Join us FREE, we're FREE to use
Web's largest swingers site since 2006.
Already registered?
Login here
Join us FREE, we're FREE to use
Web's largest swingers site since 2006.
Already registered?
Login here
 | Back to forum list |
| Back to Virus |
| Jump to newest |  |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"So your stepmother has signed a NDA and told you about it ?"  | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Yes she has. If that is you're biggest issue here you need to see the bigger picture. " If this is true . Here we go with the carehomes again. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Stepmother works in a rehabilitation centre. Government have today discharged two covid+ patients. All been made to sign NDA's Absolute scumbags this government. " Who in government has discharged the patients? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Stepmother works in a rehabilitation centre. Government have today discharged two covid+ patients. All been made to sign NDA's Absolute scumbags this government. Who in government has discharged the patients? " If you are trying to get me on semantics honest answer is I don't know. All I was told is they were discharged from hospital with pressure to accept them. Believe don't believe entirely up to you. I'm passing on information. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Stepmother works in a rehabilitation centre. Government have today discharged two covid+ patients. All been made to sign NDA's Absolute scumbags this government. Who in government has discharged the patients? " It will be the NHS just like the last time. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Stepmother works in a rehabilitation centre. Government have today discharged two covid+ patients. All been made to sign NDA's Absolute scumbags this government. Who in government has discharged the patients? It will be the NHS just like the last time." Yes NHS not the government | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"None disclosure agreement?" Can't tell you 
 | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"None disclosure agreement? Can't tell you
"That's ok, Karen off Facebook will..  | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Pile of Shite. ... scaremongering... and it’s always someone knows someone etc etc etc. " Because there’s no precedent etc etc etc | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Stepmother works in a rehabilitation centre. Government have today discharged two covid+ patients. All been made to sign NDA's Absolute scumbags this government. Who in government has discharged the patients? If you are trying to get me on semantics honest answer is I don't know. All I was told is they were discharged from hospital with pressure to accept them. Believe don't believe entirely up to you. I'm passing on information. " Dont go criticising the gmnt on here Gets you into all sorts of bother. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
 | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Funnily enough in the nhs they don’t do signing non disclosures. They have confidentially agreements that all staff sign upon starting a new post, but patients would never be told to sign anything other than a discharge letter "The patient never signed anything read the opening post again. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Funnily enough in the nhs they don’t do signing non disclosures. They have confidentially agreements that all staff sign upon starting a new post, but patients would never be told to sign anything other than a discharge letter "And still able to whistle blow? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Funnily enough in the nhs they don’t do signing non disclosures. They have confidentially agreements that all staff sign upon starting a new post, but patients would never be told to sign anything other than a discharge letter "To be fair I didn’t think he was suggesting the patient signed a NDA | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" The patient never signed anything read the opening post again." The post says "all been made to sign NDAs". This could include the two patients as well as the staff. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Stepmother works in a rehabilitation centre. Government have today discharged two covid+ patients. All been made to sign NDA's Absolute scumbags this government. " Sure it's not a DNR? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Funnily enough in the nhs they don’t do signing non disclosures. They have confidentially agreements that all staff sign upon starting a new post, but patients would never be told to sign anything other than a discharge letter
The patient never signed anything read the opening post again."I did. It said ‘all were made to sign ndas’ and I repeat that doesn’t happen in the NHS | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" The patient never signed anything read the opening post again. The post says "all been made to sign NDAs". This could include the two patients as well as the staff. " Maybe he should clarify that. But I have no idea why the patients would have to sign an NDA | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" The patient never signed anything read the opening post again. The post says "all been made to sign NDAs". This could include the two patients as well as the staff. " I’ve never heard of a patient be asked to sign a NDA but god knows what’s real these days. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Funnily enough in the nhs they don’t do signing non disclosures. They have confidentially agreements that all staff sign upon starting a new post, but patients would never be told to sign anything other than a discharge letter
And still able to whistle blow?"Encouraged to whistle blow through the correct processes. I know a few nurses that have gone through that process. Lying. Going to media. Telling your neighbours sisters aunt isn’t the process | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" The patient never signed anything read the opening post again. The post says "all been made to sign NDAs". This could include the two patients as well as the staff. Maybe he should clarify that. But I have no idea why the patients would have to sign an NDA " And neither would NHS staff I can assure you of that | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Stepmother works in a rehabilitation centre. Government have today discharged two covid+ patients. All been made to sign NDA's Absolute scumbags this government. " Absolutely, a government of charlatans | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Funnily enough in the nhs they don’t do signing non disclosures. They have confidentially agreements that all staff sign upon starting a new post, but patients would never be told to sign anything other than a discharge letter
And still able to whistle blow?
Encouraged to whistle blow through the correct processes. I know a few nurses that have gone through that process. Lying. Going to media. Telling your neighbours sisters aunt isn’t the process "Agreed.. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" The patient never signed anything read the opening post again. The post says "all been made to sign NDAs". This could include the two patients as well as the staff. Maybe he should clarify that. But I have no idea why the patients would have to sign an NDA And neither would NHS staff I can assure you of that " I do know that in april 3 were released to the nursing home where my wife works . 21 died including the 3 that were released from the hospital to the home. The familys have went after the nhs manager who gave the order for them.to go to that home. It's going though the legal system as we talk. So I can imagine why an NDA would come in if they have started to do it again. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"To clarify the staff have all been made to sign NDA's. " I knew that's what you meant its strange how people see what they want to see. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Just to add, in Surrey the old Headley court has been converted as a rehabilitation centre for post covid patients to free up space in the local hospitals.. Could this be similar.." Information about this initiative is easy to Google. Not subject to NDAs. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Just to add, in Surrey the old Headley court has been converted as a rehabilitation centre for post covid patients to free up space in the local hospitals.. Could this be similar.. Information about this initiative is easy to Google. Not subject to NDAs. " The wife has colleagues working there, I just wondered if what the op is stating is similar.. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Just to add, in Surrey the old Headley court has been converted as a rehabilitation centre for post covid patients to free up space in the local hospitals.. Could this be similar.. Information about this initiative is easy to Google. Not subject to NDAs. The wife has colleagues working there, I just wondered if what the op is stating is similar.." Not the NDA part, 40 years service and never heard of it herself.. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Stepmother works in a rehabilitation centre. Government have today discharged two covid+ patients. All been made to sign NDA's Absolute scumbags this government. " How were they *made* to sign NDAs? I how would you know this? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"To clarify the staff have all been made to sign NDA's. " Bollocks. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Pile of Shite. ... scaremongering... and it’s always someone knows someone etc etc etc. " It's her step-mother, not a friend of Baz, down the pub, who told you about his mate who did a job for someone who knew... etc. It's someones mother figure, being placed at risk at work, not to mention the vulnerable people living in the home. I'm guessing that the NDA may not stand up, if a whistle-blower were to get attention to this. Everyone deserves the right health care as well as care in homes that are paid to look after people. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Welcome to 2020 were whatever you say on the internet some stranger will call you a liar." Well tell lies that look more realistic. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Stepmother works in a rehabilitation centre. Government have today discharged two covid+ patients. All been made to sign NDA's Absolute scumbags this government. Who in government has discharged the patients? If you are trying to get me on semantics honest answer is I don't know. All I was told is they were discharged from hospital with pressure to accept them. Believe don't believe entirely up to you. I'm passing on information. Dont go criticising the gmnt on here Gets you into all sorts of bother." Quite. They’re “doing their best” after all. The fuck they are. They’re quite happy to pretend incompetence. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Stepmother works in a rehabilitation centre. Government have today discharged two covid+ patients. All been made to sign NDA's Absolute scumbags this government. " NDA?? Who signed them ? I don't think so... | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Is the NDA between DHSC and the Trust employee or between the Trust and the employee Who is asking for non-disclosure of what they are being asked to do?" id guess nobody and its a total fairy story ... if it was true why on earth would you get a backbone and refuse to accept them rather than be complicit, sign an nda then tell everyone  | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"... You can disagree without being so openly insulting to him." Correct. I can. I chose a different path. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"... You can disagree without being so openly insulting to him. Correct. I can. I chose a different path." You certainly did. *sigh* | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Is the NDA between DHSC and the Trust employee or between the Trust and the employee Who is asking for non-disclosure of what they are being asked to do? id guess nobody and its a total fairy story ... if it was true why on earth would you get a backbone and refuse to accept them rather than be complicit, sign an nda then tell everyone " | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Funnily enough in the nhs they don’t do signing non disclosures. They have confidentially agreements that all staff sign upon starting a new post, but patients would never be told to sign anything other than a discharge letter
And still able to whistle blow?"It's about data protection of patients. You don't tend to whistle blow re patients  | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Stepmother works in a rehabilitation centre. Government have today discharged two covid+ patients. All been made to sign NDA's Absolute scumbags this government. " Who has been made to sign non-disclosure agreements? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Stepmother works in a rehabilitation centre. Government have today discharged two covid+ patients. All been made to sign NDA's Absolute scumbags this government. " I worked as a frontline and ward nurse for more than 30 years, never been "made" or even asked to sign an NDA. There is a confidentiality clause in my contract, as with all NHS staff. Any decision to release patients is made by the hospital, not by the Government. By all means criticize the government for the things they are accountable for. But not things that are outside their purview. That's just silly. I can't see anything that could be remotely factual about your post. E | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" The patient never signed anything read the opening post again. The post says "all been made to sign NDAs". This could include the two patients as well as the staff. Maybe he should clarify that. But I have no idea why the patients would have to sign an NDA And neither would NHS staff I can assure you of that I do know that in april 3 were released to the nursing home where my wife works . 21 died including the 3 that were released from the hospital to the home. The familys have went after the nhs manager who gave the order for them.to go to that home. It's going though the legal system as we talk. So I can imagine why an NDA would come in if they have started to do it again." NHS managers do not operate in autonomous isolation, they get orders from above, like everyone else. Those people above are also getting their orders from above, and so it goes on. Also, there is no need for an NDA in the NHS, confidentiality is written into your contract of employment. Unless it is a matter of patient safety, in which case you can whistle blow without fear of legal recriminations. You might, however, never work again but that doesn't require the signing of an NDA, it's also a far more powerful persuasion tool than signing a piece of paper. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"None disclosure agreement?" You get that as part of a settlement when being made redundant or fired. It’s a financial agreement and you get legal advice before signing. How much did his mum get I wonder? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Stepmother works in a rehabilitation centre. Government have today discharged two covid+ patients. All been made to sign NDA's Absolute scumbags this government. " Do you work for the daily mail ? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
 | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"... You can disagree without being so openly insulting to him. Correct. I can. I chose a different path." On this forum it isn't allowed | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Stepmother works in a rehabilitation centre. Government have today discharged two covid+ patients. All been made to sign NDA's Absolute scumbags this government. I worked as a frontline and ward nurse for more than 30 years, never been "made" or even asked to sign an NDA. There is a confidentiality clause in my contract, as with all NHS staff. Any decision to release patients is made by the hospital, not by the Government. E" Everyone is accountable to someone, including the NHS | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Stepmother works in a rehabilitation centre. Government have today discharged two covid+ patients. All been made to sign NDA's Absolute scumbags this government. I worked as a frontline and ward nurse for more than 30 years, never been "made" or even asked to sign an NDA. There is a confidentiality clause in my contract, as with all NHS staff. Any decision to release patients is made by the hospital, not by the Government. E Everyone is accountable to someone, including the NHS" True but i doubt that they ring up handcock or boris every time they want to discharge a patient. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"At the end of the day its the NHS who make the decisions to discharge patients not the government. "Correct... | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Stepmother works in a rehabilitation centre. Government have today discharged two covid+ patients. All been made to sign NDA's Absolute scumbags this government. I worked as a frontline and ward nurse for more than 30 years, never been "made" or even asked to sign an NDA. There is a confidentiality clause in my contract, as with all NHS staff. Any decision to release patients is made by the hospital, not by the Government. E Everyone is accountable to someone, including the NHSTrue but i doubt that they ring up handcock or boris every time they want to discharge a patient. "
I don't believe anyone said that, implying they did just looks like you are trying to deflect what has been said
Everyone is accountable to someone, orders from above are normally obeyed | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Stepmother works in a rehabilitation centre. Government have today discharged two covid+ patients. All been made to sign NDA's Absolute scumbags this government. " I believe care homes have been asked if they can take covid patients. They need to assess if they can properly isolate such patients and still provide care for them. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Stepmother works in a rehabilitation centre. Government have today discharged two covid+ patients. All been made to sign NDA's Absolute scumbags this government. I worked as a frontline and ward nurse for more than 30 years, never been "made" or even asked to sign an NDA. There is a confidentiality clause in my contract, as with all NHS staff. Any decision to release patients is made by the hospital, not by the Government. E Everyone is accountable to someone, including the NHS" Of course they are. The gmnt run the NHs. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Stepmother works in a rehabilitation centre. Government have today discharged two covid+ patients. All been made to sign NDA's Absolute scumbags this government. I believe care homes have been asked if they can take covid patients. They need to assess if they can properly isolate such patients and still provide care for them. " This is correct. My sister is a care home manager and she was approached by the nhs about taking people in and that's happened this week. They dont have the cheek to ask the nursing home where my mrs works | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Stepmother works in a rehabilitation centre. Government have today discharged two covid+ patients. All been made to sign NDA's Absolute scumbags this government. " To be fair; NDA’s and privacy agreements are pretty standard in health care | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Stepmother works in a rehabilitation centre. Government have today discharged two covid+ patients. All been made to sign NDA's Absolute scumbags this government. I believe care homes have been asked if they can take covid patients. They need to assess if they can properly isolate such patients and still provide care for them. This is correct. My sister is a care home manager and she was approached by the nhs about taking people in and that's happened this week. They dont have the cheek to ask the nursing home where my mrs works "So by the sound of it it's not a second wave....more like a second cull of the elderly. We the fuck are they not learning from the last time as we all knew it was going to come again this winter. As you said earlier people need to be held accountable for this ..and right to the top of government. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Stepmother works in a rehabilitation centre. Government have today discharged two covid+ patients. All been made to sign NDA's Absolute scumbags this government. " As an NHS employee... please stop peddling utter shit, the basic concept of what you are saying is flawed on so many levels. No trust in the country is testing for covid-19 UNLESS the patient is to be admitted to hospital... an obvious move to stop ED’s being overwhelmed by those who are struggling to get tested through the various centres. We are not allowed to discharge any patients once admitted until they swab clear, that is a national guideline. If a patient is still positive, they stay where they are or can be transferred within the NHS to improve their care... that’s the only options. As others have stated... NDA for NHS staff? Lol. There would be zero need... patient confidentiality is a basic and more comprehensive agreement that we all commit to when employed anyway. P.S. we don’t have “Government” staff within trusts... just saying | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Stepmother works in a rehabilitation centre. Government have today discharged two covid+ patients. All been made to sign NDA's Absolute scumbags this government. I worked as a frontline and ward nurse for more than 30 years, never been "made" or even asked to sign an NDA. There is a confidentiality clause in my contract, as with all NHS staff. Any decision to release patients is made by the hospital, not by the Government. E Everyone is accountable to someone, including the NHSTrue but i doubt that they ring up handcock or boris every time they want to discharge a patient.
I don't believe anyone said that, implying they did just looks like you are trying to deflect what has been said
Everyone is accountable to someone, orders from above are normally obeyed"Certainly but does anyone know what orders were given, where they came from, who made the decision, was the care home asked or informed ? its just government bashing by the op without any substance to the post. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Stepmother works in a rehabilitation centre. Government have today discharged two covid+ patients. All been made to sign NDA's Absolute scumbags this government. I worked as a frontline and ward nurse for more than 30 years, never been "made" or even asked to sign an NDA. There is a confidentiality clause in my contract, as with all NHS staff. Any decision to release patients is made by the hospital, not by the Government. E Everyone is accountable to someone, including the NHSTrue but i doubt that they ring up handcock or boris every time they want to discharge a patient.
I don't believe anyone said that, implying they did just looks like you are trying to deflect what has been said
Everyone is accountable to someone, orders from above are normally obeyedCertainly but does anyone know what orders were given, where they came from, who made the decision, was the care home asked or informed ? its just government bashing by the op without any substance to the post."Exactly, Chinese whispers... | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/22/health-official-defends-discharging-patients-into-english-care-homes" You are posting links to june? i think things have moved on a lot since then and from the guardian you must have something better than that. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/22/health-official-defends-discharging-patients-into-english-care-homesYou are posting links to june? i think things have moved on a lot since then and from the guardian you must have something better than that. "It just shows it's happened under their watch once...and going by "TUXEY" it is happening again...when do we Shout enough is enough? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/22/health-official-defends-discharging-patients-into-english-care-homesYou are posting links to june? i think things have moved on a lot since then and from the guardian you must have something better than that. "Yep I'm sure the gmnt has nothing to do with it now. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
 | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/22/health-official-defends-discharging-patients-into-english-care-homesYou are posting links to june? i think things have moved on a lot since then and from the guardian you must have something better than that.
It just shows it's happened under their watch once...and going by "TUXEY" it is happening again...when do we Shout enough is enough?"Did you read it? Asked by Labour MP Nick Smith whether that guidance was “high-risk and wrong”, Wormald replied: “I’m confident that based on the information we had at the time, our guidance was correct. That is not the same as saying we will do the same again …I’m not going to deny there were risks. All our guidance is very carefully considered based on the best clinical advice at the time.” | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I'm in the NHS, have a FB who's a teacher and a very good friend who's a senior at a kids home. Trust me on this, we're all doing things we don't wanna do and don't even make sense at the moment. At the same time we're trying to anticipate the next likely changes to government advice and actually stay alive. I perfectly understand people being critical and sceptical about how things are being handled but we're all just doing what we're told "Can I ask who makes those decisions at the very top? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Can I ask who makes those decisions at the very top?" You can ask all you like but you won't get an answer, just like we don't. Nobody wants to be accountable for anything that goes wrong I suppose. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Can I ask who makes those decisions at the very top? You can ask all you like but you won't get an answer, just like we don't. Nobody wants to be accountable for anything that goes wrong I suppose." But something like that must come from high up? I think the gmnt are experts at not taking responsibility. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" But something like that must come from high up? " Unless of course it's not true | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I'm in the NHS, have a FB who's a teacher and a very good friend who's a senior at a kids home. Trust me on this, we're all doing things we don't wanna do and don't even make sense at the moment. At the same time we're trying to anticipate the next likely changes to government advice and actually stay alive. I perfectly understand people being critical and sceptical about how things are being handled but we're all just doing what we're told
Can I ask who makes those decisions at the very top?"Simon Stevens Chief Executive. Simon Stevens is Chief Executive Officer of the NHS, accountable to Parliament for over £120 billion of annual Health Service funding. Simon joined the NHS through its Graduate Training Scheme in 1988. Although he is ultimately accountable, the decisions made at the level proposed by the OP are medical decisions and I should imagine that each case is individual and based on a number of certain factors the overseeing Consultant or Registrar follows... | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I'm in the NHS, have a FB who's a teacher and a very good friend who's a senior at a kids home. Trust me on this, we're all doing things we don't wanna do and don't even make sense at the moment. At the same time we're trying to anticipate the next likely changes to government advice and actually stay alive. I perfectly understand people being critical and sceptical about how things are being handled but we're all just doing what we're told
Can I ask who makes those decisions at the very top?
Simon Stevens
Chief Executive. Simon Stevens is Chief Executive Officer of the NHS, accountable to Parliament for over £120 billion of annual Health Service funding. Simon joined the NHS through its Graduate Training Scheme in 1988.
Although he is ultimately accountable, the decisions made at the level proposed by the OP are medical decisions and I should imagine that each case is individual and based on a number of certain factors the overseeing Consultant or Registrar follows..."If he is accountable to parliament surely he isnt ultimately accountable? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"If he is accountable to parliament surely he isnt ultimately accountable? " That was kinda my point. All anyone can do is go along with the decisions made by the elite few and try not to rock the boat. Whatever you might believe from watching the news though, please bear in mind that nobody's happy with the decisions being made and on every local level the boat is rocking wildly | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"A diagnosis... " Far from it. The number of diagnosed infections is way higher than those with significant symptoms, significant symptoms is way higher than hospitalised, and that's way higher than deaths. None of the figures include (obviously) the amount of people who've got/had Covid and don't even know. It's a serious illness through infection rates and incubation period which is why the only good advice through all this is to stay the fuck away from people unless it's absolutely necessary. With that in mind, I'm available for meets all weekend | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Stepmother works in a rehabilitation centre. Government have today discharged two covid+ patients. All been made to sign NDA's Absolute scumbags this government. I worked as a frontline and ward nurse for more than 30 years, never been "made" or even asked to sign an NDA. There is a confidentiality clause in my contract, as with all NHS staff. Any decision to release patients is made by the hospital, not by the Government. E Everyone is accountable to someone, including the NHSTrue but i doubt that they ring up handcock or boris every time they want to discharge a patient.
I don't believe anyone said that, implying they did just looks like you are trying to deflect what has been said
Everyone is accountable to someone, orders from above are normally obeyedCertainly but does anyone know what orders were given, where they came from, who made the decision, was the care home asked or informed ? its just government bashing by the op without any substance to the post."So is the Gov bashing or the people being potentially discharged to care homes with covid the worry for you? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Stepmother works in a rehabilitation centre. Government have today discharged two covid+ patients. All been made to sign NDA's Absolute scumbags this government. " This is just a crap statement ....nda's........never... | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" But something like that must come from high up? Unless of course it's not true "Someone said it so it must be true.  | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Stepmother works in a rehabilitation centre. Government have today discharged two covid+ patients. All been made to sign NDA's Absolute scumbags this government. I worked as a frontline and ward nurse for more than 30 years, never been "made" or even asked to sign an NDA. There is a confidentiality clause in my contract, as with all NHS staff. Any decision to release patients is made by the hospital, not by the Government. E Everyone is accountable to someone, including the NHSTrue but i doubt that they ring up handcock or boris every time they want to discharge a patient.
I don't believe anyone said that, implying they did just looks like you are trying to deflect what has been said
Everyone is accountable to someone, orders from above are normally obeyedCertainly but does anyone know what orders were given, where they came from, who made the decision, was the care home asked or informed ? its just government bashing by the op without any substance to the post.
So is the Gov bashing or the people being potentially discharged to care homes with covid the worry for you?"The worry for me is people posting on here with no substance to their claim just to bash the government. The government are never going to get everything right which is true all round the world but to call them( absolute scumbags) without any substance that they are responsible to me is just another anti government rant on here. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Particularly when it was announced in April 2019 that NDA's would be banned right across the NHS. "but if they made you sign an NDA to never talk about the banned NDA how would we ever know (tongue in cheek btw i think the OP is at the very least second hand stretched truth but most likely total fantasy) | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" So is the Gov bashing or the people being potentially discharged to care homes with covid the worry for you?The worry for me is people posting on here with no substance to their claim just to bash the government. The government are never going to get everything right which is true all round the world but to call them( absolute scumbags) without any substance that they are responsible to me is just another anti government rant on here." To be fair, for now we don't know if it is true or not, there have been lots of things claimed all through this Crisis that turned out to be true | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Funnily enough in the nhs they don’t do signing non disclosures. They have confidentially agreements that all staff sign upon starting a new post, but patients would never be told to sign anything other than a discharge letter "He was talking about a care home manager I think which isn't the NHS | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Funnily enough in the nhs they don’t do signing non disclosures. They have confidentially agreements that all staff sign upon starting a new post, but patients would never be told to sign anything other than a discharge letter
He was talking about a care home manager I think which isn't the NHS"he actually said rehabilitation centre .. could easily be nhs | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Funnily enough in the nhs they don’t do signing non disclosures. They have confidentially agreements that all staff sign upon starting a new post, but patients would never be told to sign anything other than a discharge letter
He was talking about a care home manager I think which isn't the NHS"He's was talking about his stepmother who works in a rehabilitation centre where 2 covid patients had been discharged from the hospital into. He us not saying the NHS staff had to sign anything. But the centres staff did. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Stepmother works in a rehabilitation centre. Government have today discharged two covid+ patients. All been made to sign NDA's Absolute scumbags this government. " What makes you think the government discharged them? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Stepmother works in a rehabilitation centre. Government have today discharged two covid+ patients. All been made to sign NDA's Absolute scumbags this government. What makes you think the government discharged them?" People seem to keep getting confused with the NHS and the government. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Funnily enough in the nhs they don’t do signing non disclosures. They have confidentially agreements that all staff sign upon starting a new post, but patients would never be told to sign anything other than a discharge letter
He was talking about a care home manager I think which isn't the NHS
He's was talking about his stepmother who works in a rehabilitation centre where 2 covid patients had been discharged from the hospital into.
He us not saying the NHS staff had to sign anything.
.
"That is what I thought it meant, that the rehabilitation could be a private facility? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Stepmother works in a rehabilitation centre. Government have today discharged two covid+ patients. All been made to sign NDA's Absolute scumbags this government. What makes you think the government discharged them?" Probably something to do with discharging them in the past. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Funnily enough in the nhs they don’t do signing non disclosures. They have confidentially agreements that all staff sign upon starting a new post, but patients would never be told to sign anything other than a discharge letter
He was talking about a care home manager I think which isn't the NHS
He's was talking about his stepmother who works in a rehabilitation centre where 2 covid patients had been discharged from the hospital into.
He us not saying the NHS staff had to sign anything.
.
That is what I thought it meant, that the rehabilitation could be a private facility?"Yes like most carehomes are. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Any decision to release patients is made by the hospital, not by the Government. E" So there's no truth to rumours that the Government put pressure on the NHS to release elderly patients with Covid to care homes earlier in the pandemic then? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Any decision to release patients is made by the hospital, not by the Government. E So there's no truth to rumours that the Government put pressure on the NHS to release elderly patients with Covid to care homes earlier in the pandemic then? " It's not rumour its fact.See The link above. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Any decision to release patients is made by the hospital, not by the Government. E So there's no truth to rumours that the Government put pressure on the NHS to release elderly patients with Covid to care homes earlier in the pandemic then? " “With known Covid” or “without adequate testing and isolation measures” in place. One would be boarding on manslaughter the other neglectful over optimism in the number of undiagnosed infections in those being discharged. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Stepmother works in a rehabilitation centre. Government have today discharged two covid+ patients. All been made to sign NDA's Absolute scumbags this government. What makes you think the government discharged them? People seem to keep getting confused with the NHS and the government. " The first 6 words were enough | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Any decision to release patients is made by the hospital, not by the Government. E So there's no truth to rumours that the Government put pressure on the NHS to release elderly patients with Covid to care homes earlier in the pandemic then? " Ots highly possible there's no truth in a rumour. Taking your comment as fact, you said "The government put pressure on...." That's not the same as giving an order. As I said earlier, let's criticize government for getting the things wrong they're supposed to get right. But bashing them for something not within their gift is just silly. E | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Any decision to release patients is made by the hospital, not by the Government. E So there's no truth to rumours that the Government put pressure on the NHS to release elderly patients with Covid to care homes earlier in the pandemic then? Ots highly possible there's no truth in a rumour. Taking your comment as fact, you said "The government put pressure on...." That's not the same as giving an order. As I said earlier, let's criticize government for getting the things wrong they're supposed to get right. But bashing them for something not within their gift is just silly. E" Some people are only on here to bash the government mate. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Any decision to release patients is made by the hospital, not by the Government. E So there's no truth to rumours that the Government put pressure on the NHS to release elderly patients with Covid to care homes earlier in the pandemic then? Ots highly possible there's no truth in a rumour. Taking your comment as fact, you said "The government put pressure on...." That's not the same as giving an order. As I said earlier, let's criticize government for getting the things wrong they're supposed to get right. But bashing them for something not within their gift is just silly. E Some people are only on here to bash the government mate." I often ask a question of the badgers. If your party were in power would be making the same claims? If the answers yes, good, you see wrong whatever the political hue, your speaking for right, not out of bias. If the answers no, you're just trying to score political points. They always answer yes. They're always lieing.
E | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Any decision to release patients is made by the hospital, not by the Government. E So there's no truth to rumours that the Government put pressure on the NHS to release elderly patients with Covid to care homes earlier in the pandemic then? Ots highly possible there's no truth in a rumour. Taking your comment as fact, you said "The government put pressure on...." That's not the same as giving an order. As I said earlier, let's criticize government for getting the things wrong they're supposed to get right. But bashing them for something not within their gift is just silly. E Some people are only on here to bash the government mate. I often ask a question of the badgers. If your party were in power would be making the same claims? If the answers yes, good, you see wrong whatever the political hue, your speaking for right, not out of bias. If the answers no, you're just trying to score political points. They always answer yes. They're always lieing.
E"I am bang in the middle when it comes to politics but it does entertain me when the left and right clash on here. It always seems to be the left that turns to insults first. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Stepmother works in a rehabilitation centre. Government have today discharged two covid+ patients. All been made to sign NDA's Absolute scumbags this government. " Bullshit. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I'm in the NHS, have a FB who's a teacher and a very good friend who's a senior at a kids home. Trust me on this, we're all doing things we don't wanna do and don't even make sense at the moment. At the same time we're trying to anticipate the next likely changes to government advice and actually stay alive. I perfectly understand people being critical and sceptical about how things are being handled but we're all just doing what we're told
Can I ask who makes those decisions at the very top?
Simon Stevens
Chief Executive. Simon Stevens is Chief Executive Officer of the NHS, accountable to Parliament for over £120 billion of annual Health Service funding. Simon joined the NHS through its Graduate Training Scheme in 1988.
Although he is ultimately accountable, the decisions made at the level proposed by the OP are medical decisions and I should imagine that each case is individual and based on a number of certain factors the overseeing Consultant or Registrar follows..."Interesting, as when I was in a role that reported on such things for the Chief Exec of an NHS Trust, it wasn't Simon Stevens who they had to speak to when certain targets were missed, it was the Secretary of State for Health. I can assure you they were never pleasant phone calls for the Chief Exec, or anyone else that had the misfortune to be in a meeting with them over the next week. To say that the government does not directly have a say in what is happening in hospitals, especially at the moment, is naive at best. No they will not decide if Mrs. Smith goes home today but they will have given very clear instructions of what they expect to happen with patients like Mrs Smith. Clinicians like to think that they still have the ultimate say in hospitals but unfortunately a registrar reports to a consultant, who is managed by a Clinical Director, who is managed by a General Manager... While the registrar/nurse/consultant will get their instruction from a clinician, i.e. the Clinical Director, they could have been given their orders by a non clinician. This is never done on a case by case basis because that would impinge on a consultant's professional judgement, but there are ways and means. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Pull the other one! I’m calling bollocks. The staff had to sign a NDA before discharging CV+ patients? “Made to” at gunpoint? What motivation was there for the staff to sign a NDA? A large cash payment? Can hardly be a threat to their jobs, imagine how the employment tribunal would go... it would be the exact opposite it would turn into by a P(ublic) D(isclosure) of the A(greement) in court. Only reason I could see staff freely willing to sign such an NDA is if it was in best interest of the patient." I think you are overestimating the ability of the vast majority of care home staff to be able to access an employment tribunal. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Particularly when it was announced in April 2019 that NDA's would be banned right across the NHS.
but if they made you sign an NDA to never talk about the banned NDA how would we ever know
(tongue in cheek btw i think the OP is at the very least second hand stretched truth but most likely total fantasy) "What Happen in Fight Club . . . | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"To clarify the staff have all been made to sign NDA's. " Just had to do a double check on this with my daughter (GP) and her bf (ICU consultant). Neither have heard anything about NDAs in NHS and are calling BS on the whole thing. Also (as far as they are aware) NO covid positive patients are currently being discharged into any care settings as this is now against rules. (Shame it wasn't in the past). | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" Any decision to release patients is made by the hospital, not by the Government. E So there's no truth to rumours that the Government put pressure on the NHS to release elderly patients with Covid to care homes earlier in the pandemic then? Ots highly possible there's no truth in a rumour. Taking your comment as fact, you said "The government put pressure on...." That's not the same as giving an order. As I said earlier, let's criticize government for getting the things wrong they're supposed to get right. But bashing them for something not within their gift is just silly. E Some people are only on here to bash the government mate." And some are here because they have seen this happen once before and dont want to see it repeated...I'll admit I'm to the left side on here. But I think this is more to hold the government we presently have in power to book now as they have made some disastrous mistakes in all of this. This is not about party politics though as I would be damning in what I type if it had been Starmer or Corbyn in charge of use now and making these fuck ups. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Stepmother works in a rehabilitation centre. Government have today discharged two covid+ patients. All been made to sign NDA's Absolute scumbags this government. " Suppose the right and honest thing to do is report your step mother for breaking her NDA to her employer so they can seek the right legal route to take oh and you seem to have swapped the words step mother for goverment......bloody auto correct . | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Stepmother works in a rehabilitation centre. Government have today discharged two covid+ patients. All been made to sign NDA's Absolute scumbags this government. Suppose the right and honest thing to do is report your step mother for breaking her NDA to her employer so they can seek the right legal route to take oh and you seem to have swapped the words step mother for goverment......bloody auto correct ."
E | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Stepmother works in a rehabilitation centre. Government have today discharged two covid+ patients. All been made to sign NDA's Absolute scumbags this government. I worked as a frontline and ward nurse for more than 30 years, never been "made" or even asked to sign an NDA. There is a confidentiality clause in my contract, as with all NHS staff. Any decision to release patients is made by the hospital, not by the Government. E Everyone is accountable to someone, including the NHS Of course they are. The gmnt run the NHs. " Government, any government, past or present don't run the NHS. Government fund the NHS via the tax they collect from us. But they don't and never have, run it. E | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I'm in the NHS, have a FB who's a teacher and a very good friend who's a senior at a kids home. Trust me on this, we're all doing things we don't wanna do and don't even make sense at the moment. At the same time we're trying to anticipate the next likely changes to government advice and actually stay alive. I perfectly understand people being critical and sceptical about how things are being handled but we're all just doing what we're told
Can I ask who makes those decisions at the very top?
Simon Stevens
Chief Executive. Simon Stevens is Chief Executive Officer of the NHS, accountable to Parliament for over £120 billion of annual Health Service funding. Simon joined the NHS through its Graduate Training Scheme in 1988.
Although he is ultimately accountable, the decisions made at the level proposed by the OP are medical decisions and I should imagine that each case is individual and based on a number of certain factors the overseeing Consultant or Registrar follows...
Interesting, as when I was in a role that reported on such things for the Chief Exec of an NHS Trust, it wasn't Simon Stevens who they had to speak to when certain targets were missed, it was the Secretary of State for Health. I can assure you they were never pleasant phone calls for the Chief Exec, or anyone else that had the misfortune to be in a meeting with them over the next week.
To say that the government does not directly have a say in what is happening in hospitals, especially at the moment, is naive at best. No they will not decide if Mrs. Smith goes home today but they will have given very clear instructions of what they expect to happen with patients like Mrs Smith.
Clinicians like to think that they still have the ultimate say in hospitals but unfortunately a registrar reports to a consultant, who is managed by a Clinical Director, who is managed by a General Manager...
While the registrar/nurse/consultant will get their instruction from a clinician, i.e. the Clinical Director, they could have been given their orders by a non clinician.
This is never done on a case by case basis because that would impinge on a consultant's professional judgement, but there are ways and means."Gmnt basher. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Stepmother works in a rehabilitation centre. Government have today discharged two covid+ patients. All been made to sign NDA's Absolute scumbags this government. I worked as a frontline and ward nurse for more than 30 years, never been "made" or even asked to sign an NDA. There is a confidentiality clause in my contract, as with all NHS staff. Any decision to release patients is made by the hospital, not by the Government. E Everyone is accountable to someone, including the NHS Of course they are. The gmnt run the NHs. Government, any government, past or present don't run the NHS. Government fund the NHS via the tax they collect from us. But they don't and never have, run it. E " Who decides how many nurses we have? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I'm in the NHS, have a FB who's a teacher and a very good friend who's a senior at a kids home. Trust me on this, we're all doing things we don't wanna do and don't even make sense at the moment. At the same time we're trying to anticipate the next likely changes to government advice and actually stay alive. I perfectly understand people being critical and sceptical about how things are being handled but we're all just doing what we're told
Can I ask who makes those decisions at the very top?
Simon Stevens
Chief Executive. Simon Stevens is Chief Executive Officer of the NHS, accountable to Parliament for over £120 billion of annual Health Service funding. Simon joined the NHS through its Graduate Training Scheme in 1988.
Although he is ultimately accountable, the decisions made at the level proposed by the OP are medical decisions and I should imagine that each case is individual and based on a number of certain factors the overseeing Consultant or Registrar follows...
Interesting, as when I was in a role that reported on such things for the Chief Exec of an NHS Trust, it wasn't Simon Stevens who they had to speak to when certain targets were missed, it was the Secretary of State for Health. I can assure you they were never pleasant phone calls for the Chief Exec, or anyone else that had the misfortune to be in a meeting with them over the next week.
To say that the government does not directly have a say in what is happening in hospitals, especially at the moment, is naive at best. No they will not decide if Mrs. Smith goes home today but they will have given very clear instructions of what they expect to happen with patients like Mrs Smith.
Clinicians like to think that they still have the ultimate say in hospitals but unfortunately a registrar reports to a consultant, who is managed by a Clinical Director, who is managed by a General Manager...
While the registrar/nurse/consultant will get their instruction from a clinician, i.e. the Clinical Director, they could have been given their orders by a non clinician.
This is never done on a case by case basis because that would impinge on a consultant's professional judgement, but there are ways and means.
Gmnt basher."Reality has a government bashing bias. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I'm in the NHS, have a FB who's a teacher and a very good friend who's a senior at a kids home. Trust me on this, we're all doing things we don't wanna do and don't even make sense at the moment. At the same time we're trying to anticipate the next likely changes to government advice and actually stay alive. I perfectly understand people being critical and sceptical about how things are being handled but we're all just doing what we're told
Can I ask who makes those decisions at the very top?
Simon Stevens
Chief Executive. Simon Stevens is Chief Executive Officer of the NHS, accountable to Parliament for over £120 billion of annual Health Service funding. Simon joined the NHS through its Graduate Training Scheme in 1988.
Although he is ultimately accountable, the decisions made at the level proposed by the OP are medical decisions and I should imagine that each case is individual and based on a number of certain factors the overseeing Consultant or Registrar follows...
Interesting, as when I was in a role that reported on such things for the Chief Exec of an NHS Trust, it wasn't Simon Stevens who they had to speak to when certain targets were missed, it was the Secretary of State for Health. I can assure you they were never pleasant phone calls for the Chief Exec, or anyone else that had the misfortune to be in a meeting with them over the next week.
To say that the government does not directly have a say in what is happening in hospitals, especially at the moment, is naive at best. No they will not decide if Mrs. Smith goes home today but they will have given very clear instructions of what they expect to happen with patients like Mrs Smith.
Clinicians like to think that they still have the ultimate say in hospitals but unfortunately a registrar reports to a consultant, who is managed by a Clinical Director, who is managed by a General Manager...
While the registrar/nurse/consultant will get their instruction from a clinician, i.e. the Clinical Director, they could have been given their orders by a non clinician.
This is never done on a case by case basis because that would impinge on a consultant's professional judgement, but there are ways and means.
Gmnt basher.
Reality has a government bashing bias." | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Funnily enough in the nhs they don’t do signing non disclosures. They have confidentially agreements that all staff sign upon starting a new post, but patients would never be told to sign anything other than a discharge letter " | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Stepmother works in a rehabilitation centre. Government have today discharged two covid+ patients. All been made to sign NDA's Absolute scumbags this government. I worked as a frontline and ward nurse for more than 30 years, never been "made" or even asked to sign an NDA. There is a confidentiality clause in my contract, as with all NHS staff. Any decision to release patients is made by the hospital, not by the Government. E Everyone is accountable to someone, including the NHS Of course they are. The gmnt run the NHs. Government, any government, past or present don't run the NHS. Government fund the NHS via the tax they collect from us. But they don't and never have, run it. E Who decides how many nurses we have?" The NHS informs government of its staffing requirements, the government makes the funds available to the NHS. When government says "we're recruiting x number of nurses", it sounds like the government are recruiting and employing them. They're doing neither. E | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| Post new Message to Thread |
| back to top |  |
