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"when did we lose our ability to take care of ourselves. I see everyone blame the government for not responding quickly then complaining when they do something they don't like. We all need to take responsibility for our own health and welfare. If you have concerns over your health, stay at home unless absolutely necessary, only socialise with family or trusted friends wear a mask in public and maintain social distance." Taking responsibility for our own health is not incompatible with expecting a government to be competent and to not mismanage a public health crisis. | |||
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"when did we lose our ability to take care of ourselves. I see everyone blame the government for not responding quickly then complaining when they do something they don't like. We all need to take responsibility for our own health and welfare. If you have concerns over your health, stay at home unless absolutely necessary, only socialise with family or trusted friends wear a mask in public and maintain social distance. Taking responsibility for our own health is not incompatible with expecting a government to be competent and to not mismanage a public health crisis." I disagree that you could have expected much more its not a situation that we can compare to. Difficult decisions were made and we have no idea what the outcome would have been had we made different decisions. Decisions you think could have been better may have had catastrophic consequences later down the line. | |||
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"when did we lose our ability to take care of ourselves. I see everyone blame the government for not responding quickly then complaining when they do something they don't like. We all need to take responsibility for our own health and welfare. If you have concerns over your health, stay at home unless absolutely necessary, only socialise with family or trusted friends wear a mask in public and maintain social distance. Taking responsibility for our own health is not incompatible with expecting a government to be competent and to not mismanage a public health crisis. I disagree that you could have expected much more its not a situation that we can compare to. Difficult decisions were made and we have no idea what the outcome would have been had we made different decisions. Decisions you think could have been better may have had catastrophic consequences later down the line. " Allow me to use my common sense .... please don’t list yours and expect me to follow! | |||
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"when did we lose our ability to take care of ourselves. I see everyone blame the government for not responding quickly then complaining when they do something they don't like. We all need to take responsibility for our own health and welfare. If you have concerns over your health, stay at home unless absolutely necessary, only socialise with family or trusted friends wear a mask in public and maintain social distance. Taking responsibility for our own health is not incompatible with expecting a government to be competent and to not mismanage a public health crisis. I disagree that you could have expected much more its not a situation that we can compare to. Difficult decisions were made and we have no idea what the outcome would have been had we made different decisions. Decisions you think could have been better may have had catastrophic consequences later down the line. " Was a pandemic foreseeable? | |||
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"when did we lose our ability to take care of ourselves. I see everyone blame the government for not responding quickly then complaining when they do something they don't like. We all need to take responsibility for our own health and welfare. If you have concerns over your health, stay at home unless absolutely necessary, only socialise with family or trusted friends wear a mask in public and maintain social distance." A post dripping in irony about a gmnt who wouldnt know the meaning of the word responsibility if it sat next to them. Presumably common sense means not shaking hands with covid patients? Or sending people with covid into care homes? Or not attending 5 important meetings at the beginning of a world wide pandemic.? | |||
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"when did we lose our ability to take care of ourselves. I see everyone blame the government for not responding quickly then complaining when they do something they don't like. We all need to take responsibility for our own health and welfare. If you have concerns over your health, stay at home unless absolutely necessary, only socialise with family or trusted friends wear a mask in public and maintain social distance. Taking responsibility for our own health is not incompatible with expecting a government to be competent and to not mismanage a public health crisis. I disagree that you could have expected much more its not a situation that we can compare to. Difficult decisions were made and we have no idea what the outcome would have been had we made different decisions. Decisions you think could have been better may have had catastrophic consequences later down the line. Allow me to use my common sense .... please don’t list yours and expect me to follow! " Feel free to do as you please  . My opinion is my own as yours is your own. I wish you the best of luck | |||
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"when did we lose our ability to take care of ourselves. I see everyone blame the government for not responding quickly then complaining when they do something they don't like. We all need to take responsibility for our own health and welfare. If you have concerns over your health, stay at home unless absolutely necessary, only socialise with family or trusted friends wear a mask in public and maintain social distance. Taking responsibility for our own health is not incompatible with expecting a government to be competent and to not mismanage a public health crisis. I disagree that you could have expected much more its not a situation that we can compare to. Difficult decisions were made and we have no idea what the outcome would have been had we made different decisions. Decisions you think could have been better may have had catastrophic consequences later down the line. Was a pandemic foreseeable? " Is a fire foreseeable? Perhaps we shouldn't have fire alarms because it probably wont happen. | |||
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"what is common sense? " Well listening to what our government and just about every other government in the planet has to say about avoiding infecting others and avoiding becoming infected might be a start. Simple things, like washing hands and avoiding close contact, nothing too complicated  | |||
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"when did we lose our ability to take care of ourselves. I see everyone blame the government for not responding quickly then complaining when they do something they don't like. We all need to take responsibility for our own health and welfare. If you have concerns over your health, stay at home unless absolutely necessary, only socialise with family or trusted friends wear a mask in public and maintain social distance. Taking responsibility for our own health is not incompatible with expecting a government to be competent and to not mismanage a public health crisis. I disagree that you could have expected much more its not a situation that we can compare to. Difficult decisions were made and we have no idea what the outcome would have been had we made different decisions. Decisions you think could have been better may have had catastrophic consequences later down the line. Was a pandemic foreseeable? Is a fire foreseeable? Perhaps we shouldn't have fire alarms because it probably wont happen." Could you not find an answer that was better suited to the question .... than another question? In answer to your question .... yes a fire is foreseeable. | |||
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"There have been countless scenarios, studies into the possible effects, planning and preparation protocols suggested for decades before this happened. To say that the government couldn't have informed themselves of the proper procedures to put in place ahead of schedule is just lunacy. They slacked off. They didn't bother to listen. They hesitated in their leadership. We paid the price for it." WOW, really?? To say that adults in the UK don't feel the need to do as they are told is also lunacy!! "Don't stop my freedom, its all your fault" attitude is what is bringing the second wave. I just wish people would grow up and stop being so self entitled. | |||
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"what is common sense? Well listening to what our government and just about every other government in the planet has to say about avoiding infecting others and avoiding becoming infected might be a start. Simple things, like washing hands and avoiding close contact, nothing too complicated "Yep
We should all be aware of what we should be doing to protect ourselves and others..it's just some can't be arsed, or feel the rules/laws don't apply to them.. | |||
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"what is common sense? Well listening to what our government and just about every other government in the planet has to say about avoiding infecting others and avoiding becoming infected might be a start. Simple things, like washing hands and avoiding close contact, nothing too complicated
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We should all be aware of what we should be doing to protect ourselves and others..it's just some can't be arsed, or feel the rules/laws don't apply to them.."What if the rules/laws are devoid of common sense? | |||
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"Common sense is the gathering of 1000's in Trafalgar Square protesting about Covid without masks or social distancing." Yes unbelievable ... | |||
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"when did we lose our ability to take care of ourselves. I see everyone blame the government for not responding quickly then complaining when they do something they don't like. We all need to take responsibility for our own health and welfare. If you have concerns over your health, stay at home unless absolutely necessary, only socialise with family or trusted friends wear a mask in public and maintain social distance." Some people need spoon feeding. Hopefully they'll die out. | |||
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"what is common sense? Well listening to what our government and just about every other government in the planet has to say about avoiding infecting others and avoiding becoming infected might be a start. Simple things, like washing hands and avoiding close contact, nothing too complicated
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We should all be aware of what we should be doing to protect ourselves and others..it's just some can't be arsed, or feel the rules/laws don't apply to them..
What if the rules/laws are devoid of common sense? "I would still abide by them, masks, social distancing, isolation when required.. | |||
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"when did we lose our ability to take care of ourselves. I see everyone blame the government for not responding quickly then complaining when they do something they don't like. We all need to take responsibility for our own health and welfare. If you have concerns over your health, stay at home unless absolutely necessary, only socialise with family or trusted friends wear a mask in public and maintain social distance. Taking responsibility for our own health is not incompatible with expecting a government to be competent and to not mismanage a public health crisis. I disagree that you could have expected much more its not a situation that we can compare to. Difficult decisions were made and we have no idea what the outcome would have been had we made different decisions. Decisions you think could have been better may have had catastrophic consequences later down the line. Was a pandemic foreseeable? Is a fire foreseeable? Perhaps we shouldn't have fire alarms because it probably wont happen." We have fire drills in places of work to prevent death but people still die in fires. All theory can prepare you as much as possible, but the real thing is different. Before lockdown we were warned to be more careful we ignored the government so lockdown happened. The minute lockdown ended the beaches where packed. | |||
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"what is common sense? Well listening to what our government and just about every other government in the planet has to say about avoiding infecting others and avoiding becoming infected might be a start. Simple things, like washing hands and avoiding close contact, nothing too complicated
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We should all be aware of what we should be doing to protect ourselves and others..it's just some can't be arsed, or feel the rules/laws don't apply to them..
What if the rules/laws are devoid of common sense?
I would still abide by them, masks, social distancing, isolation when required.."So common sense doesn’t prevail? | |||
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"what is common sense? Well listening to what our government and just about every other government in the planet has to say about avoiding infecting others and avoiding becoming infected might be a start. Simple things, like washing hands and avoiding close contact, nothing too complicated
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We should all be aware of what we should be doing to protect ourselves and others..it's just some can't be arsed, or feel the rules/laws don't apply to them..
What if the rules/laws are devoid of common sense?
I would still abide by them, masks, social distancing, isolation when required..
So common sense doesn’t prevail? "They are all common sense to me, what in your opinion isnt and which ones do you break? | |||
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"when did we lose our ability to take care of ourselves. I see everyone blame the government for not responding quickly then complaining when they do something they don't like. We all need to take responsibility for our own health and welfare. If you have concerns over your health, stay at home unless absolutely necessary, only socialise with family or trusted friends wear a mask in public and maintain social distance. Taking responsibility for our own health is not incompatible with expecting a government to be competent and to not mismanage a public health crisis. I disagree that you could have expected much more its not a situation that we can compare to. Difficult decisions were made and we have no idea what the outcome would have been had we made different decisions. Decisions you think could have been better may have had catastrophic consequences later down the line. Was a pandemic foreseeable? Is a fire foreseeable? Perhaps we shouldn't have fire alarms because it probably wont happen. Could you not find an answer that was better suited to the question .... than another question? In answer to your question .... yes a fire is foreseeable. " Therefore the pandemic was foreseeable. | |||
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"when did we lose our ability to take care of ourselves. I see everyone blame the government for not responding quickly then complaining when they do something they don't like. We all need to take responsibility for our own health and welfare. If you have concerns over your health, stay at home unless absolutely necessary, only socialise with family or trusted friends wear a mask in public and maintain social distance. Taking responsibility for our own health is not incompatible with expecting a government to be competent and to not mismanage a public health crisis. I disagree that you could have expected much more its not a situation that we can compare to. Difficult decisions were made and we have no idea what the outcome would have been had we made different decisions. Decisions you think could have been better may have had catastrophic consequences later down the line. Was a pandemic foreseeable? Is a fire foreseeable? Perhaps we shouldn't have fire alarms because it probably wont happen. We have fire drills in places of work to prevent death but people still die in fires. All theory can prepare you as much as possible, but the real thing is different. Before lockdown we were warned to be more careful we ignored the government so lockdown happened. The minute lockdown ended the beaches where packed. " How exactly did we ignore the gmnt? When it 1st started the gmnt seemed to suggest we could handle it with a stiff upper lip. | |||
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"when did we lose our ability to take care of ourselves. I see everyone blame the government for not responding quickly then complaining when they do something they don't like. We all need to take responsibility for our own health and welfare. If you have concerns over your health, stay at home unless absolutely necessary, only socialise with family or trusted friends wear a mask in public and maintain social distance. Some people need spoon feeding. Hopefully they'll die out." Nice. | |||
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"There’s a lot of idiots out there tbh No common sense  "Yes  | |||
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"when did we lose our ability to take care of ourselves. I see everyone blame the government for not responding quickly then complaining when they do something they don't like. We all need to take responsibility for our own health and welfare. If you have concerns over your health, stay at home unless absolutely necessary, only socialise with family or trusted friends wear a mask in public and maintain social distance. Taking responsibility for our own health is not incompatible with expecting a government to be competent and to not mismanage a public health crisis. I disagree that you could have expected much more its not a situation that we can compare to. Difficult decisions were made and we have no idea what the outcome would have been had we made different decisions. Decisions you think could have been better may have had catastrophic consequences later down the line. Was a pandemic foreseeable? Is a fire foreseeable? Perhaps we shouldn't have fire alarms because it probably wont happen. We have fire drills in places of work to prevent death but people still die in fires. All theory can prepare you as much as possible, but the real thing is different. Before lockdown we were warned to be more careful we ignored the government so lockdown happened. The minute lockdown ended the beaches where packed. How exactly did we ignore the gmnt? When it 1st started the gmnt seemed to suggest we could handle it with a stiff upper lip." Days before lockdown was announced we where told to avoid public spaces where possible and work from home where possible. | |||
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"There have been countless scenarios, studies into the possible effects, planning and preparation protocols suggested for decades before this happened. To say that the government couldn't have informed themselves of the proper procedures to put in place ahead of schedule is just lunacy. They slacked off. They didn't bother to listen. They hesitated in their leadership. We paid the price for it." its not quite as black and white as that ... have you ever worked in a project environment... you spend months/ even years planning, replanning, testing, buying yourself more time, all towards what should be a known outcome and still when it goes live you find yourself with unforeseen outcomes and battling against time to resolve issues yes the government have made mistakes and have responsibility to put those right but all the planning in the world wouldn’t have meant we got it all right and i think many people have the expectation that anything less than perfection is failure ... they also seem to think government failure absolves them of any responsibility to use the fire alarm / fire analogy ... we have fire safety plans, smoke alarms, sprinkler systems, full time fire fighters and extra on call for when we need them ... but houses still burn down... and we don't go around just setting fires telling us not to would be the government controlling us | |||
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"when did we lose our ability to take care of ourselves. I see everyone blame the government for not responding quickly then complaining when they do something they don't like. We all need to take responsibility for our own health and welfare. If you have concerns over your health, stay at home unless absolutely necessary, only socialise with family or trusted friends wear a mask in public and maintain social distance. Taking responsibility for our own health is not incompatible with expecting a government to be competent and to not mismanage a public health crisis. I disagree that you could have expected much more its not a situation that we can compare to. Difficult decisions were made and we have no idea what the outcome would have been had we made different decisions. Decisions you think could have been better may have had catastrophic consequences later down the line. Was a pandemic foreseeable? Is a fire foreseeable? Perhaps we shouldn't have fire alarms because it probably wont happen. We have fire drills in places of work to prevent death but people still die in fires. All theory can prepare you as much as possible, but the real thing is different. Before lockdown we were warned to be more careful we ignored the government so lockdown happened. The minute lockdown ended the beaches where packed. " Places of work are expected to assess the risk from fire and put in place controls prevent a fire occurring and to mitigate the risk should a fire occur.... should a death or injury occur the employers assessment and mitigation’s would be scrutinised and, should measures be inadequate, the employer would be prosecuted. The argument that it’s never happened before would cut no ice .... it was foreseeable! Let’s apply that to the pandemic.... foreseeable? Yes!, adequate controls in place to mitigate the risk? No! Oh and the people on the beaches.... they were there because the rules said they could be and this is possibly where ‘the rules’ and common sense are very different things.... | |||
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"when did we lose our ability to take care of ourselves. I see everyone blame the government for not responding quickly then complaining when they do something they don't like. We all need to take responsibility for our own health and welfare. If you have concerns over your health, stay at home unless absolutely necessary, only socialise with family or trusted friends wear a mask in public and maintain social distance. Taking responsibility for our own health is not incompatible with expecting a government to be competent and to not mismanage a public health crisis. I disagree that you could have expected much more its not a situation that we can compare to. Difficult decisions were made and we have no idea what the outcome would have been had we made different decisions. Decisions you think could have been better may have had catastrophic consequences later down the line. Was a pandemic foreseeable? Is a fire foreseeable? Perhaps we shouldn't have fire alarms because it probably wont happen. Could you not find an answer that was better suited to the question .... than another question? In answer to your question .... yes a fire is foreseeable. Therefore the pandemic was foreseeable. " I agree.... though have no idea why you chose to pitch your argument against mine! | |||
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"when did we lose our ability to take care of ourselves. I see everyone blame the government for not responding quickly then complaining when they do something they don't like. We all need to take responsibility for our own health and welfare. If you have concerns over your health, stay at home unless absolutely necessary, only socialise with family or trusted friends wear a mask in public and maintain social distance. Taking responsibility for our own health is not incompatible with expecting a government to be competent and to not mismanage a public health crisis. I disagree that you could have expected much more its not a situation that we can compare to. Difficult decisions were made and we have no idea what the outcome would have been had we made different decisions. Decisions you think could have been better may have had catastrophic consequences later down the line. Was a pandemic foreseeable? Is a fire foreseeable? Perhaps we shouldn't have fire alarms because it probably wont happen. We have fire drills in places of work to prevent death but people still die in fires. All theory can prepare you as much as possible, but the real thing is different. Before lockdown we were warned to be more careful we ignored the government so lockdown happened. The minute lockdown ended the beaches where packed. Places of work are expected to assess the risk from fire and put in place controls prevent a fire occurring and to mitigate the risk should a fire occur.... should a death or injury occur the employers assessment and mitigation’s would be scrutinised and, should measures be inadequate, the employer would be prosecuted. The argument that it’s never happened before would cut no ice .... it was foreseeable! Let’s apply that to the pandemic.... foreseeable? Yes!, adequate controls in place to mitigate the risk? No! Oh and the people on the beaches.... they were there because the rules said they could be and this is possibly where ‘the rules’ and common sense are very different things.... " The rules may of said it was OK to be there but the rules also stated that social distance was to be maintained. One rule may have been satisfied but the second wasn't. | |||
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"There’s a lot of idiots out there tbh No common sense "There is also a vast majority of people who are following the roles. | |||
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"when did we lose our ability to take care of ourselves. I see everyone blame the government for not responding quickly then complaining when they do something they don't like. We all need to take responsibility for our own health and welfare. If you have concerns over your health, stay at home unless absolutely necessary, only socialise with family or trusted friends wear a mask in public and maintain social distance. Taking responsibility for our own health is not incompatible with expecting a government to be competent and to not mismanage a public health crisis. I disagree that you could have expected much more its not a situation that we can compare to. Difficult decisions were made and we have no idea what the outcome would have been had we made different decisions. Decisions you think could have been better may have had catastrophic consequences later down the line. Was a pandemic foreseeable? Is a fire foreseeable? Perhaps we shouldn't have fire alarms because it probably wont happen. We have fire drills in places of work to prevent death but people still die in fires. All theory can prepare you as much as possible, but the real thing is different. Before lockdown we were warned to be more careful we ignored the government so lockdown happened. The minute lockdown ended the beaches where packed. How exactly did we ignore the gmnt? When it 1st started the gmnt seemed to suggest we could handle it with a stiff upper lip. Days before lockdown was announced we where told to avoid public spaces where possible and work from home where possible. " Which we did. | |||
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"when did we lose our ability to take care of ourselves. I see everyone blame the government for not responding quickly then complaining when they do something they don't like. We all need to take responsibility for our own health and welfare. If you have concerns over your health, stay at home unless absolutely necessary, only socialise with family or trusted friends wear a mask in public and maintain social distance. Taking responsibility for our own health is not incompatible with expecting a government to be competent and to not mismanage a public health crisis. I disagree that you could have expected much more its not a situation that we can compare to. Difficult decisions were made and we have no idea what the outcome would have been had we made different decisions. Decisions you think could have been better may have had catastrophic consequences later down the line. Was a pandemic foreseeable? Is a fire foreseeable? Perhaps we shouldn't have fire alarms because it probably wont happen. Could you not find an answer that was better suited to the question .... than another question? In answer to your question .... yes a fire is foreseeable. Therefore the pandemic was foreseeable. I agree.... though have no idea why you chose to pitch your argument against mine!" One of those days | |||
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"There have been countless scenarios, studies into the possible effects, planning and preparation protocols suggested for decades before this happened. To say that the government couldn't have informed themselves of the proper procedures to put in place ahead of schedule is just lunacy. They slacked off. They didn't bother to listen. They hesitated in their leadership. We paid the price for it. its not quite as black and white as that ... have you ever worked in a project environment... you spend months/ even years planning, replanning, testing, buying yourself more time, all towards what should be a known outcome and still when it goes live you find yourself with unforeseen outcomes and battling against time to resolve issues yes the government have made mistakes and have responsibility to put those right but all the planning in the world wouldn’t have meant we got it all right and i think many people have the expectation that anything less than perfection is failure ... they also seem to think government failure absolves them of any responsibility to use the fire alarm / fire analogy ... we have fire safety plans, smoke alarms, sprinkler systems, full time fire fighters and extra on call for when we need them ... but houses still burn down... and we don't go around just setting fires telling us not to would be the government controlling us "It the planning, replanning and testing that were, in my opinion, a bit short. I forget the report ... it was months ago I read it and I can’t be arsed citing it... but previous pandemic preparedness exercises I think 2017 showed that the country was woefully underprepared. This was the assessment, like a fire risk assessment, that identified that additional controls were necessary....the emergency plans, the fire alarms, smoke alarms, fire extinguishing equipment, additional emergency services,etc (for a pandemic) where not put in place. | |||
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"what is common sense? Well listening to what our government and just about every other government in the planet has to say about avoiding infecting others and avoiding becoming infected might be a start. Simple things, like washing hands and avoiding close contact, nothing too complicated "you mean like wearing of masks is useless but you have to wear one when entering any indoor venue. Go out to eat, no you can't. Rule of 6, no not for us we can't mix at all, yes, things, are simple aren't they. No they are not, yes they are, no they're not. It's a, pantomime | |||
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"when did we lose our ability to take care of ourselves. I see everyone blame the government for not responding quickly then complaining when they do something they don't like. We all need to take responsibility for our own health and welfare. If you have concerns over your health, stay at home unless absolutely necessary, only socialise with family or trusted friends wear a mask in public and maintain social distance. Taking responsibility for our own health is not incompatible with expecting a government to be competent and to not mismanage a public health crisis. I disagree that you could have expected much more its not a situation that we can compare to. Difficult decisions were made and we have no idea what the outcome would have been had we made different decisions. Decisions you think could have been better may have had catastrophic consequences later down the line. Was a pandemic foreseeable? Is a fire foreseeable? Perhaps we shouldn't have fire alarms because it probably wont happen. We have fire drills in places of work to prevent death but people still die in fires. All theory can prepare you as much as possible, but the real thing is different. Before lockdown we were warned to be more careful we ignored the government so lockdown happened. The minute lockdown ended the beaches where packed. Places of work are expected to assess the risk from fire and put in place controls prevent a fire occurring and to mitigate the risk should a fire occur.... should a death or injury occur the employers assessment and mitigation’s would be scrutinised and, should measures be inadequate, the employer would be prosecuted. The argument that it’s never happened before would cut no ice .... it was foreseeable! Let’s apply that to the pandemic.... foreseeable? Yes!, adequate controls in place to mitigate the risk? No! Oh and the people on the beaches.... they were there because the rules said they could be and this is possibly where ‘the rules’ and common sense are very different things.... The rules may of said it was OK to be there but the rules also stated that social distance was to be maintained. One rule may have been satisfied but the second wasn't. " I wasn’t there.... when I saw overhead shots on tv I’d say they were..... when I saw images in the press it appeared not! | |||
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"Common sense is good but it has to be combined with good leadership." 100% this ... but part of the problem is we seem to be at a stalemate where both are as shite as each other and rather than try improve either , both are just in their respective corners pointing fingers of blame with the media stirring a big pot in the middle | |||
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"There have been countless scenarios, studies into the possible effects, planning and preparation protocols suggested for decades before this happened. To say that the government couldn't have informed themselves of the proper procedures to put in place ahead of schedule is just lunacy. They slacked off. They didn't bother to listen. They hesitated in their leadership. We paid the price for it. its not quite as black and white as that ... have you ever worked in a project environment... you spend months/ even years planning, replanning, testing, buying yourself more time, all towards what should be a known outcome and still when it goes live you find yourself with unforeseen outcomes and battling against time to resolve issues yes the government have made mistakes and have responsibility to put those right but all the planning in the world wouldn’t have meant we got it all right and i think many people have the expectation that anything less than perfection is failure ... they also seem to think government failure absolves them of any responsibility to use the fire alarm / fire analogy ... we have fire safety plans, smoke alarms, sprinkler systems, full time fire fighters and extra on call for when we need them ... but houses still burn down... and we don't go around just setting fires telling us not to would be the government controlling us
It the planning, replanning and testing that were, in my opinion, a bit short. I forget the report ... it was months ago I read it and I can’t be arsed citing it... but previous pandemic preparedness exercises I think 2017 showed that the country was woefully underprepared. This was the assessment, like a fire risk assessment, that identified that additional controls were necessary....the emergency plans, the fire alarms, smoke alarms, fire extinguishing equipment, additional emergency services,etc (for a pandemic) where not put in place. "i dont disagree with this at all, but i get the impression many have taken the failings of the government as a sign to throw the towel in... to hell with doing my bit , im just gonna do what suits me its the equivalent in the fire situation of , fuck this my management didnt make sure the sprinklers were working so ill just light matches in a few extra rooms on my way out | |||
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"There’s a lot of idiots out there tbh No common sense
There is also a vast majority of people who are following the roles.
Didn’t say there wasn’t "I know .Simply pointing out there is a huge amount of attention given to the people breaking the rules,when the fact is the huge majority are following the roles. | |||
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"There hasn't been much common sense knocking around for a long time. However that's where my agreement with you ends. Plenty of people are being careful and are staying safe. But still have to go to work, and have to go shopping. These people are being put at risk by others who aren't being as careful and considerate as they could be. There isn't enough room to mention the things this government have done in their mismanagement of this current situation. But I'm sure you know the story anyway. The only question is if they're deliberately fucking it up, to distract us from other things that are going on, or if they're genuinely incompetent." That's the big question. | |||
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"There have been countless scenarios, studies into the possible effects, planning and preparation protocols suggested for decades before this happened. To say that the government couldn't have informed themselves of the proper procedures to put in place ahead of schedule is just lunacy. They slacked off. They didn't bother to listen. They hesitated in their leadership. We paid the price for it. its not quite as black and white as that ... have you ever worked in a project environment... you spend months/ even years planning, replanning, testing, buying yourself more time, all towards what should be a known outcome and still when it goes live you find yourself with unforeseen outcomes and battling against time to resolve issues yes the government have made mistakes and have responsibility to put those right but all the planning in the world wouldn’t have meant we got it all right and i think many people have the expectation that anything less than perfection is failure ... they also seem to think government failure absolves them of any responsibility to use the fire alarm / fire analogy ... we have fire safety plans, smoke alarms, sprinkler systems, full time fire fighters and extra on call for when we need them ... but houses still burn down... and we don't go around just setting fires telling us not to would be the government controlling us
It the planning, replanning and testing that were, in my opinion, a bit short. I forget the report ... it was months ago I read it and I can’t be arsed citing it... but previous pandemic preparedness exercises I think 2017 showed that the country was woefully underprepared. This was the assessment, like a fire risk assessment, that identified that additional controls were necessary....the emergency plans, the fire alarms, smoke alarms, fire extinguishing equipment, additional emergency services,etc (for a pandemic) where not put in place.
i dont disagree with this at all, but i get the impression many have taken the failings of the government as a sign to throw the towel in... to hell with doing my bit , im just gonna do what suits me
its the equivalent in the fire situation of , fuck this my management didnt make sure the sprinklers were working so ill just light matches in a few extra rooms on my way out "Or, back to the fire situation, I have no confidence in management, I will ignore what they say, but I’ll take reasonable steps to protect myself an others as I see fit, use my common sense... management still can’t decide whether the three bar heater is a good thing to keep the paper dry! | |||
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"Common sense... first hour of the day priority for NHS staff in shops ( the most likely exposed) 2nd hour of the day the elderly ( the most vulnerable) was the system introduced in first days of lockdown..... according to announcements in Lidl yesterday.... this is being brought back (could be old recording being used due to other measures it contains but I doubt it)! Are these measures that make ‘common sense’ whether now or initial lockdown? " These are set by the shops. Thankfully got my delivery slots booked in so don't have to go in a supermarket. My wife is a midwife so we had the option for using the NHS hour but never did. | |||
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"when did we lose our ability to take care of ourselves. I see everyone blame the government for not responding quickly then complaining when they do something they don't like. We all need to take responsibility for our own health and welfare. If you have concerns over your health, stay at home unless absolutely necessary, only socialise with family or trusted friends wear a mask in public and maintain social distance." "trusted friends" 
Sorry OP but does that mean you trust your friends to not get an asymptomatic version of the virus? | |||
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"Common sense... first hour of the day priority for NHS staff in shops ( the most likely exposed) 2nd hour of the day the elderly ( the most vulnerable) was the system introduced in first days of lockdown..... according to announcements in Lidl yesterday.... this is being brought back (could be old recording being used due to other measures it contains but I doubt it)! Are these measures that make ‘common sense’ whether now or initial lockdown? These are set by the shops. Thankfully got my delivery slots booked in so don't have to go in a supermarket. My wife is a midwife so we had the option for using the NHS hour but never did. " I don’t think at the start of lockdown the shops would be working without guidance and I will stick my neck out and say I think there was governmental guidance involved. Even so, there was no government intervention preventing it! But anyway..... common sense? Or absolute madness? | |||
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"when did we lose our ability to take care of ourselves. I see everyone blame the government for not responding quickly then complaining when they do something they don't like. We all need to take responsibility for our own health and welfare. If you have concerns over your health, stay at home unless absolutely necessary, only socialise with family or trusted friends wear a mask in public and maintain social distance." Well said OP. There probably quite a few of us that think this too. It is generally a way of life I am following of late. | |||
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"when did we lose our ability to take care of ourselves. I see everyone blame the government for not responding quickly then complaining when they do something they don't like. We all need to take responsibility for our own health and welfare. If you have concerns over your health, stay at home unless absolutely necessary, only socialise with family or trusted friends wear a mask in public and maintain social distance. Well said OP. There probably quite a few of us that think this too. It is generally a way of life I am following of late." Yes there is, many of them are connected to vulnerable and elderly people so have the urge to protect others. | |||
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"when did we lose our ability to take care of ourselves. I see everyone blame the government for not responding quickly then complaining when they do something they don't like. We all need to take responsibility for our own health and welfare. If you have concerns over your health, stay at home unless absolutely necessary, only socialise with family or trusted friends wear a mask in public and maintain social distance. "trusted friends"
Sorry OP but does that mean you trust your friends to not get an asymptomatic version of the virus? "he didnt say he was going to be swapping spit with them he said socialising ... anyone anywhere could be asymptomatic ... that doesn't remove the benefit of being able to trust friends to follow proper hygiene and social distancing around you, to cancel plans and stay home if they feel under the weather | |||
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"when did we lose our ability to take care of ourselves. I see everyone blame the government for not responding quickly then complaining when they do something they don't like. We all need to take responsibility for our own health and welfare. If you have concerns over your health, stay at home unless absolutely necessary, only socialise with family or trusted friends wear a mask in public and maintain social distance. "trusted friends"
Sorry OP but does that mean you trust your friends to not get an asymptomatic version of the virus?
he didnt say he was going to be swapping spit with them he said socialising ... anyone anywhere could be asymptomatic ... that doesn't remove the benefit of being able to trust friends to follow proper hygiene and social distancing around you, to cancel plans and stay home if they feel under the weather "And of course all these asymptomatic friends don't contaminate any surfaces that OP may then touch. It was initially a tongue in cheek comment, but as the saying goes there's many a true word said in jest. | |||
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"Common sense eh .....should have been mandatory for EVERYONE to either wear masks or face visors inside shops /work places etc early doors ..no exceptions or exemptions ...if people cant wear em get someone to shop for them ...tired of seeing so many shoppers too "ill" to wear coverings and they are the ones who really need em most !!!" So if you genuinely cant wear one you should be practically under house arrest? | |||
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"Common sense eh .....should have been mandatory for EVERYONE to either wear masks or face visors inside shops /work places etc early doors ..no exceptions or exemptions ...if people cant wear em get someone to shop for them ...tired of seeing so many shoppers too "ill" to wear coverings and they are the ones who really need em most !!! So if you genuinely cant wear one you should be practically under house arrest?" Anybody can wear a visor ..and have no problem breathing ...its just a joke ..saying you cant wont wear a mask or visor when out is just a big excuse ..asthmatics etc can breathe over everybody when out and its ok it seems | |||
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"when did we lose our ability to take care of ourselves. I see everyone blame the government for not responding quickly then complaining when they do something they don't like. We all need to take responsibility for our own health and welfare. If you have concerns over your health, stay at home unless absolutely necessary, only socialise with family or trusted friends wear a mask in public and maintain social distance. "trusted friends"
Sorry OP but does that mean you trust your friends to not get an asymptomatic version of the virus?
he didnt say he was going to be swapping spit with them he said socialising ... anyone anywhere could be asymptomatic ... that doesn't remove the benefit of being able to trust friends to follow proper hygiene and social distancing around you, to cancel plans and stay home if they feel under the weather
And of course all these asymptomatic friends don't contaminate any surfaces that OP may then touch.
It was initially a tongue in cheek comment, but as the saying goes there's many a true word said in jest. "they do but so do the asymptomatic people in the supermarket and on the bus (and the people that deliver your online shopping) unless you are prepared to lock yourself up at home alone indefinitely you are going to come into contact with asymptomatic people ... all you can so is follow appropriate social distance and hygiene measures none of that removes from the fact that being able to socialise with friends that you trust to also follow them is better than socialising with people you dont trust to follow the same standards | |||
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"Common sense eh .....should have been mandatory for EVERYONE to either wear masks or face visors inside shops /work places etc early doors ..no exceptions or exemptions ...if people cant wear em get someone to shop for them ...tired of seeing so many shoppers too "ill" to wear coverings and they are the ones who really need em most !!! So if you genuinely cant wear one you should be practically under house arrest?Anybody can wear a visor ..and have no problem breathing ...its just a joke ..saying you cant wont wear a mask or visor when out is just a big excuse ..asthmatics etc can breathe over everybody when out and its ok it seems " People with Asthma really need to visit the Asthma UK website and read it | |||
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"when did we lose our ability to take care of ourselves. I see everyone blame the government for not responding quickly then complaining when they do something they don't like. We all need to take responsibility for our own health and welfare. If you have concerns over your health, stay at home unless absolutely necessary, only socialise with family or trusted friends wear a mask in public and maintain social distance." Spot on mate. It was obvious weeks ahead that lockdown was coming and I started working from home about a fortnight before Nicola said we must. With my wife's vulnerabilities it was just common sense. Since then, if we can't get something delivered we don't need it. I haven't been in a shop since mid March, and frankly my life is no poorer for it. | |||
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"Common sense eh .....should have been mandatory for EVERYONE to either wear masks or face visors inside shops /work places etc early doors ..no exceptions or exemptions ...if people cant wear em get someone to shop for them ...tired of seeing so many shoppers too "ill" to wear coverings and they are the ones who really need em most !!!" Exactly, they use choose to use it as an excuse...two choices....wear one or stay in..... | |||
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"Common sense eh .....should have been mandatory for EVERYONE to either wear masks or face visors inside shops /work places etc early doors ..no exceptions or exemptions ...if people cant wear em get someone to shop for them ...tired of seeing so many shoppers too "ill" to wear coverings and they are the ones who really need em most !!! So if you genuinely cant wear one you should be practically under house arrest?Anybody can wear a visor ..and have no problem breathing ...its just a joke ..saying you cant wont wear a mask or visor when out is just a big excuse ..asthmatics etc can breathe over everybody when out and its ok it seems " Visors are intended to be worn with masks. They provide very little protection otherwise. | |||
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"when did we lose our ability to take care of ourselves. I see everyone blame the government for not responding quickly then complaining when they do something they don't like. We all need to take responsibility for our own health and welfare. If you have concerns over your health, stay at home unless absolutely necessary, only socialise with family or trusted friends wear a mask in public and maintain social distance." Correct. We are responsible not the state. | |||
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"Common sense eh .....should have been mandatory for EVERYONE to either wear masks or face visors inside shops /work places etc early doors ..no exceptions or exemptions ...if people cant wear em get someone to shop for them ...tired of seeing so many shoppers too "ill" to wear coverings and they are the ones who really need em most !!! So if you genuinely cant wear one you should be practically under house arrest?Anybody can wear a visor ..and have no problem breathing ...its just a joke ..saying you cant wont wear a mask or visor when out is just a big excuse ..asthmatics etc can breathe over everybody when out and its ok it seems Visors are intended to be worn with masks. They provide very little protection otherwise." The "exempt" are going out with no protection and are on a wing and a prayer ....more fool them ... | |||
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"when did we lose our ability to take care of ourselves. I see everyone blame the government for not responding quickly then complaining when they do something they don't like. We all need to take responsibility for our own health and welfare. If you have concerns over your health, stay at home unless absolutely necessary, only socialise with family or trusted friends wear a mask in public and maintain social distance. Correct. We are responsible not the state." The state has a responsibility for peoples health. | |||
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"when did we lose our ability to take care of ourselves. I see everyone blame the government for not responding quickly then complaining when they do something they don't like. We all need to take responsibility for our own health and welfare. If you have concerns over your health, stay at home unless absolutely necessary, only socialise with family or trusted friends wear a mask in public and maintain social distance. Correct. We are responsible not the state. The state has a responsibility for peoples health." The state has a responsibility to ensure we have a safe and healthy place to live we have a choice whether to use it wisely or kill ourselves by being stupid. Otherwise the government would have banned cars, bicycles, knives, electric heaters and all sorts of dangerous things. They advise us to wash our hands, maintain social distancing, wear a mask when we can't and it's up to us then Unfortunately there are too many people who are too stupid to follow the above so they have to go farther and make it law or enforce shutdowns to prevent exposure. Whilst I agree with lockdown and regulations at the present time I wouldn't agree that nobody can drive cars between 7pm and 8am to reduce road fatalities but it could be argued that the government have a duty to do it to protect us. | |||
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"when did we lose our ability to take care of ourselves. I see everyone blame the government for not responding quickly then complaining when they do something they don't like. We all need to take responsibility for our own health and welfare. If you have concerns over your health, stay at home unless absolutely necessary, only socialise with family or trusted friends wear a mask in public and maintain social distance." The nanny state is to blame.Both parties guilty of this crap and the EU to,mainly the EU | |||
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"when did we lose our ability to take care of ourselves. I see everyone blame the government for not responding quickly then complaining when they do something they don't like. We all need to take responsibility for our own health and welfare. If you have concerns over your health, stay at home unless absolutely necessary, only socialise with family or trusted friends wear a mask in public and maintain social distance.The nanny state is to blame.Both parties guilty of this crap and the EU to,mainly the EU" Superb | |||
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"when did we lose our ability to take care of ourselves. I see everyone blame the government for not responding quickly then complaining when they do something they don't like. We all need to take responsibility for our own health and welfare. If you have concerns over your health, stay at home unless absolutely necessary, only socialise with family or trusted friends wear a mask in public and maintain social distance. Taking responsibility for our own health is not incompatible with expecting a government to be competent and to not mismanage a public health crisis. I disagree that you could have expected much more its not a situation that we can compare to. Difficult decisions were made and we have no idea what the outcome would have been had we made different decisions. Decisions you think could have been better may have had catastrophic consequences later down the line. Was a pandemic foreseeable? Is a fire foreseeable? Perhaps we shouldn't have fire alarms because it probably wont happen." Bit insensitive, in light of those that died in the grenfell disaster. | |||
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"Common sense is overrated. I hear it used frequently, but it doesn't mean anything." Do you not have the sense to work it out? | |||
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"when did we lose our ability to take care of ourselves. I see everyone blame the government for not responding quickly then complaining when they do something they don't like. We all need to take responsibility for our own health and welfare. If you have concerns over your health, stay at home unless absolutely necessary, only socialise with family or trusted friends wear a mask in public and maintain social distance. Taking responsibility for our own health is not incompatible with expecting a government to be competent and to not mismanage a public health crisis. I disagree that you could have expected much more its not a situation that we can compare to. Difficult decisions were made and we have no idea what the outcome would have been had we made different decisions. Decisions you think could have been better may have had catastrophic consequences later down the line. Was a pandemic foreseeable? Is a fire foreseeable? Perhaps we shouldn't have fire alarms because it probably wont happen. Bit insensitive, in light of those that died in the grenfell disaster. " Not really.As I wasnt talking about that situation and had nothing whatsoever to do with the point I was making. | |||
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