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Covid 19 is not a pandemic

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

It's a syndemic.

Don't worry the label is aimed at policy makers, in particular health.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

For people who keep arguing about loss of life via non communicable diseases (NCD), it'll please them because 1, it takes NCD into account (synergistically with covid19), and 2, as a global burden in their own right (ie not to ignore NCD due to the present crisis).

I think the title of the article in the lancet is as my thread title (I'll check).

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Just Google thread title with the lancet.

BTW for ease of understanding, NCD in this context are your chronic diseases (with covid, underlying conditions).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's nice to see a thread where all the posters agree for once

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"It's nice to see a thread where all the posters agree for once "

I disagree

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It's nice to see a thread where all the posters agree for once

I disagree "

Are you being bloody minded?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It's nice to see a thread where all the posters agree for once "

If they understand it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's nice to see a thread where all the posters agree for once

I disagree "

Nice while it lasted!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's nice to see a thread where all the posters agree for once

If they understand it "

This is fab. You can't use big words like synergistic here. We use words like FAF.

This reminds me to look up what scaremongerer, narcissistic and egomaniac mean...

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

The Lancet article makes sense but it's probably not easy reading for all.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It's nice to see a thread where all the posters agree for once

If they understand it

This is fab. You can't use big words like synergistic here. We use words like FAF.

This reminds me to look up what scaremongerer, narcissistic and egomaniac mean... "

Oops sorry. I used that word as it relates to to term syndemic. Definition:

"relating to the interaction or cooperation of two or more organizations, substances, or other agents to produce a combined effect greater than the sum of their separate effects".

Admittedly I've only ever used the word in a positive manner (eg paracetamol increases the efficacy of codeine, increasing the total effect of both analgesia than merely the sum of the two).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That article just rebadges what we already know. People with underlying health issue will suffer more catching Covid than "healthy" people.

It then goes on to use a lot of fancy words to say the governments of the world need to do more to tackle chronic illness and obesity, especially in minorities.

This isnt exactly news.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Error. If I don't understand I just blame Brexit and or the Government right? Or say it's a conspiracy?

I'm going with conspiracy. And bulk buying toilet roll. This new thing sounds worse than the pandemic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, Covid-19 is a Pandemic... read every medical journal in the world for confirmation x

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"No, Covid-19 is a Pandemic... read every medical journal in the world for confirmation x"

Did you not read the posts charli?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Great Post but most people have made their minds up about. The media has everyone scared and they just report the bits that will instill further fear. 99.9% of the population are perfectly safe but you wouldn't know it by listening to the news.

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By *addy7.5x6Man
over a year ago

High Wycombe


"Great Post but most people have made their minds up about. The media has everyone scared and they just report the bits that will instill further fear. 99.9% of the population are perfectly safe but you wouldn't know it by listening to the news. "

If you mean that just 0.1% of the population already have died or will die, then that doesn't mean all the other 99.% are "perfectly safe". Many who've had the disease and recovered will suffer the often severe after-effects for years, or in some cases, the rest of their lives.

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By *addy7.5x6Man
over a year ago

High Wycombe

The article makes perfect sense, but conflates short term, that is mitigation, with long-term strategic policies to address inequalities, poverty, education, economic revival etc.

The first has to be addressed immediately, the second has to be set in motion for the future.

Covid-19 is an epidemic in the short term, and a syndemic in the long term.

When the ship is sinking, it's the right time to concentrate on survival of most of the passengers, and not not set up a committee to redesign ship's bows to survive collision with large floating objects in the future.

Redressing social and economic inequalities needs thinking about ASAP, but not until control of Covid-19 spreading and ensuring hospital facilities to handle the coming winter crisis have been achieved.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"It's nice to see a thread where all the posters agree for once

I disagree

Are you being bloody minded? "

I was slightly, but to be pedantic, Covid-19 IS still a pandemic. Yes there are other factors which combine to make the issue worse, but these are not a constituent part of Covid-19. I think that you can positively argue that the pandemic combines with these other factors to create a Syndemic. Saying that this virus is not a pandemic is akin to saying that a car sat in a queue of traffic ceases to be car and has become a traffic-jam.

on the other hand though, there are obviously several other factors which as the article rightly says are combining with the pandemic to magnify it's effects. These things do all need tackling too, but by shoving them all under this "Syndemic" umbrella suggests that there is some sort of holistic approach that would resolve all of these issues at once. Unfortunately these other factors all need their own targeted approach to fix them... and this approach will differ from one part of the world to another.

Cal

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over a year ago

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke


"It's nice to see a thread where all the posters agree for once

I disagree

Are you being bloody minded?

I was slightly, but to be pedantic, Covid-19 IS still a pandemic. Yes there are other factors which combine to make the issue worse, but these are not a constituent part of Covid-19. I think that you can positively argue that the pandemic combines with these other factors to create a Syndemic. Saying that this virus is not a pandemic is akin to saying that a car sat in a queue of traffic ceases to be car and has become a traffic-jam.

on the other hand though, there are obviously several other factors which as the article rightly says are combining with the pandemic to magnify it's effects. These things do all need tackling too, but by shoving them all under this "Syndemic" umbrella suggests that there is some sort of holistic approach that would resolve all of these issues at once. Unfortunately these other factors all need their own targeted approach to fix them... and this approach will differ from one part of the world to another.

Cal"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's nice to see a thread where all the posters agree for once

I disagree

Are you being bloody minded?

I was slightly, but to be pedantic, Covid-19 IS still a pandemic. Yes there are other factors which combine to make the issue worse, but these are not a constituent part of Covid-19. I think that you can positively argue that the pandemic combines with these other factors to create a Syndemic. Saying that this virus is not a pandemic is akin to saying that a car sat in a queue of traffic ceases to be car and has become a traffic-jam.

on the other hand though, there are obviously several other factors which as the article rightly says are combining with the pandemic to magnify it's effects. These things do all need tackling too, but by shoving them all under this "Syndemic" umbrella suggests that there is some sort of holistic approach that would resolve all of these issues at once. Unfortunately these other factors all need their own targeted approach to fix them... and this approach will differ from one part of the world to another.

Cal"

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By *DGF20Man
over a year ago

Dublin

Human stupidity is pandemic, not virus with more than 80% cases without symptoms or 1% or whatever deaths...

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Great Post but most people have made their minds up about. The media has everyone scared and they just report the bits that will instill further fear. 99.9% of the population are perfectly safe but you wouldn't know it by listening to the news. "

Please elaborate to how your post is related to the OP.

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By *addy7.5x6Man
over a year ago

High Wycombe


"Great Post but most people have made their minds up about. The media has everyone scared and they just report the bits that will instill further fear. 99.9% of the population are perfectly safe but you wouldn't know it by listening to the news. "

No, not "perfectly safe" . Many of those who've survived a Covid-19 infection will be stuck with the after-effects for years or even the rest of their lives. Some will never lead a normal life ever again. I'll hazard a guess you picked up that 99.9% figure on Twitter.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"The article makes perfect sense, but conflates short term, that is mitigation, with long-term strategic policies to address inequalities, poverty, education, economic revival etc.

The first has to be addressed immediately, the second has to be set in motion for the future.

Covid-19 is an epidemic in the short term, and a syndemic in the long term.

When the ship is sinking, it's the right time to concentrate on survival of most of the passengers, and not not set up a committee to redesign ship's bows to survive collision with large floating objects in the future.

Redressing social and economic inequalities needs thinking about ASAP, but not until control of Covid-19 spreading and ensuring hospital facilities to handle the coming winter crisis have been achieved. "

It's still a pandemic.

I agree with short term strategies to mitigate risk etc and perhaps the authors consider, now that we have amassed a great deal of knowledge, it's time to combine short term mitigation with long term solutions, rather than at the expense of long term solutions.

Of course, it may be too soon as you state, winter pressures are coming. I just think it's good to know someone is keeping an eye on the long term picture with respect to governmental policies.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Human stupidity is pandemic, not virus with more than 80% cases without symptoms or 1% or whatever deaths... "

Pssssttt quick, go read up on the definition of pandemic - it's with regards to transmission and distribution

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It's nice to see a thread where all the posters agree for once

I disagree

Are you being bloody minded?

I was slightly, but to be pedantic, Covid-19 IS still a pandemic. Yes there are other factors which combine to make the issue worse, but these are not a constituent part of Covid-19. I think that you can positively argue that the pandemic combines with these other factors to create a Syndemic. Saying that this virus is not a pandemic is akin to saying that a car sat in a queue of traffic ceases to be car and has become a traffic-jam.

on the other hand though, there are obviously several other factors which as the article rightly says are combining with the pandemic to magnify it's effects. These things do all need tackling too, but by shoving them all under this "Syndemic" umbrella suggests that there is some sort of holistic approach that would resolve all of these issues at once. Unfortunately these other factors all need their own targeted approach to fix them... and this approach will differ from one part of the world to another.

Cal"

Don't you go blaming me for the title . To me, it's just suggesting it's worse than a mere pandemic.

Apart from that, it's a from me.

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