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"With Uk now over 2 Trillion In debt ,record borrowing in August 36 billion what do you think they will do to balance the books before Uk is in very serious trouble ? " Sell arse holes. I mean sorry "sell our souls". Move or cancel the state pension till we are 90.  | |||
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"With Uk now over 2 Trillion In debt ,record borrowing in August 36 billion what do you think they will do to balance the books before Uk is in very serious trouble ? " Print some more money | |||
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"With Uk now over 2 Trillion In debt ,record borrowing in August 36 billion what do you think they will do to balance the books before Uk is in very serious trouble ? Print some more money" If they carry on with that we’ll end up with a Junk currency | |||
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"With Uk now over 2 Trillion In debt ,record borrowing in August 36 billion what do you think they will do to balance the books before Uk is in very serious trouble ? Print some more money If they carry on with that we’ll end up with a Junk currency " Only if your the only currency doing it...and believe me we aren't | |||
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"With Uk now over 2 Trillion In debt ,record borrowing in August 36 billion what do you think they will do to balance the books before Uk is in very serious trouble ? " Same as every other European country  | |||
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"The UK is already in serious trouble as any country would be where debt to GDP ratio is 100%. It'll be impossible to ever pay it off under the current system. In all likelihood prepare for more austerity, budget cuts and tax hikes. It's the only formula the morons who runs governments in western countries know "This is one hell of a serious debt and don’t forget it’s going up every single month by billions | |||
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"With Uk now over 2 Trillion In debt ,record borrowing in August 36 billion what do you think they will do to balance the books before Uk is in very serious trouble ? Print some more money If they carry on with that we’ll end up with a Junk currency Only if your the only currency doing it...and believe me we aren't " Exactly, there are a few more options than if you or I owed our mortgage payments .  | |||
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"Printing Money has always been a good Quantitative Easing Strategy and the BoE has already started to look at it. It has been used the World over for since at least 1664. Writing off debt is another strategy - Internally there isn't a problem with it - Externally is more problematic because you need International Fiscal Agreements that won't disadvantage one Country against another. " Quantitative easing and fractional reserve banking are at the root of the financial crisis. They benefit very few insiders and impoverish everyone else over time. It's what happens when unaccountable bankers have free reign to do as they please when they please. | |||
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"Printing Money has always been a good Quantitative Easing Strategy and the BoE has already started to look at it. It has been used the World over for since at least 1664. Writing off debt is another strategy - Internally there isn't a problem with it - Externally is more problematic because you need International Fiscal Agreements that won't disadvantage one Country against another. Quantitative easing and fractional reserve banking are at the root of the financial crisis. They benefit very few insiders and impoverish everyone else over time. It's what happens when unaccountable bankers have free reign to do as they please when they please." But more importantly save countries from bankruptcy - who has the most at each stage in the process is the very definition of Capitalism. | |||
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"Also look at MMT Modern Monetary Theory. Also been around for quite a while." You have to factor in skills and productivity, in France they accept around 10% unemployment to boost productivity, it’s a decision to keep the lowest skilled people completely out of work. The uk , outside of London is way behind on skills, but we still aim for full employment, so we promote low productivity, tortes don’t like giving anything away | |||
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"Printing Money has always been a good Quantitative Easing Strategy and the BoE has already started to look at it. It has been used the World over for since at least 1664. Writing off debt is another strategy - Internally there isn't a problem with it - Externally is more problematic because you need International Fiscal Agreements that won't disadvantage one Country against another. Quantitative easing and fractional reserve banking are at the root of the financial crisis. They benefit very few insiders and impoverish everyone else over time. It's what happens when unaccountable bankers have free reign to do as they please when they please. But more importantly save countries from bankruptcy - who has the most at each stage in the process is the very definition of Capitalism." No country would be in this situation if governments could create money and credit themselves. If they can issue a IOU bond, why not interest free credit for productive purposes and social programs? | |||
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"With Uk now over 2 Trillion In debt ,record borrowing in August 36 billion what do you think they will do to balance the books before Uk is in very serious trouble ? Same as every other European country "Are germany in trouble? | |||
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"Printing Money has always been a good Quantitative Easing Strategy and the BoE has already started to look at it. It has been used the World over for since at least 1664. Writing off debt is another strategy - Internally there isn't a problem with it - Externally is more problematic because you need International Fiscal Agreements that won't disadvantage one Country against another. Quantitative easing and fractional reserve banking are at the root of the financial crisis. They benefit very few insiders and impoverish everyone else over time. It's what happens when unaccountable bankers have free reign to do as they please when they please." | |||
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"With Uk now over 2 Trillion In debt ,record borrowing in August 36 billion what do you think they will do to balance the books before Uk is in very serious trouble ? " Why are we in so much trouble after 10 years of austerity? | |||
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"Printing Money has always been a good Quantitative Easing Strategy and the BoE has already started to look at it. It has been used the World over for since at least 1664. Writing off debt is another strategy - Internally there isn't a problem with it - Externally is more problematic because you need International Fiscal Agreements that won't disadvantage one Country against another. Quantitative easing and fractional reserve banking are at the root of the financial crisis. They benefit very few insiders and impoverish everyone else over time. It's what happens when unaccountable bankers have free reign to do as they please when they please. But more importantly save countries from bankruptcy - who has the most at each stage in the process is the very definition of Capitalism. No country would be in this situation if governments could create money and credit themselves. If they can issue a IOU bond, why not interest free credit for productive purposes and social programs?" Because Social programmes leads to Socialism. Socialism leads to equality for all, if you have equality for all nobody works for anyone else over and above their own needs. Profit becomes irrelevant and then people start arguing why bother. And thus life goes down to the lowest denominator 'The Selfish ME' the very thing that Socialism seeks to render obsolete, and oops there goes Socialism. | |||
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"Printing Money has always been a good Quantitative Easing Strategy and the BoE has already started to look at it. It has been used the World over for since at least 1664. Writing off debt is another strategy - Internally there isn't a problem with it - Externally is more problematic because you need International Fiscal Agreements that won't disadvantage one Country against another. " Printing money is never a good option in any scenario if the economy was run correctly. Quantitative easing creates more money which in turn de-values your money (savings, pensions, buying power etc) it's a form of theft that governments use to hide mistakes and steal from tax payers. Unfortunately most people don't realise this. | |||
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"Printing Money has always been a good Quantitative Easing Strategy and the BoE has already started to look at it. It has been used the World over for since at least 1664. Writing off debt is another strategy - Internally there isn't a problem with it - Externally is more problematic because you need International Fiscal Agreements that won't disadvantage one Country against another. Quantitative easing and fractional reserve banking are at the root of the financial crisis. They benefit very few insiders and impoverish everyone else over time. It's what happens when unaccountable bankers have free reign to do as they please when they please. But more importantly save countries from bankruptcy - who has the most at each stage in the process is the very definition of Capitalism. No country would be in this situation if governments could create money and credit themselves. If they can issue a IOU bond, why not interest free credit for productive purposes and social programs? Because Social programmes leads to Socialism. Socialism leads to equality for all, if you have equality for all nobody works for anyone else over and above their own needs. Profit becomes irrelevant and then people start arguing why bother. And thus life goes down to the lowest denominator 'The Selfish ME' the very thing that Socialism seeks to render obsolete, and oops there goes Socialism. " So equality is a bad thing? | |||
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"Printing Money has always been a good Quantitative Easing Strategy and the BoE has already started to look at it. It has been used the World over for since at least 1664. Writing off debt is another strategy - Internally there isn't a problem with it - Externally is more problematic because you need International Fiscal Agreements that won't disadvantage one Country against another. Quantitative easing and fractional reserve banking are at the root of the financial crisis. They benefit very few insiders and impoverish everyone else over time. It's what happens when unaccountable bankers have free reign to do as they please when they please. But more importantly save countries from bankruptcy - who has the most at each stage in the process is the very definition of Capitalism. No country would be in this situation if governments could create money and credit themselves. If they can issue a IOU bond, why not interest free credit for productive purposes and social programs? Because Social programmes leads to Socialism. Socialism leads to equality for all, if you have equality for all nobody works for anyone else over and above their own needs. Profit becomes irrelevant and then people start arguing why bother. And thus life goes down to the lowest denominator 'The Selfish ME' the very thing that Socialism seeks to render obsolete, and oops there goes Socialism. So equality is a bad thing? " No. Not what I said. Socialism does not lead to equality it leads to a workforce/population no longer prepared to do anything more than just enough for themselves. | |||
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"As a country have we ever had so much debt our entire GDP of one year ? " We are still at a lower proportion of GDP than most European countries including France, Spain, Italy etc Only bettered by Germany | |||
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"With Uk now over 2 Trillion In debt ,record borrowing in August 36 billion what do you think they will do to balance the books before Uk is in very serious trouble ? Why are we in so much trouble after 10 years of austerity?" A worldwide pandemic maybe ? | |||
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"Printing Money has always been a good Quantitative Easing Strategy and the BoE has already started to look at it. It has been used the World over for since at least 1664. Writing off debt is another strategy - Internally there isn't a problem with it - Externally is more problematic because you need International Fiscal Agreements that won't disadvantage one Country against another. Quantitative easing and fractional reserve banking are at the root of the financial crisis. They benefit very few insiders and impoverish everyone else over time. It's what happens when unaccountable bankers have free reign to do as they please when they please. But more importantly save countries from bankruptcy - who has the most at each stage in the process is the very definition of Capitalism. No country would be in this situation if governments could create money and credit themselves. If they can issue a IOU bond, why not interest free credit for productive purposes and social programs? Because Social programmes leads to Socialism. Socialism leads to equality for all, if you have equality for all nobody works for anyone else over and above their own needs. Profit becomes irrelevant and then people start arguing why bother. And thus life goes down to the lowest denominator 'The Selfish ME' the very thing that Socialism seeks to render obsolete, and oops there goes Socialism. So equality is a bad thing? " Unfortunately the only ways we know or have tried to achieve it fail. We are animals, competition and hierarchy are very natural things that create order and progress | |||
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"With Uk now over 2 Trillion In debt ,record borrowing in August 36 billion what do you think they will do to balance the books before Uk is in very serious trouble ? Why are we in so much trouble after 10 years of austerity?" Because austerity did not touch the overall debt UK is in | |||
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"With Uk now over 2 Trillion In debt ,record borrowing in August 36 billion what do you think they will do to balance the books before Uk is in very serious trouble ? Why are we in so much trouble after 10 years of austerity? A worldwide pandemic maybe ?" Have we paid out 2 trillion on the last 6 months? | |||
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"Printing Money has always been a good Quantitative Easing Strategy and the BoE has already started to look at it. It has been used the World over for since at least 1664. Writing off debt is another strategy - Internally there isn't a problem with it - Externally is more problematic because you need International Fiscal Agreements that won't disadvantage one Country against another. Quantitative easing and fractional reserve banking are at the root of the financial crisis. They benefit very few insiders and impoverish everyone else over time. It's what happens when unaccountable bankers have free reign to do as they please when they please. But more importantly save countries from bankruptcy - who has the most at each stage in the process is the very definition of Capitalism. No country would be in this situation if governments could create money and credit themselves. If they can issue a IOU bond, why not interest free credit for productive purposes and social programs? Because Social programmes leads to Socialism. Socialism leads to equality for all, if you have equality for all nobody works for anyone else over and above their own needs. Profit becomes irrelevant and then people start arguing why bother. And thus life goes down to the lowest denominator 'The Selfish ME' the very thing that Socialism seeks to render obsolete, and oops there goes Socialism. So equality is a bad thing? Unfortunately the only ways we know or have tried to achieve it fail. We are animals, competition and hierarchy are very natural things that create order and progress " Succinctly put | |||
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"With Uk now over 2 Trillion In debt ,record borrowing in August 36 billion what do you think they will do to balance the books before Uk is in very serious trouble ? " Of course we're in serious trouble. Does anyone think there are no consequences to crashing the world economy and just printing 'funny money'? There is a might crash coming and millions of job loses. The housing market is of course just a big Ponzi scheme waiting to unwind No doubt about it, it's just a matter of when. Probably a currency collapse, a percentage (all?) of all savings taken by the government. New crypto currency once the pound has collapsed and everyones' savings are gone? Who knows but if you think you can just keep printing money and paying people to do nothing you are insane. Meanwhile money has been moved up to the billionaires faster than ever during this crisis. All for a disease that 99.97% of people survive. | |||
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"With Uk now over 2 Trillion In debt ,record borrowing in August 36 billion what do you think they will do to balance the books before Uk is in very serious trouble ? Why are we in so much trouble after 10 years of austerity? A worldwide pandemic maybe ? Have we paid out 2 trillion on the last 6 months?" No but that's why we are in trouble like most of the world or is it just Britain's and the Torys problem? | |||
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"Printing Money has always been a good Quantitative Easing Strategy and the BoE has already started to look at it. It has been used the World over for since at least 1664. Writing off debt is another strategy - Internally there isn't a problem with it - Externally is more problematic because you need International Fiscal Agreements that won't disadvantage one Country against another. Quantitative easing and fractional reserve banking are at the root of the financial crisis. They benefit very few insiders and impoverish everyone else over time. It's what happens when unaccountable bankers have free reign to do as they please when they please. But more importantly save countries from bankruptcy - who has the most at each stage in the process is the very definition of Capitalism. No country would be in this situation if governments could create money and credit themselves. If they can issue a IOU bond, why not interest free credit for productive purposes and social programs? Because Social programmes leads to Socialism. Socialism leads to equality for all, if you have equality for all nobody works for anyone else over and above their own needs. Profit becomes irrelevant and then people start arguing why bother. And thus life goes down to the lowest denominator 'The Selfish ME' the very thing that Socialism seeks to render obsolete, and oops there goes Socialism. So equality is a bad thing? No. Not what I said. Socialism does not lead to equality it leads to a workforce/population no longer prepared to do anything more than just enough for themselves. " I actually partly agree with you but only because we have been taught greed is the be all and end all. Primitive...not sure if that's the right word..traditional communities were together as a unit..so I think you are wrong to say that it never works . It just doesnt work with consumerism and capitalism. | |||
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"With Uk now over 2 Trillion In debt ,record borrowing in August 36 billion what do you think they will do to balance the books before Uk is in very serious trouble ? Of course we're in serious trouble. Does anyone think there are no consequences to crashing the world economy and just printing 'funny money'? There is a might crash coming and millions of job loses. The housing market is of course just a big Ponzi scheme waiting to unwind No doubt about it, it's just a matter of when. Probably a currency collapse, a percentage (all?) of all savings taken by the government. New crypto currency once the pound has collapsed and everyones' savings are gone? Who knows but if you think you can just keep printing money and paying people to do nothing you are insane. Meanwhile money has been moved up to the billionaires faster than ever during this crisis. All for a disease that 99.97% of people survive." Totally agree with what you Have said ,unfortunately there is going to be one hell of a crash | |||
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"With Uk now over 2 Trillion In debt ,record borrowing in August 36 billion what do you think they will do to balance the books before Uk is in very serious trouble ? " I'm still more worried about the financial effect of Brexit to be honest. | |||
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"China is licking its lips." Being a Communist State - those that are the Power base are licking their lips. The general populace not so. | |||
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"With Uk now over 2 Trillion In debt ,record borrowing in August 36 billion what do you think they will do to balance the books before Uk is in very serious trouble ? Why are we in so much trouble after 10 years of austerity? A worldwide pandemic maybe ? Have we paid out 2 trillion on the last 6 months? No but that's why we are in trouble like most of the world or is it just Britain's and the Torys problem?" So it's not the world wide pandemic then? The money will be recouped in increased tax So where did the trillions of debt come from and why are we the worst hit in Europe? | |||
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" All for a disease that 99.97% of people survive." And the survival rate is 100% due to the restrictions imposed, so what's your point ? | |||
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"With Uk now over 2 Trillion In debt ,record borrowing in August 36 billion what do you think they will do to balance the books before Uk is in very serious trouble ? Why are we in so much trouble after 10 years of austerity? A worldwide pandemic maybe ? Have we paid out 2 trillion on the last 6 months? No but that's why we are in trouble like most of the world or is it just Britain's and the Torys problem? So it's not the world wide pandemic then? The money will be recouped in increased tax So where did the trillions of debt come from and why are we the worst hit in Europe?" We are far from the worst economy wise ?? | |||
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"With Uk now over 2 Trillion In debt ,record borrowing in August 36 billion what do you think they will do to balance the books before Uk is in very serious trouble ? I'm still more worried about the financial effect of Brexit to be honest." I'm sure everything will be blamed on covid. | |||
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"Printing Money has always been a good Quantitative Easing Strategy and the BoE has already started to look at it. It has been used the World over for since at least 1664. Writing off debt is another strategy - Internally there isn't a problem with it - Externally is more problematic because you need International Fiscal Agreements that won't disadvantage one Country against another. Quantitative easing and fractional reserve banking are at the root of the financial crisis. They benefit very few insiders and impoverish everyone else over time. It's what happens when unaccountable bankers have free reign to do as they please when they please. But more importantly save countries from bankruptcy - who has the most at each stage in the process is the very definition of Capitalism. No country would be in this situation if governments could create money and credit themselves. If they can issue a IOU bond, why not interest free credit for productive purposes and social programs? Because Social programmes leads to Socialism. Socialism leads to equality for all, if you have equality for all nobody works for anyone else over and above their own needs. Profit becomes irrelevant and then people start arguing why bother. And thus life goes down to the lowest denominator 'The Selfish ME' the very thing that Socialism seeks to render obsolete, and oops there goes Socialism. So equality is a bad thing? No. Not what I said. Socialism does not lead to equality it leads to a workforce/population no longer prepared to do anything more than just enough for themselves. I actually partly agree with you but only because we have been taught greed is the be all and end all. Primitive...not sure if that's the right word..traditional communities were together as a unit..so I think you are wrong to say that it never works . It just doesnt work with consumerism and capitalism. " There isn't a Model yet that has been tried that works as well as Capitalism. With regard to Freedom and Relative Wealth and Health of the population. Sadly. | |||
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"With Uk now over 2 Trillion In debt ,record borrowing in August 36 billion what do you think they will do to balance the books before Uk is in very serious trouble ? Why are we in so much trouble after 10 years of austerity? A worldwide pandemic maybe ? Have we paid out 2 trillion on the last 6 months? No but that's why we are in trouble like most of the world or is it just Britain's and the Torys problem? So it's not the world wide pandemic then? The money will be recouped in increased tax So where did the trillions of debt come from and why are we the worst hit in Europe? We are far from the worst economy wise ??" https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/business-53918568 | |||
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"With Uk now over 2 Trillion In debt ,record borrowing in August 36 billion what do you think they will do to balance the books before Uk is in very serious trouble ? Why are we in so much trouble after 10 years of austerity? A worldwide pandemic maybe ? Have we paid out 2 trillion on the last 6 months? No but that's why we are in trouble like most of the world or is it just Britain's and the Torys problem? So it's not the world wide pandemic then? The money will be recouped in increased tax So where did the trillions of debt come from and why are we the worst hit in Europe?" Yawn . Everything is the torys fault . Over and over and over again. I am glad I sit in the middle ground of politics. It gets so boring watching the left and right bitching about each other. Your party lost 4 in a row get over it. When your party gets into power the right will whinge about everything governmental. It's just a circle if shit. | |||
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"Printing Money has always been a good Quantitative Easing Strategy and the BoE has already started to look at it. It has been used the World over for since at least 1664. Writing off debt is another strategy - Internally there isn't a problem with it - Externally is more problematic because you need International Fiscal Agreements that won't disadvantage one Country against another. Quantitative easing and fractional reserve banking are at the root of the financial crisis. They benefit very few insiders and impoverish everyone else over time. It's what happens when unaccountable bankers have free reign to do as they please when they please. But more importantly save countries from bankruptcy - who has the most at each stage in the process is the very definition of Capitalism. No country would be in this situation if governments could create money and credit themselves. If they can issue a IOU bond, why not interest free credit for productive purposes and social programs? Because Social programmes leads to Socialism. Socialism leads to equality for all, if you have equality for all nobody works for anyone else over and above their own needs. Profit becomes irrelevant and then people start arguing why bother. And thus life goes down to the lowest denominator 'The Selfish ME' the very thing that Socialism seeks to render obsolete, and oops there goes Socialism. So equality is a bad thing? No. Not what I said. Socialism does not lead to equality it leads to a workforce/population no longer prepared to do anything more than just enough for themselves. I actually partly agree with you but only because we have been taught greed is the be all and end all. Primitive...not sure if that's the right word..traditional communities were together as a unit..so I think you are wrong to say that it never works . It just doesnt work with consumerism and capitalism. There isn't a Model yet that has been tried that works as well as Capitalism. With regard to Freedom and Relative Wealth and Health of the population. Sadly." I'd say the Scandinavian model of socialism/capitalism is a much fairer system than what we have. Even the uk post war period was a better system . | |||
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"With Uk now over 2 Trillion In debt ,record borrowing in August 36 billion what do you think they will do to balance the books before Uk is in very serious trouble ? Why are we in so much trouble after 10 years of austerity? A worldwide pandemic maybe ? Have we paid out 2 trillion on the last 6 months? No but that's why we are in trouble like most of the world or is it just Britain's and the Torys problem? So it's not the world wide pandemic then? The money will be recouped in increased tax So where did the trillions of debt come from and why are we the worst hit in Europe? Yawn . Everything is the torys fault . Over and over and over again. I am glad I sit in the middle ground of politics. It gets so boring watching the left and right bitching about each other. Your party lost 4 in a row get over it. When your party gets into power the right will whinge about everything governmental. It's just a circle if shit." Superb argument. Well done. I doff my cap. | |||
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"With Uk now over 2 Trillion In debt ,record borrowing in August 36 billion what do you think they will do to balance the books before Uk is in very serious trouble ? Why are we in so much trouble after 10 years of austerity? A worldwide pandemic maybe ? Have we paid out 2 trillion on the last 6 months? No but that's why we are in trouble like most of the world or is it just Britain's and the Torys problem? So it's not the world wide pandemic then? The money will be recouped in increased tax So where did the trillions of debt come from and why are we the worst hit in Europe? We are far from the worst economy wise ?? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/business-53918568" Not great but still Keeping up below the overall borrowing of most European countries | |||
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"With Uk now over 2 Trillion In debt ,record borrowing in August 36 billion what do you think they will do to balance the books before Uk is in very serious trouble ? Why are we in so much trouble after 10 years of austerity? A worldwide pandemic maybe ? Have we paid out 2 trillion on the last 6 months? No but that's why we are in trouble like most of the world or is it just Britain's and the Torys problem? So it's not the world wide pandemic then? The money will be recouped in increased tax So where did the trillions of debt come from and why are we the worst hit in Europe? Yawn . Everything is the torys fault . Over and over and over again. I am glad I sit in the middle ground of politics. It gets so boring watching the left and right bitching about each other. Your party lost 4 in a row get over it. When your party gets into power the right will whinge about everything governmental. It's just a circle if shit. Superb argument. Well done. I doff my cap." It's all you spout. | |||
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"With Uk now over 2 Trillion In debt ,record borrowing in August 36 billion what do you think they will do to balance the books before Uk is in very serious trouble ? Why are we in so much trouble after 10 years of austerity? A worldwide pandemic maybe ? Have we paid out 2 trillion on the last 6 months? No but that's why we are in trouble like most of the world or is it just Britain's and the Torys problem? So it's not the world wide pandemic then? The money will be recouped in increased tax So where did the trillions of debt come from and why are we the worst hit in Europe? We are far from the worst economy wise ?? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/business-53918568 Not great but still Keeping up below the overall borrowing of most European countries " Not great with Brexit still to come. | |||
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"With Uk now over 2 Trillion In debt ,record borrowing in August 36 billion what do you think they will do to balance the books before Uk is in very serious trouble ? Why are we in so much trouble after 10 years of austerity? A worldwide pandemic maybe ? Have we paid out 2 trillion on the last 6 months? No but that's why we are in trouble like most of the world or is it just Britain's and the Torys problem? So it's not the world wide pandemic then? The money will be recouped in increased tax So where did the trillions of debt come from and why are we the worst hit in Europe? Yawn . Everything is the torys fault . Over and over and over again. I am glad I sit in the middle ground of politics. It gets so boring watching the left and right bitching about each other. Your party lost 4 in a row get over it. When your party gets into power the right will whinge about everything governmental. It's just a circle if shit. Superb argument. Well done. I doff my cap. It's all you spout. " Try getting something right then. | |||
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"With Uk now over 2 Trillion In debt ,record borrowing in August 36 billion what do you think they will do to balance the books before Uk is in very serious trouble ? Why are we in so much trouble after 10 years of austerity? A worldwide pandemic maybe ? Have we paid out 2 trillion on the last 6 months? No but that's why we are in trouble like most of the world or is it just Britain's and the Torys problem? So it's not the world wide pandemic then? The money will be recouped in increased tax So where did the trillions of debt come from and why are we the worst hit in Europe? Yawn . Everything is the torys fault . Over and over and over again. I am glad I sit in the middle ground of politics. It gets so boring watching the left and right bitching about each other. Your party lost 4 in a row get over it. When your party gets into power the right will whinge about everything governmental. It's just a circle if shit. Superb argument. Well done. I doff my cap. It's all you spout. Try getting something right then." Who ? | |||
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"With Uk now over 2 Trillion In debt ,record borrowing in August 36 billion what do you think they will do to balance the books before Uk is in very serious trouble ? Why are we in so much trouble after 10 years of austerity? A worldwide pandemic maybe ? Have we paid out 2 trillion on the last 6 months? No but that's why we are in trouble like most of the world or is it just Britain's and the Torys problem? So it's not the world wide pandemic then? The money will be recouped in increased tax So where did the trillions of debt come from and why are we the worst hit in Europe? We are far from the worst economy wise ?? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/business-53918568 Not great but still Keeping up below the overall borrowing of most European countries Not great with Brexit still to come."  it could be mate we will only have to pay our own debt not 1/2 of Europe's. | |||
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"With Uk now over 2 Trillion In debt ,record borrowing in August 36 billion what do you think they will do to balance the books before Uk is in very serious trouble ? Why are we in so much trouble after 10 years of austerity? A worldwide pandemic maybe ? Have we paid out 2 trillion on the last 6 months? No but that's why we are in trouble like most of the world or is it just Britain's and the Torys problem? So it's not the world wide pandemic then? The money will be recouped in increased tax So where did the trillions of debt come from and why are we the worst hit in Europe? Yawn . Everything is the torys fault . Over and over and over again. I am glad I sit in the middle ground of politics. It gets so boring watching the left and right bitching about each other. Your party lost 4 in a row get over it. When your party gets into power the right will whinge about everything governmental. It's just a circle if shit. Superb argument. Well done. I doff my cap. It's all you spout. Try getting something right then. Who ?" You said we were 2 trillion in debt due to the pandemic. Utter nonsense. | |||
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"As a country have we ever had so much debt our entire GDP of one year ? " does it matter? as a planet have we ever had so much debt in one year? we’ve also never had a global pandemic in a 21st century world ... current (pre covid) economies cant be compared to when the spanish flue was about , neither can the expectations we have now of economy vs life as back then the medical knowledge we have now for it to be a consideration didn’t even exist with things like the furlough scheme, the government have taken national debt in place of business and personal debt ... would you rather we just ask for all the furlough payments back, get the debt down and let individuals deal with the fall out? | |||
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"With Uk now over 2 Trillion In debt ,record borrowing in August 36 billion what do you think they will do to balance the books before Uk is in very serious trouble ? Why are we in so much trouble after 10 years of austerity? A worldwide pandemic maybe ? Have we paid out 2 trillion on the last 6 months? No but that's why we are in trouble like most of the world or is it just Britain's and the Torys problem? So it's not the world wide pandemic then? The money will be recouped in increased tax So where did the trillions of debt come from and why are we the worst hit in Europe? We are far from the worst economy wise ?? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/business-53918568 Not great but still Keeping up below the overall borrowing of most European countries Not great with Brexit still to come. it could be mate we will only have to pay our own debt not 1/2 of Europe's."In the long term I reckon we will very much all benefit | |||
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"With Uk now over 2 Trillion In debt ,record borrowing in August 36 billion what do you think they will do to balance the books before Uk is in very serious trouble ? Why are we in so much trouble after 10 years of austerity? A worldwide pandemic maybe ? Have we paid out 2 trillion on the last 6 months? No but that's why we are in trouble like most of the world or is it just Britain's and the Torys problem? So it's not the world wide pandemic then? The money will be recouped in increased tax So where did the trillions of debt come from and why are we the worst hit in Europe? We are far from the worst economy wise ?? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/business-53918568 Not great but still Keeping up below the overall borrowing of most European countries Not great with Brexit still to come. Agreed but again in France they also fear Brexit will increase their borrowing as the balance of trade between the 2 countries is heavily French so they are indeed feeling in the shit too " But at least they have something to fall back on. We are on our own..and The negatives are already being hidden under covid. | |||
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"With Uk now over 2 Trillion In debt ,record borrowing in August 36 billion what do you think they will do to balance the books before Uk is in very serious trouble ? Why are we in so much trouble after 10 years of austerity? A worldwide pandemic maybe ? Have we paid out 2 trillion on the last 6 months? No but that's why we are in trouble like most of the world or is it just Britain's and the Torys problem? So it's not the world wide pandemic then? The money will be recouped in increased tax So where did the trillions of debt come from and why are we the worst hit in Europe? Yawn . Everything is the torys fault . Over and over and over again. I am glad I sit in the middle ground of politics. It gets so boring watching the left and right bitching about each other. Your party lost 4 in a row get over it. When your party gets into power the right will whinge about everything governmental. It's just a circle if shit. Superb argument. Well done. I doff my cap. It's all you spout. Try getting something right then. Who ? You said we were 2 trillion in debt due to the pandemic. Utter nonsense. " Lol I better leave it here. I might get another timeout.  | |||
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"Printing Money has always been a good Quantitative Easing Strategy and the BoE has already started to look at it. It has been used the World over for since at least 1664. Writing off debt is another strategy - Internally there isn't a problem with it - Externally is more problematic because you need International Fiscal Agreements that won't disadvantage one Country against another. Quantitative easing and fractional reserve banking are at the root of the financial crisis. They benefit very few insiders and impoverish everyone else over time. It's what happens when unaccountable bankers have free reign to do as they please when they please. But more importantly save countries from bankruptcy - who has the most at each stage in the process is the very definition of Capitalism. No country would be in this situation if governments could create money and credit themselves. If they can issue a IOU bond, why not interest free credit for productive purposes and social programs? Because Social programmes leads to Socialism. Socialism leads to equality for all, if you have equality for all nobody works for anyone else over and above their own needs. Profit becomes irrelevant and then people start arguing why bother. And thus life goes down to the lowest denominator 'The Selfish ME' the very thing that Socialism seeks to render obsolete, and oops there goes Socialism. So equality is a bad thing? " if thats what you take from it ..: i read it as race to the bottom is a bad thing ... if all levels of effort award the same return why would anyone ever try | |||
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Instead..thatss not really true whatsoever is it?"Well it is , wrt we will not be continuing subsidising the Europeans but short term it is going to be tough times | |||
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"As a country have we ever had so much debt our entire GDP of one year ? does it matter? as a planet have we ever had so much debt in one year? we’ve also never had a global pandemic in a 21st century world ... current (pre covid) economies cant be compared to when the spanish flue was about , neither can the expectations we have now of economy vs life as back then the medical knowledge we have now for it to be a consideration didn’t even exist with things like the furlough scheme, the government have taken national debt in place of business and personal debt ... would you rather we just ask for all the furlough payments back, get the debt down and let individuals deal with the fall out? " That furlough money will be recouped.Every last penny. The problem is going to be the amount of businesses which have gone under. It's going to be no easy task sorting that out. | |||
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Are you basing that on anything?"On the basis we will finally be free of the bearocratic nonsense and trade limitations than the market has imposed ! | |||
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Instead..thatss not really true whatsoever is it?
Well it is , wrt we will not be continuing subsidising the Europeans but short term it is going to be tough times "We dont pay for half of europe Fact. | |||
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In the long term I reckon we will very much all benefit
Are you basing that on anything?
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Instead..thatss not really true whatsoever is it?
Well it is , wrt we will not be continuing subsidising the Europeans but short term it is going to be tough times
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"Printing Money has always been a good Quantitative Easing Strategy and the BoE has already started to look at it. It has been used the World over for since at least 1664. Writing off debt is another strategy - Internally there isn't a problem with it - Externally is more problematic because you need International Fiscal Agreements that won't disadvantage one Country against another. Quantitative easing and fractional reserve banking are at the root of the financial crisis. They benefit very few insiders and impoverish everyone else over time. It's what happens when unaccountable bankers have free reign to do as they please when they please. But more importantly save countries from bankruptcy - who has the most at each stage in the process is the very definition of Capitalism. No country would be in this situation if governments could create money and credit themselves. If they can issue a IOU bond, why not interest free credit for productive purposes and social programs? Because Social programmes leads to Socialism. Socialism leads to equality for all, if you have equality for all nobody works for anyone else over and above their own needs. Profit becomes irrelevant and then people start arguing why bother. And thus life goes down to the lowest denominator 'The Selfish ME' the very thing that Socialism seeks to render obsolete, and oops there goes Socialism. So equality is a bad thing? No. Not what I said. Socialism does not lead to equality it leads to a workforce/population no longer prepared to do anything more than just enough for themselves. I actually partly agree with you but only because we have been taught greed is the be all and end all. Primitive...not sure if that's the right word..traditional communities were together as a unit..so I think you are wrong to say that it never works . It just doesnt work with consumerism and capitalism. There isn't a Model yet that has been tried that works as well as Capitalism. With regard to Freedom and Relative Wealth and Health of the population. Sadly. I'd say the Scandinavian model of socialism/capitalism is a much fairer system than what we have. Even the uk post war period was a better system ." how many discussions even just on this forum have demonstrated that we dont have the same values as scandanavian countries ... people like to look at things in isolation but without the other bits of the jigsaw it just doesnt work | |||
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"Printing Money has always been a good Quantitative Easing Strategy and the BoE has already started to look at it. It has been used the World over for since at least 1664. Writing off debt is another strategy - Internally there isn't a problem with it - Externally is more problematic because you need International Fiscal Agreements that won't disadvantage one Country against another. Quantitative easing and fractional reserve banking are at the root of the financial crisis. They benefit very few insiders and impoverish everyone else over time. It's what happens when unaccountable bankers have free reign to do as they please when they please. But more importantly save countries from bankruptcy - who has the most at each stage in the process is the very definition of Capitalism. No country would be in this situation if governments could create money and credit themselves. If they can issue a IOU bond, why not interest free credit for productive purposes and social programs? Because Social programmes leads to Socialism. Socialism leads to equality for all, if you have equality for all nobody works for anyone else over and above their own needs. Profit becomes irrelevant and then people start arguing why bother. And thus life goes down to the lowest denominator 'The Selfish ME' the very thing that Socialism seeks to render obsolete, and oops there goes Socialism. So equality is a bad thing? if thats what you take from it ..: i read it as race to the bottom is a bad thing ... if all levels of effort award the same return why would anyone ever try " Because it's not the same return If under socialism you were a business leader and a cleaner..you wouldn't be earning the same money? | |||
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"Printing Money has always been a good Quantitative Easing Strategy and the BoE has already started to look at it. It has been used the World over for since at least 1664. Writing off debt is another strategy - Internally there isn't a problem with it - Externally is more problematic because you need International Fiscal Agreements that won't disadvantage one Country against another. Quantitative easing and fractional reserve banking are at the root of the financial crisis. They benefit very few insiders and impoverish everyone else over time. It's what happens when unaccountable bankers have free reign to do as they please when they please. But more importantly save countries from bankruptcy - who has the most at each stage in the process is the very definition of Capitalism. No country would be in this situation if governments could create money and credit themselves. If they can issue a IOU bond, why not interest free credit for productive purposes and social programs? Because Social programmes leads to Socialism. Socialism leads to equality for all, if you have equality for all nobody works for anyone else over and above their own needs. Profit becomes irrelevant and then people start arguing why bother. And thus life goes down to the lowest denominator 'The Selfish ME' the very thing that Socialism seeks to render obsolete, and oops there goes Socialism. So equality is a bad thing? if thats what you take from it ..: i read it as race to the bottom is a bad thing ... if all levels of effort award the same return why would anyone ever try " Thats why I left local authority employment a few year back. It ran a bonus scheme the harder you worked the more you made. A few years down the road they decided to put us all on the same bonus. The grafters and the lazy fockers were then on the same money. You can imagine what happened to the people who used to work hard for their money. | |||
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"Printing Money has always been a good Quantitative Easing Strategy and the BoE has already started to look at it. It has been used the World over for since at least 1664. Writing off debt is another strategy - Internally there isn't a problem with it - Externally is more problematic because you need International Fiscal Agreements that won't disadvantage one Country against another. Quantitative easing and fractional reserve banking are at the root of the financial crisis. They benefit very few insiders and impoverish everyone else over time. It's what happens when unaccountable bankers have free reign to do as they please when they please. But more importantly save countries from bankruptcy - who has the most at each stage in the process is the very definition of Capitalism. No country would be in this situation if governments could create money and credit themselves. If they can issue a IOU bond, why not interest free credit for productive purposes and social programs? Because Social programmes leads to Socialism. Socialism leads to equality for all, if you have equality for all nobody works for anyone else over and above their own needs. Profit becomes irrelevant and then people start arguing why bother. And thus life goes down to the lowest denominator 'The Selfish ME' the very thing that Socialism seeks to render obsolete, and oops there goes Socialism. So equality is a bad thing? No. Not what I said. Socialism does not lead to equality it leads to a workforce/population no longer prepared to do anything more than just enough for themselves. I actually partly agree with you but only because we have been taught greed is the be all and end all. Primitive...not sure if that's the right word..traditional communities were together as a unit..so I think you are wrong to say that it never works . It just doesnt work with consumerism and capitalism. There isn't a Model yet that has been tried that works as well as Capitalism. With regard to Freedom and Relative Wealth and Health of the population. Sadly. I'd say the Scandinavian model of socialism/capitalism is a much fairer system than what we have. Even the uk post war period was a better system . how many discussions even just on this forum have demonstrated that we dont have the same values as scandanavian countries ... people like to look at things in isolation but without the other bits of the jigsaw it just doesnt work " That's not really the point. It was argued that outright capitalism is the best system around. | |||
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"With Uk now over 2 Trillion In debt ,record borrowing in August 36 billion what do you think they will do to balance the books before Uk is in very serious trouble ? Why are we in so much trouble after 10 years of austerity? A worldwide pandemic maybe ? Have we paid out 2 trillion on the last 6 months? No but that's why we are in trouble like most of the world or is it just Britain's and the Torys problem? So it's not the world wide pandemic then? The money will be recouped in increased tax So where did the trillions of debt come from and why are we the worst hit in Europe? We are far from the worst economy wise ?? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/business-53918568 Not great but still Keeping up below the overall borrowing of most European countries Not great with Brexit still to come. it could be mate we will only have to pay our own debt not 1/2 of Europe's.
Instead..thatss not really true whatsoever is it?
Well it is , wrt we will not be continuing subsidising the Europeans but short term it is going to be tough times
We dont pay for half of europe
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"Printing Money has always been a good Quantitative Easing Strategy and the BoE has already started to look at it. It has been used the World over for since at least 1664. Writing off debt is another strategy - Internally there isn't a problem with it - Externally is more problematic because you need International Fiscal Agreements that won't disadvantage one Country against another. Quantitative easing and fractional reserve banking are at the root of the financial crisis. They benefit very few insiders and impoverish everyone else over time. It's what happens when unaccountable bankers have free reign to do as they please when they please. But more importantly save countries from bankruptcy - who has the most at each stage in the process is the very definition of Capitalism. No country would be in this situation if governments could create money and credit themselves. If they can issue a IOU bond, why not interest free credit for productive purposes and social programs? Because Social programmes leads to Socialism. Socialism leads to equality for all, if you have equality for all nobody works for anyone else over and above their own needs. Profit becomes irrelevant and then people start arguing why bother. And thus life goes down to the lowest denominator 'The Selfish ME' the very thing that Socialism seeks to render obsolete, and oops there goes Socialism. So equality is a bad thing? if thats what you take from it ..: i read it as race to the bottom is a bad thing ... if all levels of effort award the same return why would anyone ever try Thats why I left local authority employment a few year back. It ran a bonus scheme the harder you worked the more you made. A few years down the road they decided to put us all on the same bonus. The grafters and the lazy fockers were then on the same money. You can imagine what happened to the people who used to work hard for their money. i work in the private sector and we also removed performance related bonuses a few years ago and as such my bonus halved and due to salary banding i now get less than members of my team i spend half my week carrying.., it will definitely be a factor in deciding my next role " | |||
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"Printing Money has always been a good Quantitative Easing Strategy and the BoE has already started to look at it. It has been used the World over for since at least 1664. Writing off debt is another strategy - Internally there isn't a problem with it - Externally is more problematic because you need International Fiscal Agreements that won't disadvantage one Country against another. Quantitative easing and fractional reserve banking are at the root of the financial crisis. They benefit very few insiders and impoverish everyone else over time. It's what happens when unaccountable bankers have free reign to do as they please when they please. But more importantly save countries from bankruptcy - who has the most at each stage in the process is the very definition of Capitalism. No country would be in this situation if governments could create money and credit themselves. If they can issue a IOU bond, why not interest free credit for productive purposes and social programs? Because Social programmes leads to Socialism. Socialism leads to equality for all, if you have equality for all nobody works for anyone else over and above their own needs. Profit becomes irrelevant and then people start arguing why bother. And thus life goes down to the lowest denominator 'The Selfish ME' the very thing that Socialism seeks to render obsolete, and oops there goes Socialism. So equality is a bad thing? if thats what you take from it ..: i read it as race to the bottom is a bad thing ... if all levels of effort award the same return why would anyone ever try Thats why I left local authority employment a few year back. It ran a bonus scheme the harder you worked the more you made. A few years down the road they decided to put us all on the same bonus. The grafters and the lazy fockers were then on the same money. You can imagine what happened to the people who used to work hard for their money. " If they were that bad in their job why were they not pulled? | |||
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"With Uk now over 2 Trillion In debt ,record borrowing in August 36 billion what do you think they will do to balance the books before Uk is in very serious trouble ? Why are we in so much trouble after 10 years of austerity? A worldwide pandemic maybe ? Have we paid out 2 trillion on the last 6 months? No but that's why we are in trouble like most of the world or is it just Britain's and the Torys problem? So it's not the world wide pandemic then? The money will be recouped in increased tax So where did the trillions of debt come from and why are we the worst hit in Europe? We are far from the worst economy wise ?? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/business-53918568 Not great but still Keeping up below the overall borrowing of most European countries Not great with Brexit still to come. it could be mate we will only have to pay our own debt not 1/2 of Europe's.
Instead..thatss not really true whatsoever is it?
Well it is , wrt we will not be continuing subsidising the Europeans but short term it is going to be tough times
We dont pay for half of europe
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Not half but beyond our fair share "Exactly it was a term of phrase not meant to be taken literally but as a former net contributor we would have been paying for it big time. | |||
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"With Uk now over 2 Trillion In debt ,record borrowing in August 36 billion what do you think they will do to balance the books before Uk is in very serious trouble ? Why are we in so much trouble after 10 years of austerity? A worldwide pandemic maybe ? Have we paid out 2 trillion on the last 6 months? No but that's why we are in trouble like most of the world or is it just Britain's and the Torys problem? So it's not the world wide pandemic then? The money will be recouped in increased tax So where did the trillions of debt come from and why are we the worst hit in Europe? We are far from the worst economy wise ?? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/business-53918568 Not great but still Keeping up below the overall borrowing of most European countries Not great with Brexit still to come. it could be mate we will only have to pay our own debt not 1/2 of Europe's.
Instead..thatss not really true whatsoever is it?
Well it is , wrt we will not be continuing subsidising the Europeans but short term it is going to be tough times
We dont pay for half of europe
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Not half but beyond our fair share
Well I'm sure we will have have unicorns shitting gold bricks in our front rooms now we are out."Again no but it progress .... | |||
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"Printing Money has always been a good Quantitative Easing Strategy and the BoE has already started to look at it. It has been used the World over for since at least 1664. Writing off debt is another strategy - Internally there isn't a problem with it - Externally is more problematic because you need International Fiscal Agreements that won't disadvantage one Country against another. Quantitative easing and fractional reserve banking are at the root of the financial crisis. They benefit very few insiders and impoverish everyone else over time. It's what happens when unaccountable bankers have free reign to do as they please when they please. But more importantly save countries from bankruptcy - who has the most at each stage in the process is the very definition of Capitalism. No country would be in this situation if governments could create money and credit themselves. If they can issue a IOU bond, why not interest free credit for productive purposes and social programs? Because Social programmes leads to Socialism. Socialism leads to equality for all, if you have equality for all nobody works for anyone else over and above their own needs. Profit becomes irrelevant and then people start arguing why bother. And thus life goes down to the lowest denominator 'The Selfish ME' the very thing that Socialism seeks to render obsolete, and oops there goes Socialism. So equality is a bad thing? if thats what you take from it ..: i read it as race to the bottom is a bad thing ... if all levels of effort award the same return why would anyone ever try Thats why I left local authority employment a few year back. It ran a bonus scheme the harder you worked the more you made. A few years down the road they decided to put us all on the same bonus. The grafters and the lazy fockers were then on the same money. You can imagine what happened to the people who used to work hard for their money. If they were that bad in their job why were they not pulled?" | |||
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"Printing Money has always been a good Quantitative Easing Strategy and the BoE has already started to look at it. It has been used the World over for since at least 1664. Writing off debt is another strategy - Internally there isn't a problem with it - Externally is more problematic because you need International Fiscal Agreements that won't disadvantage one Country against another. Quantitative easing and fractional reserve banking are at the root of the financial crisis. They benefit very few insiders and impoverish everyone else over time. It's what happens when unaccountable bankers have free reign to do as they please when they please. But more importantly save countries from bankruptcy - who has the most at each stage in the process is the very definition of Capitalism. No country would be in this situation if governments could create money and credit themselves. If they can issue a IOU bond, why not interest free credit for productive purposes and social programs? Because Social programmes leads to Socialism. Socialism leads to equality for all, if you have equality for all nobody works for anyone else over and above their own needs. Profit becomes irrelevant and then people start arguing why bother. And thus life goes down to the lowest denominator 'The Selfish ME' the very thing that Socialism seeks to render obsolete, and oops there goes Socialism. So equality is a bad thing? if thats what you take from it ..: i read it as race to the bottom is a bad thing ... if all levels of effort award the same return why would anyone ever try Thats why I left local authority employment a few year back. It ran a bonus scheme the harder you worked the more you made. A few years down the road they decided to put us all on the same bonus. The grafters and the lazy fockers were then on the same money. You can imagine what happened to the people who used to work hard for their money. i work in the private sector and we also removed performance related bonuses a few years ago and as such my bonus halved and due to salary banding i now get less than members of my team i spend half my week carrying.., it will definitely be a factor in deciding my next role " And If you are best mates with your manager you will be fine and if your manager has it in for you..you are not. | |||
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"Printing Money has always been a good Quantitative Easing Strategy and the BoE has already started to look at it. It has been used the World over for since at least 1664. Writing off debt is another strategy - Internally there isn't a problem with it - Externally is more problematic because you need International Fiscal Agreements that won't disadvantage one Country against another. Quantitative easing and fractional reserve banking are at the root of the financial crisis. They benefit very few insiders and impoverish everyone else over time. It's what happens when unaccountable bankers have free reign to do as they please when they please. But more importantly save countries from bankruptcy - who has the most at each stage in the process is the very definition of Capitalism. No country would be in this situation if governments could create money and credit themselves. If they can issue a IOU bond, why not interest free credit for productive purposes and social programs? Because Social programmes leads to Socialism. Socialism leads to equality for all, if you have equality for all nobody works for anyone else over and above their own needs. Profit becomes irrelevant and then people start arguing why bother. And thus life goes down to the lowest denominator 'The Selfish ME' the very thing that Socialism seeks to render obsolete, and oops there goes Socialism. So equality is a bad thing? if thats what you take from it ..: i read it as race to the bottom is a bad thing ... if all levels of effort award the same return why would anyone ever try Thats why I left local authority employment a few year back. It ran a bonus scheme the harder you worked the more you made. A few years down the road they decided to put us all on the same bonus. The grafters and the lazy fockers were then on the same money. You can imagine what happened to the people who used to work hard for their money. If they were that bad in their job why were they not pulled? "You said they did nothing Surely their performance was monitored? | |||
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"With Uk now over 2 Trillion In debt ,record borrowing in August 36 billion what do you think they will do to balance the books before Uk is in very serious trouble ? Why are we in so much trouble after 10 years of austerity? A worldwide pandemic maybe ? Have we paid out 2 trillion on the last 6 months? No but that's why we are in trouble like most of the world or is it just Britain's and the Torys problem? So it's not the world wide pandemic then? The money will be recouped in increased tax So where did the trillions of debt come from and why are we the worst hit in Europe? We are far from the worst economy wise ?? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/business-53918568 Not great but still Keeping up below the overall borrowing of most European countries Not great with Brexit still to come. it could be mate we will only have to pay our own debt not 1/2 of Europe's.
Instead..thatss not really true whatsoever is it?
Well it is , wrt we will not be continuing subsidising the Europeans but short term it is going to be tough times
We dont pay for half of europe
Fact.
Not half but beyond our fair share Exactly it was a term of phrase not meant to be taken literally but as a former net contributor we would have been paying for it big time."You really shouldn't believe everything you read in the mail | |||
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"“ If they were that bad in their job why were they not pulled?” i am not sure what sector/ type of business you work for but in any decent sized company it is almost impossible to manage someone out the door , performance plans are about as good as it gets and then the team get to the point where you accept that if you can at least get 60% capacity out of them and they get on with it without bugging you it at least frees you up to pick up their other 40% ... then they will be top of the list next time there is a reshuffle with redundancies and be rewarded with a package to leave but at least you are rid of the dead weight ... its pretty much standard practice " Public sector. I've known at least 6 people been booted in the last few years. It used to be very hard now it's a 3 stage progress on either performance or sickness. | |||
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"Printing Money has always been a good Quantitative Easing Strategy and the BoE has already started to look at it. It has been used the World over for since at least 1664. Writing off debt is another strategy - Internally there isn't a problem with it - Externally is more problematic because you need International Fiscal Agreements that won't disadvantage one Country against another. Quantitative easing and fractional reserve banking are at the root of the financial crisis. They benefit very few insiders and impoverish everyone else over time. It's what happens when unaccountable bankers have free reign to do as they please when they please. But more importantly save countries from bankruptcy - who has the most at each stage in the process is the very definition of Capitalism. No country would be in this situation if governments could create money and credit themselves. If they can issue a IOU bond, why not interest free credit for productive purposes and social programs? Because Social programmes leads to Socialism. Socialism leads to equality for all, if you have equality for all nobody works for anyone else over and above their own needs. Profit becomes irrelevant and then people start arguing why bother. And thus life goes down to the lowest denominator 'The Selfish ME' the very thing that Socialism seeks to render obsolete, and oops there goes Socialism. So equality is a bad thing? if thats what you take from it ..: i read it as race to the bottom is a bad thing ... if all levels of effort award the same return why would anyone ever try Thats why I left local authority employment a few year back. It ran a bonus scheme the harder you worked the more you made. A few years down the road they decided to put us all on the same bonus. The grafters and the lazy fockers were then on the same money. You can imagine what happened to the people who used to work hard for their money. i work in the private sector and we also removed performance related bonuses a few years ago and as such my bonus halved and due to salary banding i now get less than members of my team i spend half my week carrying.., it will definitely be a factor in deciding my next role And If you are best mates with your manager you will be fine and if your manager has it in for you..you are not." my manager has no autonomy in over my bonus at all ... my department is marked on or off track so we all get same percentage of salary or none of us do ... so i am not sure i understand your point if you mean the performance element before then it wasn't decided by my manager either ... the grade above peer reviewed the next level down as a group to create a bell curve that had to be backed up with evidence and a range of feedback | |||
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"Printing Money has always been a good Quantitative Easing Strategy and the BoE has already started to look at it. It has been used the World over for since at least 1664. Writing off debt is another strategy - Internally there isn't a problem with it - Externally is more problematic because you need International Fiscal Agreements that won't disadvantage one Country against another. Quantitative easing and fractional reserve banking are at the root of the financial crisis. They benefit very few insiders and impoverish everyone else over time. It's what happens when unaccountable bankers have free reign to do as they please when they please. But more importantly save countries from bankruptcy - who has the most at each stage in the process is the very definition of Capitalism. No country would be in this situation if governments could create money and credit themselves. If they can issue a IOU bond, why not interest free credit for productive purposes and social programs? Because Social programmes leads to Socialism. Socialism leads to equality for all, if you have equality for all nobody works for anyone else over and above their own needs. Profit becomes irrelevant and then people start arguing why bother. And thus life goes down to the lowest denominator 'The Selfish ME' the very thing that Socialism seeks to render obsolete, and oops there goes Socialism. So equality is a bad thing? if thats what you take from it ..: i read it as race to the bottom is a bad thing ... if all levels of effort award the same return why would anyone ever try Thats why I left local authority employment a few year back. It ran a bonus scheme the harder you worked the more you made. A few years down the road they decided to put us all on the same bonus. The grafters and the lazy fockers were then on the same money. You can imagine what happened to the people who used to work hard for their money. i work in the private sector and we also removed performance related bonuses a few years ago and as such my bonus halved and due to salary banding i now get less than members of my team i spend half my week carrying.., it will definitely be a factor in deciding my next role And If you are best mates with your manager you will be fine and if your manager has it in for you..you are not. my manager has no autonomy in over my bonus at all ... my department is marked on or off track so we all get same percentage of salary or none of us do ... so i am not sure i understand your point if you mean the performance element before then it wasn't decided by my manager either ... the grade above peer reviewed the next level down as a group to create a bell curve that had to be backed up with evidence and a range of feedback" We are monitored by our manager. I've been in a situation before when you they clearly have favourite and considering they do your pdr/appraisal they have a huge impact. | |||
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"“ If they were that bad in their job why were they not pulled?” i am not sure what sector/ type of business you work for but in any decent sized company it is almost impossible to manage someone out the door , performance plans are about as good as it gets and then the team get to the point where you accept that if you can at least get 60% capacity out of them and they get on with it without bugging you it at least frees you up to pick up their other 40% ... then they will be top of the list next time there is a reshuffle with redundancies and be rewarded with a package to leave but at least you are rid of the dead weight ... its pretty much standard practice Public sector. I've known at least 6 people been booted in the last few years. It used to be very hard now it's a 3 stage progress on either performance or sickness. " You must of missed the few years comment. I still keep in touch with old workmates. They tell me alot of the lazy fockers are now in management within the organisation. Who ever said hard work goes a long way ? | |||
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"With Uk now over 2 Trillion In debt ,record borrowing in August 36 billion what do you think they will do to balance the books before Uk is in very serious trouble ? Why are we in so much trouble after 10 years of austerity? A worldwide pandemic maybe ? Have we paid out 2 trillion on the last 6 months? No but that's why we are in trouble like most of the world or is it just Britain's and the Torys problem? So it's not the world wide pandemic then? The money will be recouped in increased tax So where did the trillions of debt come from and why are we the worst hit in Europe? We are far from the worst economy wise ?? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/business-53918568 Not great but still Keeping up below the overall borrowing of most European countries Not great with Brexit still to come. it could be mate we will only have to pay our own debt not 1/2 of Europe's.
Instead..thatss not really true whatsoever is it?
Well it is , wrt we will not be continuing subsidising the Europeans but short term it is going to be tough times
We dont pay for half of europe
Fact.
Not half but beyond our fair share Exactly it was a term of phrase not meant to be taken literally but as a former net contributor we would have been paying for it big time.
You really shouldn't believe everything you read in the mail
"I dont read the daily mail  why do you think Denmark, Austria, Sweden and Holland kicked off and at least got the grants watered down? You can believe what you want mate but cant argue with facts.The fact is if we were still in we would be paying. | |||
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"“ If they were that bad in their job why were they not pulled?” i am not sure what sector/ type of business you work for but in any decent sized company it is almost impossible to manage someone out the door , performance plans are about as good as it gets and then the team get to the point where you accept that if you can at least get 60% capacity out of them and they get on with it without bugging you it at least frees you up to pick up their other 40% ... then they will be top of the list next time there is a reshuffle with redundancies and be rewarded with a package to leave but at least you are rid of the dead weight ... its pretty much standard practice Public sector. I've known at least 6 people been booted in the last few years. It used to be very hard now it's a 3 stage progress on either performance or sickness. You must of missed the few years comment. I still keep in touch with old workmates. They tell me alot of the lazy fockers are now in management within the organisation. Who ever said hard work goes a long way ?" never heard people say if a manager is rubbish push him up a level ... that way he impacts less people/ output | |||
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"“ If they were that bad in their job why were they not pulled?” i am not sure what sector/ type of business you work for but in any decent sized company it is almost impossible to manage someone out the door , performance plans are about as good as it gets and then the team get to the point where you accept that if you can at least get 60% capacity out of them and they get on with it without bugging you it at least frees you up to pick up their other 40% ... then they will be top of the list next time there is a reshuffle with redundancies and be rewarded with a package to leave but at least you are rid of the dead weight ... its pretty much standard practice Public sector. I've known at least 6 people been booted in the last few years. It used to be very hard now it's a 3 stage progress on either performance or sickness. You must of missed the few years comment. I still keep in touch with old workmates. They tell me alot of the lazy fockers are now in management within the organisation. Who ever said hard work goes a long way ?" The higher up you go the less work you do. I wont mention that goes upto the top. | |||
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"With Uk now over 2 Trillion In debt ,record borrowing in August 36 billion what do you think they will do to balance the books before Uk is in very serious trouble ? Why are we in so much trouble after 10 years of austerity? A worldwide pandemic maybe ? Have we paid out 2 trillion on the last 6 months? No but that's why we are in trouble like most of the world or is it just Britain's and the Torys problem? So it's not the world wide pandemic then? The money will be recouped in increased tax So where did the trillions of debt come from and why are we the worst hit in Europe? We are far from the worst economy wise ?? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/business-53918568 Not great but still Keeping up below the overall borrowing of most European countries Not great with Brexit still to come. it could be mate we will only have to pay our own debt not 1/2 of Europe's.
Instead..thatss not really true whatsoever is it?
Well it is , wrt we will not be continuing subsidising the Europeans but short term it is going to be tough times
We dont pay for half of europe
Fact.
Not half but beyond our fair share Exactly it was a term of phrase not meant to be taken literally but as a former net contributor we would have been paying for it big time.
You really shouldn't believe everything you read in the mail
I dont read the daily mail why do you think Denmark, Austria, Sweden and Holland kicked off and at least got the grants watered down? You can believe what you want mate but cant argue with facts.The fact is if we were still in we would be paying. "Well I'm sure in 12 months the economy will be absolutely booming without us being held back so we can all celebrate! | |||
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"“ If they were that bad in their job why were they not pulled?” i am not sure what sector/ type of business you work for but in any decent sized company it is almost impossible to manage someone out the door , performance plans are about as good as it gets and then the team get to the point where you accept that if you can at least get 60% capacity out of them and they get on with it without bugging you it at least frees you up to pick up their other 40% ... then they will be top of the list next time there is a reshuffle with redundancies and be rewarded with a package to leave but at least you are rid of the dead weight ... its pretty much standard practice Public sector. I've known at least 6 people been booted in the last few years. It used to be very hard now it's a 3 stage progress on either performance or sickness. You must of missed the few years comment. I still keep in touch with old workmates. They tell me alot of the lazy fockers are now in management within the organisation. Who ever said hard work goes a long way ? The higher up you go the less work you do. I wont mention that goes upto the top." They didn't work work at the bottom. They just knew who's bottom to lick  | |||
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"“ If they were that bad in their job why were they not pulled?” i am not sure what sector/ type of business you work for but in any decent sized company it is almost impossible to manage someone out the door , performance plans are about as good as it gets and then the team get to the point where you accept that if you can at least get 60% capacity out of them and they get on with it without bugging you it at least frees you up to pick up their other 40% ... then they will be top of the list next time there is a reshuffle with redundancies and be rewarded with a package to leave but at least you are rid of the dead weight ... its pretty much standard practice Public sector. I've known at least 6 people been booted in the last few years. It used to be very hard now it's a 3 stage progress on either performance or sickness. You must of missed the few years comment. I still keep in touch with old workmates. They tell me alot of the lazy fockers are now in management within the organisation. Who ever said hard work goes a long way ? The higher up you go the less work you do. I wont mention that goes upto the top. They didn't work work at the bottom. They just knew who's bottom to lick "So proves my point over bonuses? | |||
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"“ If they were that bad in their job why were they not pulled?” i am not sure what sector/ type of business you work for but in any decent sized company it is almost impossible to manage someone out the door , performance plans are about as good as it gets and then the team get to the point where you accept that if you can at least get 60% capacity out of them and they get on with it without bugging you it at least frees you up to pick up their other 40% ... then they will be top of the list next time there is a reshuffle with redundancies and be rewarded with a package to leave but at least you are rid of the dead weight ... its pretty much standard practice Public sector. I've known at least 6 people been booted in the last few years. It used to be very hard now it's a 3 stage progress on either performance or sickness. You must of missed the few years comment. I still keep in touch with old workmates. They tell me alot of the lazy fockers are now in management within the organisation. Who ever said hard work goes a long way ? The higher up you go the less work you do. I wont mention that goes upto the top. They didn't work work at the bottom. They just knew who's bottom to lick
So proves my point over bonuses?"How exactly? I all knew I worked hard and made good money then over night my money was the same as some lazy fucker. | |||
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"“ If they were that bad in their job why were they not pulled?” i am not sure what sector/ type of business you work for but in any decent sized company it is almost impossible to manage someone out the door , performance plans are about as good as it gets and then the team get to the point where you accept that if you can at least get 60% capacity out of them and they get on with it without bugging you it at least frees you up to pick up their other 40% ... then they will be top of the list next time there is a reshuffle with redundancies and be rewarded with a package to leave but at least you are rid of the dead weight ... its pretty much standard practice Public sector. I've known at least 6 people been booted in the last few years. It used to be very hard now it's a 3 stage progress on either performance or sickness. You must of missed the few years comment. I still keep in touch with old workmates. They tell me alot of the lazy fockers are now in management within the organisation. Who ever said hard work goes a long way ? The higher up you go the less work you do. I wont mention that goes upto the top. They didn't work work at the bottom. They just knew who's bottom to lick
So proves my point over bonuses?
How exactly?
I all knew I worked hard and made good money then over night my money was the same as some lazy fucker. "You just said yourself..if they were an ass kisser they got on So it's nothing to do with performance | |||
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"“ If they were that bad in their job why were they not pulled?” i am not sure what sector/ type of business you work for but in any decent sized company it is almost impossible to manage someone out the door , performance plans are about as good as it gets and then the team get to the point where you accept that if you can at least get 60% capacity out of them and they get on with it without bugging you it at least frees you up to pick up their other 40% ... then they will be top of the list next time there is a reshuffle with redundancies and be rewarded with a package to leave but at least you are rid of the dead weight ... its pretty much standard practice Public sector. I've known at least 6 people been booted in the last few years. It used to be very hard now it's a 3 stage progress on either performance or sickness. You must of missed the few years comment. I still keep in touch with old workmates. They tell me alot of the lazy fockers are now in management within the organisation. Who ever said hard work goes a long way ? The higher up you go the less work you do. I wont mention that goes upto the top. They didn't work work at the bottom. They just knew who's bottom to lick
So proves my point over bonuses?"Actually before I left they were bringing in the performance monitoring. But that would have still wouldn't of brought their work rate up. | |||
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"With Uk now over 2 Trillion In debt ,record borrowing in August 36 billion what do you think they will do to balance the books before Uk is in very serious trouble ? Why are we in so much trouble after 10 years of austerity? A worldwide pandemic maybe ? Have we paid out 2 trillion on the last 6 months? No but that's why we are in trouble like most of the world or is it just Britain's and the Torys problem? So it's not the world wide pandemic then? The money will be recouped in increased tax So where did the trillions of debt come from and why are we the worst hit in Europe? We are far from the worst economy wise ?? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/business-53918568 Not great but still Keeping up below the overall borrowing of most European countries Not great with Brexit still to come. it could be mate we will only have to pay our own debt not 1/2 of Europe's.
Instead..thatss not really true whatsoever is it?
Well it is , wrt we will not be continuing subsidising the Europeans but short term it is going to be tough times
We dont pay for half of europe
Fact.
Not half but beyond our fair share Exactly it was a term of phrase not meant to be taken literally but as a former net contributor we would have been paying for it big time.
You really shouldn't believe everything you read in the mail
I dont read the daily mail why do you think Denmark, Austria, Sweden and Holland kicked off and at least got the grants watered down? You can believe what you want mate but cant argue with facts.The fact is if we were still in we would be paying.
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Your words just tear me up inside..
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Your words just tear me up inside..
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Your words just tear me up inside..
I wasn't wrong though was I, your still on here 4hrs later complaining about others who do nothing
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"With Uk now over 2 Trillion In debt ,record borrowing in August 36 billion what do you think they will do to balance the books before Uk is in very serious trouble ? Up the retirement age to 70 ASAP Keep people in work and paying tax. Yep but the pension age should not be fixed it should be years worked in my opinion Work till you drop." | |||
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"I’m an agency worker on paye. I got nothing from the furlough scheme and I’ve got nothing from the latest scheme. I’m sure I’ll be expected to pay extra tax for all those who did though when it comes to paying off the debt I worked through it all, so I never received anything from any scheme's, as did not need it, but guess I will have to pay extra tax,so on that note, are you saying only people who benefited from the scheme or the ones who had to claim benefits should have to pay extra tax?" The burden will fall on most normal working people as it tends to do. | |||
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"With Uk now over 2 Trillion In debt ,record borrowing in August 36 billion what do you think they will do to balance the books before Uk is in very serious trouble ? Why are we in so much trouble after 10 years of austerity? A worldwide pandemic maybe ? Have we paid out 2 trillion on the last 6 months? No but that's why we are in trouble like most of the world or is it just Britain's and the Torys problem? So it's not the world wide pandemic then? The money will be recouped in increased tax So where did the trillions of debt come from and why are we the worst hit in Europe? So if we don't in crease tax can the tax system be overhauled and Radical change to bring in extra tax Not a chance. So why not a chance Tax the cash economy What do you do. Because if you even try to argue for a more fairer tax system you are branded some sort of dangerous radical. So because of getting branded you would not try? Just lay down and take what ever Its down to the gmnt to set the tax not us? But we vote for them. So what do you do for a living Not me. Public sector. Dose not give me a clue as to whot you do? ? Guess politician as can't give a strate answer " Because I'm not to going to tell you exactly where I work on here. Civil service. We worked all the way through. | |||
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"Well Boris and Co will just walk away and into high paid consultancy and speakers jobs leaving the usual suspects to foot the bill. Welcome to reality 2020" Its hardly new.Thats what they do | |||
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"I’m an agency worker on paye. I got nothing from the furlough scheme and I’ve got nothing from the latest scheme. I’m sure I’ll be expected to pay extra tax for all those who did though when it comes to paying off the debt I worked through it all, so I never received anything from any scheme's, as did not need it, but guess I will have to pay extra tax,so on that note, are you saying only people who benefited from the scheme or the ones who had to claim benefits should have to pay extra tax?" I haven’t had any paid work from February until this week so have gone through my savings to survive, so my sympathies to those who have worked throughout might be a bit thin sorry. | |||
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"So how has ever asked a builder how much for cash. Or paid cash for a taxi. Or even paid cash for an item in a corner shop." ? | |||
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"I’m an agency worker on paye. I got nothing from the furlough scheme and I’ve got nothing from the latest scheme. I’m sure I’ll be expected to pay extra tax for all those who did though when it comes to paying off the debt I worked through it all, so I never received anything from any scheme's, as did not need it, but guess I will have to pay extra tax,so on that note, are you saying only people who benefited from the scheme or the ones who had to claim benefits should have to pay extra tax? I haven’t had any paid work from February until this week so have gone through my savings to survive, so my sympathies to those who have worked throughout might be a bit thin sorry." No not at all it's been hard for lots. And I have seen both sides with my Daughter on furlough and getting over paid. | |||
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"So how has ever asked a builder how much for cash. Or paid cash for a taxi. Or even paid cash for an item in a corner shop. ?" All no tax paid yes even me that's how I know it is easy to legally avoyd tax PAYE is so out of date it's a tax for the pore. You say your puplic sector so you don't see the loop holes | |||
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"Well Boris and Co will just walk away and into high paid consultancy and speakers jobs leaving the usual suspects to foot the bill. Welcome to reality 2020 Its hardly new.Thats what they do " And yet we still.let this farce continue. | |||
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"Well Boris and Co will just walk away and into high paid consultancy and speakers jobs leaving the usual suspects to foot the bill. Welcome to reality 2020 Its hardly new.Thats what they do And yet we still.let this farce continue." So would you back an increase on VAT if there was a proportional decrease in PAYE | |||
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"Well Boris and Co will just walk away and into high paid consultancy and speakers jobs leaving the usual suspects to foot the bill. Welcome to reality 2020 Its hardly new.Thats what they do And yet we still.let this farce continue." People voted for them. You get what you deserve. | |||
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"So how has ever asked a builder how much for cash. Or paid cash for a taxi. Or even paid cash for an item in a corner shop. ? All no tax paid yes even me that's how I know it is easy to legally avoyd tax PAYE is so out of date it's a tax for the pore. You say your puplic sector so you don't see the loop holes " Our tax comes out at source. | |||
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"Well Boris and Co will just walk away and into high paid consultancy and speakers jobs leaving the usual suspects to foot the bill. Welcome to reality 2020 Its hardly new.Thats what they do And yet we still.let this farce continue. People voted for them. You get what you deserve. " Go on tell me you work for HMRC LOL | |||
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"So how has ever asked a builder how much for cash. Or paid cash for a taxi. Or even paid cash for an item in a corner shop. ? All no tax paid yes even me that's how I know it is easy to legally avoyd tax PAYE is so out of date it's a tax for the pore. You say your puplic sector so you don't see the loop holes Our tax comes out at source." But When you spend you money do you think about is the company or person paying tax. I quote you a job and it comes to £1200. You say what if it's for cash? Ok if it's cash can do it for £1000 Good deal yes. | |||
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"So how has ever asked a builder how much for cash. Or paid cash for a taxi. Or even paid cash for an item in a corner shop. ? All no tax paid yes even me that's how I know it is easy to legally avoyd tax PAYE is so out of date it's a tax for the pore. You say your puplic sector so you don't see the loop holes Our tax comes out at source." Up until some time ago did not pay tax at all | |||
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"Well Boris and Co will just walk away and into high paid consultancy and speakers jobs leaving the usual suspects to foot the bill. Welcome to reality 2020 Its hardly new.Thats what they do And yet we still.let this farce continue. People voted for them. You get what you deserve. Go on tell me you work for HMRC LOL" Nope | |||
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"So how has ever asked a builder how much for cash. Or paid cash for a taxi. Or even paid cash for an item in a corner shop. ? All no tax paid yes even me that's how I know it is easy to legally avoyd tax PAYE is so out of date it's a tax for the pore. You say your puplic sector so you don't see the loop holes Our tax comes out at source. Up until some time ago did not pay tax at all " ? | |||
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"So how has ever asked a builder how much for cash. Or paid cash for a taxi. Or even paid cash for an item in a corner shop. ? All no tax paid yes even me that's how I know it is easy to legally avoyd tax PAYE is so out of date it's a tax for the pore. You say your puplic sector so you don't see the loop holes Our tax comes out at source. Up until some time ago did not pay tax at all ?" 3 limited companies 2 run at a loss and most of the work done for cash any work through the company paid bills easy If the company had to much money move it through ebay and paypal why lose 20% when you can move it and lose 5% so meany are doing this now. So scrap PAYE 15% if your earning £50,000 and put vat up to 35% much harder to get round. | |||
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"With Uk now over 2 Trillion In debt ,record borrowing in August 36 billion what do you think they will do to balance the books before Uk is in very serious trouble ? " I think a lot of new taxes are coming. | |||
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"With Uk now over 2 Trillion In debt ,record borrowing in August 36 billion what do you think they will do to balance the books before Uk is in very serious trouble ? Print some more money" Hahaha Or have a new war | |||
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"Well Boris and Co will just walk away and into high paid consultancy and speakers jobs leaving the usual suspects to foot the bill. Welcome to reality 2020 Its hardly new.Thats what they do And yet we still.let this farce continue. So would you back an increase on VAT if there was a proportional decrease in PAYE" There will be no decrease in any taxation after this. Imagine that the benefits system will need shoring up. | |||
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"The real figure is considerably higher. Our official debt figures never included unfunded public sector pensions, we were well over 2 trillion in debt years ago. I’ve talked to a few bankers about this sort of thing. We were never going to payoff the 2 trillion anyway, and we won’t payoff the 3 trillion either. No one knows the end game, but no we’re not alone. " Exactly the same as in the U.S. where unfounded liabilities total a sum nearly equivalent to world GDP. The fact that the derivatives bubble is estimated at 1.5 quadrillion dollars shows how the financial and banking system modelled originally on the BoE is no longer viable. | |||
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"Love how its always the rich that get the blame. They don't make the rules. " I think you'll find that with a healthy donation to the 'old boys network' that they do in fact make a lot of the rules. Pretty sure Joe the Plumber doesn't have much direct influence on political policy affecting tax rates. | |||
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"With Uk now over 2 Trillion In debt ,record borrowing in August 36 billion what do you think they will do to balance the books before Uk is in very serious trouble ? Print some more money If they carry on with that we’ll end up with a Junk currency Only if your the only currency doing it...and believe me we aren't " This. Many seem to forget everyone is in this boat. I've been wondering who is everyone borrowing from? China? | |||
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"And still.. No-one is blaming the Chinese! " Its chinas fault we are 2 trillion in debt? | |||
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"It’s just numbers on a computer screen, it’s not real. The political ideology of whatever government is in power, determines how that debt impacts us, it’s not the debt itself " Preach brother. It's just a nonsense. | |||
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