population

More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped. Exactly seems like the only illness you can now die of is Covid "

How?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment

You realise over 40,000 people have died?

Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population

More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped. Exactly seems like the only illness you can now die of is Covid "

Huh?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment

You realise over 40,000 people have died?

Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population

More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped.

Very few people have had their cancer treatment just stopped that's just scare mongering."

Love the way people say..oh it's only 0.7 of the population.

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By *Mids guy OP   Man
over a year ago

Lichfield


"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment

You realise over 40,000 people have died?

Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population

More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped.

Very few people have had their cancer treatment just stopped that's just scare mongering."

And continuing to refer to Covid as the deadly virus isn’t scaremongering ?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment

You realise over 40,000 people have died?

Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population

More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped.

Very few people have had their cancer treatment just stopped that's just scare mongering.

And continuing to refer to Covid as the deadly virus isn’t scaremongering ? "

So a virus that kills nearly half a million people isnt deadly in your opinion?

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple
over a year ago

Broadstairs


"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment

You realise over 40,000 people have died?

Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population

More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped. Exactly seems like the only illness you can now die of is Covid

How?"

cancelled appointments for cancer 165000 people die of cancer every year in the uk

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By *Mids guy OP   Man
over a year ago

Lichfield


"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment

You realise over 40,000 people have died?

Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population

More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped.

Very few people have had their cancer treatment just stopped that's just scare mongering.

Love the way people say..oh it's only 0.7 of the population."

Less than 0.07 actually

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment

You realise over 40,000 people have died?

Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population

More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped.

Very few people have had their cancer treatment just stopped that's just scare mongering.

And continuing to refer to Covid as the deadly virus isn’t scaremongering ? "

Anything that kills people is deadly so not quite sure what your trying to say.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment

You realise over 40,000 people have died?

Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population

More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped. Exactly seems like the only illness you can now die of is Covid

How? cancelled appointments for cancer 165000 people die of cancer every year in the uk "

Did 165000 die due to missed appointments?

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By *incskittenWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?

My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive.

Do you have a year to waste ?"

If that year keeps me and my family alive yes.

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple
over a year ago

Broadstairs


"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment

You realise over 40,000 people have died?

Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population

More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped. Exactly seems like the only illness you can now die of is Covid

How? cancelled appointments for cancer 165000 people die of cancer every year in the uk

Did 165000 die due to missed appointments?"

No but cancer specialists are saying they are seeing 37000 less than they would have expected I personally know of 2 cancer patients that have had appointments cancelled ,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?

My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive.

Do you have a year to waste ?

If that year keeps me and my family alive yes. "

Exactly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment

You realise over 40,000 people have died?

Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population

More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped.

Very few people have had their cancer treatment just stopped that's just scare mongering.

And continuing to refer to Covid as the deadly virus isn’t scaremongering ?

So a virus that kills nearly half a million people isnt deadly in your opinion?"

Its kicking the arse off a million now lionel..

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By *ama Raised a RebelWoman
over a year ago

Walsall

This sort of attitude is scary Hitler started with this attitude in the early 1930s it lead to euthanasia for the handicapped. Lets just stick with trying to preserve life as best we can.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment

You realise over 40,000 people have died?

Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population

More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped. Exactly seems like the only illness you can now die of is Covid

How? cancelled appointments for cancer 165000 people die of cancer every year in the uk

Did 165000 die due to missed appointments? No but cancer specialists are saying they are seeing 37000 less than they would have expected I personally know of 2 cancer patients that have had appointments cancelled , "

So the 165000 figure was completely misleading?

Maybe if we had got a healthcare system which was properly funded,we could attempt to cope with both.

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple
over a year ago

Broadstairs


"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment

You realise over 40,000 people have died?

Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population

More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped. Exactly seems like the only illness you can now die of is Covid

How? cancelled appointments for cancer 165000 people die of cancer every year in the uk

Did 165000 die due to missed appointments? No but cancer specialists are saying they are seeing 37000 less than they would have expected I personally know of 2 cancer patients that have had appointments cancelled ,

So the 165000 figure was completely misleading?

Maybe if we had got a healthcare system which was properly funded,we could attempt to cope with both."

so you dismiss the cancelled appointments? How many other illness are not being treated ? Personally we think this a very dangerous time to get ill with anything

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment

You realise over 40,000 people have died?

Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population

More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped. Exactly seems like the only illness you can now die of is Covid

How? cancelled appointments for cancer 165000 people die of cancer every year in the uk

Did 165000 die due to missed appointments? No but cancer specialists are saying they are seeing 37000 less than they would have expected I personally know of 2 cancer patients that have had appointments cancelled ,

So the 165000 figure was completely misleading?

Maybe if we had got a healthcare system which was properly funded,we could attempt to cope with both. so you dismiss the cancelled appointments? How many other illness are not being treated ? Personally we think this a very dangerous time to get ill with anything "

You are aware if this virus is just left to its own devices and we don't have strict restrictions in place the nhs will not cope and people will still not be able to have ongoing treatment for other things.

Lifting restrictions will not suddenly mean everything goes back to normal.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment

You realise over 40,000 people have died?

Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population

More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped. Exactly seems like the only illness you can now die of is Covid

How? cancelled appointments for cancer 165000 people die of cancer every year in the uk

Did 165000 die due to missed appointments? No but cancer specialists are saying they are seeing 37000 less than they would have expected I personally know of 2 cancer patients that have had appointments cancelled ,

So the 165000 figure was completely misleading?

Maybe if we had got a healthcare system which was properly funded,we could attempt to cope with both. so you dismiss the cancelled appointments? How many other illness are not being treated ? Personally we think this a very dangerous time to get ill with anything "

What do you suggest they do exactly?

Ignore a worldwide pandemic?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This sort of attitude is scary Hitler started with this attitude in the early 1930s it lead to euthanasia for the handicapped. Lets just stick with trying to preserve life as best we can."

Absolutely, It's shocking the number of people that keep saying just shut the old and sick away and let the rest of us gone with our lives.

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By *EloveMan
over a year ago

Pool of Life


"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment

You realise over 40,000 people have died? And what was the average age ? How many have died from loss of appointments for Cancer ? "

Yes that whole *include ever death in old people's homes* didn't sit true with me. I'm happy to be corrected here with someone who can link me to facts

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By *wosWoman
over a year ago

east london

Isn't scaremongering...have had no treatment since July...and they're still messing me about..


"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment

You realise over 40,000 people have died?

Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population

More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped.

Very few people have had their cancer treatment just stopped that's just scare mongering."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This sort of attitude is scary Hitler started with this attitude in the early 1930s it lead to euthanasia for the handicapped. Lets just stick with trying to preserve life as best we can."

Wondered how long it would be before somebody mentioned Hitler's compulsory euthanasia !

We don't live in a totalitarian society so that wont happen

Mind you, the way this government is going it may not be too far off.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?"

Presumably that's 0.07% of the population. Official figures around 9.5% of those tested positive have died. Maybe 0.07% is because measures have reduced spread, maybe not. Who is willing to take that 1 in 10 chance?

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?"

Other than putting a mask on to go shopping, pubs shutting a bit early.

Rishi paying me 6 months for a 4 month holiday. Saving a fortune eating out in August.

My thoughts are....it hasn't affected me personally that much.

I'm sure others have been devastated by losing loved ones, isolation, fear, depression and loss of livelyhood.

It has affected many in many ways.

Wouldn't want to be in charge and walking a tightrope where one step in either direction changes outcomes for different groups of people.....and gets criticised from all sides no matter what.

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By *lan157Man
over a year ago

a village near Haywards Heath in East Sussex


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?

Presumably that's 0.07% of the population. Official figures around 9.5% of those tested positive have died. Maybe 0.07% is because measures have reduced spread, maybe not. Who is willing to take that 1 in 10 chance? "

I think you should check that ratio

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By *eavy-Metal-CoupleCouple
over a year ago

Liverpool

I always think life about risks and you live it how you want to. The first lockdown has cause a lot of damage to the economy and other health factors eg Mental Health, delayed treatments and also a rise in domestic abuse. We can't really afford a second lockdown so we have to find a way of living with it. As scientist's that are not under the government pay roll have said we need to use common sense and now we are knowing more about this and more accurate testing has raise the numbers. Also data shows that in winter deaths sadly do rise from winter illnesses eg flu, pneumonia, Hypothermia. Professor Woolhouse of Edinburgh uni said that it better to shield the vulnerable during the coldest months but let the healthy continue on as normal to build a herd immunity might be the best for all

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By *atch and blossomCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

Sepsis kills over 40,000 a year. Cancer kills over 165,000. The flu can kill up to 20,0000. Car accidents 1700. Etc etc. Perspective is needed

In order to have an economy at the end of this the healthy should be allowed to live without much restriction

It is hardly objective for those who need to shield to demand everyone else should too. I'm guessing having low tax contributions to the NHS due to a decimated economy helps the NHS in some magical way?

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By *eavy-Metal-CoupleCouple
over a year ago

Liverpool

Yep we need to hear from both sides and then decide the best plan of action but Boris has surrounded himself with doom and gloom merchants and all what happening now is working into there hands with the old blaming the youth and vice versa. Its really sad that we are like this now.

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights

We know approximately 20,000 people are going to die from flu this season as that's our yearly average, whats unknown is the excess deaths that will result from covid-19, the amount of people with comorbidities they don't know about yet is in the millions. COPD in the uk is estimated to be 2 million people that don't know they have it yet, so no I don't think we should live life as normal, we should live it safely and with respect to others

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?

I think until they don't find a cure, we'll stay in lock down! "

an impossible situation. We, will pay for this, for many years to come. We, will be, remembered by future, generations, as, the generation who gave up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?

Presumably that's 0.07% of the population. Official figures around 9.5% of those tested positive have died. Maybe 0.07% is because measures have reduced spread, maybe not. Who is willing to take that 1 in 10 chance?

I think you should check that ratio "

439013 positive cases. 42000 deaths. Will let you check the ratio.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We know approximately 20,000 people are going to die from flu this season as that's our yearly average, whats unknown is the excess deaths that will result from covid-19, the amount of people with comorbidities they don't know about yet is in the millions. COPD in the uk is estimated to be 2 million people that don't know they have it yet, so no I don't think we should live life as normal, we should live it safely and with respect to others"

Also I would think that even the healthiest and fittest of people could have very serious complications if they get flu or another sessional virus and covid at the same time.

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By *he-Hosiery-GentMan
over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy


"This sort of attitude is scary Hitler started with this attitude in the early 1930s it lead to euthanasia for the handicapped. Lets just stick with trying to preserve life as best we can.

Absolutely, It's shocking the number of people that keep saying just shut the old and sick away and let the rest of us gone with our lives. "

No. What’s shocking is the attitude, ignorance & stupidity of people saying we should be locked down.

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By *atch and blossomCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

I don't think wanting the old and sick to be safe is any kind of eugenics or euthanasia view point. Protect those that need it. Let those that don't continue their lives and rebuild our economy

If you remember what happened to areas after the coal pits were shut perhaps think about what this country will be like with over 4.5million unemployed next year. It will take decades to recover

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Instead of only looking at the number of deaths as a percentage try looking at the total.Each one of those deaths is a person with family.

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham


"Yep we need to hear from both sides and then decide the best plan of action but Boris has surrounded himself with doom and gloom merchants and all what happening now is working into there hands with the old blaming the youth and vice versa. Its really sad that we are like this now."
we are being taken down one path by the two Ronnies, (Vallance and Witty). There, must be many others paths to take,it won't bother those two once economic ruin sets in but Boris needs to heed the warnings or forever be known as the guy who destroyed the UK. We need a wake up call now, stop the scaremongering. And stop coming out with facts and figures. It's time for a reality check. We all know scientists cannot accept reality and failure, when it comes to results. If they say things work it doesn't necessarily end up that way. Computer says... not always right.

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By *atch and blossomCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

So is every single person that died of cancer, or sepsis or .......

COVID deaths should not be prioritised above those who are sick from other illnesses. We need to learn to live with this

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?"

People not dying is not the same as full recovery.......

This thing is fucking up people’s lungs and people’s hearts......

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By *atch and blossomCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

It doesn't mean that the huge majority of people should have their lives and livelihoods destroyed as some people become sick and or die.

That our nation's economy should be decimated. That the unemployment rate hits 4.5million. That the number of mental health issues and suicides increases

COVID should not Trump all the other illnesses and issues we have. Adults can make their own risk assessments and live accordingly.

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest

The initial lockdown was justifiable as there was a lot of speculation and little actual data on the virus itself, it's ease (or not) of transmission, and lethality.

Months later we have much more information to avoid repeated "knee jerk" reactions that our leaders insist on repeating

The CDC has just admitted that the lethality rate for those under 50 is extremely low, and even lower for those 20 and below. It also reported how dangerous it can be for the elderly who are usually the most vulnerable.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html

We now know that hydroxichloriquine, zinc, azythromycin, some steroids and oxygen therapy (opposed to ventilators) are effective in treating the disease in people who don't cope well on their own, which has also reduced the CFR (case fatality rate). Higher vitamin D levels lower the intensity of viral symptoms. We also now know that the PCR tests generate a huge number of false positives and that a positive test doesn't tell us anything beyond the presence of some viral particles. It says nothing of viral load or if the person is actually sick.

We have all the information we need to resume life as normal while still shielding the most vulnerable and treating them if infected.

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By *iker boy 69Man
over a year ago

midlands


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?

My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive."

While youre couped up though youve not got a life, apart from the one youre allowing yourself to believe you need to live

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By *ohnjo24Man
over a year ago

swansea

These local lockdown's could last for years,there was a viroligest on Andrew Marr yesterday saying this could go on for up to ten years,there'll be a lot more died before then through suicide from being locked away from friends and family,my mother is nearly ninty she had it and came out the other side fine,let's get back to normal.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?

My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive.

While youre couped up though youve not got a life, apart from the one youre allowing yourself to believe you need to live"

The poster may have an illness and have been advised to stay at home for now.

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By *ykmwyldTV/TS
over a year ago

Belpre

Be smart !

Be safe !

Stay alive !

There's been over 204,000 US deaths, so far !

Many virus survivors will suffer lifetime effects !

I'm quite sure there will be many many more deaths and suffering before they get control of this pandemic !

The serious lack of leadership in most countries is the direct cause of this catastrophe !

The leaders knew what had to be done to control the pandemic, they just flat out refused to do what was necessary, so they could maintain their wealth, and their positions of power in politics and government, regardless of the suffering and deaths they knew from the beginning it would cause !

These are definitely crimes against humanity, and should be judged as such in the courts of law in each of these countries, where applicable !

But, I can pretty much guarantee, none of these uncaring vile leaders will be held accountable for

their blatant disregard for human life and suffering !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So all these let's get on with it, I'm o.k - how about you are made to look after and move covid cases as porters/carers/nurses etc, bury the bodys and all with no PPE.... any takers?

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By *nigmatic_AngelWoman
over a year ago

The place where fairies live


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?

My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive.

Do you have a year to waste ?

It's not a wasted year it's just a limited year and I'd rather have a limited year than no more years."

I love this answer Lorna xx

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?

My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive.

Do you have a year to waste ?

It's not a wasted year it's just a limited year and I'd rather have a limited year than no more years.I love this answer Lorna xx"

Me too

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By *atch and blossomCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

65 to 70% of deaths or there abouts are men. I always find it interesting this is not discussed very much

As a women my risk is vanishly small. I think it is something like 80% deaths are in the over 80s...again my risk is small

Currently I have more chance of getting syphilis (and I play safe) than COVID. That also leads to death and long lasting consequences if not detected.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford


"65 to 70% of deaths or there abouts are men. I always find it interesting this is not discussed very much

As a women my risk is vanishly small. I think it is something like 80% deaths are in the over 80s...again my risk is small

Currently I have more chance of getting syphilis (and I play safe) than COVID. That also leads to death and long lasting consequences if not detected. "

It is small, so hopefully you can get on with your life

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over a year ago


"65 to 70% of deaths or there abouts are men. I always find it interesting this is not discussed very much

As a women my risk is vanishly small. I think it is something like 80% deaths are in the over 80s...again my risk is small

Currently I have more chance of getting syphilis (and I play safe) than COVID. That also leads to death and long lasting consequences if not detected. "

Actually only 58% of deaths are in the over 80's

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By *incskittenWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?

My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive.

While youre couped up though youve not got a life, apart from the one youre allowing yourself to believe you need to live"

You dont know my situation, my life is mine to live as i choose.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?

My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive.

While youre couped up though youve not got a life, apart from the one youre allowing yourself to believe you need to live

You dont know my situation, my life is mine to live as i choose."

Quite right

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By *atch and blossomCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

Agreed it is. But then that should extend to all those who choose to not want to live in lockdown.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford


"Agreed it is. But then that should extend to all those who choose to not want to live in lockdown. "

We are all in different situations and you have to do what is right for you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?

Presumably that's 0.07% of the population. Official figures around 9.5% of those tested positive have died. Maybe 0.07% is because measures have reduced spread, maybe not. Who is willing to take that 1 in 10 chance?

I think you should check that ratio "

Definitely!

The data and government say approx 8% to 9% of the UK have had covid so far.

That's about 5 and half million people. Of which 43,000 have died.

That is not a 1 in 10 chance at all!

So it's 43,000 deaths from 5,500,000 infections. That's about 0.78%.

So not a 1 in 10 chance but less than 1 in a 100 chance vastly different.

KJ

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Agreed it is. But then that should extend to all those who choose to not want to live in lockdown. "

But you don't get a choice not to live in lockdown because that's what the government has decided you need to do.

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By *ark Knight 2017Man
over a year ago

Ware


"Agreed it is. But then that should extend to all those who choose to not want to live in lockdown. "

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By *atch and blossomCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

We have policing by consent (currently). Plus the Tory rebels look like they will pass an amendment this week so that future COVID 'laws' are discussed in Parliament

It seems that if you have an alternative view regarding lockdown you are seen as Far Right/COVID denier/ Conspiracy theory believer/ Piers Cornyn lover

I'm none of the above but I feel lockdown is a futile excercise and an economic disaster

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The initial lockdown was justifiable as there was a lot of speculation and little actual data on the virus itself, it's ease (or not) of transmission, and lethality.

Months later we have much more information to avoid repeated "knee jerk" reactions that our leaders insist on repeating

The CDC has just admitted that the lethality rate for those under 50 is extremely low, and even lower for those 20 and below. It also reported how dangerous it can be for the elderly who are usually the most vulnerable.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html

We now know that hydroxichloriquine, zinc, azythromycin, some steroids and oxygen therapy (opposed to ventilators) are effective in treating the disease in people who don't cope well on their own, which has also reduced the CFR (case fatality rate). Higher vitamin D levels lower the intensity of viral symptoms. We also now know that the PCR tests generate a huge number of false positives and that a positive test doesn't tell us anything beyond the presence of some viral particles. It says nothing of viral load or if the person is actually sick.

We have all the information we need to resume life as normal while still shielding the most vulnerable and treating them if infected."

How do you suggest we shield the vulnerable while allowing them to live their normal lives?

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By *atch and blossomCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

If shielding the vunerable technically can not live their every day lives. Is your proposal we lock down 100% for 10% or so?

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By *itty9899Man
over a year ago

Craggy Island

Yep.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If shielding the vunerable technically can not live their every day lives. Is your proposal we lock down 100% for 10% or so? "

It's actually closer to 25%.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford


"Yep. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If shielding the vunerable technically can not live their every day lives. Is your proposal we lock down 100% for 10% or so?

It's actually closer to 25%."

Oh and the people they live with and care for so you are looking at probably closer to 40% of the population being directly affected.

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By *rsbrooksandjohnCouple
over a year ago

Swansea

Don t think anyone has the answer that fits all of the scenarios but do think that this virus may be around for a long time so are we going to stay in a state of lockdown for the foreseeable future or are we going to just get on with it. Like most of asia does. The economic and mental damage could have a much longer ladting effect on the population.

At the end of the day the uk has one of the highest rates of unhealthy people in europe and we only have ourselves to blame . "Why walk half a mile to take the kids to school or go to the shops when i can take the car"

We are all guilty of this at some point in our lives then try to blame everyone else except ourselves .i think all the local lockdowns are doing is pushing the infection rate further down the line at this rate we couls all be in lockdown till 2030 or until a vaccine is ready . But then how many people are going to refuse it for one facebook reason or another

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?"

Death is not the only drawback to covid, it can and has fucked people's lungs causing problems for the rest of their life, even the young are affected by that. It is not a virus to play about with, even a low does can mess you up for months

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?

Death is not the only drawback to covid, it can and has fucked people's lungs causing problems for the rest of their life, even the young are affected by that. It is not a virus to play about with, even a low does can mess you up for months"

Yes I've seen several posts on the forums from people who say they A healthy and young and have now got long covid.

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By *arkus1812Man
over a year ago

Lifes departure lounge NN9 Northamptonshire East not West MidlandsMidlands


"We have policing by consent (currently). Plus the Tory rebels look like they will pass an amendment this week so that future COVID 'laws' are discussed in Parliament

It seems that if you have an alternative view regarding lockdown you are seen as Far Right/COVID denier/ Conspiracy theory believer/ Piers Cornyn lover

I'm none of the above but I feel lockdown is a futile excercise and an economic disaster "

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By *atch and blossomCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

Good luck on that. I'm guessing you don't ever want to retire and are happy to have a depleted social structure in the UK?

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By *atch and blossomCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

25% of the population being supported by 75%. Providing support through tax revenues. I'm up for that.

100% of the population shut down. 4.5 million unemployed and the economy tanked beyond recognition? Nope

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By *iker boy 69Man
over a year ago

midlands


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?

My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive.

While youre couped up though youve not got a life, apart from the one youre allowing yourself to believe you need to live

You dont know my situation, my life is mine to live as i choose.

Quite right "

Thats quite right, but, then on the other hand ive got no choice on how i go about living mine but a lot call me an arsehole for wanting that choice

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"25% of the population being supported by 75%. Providing support through tax revenues. I'm up for that.

100% of the population shut down. 4.5 million unemployed and the economy tanked beyond recognition? Nope"

Sorry when is a 100% of the population been shut down?

I don't know why people seem to think that if the vulnerable are shut away the rest of you are suddenly not gonna lose your jobs because that's not how this is gonna work so let's not marginalise the vulnerable further.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"25% of the population being supported by 75%. Providing support through tax revenues. I'm up for that.

100% of the population shut down. 4.5 million unemployed and the economy tanked beyond recognition? Nope"

Also do you know what shielding actually means?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If shielding the vunerable technically can not live their every day lives. Is your proposal we lock down 100% for 10% or so? "

Maybe we could all accept some level of disruption to our normal lives in order that everyone gets a chance at some normality? Surely better that than telling 25% of the population that they are dispensable.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?

My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive.

While youre couped up though youve not got a life, apart from the one youre allowing yourself to believe you need to live

You dont know my situation, my life is mine to live as i choose.

Quite right

Thats quite right, but, then on the other hand ive got no choice on how i go about living mine but a lot call me an arsehole for wanting that choice"

And what is your choice?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If shielding the vunerable technically can not live their every day lives. Is your proposal we lock down 100% for 10% or so?

Maybe we could all accept some level of disruption to our normal lives in order that everyone gets a chance at some normality? Surely better that than telling 25% of the population that they are dispensable. "

Thank you.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford


"If shielding the vunerable technically can not live their every day lives. Is your proposal we lock down 100% for 10% or so?

Maybe we could all accept some level of disruption to our normal lives in order that everyone gets a chance at some normality? Surely better that than telling 25% of the population that they are dispensable. "

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By *D835Man
over a year ago

London


"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment

You realise over 40,000 people have died?

Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population

More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped.

Very few people have had their cancer treatment just stopped that's just scare mongering.

Love the way people say..oh it's only 0.7 of the population.

Less than 0.07 actually "

“..... Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population.....”

————————

The whole population has not been infected so the 0.07 % is meaningless.

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By *iker boy 69Man
over a year ago

midlands


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?

My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive.

While youre couped up though youve not got a life, apart from the one youre allowing yourself to believe you need to live

You dont know my situation, my life is mine to live as i choose.

Quite right

Thats quite right, but, then on the other hand ive got no choice on how i go about living mine but a lot call me an arsehole for wanting that choice

And what is your choice? "

Im more than happy to meet in groups of like minded people for mutual enjoyment. Wether that be it sexual, drinking, socialising at home, going on motorbike group rides or more. Even if i was still a football fan, attending games with others who also wish to not be forced not to. If people want to self isolate for whatever reason, thats their choice. But for us who wish to carry on, our choice has been removed. I know i will get called a selfish twat but hey ho

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By *iker boy 69Man
over a year ago

midlands


"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment

You realise over 40,000 people have died?

Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population

More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped.

Very few people have had their cancer treatment just stopped that's just scare mongering.

Love the way people say..oh it's only 0.7 of the population.

Less than 0.07 actually

“..... Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population.....”

————————

The whole population has not been infected so the 0.07 % is meaningless.

"

Scaremongering... how ironic

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


"Depends if one of the 0.07% was a friend or family member I guess....and dont forget the long term sufferers and all the implications that come with that."

So what if one of your family has died because they weren't treated for cancer in time or committed suicide due to being isolated and unable to get help ?

A balance has to be made between both causes and then the economic fallout that may well cause more deaths.

The decision is very hard and has to be for the benefit of the majority, the whole country and both sides of politics should be as one but all we get is the media criticism, even when the gov do something they demand they still complain.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?

My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive.

While youre couped up though youve not got a life, apart from the one youre allowing yourself to believe you need to live

You dont know my situation, my life is mine to live as i choose.

Quite right

Thats quite right, but, then on the other hand ive got no choice on how i go about living mine but a lot call me an arsehole for wanting that choice

And what is your choice?

Im more than happy to meet in groups of like minded people for mutual enjoyment. Wether that be it sexual, drinking, socialising at home, going on motorbike group rides or more. Even if i was still a football fan, attending games with others who also wish to not be forced not to. If people want to self isolate for whatever reason, thats their choice. But for us who wish to carry on, our choice has been removed. I know i will get called a selfish twat but hey ho"

It's not selfish it's what we all want to do but unless we are prepared to sacrifice 25% or more of the population who would have to shield then we all just have to accept that whilst it isn't pleasant it's the way has to be.

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over a year ago


"The initial lockdown was justifiable as there was a lot of speculation and little actual data on the virus itself, it's ease (or not) of transmission, and lethality.

Months later we have much more information to avoid repeated "knee jerk" reactions that our leaders insist on repeating

The CDC has just admitted that the lethality rate for those under 50 is extremely low, and even lower for those 20 and below. It also reported how dangerous it can be for the elderly who are usually the most vulnerable.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html

We now know that hydroxichloriquine, zinc, azythromycin, some steroids and oxygen therapy (opposed to ventilators) are effective in treating the disease in people who don't cope well on their own, which has also reduced the CFR (case fatality rate). Higher vitamin D levels lower the intensity of viral symptoms. We also now know that the PCR tests generate a huge number of false positives and that a positive test doesn't tell us anything beyond the presence of some viral particles. It says nothing of viral load or if the person is actually sick.

We have all the information we need to resume life as normal while still shielding the most vulnerable and treating them if infected."

This sounds sensible. The virus is never going away. Herd immunity needs to be established. Otherwise - it's lockdown again and again and again and again - with all the problems and obstacles it brings. It's causing huge problems that aren't even being addressed as it is.

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?

Death is not the only drawback to covid, it can and has fucked people's lungs causing problems for the rest of their life, even the young are affected by that. It is not a virus to play about with, even a low does can mess you up for months"

So does glandular fever and other illnesses can also leave long term problems

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By *ewcouplemidsCouple
over a year ago

walsall

Simple solution shut the country down totally

No hospitals no care homes no sanitation no power n water just total lock down then in 14 days virus will be gone simples

But its not practical so as long as people have to go to work to keep the country running the virus will spread

Nurses will bring it home to there family the kids will spread it at school the father will take it to where ever he works so we can only do as much as we can

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think we have gone well beyond the tipping point for the economy of the UK to be in long term crisis. We are storing up huge problems for generations to come and I don’t believe that all of the ongoing restrictions or lockdowns are now proportionate or sustainable.

We have 42001 ‘COVID’ deaths now but how many of these are actually directly attributable to it when you look at the definition -

“Number of deaths of people who had had a positive test result for COVID-19 and died within 28 days of the first positive test. The actual cause of death may not be COVID-19 in all cases.”

So these figures are clearly not reliable and it is likely that many of the deaths are not COVID-related.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The initial lockdown was justifiable as there was a lot of speculation and little actual data on the virus itself, it's ease (or not) of transmission, and lethality.

Months later we have much more information to avoid repeated "knee jerk" reactions that our leaders insist on repeating

The CDC has just admitted that the lethality rate for those under 50 is extremely low, and even lower for those 20 and below. It also reported how dangerous it can be for the elderly who are usually the most vulnerable.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html

We now know that hydroxichloriquine, zinc, azythromycin, some steroids and oxygen therapy (opposed to ventilators) are effective in treating the disease in people who don't cope well on their own, which has also reduced the CFR (case fatality rate). Higher vitamin D levels lower the intensity of viral symptoms. We also now know that the PCR tests generate a huge number of false positives and that a positive test doesn't tell us anything beyond the presence of some viral particles. It says nothing of viral load or if the person is actually sick.

We have all the information we need to resume life as normal while still shielding the most vulnerable and treating them if infected.

This sounds sensible. The virus is never going away. Herd immunity needs to be established. Otherwise - it's lockdown again and again and again and again - with all the problems and obstacles it brings. It's causing huge problems that aren't even being addressed as it is. "

I'll ask you the same question, how do you propose to protect the vulnerable but still allow them to get on with their normal lives?

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?

My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive.

While youre couped up though youve not got a life, apart from the one youre allowing yourself to believe you need to live

You dont know my situation, my life is mine to live as i choose.

Quite right

Thats quite right, but, then on the other hand ive got no choice on how i go about living mine but a lot call me an arsehole for wanting that choice

And what is your choice?

Im more than happy to meet in groups of like minded people for mutual enjoyment. Wether that be it sexual, drinking, socialising at home, going on motorbike group rides or more. Even if i was still a football fan, attending games with others who also wish to not be forced not to. If people want to self isolate for whatever reason, thats their choice. But for us who wish to carry on, our choice has been removed. I know i will get called a selfish twat but hey ho"

Can you not still do some of those things, can you go for a drink with your mates? I wouldn't call you a selfish twat.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think we have gone well beyond the tipping point for the economy of the UK to be in long term crisis. We are storing up huge problems for generations to come and I don’t believe that all of the ongoing restrictions or lockdowns are now proportionate or sustainable.

We have 42001 ‘COVID’ deaths now but how many of these are actually directly attributable to it when you look at the definition -

“Number of deaths of people who had had a positive test result for COVID-19 and died within 28 days of the first positive test. The actual cause of death may not be COVID-19 in all cases.”

So these figures are clearly not reliable and it is likely that many of the deaths are not COVID-related.

"

I'm glad we have an actual doctor on the forum to give us their considered medical opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Be smart !

Be safe !

Stay alive !

There's been over 204,000 US deaths, so far !

Many virus survivors will suffer lifetime effects !

I'm quite sure there will be many many more deaths and suffering before they get control of this pandemic !

The serious lack of leadership in most countries is the direct cause of this catastrophe !

"

It's incredible just how many people think that this is all down to a mismanagement or a lack of political will.

It's a virus. It's endemic now. It's not going away. It will mutate and return in different forms.

We have to establish immunity.

Or else, we can stay locked down for the future and hide behind the couch forever in masks/faceshields/Hamzat suits, living in fear until a vaccine comes along.

Which may not even work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree with restrictions in places where positive results are rising.

I also think everyone has a duty to obey the rules of social distancing, regularly washing their hands and wearing a face mask where required.

Personally I think too many are using rather pathetic reasons for not following those three easy rules.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Be smart !

Be safe !

Stay alive !

There's been over 204,000 US deaths, so far !

Many virus survivors will suffer lifetime effects !

I'm quite sure there will be many many more deaths and suffering before they get control of this pandemic !

The serious lack of leadership in most countries is the direct cause of this catastrophe !

It's incredible just how many people think that this is all down to a mismanagement or a lack of political will.

It's a virus. It's endemic now. It's not going away. It will mutate and return in different forms.

We have to establish immunity.

Or else, we can stay locked down for the future and hide behind the couch forever in masks/faceshields/Hamzat suits, living in fear until a vaccine comes along.

Which may not even work."

So I'm guessing you don't properly understand how virus' mutate. Every single infection, every single replication allows changes to creep in. If you give it literally billions of more chances to mutate, can you guarantee that there won't be one that has something like an ebola level of lethality?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The initial lockdown was justifiable as there was a lot of speculation and little actual data on the virus itself, it's ease (or not) of transmission, and lethality.

Months later we have much more information to avoid repeated "knee jerk" reactions that our leaders insist on repeating

The CDC has just admitted that the lethality rate for those under 50 is extremely low, and even lower for those 20 and below. It also reported how dangerous it can be for the elderly who are usually the most vulnerable.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html

We now know that hydroxichloriquine, zinc, azythromycin, some steroids and oxygen therapy (opposed to ventilators) are effective in treating the disease in people who don't cope well on their own, which has also reduced the CFR (case fatality rate). Higher vitamin D levels lower the intensity of viral symptoms. We also now know that the PCR tests generate a huge number of false positives and that a positive test doesn't tell us anything beyond the presence of some viral particles. It says nothing of viral load or if the person is actually sick.

We have all the information we need to resume life as normal while still shielding the most vulnerable and treating them if infected."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?

My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive.

While youre couped up though youve not got a life, apart from the one youre allowing yourself to believe you need to live

You dont know my situation, my life is mine to live as i choose.

Quite right

Thats quite right, but, then on the other hand ive got no choice on how i go about living mine but a lot call me an arsehole for wanting that choice

And what is your choice?

Im more than happy to meet in groups of like minded people for mutual enjoyment. Wether that be it sexual, drinking, socialising at home, going on motorbike group rides or more. Even if i was still a football fan, attending games with others who also wish to not be forced not to. If people want to self isolate for whatever reason, thats their choice. But for us who wish to carry on, our choice has been removed. I know i will get called a selfish twat but hey ho"

So long as you all do it as far away as possible and isolate yourselves from those of us who don't want to spread Covid 19.

Perhaps you could all go to Sanday in the Orkneys and we'll let you know when it's safe to come back?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think we have gone well beyond the tipping point for the economy of the UK to be in long term crisis. We are storing up huge problems for generations to come and I don’t believe that all of the ongoing restrictions or lockdowns are now proportionate or sustainable.

We have 42001 ‘COVID’ deaths now but how many of these are actually directly attributable to it when you look at the definition -

“Number of deaths of people who had had a positive test result for COVID-19 and died within 28 days of the first positive test. The actual cause of death may not be COVID-19 in all cases.”

So these figures are clearly not reliable and it is likely that many of the deaths are not COVID-related.

I'm glad we have an actual doctor on the forum to give us their considered medical opinion."

I’m not sure why the smartarse comment is necessary. I’m just giving my opinion like everyone else. I do apologise if mine’s not worthy...

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?"

My thoughts are that anyone quoting this statistics doesn't know what they are talking about and has probably read it on social media and not taken time to analyze it or can't.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?"

Geting on with life so what are you looking for that is the thing

What would be your new normal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Simple solution shut the country down totally

No hospitals no care homes no sanitation no power n water just total lock down then in 14 days virus will be gone simples

But its not practical so as long as people have to go to work to keep the country running the virus will spread

Nurses will bring it home to there family the kids will spread it at school the father will take it to where ever he works so we can only do as much as we can "

My office has never shut and we’ve continued to go to work and nobody has caught the virus so far.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

The same question has been posted here many times.

No. The moment we let go of any attempts to rein in infection levels, we will quickly rise up towards the top of the international hall of shame, with our approach.

We don't have neat little bunkers where those who may suffer most from this remain with complete isolation from the others.

Those at risk often do not know they will be at risk either.

Without the farcical concept of those at risk being disconnected from the rest of us, the virus will just make it through to everyone. Sure, some may have no or minor symptoms but that's too high a price to pay for letting me virus ravage through everywhere and everyone.

Hospitals would be overloaded. Nobody would have the quality of treatment appropriate to them for any ill health. Other diseases, accidents, heart attacks, strokes etc don't just stop because the virus has overloaded everything.

Take a look at the USA and Brazil. You'll see examples of how things can become when you don't take the right steps.

Money or keeping people alive and well? The economy is impacted by letting the virus rip through everything. People will be left with long term health, organ failure and damage, affecting us economically and otherwise for decades. Obviously national reputation should be important too.

We're not doing the very best but a minority call for the country to be harmed, which is being funded by people who have zero interest in the best outcomes for us, is blinkered naivety, bordering on ignorance, away from what the evidence leads us to do.

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?

My thoughts are that anyone quoting this statistics doesn't know what they are talking about and has probably read it on social media and not taken time to analyze it or can't."

so what about the statistics, from the two Ronnie's( messrrs witty and Vallance,) do you think they know exactly what they are, talking about. Coming out with a load of figures does not reflect real life. Computer says

... Science, is not always, right

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think we have gone well beyond the tipping point for the economy of the UK to be in long term crisis. We are storing up huge problems for generations to come and I don’t believe that all of the ongoing restrictions or lockdowns are now proportionate or sustainable.

We have 42001 ‘COVID’ deaths now but how many of these are actually directly attributable to it when you look at the definition -

“Number of deaths of people who had had a positive test result for COVID-19 and died within 28 days of the first positive test. The actual cause of death may not be COVID-19 in all cases.”

So these figures are clearly not reliable and it is likely that many of the deaths are not COVID-related.

I'm glad we have an actual doctor on the forum to give us their considered medical opinion.

I’m not sure why the smartarse comment is necessary. I’m just giving my opinion like everyone else. I do apologise if mine’s not worthy...

"

You were stating that it's likely many of the deaths are not Covid related, I just assumed that you had medical knowledge with which to back that up.

Covid is only legally allowed to be on someone's death certificate if it is either the primary, or a contributory, cause of death. Someone with a pre-existing condition may have had it exacerbated by contracting Covid and died from it, they did not die from Covid but also without Covid they may have lived many more years.

I do not wish to sound offensive but I do take offence at the callousness with which people treat the deaths of 40,000 people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think we have gone well beyond the tipping point for the economy of the UK to be in long term crisis. We are storing up huge problems for generations to come and I don’t believe that all of the ongoing restrictions or lockdowns are now proportionate or sustainable.

We have 42001 ‘COVID’ deaths now but how many of these are actually directly attributable to it when you look at the definition -

“Number of deaths of people who had had a positive test result for COVID-19 and died within 28 days of the first positive test. The actual cause of death may not be COVID-19 in all cases.”

So these figures are clearly not reliable and it is likely that many of the deaths are not COVID-related.

I'm glad we have an actual doctor on the forum to give us their considered medical opinion.

I’m not sure why the smartarse comment is necessary. I’m just giving my opinion like everyone else. I do apologise if mine’s not worthy...

You were stating that it's likely many of the deaths are not Covid related, I just assumed that you had medical knowledge with which to back that up.

Covid is only legally allowed to be on someone's death certificate if it is either the primary, or a contributory, cause of death. Someone with a pre-existing condition may have had it exacerbated by contracting Covid and died from it, they did not die from Covid but also without Covid they may have lived many more years.

I do not wish to sound offensive but I do take offence at the callousness with which people treat the deaths of 40,000 people."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think we have gone well beyond the tipping point for the economy of the UK to be in long term crisis. We are storing up huge problems for generations to come and I don’t believe that all of the ongoing restrictions or lockdowns are now proportionate or sustainable.

We have 42001 ‘COVID’ deaths now but how many of these are actually directly attributable to it when you look at the definition -

“Number of deaths of people who had had a positive test result for COVID-19 and died within 28 days of the first positive test. The actual cause of death may not be COVID-19 in all cases.”

So these figures are clearly not reliable and it is likely that many of the deaths are not COVID-related.

I'm glad we have an actual doctor on the forum to give us their considered medical opinion.

I’m not sure why the smartarse comment is necessary. I’m just giving my opinion like everyone else. I do apologise if mine’s not worthy...

You were stating that it's likely many of the deaths are not Covid related, I just assumed that you had medical knowledge with which to back that up.

Covid is only legally allowed to be on someone's death certificate if it is either the primary, or a contributory, cause of death. Someone with a pre-existing condition may have had it exacerbated by contracting Covid and died from it, they did not die from Covid but also without Covid they may have lived many more years.

I do not wish to sound offensive but I do take offence at the callousness with which people treat the deaths of 40,000 people."

Couldn't agree more.

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?

My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive.

While youre couped up though youve not got a life, apart from the one youre allowing yourself to believe you need to live

You dont know my situation, my life is mine to live as i choose.

Quite right

Thats quite right, but, then on the other hand ive got no choice on how i go about living mine but a lot call me an arsehole for wanting that choice

And what is your choice?

Im more than happy to meet in groups of like minded people for mutual enjoyment. Wether that be it sexual, drinking, socialising at home, going on motorbike group rides or more. Even if i was still a football fan, attending games with others who also wish to not be forced not to. If people want to self isolate for whatever reason, thats their choice. But for us who wish to carry on, our choice has been removed. I know i will get called a selfish twat but hey ho"

Totally agree, and I could not care less what strangers on here think , they dont know me and dont actually even know what we are upto anyway.....lots may assume or judge, but they do that on here no matter what, even before this......each tomtheir own...no need go be nasty or abusive to people who may look at things differently

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think we have gone well beyond the tipping point for the economy of the UK to be in long term crisis. We are storing up huge problems for generations to come and I don’t believe that all of the ongoing restrictions or lockdowns are now proportionate or sustainable.

We have 42001 ‘COVID’ deaths now but how many of these are actually directly attributable to it when you look at the definition -

“Number of deaths of people who had had a positive test result for COVID-19 and died within 28 days of the first positive test. The actual cause of death may not be COVID-19 in all cases.”

So these figures are clearly not reliable and it is likely that many of the deaths are not COVID-related.

I'm glad we have an actual doctor on the forum to give us their considered medical opinion.

I’m not sure why the smartarse comment is necessary. I’m just giving my opinion like everyone else. I do apologise if mine’s not worthy...

You were stating that it's likely many of the deaths are not Covid related, I just assumed that you had medical knowledge with which to back that up.

Covid is only legally allowed to be on someone's death certificate if it is either the primary, or a contributory, cause of death. Someone with a pre-existing condition may have had it exacerbated by contracting Covid and died from it, they did not die from Covid but also without Covid they may have lived many more years.

I do not wish to sound offensive but I do take offence at the callousness with which people treat the deaths of 40,000 people."

Not callous in the slightest, any death is a tragedy. I’m merely pointing out that the figure of 42001 deaths is unreliable and there could be a significant number that actually have nothing to do with COVID.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"Yep we need to hear from both sides and then decide the best plan of action but Boris has surrounded himself with doom and gloom merchants and all what happening now is working into there hands with the old blaming the youth and vice versa. Its really sad that we are like this now."

We should hear from experts, not a phony balance, of the experts on 1 side and extreme opposites who want all restrictions axed. Just let the appropriate experts outline their perspective in the relevant forum.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?

My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive.

Do you have a year to waste ?

It's not a wasted year it's just a limited year and I'd rather have a limited year than no more years.

I am sorry for you if you are one of the vulnerable then. I am in the frame too because of my age and gender

But I couldn't bear the thought of locking myself down for a year or more.

I dont have too many years to waste.

As for the NHS it coped admirably in the first wave and the nightingale hospitals were not needed.

The nightingales are still there and we have a few therapies now to alleviate some of he worst cases

Unless you know something the experts dont then there is no reason suggest this one will be any worse than the first wave.

Nobody has said that as far as I know."

You speak of the nightingales as if they are fully working hospitals the London one as lots of beds but about 20 staff so if they are needed where are we going to find the cleaners, HCA, Porters Nurces, Doctors and Cosoltants oh sorry you take them from the hospital's

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest


"The initial lockdown was justifiable as there was a lot of speculation and little actual data on the virus itself, it's ease (or not) of transmission, and lethality.

Months later we have much more information to avoid repeated "knee jerk" reactions that our leaders insist on repeating

The CDC has just admitted that the lethality rate for those under 50 is extremely low, and even lower for those 20 and below. It also reported how dangerous it can be for the elderly who are usually the most vulnerable.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html

We now know that hydroxichloriquine, zinc, azythromycin, some steroids and oxygen therapy (opposed to ventilators) are effective in treating the disease in people who don't cope well on their own, which has also reduced the CFR (case fatality rate). Higher vitamin D levels lower the intensity of viral symptoms. We also now know that the PCR tests generate a huge number of false positives and that a positive test doesn't tell us anything beyond the presence of some viral particles. It says nothing of viral load or if the person is actually sick.

We have all the information we need to resume life as normal while still shielding the most vulnerable and treating them if infected.

This sounds sensible. The virus is never going away. Herd immunity needs to be established. Otherwise - it's lockdown again and again and again and again - with all the problems and obstacles it brings. It's causing huge problems that aren't even being addressed as it is.

I'll ask you the same question, how do you propose to protect the vulnerable but still allow them to get on with their normal lives?"

There are no perfect solutions. The vulnerable were vulnerable to viruses such as the flu before and many would still die each year during flu season. Protection could perhaps include prophylactic measures, such the prescription of Vitamin D (most ppl in the UK are deficient already) and particularly zinc as studies have shown that it inhibits RNA replication of coronaviruses. Better control of co morbidities if possible (obesity, HBP, diabetes) which have consistently shown much higher rates of fatality would also be useful.

What I do know is that never before have you isolated the healthy and non symptomatic. It flies in the face of everything done before and is having devastating collateral impact on society as a whole.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?

My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive.

While youre couped up though youve not got a life, apart from the one youre allowing yourself to believe you need to live

You dont know my situation, my life is mine to live as i choose.

Quite right

Thats quite right, but, then on the other hand ive got no choice on how i go about living mine but a lot call me an arsehole for wanting that choice

And what is your choice?

Im more than happy to meet in groups of like minded people for mutual enjoyment. Wether that be it sexual, drinking, socialising at home, going on motorbike group rides or more. Even if i was still a football fan, attending games with others who also wish to not be forced not to. If people want to self isolate for whatever reason, thats their choice. But for us who wish to carry on, our choice has been removed. I know i will get called a selfish twat but hey ho

Totally agree, and I could not care less what strangers on here think , they dont know me and dont actually even know what we are upto anyway.....lots may assume or judge, but they do that on here no matter what, even before this......each tomtheir own...no need go be nasty or abusive to people who may look at things differently "

People should do what they think is right for them, as long as they're not putting others at risk

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?

My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive.

While youre couped up though youve not got a life, apart from the one youre allowing yourself to believe you need to live

You dont know my situation, my life is mine to live as i choose.

Quite right

Thats quite right, but, then on the other hand ive got no choice on how i go about living mine but a lot call me an arsehole for wanting that choice

And what is your choice?

Im more than happy to meet in groups of like minded people for mutual enjoyment. Wether that be it sexual, drinking, socialising at home, going on motorbike group rides or more. Even if i was still a football fan, attending games with others who also wish to not be forced not to. If people want to self isolate for whatever reason, thats their choice. But for us who wish to carry on, our choice has been removed. I know i will get called a selfish twat but hey ho

Totally agree, and I could not care less what strangers on here think , they dont know me and dont actually even know what we are upto anyway.....lots may assume or judge, but they do that on here no matter what, even before this......each tomtheir own...no need go be nasty or abusive to people who may look at things differently

People should do what they think is right for them, as long as they're not putting others at risk "

And sticking to the law.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?

My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive.

While youre couped up though youve not got a life, apart from the one youre allowing yourself to believe you need to live

You dont know my situation, my life is mine to live as i choose.

Quite right

Thats quite right, but, then on the other hand ive got no choice on how i go about living mine but a lot call me an arsehole for wanting that choice

And what is your choice?

Im more than happy to meet in groups of like minded people for mutual enjoyment. Wether that be it sexual, drinking, socialising at home, going on motorbike group rides or more. Even if i was still a football fan, attending games with others who also wish to not be forced not to. If people want to self isolate for whatever reason, thats their choice. But for us who wish to carry on, our choice has been removed. I know i will get called a selfish twat but hey ho

Totally agree, and I could not care less what strangers on here think , they dont know me and dont actually even know what we are upto anyway.....lots may assume or judge, but they do that on here no matter what, even before this......each tomtheir own...no need go be nasty or abusive to people who may look at things differently

People should do what they think is right for them, as long as they're not putting others at risk

And sticking to the law."

Of course Lorna x

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?

My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive.

While youre couped up though youve not got a life, apart from the one youre allowing yourself to believe you need to live

You dont know my situation, my life is mine to live as i choose.

Quite right

Thats quite right, but, then on the other hand ive got no choice on how i go about living mine but a lot call me an arsehole for wanting that choice

And what is your choice?

Im more than happy to meet in groups of like minded people for mutual enjoyment. Wether that be it sexual, drinking, socialising at home, going on motorbike group rides or more. Even if i was still a football fan, attending games with others who also wish to not be forced not to. If people want to self isolate for whatever reason, thats their choice. But for us who wish to carry on, our choice has been removed. I know i will get called a selfish twat but hey ho

Totally agree, and I could not care less what strangers on here think , they dont know me and dont actually even know what we are upto anyway.....lots may assume or judge, but they do that on here no matter what, even before this......each tomtheir own...no need go be nasty or abusive to people who may look at things differently

People should do what they think is right for them, as long as they're not putting others at risk "

And it's the thinking of others

Others think about it

Like drink driving we don't care if you kill you but think of you family and the family of some one else that is killed/murder But you actions ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Be smart !

Be safe !

Stay alive !

There's been over 204,000 US deaths, so far !

Many virus survivors will suffer lifetime effects !

I'm quite sure there will be many many more deaths and suffering before they get control of this pandemic !

The serious lack of leadership in most countries is the direct cause of this catastrophe !

It's incredible just how many people think that this is all down to a mismanagement or a lack of political will.

It's a virus. It's endemic now. It's not going away. It will mutate and return in different forms.

We have to establish immunity.

Or else, we can stay locked down for the future and hide behind the couch forever in masks/faceshields/Hamzat suits, living in fear until a vaccine comes along.

Which may not even work.

So I'm guessing you don't properly understand how virus' mutate. Every single infection, every single replication allows changes to creep in. If you give it literally billions of more chances to mutate, can you guarantee that there won't be one that has something like an ebola level of lethality? "

This virus is never going away. It's going to be just like the flu. The more we develop immunity, the less chance it has to infect people.

Coronaviruses apparently don't mutate successfully enough to increase threat - that's none good thing about them.

So it's not, and never will be anything like ebola.

Enough of the fear-mongering. We have to start living with this and not living behind the couch.

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?

My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive.

While youre couped up though youve not got a life, apart from the one youre allowing yourself to believe you need to live

You dont know my situation, my life is mine to live as i choose.

Quite right

Thats quite right, but, then on the other hand ive got no choice on how i go about living mine but a lot call me an arsehole for wanting that choice

And what is your choice?

Im more than happy to meet in groups of like minded people for mutual enjoyment. Wether that be it sexual, drinking, socialising at home, going on motorbike group rides or more. Even if i was still a football fan, attending games with others who also wish to not be forced not to. If people want to self isolate for whatever reason, thats their choice. But for us who wish to carry on, our choice has been removed. I know i will get called a selfish twat but hey ho

Totally agree, and I could not care less what strangers on here think , they dont know me and dont actually even know what we are upto anyway.....lots may assume or judge, but they do that on here no matter what, even before this......each tomtheir own...no need go be nasty or abusive to people who may look at things differently

People should do what they think is right for them, as long as they're not putting others at risk "

Life is a risk for everybody.......I'm happy with the ones I have and are making

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?

My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive.

While youre couped up though youve not got a life, apart from the one youre allowing yourself to believe you need to live

You dont know my situation, my life is mine to live as i choose.

Quite right

Thats quite right, but, then on the other hand ive got no choice on how i go about living mine but a lot call me an arsehole for wanting that choice

And what is your choice?

Im more than happy to meet in groups of like minded people for mutual enjoyment. Wether that be it sexual, drinking, socialising at home, going on motorbike group rides or more. Even if i was still a football fan, attending games with others who also wish to not be forced not to. If people want to self isolate for whatever reason, thats their choice. But for us who wish to carry on, our choice has been removed. I know i will get called a selfish twat but hey ho

Totally agree, and I could not care less what strangers on here think , they dont know me and dont actually even know what we are upto anyway.....lots may assume or judge, but they do that on here no matter what, even before this......each tomtheir own...no need go be nasty or abusive to people who may look at things differently

People should do what they think is right for them, as long as they're not putting others at risk

Life is a risk for everybody.......I'm happy with the ones I have and are making "

And I think that is fine, as long as you aren't putting others at risk

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings


"Be smart !

Be safe !

Stay alive !

There's been over 204,000 US deaths, so far !

Many virus survivors will suffer lifetime effects !

I'm quite sure there will be many many more deaths and suffering before they get control of this pandemic !

The serious lack of leadership in most countries is the direct cause of this catastrophe !

It's incredible just how many people think that this is all down to a mismanagement or a lack of political will.

It's a virus. It's endemic now. It's not going away. It will mutate and return in different forms.

We have to establish immunity.

Or else, we can stay locked down for the future and hide behind the couch forever in masks/faceshields/Hamzat suits, living in fear until a vaccine comes along.

Which may not even work.

So I'm guessing you don't properly understand how virus' mutate. Every single infection, every single replication allows changes to creep in. If you give it literally billions of more chances to mutate, can you guarantee that there won't be one that has something like an ebola level of lethality?

This virus is never going away. It's going to be just like the flu. The more we develop immunity, the less chance it has to infect people.

Coronaviruses apparently don't mutate successfully enough to increase threat - that's none good thing about them.

So it's not, and never will be anything like ebola.

Enough of the fear-mongering. We have to start living with this and not living behind the couch.

"

Am still living but with resuscitations

I want to know from some one with the start living view what they want.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The initial lockdown was justifiable as there was a lot of speculation and little actual data on the virus itself, it's ease (or not) of transmission, and lethality.

Months later we have much more information to avoid repeated "knee jerk" reactions that our leaders insist on repeating

The CDC has just admitted that the lethality rate for those under 50 is extremely low, and even lower for those 20 and below. It also reported how dangerous it can be for the elderly who are usually the most vulnerable.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html

We now know that hydroxichloriquine, zinc, azythromycin, some steroids and oxygen therapy (opposed to ventilators) are effective in treating the disease in people who don't cope well on their own, which has also reduced the CFR (case fatality rate). Higher vitamin D levels lower the intensity of viral symptoms. We also now know that the PCR tests generate a huge number of false positives and that a positive test doesn't tell us anything beyond the presence of some viral particles. It says nothing of viral load or if the person is actually sick.

We have all the information we need to resume life as normal while still shielding the most vulnerable and treating them if infected.

This sounds sensible. The virus is never going away. Herd immunity needs to be established. Otherwise - it's lockdown again and again and again and again - with all the problems and obstacles it brings. It's causing huge problems that aren't even being addressed as it is.

I'll ask you the same question, how do you propose to protect the vulnerable but still allow them to get on with their normal lives?

There are no perfect solutions. The vulnerable were vulnerable to viruses such as the flu before and many would still die each year during flu season. Protection could perhaps include prophylactic measures, such the prescription of Vitamin D (most ppl in the UK are deficient already) and particularly zinc as studies have shown that it inhibits RNA replication of coronaviruses. Better control of co morbidities if possible (obesity, HBP, diabetes) which have consistently shown much higher rates of fatality would also be useful.

What I do know is that never before have you isolated the healthy and non symptomatic. It flies in the face of everything done before and is having devastating collateral impact on society as a whole."

That's not really protecting the vulnerable though is it? Prescribing zinc and vitamin D will make a tiny bit of difference but not protection as such.

If one were cynical one might say that it does enough to assuage some guilt, enough that we can get on with doing what we want and think to ourselves "well we gave them vitamin and mineral supplements, what more could anyone have done?"

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?

My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive.

While youre couped up though youve not got a life, apart from the one youre allowing yourself to believe you need to live

You dont know my situation, my life is mine to live as i choose.

Quite right

Thats quite right, but, then on the other hand ive got no choice on how i go about living mine but a lot call me an arsehole for wanting that choice

And what is your choice?

Im more than happy to meet in groups of like minded people for mutual enjoyment. Wether that be it sexual, drinking, socialising at home, going on motorbike group rides or more. Even if i was still a football fan, attending games with others who also wish to not be forced not to. If people want to self isolate for whatever reason, thats their choice. But for us who wish to carry on, our choice has been removed. I know i will get called a selfish twat but hey ho

Totally agree, and I could not care less what strangers on here think , they dont know me and dont actually even know what we are upto anyway.....lots may assume or judge, but they do that on here no matter what, even before this......each tomtheir own...no need go be nasty or abusive to people who may look at things differently

People should do what they think is right for them, as long as they're not putting others at risk

Life is a risk for everybody.......I'm happy with the ones I have and are making

And I think that is fine, as long as you aren't putting others at risk "

Quite a few on here not wearing masks and claiming they are exempt , but say they dont want to wear or display something and are using it as an excuse and putting OTHERS at risk......I think everybody should wear one....no excuses....but guess we all make our own choices who we then put at risk in a way.....if they cant wear one....dont go out......but like what has been said we all live with the risks we are prepared to take.....people not waring masks are prepared to take the risk....I'm prepared to take some too

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest


"The initial lockdown was justifiable as there was a lot of speculation and little actual data on the virus itself, it's ease (or not) of transmission, and lethality.

Months later we have much more information to avoid repeated "knee jerk" reactions that our leaders insist on repeating

The CDC has just admitted that the lethality rate for those under 50 is extremely low, and even lower for those 20 and below. It also reported how dangerous it can be for the elderly who are usually the most vulnerable.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html

We now know that hydroxichloriquine, zinc, azythromycin, some steroids and oxygen therapy (opposed to ventilators) are effective in treating the disease in people who don't cope well on their own, which has also reduced the CFR (case fatality rate). Higher vitamin D levels lower the intensity of viral symptoms. We also now know that the PCR tests generate a huge number of false positives and that a positive test doesn't tell us anything beyond the presence of some viral particles. It says nothing of viral load or if the person is actually sick.

We have all the information we need to resume life as normal while still shielding the most vulnerable and treating them if infected.

This sounds sensible. The virus is never going away. Herd immunity needs to be established. Otherwise - it's lockdown again and again and again and again - with all the problems and obstacles it brings. It's causing huge problems that aren't even being addressed as it is.

I'll ask you the same question, how do you propose to protect the vulnerable but still allow them to get on with their normal lives?

There are no perfect solutions. The vulnerable were vulnerable to viruses such as the flu before and many would still die each year during flu season. Protection could perhaps include prophylactic measures, such the prescription of Vitamin D (most ppl in the UK are deficient already) and particularly zinc as studies have shown that it inhibits RNA replication of coronaviruses. Better control of co morbidities if possible (obesity, HBP, diabetes) which have consistently shown much higher rates of fatality would also be useful.

What I do know is that never before have you isolated the healthy and non symptomatic. It flies in the face of everything done before and is having devastating collateral impact on society as a whole.

That's not really protecting the vulnerable though is it? Prescribing zinc and vitamin D will make a tiny bit of difference but not protection as such.

If one were cynical one might say that it does enough to assuage some guilt, enough that we can get on with doing what we want and think to ourselves "well we gave them vitamin and mineral supplements, what more could anyone have done?""

Thousands of vulnerable people were sadly dying before anyway during flu season and yet we weren't having this debate. You cannot protect everyone from potential harm. What of the thousands of additional deaths from suicide, economic depravation, and undiagnosed disease because all the NHS sees is covid, covid, covid?

One has to be pragmatic and factor all this into the equation. Open up society again as we know a lot more now and redouble efforts with the above described measures for the most vulnerable.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings


"The initial lockdown was justifiable as there was a lot of speculation and little actual data on the virus itself, it's ease (or not) of transmission, and lethality.

Months later we have much more information to avoid repeated "knee jerk" reactions that our leaders insist on repeating

The CDC has just admitted that the lethality rate for those under 50 is extremely low, and even lower for those 20 and below. It also reported how dangerous it can be for the elderly who are usually the most vulnerable.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html

We now know that hydroxichloriquine, zinc, azythromycin, some steroids and oxygen therapy (opposed to ventilators) are effective in treating the disease in people who don't cope well on their own, which has also reduced the CFR (case fatality rate). Higher vitamin D levels lower the intensity of viral symptoms. We also now know that the PCR tests generate a huge number of false positives and that a positive test doesn't tell us anything beyond the presence of some viral particles. It says nothing of viral load or if the person is actually sick.

We have all the information we need to resume life as normal while still shielding the most vulnerable and treating them if infected.

This sounds sensible. The virus is never going away. Herd immunity needs to be established. Otherwise - it's lockdown again and again and again and again - with all the problems and obstacles it brings. It's causing huge problems that aren't even being addressed as it is.

I'll ask you the same question, how do you propose to protect the vulnerable but still allow them to get on with their normal lives?

There are no perfect solutions. The vulnerable were vulnerable to viruses such as the flu before and many would still die each year during flu season. Protection could perhaps include prophylactic measures, such the prescription of Vitamin D (most ppl in the UK are deficient already) and particularly zinc as studies have shown that it inhibits RNA replication of coronaviruses. Better control of co morbidities if possible (obesity, HBP, diabetes) which have consistently shown much higher rates of fatality would also be useful.

What I do know is that never before have you isolated the healthy and non symptomatic. It flies in the face of everything done before and is having devastating collateral impact on society as a whole.

That's not really protecting the vulnerable though is it? Prescribing zinc and vitamin D will make a tiny bit of difference but not protection as such.

If one were cynical one might say that it does enough to assuage some guilt, enough that we can get on with doing what we want and think to ourselves "well we gave them vitamin and mineral supplements, what more could anyone have done?"

Thousands of vulnerable people were sadly dying before anyway during flu season and yet we weren't having this debate. You cannot protect everyone from potential harm. What of the thousands of additional deaths from suicide, economic depravation, and undiagnosed disease because all the NHS sees is covid, covid, covid?

One has to be pragmatic and factor all this into the equation. Open up society again as we know a lot more now and redouble efforts with the above described measures for the most vulnerable."

I'm now repeating my self _hillout so what is it you want when you say open up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The initial lockdown was justifiable as there was a lot of speculation and little actual data on the virus itself, it's ease (or not) of transmission, and lethality.

Months later we have much more information to avoid repeated "knee jerk" reactions that our leaders insist on repeating

The CDC has just admitted that the lethality rate for those under 50 is extremely low, and even lower for those 20 and below. It also reported how dangerous it can be for the elderly who are usually the most vulnerable.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html

We now know that hydroxichloriquine, zinc, azythromycin, some steroids and oxygen therapy (opposed to ventilators) are effective in treating the disease in people who don't cope well on their own, which has also reduced the CFR (case fatality rate). Higher vitamin D levels lower the intensity of viral symptoms. We also now know that the PCR tests generate a huge number of false positives and that a positive test doesn't tell us anything beyond the presence of some viral particles. It says nothing of viral load or if the person is actually sick.

We have all the information we need to resume life as normal while still shielding the most vulnerable and treating them if infected.

This sounds sensible. The virus is never going away. Herd immunity needs to be established. Otherwise - it's lockdown again and again and again and again - with all the problems and obstacles it brings. It's causing huge problems that aren't even being addressed as it is.

I'll ask you the same question, how do you propose to protect the vulnerable but still allow them to get on with their normal lives?

There are no perfect solutions. The vulnerable were vulnerable to viruses such as the flu before and many would still die each year during flu season. Protection could perhaps include prophylactic measures, such the prescription of Vitamin D (most ppl in the UK are deficient already) and particularly zinc as studies have shown that it inhibits RNA replication of coronaviruses. Better control of co morbidities if possible (obesity, HBP, diabetes) which have consistently shown much higher rates of fatality would also be useful.

What I do know is that never before have you isolated the healthy and non symptomatic. It flies in the face of everything done before and is having devastating collateral impact on society as a whole.

That's not really protecting the vulnerable though is it? Prescribing zinc and vitamin D will make a tiny bit of difference but not protection as such.

If one were cynical one might say that it does enough to assuage some guilt, enough that we can get on with doing what we want and think to ourselves "well we gave them vitamin and mineral supplements, what more could anyone have done?"

Thousands of vulnerable people were sadly dying before anyway during flu season and yet we weren't having this debate. You cannot protect everyone from potential harm. What of the thousands of additional deaths from suicide, economic depravation, and undiagnosed disease because all the NHS sees is covid, covid, covid?

One has to be pragmatic and factor all this into the equation. Open up society again as we know a lot more now and redouble efforts with the above described measures for the most vulnerable."

The NHS isn’t just seeing Covid, it’s seeing people for everything it has always seen people for, it’s only if we allow the numbers to rise again that it will only be able to see people for Covid, again.

Also, we protect the vulnerable during flu season by giving them a free flu vaccine, it protects against what experts believe will be the most common strains of flu.

I’ll be honest, I’d prefer it if people just said “fuck the old and the disabled and the chronically ill. I want to go to the pub and fuck strangers off the internet and if people have to die so I can do that then so be it.” There’s more integrity in that than in pretending to give a shit about people who commit suicide.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings


"The initial lockdown was justifiable as there was a lot of speculation and little actual data on the virus itself, it's ease (or not) of transmission, and lethality.

Months later we have much more information to avoid repeated "knee jerk" reactions that our leaders insist on repeating

The CDC has just admitted that the lethality rate for those under 50 is extremely low, and even lower for those 20 and below. It also reported how dangerous it can be for the elderly who are usually the most vulnerable.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html

We now know that hydroxichloriquine, zinc, azythromycin, some steroids and oxygen therapy (opposed to ventilators) are effective in treating the disease in people who don't cope well on their own, which has also reduced the CFR (case fatality rate). Higher vitamin D levels lower the intensity of viral symptoms. We also now know that the PCR tests generate a huge number of false positives and that a positive test doesn't tell us anything beyond the presence of some viral particles. It says nothing of viral load or if the person is actually sick.

We have all the information we need to resume life as normal while still shielding the most vulnerable and treating them if infected.

This sounds sensible. The virus is never going away. Herd immunity needs to be established. Otherwise - it's lockdown again and again and again and again - with all the problems and obstacles it brings. It's causing huge problems that aren't even being addressed as it is.

I'll ask you the same question, how do you propose to protect the vulnerable but still allow them to get on with their normal lives?

There are no perfect solutions. The vulnerable were vulnerable to viruses such as the flu before and many would still die each year during flu season. Protection could perhaps include prophylactic measures, such the prescription of Vitamin D (most ppl in the UK are deficient already) and particularly zinc as studies have shown that it inhibits RNA replication of coronaviruses. Better control of co morbidities if possible (obesity, HBP, diabetes) which have consistently shown much higher rates of fatality would also be useful.

What I do know is that never before have you isolated the healthy and non symptomatic. It flies in the face of everything done before and is having devastating collateral impact on society as a whole.

That's not really protecting the vulnerable though is it? Prescribing zinc and vitamin D will make a tiny bit of difference but not protection as such.

If one were cynical one might say that it does enough to assuage some guilt, enough that we can get on with doing what we want and think to ourselves "well we gave them vitamin and mineral supplements, what more could anyone have done?"

Thousands of vulnerable people were sadly dying before anyway during flu season and yet we weren't having this debate. You cannot protect everyone from potential harm. What of the thousands of additional deaths from suicide, economic depravation, and undiagnosed disease because all the NHS sees is covid, covid, covid?

One has to be pragmatic and factor all this into the equation. Open up society again as we know a lot more now and redouble efforts with the above described measures for the most vulnerable.

The NHS isn’t just seeing Covid, it’s seeing people for everything it has always seen people for, it’s only if we allow the numbers to rise again that it will only be able to see people for Covid, again.

Also, we protect the vulnerable during flu season by giving them a free flu vaccine, it protects against what experts believe will be the most common strains of flu.

I’ll be honest, I’d prefer it if people just said “fuck the old and the disabled and the chronically ill. I want to go to the pub and fuck strangers off the internet and if people have to die so I can do that then so be it.” There’s more integrity in that than in pretending to give a shit about people who commit suicide."

Now your sounding like the wife she works in the NHS as well say what you think ......

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

It would be nice to be able to do that . The problem is people are stopping it from happening .. very much a ' give an inch take a mile' way of thinking . Just look at the idiots of York , Manchester and Liverpool over the weekend ! get permission to have a civilised beer and then decide to turn it into Ibiza frenzy at closing time.. they could quite possibly have done for the pub trade with those actions !

I would love some normality .. but the reality is I dont feel I can trust mankind to be sensible with what freedoms they are given .. until we get much more people acting and being seen to act sensibly and respect each other enough not to break the rules all the time I wont be looking for any return to ' normal' anytime soon .. which is sad because if only people were a bit more responsibly behaved and we might all be able to enjoy at least some decent quality of life .. as it is now it does seem that the under 40s are in the process of buggering it up for everyone unfortunately just because they seem to feel entitled to a good night out :/

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?"

It's the ONLY

In this statement that sums up the selfish attitude of people.

It was Only a care worker who died,it was only a nurse,it was only a doctor,it was only my mum or my wife or my husband......

It was only me who died!!

Is wearing a mask and washing your hands that much of an inconvenience?

You do realise that this isn't something that will just go away if we carry on as normal don't you?

Ok let me change the demographic.

What would your opinion be if it ONLY killed newborn children and the under 5s with certain health conditions, would this still be acceptable for you?

Or is that ok as long as you are ok?

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?

It's the ONLY

In this statement that sums up the selfish attitude of people.

It was Only a care worker who died,it was only a nurse,it was only a doctor,it was only my mum or my wife or my husband......

It was only me who died!!

Is wearing a mask and washing your hands that much of an inconvenience?

You do realise that this isn't something that will just go away if we carry on as normal don't you?

Ok let me change the demographic.

What would your opinion be if it ONLY killed newborn children and the under 5s with certain health conditions, would this still be acceptable for you?

Or is that ok as long as you are ok?"

If it was just new born at least the covid would run out of human's

If it was just pregnant ladies it might speed up that process

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By *iker boy 69Man
over a year ago

midlands


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?

My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive.

While youre couped up though youve not got a life, apart from the one youre allowing yourself to believe you need to live

You dont know my situation, my life is mine to live as i choose.

Quite right

Thats quite right, but, then on the other hand ive got no choice on how i go about living mine but a lot call me an arsehole for wanting that choice

And what is your choice?

Im more than happy to meet in groups of like minded people for mutual enjoyment. Wether that be it sexual, drinking, socialising at home, going on motorbike group rides or more. Even if i was still a football fan, attending games with others who also wish to not be forced not to. If people want to self isolate for whatever reason, thats their choice. But for us who wish to carry on, our choice has been removed. I know i will get called a selfish twat but hey ho

Can you not still do some of those things, can you go for a drink with your mates? I wouldn't call you a selfish twat."

Yes, in groups of 6 in the pub. So family and friends drinks are still not allowed,

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By *itty9899Man
over a year ago

Craggy Island


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?

It's the ONLY

In this statement that sums up the selfish attitude of people.

It was Only a care worker who died,it was only a nurse,it was only a doctor,it was only my mum or my wife or my husband......

It was only me who died!!

Is wearing a mask and washing your hands that much of an inconvenience?

You do realise that this isn't something that will just go away if we carry on as normal don't you?

Ok let me change the demographic.

What would your opinion be if it ONLY killed newborn children and the under 5s with certain health conditions, would this still be acceptable for you?

Or is that ok as long as you are ok?"

Well at least that 5yr old won't be around to see a economy in the toilet and his generation being hit with high tax rises to pay back the billions wasted on furlough, and trace and track system that piss poor and being socially distance from his friends family and a society rife with mental illness because of losing skills in social contact.

But if loneness is the new normal.

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By *eliciousladyWoman
over a year ago

Sometimes U.K


"We have to find a better way of doing things than pinning all hope on a vaccine or being threatened with removal of liberty whenever the infection rate looks like creeping up"

And what would your suggestion be?

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By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland


"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment

You realise over 40,000 people have died?

Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population

More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped."

There are lots of virus and lots of forms of cancer. Why are you comparing one virus with all cancer types??

Why not compare covid to lung cancer? the cancer that causes the most deaths in the UK. A cancer that, in most cases, could have been prevented by avoiding smoking. That's 35,000 vs 44,000.

It's possible that about 40m people are needed for herd immunity. With a mortality rate near 0.4%, 160,000 people will likely die to achieve that which is pretty much the same number who die of all cancers every year. Unfortunately, for the majority of those who die from cancer nothing more could have been done to prevent their deaths. With covid, we're in a position where we CAN minimse further deaths if stupid people stopped banging on about fake viruses, fake news etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"so you dismiss the cancelled appointments? How many other illness are not being treated ? Personally we think this a very dangerous time to get ill with anything "

For reference those cancer appointments cancelled where/are due to an increased risk to the person in question. It’s a clinical choice with Covid being prevalent. The majority of cancer treatments have in fact been maintained as with all urgent interventions.

And yes it is a horrifically dangerous time to be ill with anything, as people keep pointing out (as a way to belittle covids impact) most underlying conditions plus covid can be fatal.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"so you dismiss the cancelled appointments? How many other illness are not being treated ? Personally we think this a very dangerous time to get ill with anything

For reference those cancer appointments cancelled where/are due to an increased risk to the person in question. It’s a clinical choice with Covid being prevalent. The majority of cancer treatments have in fact been maintained as with all urgent interventions.

And yes it is a horrifically dangerous time to be ill with anything, as people keep pointing out (as a way to belittle covids impact) most underlying conditions plus covid can be fatal."

Hopefully that will put an end to the nonsense spouted but I doubt it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hopefully that will put an end to the nonsense spouted but I doubt it."

I doubt it too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The first post in this thread is absolutely what needs to happen. There’s been way too much damage done already which will already take years to recover from.

Something like this is natural selection at its finest. A completely normal thing to happen to every species across the planet. Yet we’re running from it.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings


"The first post in this thread is absolutely what needs to happen. There’s been way too much damage done already which will already take years to recover from.

Something like this is natural selection at its finest. A completely normal thing to happen to every species across the planet. Yet we’re running from it."

I like to think of it more like I'm trying to miss it. Not raining from it.

So my same question to you lockdownlover what is it you want back to the same as 1st of March..

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?

My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive.

While youre couped up though youve not got a life, apart from the one youre allowing yourself to believe you need to live

You dont know my situation, my life is mine to live as i choose.

Quite right

Thats quite right, but, then on the other hand ive got no choice on how i go about living mine but a lot call me an arsehole for wanting that choice

And what is your choice?

Im more than happy to meet in groups of like minded people for mutual enjoyment. Wether that be it sexual, drinking, socialising at home, going on motorbike group rides or more. Even if i was still a football fan, attending games with others who also wish to not be forced not to. If people want to self isolate for whatever reason, thats their choice. But for us who wish to carry on, our choice has been removed. I know i will get called a selfish twat but hey ho

Totally agree, and I could not care less what strangers on here think , they dont know me and dont actually even know what we are upto anyway.....lots may assume or judge, but they do that on here no matter what, even before this......each tomtheir own...no need go be nasty or abusive to people who may look at things differently

People should do what they think is right for them, as long as they're not putting others at risk

Life is a risk for everybody.......I'm happy with the ones I have and are making

And I think that is fine, as long as you aren't putting others at risk

Quite a few on here not wearing masks and claiming they are exempt , but say they dont want to wear or display something and are using it as an excuse and putting OTHERS at risk......I think everybody should wear one....no excuses....but guess we all make our own choices who we then put at risk in a way.....if they cant wear one....dont go out......but like what has been said we all live with the risks we are prepared to take.....people not waring masks are prepared to take the risk....I'm prepared to take some too "

That's your prerogative

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford


"The first post in this thread is absolutely what needs to happen. There’s been way too much damage done already which will already take years to recover from.

Something like this is natural selection at its finest. A completely normal thing to happen to every species across the planet. Yet we’re running from it."

If natural selection had been left to do its job would you have survived this far in life? Chances are you would not even have survived to see your first birthday!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"so you dismiss the cancelled appointments? How many other illness are not being treated ? Personally we think this a very dangerous time to get ill with anything

For reference those cancer appointments cancelled where/are due to an increased risk to the person in question. It’s a clinical choice with Covid being prevalent. The majority of cancer treatments have in fact been maintained as with all urgent interventions.

And yes it is a horrifically dangerous time to be ill with anything, as people keep pointing out (as a way to belittle covids impact) most underlying conditions plus covid can be fatal.

Hopefully that will put an end to the nonsense spouted but I doubt it."

It should but it won't.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?

My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive.

While youre couped up though youve not got a life, apart from the one youre allowing yourself to believe you need to live

You dont know my situation, my life is mine to live as i choose.

Quite right

Thats quite right, but, then on the other hand ive got no choice on how i go about living mine but a lot call me an arsehole for wanting that choice

And what is your choice?

Im more than happy to meet in groups of like minded people for mutual enjoyment. Wether that be it sexual, drinking, socialising at home, going on motorbike group rides or more. Even if i was still a football fan, attending games with others who also wish to not be forced not to. If people want to self isolate for whatever reason, thats their choice. But for us who wish to carry on, our choice has been removed. I know i will get called a selfish twat but hey ho

Can you not still do some of those things, can you go for a drink with your mates? I wouldn't call you a selfish twat.

Yes, in groups of 6 in the pub. So family and friends drinks are still not allowed, "

Shite isn't it, I can't visit my grandchildren all at one time as we have 2 families of 6, but that's the way it is unfortunately

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings


"Hopefully that will put an end to the nonsense spouted but I doubt it.

I doubt it too"

I went to Called GP about a lump was seen at hospital in 8 days was booked for a scan the next week.so from what I have been through the NHS is still quick when it can or has to be.

And A&E was quiet makes a change

So from me thanks to all NHS staff.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford


"Hopefully that will put an end to the nonsense spouted but I doubt it.

I doubt it too

I went to Called GP about a lump was seen at hospital in 8 days was booked for a scan the next week.so from what I have been through the NHS is still quick when it can or has to be.

And A&E was quiet makes a change

So from me thanks to all NHS staff. "

Oh I hope all is well

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hopefully that will put an end to the nonsense spouted but I doubt it.

I doubt it too

I went to Called GP about a lump was seen at hospital in 8 days was booked for a scan the next week.so from what I have been through the NHS is still quick when it can or has to be.

And A&E was quiet makes a change

So from me thanks to all NHS staff. "

According to the NHS themselves there 6-9 months behind on cancer diagnosis and treatment, bearing in mind that early diagnosis is critical as they always say in cancer then you can do the maths, cancer deaths will go through the roof in 18 months (yes there's a lag in cancer deaths as well) 550 deaths a day according to stats at the moment which is based on early diagnosis.

Head of the task force running it says there very unlikely to get on top of it within 2-3 years with the current Corona regulations.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?"

I have got on with life, life hasn't stopped, just adapted to a new normal and taking sensible and responsible measures,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life?

What are your thoughts ?

I have got on with life, life hasn't stopped, just adapted to a new normal and taking sensible and responsible measures, "

Exactly this.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"The first post in this thread is absolutely what needs to happen. There’s been way too much damage done already which will already take years to recover from.

Something like this is natural selection at its finest. A completely normal thing to happen to every species across the planet. Yet we’re running from it."

Jesus wept.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings


"Hopefully that will put an end to the nonsense spouted but I doubt it.

I doubt it too

I went to Called GP about a lump was seen at hospital in 8 days was booked for a scan the next week.so from what I have been through the NHS is still quick when it can or has to be.

And A&E was quiet makes a change

So from me thanks to all NHS staff.

According to the NHS themselves there 6-9 months behind on cancer diagnosis and treatment, bearing in mind that early diagnosis is critical as they always say in cancer then you can do the maths, cancer deaths will go through the roof in 18 months (yes there's a lag in cancer deaths as well) 550 deaths a day according to stats at the moment which is based on early diagnosis.

Head of the task force running it says there very unlikely to get on top of it within 2-3 years with the current Corona regulations.

"

As I said I was seen very quick and it's just a cysts thanks for asking. I have been told because of covid there is no date for an operation if I elected to have it removed but I'm not going to die from it.

There is only so much they can do.

I for one am generally happy with it.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If the responsible people are following the rules re local restrictions it begs the question why they have to have local restrictions on them. Can’t the responsible people be trusted to follow rules re good hand hygiene, social distancing and mask wearing.

After almost seven months its obvious some people are not going to follow the rules and no amount of threats appears to alter that.

Maybe it’s time the U.K. government decided to treat its citizens as adults

Only with Covid does the law abiding citizen get treated worse than the law breaking citizen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The problem is we are a gregarious species

We like to mix and to mingle with others of our kind

It goes against our basic nature to be isolated from others

Its not that people are bad or deliberate law breakers

They are just doing what comes naturally to human beings.

Even in Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia and Maoist China they couldn't do that.

It can't be done. People will always find ways round it.

Like trying to herd cats.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings


"The problem is we are a gregarious species

We like to mix and to mingle with others of our kind

It goes against our basic nature to be isolated from others

Its not that people are bad or deliberate law breakers

They are just doing what comes naturally to human beings.

Even in Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia and Maoist China they couldn't do that.

It can't be done. People will always find ways round it.

Like trying to herd cats."

So what is it you want to change..

I have a trip booked to India should fly on 27th Feb lol won't happen.

Have lost a company this week all staff made redundant.

Car has been sold to help pay redundancy pay.

Equipment not fully played for gone back to the bank or lease company's.

The hire company was suppose to be my pension work till I can't now

But it is what it is.

At least there ant bombs dropping or people being called to a front line to replace the dead.

Man up and shake your self down.

Some are losing there Homes I haven't yet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hopefully that will put an end to the nonsense spouted but I doubt it.

I doubt it too

I went to Called GP about a lump was seen at hospital in 8 days was booked for a scan the next week.so from what I have been through the NHS is still quick when it can or has to be.

And A&E was quiet makes a change

So from me thanks to all NHS staff.

According to the NHS themselves there 6-9 months behind on cancer diagnosis and treatment, bearing in mind that early diagnosis is critical as they always say in cancer then you can do the maths, cancer deaths will go through the roof in 18 months (yes there's a lag in cancer deaths as well) 550 deaths a day according to stats at the moment which is based on early diagnosis.

Head of the task force running it says there very unlikely to get on top of it within 2-3 years with the current Corona regulations.

"

Imagine what will happen if we just let the virus run rampant through the population, all non urgent work will stop again and we will have hospitals full of Covid patients and we won't be able to do anything else. we'll be at least another 6-9 months on top of cancer diagnoses on top of where we already are.

Unless you are suggesting we abandon the Covid patients and let them die at home of course.

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By *orrow my wifeCouple
over a year ago

Brighton


"The problem is we are a gregarious species

We like to mix and to mingle with others of our kind

It goes against our basic nature to be isolated from others

Its not that people are bad or deliberate law breakers

They are just doing what comes naturally to human beings.

Even in Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia and Maoist China they couldn't do that.

It can't be done. People will always find ways round it.

Like trying to herd cats."

Against human nature yes .

But as a nurse who has worked all through this and dealt with many Covid patients lockdown is 100% necessary if you value life more than monetary possessions

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By *andy 1Couple
over a year ago

northeast

its changed r lives holidays abroad cancel we don't go to the pub I do the shopping for the first time in my life becauase the wife has copd we r carefull when family come round we try to sit in the garden we still used r caravan going on quite sites if we wer to take bad thank the lord we have the nhs I have alump on my neck and had 8 visets to hospitals and the staff r brill yes we get on with life and we r just glad we wernt in the war or any thing like that we r still hear a 1,000,000 r not sory about the spelling

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